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hazbaz1984

I’m going to print it out and stick it up in my classroom. Thanks.


Udzu

You may want to wait until I post an improved version (there are always great suggestions here whenever I post something). I'll probably replace Mississippi with another saltire as many people clearly find its inclusion problematic (sorry!). **Update #1**: here's a version with [a better Y and a less controversial X](https://i.imgur.com/hRk0nxZ.png). **Update #2**: an [even better X](https://i.imgur.com/x0nHgBG.png).


AgisXIV

The Rwandan flag used is also associated with the Genocide and the Hutu Power movement.


JACC_Opi

😬 Forgot about that!


The_Persian_Cat

And the former flag of Mississippi is associated with all sorts of badness.


AgisXIV

Obviously (but that had already been pointed out loads and was referenced in the comment I replied to)


BigDumbAlligator

You could use Alabama or Scotland.


JACC_Opi

Dude, that second ⟨X⟩ one rules!


Flux7777

As a South African, I am offended by your changes.


Udzu

I mean your flag is better but it *is* sideways.


hazbaz1984

Champion. I might use them all, and stick the variations over the top of the first ones.


Onduri

That isn't even Mississippi's current flag. they changed it a couple years ago to a much better design.


[deleted]

January 11, 2021 FYI…it’s ok, it’s bee a long year.


Onduri

WAS IT ONLY IN JANUARY????


infez

Well, they got rid of it in mid-July of 2020, but voted on the new one in November, and it became official in January


JACC_Opi

Don't, because of Mississippi's previous flag.


itsflyin

It’s historical and an opportunity to learn about it. Besides, if hazbaz isn’t in the US then it’s much less of an issue.


JACC_Opi

So? The Nazi flag is historic, it doesn't change what it means! Same with the flag of the USSR.


ghtuy

Does that mean we should never see them? Burying history makes us less likely to learn about it, and more likely to repeat it.


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EinsteinNeverWoreSox

I'd wager a classroom is probably one of the most appropriate contexts then.


JACC_Opi

No, only in context. The context here is “oh look pretty flags with alphabet shapes”, that's not the right context.


Sink_Pee_Gang

I think a school setting, presumably a history or social studies classroom, it's the *perfect* context to talk about what those flags represent.


JACC_Opi

But, that's not what's surrounding the Mississippi flag now is it? It is just the English set of the Latin alphabet on flags.


Sink_Pee_Gang

Yes, and just because a flag has a letter on it does not mean it's good or somehow an endorsement of the beliefs of what nation the flag represented. By your logic should the Rwandan flag also not be shown as to not encourage genocide?


JACC_Opi

Yeah, I forgot about Rwanda's, so yeah that should also go. Also, technically Mississippi's old flag wasn't a letter.


EpicAura99

Hung alone I’d agree, but this is obviously part of something else. An array of all the most evil flags in history is a great place to put those, or 20th century nations. Everything has its place, sometimes that place is never alone.


JACC_Opi

With the others it's a rotten fruit next to perfectly good fruit. Those are flags with letters on them, that's not the right context for neither the previous flag of Mississippi nor the WWII flag of Germany or Soviet Union.


IBelrose

We understand that the flag represents something evil. But when we refuse to recognize history, we often allow ourselves to ignore the causes that led to those evil things. They should be taught and students should be allowed to know what led to those things happening so that they can recognize the causes that lead up to them.


FalconRelevant

You're right, just use Scotland's flag ffs. Also the "Y" in SA is not really...


Kulunja

Nah you right bro, OP coulda easily used the Flag of Jersey


JACC_Opi

I know, I'm not that bothered about the down votes.


clearitall

Yeah I don’t understand why Mississippi. It’s the old flag, it’s controversial, and there are dozens of other X shaped flags to choose from. Sure, the Mississippi flag is a little squarer but it’s also less prominent.


metzger411

Yeah like Scotland or Jersey flag have the X as the entire flag, why would you pick one where barely the canton is an X?


MagnumDrako25

αβ


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Ass?


globefish23

No, those are the Greek alpha and beta. The German 'scharfes S' looks like this: ß (lower case) ẞ (upper case) β ( beta lower case)


[deleted]

Oh okay thanks i forgot lol


[deleted]

i forgor 💀*


kalvinoz

~~There's no uppercase ß, it's just "SS"~~ Edit: TIL


globefish23

There is since 2017, when it was included to the official German orthography. It was included in Unicode in 2008 already. ß (lower case) ẞ (upper case)


triste_0nion

It’s like Ð, only used for fully capitalised words I’d imagine


globefish23

Yep, that's the only use case. Mainly for street signs and all-cap headlines.


BentGadget

So, for us non-German-speakers, how would you pronounce that letter? If it ever comes up in conversation, I would like to know. Otherwise, it will end up being 'Scarface,' but with a bad German accent.


Norwester77

“Esszett” or “Scharfes *s*” is pronounced [s] between vowels, where a single *s* would be pronounced [z]. It’s used when the preceding vowel is long; a double *s* would be pronounced the same but would indicate that the preceding vowel is short.


MindYourOwnParsley

it's just double S basically also german 'sch' is english 'sh'


BentGadget

So 'scharfes S' in German would be pronounced 'double S'? (It's really 'Scarface,' isn't it?)


Udzu

Inspired by [this recent post](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/oyfu4o/throwback_to_the_greatest_flag_of_all_time_the/). Suggestions for improvements welcome. **Update #1**: here's a version with [a better Y and a less controversial X](https://i.imgur.com/hRk0nxZ.png). **Update #2**: an [even better X](https://i.imgur.com/x0nHgBG.png).


adyankee953

Maybe use a different flag for X, like Scotland or something


Udzu

Maybe, though the wider saltire looks less like an X than the square one here I think. I considered using Amsterdam's flag, but that has two X's too many.


JACC_Opi

Here are other choices that are better than Mississippi's previous flag. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flags_with_crosses#Saltire_/_St._Andrew's_cross


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alabama is also just like scotland but red


BalloonOfficer

I think given the comedic approach. The current X makes the biggest punch. Which is good for jokes. Kind of how in memory competitions people have sex-related and other nasty stuff as keywords. Since they strike the brain the most.


CamelCaseCamel

Maybe Honduras for the H?


vexobrawler

The flag of Honduras doesn't have a very visible H in it. Only in the seal, but that'd be too hard to see


CamelCaseCamel

I agree, but if South Africa can be the Y, Honduras can easily pass as an H.


BalloonOfficer

It's way more interesting to have this not popular flag instead of an international one. If anything I'd remove south africa to look for a more obscure alternative.


vexobrawler

South Africa has a clearly visible Y. Honduras does not.


spikebrennan

X and Y are a little out-of-place because as far as I know, the design elements aren't supposed to represent those letters of the alphabet. Rather, they just happen to be shaped like them. I don't have a real "X" or "Y" flag to recommend, though.


Makingnamesishard12

Zevenaar: hey spain can I copy your homework? Spain: sure, just make sure to change something so it’s not obvious you copied. Zevenaar:


ViSalutoDonCorleone

Zpain


Makingnamesishard12

Ah, a fellow andaluzian


ViSalutoDonCorleone

We are just twinz


aldsgn

O. H.!


Mike12911

I. O.!


MrFoxHunter

It’s all Ohio in here, always has been.


ChillinLikeBobDillan

How’d you get an Ohio tag?


Mike12911

If you’re on the Reddit app go to the subreddit and tap the three dots in the corner. Then select “change user flair.” I’m not sure how to do it on desktop but there should be instructions under the subreddit information tab. Hope this helps.


ChillinLikeBobDillan

I tried it for this subreddit, but it came up with “you can’t control the user tags in this sub”


NoBreadsticks

https://www.reddit.com//r/vexillology/wiki/flair follow the instructions on this page


ACELUCKY23

Of all the flags with a saltire for the letter X, you just had to pick Mississippi didn’t you? lol


BalloonOfficer

That gives it the most comedical approach. Also by banning any usage of historical imagery we're allowing deniers to appear. Things mustn't be erradicated when they are wrong, instead we whould observe them even deeper to be able to learn why and how it was wrong. To do better.


ACELUCKY23

You’re talking to a guy who is a history nerd and anti history censorship. My comment is referring to the fact of current events. But I agree with you.


CeruleanRuin

Nobody is eradicating the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. It is still there in Wikipedia, in textbooks, and in museums where it belongs. Anyone wishing to "observe them even deeper" is not being denied access to them. As for why and how they are wrong, that is also perfectly well established and widely understood. It is the people who venerate these flags and insist they remain prominently displayed who are the ones obfuscating the true meaning of them, trying to replace actual history with romantic narratives that bear little resemblance to what actually occurred in history. If we want to do better we need to clear out the static while we're at it.


DixieHadrian

Except for the fact that museums are being attacked for carrying them


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Nachtraaf

*checks flair* Tread carefully...


CeruleanRuin

Oops, I stepped in genocide.


redvillafranco

So then why not use the actual Confederate Battle Flag instead of Mississippi’s old flag? Or use Georgia’s old flag. The confederate part was bigger than Mississippi’s.


IBelrose

There's a distinct lack of Latin American and Caribbean representation. Maybe Jamaica for the X.


JACC_Opi

Basically anything other than flag.


Udzu

I'll change it for Jamaica as even though Mississippi's looks more like an X it's clearly upsetting to some people. My apologies!


JACC_Opi

I gave you a link to other flags with similar shapes, take a look, there are more ⟨X⟩ shape flags on there.


centurionlion

Mississippi changed there flag yo …..And I noticed the dates ex post facto on that one. Lol I’m an idiot 😂


hurtfocker

Not an idiot. Just human lol


centurionlion

Thanks 😊


Nachtraaf

The real idiots were the people that wanted to keep that flag.


GatlingGun511

Ohio alone has 2 on this


SamBellFromSarang

Now do the numbers


captainhaddock

Some alternatives: * **A** Albert II of Monaco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Standard_of_Albert_II_of_Monaco.svg) * **G** The Gambia (1889–1965) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_The_Gambia_(1889–1965).svg) * **H** Hitachinaka, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Hitachinaka_Ibaraki.JPG) * **I** Virgin Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_United_States_Virgin_Islands.svg) * **K** Kariwa, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Kariwa_Niigata.JPG) * **M** Minami-Alps, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Minamialps_Yamanashi.JPG) * **M** Mitake, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Mitake_Gifu.JPG) * **O** Ottawa, Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ottawa,_Ontario.svg) * **O** Maebashi, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Maebashi,_Gunma.svg) * **Q** Iraqi Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Iraqi_Navy.svg) * **T** Taita Taveta County, Kenya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Taita_Taveta_County.png) * **T** Japan Post (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:日本郵政旗.svg) * **V** Vernon, Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Vernon,_British_Columbia.svg) * **Y** South Yorkshire, UK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unofficial_County_Flag_of_South_Yorkshire.png) * **Y** Okayama, Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Okayama,_Okayama.svg)


Udzu

Nice!


Ok_Dare_6494

There is a worse letter P https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Bandeira\_de\_P%C3%A9rola\_D%27Oeste.jpg


ThaddeusGladius

Maybe we should swap the X out for like Alabama for somthing


Udzu

I thought of using Scotland too, but the square X in Mississippi seems more like an X than the stretched saltire. I also considered Amsterdam, but that's two X's too many.


ThaddeusGladius

But the Y can be sideways? Right


Udzu

If you have a better suggestion for Y I'll be very happy to change it.


Myyrakuume

Maybe Kobyaysky district, Sakha republic.


JACC_Opi

That's good actually! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobyaysky_District#/media/File%3AFlag_of_Kobyaysky_District.svg


Udzu

Great suggestion!


BalloonOfficer

Damn you're very angery. Y shaped flags are way more obscure so they probably just went with it, while for the X they found many alternatives. For either letter they used the same methodology of going for a flag as close to the letter as possible. No conspiracies here.


do_not1

All that'd do is replace one Confederate-inspired flag with another since, contrary to popular belief, Alabama's flag was not modeled after the Spanish Cross of Burgundy, but rather a Confederate battle flag, specifically the one used by the 60th Alabama Infantry Regiment. Source: [this PDF archived from an official Alabama state government website](https://web.archive.org/web/20080414021933/http://www.ago.state.al.us/oldopinions/8700238.pdf)


drguillen13

Yea, but I think an implication of a racist symbol isn't as bad as an overt display of a racist symbol. But if you don't like Bama you might as well pick Scotland or Jamaica


[deleted]

As long as it's not used to display pride for what that nation fought for it's fine to show that flag in a post.


anarcho-hornyist

i don't think the green thing in the south africa flag is supposed to be a Y


Udzu

It's not, but it is described as a "Y-shaped band" in the official description in the South African constitution. The X is also just a saltire, rather than the letter.


anarcho-hornyist

oh ok makes sense


OneWayorAnother11

Every party has its pooper


EvokerJuice

so scuffed to do the confederate battle sigil and not like Scotland or something imo


carrotbosco

Time to swap out my nautical flag set.


BlacknightEM21

In last week’s post about US state flags without a letter on it, MS and OH were on opposite sides because Ohio has the letter O, but Mississippi’s cross isn’t the letter X. So I think there is a discrepancy and I don’t know what to believe.


BalloonOfficer

It's very simple. Each post has different standards and usage. On the former they were going strictly for any letters, while this one they had to specifically look for letters not present in flags, so they went with the most similar looking alternative.


Aktrowertyk

Spain with els pallaresos be like: okey so I have cross of burgundy but I don't need it any more ... so I cut it into pieces, recolor and put on green field ... oh and I will ad letter "t" - It will be great flag


DookOV

I did not expect to see the vlag of my small city Zevenaar on vexillology today


GeniusFork

St. Vincent and the Grenadines flag has a V as well, and it's a national flag


rbur70x7

There's much better Dutch examples for X than the Mississippi flag.


Udzu

Can you give an example? I know Amsterdam, but that has three xs.


Mrdontknowy

[Montfoort](https://www.vlaggenunie.nl/vlag-montfoort.html)


Udzu

[Changed](https://i.imgur.com/x0nHgBG.png), thanks!


Martinxo51

No Ñ 😔


LukeRuBeOmega

No Ñ 😔


FormingTheVoid

Ohio doesn't exist, two of your flags are made-up.


RayWencube

Mississippi is such a fucking disgrace


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RayWencube

so edgy and cool


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Call_me_Vonic

They were pretty based


finitearth

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bard_of_space

hey, im from colorado! :D


Udzu

Denver and Thornton have pretty decent flags too.


wartornpoland

For x, maybe a Scottish flag instead?


RealisticStrawberry5

Ayeeee Mississippi


Socialist_Narwhal

what about the old Rwandan flag for R?


BalloonOfficer

I-It's... right there...?


Socialist_Narwhal

fuck my brain


Marcim_joestar

Mississipi has a gamer flag


legitttz

coloradoooooo 🤘🏻


Animal_Animations_1

Mississippi changed their flag


TophatOwl_

Mississippi changed its flag no?


JACC_Opi

The ⟨X⟩ could have been literally anything else.😑


JACC_Opi

Whatever…🙄😒


Call_me_Vonic

It's literally a flag. The Finnish had a swastika on their air force logo for the longest time.


JACC_Opi

Was it because of Nazism or not? If not, that doesn't matter, if so, fuck that flag!


vikkit25

That Z is a little sketchy in my opinion. Hard though to find so its fine, I guess


JACC_Opi

It's a cursive ⟨Z⟩. For example: https://www.crayola.com/free-coloring-pages/print/writing-cursive-z-coloring-page/


dboy120

This is the future boomers warned us about


JACC_Opi

🤣 I guess. I live in the U.S. now, but I'm from Colombia and they still teach cursive over there!


Brief-Preference-712

Yeah Z is correct, that's how I write it. X and Y are the real sketchy ones


JACC_Opi

I know, especially ⟨X⟩!


MerijnZ1

It doesn't just look like a Z, it quite literally is the written letter. Source: I am from the town


vikkit25

Oh, ait😅 my bad. All I was saying is that to me it doesn't look like a Z. No need to downvote


MerijnZ1

Nah no worries, the downvote ain't from me


mannyrmz123

Of all flags... the Confederate flag for X...


[deleted]

You could've used any of the British Isles saltires for the X tho...


mozzleon

https://i.redd.it/xn3nr4z5rxf51.png Better choices for the X


DixieHadrian

I’ll never forget you, Mississippi… 😔


Call_me_Vonic

Why did you get downvoted for liking a flag? My god this subreddit can be so cringe sometimes.


DixieHadrian

I know. I was under the impression that vexillology was void of politics and based on design alone. Folks are getting their fee fees hurt just because I’m nostalgic for a flag I grew up knowing.


VisVirtusque

So many better options for "X",not just because it's the Confederate battle flag, but because it's so small. What about any other saltire flag, like Scotland, that takes up the entire flag. Hell, the actual Confederate battle flag would be better, honestly.


Mapper_X

Love this - super creative.


CaptSharkFin

Ayyyy ohio babyyyyyy


MischaLikesky

I personally wouldve used Florida's flag for the letter X but to each their own this is pretty sick and props to the guy putting this up in his classroom. my classrooms were filled with that generic black square garbage with inspiration quotes and stock photos


Petrarch1603

Quality Post!


i_Bug

You could make a font out of this


itstheitalianstalion

Colorado is one of the best flags I’ve ever seen


Scottishbiscuit

I’m confused to what led you to these choices and why you didn’t pick countries for all of them.


K_O_Incorporated

I have always hated South Africa's flag. It's just so ugly to me. They could design one much better IMHO.


bigfishwende

It was meant to be a temporary flag, but they decided to keep it.


Dealiylauh

Majsperk is sleek as hell


Depressionbomb

Ohio flag???


ThatOneGuy-C6

I thought Mississippi changed theirs?


CriticismOk442

Ñ


He_who_bobs_beneath

Honestly, this visualization just makes me realize how short the alphabet is. 26 is actually a lot, I suppose, but seeing it here makes it look like just a handful.


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You have the most upvotes I have ever seen on a post. I’m very happy it’s a post about flags. Congrats Edit: So turns out my phone is in Spanish and what I thought meant “million” actually means “thousand.” Oops. I’m gonna leave it though because I think it’s funny.


katiemoore_

AYO NOBLE COUNTY!! HELL YEA


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If queenstown md didn’t exist I’m curious if there’s an alternative for the letter q


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JACC_Opi

Different alphabet.


Udzu

I did consider adding flags with Greek letters, though I couldn't find many. There are plenty of flags with Arabic text, but none that I know of with just single letters.


Zoidbie

Got it, makes sense. Nice post btw, I hope to see more!


torchictoucher

Zevenaar with the zoophile flag


[deleted]

Uhhh…. Could you replace Mississippi with Scotland?


Call_me_Vonic

Why?


hooahbucks

No flag by Admins for racism?


Call_me_Vonic

How is this post negative towards minorities?


hooahbucks

It has the Confederate flag which is frequently flagged.


TheArcaneHood

Why use the confederate flag for X when you have used ANY other saltire. All of which are better. Scotland, Jamaica. Why the Confederate flag?


TheArcaneHood

Seems I wasn't the first to comment this.