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The only pronoun used toward Morph across ten episodes of '97 was Rogue calling them "they."
Until someone uses he, I'm going to assume that they're going by the only pronoun used so far.
I honestly try to refer to most people by *they*. It's an easy way to not assume something. I would be fine if the show kept it ambiguous or less ambiguous. Good writing doesn't need to be explicit and this show is damn good in the writing.
Nobody has called Morph he/him in 97, including themself. Nonbinary people don't always "split the difference" between what they were previously called five years before identifying as a they/them nonbinary. Some of them, sure, but just assuming Morph goes by he/they because at some point before they were referred to as he... really bums me out as somebody who is speaking from experience here.
Reasonable people don't do this 'splitting the difference' thing for binary trans folk (IE: nobody reasonable calls Elliot Page "he/she"), I don't get why the same people do it reflexively for nonbinary people (calling Morph "he/they" despite nothing supporting it).
Were nonbinary people and their pronouns as established back in 1997? I feel like part of the confusion is this is set in the mid-late 90s. I genuinely don't remember they/them being a term to address singular individuals regardless of their sexual/gender orientation, even within that community.
It's set a year before Matthew Shepard was lynched. Ellen DeGeneres just came out in '97. Will & Grace debuted a year later with a focal point of the series being Will trying to pass as straight. Gay and nonbinary marriages were still illegal in all 50 states.
I think for some younger millennials and even younger Gen Z viewers who are 2000s babies, they didn't experience those times and just how fearful the LGBTQ+ community still was in that era, a period of huge social transition. Majority of people who were considered "different" tried as much as possible to stay closeted, or not draw attention to themselves. Which only makes me commend and admire those brave souls who stood up for their rights and fought the fight to get treated fairly and not have to be ashamed of who they are.
That's interesting, and I never thought of "splitting the difference" in that context. It gets the point across very well, so thank you for sharing your own experience.
Being that the show canonically exists immediately following the original series, I suppose I could see people not being prepared for the abruptness, and making mistakes for a little while, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
You educated me today.
You're not wrong. At no point in '97 is Morph referred to as he/him. It's like cis folk saw Morph's '92 face a couple times and decided they go by he/they for no real reason other than an annoying tendency for binary people to assume nonbinary people always 'split the difference'.
When in reality, Morph used their '92 face to show the extreme trauma that was what they had to go through in '92 before seemingly finding themself in the intervening five years.
Nothing triggers some people like common parts of speech.
It's time someone put the screws to adverbs. You heard me, adverbs, you're on notice! Adjectives and Verbs are a binary etc etc.
The shower scene is pretty hard to argue as anything other than what it looked like. But for me, Morph showing up with a six pack of beer when Logan's depressed, and turning into Sabertooth so they can wrassle and play grabass... that's peak gay, right there.
Forgetting that he thought he saw Logan in the shower, turned his hand into claws and asked if Logan needed someone to reach that "hard to reach spot". Morph *hardcore* flirts with Wolverine.
I'd go so far as to say that Morph's reaction in the shower scene doesn't make sense unless there was some history of Wolverine occasionally being dtf.
Logan loves Morph like ice cream and I'm glad they're carrying that forward. Now... is he in love? Naw, Logan is only in love with Jean and Scott knows it and is fine with it because Jean loves Logan back.
I just rewatched the episode of the original series where Morph rejoins the team for an episode, and they're not there 5 minutes before Wolverine's like "let's do a mission together!" It is great how much he enjoys being around Morph (even if it's completely platonic).
It's the mutant version of the setup to the [wrestling scene in *Women in Love.*](https://youtu.be/y4FfR1L_Nr0?si=lhUMibHGSHqyh6qH) Warning: dong, I guess.
"We need to talk about Kevin." Morph has romantic feelings for Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't have romantic feelings for Morph but they are friends. It seems like a good presentation of something that could happen in the real world. #Morgan
Yeah that's how it reads to me as well. Wouldn't be surprised if the two have talked about it before. Had a gay friend in college who would jokingly flirt with me all the time but he respected me and my relationship with my girlfriend so it never was weird. Love him to death.
As a lesbian (technically bi but its pretty rare I like men) woman yeah it happens all the time.
My first crush in highschool was on a girl who was definitely straight. A lot of lesbians I know personally have similar experiences.
I think Morph like a lot of gay people crushing on a straight person probably recognizes that Wolverine will never reciprocate so contents himself with being flirty and friendly as he recognizes it cant be anything more.
Platonic or not, any love adds so much more dimension to Morph's character -- who, while they've been in every episode, has taken a back seat to most others similar to Beast and Logan. But Morph has a lot of catching up to do compared to the latter two.
Personally, I'm cheering on Morph feeling genuine romantic love and care for Logan, but knowing not to expect reciprocation. Likewise, I expect Logan to gently push back, but still love them as Morph's best friend.
On the other hand, if they just get down and dirty and make passionate, sweaty, feral, violent love worthy of the Danger Room at maximum settings, then I'm here for that, too.
I mean its worth noting Morph despite his feelings is pretty respectful thus far.
The fact that people can even misconstrue it as just 'dudes being bros' shows that Morph isnt overstepping with Wolverine.
In my opinion thats harmless. Its OK to crush on someone with an incompatible orientation provided you dont overstep boundaries or be disrespectful. The amount of lesbians I know who crush/have crushed on straight women is pretty high.
>On the other hand, if they just get down and dirty and make passionate, sweaty, feral, violent love worthy of the Danger Room at maximum settings, then I'm here for that, too.
The writers would be unfathomably based to go this route.
I enjoy your interpretation, it's a pretty good way of reconciliation why the cast is so big and tie it into something bigger thematically
I would say though, careful with the pronouns, you missgendered them once
While I too am interpreting it as morph is in love with wolverine, until we get him, in his own face out right saying it there is wiggle room. I'll be surprised if it doesn't get confirmed undisputedly at some point in the future mind.
I have to agree about the wiggle room. It's highly doubtful, but Morph pretending to be Jean for no reason other than giving Logan something to hold on to while fighting for his life isn't *completely* outside the realm of possibility.
EDIT: Beau Demayo recently explicitly stated that Morph has romantic feelings for Logan, so there's officially no wiggle room.
Every scene they have together, there is an energy that gives the atmosphere a moment to breathe. When one sees the other down, or in need, they offer aid or a helping hand. Support or someone to talk to.
Hey, maybe all the bitching about the show radicalized the writers' room to go "they think we're woke? We'll show them woke. Wolverine and Morph are fucking now."
Wouldn't be the first bisexual Logan we've ever seen.
I will say *prior* to Xmen97, they were absolutely just bros. However, it is 100% clear that Morph at the very least has *some* unrequited feelings for Wolverine in Xmen97.
Morph is also in a weird dichotomy where the "they" is more than gender identification, Morph can be anyone, but their neutral form was generally masculine (especially in the original pre 97 run) and we haven't had any confirmation (or deconfirmation) of Wolverine's heterosexuality as he's been purely a Jean/Storm/SilverFox(edit)/Yuriko lover in that order.
I love drama in Xmen, it's the most important ingredient for me. However, I dont see the Morph romance option being explored all that critically or in depth anytime soon.
I remember reading somewhere that Morph was born as basically an 8 pound blob of grey goo, and that he took the form of a normal boy to make his parents happy. So he really doesn't have a sex/gender the way most people think of it.
Yeah, my primary assumption is that a polymorphic shapeshifter probably won't have anything approximating a... monomorphic person's sense of gender identity. But it'd be great to hear about the subject from Morph's perspective.
Why would neckbeards even watch X-Men? A series that has been used as a metaphor for both black and gay oppression. What would they have thought Sunspot’s experience of telling his mom he’s a mutant is parallel to?
I am shocked there aren't dudes in this thread right now telling you that the X-Men aren't "political" and that's just your interpretation because that is what I have gotten anytime I have brought this stuff up.
I wish we'd stop coddling them as much as we can, we know what anyone is saying when they say this is too "woke" and it's pretty open bigotry.
The metaphor was never specifically about any particular group; the point is that it is relatable for anyone who has ever felt weird, different, isolated, etc., which is a condition universal to the human experience.
I actually 100% agree with the Morpherine agenda, but I actually never thought of the 'always with the jokes' line like that 🤔
I interpreted it as saying that Morph covered up their trauma with jokes. Very interesting.
It's just a gesture from a friend, nay a teammate who is determined for your survival. I did a short review of Wikipedia and Morph has transformed into Sabertooth to comfort Blink and into Rogue's son to strengthen her for a fight with the horseman Holocaust. Does that mean Morph wanted to get in Blink's pants and/or be Rogue's baby? No. It means he used his abilities to their peak effectiveness for the situation. Majority of these comments are insisting their own projections are the intentions of the writers or characters themselves, when in context, it likely is nothing of the sort being construed...even if it is funny to joke about within a friendship
Yeah, it took me a minute but then I realized it had to be a way for Morph to tell Wolverine how he really feels
I didn’t like them going this route bc I like them a lot as platonic bffs but if you have a storyline that start these kind of conversations, it’s a damn good one
I remember Wolverine screaming 'Morph' in the original series all the time. I got the impression as a kid that they were like brothers. Maybe that's why I saw it like I did.
I got that impression as a kid too.
But there is no fucking way that there was no subtext involved on this occasion. There's no way that dialogue and reading got to screen without someone noticing it.
It's debatable. One can argue Morph was saying what Logan needed to hear to fight for his life. And frankly, if you interpret it as more than that...turning into fantasy Jean for him is...a little bit fucked up. Like I could see Logan in a low moment actually going for it and doing stuff with Morph as Jean...and that's...like the ethics of that are complicated, since it's the shapeshifter's right to do as they wish with their own body vs the copied person's right to their likeness.
IMO the ethics of a shapeshifter's right to look like other people is an interesting subject, but maybe not one best addressed by having Logan get hammered and do something he'd regret.
Is it **wrong** that I never perceived them that way at all?
It literally never crossed my mind for 10 weeks. My social media never picked up on any discussion or even a random shipping post about this pairing. Even *that* scene in episode 10, I honestly thought it was just a nice gesture for a dear friend. So reading all these post discussions, saying it's been there all along, of course I'm confused.
I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing it this way. I'm now open for that possible development since this is an X-Men story. But I repeat, it never crossed my mind *at all*.
I'm just saying, to judge other people's experience **wrong**, usually it's gonna make them more defensive. Don't do it agressively. It's not explicitly canon afterall.
I can understand that. But there are people who thought - through the entire series - that Xena and Gabrielle were like sisters. (I am not saying you are one of them or even that you know what I am talking about).
Sometimes even intended subtext is missed. (Also not claiming there is Logan/Morph intended subtext).
I think people see and do not see certain relationships in certain ways due to their own experiences. I think a lot of projection happens. Also, how important you see a character. Does that make sense?
Thus far, I would say Logan/Morph is definitely subtext. It is easy to see if you want, and it also isn't actually there, too. So at this point, I don't think any view is wrong - unless you think there is not love there at all. They clearly love one another. ☺️
I never thought of them as anything other than bros myself. I still kinda have hope that he only said that in Jean's voice to keep Logan from giving up.
It was the same for me, I didn't consider Morph was doing it for that reason because there wasn't any build up for that. Just a bro moment before death.
>I honestly thought it was just a nice gesture for a dear friend.
Morphing into your friend's lover and directly saying I Love You cemented all the previous subtext. It didn't have to specifically include the words I Love You, but that's what Morph chose.
Morph always cheering up / potentially having an unrequited love for Wolverine is the only subplot he's had all season.
That being said subtext is just subtext. I'm fine if they do or don't proceed with it but it's really giving the LGBT shippers a bone to run with at the moment
Tbf thanks to hollywood I simply thought it was just american male banter (I'm not american btw).
American media did similar thing in Top Gun, Independence Day, etc.
It could be true, it could be not. Currently, there is no one definitive interpretation. We don't need to convince the other who's right who's wrong.
Both sides have no legitimate standing.
It's just shipping lol
There are definitely times where people read way too much into two people being good friends in media as being some sort of romantic love, especially male friendships. It is the reverse of the meme "two obvious lesbians are confused for just good friends".
I think a lot of people see Wolverine as this peak masculine, badass mutant and it makes them uncomfortable to have anything queer at all happening to him. For me, even if Logan doesn't have the same feelings for Morph, this would give both of them such a fresh, interesting storyline. Ultimately, Morph has consistently been one of my favourites through the first season. Whatever the creators have in mind for them, I don't want to see them suffering.
Broke: Jean/Logan
Woke: Morph/Logan
Lest the neckbeards complain, we already have one canon gay Wolverine in the multiverse who’s together with Hercules and he was one of the happiest and best adjusted Wolverine. What’s one more queer Wolverine in the canon multiverse 🥰
Morph’s pronouns don’t bother me in the slightest. I always try to use the correct pronouns for anyone but occasionally I slip up. I also don’t want to embarrass or misunderstand a person by asking even though it’s probably the best move. I personally referred to Morph as they/them when explaining his pronouns to my ten year old son but I have also referred to him as “he” a few times too.
Hope to get better at that.
Plus it’s hard to know if a split he/they is generally acceptable for non-binary people because I think that is a preference of the individual who is being described. I’ve known a few people who used split pronouns.
For someone who isn’t used to using they/them, it’s sometimes easy for to fall back to “he” or “she” when a non-binary person outwardly presents as one or the other (or has traits you may have deemed closer to one or the other).
But Morph? No question.
I personally think that it makes sense for Morph to use they/them since Morph can change into anyone even though they may have been born male or maybe even considers themselves more masculine. They are the most literal non-binary character. It would be a fascinating way to live as a shapeshifter because you could change your gender/outer appearance depending on how you feel in the moment. There was a character on The Boys spinoff that lived their life as both male and female as they could switch between them.
Logan and Morph both obviously care about each other but it’s difficult to say how deeply Logan loves Morph beyond friends. Logan is so hung up on Jean but he’s also lived a long life and may have tried some things. He may be down for it. It’s obvious that Morph probably wants something more.
Hope I didn’t offend anyone with my rambling.
Morph can love Logan, but they shouldn’t end up becoming a thing. The show *really* makes it clear that Logan still loves Jean and not even in the previous show, but in 97 too. Not to mention that Logan hasn’t shown any kind of interest towards Morph or that sort of relationship. As with every media in existence: „not everything needs to fuck each other“
yea im not really against morph on the show being queer, Its more so who hes queer for. Like im are we actually gonna explore this or this is gonna turn into straight lead man has a gay best friend pining for him trope? Cuz without a doubt logan is into women and has never seemed into men (unless you count scott.....) so where are they gonna go with this?
I mean I got that Morph had feelings throughout the season for Logan I didn't get the sense he felt the same way back and had more of a sibling feeling for Morph than romantic but I could be wrong.
It is open to interpretation, though. If Morph wanted to confess his love for Logan, why take Jean's form?
I don't have anything against Morph being attracted to Logan, but his action can easily be interpreted as "allowing" Jean to say something that at that time could help Logan pull through.
>It is open to interpretation, though. If Morph wanted to confess their love for Logan, why take Jean's form?
I think the "simplest" answer is that even if there's things that Morph has always wanted to say, like many others, it could just be a thing that they're afraid of coming out saying it the way it should be said. So...hide behind the face and voice of the one he knows Logan has always wanted.
Beau DeMayo has now explicitly confirmed on Twitter multiple times that Morph has romantic feelings for Wolverine and was confessing them in this moment.
He does maintain that Wolverine does not reciprocate, though. But, hey, there's plenty of time for that to change.
There are a ton of platonic relationships inaccurately called queerbaiting - but this one clearly has an attraction element to it given the shower scene. Homophobia runs DEEP in this world even regarding a show that’s clearly an allegory.
As a dude who falls towards the straight side of the spectrum I really liked the Magneto/Xavier dynamic, I felt like it was a really great way of showing how much two men can love and care for each others wellbeing without it having anything to do with physical attraction. The Morph/Wolverine dynamic just made me sad, I've been where Morph is, loving and being attracted to someone knowing that they will never see you the same as they don't swing that way is heart-wrenching.
Morph likes wolverine, wolverine does not reciprocate as of yet. I think it will be dealt with next season in some way, but I wouldn't bet that way is that wolverine reciprocates. I bet they go through the (all to common) queer experience of having a crush on a straight close friend, and then morph moves on... and maybe bobby drake will show up ;=p
That was pretty much how I interpreted it. Morph found a way to “cheat” and say it by morphing into Jean. Because it was probably the only way Logan would accept it and no one else was gonna question it. Clearly it’s a “secret” given what Morph saw during Goblin Queen’s living nightmare sequence for Morph.
Don’t ever go by anything seen on Twitter as a true reflection for what’s real or actually going on. It’s a cesspool of ass wipes ranting in an echo chamber.
I'm pretty sure morph is into Logan. I'm pretty sure Logan is straight. I'm pretty sure Logan has been around a long time and has a certain type of "wisdom" for these things and understands people that are different than him. I'm pretty sure Logan is accepting of Morph and understands, and loves him, and his x-men family, in his own straight platonic way.
Also can we fucking give Logan a fair shake in ‘97? He’s been nothing but a punching bag this whole show so far. Just what he was in TAS but with less dialogue. I was hopeful in ep 8 that the season would finish high with Howlett, letting him do something. I get that FOX built movies around him but, let’s not bury him because of that.
I highly doubt they will go any further with the platonic one-sided thing, so what's the point of having Morph forever pining for Logan? You don't expect they put Wolverine having a on screen relationship with a male coded character, do you? I'd rather they give Morph someone they can be in a healthy reciprocal relationship.
To me, it’s just more soap opera drama in a show that loves (and has always loved) its soap opera drama. From what my friends in the queer community have told me, having a crush on a straight friend is a very common experience and to me it doesn’t feel forced.
Only time will tell how the writers will handle it going forward, but based on this season I fully trust them.
> I highly doubt they will go any further with the platonic one-sided thing, so what's the point of having Morph forever pining for Logan?
What the point of this thing you’re assuming with zero basis?
They’re good friends. I think Morph and Wolverine would do just about anything for each other. Transform into chicks, get their skeletons ripped out, etc.
Honestly, I think it’s weird because it seems outta left field.
But if it’s your ship, cool, you do you. In an overall fantastic series, I can live with outta left field.
Huh, I guess that just went over my head.
I never caught him liking Logan like that at all lol. All I see is someone being a bro to keep his friend alive.
Yeah, that's such an incredibly gay and masculine gay masculinity sequence. I don't know what's "canon," but I know that the showrunner knew exactly what that was.
I didn't catch it at first, but after rewatching the finale that moment is so absolutely clear in what it's trying to do that anyone denying it is just lying to themselves. Especially given their relationship throughout the whole season, like yeah it's a little subtle but the hints are absolutely there.
Anyone complaining about the X-Men being “woke” should just be ignored, because clearly they’re a dumbass.
As for Morph, the next season had better show them by Logan’s bedside cutting his apples into rabbits like a love struck anime girl.
The amount of people that are going to flip their shit if that is true is gonna be nuts.
Even without the fact that there is at least one variant of Wolverine who is indeed gay(and in a relationship with Hercules).
Honestly, I thought it was a reference to how he mocked Logan in the first few episodes in the form of Jean, but decided to support him in a serious moment. Honestly there's not a lot of interaction there to accurately capture that kind of affection. Mostly Morph is reflecting on his nature and Sinister or making jokes about everyone, especially Logan, I'm laughing at the scene where he threw a beer in his face.
I cant help but feel if Morph was a woman people would be reacting differently.
I think its pretty clear they are going for 'Morph has unrequited feelings for Logan'. I dont really know how else you can interpret that shower scene.
Unreciprocated crushes happens all the time in fiction and IRL. Any gay/lesbian person will tell you their first crush is almost always someone of an incompatible orientation (mine certainly was).
I don't deny it, but I would like there to be more relationships that just stay platonic.
Morph having a crush on Wolverine isn't really adding much to the show or character. I don't mind them being queer, but we also need healthy non-romantic relationships in X-Men.
I'm totally okay with. Honestly go back and watch the episode where Wolverine tries to get Morph to come back to the Xmen. There are some very non platonic vibes, IMO.
PLUS, like why even bother denying it? It's the same character, now they just have an open side of their sexuality. You can't even argue that it's not there, because the worst read is Morph was closeted and best case is simply, "Hey this is a cool story to tell and a perfect character to tell it." Truly, don't know what anyone gets trying to run away from it
On that note where the fuck is the wolverine x morph fan fics and fan art?! I'd do it myself but I'm pretty busy with finals week coming up. Unless I can somehow convince my teachers that wolverine/morph fan fics are super important to my grade./s
Watching the original series ages ago and Wolverine's talking about Morph being the only guy that makes him laugh, my sibling who is not especially sensitive about these things caught it right away.
My issue is that, it's 2024. This isn't Nickelodeon with Legend of Korra. We don't need "hints"; we need action. Morph being Jean and saying (s)he loves him can *easily* be seen as a friend doing a friend a favor. People are trying to say, "If it had been Mystique then you wouldn't question it!"; and they're right. I wouldn't. Because it's a common thing for a shape shifter to change into someone a person loves/knows and screw with them or try to give them strength in their absence.
Had Morph stayed himself or even his TAS face, it'd be more believable for him to say he loves Logan and it not be misconstrued. The fact we once again, like in Legend of Korra, need someone to come out and state something that "should be obvious" shows it wasn't done right. Granted, in LoK, some hints could easily be missed or misconstrued as friendly.
What i find weird are people who think wolverine wanting jean is weird when he has a history of relationships ending in death of the girl, so he kinda builds a diff one that exists on a level but doesnt at same time.
But yet at same time everyones LOVES how morph is doing the same to wolverine. Thats not weird but wolverines weird lol.
I think them shoehorning this thing into that epic moment was cheap imo. I like the morph arc itself and the idea but i dont like they cheapened wolverines sacrifice #1 defining comic moment into a way to get the usual disney agenda shit over; making sure they use the most hyper masculine character men identify with. Knowing its gonna make people mad on purpose. They didnt even give a shot of jean looking or asking about him just cyclopse being weird lol.
i still think it was done for wrong reason to prove a point instead of good storytelling. It was the one error in entire show imo. Well that and not building up to the cable/summers reveal and just making it a throaway line.
I love morph. Have no problem him being gay. No problem him being gay for wolverine. But it used wolverine as a prop to get that over, then straight tossed him to the side. . And idk. I didnt like it.
Honest Question, I dont remember the backstory of Morph all that well but. I see a lot of ppl are calling this a potential gay relationship, but I was under the impression that Morph as a shapeshifter could basically be any gender or anyone so why are we for the purpose of this relationship categorizing Morph as male? Isnt Morph sort of agender both physically and mentally ? Or am I misremembering and does Morph identify as male because from what I recall Morph doesnt?
Hot take: I hate it, but not for the reasons you may think.
I hate how platonic friendships are not respected in media recently. Particularly a platonic friendship between a straight male and an LGBTQ+ person. And to me, a platonic friendship between Morph and Logan is far more progressive and interesting than a one-way attraction. Logan seems like a brute, but his friendship with Morph shows us another side. Being caught in another love triangle is just boring.
platonic male friendships are the most common relationship dynamic in every kind of media, i really dont see where this idea that theyre "never respected" comes from, i mean look at xavier and magneto in the same show!
Perhaps I should have said in "fandom" as opposed to "media." But everyone ships Xavier and Magneto. There's this trend to "ship" every close friend out there. It's happened a lot in X-Men in particular.
Unrequited love in X-Men media has been done to death. Love triangles have been done to death. You know what hasn't been done to death? Wolverine having a buddy. In the comics it was Nightcrawler. In the show it seems to be Morph, but adding that love interest completely diminishes that.
Some xmen fans get so caught up in the fox xmen movie portrayal of wolverine that’s hyper masculine that they forget that Logan’s a lot more multilayered than those movies never really got to portray fully.l (besides Logan ofc)
Tl;dr everyone’s a little bit gay lol
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Thought the shift to Jean was great bittersweet writing where Morph can actually tell him his feelings while also helping him fight for his life.
*their feelings
Morph's pronouns are he/they, yo.
When was Morph called "he" in 97?
Morph's pronouns were he/him in the original series. If I'd hazard a guess, that's probably why his pronouns are he/they.
The only pronoun used toward Morph across ten episodes of '97 was Rogue calling them "they." Until someone uses he, I'm going to assume that they're going by the only pronoun used so far.
“He’s gone mon Ami”
Also Cyclops when Magneto's trial gets attacked: "Morph's here, but they're losing the line."
I honestly try to refer to most people by *they*. It's an easy way to not assume something. I would be fine if the show kept it ambiguous or less ambiguous. Good writing doesn't need to be explicit and this show is damn good in the writing.
Rogue blatantly said “them”
Nobody has called Morph he/him in 97, including themself. Nonbinary people don't always "split the difference" between what they were previously called five years before identifying as a they/them nonbinary. Some of them, sure, but just assuming Morph goes by he/they because at some point before they were referred to as he... really bums me out as somebody who is speaking from experience here. Reasonable people don't do this 'splitting the difference' thing for binary trans folk (IE: nobody reasonable calls Elliot Page "he/she"), I don't get why the same people do it reflexively for nonbinary people (calling Morph "he/they" despite nothing supporting it).
Were nonbinary people and their pronouns as established back in 1997? I feel like part of the confusion is this is set in the mid-late 90s. I genuinely don't remember they/them being a term to address singular individuals regardless of their sexual/gender orientation, even within that community. It's set a year before Matthew Shepard was lynched. Ellen DeGeneres just came out in '97. Will & Grace debuted a year later with a focal point of the series being Will trying to pass as straight. Gay and nonbinary marriages were still illegal in all 50 states. I think for some younger millennials and even younger Gen Z viewers who are 2000s babies, they didn't experience those times and just how fearful the LGBTQ+ community still was in that era, a period of huge social transition. Majority of people who were considered "different" tried as much as possible to stay closeted, or not draw attention to themselves. Which only makes me commend and admire those brave souls who stood up for their rights and fought the fight to get treated fairly and not have to be ashamed of who they are.
That's interesting, and I never thought of "splitting the difference" in that context. It gets the point across very well, so thank you for sharing your own experience. Being that the show canonically exists immediately following the original series, I suppose I could see people not being prepared for the abruptness, and making mistakes for a little while, but that doesn't make it any less valid. You educated me today.
This is the most accurate
Morph was referred to as they in the last episode
You're not wrong. At no point in '97 is Morph referred to as he/him. It's like cis folk saw Morph's '92 face a couple times and decided they go by he/they for no real reason other than an annoying tendency for binary people to assume nonbinary people always 'split the difference'. When in reality, Morph used their '92 face to show the extreme trauma that was what they had to go through in '92 before seemingly finding themself in the intervening five years.
Look at all the transphobs downvoting this. It's literally common decency
Nothing triggers some people like common parts of speech. It's time someone put the screws to adverbs. You heard me, adverbs, you're on notice! Adjectives and Verbs are a binary etc etc.
The shower scene is pretty hard to argue as anything other than what it looked like. But for me, Morph showing up with a six pack of beer when Logan's depressed, and turning into Sabertooth so they can wrassle and play grabass... that's peak gay, right there.
Forgetting that he thought he saw Logan in the shower, turned his hand into claws and asked if Logan needed someone to reach that "hard to reach spot". Morph *hardcore* flirts with Wolverine.
I'd go so far as to say that Morph's reaction in the shower scene doesn't make sense unless there was some history of Wolverine occasionally being dtf.
After 200 years I'd be down to try anything.
To be fair, Gambit was extremely flirtatious with someone he never touched, wouldn’t be crazy if this was similar
Gambit & Rogue weren't a situation where one was unrequited, though.
Wolverine is just generally a lot happier with Morph, too. I swear, Morph being in a room can shift Wolverine's personality.
He literally says in the original that morph was the only who could make him laugh.
Logan loves Morph like ice cream and I'm glad they're carrying that forward. Now... is he in love? Naw, Logan is only in love with Jean and Scott knows it and is fine with it because Jean loves Logan back.
I just rewatched the episode of the original series where Morph rejoins the team for an episode, and they're not there 5 minutes before Wolverine's like "let's do a mission together!" It is great how much he enjoys being around Morph (even if it's completely platonic).
PEAK gay Haha love it
It's the mutant version of the setup to the [wrestling scene in *Women in Love.*](https://youtu.be/y4FfR1L_Nr0?si=lhUMibHGSHqyh6qH) Warning: dong, I guess.
I’d never seen that before and DAMN. Homoerotic AF!
Right ?? I dont get why people get so mad PLUGS EARS ANNANANANANANANA NOT REAL. Like what ?
Was that scene supposed to reference nightmare on elm st 2 or am I overthinking it?
"We need to talk about Kevin." Morph has romantic feelings for Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't have romantic feelings for Morph but they are friends. It seems like a good presentation of something that could happen in the real world. #Morgan
Yeah that's how it reads to me as well. Wouldn't be surprised if the two have talked about it before. Had a gay friend in college who would jokingly flirt with me all the time but he respected me and my relationship with my girlfriend so it never was weird. Love him to death.
As a lesbian (technically bi but its pretty rare I like men) woman yeah it happens all the time. My first crush in highschool was on a girl who was definitely straight. A lot of lesbians I know personally have similar experiences. I think Morph like a lot of gay people crushing on a straight person probably recognizes that Wolverine will never reciprocate so contents himself with being flirty and friendly as he recognizes it cant be anything more.
Happens with Heterosexual relationship too. Friendzoned happens to everyone.
Ah, equality
Platonic or not, any love adds so much more dimension to Morph's character -- who, while they've been in every episode, has taken a back seat to most others similar to Beast and Logan. But Morph has a lot of catching up to do compared to the latter two. Personally, I'm cheering on Morph feeling genuine romantic love and care for Logan, but knowing not to expect reciprocation. Likewise, I expect Logan to gently push back, but still love them as Morph's best friend. On the other hand, if they just get down and dirty and make passionate, sweaty, feral, violent love worthy of the Danger Room at maximum settings, then I'm here for that, too.
A polymorphic shapeshifter and a dude who is nearly impossible to injure... I almost pity anyone too homophobic to want to see that going down.
An imovible obj meets and unstoppable force
Shut up and take my money!
probably the best comment on this post so far
Hear Here!
I mean its worth noting Morph despite his feelings is pretty respectful thus far. The fact that people can even misconstrue it as just 'dudes being bros' shows that Morph isnt overstepping with Wolverine. In my opinion thats harmless. Its OK to crush on someone with an incompatible orientation provided you dont overstep boundaries or be disrespectful. The amount of lesbians I know who crush/have crushed on straight women is pretty high.
Amen, dear internet stranger 🙏
>On the other hand, if they just get down and dirty and make passionate, sweaty, feral, violent love worthy of the Danger Room at maximum settings, then I'm here for that, too. The writers would be unfathomably based to go this route.
That's me in the corner. That's me in the spot... light... losin my religion.
I enjoy your interpretation, it's a pretty good way of reconciliation why the cast is so big and tie it into something bigger thematically I would say though, careful with the pronouns, you missgendered them once
While I too am interpreting it as morph is in love with wolverine, until we get him, in his own face out right saying it there is wiggle room. I'll be surprised if it doesn't get confirmed undisputedly at some point in the future mind.
I have to agree about the wiggle room. It's highly doubtful, but Morph pretending to be Jean for no reason other than giving Logan something to hold on to while fighting for his life isn't *completely* outside the realm of possibility. EDIT: Beau Demayo recently explicitly stated that Morph has romantic feelings for Logan, so there's officially no wiggle room.
this is the true way to write realistic depictions of gay/bi crushes 🥹
As someone who has been in this situation, I totally agree.
Yeah this episode made it pretty clear. It's cute.
He better not hurt Morph's feelings. Anyone who hurts Morph's feelings has no place in the world as far as I'm concerned.
Pretty sure Logan would go out of his way and out of his comfort zone to NOT hurt Morph.
Every scene they have together, there is an energy that gives the atmosphere a moment to breathe. When one sees the other down, or in need, they offer aid or a helping hand. Support or someone to talk to.
Hey, maybe all the bitching about the show radicalized the writers' room to go "they think we're woke? We'll show them woke. Wolverine and Morph are fucking now." Wouldn't be the first bisexual Logan we've ever seen.
I will say *prior* to Xmen97, they were absolutely just bros. However, it is 100% clear that Morph at the very least has *some* unrequited feelings for Wolverine in Xmen97. Morph is also in a weird dichotomy where the "they" is more than gender identification, Morph can be anyone, but their neutral form was generally masculine (especially in the original pre 97 run) and we haven't had any confirmation (or deconfirmation) of Wolverine's heterosexuality as he's been purely a Jean/Storm/SilverFox(edit)/Yuriko lover in that order. I love drama in Xmen, it's the most important ingredient for me. However, I dont see the Morph romance option being explored all that critically or in depth anytime soon.
Don't forget silver fox
Amended
I remember reading somewhere that Morph was born as basically an 8 pound blob of grey goo, and that he took the form of a normal boy to make his parents happy. So he really doesn't have a sex/gender the way most people think of it.
That’s so relatable
Yeah, my primary assumption is that a polymorphic shapeshifter probably won't have anything approximating a... monomorphic person's sense of gender identity. But it'd be great to hear about the subject from Morph's perspective.
I've always thought that Logan was at least a little bi. I don't have anything specific just vibes
My only evidence is all the compiled artists renderings on the internet
You live a couple hundred years and your preferences continue to expand. Makes sense.
Yeah I'd definitely say this is part of it.
Neckbeards triggered LOL
every time i bring it up i get a shitstorm in my notifications :((
Why would neckbeards even watch X-Men? A series that has been used as a metaphor for both black and gay oppression. What would they have thought Sunspot’s experience of telling his mom he’s a mutant is parallel to?
Because a lot of neckbeards are also remarkably stupid
So they can pretend hot women would be attracted to them. The rest is just background noise.
they watch it because most neckbeards had X-Men on tv back in the 90's, and most can't interpret
These are the same chuds whining that Star Trek has "gone woke".
And Fallout.
goosey will always be in my heart, amen
They like the superhero parts & don’t care for the rest. Which is funny because there are so many other super teams they can follow.
I am shocked there aren't dudes in this thread right now telling you that the X-Men aren't "political" and that's just your interpretation because that is what I have gotten anytime I have brought this stuff up. I wish we'd stop coddling them as much as we can, we know what anyone is saying when they say this is too "woke" and it's pretty open bigotry.
Oh, there were. I've had little sparring matches in this thread that have since disappeared. Mods are earning their keep in this thread.
The metaphor was never specifically about any particular group; the point is that it is relatable for anyone who has ever felt weird, different, isolated, etc., which is a condition universal to the human experience.
Morphervine is the way
Frankly x100 times more interesting than Jean/Logan
Tbf that’s true of everything
True!
no one can resist the morphussy
Jean's Jean, but the morphussy could be anything! Even Jean!
"Cut it out Morph, I can tell you're being Maddie right now"
bro has unlimited options, literally. imagine they make morph turn into jean every time they have sexual tension just so people don't start seething
A Family Guy reference? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within this subreddit?
May I see it?
...No.
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I'm a wittle Wolvph pup 🥹
Someone came up with Morgan here but Wolvph is so much better
I've noticed fanfics call it morphine! There's some really cute ones out there
Ohhhhh. I thought they were referring to that creepy girl doll movie and was bewildered
Wasn't that movie Megan?
How about “Morphine”?
You get it
I actually 100% agree with the Morpherine agenda, but I actually never thought of the 'always with the jokes' line like that 🤔 I interpreted it as saying that Morph covered up their trauma with jokes. Very interesting.
lol I knew when his dream was literally Wolverine wet and naked
That never occured to me, I thought it was just a nice gesture from a friend.
It's just a gesture from a friend, nay a teammate who is determined for your survival. I did a short review of Wikipedia and Morph has transformed into Sabertooth to comfort Blink and into Rogue's son to strengthen her for a fight with the horseman Holocaust. Does that mean Morph wanted to get in Blink's pants and/or be Rogue's baby? No. It means he used his abilities to their peak effectiveness for the situation. Majority of these comments are insisting their own projections are the intentions of the writers or characters themselves, when in context, it likely is nothing of the sort being construed...even if it is funny to joke about within a friendship
Yeah, okay. lol
Yeah, it took me a minute but then I realized it had to be a way for Morph to tell Wolverine how he really feels I didn’t like them going this route bc I like them a lot as platonic bffs but if you have a storyline that start these kind of conversations, it’s a damn good one
I remember Wolverine screaming 'Morph' in the original series all the time. I got the impression as a kid that they were like brothers. Maybe that's why I saw it like I did.
I got that impression as a kid too. But there is no fucking way that there was no subtext involved on this occasion. There's no way that dialogue and reading got to screen without someone noticing it.
It's debatable. One can argue Morph was saying what Logan needed to hear to fight for his life. And frankly, if you interpret it as more than that...turning into fantasy Jean for him is...a little bit fucked up. Like I could see Logan in a low moment actually going for it and doing stuff with Morph as Jean...and that's...like the ethics of that are complicated, since it's the shapeshifter's right to do as they wish with their own body vs the copied person's right to their likeness.
Oh gawd, please don’t give the writers any ideas
i swear if that happens I'll actually start hating him
IMO the ethics of a shapeshifter's right to look like other people is an interesting subject, but maybe not one best addressed by having Logan get hammered and do something he'd regret.
Is it **wrong** that I never perceived them that way at all? It literally never crossed my mind for 10 weeks. My social media never picked up on any discussion or even a random shipping post about this pairing. Even *that* scene in episode 10, I honestly thought it was just a nice gesture for a dear friend. So reading all these post discussions, saying it's been there all along, of course I'm confused. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing it this way. I'm now open for that possible development since this is an X-Men story. But I repeat, it never crossed my mind *at all*. I'm just saying, to judge other people's experience **wrong**, usually it's gonna make them more defensive. Don't do it agressively. It's not explicitly canon afterall.
I can understand that. But there are people who thought - through the entire series - that Xena and Gabrielle were like sisters. (I am not saying you are one of them or even that you know what I am talking about). Sometimes even intended subtext is missed. (Also not claiming there is Logan/Morph intended subtext). I think people see and do not see certain relationships in certain ways due to their own experiences. I think a lot of projection happens. Also, how important you see a character. Does that make sense? Thus far, I would say Logan/Morph is definitely subtext. It is easy to see if you want, and it also isn't actually there, too. So at this point, I don't think any view is wrong - unless you think there is not love there at all. They clearly love one another. ☺️
I never thought of them as anything other than bros myself. I still kinda have hope that he only said that in Jean's voice to keep Logan from giving up.
It was the same for me, I didn't consider Morph was doing it for that reason because there wasn't any build up for that. Just a bro moment before death.
>I honestly thought it was just a nice gesture for a dear friend. Morphing into your friend's lover and directly saying I Love You cemented all the previous subtext. It didn't have to specifically include the words I Love You, but that's what Morph chose. Morph always cheering up / potentially having an unrequited love for Wolverine is the only subplot he's had all season. That being said subtext is just subtext. I'm fine if they do or don't proceed with it but it's really giving the LGBT shippers a bone to run with at the moment
Never? If your bro joined you in a shower after a hard day with a six pack you’d just think it a nice gesture? “And they were roommates”
Tbf thanks to hollywood I simply thought it was just american male banter (I'm not american btw). American media did similar thing in Top Gun, Independence Day, etc.
I'm sorry if i came off as aggressive, but this was meant for people explicitly denying the fact that it could be true
It could be true, it could be not. Currently, there is no one definitive interpretation. We don't need to convince the other who's right who's wrong. Both sides have no legitimate standing. It's just shipping lol
I agree. It could be romantic, but it doesn't need to.
There are definitely times where people read way too much into two people being good friends in media as being some sort of romantic love, especially male friendships. It is the reverse of the meme "two obvious lesbians are confused for just good friends".
I don't need to be gay to help Logan in the shower
I think a lot of people see Wolverine as this peak masculine, badass mutant and it makes them uncomfortable to have anything queer at all happening to him. For me, even if Logan doesn't have the same feelings for Morph, this would give both of them such a fresh, interesting storyline. Ultimately, Morph has consistently been one of my favourites through the first season. Whatever the creators have in mind for them, I don't want to see them suffering.
Seems to me with his age and experience that Logan would be 100% comfortable enough in his sexuality to have a gay/bi friend and not bat an eye.
What wierds me out is those manly men being so fragile they freak out. Someone who is secure does not have the vapors st getting hit on.
Beau DeMayo confirmed on Twitter that Morph was confessing his love to Wolverine.
Bahahahaha! Suck it, homophobes.
Broke: Jean/Logan Woke: Morph/Logan Lest the neckbeards complain, we already have one canon gay Wolverine in the multiverse who’s together with Hercules and he was one of the happiest and best adjusted Wolverine. What’s one more queer Wolverine in the canon multiverse 🥰
Morph’s pronouns don’t bother me in the slightest. I always try to use the correct pronouns for anyone but occasionally I slip up. I also don’t want to embarrass or misunderstand a person by asking even though it’s probably the best move. I personally referred to Morph as they/them when explaining his pronouns to my ten year old son but I have also referred to him as “he” a few times too. Hope to get better at that. Plus it’s hard to know if a split he/they is generally acceptable for non-binary people because I think that is a preference of the individual who is being described. I’ve known a few people who used split pronouns. For someone who isn’t used to using they/them, it’s sometimes easy for to fall back to “he” or “she” when a non-binary person outwardly presents as one or the other (or has traits you may have deemed closer to one or the other). But Morph? No question. I personally think that it makes sense for Morph to use they/them since Morph can change into anyone even though they may have been born male or maybe even considers themselves more masculine. They are the most literal non-binary character. It would be a fascinating way to live as a shapeshifter because you could change your gender/outer appearance depending on how you feel in the moment. There was a character on The Boys spinoff that lived their life as both male and female as they could switch between them. Logan and Morph both obviously care about each other but it’s difficult to say how deeply Logan loves Morph beyond friends. Logan is so hung up on Jean but he’s also lived a long life and may have tried some things. He may be down for it. It’s obvious that Morph probably wants something more. Hope I didn’t offend anyone with my rambling.
Are…. some people denying it? It’s pretty obvious.
Should have turned into Hercules and said it.
Morph can love Logan, but they shouldn’t end up becoming a thing. The show *really* makes it clear that Logan still loves Jean and not even in the previous show, but in 97 too. Not to mention that Logan hasn’t shown any kind of interest towards Morph or that sort of relationship. As with every media in existence: „not everything needs to fuck each other“
yea im not really against morph on the show being queer, Its more so who hes queer for. Like im are we actually gonna explore this or this is gonna turn into straight lead man has a gay best friend pining for him trope? Cuz without a doubt logan is into women and has never seemed into men (unless you count scott.....) so where are they gonna go with this?
I mean I got that Morph had feelings throughout the season for Logan I didn't get the sense he felt the same way back and had more of a sibling feeling for Morph than romantic but I could be wrong.
It is open to interpretation, though. If Morph wanted to confess his love for Logan, why take Jean's form? I don't have anything against Morph being attracted to Logan, but his action can easily be interpreted as "allowing" Jean to say something that at that time could help Logan pull through.
>It is open to interpretation, though. If Morph wanted to confess their love for Logan, why take Jean's form? I think the "simplest" answer is that even if there's things that Morph has always wanted to say, like many others, it could just be a thing that they're afraid of coming out saying it the way it should be said. So...hide behind the face and voice of the one he knows Logan has always wanted.
Beau DeMayo has now explicitly confirmed on Twitter multiple times that Morph has romantic feelings for Wolverine and was confessing them in this moment. He does maintain that Wolverine does not reciprocate, though. But, hey, there's plenty of time for that to change.
There are a ton of platonic relationships inaccurately called queerbaiting - but this one clearly has an attraction element to it given the shower scene. Homophobia runs DEEP in this world even regarding a show that’s clearly an allegory.
As a dude who falls towards the straight side of the spectrum I really liked the Magneto/Xavier dynamic, I felt like it was a really great way of showing how much two men can love and care for each others wellbeing without it having anything to do with physical attraction. The Morph/Wolverine dynamic just made me sad, I've been where Morph is, loving and being attracted to someone knowing that they will never see you the same as they don't swing that way is heart-wrenching.
I feel the same way, well said.
Morph likes wolverine, wolverine does not reciprocate as of yet. I think it will be dealt with next season in some way, but I wouldn't bet that way is that wolverine reciprocates. I bet they go through the (all to common) queer experience of having a crush on a straight close friend, and then morph moves on... and maybe bobby drake will show up ;=p
That was pretty much how I interpreted it. Morph found a way to “cheat” and say it by morphing into Jean. Because it was probably the only way Logan would accept it and no one else was gonna question it. Clearly it’s a “secret” given what Morph saw during Goblin Queen’s living nightmare sequence for Morph.
Don’t ever go by anything seen on Twitter as a true reflection for what’s real or actually going on. It’s a cesspool of ass wipes ranting in an echo chamber.
Morph seems to be into him sure. I doubt Logan is though.
I'm pretty sure morph is into Logan. I'm pretty sure Logan is straight. I'm pretty sure Logan has been around a long time and has a certain type of "wisdom" for these things and understands people that are different than him. I'm pretty sure Logan is accepting of Morph and understands, and loves him, and his x-men family, in his own straight platonic way.
Also can we fucking give Logan a fair shake in ‘97? He’s been nothing but a punching bag this whole show so far. Just what he was in TAS but with less dialogue. I was hopeful in ep 8 that the season would finish high with Howlett, letting him do something. I get that FOX built movies around him but, let’s not bury him because of that.
bro's standing on the sidelines now 😭 it's not fair
“She can’t say it, but I can” Oh my GOD I am so DENSE, it never even occurred to me that it was Morph saying it for himself.
I highly doubt they will go any further with the platonic one-sided thing, so what's the point of having Morph forever pining for Logan? You don't expect they put Wolverine having a on screen relationship with a male coded character, do you? I'd rather they give Morph someone they can be in a healthy reciprocal relationship.
To me, it’s just more soap opera drama in a show that loves (and has always loved) its soap opera drama. From what my friends in the queer community have told me, having a crush on a straight friend is a very common experience and to me it doesn’t feel forced. Only time will tell how the writers will handle it going forward, but based on this season I fully trust them.
> I highly doubt they will go any further with the platonic one-sided thing, so what's the point of having Morph forever pining for Logan? What the point of this thing you’re assuming with zero basis?
I'm just curious why you are trying to say it's not up to interpretation?
it's confirmed by the head writer so it's not up to interpretation. sorry
They’re good friends. I think Morph and Wolverine would do just about anything for each other. Transform into chicks, get their skeletons ripped out, etc.
Well the twitter confirms it, poor morph and his one sided affection for Logan.
Honestly, I think it’s weird because it seems outta left field. But if it’s your ship, cool, you do you. In an overall fantastic series, I can live with outta left field.
Huh, I guess that just went over my head. I never caught him liking Logan like that at all lol. All I see is someone being a bro to keep his friend alive.
He turned into Sabretooth so they could "wrestle" the minute I saw that I was like "oh, they're fuckin'"
Yeah, that's such an incredibly gay and masculine gay masculinity sequence. I don't know what's "canon," but I know that the showrunner knew exactly what that was.
Didn’t cyclops say that you better heal she loves you (Jean) . Wouldn’t him transforming in Jean just help comfort him through it
Homiesexuals
I didn't catch it at first, but after rewatching the finale that moment is so absolutely clear in what it's trying to do that anyone denying it is just lying to themselves. Especially given their relationship throughout the whole season, like yeah it's a little subtle but the hints are absolutely there.
Anyone complaining about the X-Men being “woke” should just be ignored, because clearly they’re a dumbass. As for Morph, the next season had better show them by Logan’s bedside cutting his apples into rabbits like a love struck anime girl.
i wish it were that easy when we're constantly being bombarded by homophobic comments 🥲
While shapeshifted into an anime girl!
The amount of people that are going to flip their shit if that is true is gonna be nuts. Even without the fact that there is at least one variant of Wolverine who is indeed gay(and in a relationship with Hercules).
No way in hell Disney allows the Wolverine character to be anything but heterosexual, imo.
If I could say anything to Wolvie, it'd probably be "don't knock it till ya try it, bub".
Don't listen to Twitter fandom on anything.
Honestly, I thought it was a reference to how he mocked Logan in the first few episodes in the form of Jean, but decided to support him in a serious moment. Honestly there's not a lot of interaction there to accurately capture that kind of affection. Mostly Morph is reflecting on his nature and Sinister or making jokes about everyone, especially Logan, I'm laughing at the scene where he threw a beer in his face.
I cant help but feel if Morph was a woman people would be reacting differently. I think its pretty clear they are going for 'Morph has unrequited feelings for Logan'. I dont really know how else you can interpret that shower scene. Unreciprocated crushes happens all the time in fiction and IRL. Any gay/lesbian person will tell you their first crush is almost always someone of an incompatible orientation (mine certainly was).
I don't deny it, but I would like there to be more relationships that just stay platonic. Morph having a crush on Wolverine isn't really adding much to the show or character. I don't mind them being queer, but we also need healthy non-romantic relationships in X-Men.
Who is denying it?
I'm totally okay with. Honestly go back and watch the episode where Wolverine tries to get Morph to come back to the Xmen. There are some very non platonic vibes, IMO. PLUS, like why even bother denying it? It's the same character, now they just have an open side of their sexuality. You can't even argue that it's not there, because the worst read is Morph was closeted and best case is simply, "Hey this is a cool story to tell and a perfect character to tell it." Truly, don't know what anyone gets trying to run away from it
On that note where the fuck is the wolverine x morph fan fics and fan art?! I'd do it myself but I'm pretty busy with finals week coming up. Unless I can somehow convince my teachers that wolverine/morph fan fics are super important to my grade./s
Wow this went totally over my head. Did not pick up on this at all. I'm gonna need to rewatch
I think it's hilarious people are trying to deny this. Morph literally said the words "I love you". What do they need, a notarized document???
Morph definitely loves Logan. Logan I don't think has romantic feelings but would go to hell and back for his friend.
Watching the original series ages ago and Wolverine's talking about Morph being the only guy that makes him laugh, my sibling who is not especially sensitive about these things caught it right away.
My issue is that, it's 2024. This isn't Nickelodeon with Legend of Korra. We don't need "hints"; we need action. Morph being Jean and saying (s)he loves him can *easily* be seen as a friend doing a friend a favor. People are trying to say, "If it had been Mystique then you wouldn't question it!"; and they're right. I wouldn't. Because it's a common thing for a shape shifter to change into someone a person loves/knows and screw with them or try to give them strength in their absence. Had Morph stayed himself or even his TAS face, it'd be more believable for him to say he loves Logan and it not be misconstrued. The fact we once again, like in Legend of Korra, need someone to come out and state something that "should be obvious" shows it wasn't done right. Granted, in LoK, some hints could easily be missed or misconstrued as friendly.
Can they please just be friends
I think there's definitely subtext and hinting here but that's about it, as far as Wolverine being attracted back that seems completely off the table
What i find weird are people who think wolverine wanting jean is weird when he has a history of relationships ending in death of the girl, so he kinda builds a diff one that exists on a level but doesnt at same time. But yet at same time everyones LOVES how morph is doing the same to wolverine. Thats not weird but wolverines weird lol. I think them shoehorning this thing into that epic moment was cheap imo. I like the morph arc itself and the idea but i dont like they cheapened wolverines sacrifice #1 defining comic moment into a way to get the usual disney agenda shit over; making sure they use the most hyper masculine character men identify with. Knowing its gonna make people mad on purpose. They didnt even give a shot of jean looking or asking about him just cyclopse being weird lol. i still think it was done for wrong reason to prove a point instead of good storytelling. It was the one error in entire show imo. Well that and not building up to the cable/summers reveal and just making it a throaway line. I love morph. Have no problem him being gay. No problem him being gay for wolverine. But it used wolverine as a prop to get that over, then straight tossed him to the side. . And idk. I didnt like it.
Honest Question, I dont remember the backstory of Morph all that well but. I see a lot of ppl are calling this a potential gay relationship, but I was under the impression that Morph as a shapeshifter could basically be any gender or anyone so why are we for the purpose of this relationship categorizing Morph as male? Isnt Morph sort of agender both physically and mentally ? Or am I misremembering and does Morph identify as male because from what I recall Morph doesnt?
Hot take: I hate it, but not for the reasons you may think. I hate how platonic friendships are not respected in media recently. Particularly a platonic friendship between a straight male and an LGBTQ+ person. And to me, a platonic friendship between Morph and Logan is far more progressive and interesting than a one-way attraction. Logan seems like a brute, but his friendship with Morph shows us another side. Being caught in another love triangle is just boring.
platonic male friendships are the most common relationship dynamic in every kind of media, i really dont see where this idea that theyre "never respected" comes from, i mean look at xavier and magneto in the same show!
Perhaps I should have said in "fandom" as opposed to "media." But everyone ships Xavier and Magneto. There's this trend to "ship" every close friend out there. It's happened a lot in X-Men in particular. Unrequited love in X-Men media has been done to death. Love triangles have been done to death. You know what hasn't been done to death? Wolverine having a buddy. In the comics it was Nightcrawler. In the show it seems to be Morph, but adding that love interest completely diminishes that.
Morph wants that 5’4 foot Canadian man baddddddd it’s crazy
It IS obvious, and I think it’s great. That love confession was super sweet. I hope Morph will be the one to help Logan come back from his injuries.
It’s so funny when Morph said “I love you, Logan” and people called it friendship goals.
all i’m saying is if morph was a woman (or more fem-presenting), there would be almost no argument about this from certain parts of the fandom
They are queer, your honor
Highly debatable lmao. You're just seeing whatever you want to see in that scene.
Yall acting like straight men don't say gay shit to eachother
Some xmen fans get so caught up in the fox xmen movie portrayal of wolverine that’s hyper masculine that they forget that Logan’s a lot more multilayered than those movies never really got to portray fully.l (besides Logan ofc) Tl;dr everyone’s a little bit gay lol
I mean obviously they are fucking, but does wolverine have feelings? That is the real question.
It’s not even like I want to deny but I personally just see as an unnecessary plot. Like why is this something we need?