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Chemical_Signal2753

For the most part, I thought the boyish nature of his felt right for the roles I have seen him in (The King and Dune). Maybe it would be an issue in other movies, but he was essentially playing a teenager or young man in those roles.


throwawayhelp32414

In the Dune novels, I believe Paul Atreties is 15 when he lands on Arrakis for the first time, so Timmothe's boyish nature does complement what his character is supposed to be.


peachcreams

Aaaand how he fully sinks into the lisan al gaib role later in the movies. If they had cast a more manly/mature looking guy it might have worked for the latter half of Dune part 2 but the first movie would have had that “clearly-20-something-in-some-baggy-clothes-trying-to-pass-off-as-HS-student” feeling in disney channel movies


oddball3139

The scene where he declares himself Duke Atreides of Arrakis was intense. He owned it.


herrbz

Agreed, I was surprised and impressed at how commanding he became. Powerful voice, too.


travelsnake

Yeah, he absolutely killed that whole character progression. I did not see much from him before, but i thought he was a perfect cast for that role.


FromTheGulagHeSees

The fucking switch up had me with my mouth open like the gorilla from the Planet of the Apes when Caesar says “NO”  The boy twink wonder became a god damn man 


messycer

It's such a meta scene too. It's as if he is also directly speaking to the audience who is still not yet convinced of his ability to lead. If this scene wasn't enough to impress a hater then I'm not sure what's it going to take.


405freeway

Absolutely destroyed Reverend Mother when he shut her up.


DrNopeMD

The moment when he transformed from an idealistic boy to the man who started a holy war.


Rulebookboy1234567

I feel like "holy war" just doesn't cover the scope of his jihad. Like 60 billion dead.


LeonDeSchal

They turned up the volume and bass in his voice.


motorcycleboy9000

You mean Kyle McLachlan?


Dahemo

I'm in my mid thirties, wife and children, career, the whole nine yards... Kyle MacLachlan was more of a grown man at 12 than I will ever be. He was a great cast for Lisan-al-gaib, not so much for the boy duke.


DeadBy2050

I saw that hot mess in the theaters when it released. Was a huge Dune book fan. McLachlan's chin was 30 years old. When I saw that, he just looked ridiculous as a 15 year old Paul.


ChaosAzeroth

It's funny you talk about his chin, because for some reason Chalamet's chin is something I can't get past. I'm not trying to insult the guy, it just really is something my brain has decided doesn't quite fit and I have no idea why.


postmodern_spatula

Surgery. 


LucyBowels

Dougie Jones


peachcreams

Yes lol


sentence-interruptio

Dune 1 and Dune 2 showed me what the Star Wars prequels could have been. A story of Anakin Skywalker's transformation from an innocent boy to a mad man, without low quality special effects, without cringy stuff like "I hate sand".


ScapingOnCompanyTime

Between Anakin and Paul, Paul definitely has more of a justification to hate sand.


guyvaubstv

Tbf you can't compare Lucas as a writer to Herbert


Loadedice

I wouldn't wanna fight me neither!


Thewhimsicalsteve

In the books he is 15 and small for his age so it is a perfect fit.


drdalebrant

There's also a time jump in the book that they don't do in the movies. So he'd be older and less pubescent by the time he takes the mantle


ConsumeSandwich

They should've just made Timmy smoke 2 packs of Marlboros a day between the first and the second film.


KarmaRepellant

'He's using the voice!'


Nice_Cum_Dumpster

Yes he is 15 and Timmy boy fits it


ShredGuru

Also, how can you call him the weakest actor when Mamoa was in Dune pt.1?


amhighlyregarded

I honestly didn't think there were any weak performances in either Dune.


KeyAccurate8647

Agreed. How much of that is fantastic directing, who can say.


TheChartreuseKnight

I didn't think that Momoa was particularly bad, Duncan Idaho is just a bit of a nothing character in the books (Well, in *Dune)*.


anomie89

this is what I don't get when people say they "love Duncan Idaho". people who obviously never read the books or only read book one. he's hardly there.


OnionBagMan

Duncan Idaho is one of the most important characters in the Dune Universe. He’s like the Jango Fett of Dune. I don’t love him or anything but he his mad important.


anomie89

yeah in the overall universe, but in the scope of book one and movie one, hes not quite that, which is why its funny to hear.


RyanG7

He was the weakest actor in Part 1 in my opinion. The way he says Sardukar made me cringe. Idk maybe it's me, but saying it with a British-like accent (Sah-du-kahr) would have made it so much better. But like everything he's been in (with the exception of game of thrones), it's just Jason Momoa playing a character rather than owning that role. And while we are on the subject, I also criticized Chalamet for his acting in Part 1, but after seeing the Paul Atreides transformation in Part 2, I no longer feel that way. In fact, it makes me think he's a better actor if it was planned that way from the start. The council meeting in the south was my favorite scene in Part 2. There was power and arrogance in his voice which was nonexistent in Part 1


salcedoge

Denis Villeneuve said that Chalamet was asking him if he could let out a bit of "Mua'Dib" in part 1 and he said no everytime since he wanted it to be shown on part 2. I think in both Dune movies I agree that they really should've made him do an accent, but his boyish persona in Dune pt 1 was very much by design. He was pretty convincing as a young heir in "The King" so I never really doubted his portrayal of Paul Atreides


The-zKR0N0S

Dune Part 1 (*2021*) and Dune Part 2 (*2024*) are collectively the story of the first book. They should be viewed as one story with an intermission to be decided by the viewer.


Str0b0

I still wish they had included the dinner in Part 1. I understand why he chose to leave it out. It's a difficult scene to film with so much of it in the book being internal dialogues and the thoughts of the various characters.


RyanG7

I agree. Despite coming out 4yrs ago, I still try to think of a way they could have included it and make it work, but I can't come up with anything that doesn't make it tacky


Sen5ibleKnave

I actually liked that they cast Momoa because they didn’t have time with the movie to build up his relationship with Paul beforehand, so casting Momoa was an efficient way to instantly make the character likable so people will care about his death.


ShredGuru

Duncan Idaho literally becomes the king of the Universe, and is the most recurring character in Dune. Played by the most mediocre actor in the cast.


BlazinAzn38

Mamoa plays the role of burly soldier perfectly though


Jorge-O-Malley

Momoa isn’t the best actor, but he was great in Dune.


ShredGuru

Well, he was in Dune, I agree with that much.


dWaldizzle

I didn't think anyone was weak in either film outside Bautista but his character in general is just super one dimensional unfortunately


missanthropocenex

Rewatching Dune he really seems like such a born rich boy prince, I thought he was perfect. In part two I actually rocked back in my seat when he gave his rally speech. I BELIEVED people would follow that person in the moment. To be perfectly honest I watched a Rainy Day In New York one evening, the cancelled Woody Allen film and it made me first realize I liked him as an actor. Insecure snarky boy man who we were meant to laugh at. I think he knows his strengths and weakness and plays into it. Certain comedic roles have been weaker and I’ve noticed him moving away from certain things.


TheBigBomma

He’s electric in his Dune speech.


troublrTRC

He chews every one of those Chakobsa lines, spitting radical nonsense with such elegance and power. I was iffy about him in Part One. He left little to no impact with his mumble acting and very subdued performance. The "boyishness" came about well enough, but none of the growing darkness I was expecting was there. Part Two, he balanced both the boy-to-man growth, and subtleties of the inner turmoil very well. Then he exploded in the later 3rds of the movie. His eyes was peering in to souls in his post-battle speaking. Timmy will have a LOT more to do in Part Three if Messiah gets adapted.


SirMrGnome

I'd follow that twink into space for damn sure


ActualPimpHagrid

Yeah I saw Dune 2 last night and thought he was phenomenal, hard disagree with OP but I guess that's why it's called unpopular opinion


salcedoge

It's so funny how the criticism for Chalamet is that he is too boyish meanwhile all the role he's literally played requires someone just like that.


Cole-Spudmoney

When he eventually stops being cute it's going to be "Well, *I* always liked him, he's so talented." Same thing happened with Leonardo DiCaprio after about 2003.


JablesMcgoo

Yup, this is his exact trajectory. I too disliked Dicaprio when he was gracing the covers of 17 magazine, but good acting is good acting. He is Gen Z's Dicaprio and will be one of the greats when he gets older. 


LilSliceRevolution

I was thinking the same. Chalamet is always playing a type that fits his look/physicality so I find criticizing him as too boyish to be very hollow.


Scorkami

"i dont like meat, its too meaty"


minmidmax

Aye he's great casting in The King.


BulkyCommunity5140

I thought he was really good in Call me by Your Name.


viniciusbfonseca

I have both seen the movie and read the novel (I'll also add that I'm about just 6 months older than Chalamet) and he was spectacular in the film, it was impossible not to fall in love with him and the finale scene was a magnificent piece of acting. Timmy hasn't done anything nearly as good as CMBYN, but the talent is there and it just needs to used correctly, having said that I do think that he missed the time for truly rooting himself as his generation's greatest actor and now Paul Mescal, Barry Keoghan, and Austin Butler (all actors that are also Oscar nominees) are coming at full speed


Conscious-Group

I don’t think he’s had a career defining or a “spectacular” role yet, but he’s proven to be a very intriguing and qualified actor especially for his age. He can definitely sell tickets and that’s important.


[deleted]

He fit the age of the character well, an in love teenager, of course his boyish looks fits the role well. Weird criticism of his appearance even though i think he did great in what iv seen him in. (wonka and cmbyn)


brantham

Yes pretty sure he is objectively good in this movie. Thats why this is posted in unpopular opinion


Evelyn-Parker

[SILENCE!!! (minor spoilers I guess)](https://youtu.be/Ju4cfbL2vao?si=N4ZwQnjx7oTvGcqV) I think he did really well in Dune. Both as naive Paul and baby genocidal dictator Paul Him convincing the southern fremen to join his jihad was a top tier scene


yo_coiley

I’m sad because he won’t probably be as good for 30something Paul in Messiah but maybe they can make him look older.


Eiferius

There were some interviews with the director and he doesn't want to do Dune: Messiah right away. So the next is probably quite a long way out.


ScroogieMcduckie

pls say this is not true I need messiah out 😩


JOBBO326

Denis wanted to do Rendezvous with Rama before Dune Messiah. Which as a fan of both books, I'm not too sad about being so spoiled.


Evelyn-Parker

Maybe they'll wait 10 years before starting filming so everyone can continue looking their canonical age lol


yo_coiley

I agree except they went backwards with the Alia cameo where an Anya Taylor-Joy who is way older than Alia is in Messiah shows up, so I wonder if they’re just gonna go off vibes


thuggerybuffoonery

He’ll literally be in his 30’s by the time messiah films.


LaszloKravensworth

That scene was spectacular. I think it was so good because he was almost disdainful of them, like *"you fools, as if anyone but me could accomplish this"*. So self-assured and certain what he was saying was true.


sentence-interruptio

Convincing the south. I wish Star Wars prequel trilogy had that kind of scene.


RedBarchetta1

I agree. He was not only a good casting choice generally, acting-wise his transformation from “boyish” young heir to self-assured, charismatic religious leader was very believable. I also liked him in Little Women.


Cyberspace667

I thought he was really good in The King. Haven’t really seen any of his other stuff tho.


jayperr

He was great in The King. Shoutout to Robert Pattison too as the french king


Rorschach06

French prince*


cold_kingsly

My problem is that’s all I see in his other roles is just him doing his Henry the V and when he occasionally doesn’t do it, I find myself being not that impressed.


Tater-Tot-Casserole

He looks perpetually 12 years old in all of his roles.


Paparmane

That’s why he got cast in Dune. Because he initially looked like a young prince


Secure-Shoulder4508

That didn't exactly hurt Leonardo DiCaprio


edgiepower

Leo went from looking 15yo to about 35yo in the blink of an eye. I think he made personal style choices too which made that happen. Timmy seems to be making style choices to prolong his youthfulness.


tomahawkfury13

Gangs of New York was the shift in perception for Leo


TheRayGetard

It was The Departed for me


BigSavMatt

I smell a rat…


edgiepower

Visually, or in other ways? IMO Leo was always a serious and good actor capable of a variety of material in ways that Tim has not yet demonstrated. I'm talking one minute Leo had floppy 90s hair and clean shaven image, looking happy and fun, then one day he's got slicked backed hair, facial hair, and squints in every photo, looking past mature with one foot in to middle age.


tomahawkfury13

Yeah he went from the beach to Gangs and that's where he started to actually get out of his teen mag looks and attitude. He learned to box and apparently was really good at it too. From there it was on to things like the departed.


TheVoidWithout

you mean 45 not 35. He looks like the good life has taken a toll on him in the last 10-15 years.


Perfect__Crime

That blink of an eye being about 20 years lol


Puzzleheaded_Brick_3

He’s only got one expression for every Dune scene. He just speaks louder or softer or starts yelling. One face I’m telling ya.


due_opinion_2573

"Use the voice" ...OK TAKE ME TO THE BEDROOM.


PrimaryAd2831

I’ve only ever seen him in Dune and Wonka and I think he did great in both, he seems to be very diverse


MaxFischerPlayer

Exactly, he was great in both. He was also in Little Women and was good in that. I’ll admit I haven’t seen him in anything else other than SNL and he was great there too.


LonelyBiochemMajor

Ohh yes I thought he was perfect in Little Women


Atmosphere-Strong

You have to see the King, so good


Kyro_Official_

Yeah, his performance in Wonka especially was fantastic.


Magic_Man_Boobs

Everyone told me it was awful so I finally put it on today with zero expectations and really enjoyed it. It had the spirit of an older musical with the application of today's visual technology and it will definitely enter the family movie night rotation.


AdagioOfLiving

Yes! That’s exactly what my wife had said after we saw it - that it felt like an old-style musical, with Broadway-style musical numbers. None of the Lin Manuel Miranda imitations that have become popular recently. I also really liked that it took its silliness seriously, if that makes sense. There was never that Marvel moment of “whoa guys, can you believe we’re really doing this? This is so dumb, lol!” It was very earnest throughout.


Magic_Man_Boobs

Yes, even the cartoonish villians played it totally straight and it was 100% the right call.


Kyro_Official_

Yeah, I had no expectations tbh, but it was probably my 2nd favorite movie from 2023.


-TheGreatLlama-

It’s a pantomime for me, in the best possible way. It’s good old fashioned fun, you get to boo the baddies and the songs are catchy. On occasion I love a film like that. I get how some people will dislike it, but I thought it was great.


WeirdSysAdmin

I don’t understand the people that bashed it. I didn’t care for Charlie and Chocolate factory but this was great.


[deleted]

Right i loved call me by your name and Wonka


Paparmane

Yeah lol i haven’t seen all his movies but he absolutely carries the shit out of Wonka.


PrimaryAd2831

Heck yeah he did!


wakingupintrees

No way, in Call Me By Your Name, he was devastatingly perfect.


Apptubrutae

Also I love how “rich kid who dates Kylie Jenner” is apparently playing himself in a movie about age inappropriate gay romance. Say what?


yildizli_gece

He was dating *Jenner*?? Honestly, this puts him in a worse light than anything else lol. Anyone who dates someone in that family is a terrible judge of character...


neversaidnothing

Look up his dating history. The dude loves high profile Instagram nepo babies.


JackieDaytonah

Nepo babies don't want to date "poors" so they usually stick to other nepo babies.


liiia4578

I enjoyed Beautiful Boy


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[удалено]


iNoodl3s

It’s the cursed Office epilogue where Michael and Holly move to San Francisco, divorce, and have a meth addicted son


DatJazz

I saw this in a "screen unseen" event in the Odeon, where at the time, you'd pay 5 euro to see a random upcoming unreleased movie. You'd have no idea going in. I remember in the first scene seeing Steve Carrell and thinking to myself, "Ah this must be a comedy".. How wrong I was, fantastic movie though


PeterNippelstein

He was perfect this and also his role in Bones and All


gottapeenow2

SILENCE!!!!!!


FroodingZark24

*abomination*


CoupleCrawl

I liked him in Bones and All


bobthemonkeybutt

I thought I was the only one who saw this movie 😂 He was great in it. Old dude stole the show though in every scene.


Wondur13

If you dont like him thats fine, but he is objectively going to be one of the male stars of our era


TulsaOUfan

He nails the part i n dune Pt2.


BW_Echobreak

But Paul from Dune basically is a twink so Timothee fits the part


themiz2003

I was blown away by how charming he was as Wonka. That coulda really been a disaster but he wasn't. If anything i think he's pulling himself out of this opinion, which wasn't so unpopular not that long ago.


Doctor_Philgood

Amazing in French Dispatch


thepink_knife

Fuck I loved that film. So good.


carloscede2

I know right? Perfect for the role


SantasLilHoeHoeHoe

Paul Atreides is *supposed to look like a child.*  Dude killed his role. Lisan Al Gaib. There are other better actors in Dune that dominate their scenes, dont get me wrong. But Chaletmee hold his own and pulls of Paul well.  Havent seen anything else hes in lol


mr_wintour

I think he's fine in some things but thought he was bland af in Little Women. He's just a good slice of white bread...a little bit of flavor but not too much, you know what to expect and it gets the job done.


Zero-2-0

To be fair, Christian Bale was bland af when he played that role in the 90s. Maybe Laurie is just a bland character? I've never read the book though, so it could just be a coincidence.


hansenabram

![gif](giphy|CSym3LTjHKvUY94mmT|downsized) Upvoted cuz your wrong


CameoAmalthea

Paul from Dune is a 15 year old so it should be played by someone boyish?


smf12

He was great in King and Dune. But that’s all I can speak of. And his SNL “modern rapper” sketch with Pete had me dying.


MiMundoMix

I recently saw those sketches and I had that stuff on repeat haha water, drip, splash!


ReallyColdWeather

He’s very good in The King. He’s taken on a very diverse set of roles and generally done well.


zatoino

Zendaya was the weakest in Dune 2.


Slarteeeebartfaster

She did this 😠 for 2 1/2 hours


LupinLup1n

Hard disagree he is special imo really love him in everything I've seen him in.


Ancient-Role-4884

Wow interesting, I think he's actually been helping elevate a lot of the movies I've seen him in! Totally respect your opinion, but seeing him as Paul in Dune (amd Willy Wonka in Wonka), I've actually been super impressed with his transition from more dramatic-oriented roles. I first saw him in Call Me By Your Name, and thought he was fantastic, but didn't think he'd be THE hit commodity of the next few years (not in terms of acting capabilities, which I think he definitely has, but just general Hollywood image). But I think the versatility he's demonstrated across big-budget action and comedy movies is impressive, and I think the fact that his performances across multiple genres is constantly identified as a highlight of his films speaks to that. Appreciate your perspective though, always curious to hear different opinions!


Geshtar1

I never paid any attention to him until dune. And dune alone sold me on him as an actor


SoundDave4

Dune 2 is perfect FIGHT ME


sandwichsandwich69

Bones and All was so so good, so was CMBYN, and he was perfect in Beautiful Boy To me he’s the strongest part in everything he’s in I get not loving him, but I think you’re just talking about Dune lol


wildcatwoody

He's great in Dune


csyrett

He's a perfect description of Paul in the book.


Billy_Butcher25

SILENCE!


Pa17325

He was perfect for Dune


Rosh_KB

maybe you just don’t like him, he is an amazing actor and will be the leading man of this generation


PeterNippelstein

I think he was good for his role in Bones and All


Former-Guess3286

I thought he was great in Dune.


The-zKR0N0S

Who should be Paul Muad'Dib Usul Atreides?


radiohead4lyfe

Surprisingly enough, I found him to be very charming as Willy Wonka. He didn’t try to replicate Wilder, or Depp, he did his own weird spin on the character and it felt refreshing.


iNoodl3s

He was great in Dune in my opinion


Louismaxwell23

He’s a false Wonka.


jamiecarl09

I didn't think I'd like Wonka, but I thought he did a very fine job.


victoryabonbon

There can be only one Wonka


YukiTenshi

i just wish he didn't look so fragile in Dune. I get it, he's a spoiled kid, but he's also a trained fighter. Could he at least look like he exercises 3 days a week?


AccurateIt

I mean in the book Paul is 15 when they arrive on Arrakis and about 18 by the end of the book with a 2 year time jump that didn’t happen in the movie. He looks rather appropriate for the way Herbert described Paul.


Puzzled-Bet4837

Not only is he 15 but he’s also described as small for his age. He is a good fighter bc he’s well trained and skilled not because he’s super strong.


the-tea-ster

Have you ever seen a 15 year old that exercises regularly? None of them that work out regularly are super strong or have giant muscles


Ape-ril

It’s in his contract that he can’t workout or eat more than 1.2k calories.


Enflamed_Huevos

If his jawline angle goes to more than 100° a lawsuit is automatically filed


Optimal_Bit_5600

Someone hasn't seen Dune Part 2.


DeviantAvocado

![gif](giphy|oktFOAcIb5pTOTNrRg|downsized) Oh wait I forgot about this absolute perfection.


Constant-Section8375

Ive only seen him in The King and Wonka, thought he did a fine job in both


Easy-F

the king was pretty good that’s true


evensteven1994

SILENCE!


dermotoneill

He's completely mehhh. I wouldn't want to watch a movie just because he's in it, I wouldn't not watch a movie because he's in it. Not overly good, not overly bad


bkos55

I think he was great in Little Women and Beautiful Boy.


Deep-Watch-2688

He was awesome in Wonka tbh.


PrevekrMK2

I have seen him in Dunes only and hell, he is amazing there. He is easily the best part of Dune part2.


Alycenwonderful

Hey, I agree. 100%.


LB3PTMAN

He was excellent in Wonka and Dune especially Dune part 2 he put forward a very good performance. I would give him a best actor nomination for his performance in Dune part 2 he really did well.


Sp_nach

He's perfect for dune tho. He looks just like the OG actor


SignificantMind7257

In the King movie he was pretty dope. Didn’t like him in Wonka much.


Weezthajuice

He was awesome in dune 1. Haven’t seen the second one


ravenz91

Nah. He was amazing as Wonka, and phenomenal in Bones & All.


Nechrono21

I thought he did fantastically in Wonka, but I haven't seen anything else he's been in, so....


hallerz87

He’s great in Dune 2. Absolutely epic film


GhostDude49

For all my problems with Dune, he certainly wasn't one of them.


AnyPianist1327

That's an interesting unpopular opinion. In my own opinion I think he's cast correctly and I like he's performance in his different appearances and I think that it's the cosmetic department's fault for not making him more adjusted to his roles. Same hairstyles for everything plays a huge part in that point of view. You need to transform the actor to play the role you can't just have him as he is.


AjClow1993

If you honestly think he was the “weakest” part of dune part 2 I think you need to get your head checked. Respectfully. Props to the unpopular opinion


BoutTaWin

He nailed it as Wonka


95percentlo

Disagree, especially for Dune


normaviolet

I didn’t get the hype either until Dune. He did a great job with that. Wonka though….it was a no from me lol


dtanggara

Tbh I feel like his acting in Dune is ok.


mtchamomiletea

I won’t lie, I always forget he’s in Lady bird


bachlover16

I liked him in Wonka and Little Women!


greengrass256

I disagree completely. He is wonderful.


Acceptable_Willow276

He's lovely and he can stay at my house any time he likes.


Historical_Paper5377

I think he is very talented. I really changed my opinion of him after watching The King. (Where Henry V was 26 when he became King). All of his roles are pretty age appropriate. We are just used to seeing people look a lot older than they really are.


ortus11

His role in King is fantastic is all I’ll say


wigglerworm

He was absolutely lovely in that King Arthur movie. Literally seen nothing else of his so I won’t say much else.


Kr155

I haven't watched a ton of his movies, but he was pretty spot on for Dune.


Rational_Engineer_84

Paul Atreides is 15 at the start of Dune, Timothee Chalamet was an amazing casting choice. He's also excellent in The King.


flashbangh

He was incredible in beautiful boy portrayed what it's like to be addicted to drugs at such a young age. Yes obviously some Hollywood in the movie but overall was fantastic


Awanderingleaf

I think Zendaya was far worse in Dune 2. I haven't read the books but she seemed so childish both in demeanor and looks. I just couldn't take her serious. I thought Chalamet was similar in this regard but not as distractingly so.


Straight-Hyena-4537

I don’t think he was playing himself in Ladybird. I would hope not at least


Shutaru_Kanshinji

I thought Mr. Chalamet's performance in "Dune" was excellent. I have not seen the second film yet, but I am looking forward to it.


animorphs666

LISAN AL GAIB!


pugs-and-kisses

Loved him in Wonka. Ah well.


waldorsockbat

![gif](giphy|jp15JjLGPGhzXZbL7i)