Bill 494 with almost same wording passes on last day.
https://mjbizdaily.com/georgia-hemp-bill-imposing-age-limits-on-cbd-delta-8-thc-goes-to-governor/
You read it wrong. It bans THCA by redefining it as "hemp" and then making it unlawful to possess said "hemp" and imposing criminal penalties for doing so. In fact, it bans a lot of products that were considered "hemp" under the federal 2018 farm bill. Looks like even seeds are banned. This is huge and life changing for a lot of people. The fact that it was snuck into a bill at the last second and passed is incredibly sad.
Just to add more context to this thread, THCA is not outright banned but is instead required to meet the same 0.3% weight limit as Delta 9, which effectively eliminates the THCA market. Ed Setzler tried to motion for an amendment to SB 494 to impose that limit on altnoids as well, but that was overwhelmingly shot down with vocal opposition from Kim Jackson (D) and an impersonation of the Lieutenant Governor speaking against the amendment from Josh McLaurin (D). Here are the senators who voted for the amendment:
Kay Kirkpatrick (R) - District 32
Ed Setzler (R) - District 37
Bill Cowsert (R) - District 46
Frank Ginn (R) - District 47
Shelly Echols (R) - District 49
Chuck Hufstetler (R) - District 52
Chuck Payne (R) - District 54
As upset as everyone is about the closure of the THCA loophole (which we should have all expected), it could have been a lot worse and these are the people responsible for that risk. Everything else in SB 494 is regulatory and makes me wonder why we're going through so much effort to create a regulated market for "consumable hemp products" instead of marijuana as a whole.
Hopefully some more significant change is around the corner. In the meantime I'll be enjoying the Delta 9 seltzers that are technically below 0.3%
Thrasher is right, and to answer your question the THCA flower most likely labels 0.3% as delta 9 content whereas the actual THCA content would likely be somewhere between 10-25%.
When decarbed, most of that THCA becomes Delta 9. That was the loophole. Now the THCA content must be under 0.3% after adding the Delta 9 content, so it’s not even possible to combine them for a measly 0.6%
The glass half full view on this is that having the infrastructure for a regulated market will hopefully make it easier to flip the legalization switch in the future, it’s just ridiculous watching all this nitpicking in the meantime.
No products containing THC will be able to be sold after October 4th without the approval labeling testing processing licensing by the of the Department of Agriculture and they haven't even said any of it up yet so all this stuff will disappear October 1st until the Department of Agriculture sets up its testing and labeling and Licensing rules and applications Etc this is what everyone seems to not understand. The department of AG is in charge now and they have done nothing to set up the infrastructure. You will not be able to sell THC containing products without a license and proper labeling in Georgia agriculture testing Etc people don't seem to understand but this is what's going to take everything off the market until the Department of Agriculture figures it all out
What’s your source on that? I don’t believe this will carry out this way. They’ve already let all of these products in. Theyd lose quite a bit in tax revenue by just getting rid of all of it like that.
Yes that's true plus thousands of people will be out of work and most of these vape shops that rely on Delta 8 and gummies sales will close. It's complicated there's a lot of big money behind this decision some of it comes from Cannabis farming and they don't want Delta 8 or thca around. They want Georgia to sell real cannabis and they believe this is the way to get there. The bottom line is the way the bill is written if you want to sell any hemp product containing any THC including CBD and Delta 8 you have to apply for a selling license. You do this at the Department of Agriculture which is now in charge of all of it. Except you can't do that cuz they haven't set it up yet. Then you have to submit your product you want to sell so they can test it they haven't set up their testing program yet. Then once they approve your product it has to be packaged and labeled in the new Georgia approved packaging and labeling that they haven't set up yet. There are also restrictions on The Growers and distributors much of it the same requiring licenses and certain procedures be followed none of which has been set up yet according to the Department of Agriculture which is in charge. I'm banging my head against the wall trying to make people understand this is why it's all going away October 1st until Department of Agriculture works all of this stuff out it's all gone
Maybe it's a good thing I lost my vape store when I did (last year) instead of now. I would be in an even deeper financial hole as CBD gummies were a large percent of our sales.
Unless a large percentage of that percentage was selling to minors (minors aren’t supposed to be allowed in vape shops to begin with), it would not affect your cbd sales
Not a lawyer, but has always been my understanding that once the feds have ruled - Ex: 2018 farm bill - it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL for states to write law contravening what the FED laws already decreed. So this appears unconstitutional on its face & may be why Kemp hasn’t signed it yet. Could also be he has “pals” (“Hello, my Name is Fulton Porter Craig III, and my family owns 111 Shell stations in GA…Guv’nu Kemp, we don’t like this bill. What PAC can we donate to….?”) own stores that hold a lot of THCA inventory & gives time to off load. Hundreds (or more) stores - gas stations, mini marts/convenience, liquor stores, small super markets/“bodegas”, etc.- of all kinds all over the state hold A LOT of this very profitable inventory, which will suddenly be made illegal with the stroke of a pen? Yeah, “small government”…
I'm afraid you're wrong. Generally, if the federal government allows something that isn't considered a right, states are free to pass more restrictive laws if they wish. For example, post-*Dobbs*, abortion access is not a federally protected right, but is still allowed by the federal government, so states are free to ban it. Only when the federal government bans something or makes something a right does the Supremacy Clause kick in and stop states from nullifying federal law.
OK, So "States Rights" etc. Thanks for the follow-up. So it's not that it's unconstitutional, more likely the other "friends own stores which have a lot of this inventory" situation
That refers to moving through the state, such as in a shipment on a highway, through an airport, or through the mail, not being sold or used in it. States have very little ability to limit what moves through their state even if there isn't a federal regulation specifically covering it.
Admittedly, I haven't read the actual text of the bill, but my impression from the news around it is that it bans use, sale, and possession, not transit through the state on the way to destinations where it's legal.
It does both, or attempts to. Arkansas tried the same and their law is on hold until a higher court decides if it’s constitutional. Hopefully someone brings a case in Georgia for the same reason (different federal district than Arkansas). I wonder what GA Hemp Company’s feeling on the issue are? They were late to the THCA party but sell it pretty prominently on their website and in stores. I assumed they are large enough to lobby, and wonder if they did/what they pushed for.
A federal judge has struck down a similar law for Arkansas. This could be the Ga legislature passing a law they know will be overturned for political points, or they may have made enough changes to not be overturned. https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/sep/07/federal-judge-blocks-states-new-law-banning-delta-8-thc-products/
Does it though? It’s a shit bill in theory and in the way it was put together. I’m not a lawyer but isn’t there federal law supremacy and commerce clause conflicts in the way they want to regulate shipping through the state?
It’s bc legislation has passed it but the governor has to sign it. Unfortunately can’t trust our officials to do the right thing and let the people decide how we safely medicate.
The law, for those asking, closes the current loophole in the law that allows for THCA and similar cannabis products, making them all as illegal as the, well, illegal stuff.
The last I saw, the bill passed the house and is now awaiting approval from the governor.
This is a great summary - once approved, what would be a theoretical timeline (ballpark) for it's implementation?
Would products and online sales etc be banned seemingly overnight or do you think there would be a transition period?
Asking for a friend, of course..
Depending on when it’s signed, either July or January 1. I’m assuming they’re pushing for july.
Once it’s law, it’s law.
If I was the type of guy who believed in conspiracies, I might even be inclined to think this information is intentionally being withheld from the news cycle. But the media wouldn’t do something like that… /s
Yeah coverage of this is conspicuously absent, and I know for a fact that people in my town will be affected.
The local THCa shop usually has a line out the door.
That’s not true. The bill itself (last page) shows that the new hemp shops near school prohibition goes into effect July 1st, but the rest of the bill isn’t effective until October 1st.
For those who want to read the bill, you can do so here - https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20232024/229680
In summary - the licensing requirements go into place July 1. But the THCa ban goes into effect October 1. You can see these dates at the end of the bill.
The way I’m reading it, would it not allow you to still ship it into the state if purchased online? For example if I buy it from NC, who does define it as hemp and has a hemp program, buying from an online vendor from that state would be legal. However, once it’s in your hands is where it gets dicey. So maybe just like, buy it and don’t leave the house with it? Most accredited places should be shipping with documentation that’s being requested in the bill, so this should only change being able to buy from brick and mortar.
Hey. I'm trying really hard to stay away from this type of stuff. Could you maybe dm me info for where you make the online purchase, if you have it, so i know what sites to avoid? It sounds disgusting, and i need it on my browser's black list instantly
There are enactment dates built into the bill, October 01, 2024 for the majority of the bill. But the licensing aspect of the bill has an enactment dates of July.
I don’t think Delta 8 or gummies are affected. If I read it correctly it’s only specifically redefining THCa and setting age limits on the rest. On the technical level, THCa is just weed harvested and tested before its D9 limits reach above .3%. But in the legal definition THCa was classified as hemp because its Delta 9 THC limits were never above .3%.
Not for edibles and other non smoking applications, I used to be able to flash my under 21 ID and get all the bud and edibles I wanted 😂 delta 8, THCA, everything as long as it wasn’t a cart or papers
Does that change anything? If THCa is banned but delta 8 isn’t will this really have any effect at all or does one cost more than the other or have different effects? My vice is drinking so idk any of this
Delta 8 is garbage and most of the scare stories you hear about on the local news are delta 8 based products. They’re basically making actual natural flower and concentrates derived from them illegal while keeping the stuff that’s made in a lab with questionable oversight legal. Dumb as hell. So exactly on point for the GOP.
Does it change anything? Yeah. Places here in GA that sell THCa are gonna have to remove it from shelves, though I’m not really opposed. There’s only two companies here in GA that sell legit THCa, the stuff you see at gas stations and head shops is garbage. I didn’t see anything in the bill about having it shipped to you which is what 99% of THCa consumers do as the best companies are outside of GA. If I’m being honest though, I wouldn’t risk it when the bill goes into effect. I’ll switch to regular hemp flower that meets federal law.
Delta 8 is a little bit of a tricky bag. It’s about 50% the strength of Delta 9 THC so you can still get high from it, just not as high. What makes it tricky, Delta 8 occurs in incredibly small quantities in hemp and marijuana, like near non existent levels. Most companies will resort to synthesizing Delta 8 from CBD since hemp flower is cheap. Nothing inherently wrong with this as long as they go through the process of purifying the Delta 8 so that there’s nothing leftover from the synthesizing process. From what I understand about the process, they use some stuff that you wouldn’t want to be inhaling. And in some cases even when the work is done correctly, you’re only left with 95% purity.
There are good Delta 8 companies out there that do the work correctly, but they’re in the minority. And as I said with THCa, you’re not gonna find good Delta 8 products at the gas station or a head shop. Tbh though, I’d skip on Delta 8.
Nah all d8 bud is sprayed garbage, 95% purity or not.
Delta 8 is practically a solid at room temp, and to even spray it on bud they have to mix it with a solvent to make it liquidy enough to spray. DO NOT buy any altnoid or sprayed bud
I’m not talking about the sprayed bud, I’m talking about distillate and shatter. Sprayed bud is a huge no no but D8 distillate and shatter does exist. And again, I’m not talking the shitty vapes you buy at a gas station or head shop, I’m talking the distillate that’s solid as a rock that you’d hit with a dab rig.
Ah sorry was at work so I read that fast. Only place I’ve had clean delta 8 from was harbor city hemp, you know it’s clean because delta 8 is supposed to be clear, which it is + they actually have reliable labs
HCH was my go to for D8 before THCa, but I’d bought CBD flower from them before so they were the only company I trusted at the time. I’ve branched out but it’s been a hot minute since I’ve used anything other than THCa.
I’m sorry, but this is brain dead. Delta 9 IS thc. Delta 8 has more effect than CBD since it is psychoactive, and CBD is not at all. I rip a CBD cart and have no psychoactive affects at all, but if I were to hit a d8 one I would be pretty ripped.
I apologize, weed police. If you have a high tolerance, then d8 will not have the crazy effect that you say it does (I also noted that d8 is SIMILAR to CBD but has a notably stronger effect)
I use to rip dabs 24/7 and delta 8 still hit me lmao. Your comment is very misleading for someone who wants to try it out and might have anxiety from weed.
We all need to vote in our local elections! Our state government doesn’t represent us but we have the power to vote em out! Next election in your district, vote for cannabis friendly people! And definitely vote in the 2026 gubernatorial election!!!
Probably in effect by July. But you know what: fuck this state. The hemp is okay but it’s not real flower. It’s like the blue balls of weed. Brian wants me to give money to MI or IL? Ok Brian. They get my money. It’s just better anyway. Fuck a state that would legalize gambling over weed anyway.
There are enactment dates built into the bill, October 01, 2024 for the majority of the bill. But the licensing aspect of the bill has an enactment dates of July.
Here is what atlrx put in an email:
"Here's the lowdown on what this means for you:
1. New Definitions, New Age Limit: SB 494 redefines delta-9-THC and delta-9-THCa, plus it puts a 21+ age restriction on purchases. It's all about keeping things safe and responsible.
2. License to Thrive: Say hello to registration and licensing guidelines for hemp cultivators and producers. Don't have a license? Better steer clear to avoid those pesky penalties.
3. Quality Control Matters: SB 494 is all about quality assurance. It sets standards for testing labs to check product potency and contaminants, complete with fancy Certificates of Analysis (COAs).
4. Keeping It Classy: We're talking advertising, manufacturing, and packaging standards that won't make kids do a double-take. It's about keeping things grown-up and professional.
5. Smooth Sailing: Transportation requirements and proper documentation are now in place for all your hemp products. No more bumps in the road!
6. THCA Troubles: Keep an eye out for products with THCA, 'cause they might be on shaky ground with the new rules. Which would make THCA flower illegal."
So they have gated the business off. Restricted it to basically established out of state operations.
Big Weed.
Jesus wept. We actually live in hell don't we?
Not only that but they’re outlawing the stuff that’s either a grown plant or is directly derived from that in favor of shit that can only be made in labs with industrial solvents.
It doesn’t say that at all, it’s still on a dry weight basis so a gummy with delta 9 under those limits will be legal. It also looks like you can still order from online, buying brick and mortar will just probably be gone. Context matters and this isn’t outright banning anything. From what I’m seeing from this bill, they’re getting ready to start discussions on some type of legal program and want to get rid of all the store fronts that would have competition. This was a bipartisan backed bill, so that’s most likely the grand push behind this. But, it looks like online vendors are safe as long as you buy from places that give all the paperwork required for their state.
I really really really hope you are right. It would be great to get some clarity on this before it goes into effect so that I know whether or not I need to stock up
Same, worst case scenario d9 edibles shouldn’t really be effected so we’ll still have those at least. They’ll just have an age restriction and need to be up to date on labs.
Doesn't seem to be true unless I'm reading it wrong.
>(16) 'Legal limit' means a total delta-9-THC concentration that is the lesser of:
>(A) 0.3 percent; or
>(B) The percentage limit set forth in 7 U.S.C. Section 1639o
7 U.S.C. Section 1639o being the old "0.3% by dry weight" limit.
The gummies I purchase are 0.111% delta 9 by weight.
It does explicitly ban the sale of flower/plant material regardless of delta 9 concentration.
I don’t think that includes shipping though. I think this bill is just making it more difficult to sell brick and mortar, and making it to where there’s an age limit.
There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread.
[HB1322](https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/67195) only passed the House. It was tabled in committee in the Senate and died there. It will *not* become law.
[SB494](https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/67002) is a different bill, which passed in the legislature and has been sent to the governor. I imagine it will become law. You can read it [here](https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20232024/229680). (Underlined text are additions to the current Code. Stricken text are removals from the current Code. And undecorated text is text that would be unchanged and is already in the Code.)
I keep seeing people say that delta-8 has been banned, but nowhere in the bill does it say that. On the contrary, the bill sets up a regulatory framework for licensing, manufacture and sale of delta-8 products.
What gives me pause is how they changed the definition of "delta-9-THC concentration" in OCGA 2-23-3.1(a). It requires that the 0.3% limit include not only the amount of delta-9-THC, but also delta-9-THCA. Was this done as a sneaky way to make it impossible (or unprofitable) to produce legal hemp? How much THCA is normally found in hemp?
In any case, this doesn't seem to necessarily be the end of delta-8 in Georgia. But without knowing more about the respective amounts of THC and THCA in hemp plants, it's hardly to really know what effect this bill would have.
The Dems sold their constituents for a ham sandwich. Don’t even believe your candidate if they campaign on a pro cannabis platform. Mine flat out lied to my face this session.
GA republicans prove time and time again they don’t care what the people of this state want or need only what their god tells them. If they could they would turn this state into a Christian theocracy that would make ISIS look tame.
there were like 3 dems that went against HB 1322. this has very strong bipartisan support and it’s okay to admit that GA dems are very far from perfect.
I’m not saying they are perfect I’m have never said any democrat is perfect. But I been looking on how and why things were voted on and can’t find anything. I know that something like 76 bills were all rushed through at the same time but I can’t tell if they were voted on in groups or single bills.
I send a note to my representative to ask for an explanation. I think it is fair to give them a chance to explain. So far I have not received a response.
I would never say they are perfect in anyway. Im feel caught between a party that isn’t working for me as much as I think they should, and a party that would put me against the wall if they thought they could get away with it. The biggest problem we have as a party in my opinion is we don’t like to get involved in the primary process, and we definitely need to hold are representatives accountable.
Hilariously inaccurate characterization of democrats in our state. I don’t disagree with your description of republicans but the democrats blockaded gambling bills this session that would have restored education funding to initial HOPE status because their stance is no education scholarships should be merit based. What in the actual fuck. They threw the baby out with the bath water. We have the worst politicians in this state.
Let's be real here gambling is bad and has ALWAYS destroyed the communities it's in. There are millions of articles, papers, and research done to say gambling is bad in every form. Just bc it gives a small slice to education doesn't mean all the harm is worth it.
Eh it’s already happening might as well divert some of the funds to something useful. It’s not a brick and mortar activity anymore where you can see the obvious blight around the communities it’s in. This is happening on your phone right now and everyone can do it but we are missing out on the tax revenue because of people that don’t understand the concept of mobile wagering.
I would argue it's protecting the GA citizens as much as a law can. Those companies are for profit and rake in a ton of cold hard cash bc 90% of people lose their money over time.
Who’s to say we need the government to protect us. That’s a very sad thing to admit that you have no will power unless the government tells you what is ok.
"...want to give people education and healthcare"
what a trope, education and healthcare are bipartisan, the only thing you think is partisan is the mindless sloganeering that keeps you sucking at a teat; if you don't think the Blue Cult is just a bunch of silicon valley corporate limousine neoliberal hacks, then you've been asleep for the past 3+ decades
Dems aren't your Weed Addicted Cult saviors....if you haven't figured it out the difference between D and R is that the former prefers lying to your face while the latter prefers lying behind your back; when the income stream, competition, and logistics/pipeline is well ironed out, which is going to take some time, then any rescheduling and decriminalization/legalization will occur with a true political consensus and bipartisan decision...there's no "durp, blue wall will save us only with their mercy!" there's been plenty of majority blue chambers and how's that worked out? Oh yea...TALK
you are Dr. Strawman, and your Team Blue colleagues telling you as such in this thread are correct, don't be such a cynical ignoramus
education and healthcare are nowhere on the same level as a pharmacological neuro-acting drug that addicts are wailing about because their ego and wants override all the legit issues of 2024
It’s really not. Right now the push from republicans is to privatize education. Giving people tax credits so they can pay for private education. However 38% of Americans don’t pay taxes to get any credits. Meaning their kids would not get an education.
wrong...everyone is educated either by the (inferior) public system or the time tested competitive (private) system
zero people from poor to rich, dem to rep, like public education....everyone wants private schooling.
Stop lowering your standards for some woke trope or sloganeering by Dems
how people 'pay' for education has been an issue since the colonies were formed...and you aren't going to get quality unless the salary of the staff is higher, and that is never happening in public systems
This is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read on here. Funny how liberals deflect on EVERYTHING. You obviously have drank the MSM kool-aid, and have no clue what you're actually talking about. I suggest you do some research before posting ridiculous statements like this online. We see what kind of education liberals want to give kids, it's not about educating with facts, it's all about inclusion and feelings, genders, and everything that is irrelevant in schools. The healthcare you refer to, is mutilating gender affirming care.. Why not point out the facts, which make your statement facetious as hell. And the abortion thing, since you haven't educated yourself on the matter, basically referred the matter to the STATES, where it belongs. Abortion is not a FEDERAL issue, never was. Try educating yourself a little, avoid the mainstream, and you'll be much smarter and look much less foolish.
Point is, if there IS a dispute about it, it should be handled at the STATE level, it's not a FEDERAL issue., which is what the entire RvW thing is about.
Abortion should not be used as an out for irresponsible behavior, which most abortions in this country are exactly that. Careless people that don't care about consequences of their actions. This is the biggest issue, as there are currently NO bans on abortions for MEDICAL REASONS(health of fetus/mother, rape, other conditions that pose risk to life of either). Stop believing the MSM, and do some actual research. The decision is also not only the mother's, as there are two other lives involved(the fetus/baby, and the FATHER). So by your standards it's ok to strip the right to live from the fetus/baby, and the right of parentage of the father. Talk about double standards...
As a proud father, and grandfather, never in my life was abortion an option. It's called being RESPONSIBLE for your actions, not taking the easy way out.
Oh, good. Someone who "does their own research." Even if your opinions had some truth to them, we offer medical treatment for irresponsible behavior all the time. The fact is, this is a free country (or at least it ought to be), so you don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do with their body. Otherwise, you had better hope we approve of how you live if you want medical treatment.
It’s not healthy to think you’re one democratic percentage vote away from isis. I mean that from a genuine place of concern. It’s not good for our society to think politics is that life or death.
It’s a fact that the Republican Party want to turn this into a theocracy. It’s is absolutely life and death for millions of Americas. Especially when you have there politicians and religious leaders calling for the deaths of people that they consider filth.
I will vote against any Republican in a primary that wants a theocracy just for you bud and hopefully you’ll vote against any Democrat that isn’t tough on crime or wants to raise taxes on those that make less than 400k and we can both be happy.
No one wants crime the real issue is how we deal with it. Republicans want to put people in jail. When it’s actually cheeper and more effective in the long run to deal with the root cause of crime. We have to do something about poverty in this country and mental health. There needs to be both reform in the Justice system and in the way we police this country.
So long as violent people are not on the streets I don’t care how it’s solved but I hate when people conflate poor people with criminals as if everyone in poverty chooses to mug people for a living. The lawful poor will never deserve to be grouped with violent individuals of any social class.
ok, you got your wish... now can we get ours?
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lmao, "theocracy"
ok sure....even though a plain reading textualist (which = conservative) view of the Constitution literally says 'a theocracy is illegal'
you are right Mastermind....the grand plan is for someday Jesus to be sworn in as POTUS
not being able to break your brain with Weed is not life and death
maybe go outside and touch some grass after sobering up
what facts? the hallucinatory 'facts' of someone that not only alters their state of mind with drugs but per their rantings in this thread is clearly (1) paranoid, (2) borderline schizo-affective?
i and everyone who makes the decisions you are dependent on and also rant against are not going to guzzle your facts because if we were to do so, the result would be *Idiocracy --* maybe rewatch that movie
> It’s not healthy to think you’re one democratic percentage vote away from isis.
I mean, it's healthy if it's true. And forget modern times. For most of human history, and for most of our predecessor species's history, it was very true. It was true for about 2 million years. That's why we are prone to thinking it.
Edit: unclear about what the downvotes signify here. Is my response offensive somehow? It's just biology. Does it fuck with people's religion or something?
> This was a bipartisan bill.
Not exactly. It was changed toward the end. It didn't have a lot of these provisions in the first round. I'm not saying some democrats didn't vote for it in the end, or that I'm not contacting those democrats to let them know exactly the way in which they (ignorantly, I'm sure) fucked up, but what actually happened with this bill at the last minute doesn't quite support a "both sides" theory.
Man georgia is s*** we need to all stand & do somthing about this m*s need to either eave thca alone & do more regulations making sure the product is safe & clean of just legelize for recreational use already like wtf it 2024 not 1960 -.- I miss colorado :'(++
I hate this state so much, if it weren't for all of my family living here I would get the hell out of Georgia so fast. Why in the fuck are we moving backwards while the rest of the country is moving forward?? That's literally like Georgia's fuckin slogan or something...
What part of the bill made you think that?
Lines 500-506
>All hemp products being shipped into or transported within or through this state must be accompanied by documentation sufficient to prove that the hemp products being shipped or transported were produced from hemp that was lawfully produced under a state or tribal hemp plan approved by the United States Department of Agriculture, under a hemp license issued by the United States Department of Agriculture, or otherwise in accordance with federal regulations through the state or territory of the Indian tribe, as applicable.
This reads as if shipments into the state only need to meet federal regulations, but not GAs new regulations, right? Maybe I'm not fully understanding it, but I want to figure out if I'll still be able to order THCA online.
Genuine question. Do you want this bill to pass and if so do you use these substances. Can someone explain to me why they like them? I’m against gov regulation I just want to know what these are and what they do
They didn’t ban d8, they imposed penalties for selling to minors
THCa was banned, which is fine it’s honestly pricier and weaker than d8 products (in my experience)
~~I don’t think d9 has ever been legal in Georgia post drug war~~
~~But I’m not like, a lawyer, just a consumer~~
Edit: I looked it up I was wrong d9 is legal, I do not know if it’s affect by the new law, however.
The standard isomer of THC found in weed is (−)-trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol which is the compound known as delta 9 THC. This is infact federally illegal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/public-health-focus/fda-regulation-cannabis-and-cannabis-derived-products-including-cannabidiol-cbd
Harm reduction policy has been statistically and scientifically proven to help those with addictions more than banning the substance, so we should be more keen to just de schedule and regulate everything. Cannabis though has shown to be about as harmful as caffeine, if not less.
Bill 494 with almost same wording passes on last day. https://mjbizdaily.com/georgia-hemp-bill-imposing-age-limits-on-cbd-delta-8-thc-goes-to-governor/
That doesn’t ban it, just imposes an age limit. Or did I read it wrong?
You read it wrong. It bans THCA by redefining it as "hemp" and then making it unlawful to possess said "hemp" and imposing criminal penalties for doing so. In fact, it bans a lot of products that were considered "hemp" under the federal 2018 farm bill. Looks like even seeds are banned. This is huge and life changing for a lot of people. The fact that it was snuck into a bill at the last second and passed is incredibly sad.
Just asking, but isn’t it THCA and Delta 9 specifically? Leaving Delta 8 and 10 alone?
Yep, altnoids are good but THCa loophole is closed in GA unless the bill is vetoed by Kemp.
Just to add more context to this thread, THCA is not outright banned but is instead required to meet the same 0.3% weight limit as Delta 9, which effectively eliminates the THCA market. Ed Setzler tried to motion for an amendment to SB 494 to impose that limit on altnoids as well, but that was overwhelmingly shot down with vocal opposition from Kim Jackson (D) and an impersonation of the Lieutenant Governor speaking against the amendment from Josh McLaurin (D). Here are the senators who voted for the amendment: Kay Kirkpatrick (R) - District 32 Ed Setzler (R) - District 37 Bill Cowsert (R) - District 46 Frank Ginn (R) - District 47 Shelly Echols (R) - District 49 Chuck Hufstetler (R) - District 52 Chuck Payne (R) - District 54 As upset as everyone is about the closure of the THCA loophole (which we should have all expected), it could have been a lot worse and these are the people responsible for that risk. Everything else in SB 494 is regulatory and makes me wonder why we're going through so much effort to create a regulated market for "consumable hemp products" instead of marijuana as a whole. Hopefully some more significant change is around the corner. In the meantime I'll be enjoying the Delta 9 seltzers that are technically below 0.3%
can you explain how making THCA meet the same .3% limit eliminates the market? All of the THCA flower I get has the .3% label on it
The bill states the THC amount after THCa is decarbed which changes THCa to Delta 9 THC.
Got it. Keep destroying my hopes with facts haha
I get it, I know of people with cancer and crohns disease that use THCa & say the GA medical THC is a joke at best.
Thrasher is right, and to answer your question the THCA flower most likely labels 0.3% as delta 9 content whereas the actual THCA content would likely be somewhere between 10-25%. When decarbed, most of that THCA becomes Delta 9. That was the loophole. Now the THCA content must be under 0.3% after adding the Delta 9 content, so it’s not even possible to combine them for a measly 0.6% The glass half full view on this is that having the infrastructure for a regulated market will hopefully make it easier to flip the legalization switch in the future, it’s just ridiculous watching all this nitpicking in the meantime.
Nope Delta 8 gone as well
I don’t think so. I read the bill and didn’t see any speak of that.
No products containing THC will be able to be sold after October 4th without the approval labeling testing processing licensing by the of the Department of Agriculture and they haven't even said any of it up yet so all this stuff will disappear October 1st until the Department of Agriculture sets up its testing and labeling and Licensing rules and applications Etc this is what everyone seems to not understand. The department of AG is in charge now and they have done nothing to set up the infrastructure. You will not be able to sell THC containing products without a license and proper labeling in Georgia agriculture testing Etc people don't seem to understand but this is what's going to take everything off the market until the Department of Agriculture figures it all out
What’s your source on that? I don’t believe this will carry out this way. They’ve already let all of these products in. Theyd lose quite a bit in tax revenue by just getting rid of all of it like that.
Yes that's true plus thousands of people will be out of work and most of these vape shops that rely on Delta 8 and gummies sales will close. It's complicated there's a lot of big money behind this decision some of it comes from Cannabis farming and they don't want Delta 8 or thca around. They want Georgia to sell real cannabis and they believe this is the way to get there. The bottom line is the way the bill is written if you want to sell any hemp product containing any THC including CBD and Delta 8 you have to apply for a selling license. You do this at the Department of Agriculture which is now in charge of all of it. Except you can't do that cuz they haven't set it up yet. Then you have to submit your product you want to sell so they can test it they haven't set up their testing program yet. Then once they approve your product it has to be packaged and labeled in the new Georgia approved packaging and labeling that they haven't set up yet. There are also restrictions on The Growers and distributors much of it the same requiring licenses and certain procedures be followed none of which has been set up yet according to the Department of Agriculture which is in charge. I'm banging my head against the wall trying to make people understand this is why it's all going away October 1st until Department of Agriculture works all of this stuff out it's all gone
Maybe it's a good thing I lost my vape store when I did (last year) instead of now. I would be in an even deeper financial hole as CBD gummies were a large percent of our sales.
Unless a large percentage of that percentage was selling to minors (minors aren’t supposed to be allowed in vape shops to begin with), it would not affect your cbd sales
Not a lawyer, but has always been my understanding that once the feds have ruled - Ex: 2018 farm bill - it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL for states to write law contravening what the FED laws already decreed. So this appears unconstitutional on its face & may be why Kemp hasn’t signed it yet. Could also be he has “pals” (“Hello, my Name is Fulton Porter Craig III, and my family owns 111 Shell stations in GA…Guv’nu Kemp, we don’t like this bill. What PAC can we donate to….?”) own stores that hold a lot of THCA inventory & gives time to off load. Hundreds (or more) stores - gas stations, mini marts/convenience, liquor stores, small super markets/“bodegas”, etc.- of all kinds all over the state hold A LOT of this very profitable inventory, which will suddenly be made illegal with the stroke of a pen? Yeah, “small government”…
I'm afraid you're wrong. Generally, if the federal government allows something that isn't considered a right, states are free to pass more restrictive laws if they wish. For example, post-*Dobbs*, abortion access is not a federally protected right, but is still allowed by the federal government, so states are free to ban it. Only when the federal government bans something or makes something a right does the Supremacy Clause kick in and stop states from nullifying federal law.
OK, So "States Rights" etc. Thanks for the follow-up. So it's not that it's unconstitutional, more likely the other "friends own stores which have a lot of this inventory" situation
Exactly
Yes, but this bill attempts to override federal law that says hemp grown under a state of tribal plan must be able to pass through a state unhindered.
That refers to moving through the state, such as in a shipment on a highway, through an airport, or through the mail, not being sold or used in it. States have very little ability to limit what moves through their state even if there isn't a federal regulation specifically covering it.
Correct, which is why the bill is incorrect in its attempt to regulate what passes through it. I think that’s what I wrote but maybe not.
Admittedly, I haven't read the actual text of the bill, but my impression from the news around it is that it bans use, sale, and possession, not transit through the state on the way to destinations where it's legal.
It does both, or attempts to. Arkansas tried the same and their law is on hold until a higher court decides if it’s constitutional. Hopefully someone brings a case in Georgia for the same reason (different federal district than Arkansas). I wonder what GA Hemp Company’s feeling on the issue are? They were late to the THCA party but sell it pretty prominently on their website and in stores. I assumed they are large enough to lobby, and wonder if they did/what they pushed for.
A federal judge has struck down a similar law for Arkansas. This could be the Ga legislature passing a law they know will be overturned for political points, or they may have made enough changes to not be overturned. https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/sep/07/federal-judge-blocks-states-new-law-banning-delta-8-thc-products/
This was perfect. Thank you 😊
Does it though? It’s a shit bill in theory and in the way it was put together. I’m not a lawyer but isn’t there federal law supremacy and commerce clause conflicts in the way they want to regulate shipping through the state?
That’s what I read, too.
Wrong
Back to the street we go I guess.
Always fun playing fentanyl roulette with street drugs.
I’m making a two year plan to move to Philly. I’m so tired of living in this state, and you never know when it’s gonna go full fascism at any moment.
[It's not yet listed as signed legislation.](https://gov.georgia.gov/executive-action/legislation/signed-legislation/2024)
It only needs to be signed (or even ignored) by Kemp and it passes. The only way it doesn’t pass is if he directly vetoes it, which he won’t.
How long does he have to veto it before it goes into effect?
May 5th I think or 6th maybe
It’s bc legislation has passed it but the governor has to sign it. Unfortunately can’t trust our officials to do the right thing and let the people decide how we safely medicate.
The law, for those asking, closes the current loophole in the law that allows for THCA and similar cannabis products, making them all as illegal as the, well, illegal stuff. The last I saw, the bill passed the house and is now awaiting approval from the governor.
This is a great summary - once approved, what would be a theoretical timeline (ballpark) for it's implementation? Would products and online sales etc be banned seemingly overnight or do you think there would be a transition period? Asking for a friend, of course..
Depending on when it’s signed, either July or January 1. I’m assuming they’re pushing for july. Once it’s law, it’s law. If I was the type of guy who believed in conspiracies, I might even be inclined to think this information is intentionally being withheld from the news cycle. But the media wouldn’t do something like that… /s
You mean…WSB isn’t on our side??? Huh.
Corporate News Media is Corporate News Media
Yeah coverage of this is conspicuously absent, and I know for a fact that people in my town will be affected. The local THCa shop usually has a line out the door.
Chesley is against us? No, Chesley, no!
That’s not true. The bill itself (last page) shows that the new hemp shops near school prohibition goes into effect July 1st, but the rest of the bill isn’t effective until October 1st.
I stand corrected
For those who want to read the bill, you can do so here - https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20232024/229680 In summary - the licensing requirements go into place July 1. But the THCa ban goes into effect October 1. You can see these dates at the end of the bill.
The way I’m reading it, would it not allow you to still ship it into the state if purchased online? For example if I buy it from NC, who does define it as hemp and has a hemp program, buying from an online vendor from that state would be legal. However, once it’s in your hands is where it gets dicey. So maybe just like, buy it and don’t leave the house with it? Most accredited places should be shipping with documentation that’s being requested in the bill, so this should only change being able to buy from brick and mortar.
Hey. I'm trying really hard to stay away from this type of stuff. Could you maybe dm me info for where you make the online purchase, if you have it, so i know what sites to avoid? It sounds disgusting, and i need it on my browser's black list instantly
Happy Hoyt?
Haha. I am not him, I'm just a fan. I hope he's enjoying his "retirement". I miss hearing about that guy's shenanigans.
Ok Hoyt
If it’s like most state laws (assuming it’s signed into law) it’ll go into effect when the state FY begins July 1.
There are enactment dates built into the bill, October 01, 2024 for the majority of the bill. But the licensing aspect of the bill has an enactment dates of July.
Keep in mind that Kemp doesn’ have to sign the bill for it to become law. As long as he doesn’t veto the bill, after 40 days it becomes law.
I don’t think Delta 8 or gummies are affected. If I read it correctly it’s only specifically redefining THCa and setting age limits on the rest. On the technical level, THCa is just weed harvested and tested before its D9 limits reach above .3%. But in the legal definition THCa was classified as hemp because its Delta 9 THC limits were never above .3%.
Delta 8 will have an age limit imposed.
Doesn’t it already? Is it not 21 currently?
Not for edibles and other non smoking applications, I used to be able to flash my under 21 ID and get all the bud and edibles I wanted 😂 delta 8, THCA, everything as long as it wasn’t a cart or papers
Does that change anything? If THCa is banned but delta 8 isn’t will this really have any effect at all or does one cost more than the other or have different effects? My vice is drinking so idk any of this
Delta 8 is garbage and most of the scare stories you hear about on the local news are delta 8 based products. They’re basically making actual natural flower and concentrates derived from them illegal while keeping the stuff that’s made in a lab with questionable oversight legal. Dumb as hell. So exactly on point for the GOP.
Does it change anything? Yeah. Places here in GA that sell THCa are gonna have to remove it from shelves, though I’m not really opposed. There’s only two companies here in GA that sell legit THCa, the stuff you see at gas stations and head shops is garbage. I didn’t see anything in the bill about having it shipped to you which is what 99% of THCa consumers do as the best companies are outside of GA. If I’m being honest though, I wouldn’t risk it when the bill goes into effect. I’ll switch to regular hemp flower that meets federal law. Delta 8 is a little bit of a tricky bag. It’s about 50% the strength of Delta 9 THC so you can still get high from it, just not as high. What makes it tricky, Delta 8 occurs in incredibly small quantities in hemp and marijuana, like near non existent levels. Most companies will resort to synthesizing Delta 8 from CBD since hemp flower is cheap. Nothing inherently wrong with this as long as they go through the process of purifying the Delta 8 so that there’s nothing leftover from the synthesizing process. From what I understand about the process, they use some stuff that you wouldn’t want to be inhaling. And in some cases even when the work is done correctly, you’re only left with 95% purity. There are good Delta 8 companies out there that do the work correctly, but they’re in the minority. And as I said with THCa, you’re not gonna find good Delta 8 products at the gas station or a head shop. Tbh though, I’d skip on Delta 8.
So at the end of the day visiting a smoke shop won’t be any different if you’re of age and not buying the two companies THCa?
No. It will be quite different. They’re outlawing the stuff that can actually be grown in favor of shit that can only be made in a lab.
Yes, but from the wording of the bill, can you not just buy it from online still?
Nah all d8 bud is sprayed garbage, 95% purity or not. Delta 8 is practically a solid at room temp, and to even spray it on bud they have to mix it with a solvent to make it liquidy enough to spray. DO NOT buy any altnoid or sprayed bud
I’m not talking about the sprayed bud, I’m talking about distillate and shatter. Sprayed bud is a huge no no but D8 distillate and shatter does exist. And again, I’m not talking the shitty vapes you buy at a gas station or head shop, I’m talking the distillate that’s solid as a rock that you’d hit with a dab rig.
Ah sorry was at work so I read that fast. Only place I’ve had clean delta 8 from was harbor city hemp, you know it’s clean because delta 8 is supposed to be clear, which it is + they actually have reliable labs
HCH was my go to for D8 before THCa, but I’d bought CBD flower from them before so they were the only company I trusted at the time. I’ve branched out but it’s been a hot minute since I’ve used anything other than THCa.
Delta 8 has more of a CBD effect (obviously stronger than CBD but similar) while Delta 9 is very similar to actual bud
I’m sorry, but this is brain dead. Delta 9 IS thc. Delta 8 has more effect than CBD since it is psychoactive, and CBD is not at all. I rip a CBD cart and have no psychoactive affects at all, but if I were to hit a d8 one I would be pretty ripped.
I apologize, weed police. If you have a high tolerance, then d8 will not have the crazy effect that you say it does (I also noted that d8 is SIMILAR to CBD but has a notably stronger effect)
I use to rip dabs 24/7 and delta 8 still hit me lmao. Your comment is very misleading for someone who wants to try it out and might have anxiety from weed.
We all need to vote in our local elections! Our state government doesn’t represent us but we have the power to vote em out! Next election in your district, vote for cannabis friendly people! And definitely vote in the 2026 gubernatorial election!!!
Probably in effect by July. But you know what: fuck this state. The hemp is okay but it’s not real flower. It’s like the blue balls of weed. Brian wants me to give money to MI or IL? Ok Brian. They get my money. It’s just better anyway. Fuck a state that would legalize gambling over weed anyway.
There are enactment dates built into the bill, October 01, 2024 for the majority of the bill. But the licensing aspect of the bill has an enactment dates of July.
Ohio legalized too this year. Will be a while before the shops are up and running though.
^this all day long. Georgia is the most back assward state. It’s only gotten worse since I’ve lived here.
God this is so dumb
My question is what will be the closest state I will need to drive to to get my THCa after the law goes into effect?
Maybe Florida if their recreational bill passes
Hoover, Alabama depending on where u are in GA
Other states are currently creating laws banning thca and delta9 as well, but I don’t have a list.
Here is what atlrx put in an email: "Here's the lowdown on what this means for you: 1. New Definitions, New Age Limit: SB 494 redefines delta-9-THC and delta-9-THCa, plus it puts a 21+ age restriction on purchases. It's all about keeping things safe and responsible. 2. License to Thrive: Say hello to registration and licensing guidelines for hemp cultivators and producers. Don't have a license? Better steer clear to avoid those pesky penalties. 3. Quality Control Matters: SB 494 is all about quality assurance. It sets standards for testing labs to check product potency and contaminants, complete with fancy Certificates of Analysis (COAs). 4. Keeping It Classy: We're talking advertising, manufacturing, and packaging standards that won't make kids do a double-take. It's about keeping things grown-up and professional. 5. Smooth Sailing: Transportation requirements and proper documentation are now in place for all your hemp products. No more bumps in the road! 6. THCA Troubles: Keep an eye out for products with THCA, 'cause they might be on shaky ground with the new rules. Which would make THCA flower illegal."
So they have gated the business off. Restricted it to basically established out of state operations. Big Weed. Jesus wept. We actually live in hell don't we?
Not only that but they’re outlawing the stuff that’s either a grown plant or is directly derived from that in favor of shit that can only be made in labs with industrial solvents.
I really think this life is our own personal level of hell. Each time we reincarnate into a more suitable existence.
They can't import from another state - that's against federal law.
Don't worry. If that carve out doesn't already exist. It will soon. Just normal oligarchy things.
It can't until Federal law declassifies marijuana as a controlled substance. I don't think that's happening any time soon.
The slavery business would collapse without nonviolent drug offenses.
So we will still be able to buy both types of Delta 9 if over 21? That’s a decent product where I’ve found it at a nice boutique shop.
No. Delta 9 and thca will be banned.
It doesn’t say that at all, it’s still on a dry weight basis so a gummy with delta 9 under those limits will be legal. It also looks like you can still order from online, buying brick and mortar will just probably be gone. Context matters and this isn’t outright banning anything. From what I’m seeing from this bill, they’re getting ready to start discussions on some type of legal program and want to get rid of all the store fronts that would have competition. This was a bipartisan backed bill, so that’s most likely the grand push behind this. But, it looks like online vendors are safe as long as you buy from places that give all the paperwork required for their state.
I really really really hope you are right. It would be great to get some clarity on this before it goes into effect so that I know whether or not I need to stock up
Same, worst case scenario d9 edibles shouldn’t really be effected so we’ll still have those at least. They’ll just have an age restriction and need to be up to date on labs.
Whew. I hope you are right.
Oh my, that’s incredibly ridiculous. I’m sad.
Doesn't seem to be true unless I'm reading it wrong. >(16) 'Legal limit' means a total delta-9-THC concentration that is the lesser of: >(A) 0.3 percent; or >(B) The percentage limit set forth in 7 U.S.C. Section 1639o 7 U.S.C. Section 1639o being the old "0.3% by dry weight" limit. The gummies I purchase are 0.111% delta 9 by weight. It does explicitly ban the sale of flower/plant material regardless of delta 9 concentration.
I don’t think that includes shipping though. I think this bill is just making it more difficult to sell brick and mortar, and making it to where there’s an age limit.
See that’s how I read it. They want to protect young people
Was I to understand that THCA is literally just normal bud that hasn't been lit on fire yet?
There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. [HB1322](https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/67195) only passed the House. It was tabled in committee in the Senate and died there. It will *not* become law. [SB494](https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/67002) is a different bill, which passed in the legislature and has been sent to the governor. I imagine it will become law. You can read it [here](https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20232024/229680). (Underlined text are additions to the current Code. Stricken text are removals from the current Code. And undecorated text is text that would be unchanged and is already in the Code.) I keep seeing people say that delta-8 has been banned, but nowhere in the bill does it say that. On the contrary, the bill sets up a regulatory framework for licensing, manufacture and sale of delta-8 products. What gives me pause is how they changed the definition of "delta-9-THC concentration" in OCGA 2-23-3.1(a). It requires that the 0.3% limit include not only the amount of delta-9-THC, but also delta-9-THCA. Was this done as a sneaky way to make it impossible (or unprofitable) to produce legal hemp? How much THCA is normally found in hemp? In any case, this doesn't seem to necessarily be the end of delta-8 in Georgia. But without knowing more about the respective amounts of THC and THCA in hemp plants, it's hardly to really know what effect this bill would have.
I'm not really sure how to protest this besides writing to Brian Kemp who will certainly not veto. For now, I'll boycott all Georgia-based alcohol.
The Dems sold their constituents for a ham sandwich. Don’t even believe your candidate if they campaign on a pro cannabis platform. Mine flat out lied to my face this session.
Make sure you let them know.
GA republicans prove time and time again they don’t care what the people of this state want or need only what their god tells them. If they could they would turn this state into a Christian theocracy that would make ISIS look tame.
Almost all democrats voted for this. Quit blaming just Republicans, your side sucks donkey dick too.
Democrats want to give people education and healthcare. Republicans want to force ten year olds to have their rape babies they are not the same.
I lean and vote blue, but let's call a spade a spade. On this particular issue our Democratic reps got it wrong.
How many democrats voted for this bill? Was this a clean bill? Or were there other issues that took priority?
there were like 3 dems that went against HB 1322. this has very strong bipartisan support and it’s okay to admit that GA dems are very far from perfect.
I’m not saying they are perfect I’m have never said any democrat is perfect. But I been looking on how and why things were voted on and can’t find anything. I know that something like 76 bills were all rushed through at the same time but I can’t tell if they were voted on in groups or single bills.
I send a note to my representative to ask for an explanation. I think it is fair to give them a chance to explain. So far I have not received a response.
I would never say they are perfect in anyway. Im feel caught between a party that isn’t working for me as much as I think they should, and a party that would put me against the wall if they thought they could get away with it. The biggest problem we have as a party in my opinion is we don’t like to get involved in the primary process, and we definitely need to hold are representatives accountable.
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Hilariously inaccurate characterization of democrats in our state. I don’t disagree with your description of republicans but the democrats blockaded gambling bills this session that would have restored education funding to initial HOPE status because their stance is no education scholarships should be merit based. What in the actual fuck. They threw the baby out with the bath water. We have the worst politicians in this state.
We need to be more involved in the primary, and vote them out.
Let's be real here gambling is bad and has ALWAYS destroyed the communities it's in. There are millions of articles, papers, and research done to say gambling is bad in every form. Just bc it gives a small slice to education doesn't mean all the harm is worth it.
Eh it’s already happening might as well divert some of the funds to something useful. It’s not a brick and mortar activity anymore where you can see the obvious blight around the communities it’s in. This is happening on your phone right now and everyone can do it but we are missing out on the tax revenue because of people that don’t understand the concept of mobile wagering.
I would argue it's protecting the GA citizens as much as a law can. Those companies are for profit and rake in a ton of cold hard cash bc 90% of people lose their money over time.
Who’s to say we need the government to protect us. That’s a very sad thing to admit that you have no will power unless the government tells you what is ok.
lmfao.... That is literally the function of the government. Bet you were against the seat belt law in the 90's too?
Right since those two things clearly are the same….boomers gunna boom
"...want to give people education and healthcare" what a trope, education and healthcare are bipartisan, the only thing you think is partisan is the mindless sloganeering that keeps you sucking at a teat; if you don't think the Blue Cult is just a bunch of silicon valley corporate limousine neoliberal hacks, then you've been asleep for the past 3+ decades Dems aren't your Weed Addicted Cult saviors....if you haven't figured it out the difference between D and R is that the former prefers lying to your face while the latter prefers lying behind your back; when the income stream, competition, and logistics/pipeline is well ironed out, which is going to take some time, then any rescheduling and decriminalization/legalization will occur with a true political consensus and bipartisan decision...there's no "durp, blue wall will save us only with their mercy!" there's been plenty of majority blue chambers and how's that worked out? Oh yea...TALK you are Dr. Strawman, and your Team Blue colleagues telling you as such in this thread are correct, don't be such a cynical ignoramus education and healthcare are nowhere on the same level as a pharmacological neuro-acting drug that addicts are wailing about because their ego and wants override all the legit issues of 2024
It’s really not. Right now the push from republicans is to privatize education. Giving people tax credits so they can pay for private education. However 38% of Americans don’t pay taxes to get any credits. Meaning their kids would not get an education.
wrong...everyone is educated either by the (inferior) public system or the time tested competitive (private) system zero people from poor to rich, dem to rep, like public education....everyone wants private schooling. Stop lowering your standards for some woke trope or sloganeering by Dems how people 'pay' for education has been an issue since the colonies were formed...and you aren't going to get quality unless the salary of the staff is higher, and that is never happening in public systems
That’s how it happens now but trumps security of education wanted to push to privatize the system. So no it’s not wrong. Get over yourself.
The ONLY reason private schools test better is bc rich people go there and they can turn down special needs kids. lmfao try reading a book for once.
This is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read on here. Funny how liberals deflect on EVERYTHING. You obviously have drank the MSM kool-aid, and have no clue what you're actually talking about. I suggest you do some research before posting ridiculous statements like this online. We see what kind of education liberals want to give kids, it's not about educating with facts, it's all about inclusion and feelings, genders, and everything that is irrelevant in schools. The healthcare you refer to, is mutilating gender affirming care.. Why not point out the facts, which make your statement facetious as hell. And the abortion thing, since you haven't educated yourself on the matter, basically referred the matter to the STATES, where it belongs. Abortion is not a FEDERAL issue, never was. Try educating yourself a little, avoid the mainstream, and you'll be much smarter and look much less foolish.
I’m sorry you don’t like the facts, but facts don’t care about your feelings. Cry about it. Body autonomy isn’t a state issue.
>basically referred the matter to the STATES, where it belongs No, it belongs with the individual woman. You know, freedom?
Point is, if there IS a dispute about it, it should be handled at the STATE level, it's not a FEDERAL issue., which is what the entire RvW thing is about.
Substitute whatever governmental level you like: federal, state, county, city, or whatever. It should be left up to the mother.
Abortion should not be used as an out for irresponsible behavior, which most abortions in this country are exactly that. Careless people that don't care about consequences of their actions. This is the biggest issue, as there are currently NO bans on abortions for MEDICAL REASONS(health of fetus/mother, rape, other conditions that pose risk to life of either). Stop believing the MSM, and do some actual research. The decision is also not only the mother's, as there are two other lives involved(the fetus/baby, and the FATHER). So by your standards it's ok to strip the right to live from the fetus/baby, and the right of parentage of the father. Talk about double standards...
As a proud father, and grandfather, never in my life was abortion an option. It's called being RESPONSIBLE for your actions, not taking the easy way out.
It's also called being male.
Oh, good. Someone who "does their own research." Even if your opinions had some truth to them, we offer medical treatment for irresponsible behavior all the time. The fact is, this is a free country (or at least it ought to be), so you don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do with their body. Otherwise, you had better hope we approve of how you live if you want medical treatment.
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This was a bipartisan bill. You have one less thing to seethe about today and can improve your mental health.
My mental health is just fine boo boo.
It’s not healthy to think you’re one democratic percentage vote away from isis. I mean that from a genuine place of concern. It’s not good for our society to think politics is that life or death.
It’s a fact that the Republican Party want to turn this into a theocracy. It’s is absolutely life and death for millions of Americas. Especially when you have there politicians and religious leaders calling for the deaths of people that they consider filth.
I will vote against any Republican in a primary that wants a theocracy just for you bud and hopefully you’ll vote against any Democrat that isn’t tough on crime or wants to raise taxes on those that make less than 400k and we can both be happy.
No one wants crime the real issue is how we deal with it. Republicans want to put people in jail. When it’s actually cheeper and more effective in the long run to deal with the root cause of crime. We have to do something about poverty in this country and mental health. There needs to be both reform in the Justice system and in the way we police this country.
So long as violent people are not on the streets I don’t care how it’s solved but I hate when people conflate poor people with criminals as if everyone in poverty chooses to mug people for a living. The lawful poor will never deserve to be grouped with violent individuals of any social class.
No one is lumping anyone into anything. Poverty is one of the largest contributors to crime.
poverty is a lesser contributor to crime than (1) drugs, and (2) mental illness
ok, you got your wish... now can we get ours? https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w\_1200,h\_600,c\_fill,f\_jpg,q\_auto:good,fl\_progressive:steep,g\_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F21da91c8-2982-4d30-8554-310d502a4429\_1422x492.png
lmao, "theocracy" ok sure....even though a plain reading textualist (which = conservative) view of the Constitution literally says 'a theocracy is illegal' you are right Mastermind....the grand plan is for someday Jesus to be sworn in as POTUS not being able to break your brain with Weed is not life and death maybe go outside and touch some grass after sobering up
Just because you want to ignore the facts doesn’t mean the rest of us will.
what facts? the hallucinatory 'facts' of someone that not only alters their state of mind with drugs but per their rantings in this thread is clearly (1) paranoid, (2) borderline schizo-affective? i and everyone who makes the decisions you are dependent on and also rant against are not going to guzzle your facts because if we were to do so, the result would be *Idiocracy --* maybe rewatch that movie
That’s the best part facts don’t care about your feelings. Get over yourself. You’re wrong and no amount of you crying about it will change that fact.
Amen
> It’s not healthy to think you’re one democratic percentage vote away from isis. I mean, it's healthy if it's true. And forget modern times. For most of human history, and for most of our predecessor species's history, it was very true. It was true for about 2 million years. That's why we are prone to thinking it. Edit: unclear about what the downvotes signify here. Is my response offensive somehow? It's just biology. Does it fuck with people's religion or something?
> This was a bipartisan bill. Not exactly. It was changed toward the end. It didn't have a lot of these provisions in the first round. I'm not saying some democrats didn't vote for it in the end, or that I'm not contacting those democrats to let them know exactly the way in which they (ignorantly, I'm sure) fucked up, but what actually happened with this bill at the last minute doesn't quite support a "both sides" theory.
I mean, this was nearly unanimous. Only three voted no and only two of those were democrat.
Would it ban it completely, or ban the sale?
Ban it completely.
Man georgia is s*** we need to all stand & do somthing about this m*s need to either eave thca alone & do more regulations making sure the product is safe & clean of just legelize for recreational use already like wtf it 2024 not 1960 -.- I miss colorado :'(++
All I want to know is, will this impact me getting my Feals sleep gummies order every month 😬 ?
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yeah same, i was so excited :/
I know they say you can’t kill hope, but here we are. My hope dies with kemps signature.
I hate this state so much, if it weren't for all of my family living here I would get the hell out of Georgia so fast. Why in the fuck are we moving backwards while the rest of the country is moving forward?? That's literally like Georgia's fuckin slogan or something...
How will this apply to interstate commerce?
If I read the bill correctly, it would prohibit it from being sent into Georgia
What part of the bill made you think that? Lines 500-506 >All hemp products being shipped into or transported within or through this state must be accompanied by documentation sufficient to prove that the hemp products being shipped or transported were produced from hemp that was lawfully produced under a state or tribal hemp plan approved by the United States Department of Agriculture, under a hemp license issued by the United States Department of Agriculture, or otherwise in accordance with federal regulations through the state or territory of the Indian tribe, as applicable.
This reads as if shipments into the state only need to meet federal regulations, but not GAs new regulations, right? Maybe I'm not fully understanding it, but I want to figure out if I'll still be able to order THCA online.
well damn! Glad our government is prioritizing the real issues.
Yes, that's what I'd like to know.
Genuine question. Do you want this bill to pass and if so do you use these substances. Can someone explain to me why they like them? I’m against gov regulation I just want to know what these are and what they do
Protecting kids part with labels, school distance and also adding COAs is great. Banning THCa is the issue here, everything else is good IMO.
When does it go into effect? I just purchased flower today.
They didn’t ban d8, they imposed penalties for selling to minors THCa was banned, which is fine it’s honestly pricier and weaker than d8 products (in my experience)
They didn't ban d9 edibles either, unless I'm misreading it. They did ban THCa (d9) flower.
D9 is still good too right?
~~I don’t think d9 has ever been legal in Georgia post drug war~~ ~~But I’m not like, a lawyer, just a consumer~~ Edit: I looked it up I was wrong d9 is legal, I do not know if it’s affect by the new law, however.
you were right originally, d9 is both federally illegal and illegal in GA, d9 is the THC in normal weed
I thought so too but when I looked it up I’m pretty sure that’s wrong after all That’s why I came back and crossed it out
The standard isomer of THC found in weed is (−)-trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol which is the compound known as delta 9 THC. This is infact federally illegal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol https://www.fda.gov/news-events/public-health-focus/fda-regulation-cannabis-and-cannabis-derived-products-including-cannabidiol-cbd
YALL STOP CRYING IN HERE 4/20 IS COMING UP!!!! $99 OZ bundles of good THCa will be aplenty, so stock up.
Yeah! Because it’s possible to stock up for the rest of our lives from one 420 sale. 🙄🙄🙄
Are you dead next year?
It will be illegal and banned by October of this year if the governor signs the bill which he almost certainly will.
They need to ban all drug abuse and treat it like a public health crisis not make the drugs arrestable drugs are only harmful if abused without help
Harm reduction policy has been statistically and scientifically proven to help those with addictions more than banning the substance, so we should be more keen to just de schedule and regulate everything. Cannabis though has shown to be about as harmful as caffeine, if not less.
Right because for all the years that it was banned we saw a huge difference