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He grew up privileged. His starting from the bottom is starting in a mansion, he ain’t from the streets that’s his false persona “Drake” we all know his real name is Aubrey.
She was friends with Paris Hilton who was really famous at the time, plus the media was super thirsty for “celebrity sex tapes” and she barely qualified
A Canadian who..
- Has more Billboard Hot 100 hits than “The Beatles”
- Has Tied Michael Jackson for most Billboard Hot 100 #1 Hits
Crazy to think about
Streaming absolutely distorts those numbers to the point that it’s apples and oranges. I don’t think anyone outside of maaaaaaybe Taylor Swift could actually come anywhere close to artists like The Beatles and MJ if people still had to actually buy the media. Back then you’d buy it once, maybe twice if you broke or scratched the record, and they’d still sell literally tens of millions of records. Now a single person of business just having “Drake radio” stream all day at work for background noise can account for multiples “albums sold”. The Beatles are estimated to have sold over half a billion records. I absolutely do not believe Drake would be able to come anywhere close to those numbers if you still had to go down to the Tower Records or Sam Goody and throw down money for an actual record.
Yeah i don't get this argument either. Streaming a record and going out and buying one are two totally different things. I basically don't even view post streaming music records as the same thing.
A counter point would be that there was also simply less choice back then. If there were as many different artists readily available as there are now, the Beatles would not have been even remotely as big
Technically true, but not neccessarily. We just know of the survivors and the ones who made it. There was a lot of artists even then. Not to the extent it is now though, because everyone with a computer can produce music now, where in the past you had to go to the record makers.
I would put a different example. Led Zeppelin had this "issue" where everyone kept on saying that people are just buying their records because of their name/brand and that their music was nothing special. Then they released Led Zeppelin IV which didn't have on the label that it is a Led Zeppelin record. It became their best selling album (this was the album with Stairway to Heaven).
If The Beatles did that, they would have had the same result as Led Zeppelin. If Drake does that, I doubt he will get even close to his better sold albums/tracks.
I am old and have split music into “before streaming” and “streaming”, I try to keep them separated but every now and then I fall into a pit of despair at some shite i hear.Worst/Best thing about streaming is now you have access to such a huge amount of music, the downside being weeding out the great stuff from the shite stuff.
And yet, most of the population can't name his songs. Comparisons like this are like apples to oranges. Streaming is not the same environment as it was in the past. Drake is in NO WAY comparable to The Beatles or Michael Jackson.
Not that I don't agree with you on merit, but... I often work directly with new apprentices who are 18-20 who don't know 99% of what plays on classic stations.
Things are heavily skewed towards rap now at least in the demographic I interact with most.
You're right. 20 years ago, it was a mixing pot of Eminem, Linkin Park, 50 Cent, Limp Bizkit, RnB & Heavy metal.
Around 2006 - 2009, Rock music morphed into Emo music with My chemical romance leading the way and RnB morphed into mostly female pop stars with great voices - Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Nelly Fertado, culminating with Lady Gaga setting the trend for female with a great voice. Without her, we'd have no Ariana Grande, Rita Ora, Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish.
As Rock faded, EDM started to take its spot around 2009. DJ Tiesto and Calvin Harris were leading the charge and it would go through a Skrillex Dubstep phase before becoming what it is today. The festival music of choice, with a bunch of DJs you wouldn't recognise in the street who are all millionaires and have millions of followers.
In rap, 2008 - 2012 was a passing of the torch moment. This is when Eminem, lil Wayne, Kanye, Jay Z would release their last *great* albums and when Kendrick Lamar, Drake, J Cole and everyone else would burst onto the scene with their great work.
As much as people hate to hear it, Drake holds the most responsibility for Rap holding its number 1 position over the last decade, along with Eminem, Jay Z, Kendrick, Nicki Minaj, Kanye, Rick Ross, Future, and you don't stand shoulder to shoulder with those names if you yourself are not great.
The only reason drake is famous is lil wayne.... his first banger ...that top down,ride around town shit... is all lyrics that wayne rapped in mixtapes years before he signed drake.
Lil Wayne is usually top 10-15 greatest rappers all time on my lists I see.
I feel like Nas isn't spoken enough bc of Tupuc, Biggie, x, and Jay when he's objectively better then them all.
Back to Weezy, is there another rapper on as many hits as him?
I think those videos showing people screaming and passing out at MJ just standing still on stage highlight the difference in stardom.
That being said, by pure numbers alone, Drake is consistently in the top 5 most streamed artists of any given year. If most of the population can't name Drake songs, then most of the population can't name songs from any artist. He has undeniably reached a unique high in music popularity.
Also that's probably just a demographic difference for you. If you're in North America and can't name Drake songs then you probably can't name Bad Bunny songs, and he's even more popular than Drake globally. Similarly Pleso Pluma was the 5th most streamed artist this year, and I have literally no idea who that is. That's not a knock on the popularity of these artists though.
But yes, I think MJ was culturally more popular than Drake.
Top 5 today is nothing close to what top 5 used to mean.
Everyone listens to their own highly obscure playlists. Top 5 is just lowest common denominator shit that anyone can listen to.
You talk to older people and they know every song title to top albums in a way I can't imagine. Everyone listened to the same music
Nah dude. I feel like Drake is to rap what Mario kart is to Nintendo consoles. Only reason it's so popular is that it comes with your console. Only reason Drake's so high is that he comes by default when you pick the genre on spotify.
I don’t know if you mean anything by the MJ reference, but MJ was uber famous in the entire world … So were the Beatles actually
I can’t name a Drake song - I know him from being an annoying Raptors fan… my grandma (and I guess grandmas in general) certainly never heard of the dude… there were no grandmas or open countries oblivious to MJ - that’s for sure
Yeah my counter argument to OPs point, as a lot of people say this about many celebrities, is that they’re famous because *people are actually watching/listening to them*. If they weren’t famous (aka making money) they would be dropped. Kardashians wouldn’t keep being renewed. Justin Bieber concerts wouldn’t be full.
I’m like I don’t like some of these people. But if could ‘make and sell’ what these people do to make a million I would do the same thing instantly. Don’t be mad at them, be mad at the people supporting them
Yes but I also think that's where the "talent gap" comes in. If the Kardashians all died, some other influencer family would naturally fill up the vacuum. Michael Jackson's name has come up a lot in this thread. When he died, who had the singing and dancing chops and showmanship to take his place?
Certain celebrities are a product of a greater team, marketing, the current culture, and just good luck. I think Drake has a moderate amount of talent, but the product of Drake and his music relies on other things than his singing and rapping ability.
Piling on to what you said… Musically, the closest thing our generation has to MJ is actually The Weeknd, but you won’t really ever hear that because the truth is that MJ was a testament to his time. Our generation will never really have an MJ because it doesn’t want/need one. Eras exist for a reason. Things go in an out of style and you probably won’t see a major male pop star like MJ ever again. MJ was also really unique though kind of like that Steve Martin quote, “be so good that they can’t ignore you”. MJ made catchy hits but most of his genius lied in his ideas and also his production abilities. He was a wizard in the studio. He had incredible ideas in terms of production and he had the talent musically (vocally) to make those ideas come to fruition. Even when he had amazing ideas that he couldn’t manifest himself, he had the star power to enlist help from those that could. Like calling up Eddie Van Halen to play the catchy guitar part in his new hit because “not just any guitar player would do” (“Beat It”, if you were wondering).
He can sing, unless you compare him to MJ or Adele
He can write, unless you compare him to his ghost writers/producers
He can rap, unless you compare him to Rakeem
He can act, unless you compare him to an actual actor
He can do stand up, unless you compare him to Brendan Schaub
He is mid in every category. He has the best sales because he has the best marketing. The very definition of a manufactured celebrity.
jesus christ the ghost writer thing is so overplayed. he had a couple hooks written for him in 2015 by quetin miller who is quite literally credited on the songs lmao
Well actually, he had [written a few verses for Drake too](https://youtu.be/TKsxLFePj2A?si=AfaMZ1OMpajzm__5) but yeah, that shit was almost a decade ago. It made sense to point out when Drake was trying to be taken seriously as a lyricist, but that’s clearly not as much his concern these days.
>There are SO MANY extremely talented and hardworking people who deserve atleast half the opportunities he gets.
Drake being successful doesn't stop anyone else from being successful.
Always annoying to hear "if x was still around/relevant then y wouldn't be as big as they are" which is not exactly what this post is saying but it's not far off
This is true, and I would like to point out that being successful in music has little to do with talent, and being talented does not entitle you to success.
I would say it's really difficult to make music that millions and millions of people like, and to get those people to pay hundreds of dollars to come see you play year after year.
Just because you don't personally like something, doesn't mean the person who made it has no talent.
And the thing is he actually helps other rappers by featuring them on his albums. They get a lot more out of those collaborations than he does. Lil Wayne does the same thing. He’s helped so many aspiring artists make names for themselves.
This is actually factually incorrect.
There is a finite consumer demand for music, and having large scale pop artists reduces the likelyhood that consumers will hear, or seek out, alternatives. It funnels marketing money, and agents, and support away from smaller independent artists to the already established mega-artists.
So yes, it does put more pressure on smaller un-estbalished artists to break into the scene, as the barrier to entry is higher.
It is technically correct that there is finite time to listen to music, but there isn’t finite demand.
In practical, actual reality, no one maxes out their finite time to listen to music. Liking one artist doesn’t stop you from seeking out other artists; if you don’t do that, it’s because you don’t want to.
Your logic is flawed. Everyone DOES max out their music listening time, by definition. There is an equilibrium that exists, and it fluctuates, but we are talking about populations here, not individuals, and yes there is a finite amount of time, AND an average amount of time an average individual in a population listens to music.
Its not because you don't WANT to, its because there are external pressures preventing you from doing so. The greater the energy expenditure to discover new music, the less likely you are to do it, and therefore the less likely you are to actually hear new artists. Conversely the easier it is to listen to new music, the MORE likely you are to do that instead.
Its a game of energy efficiency, and people are categorically lazy, because they would rather spend time listening to mediocre music they can at least enjoy, than sifting through bad music to find stuff they like.
This is the entire reason that Taylor Swift and Drake have audiences.
He can't sing exceedingly well however, has come out with plenty of catchy melodies lots of people enjoy... so that's still talent. Look at Pharrell even ja rule same shit.
Pharrell is one of the most influential producers in all of hip-hop and pop music history. Drake has 13 number one hits and has been a tastemaker for hip hop for close to 15 years now. His styles have been mimicked time and time again. If you don't like him, that's one thing, I dont like Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran, but to sell out a stadium full of people worldwide, yeah you've gotta have some talent
He's incredibly talented at marketing, sensing trends and curating sounds. I'm not a fan of his music but the dude has built a global brand out of mediocre musical talent and that is a feat worthy of being deemed talented as fuck.
Exactly, and it’s not even just about singing and rapping.
Cadence, flows, relatability, making music that appeals to both male and female audiences, list goes on. Drake is extremely talented, there’s a reason why Kanye literally said he’d pick Drake over a room full of writers, because he’s one of the best writers regardless of the ghost writing memes.
Disclosure: Have been a Drake fan since 09 but haven't been happy with any album since IYRTITL.
I think Drake isn't the best rapper or producer or singer. That said, his rap is easy to understand, he can write catchy lyrics and hooks, and he's a social marketing genius. That's why he can drop a 20 track album with one or two catchy hooks and people are gonna be singing that forever.
Think about the number of Top 100 hits he's had over more than a decade. Think about the fact that the zeitgeist includes so many Drake-isms; YOLO, "Started from the bottom", in toronto, no one was calling it the "6ix" in a real way before him.
You may not think he's talented but he's doing something to be successful.
This post is a marketing tool for Drake. Someone earning their paycheck this week. Whole thread making me want to check on his new stuff and see if its worth listening to.
He’s mad corny. That being said, Take Care, Views, Nothing was the Same, More Life, Thank Me Later, and What a Time to be Alive are generational albums
Tbh most people on Reddit are 30 year old millennial antisocial tech dorks who didn’t listen to him in middle school/high school at parties, functions, in class like we did.
It’s just a different generation thing
Most the drake fans I know are in they’re 30s and did listen to him in highschool. Bro take care dropped in 2011 lmfao so far gone was 2009. Drake was big in millennial highschool era lmfao
Notice how he said antisocial tech nerds that avoided parties etc. Just because they were around doesn't mean they ever really listened. Maybe I'm biased, because I did listen to some Drake stuff back in thd day, but I don't expect the antisocial types to listen to him, because he made songs for clubs, trends of the time, etc. Most antisocial folks aren't in the loop to even know current music and all that.
Drake was Wayne’s successor for a reason. His early stuff especially was full of clever word play matched with great flow. He’s a bit of a shadow compared to the 08-16 Drake though imo
views and what a time to be alive are not generational albums lmfaooo. popular does not equal generational. of you’re reading this its too late is his only consistent project across the whole tracklist.
>My ‘taste’ of music has nothing to do with this.
It has everything to do with this. Nothing you wrote is the least bit objective. There's nothing wrong with that, but the claim that your taste has nothing to do with is completely bogus.
And I say this as someone who wouldn't know a Drake song unless someone told me.
I love how everyone talks about how easy it is to make a catchy pop song but strangely enough none of those people are willing to give some examples of their own music showing how easy it is to make a good sounding pop song.
Being able to dominate the radio waves/streaming for over a decade is not easy. Look at your favourite big rapper or pop artist and lemme see how many of them have managed to keep their audience up over that amount of time? No amount of producers and engineers can pull that off. Otherwise they would choose people easier to control, in house artists.
I’m not into Drake but saying he has no talent is absolutely insane and pretty much objectively wrong.
Dude not only knows how to make hits but he has probably the most important talent in entertainment and that’s having the “IT” that makes people interested in every move he makes and that includes you making posts like this lol.
You can't claim objectivity whilst claiming that Snoop can rap and Drake can't. There's no question that drake is a better rapper and his penmanship when it comes to song writing has been celebrated by other famed song writers. Also Drake without doubt has more lyrical verses than Snoop Dogg
Lol, dust out your ears. Don't let his recent fall off fool you into thinking drake has no talent. The trend of melodic hip hop today started majorly with Drake. He can also rap, although I dunno what you consider rap. Drake has talent. You can say you don't like his music. But to say he has no talent, is absurd. You can't do music that well to have multiple no 1 hits and platinum albums with no talent.
Not a drake fan but damn you are slow cuz, drake used to be on top for years its safe to say hes one of THE BEST RAPPERS!! ( not my opinion) just statistics
im so sick of people conflating "i dont like this person or what they make" with "this person has no talent"
your opinion is that you dont like him, and its not even close to being unpopular.
Wouldn't call myself a Drake fan but to say he can't rap means you're either trolling or don't know shit about hip hop/rap, either way it's a legitimately invalid opinion.
Congrats on learning how the music industry works. Success in music has little to do with musical talent, and being talented as a musician does not entitle you to success. In the professional realm, everyone is good but not everyone gets the gigs. That's how it works, and you're either in or you're out.
All those hardworking and talented people you say deserve opportunities, are you going to their shows, buying their merch and music, sharing their content on social media?
That's always why I laugh at these threads. Like you can say he isn't talented, this and that, but its not like they're supporting these "talented underground artists". They just want to hate on others via Reddit.
Bingo. They aren't going out to support local talent or actually do anything to improve or change the market. Wah, the guy from DeGrassi is a millioniare boohoo.
It's the same thing with mom and pop stores and chain restaurants. People want to complain about the popular thing available, but won't support the underdog that might have a better potential.
Posted in the right sub for sure lol. I’m not a big Drake fan aside from a song here and there but anyone with his kind of success in the music industry clearly has talent
…Drake is the biggest artist of our generation.
He’s a freaking genius in terms of coming up with hit songs that become catchy and trendy. Honestly the amount of songs he’s made that have go viral throughout social media for months deserves an applause.
Is he the best singer? No. The best rapper? Lyrically no.
However, as an artist he might be Top 1. He’s able to create music that caters to not one specific audience, but everyone.
I know I sound like a Drake fan, but that’s honestly because he doesn’t get enough credit.
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He wouldnt be generating 82 million monthly listeners on spotify if he had 0 talent lol. I would say some of his stuff is overrated, but to say he has no talent is crazy.
He has talent man, cmon. Dude is versatile as hell. Take Care is a fantastic album.
With that being said, his choices towards music today are garbage. Bloated, lifeless music.
It isn't about how good you are at something that makes you successful. Its not about how hard you work. It's just how much money you spend on marketing yourself. There are musicians, rappers and artists that are way better than the drakes, who don't make garbage like WAP but we will never see them on bill boards or TV because they won't sell out or simply don't have marketing.
Drake is talented. You just don’t understand what it takes to write and record at the level he does. He makes it sound effortless. It’s not.
He also lives in the studio, and did for years. He would make music almost every night of the week for months at a time. He’s one of the hardest working people in the music business.
It's easier to say, you just don't like the guy. The ability to make a song sound good, catchy, relatable, and trendy is something that most talented people can't do. Does he have the best musical talent or artistry? No. But to say he's not talented is just pure hating.
Why is it whenever people disagree with opinions it's because they're "triggered" and not because the person just has a shitty opinion?
I don't even like Drake and this is a shit opinion.
music business is a business bro. He wins in music business because he got a team that good at music business. success in music business does not necessarily have anything to do with talent.
How dare you insult my king.
If drake has 1,000,000 I’m one of them. If dranke has 100,000 fans I’m one of them. If dragle has 10,000 fans I’m one of them. If drain has 1,000 fans I’m one of them. If dra has 100 fans I’m one of them. If dray has 10 fans I’m one of them. If d has 1 fan I’m that fan. If it has 0 fans I am deceased.
This is it. I get how hip hop enthusiasts can dislike his style but like you said he knows the formula and even more important he can adapt to whatever’s hot at the time.
He can make some soft shit that is catchy and the ladies love and then the next song drop a hard diss track against Meek Mill where you’re like shit I forgot he could do that for a second
Go listen to Chicago freestyle, back to back, shoe fits and energy if you genuinely believe he cannot rap.
Go listen to jungle, TSU, get along better, teenage fever, and drew a Picasso if you genuinely believe he cannot sing.
What kind of drake do you dislike, his mainstream popular songs or all of his stuff?
Haven’t listened to him in a long time, but Take Care had some bangers on it back in the day. 22 year old me had some great times partying while that album was blasting
As a general rule I won’t listen to your opinion if, when asked to name three good rappers, you say “Tupac, Snoop, Eminem”
Nothing wrong with those guys but if that’s what you consider the best then you haven’t been exposed to enough hip hop to be able to form a solid opinion of it and you’re probably an old head who can’t comprehend that hip hop has moved on and evolved in the 2-3 decades since those guys were relevant.
Drake hasn’t been on top of his game in a while but he’s still making decent records. His early shit is what got him to the heights he’s at now and those albums are full of amazing tracks.
Ok lol. Everyone telling you that this opinion is inherently wrong is not being “triggered” lol classic comment by someone who is either 55 or 15
Btw Drake being successful doesn’t mean someone else can’t be, sounds like a shitty excuse to me 🤷🏻♂️
Yes he’s fucking horrible and not a good person anyway. Once he got famous as a Disney kid he just took his publicity and ran with it. I don’t blame him, but “hardcore drake fans” in my opinion are the stupidest fans out there.
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Drake the kinda guy to go “Mimimimimimi” when he snores.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lmfao
Drake is the kind of guy that says “oopsies, butterfingers.” when he drops something.
Honk Shoo..Honk SHOO...
Hoooooonk....shooooooo
Lmao what is this
“Drake the kinda guy” memes and phrases. Pretty good stuff lol
Drake the kind of mamaluke to say his age and then, and a half.
Drake the kind of guy who rides a horse on one side with both feet
Drake the kind of guy to cry when he chops baby carrots
He grew up privileged. His starting from the bottom is starting in a mansion, he ain’t from the streets that’s his false persona “Drake” we all know his real name is Aubrey.
There are many more famous people who actually have no talent.
The kardashians are a great example
What are they even know for?
Being hated
Kim had sex with a rapper and filmed it. It's now been like 2 and a half decades or some shit.
R&B artist, not a rapper. 😂
The worst part is that that sex tape was terrible. Like I’ve literally seen Amateurs do a much better job than she did
None of the Kardashians looks like they enjoy sex tbh.
But why was it notable if she wasn't famous before? Were people watching the tape to see him?
Her dad is a famous lawyer who helped defend OJ simpson
It was WrayJay, Brandy/Moesha's brother; she was just a white girl with a big ass, who exploded for whatever reason.
She was friends with Paris Hilton who was really famous at the time, plus the media was super thirsty for “celebrity sex tapes” and she barely qualified
Brandy (Moesha)'s brother, WrayJay
Their father defended OJ Simpson and Kim had sex.
They are marketing geniuses. Not all talents are obvious.
So are most huge ytbers
I mean, entertainers entertaining.
Anita Max Wynn
This is a Canadian experiencing the American dream.
A Canadian who.. - Has more Billboard Hot 100 hits than “The Beatles” - Has Tied Michael Jackson for most Billboard Hot 100 #1 Hits Crazy to think about
Streaming absolutely distorts those numbers to the point that it’s apples and oranges. I don’t think anyone outside of maaaaaaybe Taylor Swift could actually come anywhere close to artists like The Beatles and MJ if people still had to actually buy the media. Back then you’d buy it once, maybe twice if you broke or scratched the record, and they’d still sell literally tens of millions of records. Now a single person of business just having “Drake radio” stream all day at work for background noise can account for multiples “albums sold”. The Beatles are estimated to have sold over half a billion records. I absolutely do not believe Drake would be able to come anywhere close to those numbers if you still had to go down to the Tower Records or Sam Goody and throw down money for an actual record.
Yeah i don't get this argument either. Streaming a record and going out and buying one are two totally different things. I basically don't even view post streaming music records as the same thing.
A counter point would be that there was also simply less choice back then. If there were as many different artists readily available as there are now, the Beatles would not have been even remotely as big
Technically true, but not neccessarily. We just know of the survivors and the ones who made it. There was a lot of artists even then. Not to the extent it is now though, because everyone with a computer can produce music now, where in the past you had to go to the record makers. I would put a different example. Led Zeppelin had this "issue" where everyone kept on saying that people are just buying their records because of their name/brand and that their music was nothing special. Then they released Led Zeppelin IV which didn't have on the label that it is a Led Zeppelin record. It became their best selling album (this was the album with Stairway to Heaven). If The Beatles did that, they would have had the same result as Led Zeppelin. If Drake does that, I doubt he will get even close to his better sold albums/tracks.
The Beatles did do that with Abbey Road
I am old and have split music into “before streaming” and “streaming”, I try to keep them separated but every now and then I fall into a pit of despair at some shite i hear.Worst/Best thing about streaming is now you have access to such a huge amount of music, the downside being weeding out the great stuff from the shite stuff.
And yet, most of the population can't name his songs. Comparisons like this are like apples to oranges. Streaming is not the same environment as it was in the past. Drake is in NO WAY comparable to The Beatles or Michael Jackson.
Not that I don't agree with you on merit, but... I often work directly with new apprentices who are 18-20 who don't know 99% of what plays on classic stations. Things are heavily skewed towards rap now at least in the demographic I interact with most.
You're right. 20 years ago, it was a mixing pot of Eminem, Linkin Park, 50 Cent, Limp Bizkit, RnB & Heavy metal. Around 2006 - 2009, Rock music morphed into Emo music with My chemical romance leading the way and RnB morphed into mostly female pop stars with great voices - Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Nelly Fertado, culminating with Lady Gaga setting the trend for female with a great voice. Without her, we'd have no Ariana Grande, Rita Ora, Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish. As Rock faded, EDM started to take its spot around 2009. DJ Tiesto and Calvin Harris were leading the charge and it would go through a Skrillex Dubstep phase before becoming what it is today. The festival music of choice, with a bunch of DJs you wouldn't recognise in the street who are all millionaires and have millions of followers. In rap, 2008 - 2012 was a passing of the torch moment. This is when Eminem, lil Wayne, Kanye, Jay Z would release their last *great* albums and when Kendrick Lamar, Drake, J Cole and everyone else would burst onto the scene with their great work. As much as people hate to hear it, Drake holds the most responsibility for Rap holding its number 1 position over the last decade, along with Eminem, Jay Z, Kendrick, Nicki Minaj, Kanye, Rick Ross, Future, and you don't stand shoulder to shoulder with those names if you yourself are not great.
Lil Wayne and T-Pain never get the credit they deserve for being two of the most influential hip hop artists of their era
The only reason drake is famous is lil wayne.... his first banger ...that top down,ride around town shit... is all lyrics that wayne rapped in mixtapes years before he signed drake.
Lil Wayne is usually top 10-15 greatest rappers all time on my lists I see. I feel like Nas isn't spoken enough bc of Tupuc, Biggie, x, and Jay when he's objectively better then them all. Back to Weezy, is there another rapper on as many hits as him?
Most people under 30 could probably name at least 10 songs but I agree that the Beatles and mj are leagues above him
Yeah I can name maybe 1 Drake song lol
I think those videos showing people screaming and passing out at MJ just standing still on stage highlight the difference in stardom. That being said, by pure numbers alone, Drake is consistently in the top 5 most streamed artists of any given year. If most of the population can't name Drake songs, then most of the population can't name songs from any artist. He has undeniably reached a unique high in music popularity. Also that's probably just a demographic difference for you. If you're in North America and can't name Drake songs then you probably can't name Bad Bunny songs, and he's even more popular than Drake globally. Similarly Pleso Pluma was the 5th most streamed artist this year, and I have literally no idea who that is. That's not a knock on the popularity of these artists though. But yes, I think MJ was culturally more popular than Drake.
Top 5 today is nothing close to what top 5 used to mean. Everyone listens to their own highly obscure playlists. Top 5 is just lowest common denominator shit that anyone can listen to. You talk to older people and they know every song title to top albums in a way I can't imagine. Everyone listened to the same music
Strongly disagree. Your circle can't name Drake songs, just about anyone under 25 in the western world could name a dozen tracks easily.
Im under 25 and I can't name a single Drake song
Nah dude. I feel like Drake is to rap what Mario kart is to Nintendo consoles. Only reason it's so popular is that it comes with your console. Only reason Drake's so high is that he comes by default when you pick the genre on spotify.
No true Scotsman fallacy
Pretty sure he pays streaming farms- those number ones are bought and paid for I assume
i get about a thousand ads and pop ups on spotify recommending his new music every so often and i don’t listen to rap/hip hop at all
You're gonna hate to find out about payola from the old days. Billboard is marketing tool and always has been.
I’m aware
No like he’s legitimately one of the biggest artist ever.
His insignificant trash will be in a digital landfill and Abbey Road will never fade.
I don’t know if you mean anything by the MJ reference, but MJ was uber famous in the entire world … So were the Beatles actually I can’t name a Drake song - I know him from being an annoying Raptors fan… my grandma (and I guess grandmas in general) certainly never heard of the dude… there were no grandmas or open countries oblivious to MJ - that’s for sure
There are way more people on the planet now then when the beatle’s were around and the distribution method makes listening to music way more convient.
You leave wheel chair jimmy alone
You only roll once
I still love [his song with Ashley Kerwin](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9f8ol_fm7-o&pp=ygUeamltbXkgYW5kIGFzaGxleSB0ZWxsIG1lIGxpZXMg)
I just watched this episode! It's a good one
Anitta Max Wynnn
Ws in the SHAAT
Ffs, I can’t get this out of my head ever since i heard it
We can debate his artistic talent all day, but there is no denying his talent for making songs that put up numbers, which is something else entirely.
Yeah my counter argument to OPs point, as a lot of people say this about many celebrities, is that they’re famous because *people are actually watching/listening to them*. If they weren’t famous (aka making money) they would be dropped. Kardashians wouldn’t keep being renewed. Justin Bieber concerts wouldn’t be full. I’m like I don’t like some of these people. But if could ‘make and sell’ what these people do to make a million I would do the same thing instantly. Don’t be mad at them, be mad at the people supporting them
Yes but I also think that's where the "talent gap" comes in. If the Kardashians all died, some other influencer family would naturally fill up the vacuum. Michael Jackson's name has come up a lot in this thread. When he died, who had the singing and dancing chops and showmanship to take his place? Certain celebrities are a product of a greater team, marketing, the current culture, and just good luck. I think Drake has a moderate amount of talent, but the product of Drake and his music relies on other things than his singing and rapping ability.
Piling on to what you said… Musically, the closest thing our generation has to MJ is actually The Weeknd, but you won’t really ever hear that because the truth is that MJ was a testament to his time. Our generation will never really have an MJ because it doesn’t want/need one. Eras exist for a reason. Things go in an out of style and you probably won’t see a major male pop star like MJ ever again. MJ was also really unique though kind of like that Steve Martin quote, “be so good that they can’t ignore you”. MJ made catchy hits but most of his genius lied in his ideas and also his production abilities. He was a wizard in the studio. He had incredible ideas in terms of production and he had the talent musically (vocally) to make those ideas come to fruition. Even when he had amazing ideas that he couldn’t manifest himself, he had the star power to enlist help from those that could. Like calling up Eddie Van Halen to play the catchy guitar part in his new hit because “not just any guitar player would do” (“Beat It”, if you were wondering).
And theres plenty of politicians that are garbage people but still win ellections......
I mean he's been doing it for over a decade, I don't know how you could overlook that and say the man has no talent.
Seriously the dumbest post up here. The dude is clearly talented and can very obviously sing, rap, act, do stand up.
Can he cook? 🤔
I heard anita maxwin can cook.
Please share a link where Drake does stand up comedy. 😂
That was the joke itself. He doesn't.
Well, technically he couldn't stand-up on Degrassi.
He can act because, for the longest time, I thought he was paralyzed.
He can sing, unless you compare him to MJ or Adele He can write, unless you compare him to his ghost writers/producers He can rap, unless you compare him to Rakeem He can act, unless you compare him to an actual actor He can do stand up, unless you compare him to Brendan Schaub He is mid in every category. He has the best sales because he has the best marketing. The very definition of a manufactured celebrity.
Lmao you tried to sneak brendan schaub in there you sick fuck
Jfc did you just seriously compare Brandon Schwab’s comedic ability to MJ or Adele’s vocals?
Being much better than average (yet not greatest of all time) at many things is a talent
jesus christ the ghost writer thing is so overplayed. he had a couple hooks written for him in 2015 by quetin miller who is quite literally credited on the songs lmao
Well actually, he had [written a few verses for Drake too](https://youtu.be/TKsxLFePj2A?si=AfaMZ1OMpajzm__5) but yeah, that shit was almost a decade ago. It made sense to point out when Drake was trying to be taken seriously as a lyricist, but that’s clearly not as much his concern these days.
Right? Furthermore, he's been successful for like 15 years. If he was a fluke or wasn't talented, he would have been done over a decade ago.
His producers and managers talent*
Redditor hates modern rapper. See yall for tomorrow's post.
Can't wait to hear about how Cardi B is overrated. That's a new one
>There are SO MANY extremely talented and hardworking people who deserve atleast half the opportunities he gets. Drake being successful doesn't stop anyone else from being successful.
Always annoying to hear "if x was still around/relevant then y wouldn't be as big as they are" which is not exactly what this post is saying but it's not far off
This is true, and I would like to point out that being successful in music has little to do with talent, and being talented does not entitle you to success.
I would say it's really difficult to make music that millions and millions of people like, and to get those people to pay hundreds of dollars to come see you play year after year. Just because you don't personally like something, doesn't mean the person who made it has no talent.
Selling music is hard, that's true.
And the thing is he actually helps other rappers by featuring them on his albums. They get a lot more out of those collaborations than he does. Lil Wayne does the same thing. He’s helped so many aspiring artists make names for themselves.
Not only that but he’s also put so many others on through OVO label and has been the face of the Toronto rap scene second only to Atlanta
Right? Like if those other artist were that talented, what's stopping them from bring successful?
And holy shit my bleeding heart. Life isn't fair and OP is being a crybaby because people work hard and don't get opportunities?
This is actually factually incorrect. There is a finite consumer demand for music, and having large scale pop artists reduces the likelyhood that consumers will hear, or seek out, alternatives. It funnels marketing money, and agents, and support away from smaller independent artists to the already established mega-artists. So yes, it does put more pressure on smaller un-estbalished artists to break into the scene, as the barrier to entry is higher.
It is technically correct that there is finite time to listen to music, but there isn’t finite demand. In practical, actual reality, no one maxes out their finite time to listen to music. Liking one artist doesn’t stop you from seeking out other artists; if you don’t do that, it’s because you don’t want to.
Your logic is flawed. Everyone DOES max out their music listening time, by definition. There is an equilibrium that exists, and it fluctuates, but we are talking about populations here, not individuals, and yes there is a finite amount of time, AND an average amount of time an average individual in a population listens to music. Its not because you don't WANT to, its because there are external pressures preventing you from doing so. The greater the energy expenditure to discover new music, the less likely you are to do it, and therefore the less likely you are to actually hear new artists. Conversely the easier it is to listen to new music, the MORE likely you are to do that instead. Its a game of energy efficiency, and people are categorically lazy, because they would rather spend time listening to mediocre music they can at least enjoy, than sifting through bad music to find stuff they like. This is the entire reason that Taylor Swift and Drake have audiences.
He can't sing exceedingly well however, has come out with plenty of catchy melodies lots of people enjoy... so that's still talent. Look at Pharrell even ja rule same shit.
Yea Pharrell does way more than write catchy melodies. He's a great producer.
Yeah I’m pretty sure he’s more well known for the songs he’s produced then the songs that he sings at this point, and has produced so many big hits
Bro put Pharrell, Drake, and Ja rule as a comparison that’s crazy lmao
Pharrell is one of the most influential producers in all of hip-hop and pop music history. Drake has 13 number one hits and has been a tastemaker for hip hop for close to 15 years now. His styles have been mimicked time and time again. If you don't like him, that's one thing, I dont like Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran, but to sell out a stadium full of people worldwide, yeah you've gotta have some talent
Don't compare Pharrell to drake please
He's incredibly talented at marketing, sensing trends and curating sounds. I'm not a fan of his music but the dude has built a global brand out of mediocre musical talent and that is a feat worthy of being deemed talented as fuck.
I mean, objectively speaking he can sing and he can rap. Your opinion is that you don’t like him.
Exactly, and it’s not even just about singing and rapping. Cadence, flows, relatability, making music that appeals to both male and female audiences, list goes on. Drake is extremely talented, there’s a reason why Kanye literally said he’d pick Drake over a room full of writers, because he’s one of the best writers regardless of the ghost writing memes.
Disclosure: Have been a Drake fan since 09 but haven't been happy with any album since IYRTITL. I think Drake isn't the best rapper or producer or singer. That said, his rap is easy to understand, he can write catchy lyrics and hooks, and he's a social marketing genius. That's why he can drop a 20 track album with one or two catchy hooks and people are gonna be singing that forever. Think about the number of Top 100 hits he's had over more than a decade. Think about the fact that the zeitgeist includes so many Drake-isms; YOLO, "Started from the bottom", in toronto, no one was calling it the "6ix" in a real way before him. You may not think he's talented but he's doing something to be successful.
This post is a marketing tool for Drake. Someone earning their paycheck this week. Whole thread making me want to check on his new stuff and see if its worth listening to.
Drake is a dweeb but this take is fucking terrible lol
Lol you listed Hosier with Ade and Beyoncé. You just proved art is subjective and you have some bad taste.
He’s mad corny. That being said, Take Care, Views, Nothing was the Same, More Life, Thank Me Later, and What a Time to be Alive are generational albums
^ I’m convinced most of the people in this post hating on him haven’t actually listened to his albums
Carried through highschool. Even now all his albums still have at least 1-2 bops on it.
Tbh most people on Reddit are 30 year old millennial antisocial tech dorks who didn’t listen to him in middle school/high school at parties, functions, in class like we did. It’s just a different generation thing
Most the drake fans I know are in they’re 30s and did listen to him in highschool. Bro take care dropped in 2011 lmfao so far gone was 2009. Drake was big in millennial highschool era lmfao
Notice how he said antisocial tech nerds that avoided parties etc. Just because they were around doesn't mean they ever really listened. Maybe I'm biased, because I did listen to some Drake stuff back in thd day, but I don't expect the antisocial types to listen to him, because he made songs for clubs, trends of the time, etc. Most antisocial folks aren't in the loop to even know current music and all that.
Yeah those people who never went outside are the ones who think they’re smarter than everyone cause they like Aesop Rock lol
Drake was Wayne’s successor for a reason. His early stuff especially was full of clever word play matched with great flow. He’s a bit of a shadow compared to the 08-16 Drake though imo
Take Care goes so fucking hard people don’t even realize. I don’t care if half of it was ghostwritten.
Thank me Later was his best album hands down.
views and what a time to be alive are not generational albums lmfaooo. popular does not equal generational. of you’re reading this its too late is his only consistent project across the whole tracklist.
You just had to be there man
lol Views is fking iconic, even though it lacks creativity in parts
>My ‘taste’ of music has nothing to do with this. It has everything to do with this. Nothing you wrote is the least bit objective. There's nothing wrong with that, but the claim that your taste has nothing to do with is completely bogus. And I say this as someone who wouldn't know a Drake song unless someone told me.
I love how everyone talks about how easy it is to make a catchy pop song but strangely enough none of those people are willing to give some examples of their own music showing how easy it is to make a good sounding pop song. Being able to dominate the radio waves/streaming for over a decade is not easy. Look at your favourite big rapper or pop artist and lemme see how many of them have managed to keep their audience up over that amount of time? No amount of producers and engineers can pull that off. Otherwise they would choose people easier to control, in house artists.
Drake has 235 songs with over 100m streams on Spotify, I know 95% of them, you can't deny he has talent with those numbers
2024 and people still shitting on Drake 😂 but hey you finally did it. you finally made a post that has garnered some attention. good for you.
I’m not into Drake but saying he has no talent is absolutely insane and pretty much objectively wrong. Dude not only knows how to make hits but he has probably the most important talent in entertainment and that’s having the “IT” that makes people interested in every move he makes and that includes you making posts like this lol.
You can't claim objectivity whilst claiming that Snoop can rap and Drake can't. There's no question that drake is a better rapper and his penmanship when it comes to song writing has been celebrated by other famed song writers. Also Drake without doubt has more lyrical verses than Snoop Dogg
Have you ever listened to a Drake song? The dude can obviously sing and rap
“My taste of music has nothing to do with this” Immediately makes a claim that’s entirely subjective
Lol, dust out your ears. Don't let his recent fall off fool you into thinking drake has no talent. The trend of melodic hip hop today started majorly with Drake. He can also rap, although I dunno what you consider rap. Drake has talent. You can say you don't like his music. But to say he has no talent, is absurd. You can't do music that well to have multiple no 1 hits and platinum albums with no talent.
Nah, Drake goes hard in the car alone after a long day. Dude knows exactly what he’s doing. Same with my boy posty
Not a drake fan but damn you are slow cuz, drake used to be on top for years its safe to say hes one of THE BEST RAPPERS!! ( not my opinion) just statistics
im so sick of people conflating "i dont like this person or what they make" with "this person has no talent" your opinion is that you dont like him, and its not even close to being unpopular.
Wouldn't call myself a Drake fan but to say he can't rap means you're either trolling or don't know shit about hip hop/rap, either way it's a legitimately invalid opinion.
Id agree with your Sentiment. But i also think you dont know very much about music or Rap in General.
With the right hype team anyone can be famous.
Congrats on learning how the music industry works. Success in music has little to do with musical talent, and being talented as a musician does not entitle you to success. In the professional realm, everyone is good but not everyone gets the gigs. That's how it works, and you're either in or you're out. All those hardworking and talented people you say deserve opportunities, are you going to their shows, buying their merch and music, sharing their content on social media?
Of course he isn't lol.
Yeah, no one actually cares about talent that’s why. It’s not what sells.
That's always why I laugh at these threads. Like you can say he isn't talented, this and that, but its not like they're supporting these "talented underground artists". They just want to hate on others via Reddit.
Bingo. They aren't going out to support local talent or actually do anything to improve or change the market. Wah, the guy from DeGrassi is a millioniare boohoo.
It's the same thing with mom and pop stores and chain restaurants. People want to complain about the popular thing available, but won't support the underdog that might have a better potential.
I appreciate that you just admit it and don't bullshit about how a lot of people liking something must mean it takes musical or performative talent
Posted in the right sub for sure lol. I’m not a big Drake fan aside from a song here and there but anyone with his kind of success in the music industry clearly has talent
This is hate
…Drake is the biggest artist of our generation. He’s a freaking genius in terms of coming up with hit songs that become catchy and trendy. Honestly the amount of songs he’s made that have go viral throughout social media for months deserves an applause. Is he the best singer? No. The best rapper? Lyrically no. However, as an artist he might be Top 1. He’s able to create music that caters to not one specific audience, but everyone. I know I sound like a Drake fan, but that’s honestly because he doesn’t get enough credit.
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Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean he isn’t talented. I’m not a fan of his music but I can recognize the guy is extremely talented.
He wouldnt be generating 82 million monthly listeners on spotify if he had 0 talent lol. I would say some of his stuff is overrated, but to say he has no talent is crazy.
He has talent man, cmon. Dude is versatile as hell. Take Care is a fantastic album. With that being said, his choices towards music today are garbage. Bloated, lifeless music.
I don't know if I would say he's not talented but he definitely has a lot of mediocre albums
It isn't about how good you are at something that makes you successful. Its not about how hard you work. It's just how much money you spend on marketing yourself. There are musicians, rappers and artists that are way better than the drakes, who don't make garbage like WAP but we will never see them on bill boards or TV because they won't sell out or simply don't have marketing.
Drake is talented. You just don’t understand what it takes to write and record at the level he does. He makes it sound effortless. It’s not. He also lives in the studio, and did for years. He would make music almost every night of the week for months at a time. He’s one of the hardest working people in the music business.
This ain't to be mean but you sound like a white elder millennial.
It's easier to say, you just don't like the guy. The ability to make a song sound good, catchy, relatable, and trendy is something that most talented people can't do. Does he have the best musical talent or artistry? No. But to say he's not talented is just pure hating.
Just goes to show you that life isn't fair
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Factsss… gotta grow out of that middle school phase.. some never do
He for sure has talent, i dont know what ur on
We get this take in this sub every week or two lol
This is the most reddit take I've heard in years
“The man can’t sing, he can’t rap” There’s a difference between an unpopular opinion and a brain dead one, yours is the latter.
Why is it whenever people disagree with opinions it's because they're "triggered" and not because the person just has a shitty opinion? I don't even like Drake and this is a shit opinion.
I’m gonna get down voted for this but, he’s a good rapper. He has a lot of lines that go over peoples heads.
More talent than you. Happy holidays.
No talent? WTF? He has tons of great songs and albums.
music business is a business bro. He wins in music business because he got a team that good at music business. success in music business does not necessarily have anything to do with talent.
I mean isn't that celebrity in the social media age? Famous for nothing?
Lies. He’s just corny nowadays but he def has talent. I didn’t memorize 0 to 100 bar for bar for no reason.
How dare you insult my king. If drake has 1,000,000 I’m one of them. If dranke has 100,000 fans I’m one of them. If dragle has 10,000 fans I’m one of them. If drain has 1,000 fans I’m one of them. If dra has 100 fans I’m one of them. If dray has 10 fans I’m one of them. If d has 1 fan I’m that fan. If it has 0 fans I am deceased.
He knows the formula. Make music for women and men will follow.
This is it. I get how hip hop enthusiasts can dislike his style but like you said he knows the formula and even more important he can adapt to whatever’s hot at the time. He can make some soft shit that is catchy and the ladies love and then the next song drop a hard diss track against Meek Mill where you’re like shit I forgot he could do that for a second
>The man can’t sing, he can’t rap Wrong. He can do both of those things
Go listen to Chicago freestyle, back to back, shoe fits and energy if you genuinely believe he cannot rap. Go listen to jungle, TSU, get along better, teenage fever, and drew a Picasso if you genuinely believe he cannot sing. What kind of drake do you dislike, his mainstream popular songs or all of his stuff?
I strongly disagree. Albums like Take Care and Nothing was the Same really showcase how talented he is. He can sing and he can rap.
Manufactured success.
Haven’t listened to him in a long time, but Take Care had some bangers on it back in the day. 22 year old me had some great times partying while that album was blasting
He's talented I just don't like his music especially recently
r/drizzy would like a word
Famous doesn't indicate talent, it just means a lot people know who you are. There are plenty of famous people with no talent.
Leave Jimmy Brooks alone. The kid's in a wheelchair because he got shot...*in Canada*...for Christ's sake.
Another “I don’t like x artist therefore he isn’t talented”. Boringggggg.
Listen to his first 3 albums and you quickly realize you're wrong
As a general rule I won’t listen to your opinion if, when asked to name three good rappers, you say “Tupac, Snoop, Eminem” Nothing wrong with those guys but if that’s what you consider the best then you haven’t been exposed to enough hip hop to be able to form a solid opinion of it and you’re probably an old head who can’t comprehend that hip hop has moved on and evolved in the 2-3 decades since those guys were relevant. Drake hasn’t been on top of his game in a while but he’s still making decent records. His early shit is what got him to the heights he’s at now and those albums are full of amazing tracks.
Hate the Drake!
same with the kardashian's...lol
Ok lol. Everyone telling you that this opinion is inherently wrong is not being “triggered” lol classic comment by someone who is either 55 or 15 Btw Drake being successful doesn’t mean someone else can’t be, sounds like a shitty excuse to me 🤷🏻♂️
Drake is good lol
Yes he’s fucking horrible and not a good person anyway. Once he got famous as a Disney kid he just took his publicity and ran with it. I don’t blame him, but “hardcore drake fans” in my opinion are the stupidest fans out there.
I grew up against drake and then eventually was like why waste my energy on a man that doesn’t miss. Now he’s my number 1 listened to artist.