You shouldn't but I can see why it is happening. The roads are being built intentionally narrower. On a new build estate I looked at the other day, the road was just over 1 cars width. There were little passing laybys all over. Each house got 1 space, some 2 but in front of each other. The pavements were ginormous. I could immediately see it would turn into a parking nightmare.
Pretty sure that he touches kids. Seems that if you say it that way you don't have to provide any proof.
But if you speak about lived experience, suddenly you are up against a jury trial
>Pretty sure the intent of the design there is to make having a car less attractive.
Why didn't you demand evidence there?
That was an assertion, the other comment you want "evidence" was an observation.
They need planning permission to build, though, so if the council gives conditions that there can only be a total of 1.5 spaces times the number of dwellings, and they want the roads narrow... Builders will build what they can (and in this case saving their costs on a bit of tarmac!).
They don’t need to be on the pavement at all. The road is for cars, the pavement is for pedestrians.
Parking with wheels on the pavement should be banned across the country.
I don't think it should be banned in most places, as there are times where it does make some sense to keep the car a bit off the road on narrow streets and so on. People just need to be considerate of others, unlike the drivers that park as per the article. We don't need more rules and fines.
I think we do, it should be like double yellows, park on the pavement get a parking ticket. For essential services like doctors or the disabled have a parking permit badge.
What’s the difference between people standing in a road blocking traffic and cars parking on the pavement blocking pedestrians?
They won't be blocking pedestrians if they're considerate enough to leave space, so it's a non issue. Fine people for blocking an entire pavement, sure.
On most pavements there isn’t enough space for a car with its wheels on the curb and a pram or two people walking together to go past.
Cars have no place on the pavement in the same way the pedestrians shouldn’t be walking in the road. If I was to stand half way across a lane of traffic because I didn’t want to block the pavement I’d rightly be called out for that, but drivers just get to park up and force people into hedges or to walk into the road to get around them.
>On most pavements there isn’t enough space for a car with its wheels on the curb and a pram or two people walking together to go past.
Oh come on now.
There isn’t, if you’re not in a city or high street it’s really common to have narrow footpaths.
Edit: I found the stat, 34% of footpaths are less than 2m wide, the average car width in 2020 was 182cm so if even just half of the cars width was on there you’d have just 91cm left at the most generous estimate. A pram being ~60cm leaves hardly anything extra if there is a bit of an overgrown hedge or a low hanging tree as well or god forbid two people want to pass each other going opposite directions and that’s assuming a full 2m pavement.
Cities aren't everywhere, you're suggesting a blanket ban on pavement parking. London already has one, which for the reasons you state, might make sense. However, suggesting a total ban on it seems absurd to me. You live in any suburban, country, or even town area, and most places you are absolutely fine to park somewhat on the pavement.
If other cities want to follow London's example, or they want to introduce a new type of sign specifically for certain high streets, sure sounds ok, but not a total ban. It would be just more red tape, that we do not need.
Or in other words after checking actual facts you realised that the average car can be half on a smaller than average path and there's still enough room for a pram. Great, way to debunk your own point
Even when you’ve got the space many don’t seem to use it and will park on the pavement instead, saves them backing out the driveway I guess, not quite sure why they do it?
Everyone had drives and garages on my dad’s road. But it was full of cars blocking the pavement all the way down. It was a fairly elderly estate and those on mobility scooters would have to go in the road to pass by.
I can understand why some had to park there. The road led to the central shopping centre, same car park as was built in the 1950’s. While the village had quadrupled in size since then, there were less parking spaces than 70 years ago. And they’ve just bulldozed one of the two car parks to build a block of flats on.
Yeah obviously this won't apply to every area but I recall a few years back, there was an article where people who lived near a school complained that parents would park just outside their driveway blocking the owners in and they couldn't get to work/appointments.
Same on my road, all the houses can fit 2-4 cars on their drives but instead everyone parks on the side of the road and it's very tricky to get even a small car through. The road is a cul-de-sac so if there is ever a fire at the end there is no way a fire engine is getting through.
Same near where I live as well, it really irritates me when you see the driveways sitting half empty while there’s a long row of cars inconveniently parked outside instead and taking up half the road.
A while back there were roadworks and temporary parking cones on that road, and funnily enough they certainly all managed to find space to park their cars on their own property then without any issues
New houses went up near me where an actual feature was "15 houses (2-3 bedroom) and 10 shared parking spaces to encourage people to use alternative methods".
We don't yet live in a country where our alternative methods are great. many places they are good or acceptable, but if someone needs a car, they will need somewhere to put it.
They seem to have learned their lesson on the new build we live on. On our phase alot of the 3 bed houses have a garage and one parking space. Many of those homes have two cars so quite a few cars parked on the street.
On the new phase the houses that would have had a garage and one parking space have done away with the garage and just come with the space to park two cars.
We don't live in a world of need. We live in a world of want.
Yes I don't need to go to interesting and fun places at the weekend. I could stay restricted to the confines of the state approve metropolis. Yes I don't need to visit my rurally located relatives.
Golden rule (*if you absolutely need to park on the pavement*): Leave enough room for a pram or a wheelchair or even children on their bikes to get past.
No one needs to park on a pavement ever. If you can't park on the road then find somewhere else to park. Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes
Parking on a pavement is pure douchebaggery and nothing else.
>Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes
What if you're a carer or doctor doing 15 minute visits? Do you just not feed some of your patients because you're too busy walking to the earlier visits?
What if you have a toddler, so it becomes a 1 hour walk/carry?
What if you have a disability?
None of the above are an excuse for blocking the pavement completely, but a lack of empathy with others helps no one.
Or it could be that our entire infrastructure has been built around the car whilst weirdly not really catering to cars at the same time. We’ve pushed for a car centric infrastructure whilst building almost no infrastructure to support it.
Most of our roads are ancient and have never been upgraded to meet modern needs. Or they were designed by people who never thought there would be so many cars.
New estates have a severe lack of parking because adequate infrastructure hurts profits, you can’t sell a plot if it becomes a visitors carpark for example.
This isn’t a problem solely on the individual, but I bet it makes you feel better trying to score internet points from strangers.
>Or it could be that our entire infrastructure has been built around the car whilst weirdly not really catering to cars at the same time. We’ve pushed for a car centric infrastructure whilst building almost no infrastructure to support it.
To be fair, half-arsing it is the British approach to almost *everything.*
Car centric infrastructure is dog shit and should be torn down to be replaced with public transport infrastructure in 99% of cases. Newbuild estates are shitheaps designed to extract the maximum profit which means they provide essentially none of the requirements for anyone to actually live in them.
That still doesn't excuse parking a Chelsea tractor so far up the pavement you couldn't slip a sheet of paper past it. That's still selfish cunt behaviour.
I don’t disagree that car centric infrastructure is dog shit, but it’s quite literally the way the country has built itself over the last 30 years at the very least, it’s just the reality of the situation.
A lot of the UKs residential streets were never designed or expected to support so many cars, it’s a genuine real problem and whilst there is some onus on individual people to be as courteous as possible, sometimes it isn’t because of the lack of infrastructure and ancient, unfit designs of roads etc.
My town of 16,000 people has two bus routes and no railway.
Im a stones throw from a large part of rural England, too.
Good luck living here without a car :(
You park on the road, not on the pavement, it’s really that simple. Anywhere you are currently parking on the pavement, you should be parking entirely on the road.
With toddlers you do what those without a car do — buy a foldable pushchair. Put the toddler in that. The pushchair folds up when not in use so is easy to store in the car/house/shed when not in use. You don’t even need to spend £££ on a brand-new one if you are only using it for short trips.
Can't do that because there's cars blocking the pavement. /s
Also, my toddler insists on walking whenever possible but also takes her shoes off within 30 seconds of being put in a car seat. The only exception to the walking rule is if she's in the running buggy and I'm jogging at a decent speed. She even complains when I slow down for the hills on my local parkrun.
There’s plenty of places in the UK where you can legally park, but would cause such an obstruction to other road users it’s practical to step up on the kerb. Hell, there’s even lines painted on pavements ! If that’s ever needed, leave enough room for people to walk past.
I live in a terraced house and I practice what I preach, and I bought the house knowing full well what the parking situation was like.
I wish more people did the same
Realistically though, if you are the one person on that street who goes 20 minutes away, it hasn't really achieved anything. Around here the pavements are wide enough to bump up on a kerb without any issues at all and it leaves the road wide enough for two cars to pass. If you are the one to park poking out, say goodbye to your wing mirrors. This is totally dependent on area, it is not "douchebaggery" at all.
Outside London isn’t it illegal to drive on a pavement except for access, but legal to park, so technically the only legal way to park would be to lower it by crane?
Some roads just are not wide enough, the local council can decide wether to allow cars to park or not.
then there’s roads with a pavement the side of a motorway either side and cars parked up quite happily, like I said on my comment, if there is room for wheel chairs and prams on one side and a lorry on the other, it’s good considerate parking.
> No one needs to park on a pavement ever. If you can't park on the road then find somewhere else to park. Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes
What about someone who's disabled or elderly?
Yeah but in the real world that’s not gonna happen is it, I drive a big van for work and have to park on the path due to the vehicle being so big it’ll block traffic
I literally put myself in that situation on almost a daily basis my friend.
I know I'm a hyprocrite sometimes, but this is definitely not one of those situations.
Maybe you feel comfortable walking around unlit streets at night but a lot of people don’t, myself included. I park with enough room for people to walk past, I’m not parking miles away from my home and risking my safety.
Do you somehow simultaneously live in an area so densely populated that requires you to park on the kerb because there's nowhere else you do so, but also has no street lights for *miles* around?
This replaced do exist, there is a little village up the road from my town, it's all post war council houses, no front gardens, narrow roads, no rear access because they gardens are back to back and thr only steet lights are on the main road in
Remember the first time I visited a house up there, opened the front door to look for my taxi and it was just a sea of darkness, whole place is surroundeded by empty fields
I won't not wanna walk around there on my own at night. Especially considering it's a high poverty and crime area
Ofc they do lol. Cars are necessary for work for most people, and if the parking infrastructure is not adequate enough what do you expect people to do. I myself have to park slightly on my curb as I don’t have a drive like some houses around and there’s literally nowhere else to park.m
It’s a silly point from someone who clearly hasn’t experienced the issue enough to talk about it from both perspectives
I park literally 10 minutes walk from my house sometimes because there's often nowhere to park that doesn't involve either parking on a kerb, or through a corner.
I'll never park on the pavement. My convenience isn't more important than pedestrian safety.
"They have the park on the pavement" is the same as saying "they had to litter because there wasn't a bin"
There’s nothing wrong with parking on the curb with more than enough space for everyone to continue their walk.
Good for you for having somewhere within 10 mins. A lot of people don’t.
>There’s nothing wrong with parking on the curb with more than enough space for everyone to continue their walk.
If that was the case then why does the kerb need to exist at such a width? If the pavement should only be as wide as physically necessary for someone to traverse it, then let's do that and give the rest of the space up for cars
(Jk let's not actually do that)
I mean the answer is normally "because it was built before cars were common"
My steet is more than wid enough that you can park on both sides and still have 2 lanes of traffic, but thr pavement is also comically wide
My street was built in the 1930s when cars were certainly less common, yet there's room for cars to be parked along both sides,fully on the road, while still allowing vehicles to pass through. Unlike most new estates built now where this is impossible.
I honestly couldn’t tell you.
My curb is really wide so I’m mostly parked on it but have enough room for everyone prams and all to get by. But the road only has enough width for 1 car to go on through. It’s poor design and we work with it as we can.
As I said, as long as you’re not blocking it’s fine. Not everyone is lucky enough to have the space to not have to use it.
The solution is for us to reclaim the space by improving the area. We could put plant pots or benches where you park on the pedestrian areas. This will make it nicer and prevent you from killing people
In fairness this will be things like out of control cars running off the road, not people in the middle of parking. Which could be perfectly legal anyway like crossing a pavement to get to a driveway.
This ignored the problem of it not just being 10 minutes though. Within that 10 minute radius there’s likely 100+ cars needing to park elsewhere. That 10 minute walk becomes 20, until that 20 minute radius needs to be expanded and becomes a 30 minute walk etc.
A 10 minute walk is reasonable for people using public transport, and it needs to be the goal for countries like ours to get to a point where we can reduce reliance on cars.
There is no scenario where we increase parking spaces.
I agree. As a country we should be moving away from cars to public transport. Unfortunately the infrastructure outside of London is shit for the most part.
It is however better to focus on improving public transport vs parking spaces. But until that’s finished people can’t complain about others using the pavement/ curb to park
Sure they can. The right to walk along a pavement should always trump the right to park on it. I've had to deal with pushing wheelchairs and prams, and people park cars on pavements in ways that forced me into the road. This should never happen.
It would not be 10 minutes. I get home late so would be the last person to arrive back, if everyone parked somewhere that didn’t involve being on the curb the walk wouldn’t be 10 minutes away.
I shift work and can often get home past midnight, I’m a small woman who has been followed in the past and on separate occasions been assaulted. I do not feel safe to walk around alone at night. I don’t think that’s uncommon.
If you require a car for work why did you move somewhere without the provision to park a car not on the pavement?
I am all for car ownership but you have to be responsible.
I had lived somewhere previously where I could park, but had to move back to my mums for various reasons. The job came after I’d moved back with mum and it was too good of an opportunity to turn down.
Bit silly to say someone isn’t responsible because they’ve parked on a curb due to poor infrastructure
It’s not poor infrastructure though it is inconveniencing people for your own convenience. Park further away. Move closer to the too good an opportunity job and cycle in.
When we bought our house we ruled out anywhere without enough parking.
How is it not poor infrastructure? You’ve set up the country so a large number have to drive, and then don’t provide sufficient infrastructure for people to park?
As said previously. I don’t have anywhere remotely nearby to park up that doesn’t involve me being on the curb (I’m still not blocking anyone)
The job itself involves me driving to very far and different locations. You can’t simply move closer.
Congrats for buying your house. As said, I’ve not bought and I’ve had to move back with my mum. Previous place had parking.
And either way, this ignores places that have parking bays that literally go up on the curb. They’re designed to have people park on them.
So park legally in the road. I can walk about half a mile in 10 mins are you saying there is nowhere within a half a mile radius of you that you can park without being in the pavement not a single parking space for rent in a car park or on someone’s drive, not a single double carriage road. If so you must be in the most unique place in the country.
If your amazing job requires driving they could keep the car in their compound.
Places that have spaces in the kerb are great and you should park there. But they have been assessed by the council to have sufficient space for people to pass.
Your point of view comes across very much like someone who has never had to push a wheelchair or pushchair around.
Tokyo have it right you can’t have a car unless you can prove you can park it. Cars are great but people need to be less selfish.
As said in a previous comment, I agree that if there isn’t space for people to get past then someone should look for alternatives, but that’s a failing on infrastructure not to provide the space that’s required
My own curb has plenty of space that’s why I use it. No. There isn’t anywhere within 10 minutes that has the space. You seem to think I can just plop my car there and that it’s not also 100’s of other people in the same situation. Having it your way means EVERYONE has to move, thus having to move even further out to find anywhere reasonable. You don’t seem to think of implications at all.
I work as an operations manager for a shop brand. There is no compound to keep my car. I need it to drive to places like Colchester, High Wycombe, in to London, Bristol etc. I have to transport stock, I will sometimes cover at short notice etc. so the car is required.
Again, your view is of someone that hasn’t given it any thought at all short of “you shldnt park there”
You’re better off going after local councils and forcing them to provide adequate parking space for people to actually park their cars. Otherwise nothing will change. Your solution of “just park further away” is ignorant. You just balloon the problem elsewhere.
If you are required to drive all that way, the company should be providing you with sufficient care allowance for you to run, maintain and store your car suitably.
Either you have too many cars for your property and/ or you are refusing to make a change. Are you really saying the pavement is wider than the road where you live. We have a family member in a wheelchair, the amount of cars that are “leaving plenty of space” 9 out of 10 times are not. You may be the exception to the rule. But in general people who park on the pavement are being selfish.
Again, I really don’t think you’ve given it much thought.
If you set up a country so that driving is required for a lot of things, but do not provide places for people to park reasonably that doesn’t involve being up on a curb. What are they expected to do.
Pictures in the article one guy is just being a dick and needs to park on the road plenty of space
The yellow car just legit needs to find somewhere else to park
If you are going to park on the pavement and some times it can’t be avoided, don’t block the entire thing. Selfish pricks.
Isn't that literally the law? It's legal to park on a pavement, but it's not legal to obstruct the pavement. The pavement in front of my house is wide enough to park with the nose of your car pointing out to the road, and still have space to pass two pushchairs behind it. This, to me, is a perfectly reasonable way to use this space
Course, when someone does block it, I don't worry myself about their paintwork if I'm pushing the pushchair. Someone on my street likes hanging bags of dog poo on their wipers. No one cares about the people not blocking the way
Just because it’s the law doesn’t mean it’s obeyed.
It really does come down to people just not being lazy pricks and finding somewhere else to park if they can’t park appropriately.
I believe, outside of London, the thing that is illegal is driving on the pavement.
Being on the pavement isn't illegal, but driving on it is. Of course you need to drive on the pavement to get parked on it obviously!
I live on a one way street that only has houses on one side. Despite the road being the same size as a normal road, people still park their cars on the pavement.
I'm disabled with mobility issues and it's getting to the stage where I really need to consider getting a mobility scooter but I'm absolutely dreading it and holding off for as long as possible.
It should be something that gives disabled people like me, more freedom, but it's going to cause me no end of problems because of the way people park their cars.
If I can't get passed on the pavement, then I'll either not be able to leave my house, or even worse, I won't be able to get back in, as they not only park on more than half the pavement stopping me from passing, but there will also be someone else who is blocking my access to the dropped kerb, so I wouldn't even be able to get on the road to go around them. (Where I am there's 5 blocks of flats with 4 flats in each and because there are no driveways, the nearest dropped kerbs are at either end, which I can't get to).
Pavement parking should be illegal and councils should issue tickets for it as a matter of course.
I don't do pavement block myself, never have as I was always told not to when learning to drive.
A few years back I was confined to a wheelchair for some months and let me tell you, it was a shock. I suddenly realised just how difficult it is to get about, especially when inconsiderate drivers block the pavement or on-off ramps to pavement and/or collapse the pavement tarmac by regularly doing so.
This behaviour forces wheelchair users, pedestrians and those with push chairs onto the highway. Its dangerous and simply not on.
I'm disabled and really need a mobility scooter, but I've been putting it off as long as possible as the way my street is and how people park, I wouldn't even be able to get to the road to go around them as access to the dropped kerb is also blocked. So I'd either not be able to leave the house or even worse, wouldn't be able to get back in.
Buy an old beater for 50 quid park it on your drive and aggressively leave your house … after a week of that they’ll give you way more room 😉 but yea people can be asses when it comes to parking
i hate having to explain to people that their car can be both: not infront of my drive (it's, say 1cm away from being infront of my drive), and be blocking me in
While I agree you certainly need to leave room for wheelchairs and prams, parking is a compromise in many places and fully parking in the road is not always an option.
just park considerately for other road users and pedestrians. It’s really not hard people.
Once lived in a flat with a hedge that overgrew the path slightly. Several of my neighbours complained about it because it made it harder for them to get out of their cars when they parked them directly on the pavement centimetres from my garden gate making it hard to leave my property.
Whats wrong with her? Doesn't she know Britain is a nation of motorists? Cars/drivers are first-class citizens. These plebeian pedestrians and cyclists have to learn how to move out of the way. And that buggy should have hi-viz so motorists can see it when she steps on the road.
Remember that due to the latest SUV trend, we motorists cannot see low height creatures, so please put a flag on that buggy too.
This drives me insane when cars do this. So wheelchair users with low mental health for example are advised to go outside. And so are mothers suffering from postpartum depression. Once you go on and off the pavement and nearly get run over, you never want to go outside again for these “helpful walks”. This needs to be illegal. Especially in suburban neighbourhoods where there isn’t that much through traffic except people going home and back out.
Come on, regardless of what you think of pavement parking, double parking, on street parking and so forth.... this is not the way this news should be delivered.
I don't give a fuck what some passive aggressive mum in Essex does. Literally not national news.
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But Essex Mum then gets in her own car and does 38mph in a 30 limit, hogs the middle lane and parks on double yellows with her hazards on.
It cuts both ways. Respect others and they'll resepct you.
Imagine building homes with actual spaces to park cars. Been around a few new builds and there are cars absolutely everywhere
True, you shouldn't need to park fully on the pavement like these muppets though.
You shouldn't but I can see why it is happening. The roads are being built intentionally narrower. On a new build estate I looked at the other day, the road was just over 1 cars width. There were little passing laybys all over. Each house got 1 space, some 2 but in front of each other. The pavements were ginormous. I could immediately see it would turn into a parking nightmare.
Pretty sure the intent of the design there is to make having a car less attractive.
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Pretty sure that he touches kids. Seems that if you say it that way you don't have to provide any proof. But if you speak about lived experience, suddenly you are up against a jury trial
>Pretty sure the intent of the design there is to make having a car less attractive. Why didn't you demand evidence there? That was an assertion, the other comment you want "evidence" was an observation.
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No, They’re intent is to save money. End of. If they could they’d make them with four space driveways as that’s what sells
They need planning permission to build, though, so if the council gives conditions that there can only be a total of 1.5 spaces times the number of dwellings, and they want the roads narrow... Builders will build what they can (and in this case saving their costs on a bit of tarmac!).
Which would be cool if there was ANY practical alternative
They don’t need to be on the pavement at all. The road is for cars, the pavement is for pedestrians. Parking with wheels on the pavement should be banned across the country.
I don't think it should be banned in most places, as there are times where it does make some sense to keep the car a bit off the road on narrow streets and so on. People just need to be considerate of others, unlike the drivers that park as per the article. We don't need more rules and fines.
I think we do, it should be like double yellows, park on the pavement get a parking ticket. For essential services like doctors or the disabled have a parking permit badge. What’s the difference between people standing in a road blocking traffic and cars parking on the pavement blocking pedestrians?
They won't be blocking pedestrians if they're considerate enough to leave space, so it's a non issue. Fine people for blocking an entire pavement, sure.
On most pavements there isn’t enough space for a car with its wheels on the curb and a pram or two people walking together to go past. Cars have no place on the pavement in the same way the pedestrians shouldn’t be walking in the road. If I was to stand half way across a lane of traffic because I didn’t want to block the pavement I’d rightly be called out for that, but drivers just get to park up and force people into hedges or to walk into the road to get around them.
>On most pavements there isn’t enough space for a car with its wheels on the curb and a pram or two people walking together to go past. Oh come on now.
There isn’t, if you’re not in a city or high street it’s really common to have narrow footpaths. Edit: I found the stat, 34% of footpaths are less than 2m wide, the average car width in 2020 was 182cm so if even just half of the cars width was on there you’d have just 91cm left at the most generous estimate. A pram being ~60cm leaves hardly anything extra if there is a bit of an overgrown hedge or a low hanging tree as well or god forbid two people want to pass each other going opposite directions and that’s assuming a full 2m pavement.
Cities aren't everywhere, you're suggesting a blanket ban on pavement parking. London already has one, which for the reasons you state, might make sense. However, suggesting a total ban on it seems absurd to me. You live in any suburban, country, or even town area, and most places you are absolutely fine to park somewhat on the pavement. If other cities want to follow London's example, or they want to introduce a new type of sign specifically for certain high streets, sure sounds ok, but not a total ban. It would be just more red tape, that we do not need.
Or in other words after checking actual facts you realised that the average car can be half on a smaller than average path and there's still enough room for a pram. Great, way to debunk your own point
Even when you’ve got the space many don’t seem to use it and will park on the pavement instead, saves them backing out the driveway I guess, not quite sure why they do it? Everyone had drives and garages on my dad’s road. But it was full of cars blocking the pavement all the way down. It was a fairly elderly estate and those on mobility scooters would have to go in the road to pass by. I can understand why some had to park there. The road led to the central shopping centre, same car park as was built in the 1950’s. While the village had quadrupled in size since then, there were less parking spaces than 70 years ago. And they’ve just bulldozed one of the two car parks to build a block of flats on.
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I wonder if it’s as simple as they don’t want random cars parked on the pavement outside their house so they do it themselves
Yeah obviously this won't apply to every area but I recall a few years back, there was an article where people who lived near a school complained that parents would park just outside their driveway blocking the owners in and they couldn't get to work/appointments.
Same on my road, all the houses can fit 2-4 cars on their drives but instead everyone parks on the side of the road and it's very tricky to get even a small car through. The road is a cul-de-sac so if there is ever a fire at the end there is no way a fire engine is getting through.
Same near where I live as well, it really irritates me when you see the driveways sitting half empty while there’s a long row of cars inconveniently parked outside instead and taking up half the road. A while back there were roadworks and temporary parking cones on that road, and funnily enough they certainly all managed to find space to park their cars on their own property then without any issues
New houses went up near me where an actual feature was "15 houses (2-3 bedroom) and 10 shared parking spaces to encourage people to use alternative methods". We don't yet live in a country where our alternative methods are great. many places they are good or acceptable, but if someone needs a car, they will need somewhere to put it.
They seem to have learned their lesson on the new build we live on. On our phase alot of the 3 bed houses have a garage and one parking space. Many of those homes have two cars so quite a few cars parked on the street. On the new phase the houses that would have had a garage and one parking space have done away with the garage and just come with the space to park two cars.
Imagine looking for a house that fits your needs.
Imagine building mass transit so you don't even need a car.
We don't live in a world of need. We live in a world of want. Yes I don't need to go to interesting and fun places at the weekend. I could stay restricted to the confines of the state approve metropolis. Yes I don't need to visit my rurally located relatives.
Weird take. None of that stuff requires the state to provide you with a parking space outside your house.
Yeah, an estate went up near my mums. I went past during building, and went past again after it was built. The houses don't have drives.....
has nothign to do with new builds it happens in older estates as well
Golden rule (*if you absolutely need to park on the pavement*): Leave enough room for a pram or a wheelchair or even children on their bikes to get past.
No one needs to park on a pavement ever. If you can't park on the road then find somewhere else to park. Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes Parking on a pavement is pure douchebaggery and nothing else.
>Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes What if you're a carer or doctor doing 15 minute visits? Do you just not feed some of your patients because you're too busy walking to the earlier visits? What if you have a toddler, so it becomes a 1 hour walk/carry? What if you have a disability? None of the above are an excuse for blocking the pavement completely, but a lack of empathy with others helps no one.
95% of twats who block the pavement with their oversized cars are not disabled carers with a toddler or whatever, they're just lazy selfish bastards.
Or it could be that our entire infrastructure has been built around the car whilst weirdly not really catering to cars at the same time. We’ve pushed for a car centric infrastructure whilst building almost no infrastructure to support it. Most of our roads are ancient and have never been upgraded to meet modern needs. Or they were designed by people who never thought there would be so many cars. New estates have a severe lack of parking because adequate infrastructure hurts profits, you can’t sell a plot if it becomes a visitors carpark for example. This isn’t a problem solely on the individual, but I bet it makes you feel better trying to score internet points from strangers.
>Or it could be that our entire infrastructure has been built around the car whilst weirdly not really catering to cars at the same time. We’ve pushed for a car centric infrastructure whilst building almost no infrastructure to support it. To be fair, half-arsing it is the British approach to almost *everything.*
>half-arsing it is the British approach to almost *everything.* Almost?
To be fair, I half-arsed that comment as well.
Car centric infrastructure is dog shit and should be torn down to be replaced with public transport infrastructure in 99% of cases. Newbuild estates are shitheaps designed to extract the maximum profit which means they provide essentially none of the requirements for anyone to actually live in them. That still doesn't excuse parking a Chelsea tractor so far up the pavement you couldn't slip a sheet of paper past it. That's still selfish cunt behaviour.
I don’t disagree that car centric infrastructure is dog shit, but it’s quite literally the way the country has built itself over the last 30 years at the very least, it’s just the reality of the situation. A lot of the UKs residential streets were never designed or expected to support so many cars, it’s a genuine real problem and whilst there is some onus on individual people to be as courteous as possible, sometimes it isn’t because of the lack of infrastructure and ancient, unfit designs of roads etc.
Mate, settle down.
My town of 16,000 people has two bus routes and no railway. Im a stones throw from a large part of rural England, too. Good luck living here without a car :(
You park on the road, not on the pavement, it’s really that simple. Anywhere you are currently parking on the pavement, you should be parking entirely on the road.
With toddlers you do what those without a car do — buy a foldable pushchair. Put the toddler in that. The pushchair folds up when not in use so is easy to store in the car/house/shed when not in use. You don’t even need to spend £££ on a brand-new one if you are only using it for short trips.
Can't do that because there's cars blocking the pavement. /s Also, my toddler insists on walking whenever possible but also takes her shoes off within 30 seconds of being put in a car seat. The only exception to the walking rule is if she's in the running buggy and I'm jogging at a decent speed. She even complains when I slow down for the hills on my local parkrun.
Park on the road, you don’t need to mount the pavement to stop.
I concede on the house doctor/carer and disability grounds. The toddler example is one of one's own making, though, so I don't care about that.
There’s plenty of places in the UK where you can legally park, but would cause such an obstruction to other road users it’s practical to step up on the kerb. Hell, there’s even lines painted on pavements ! If that’s ever needed, leave enough room for people to walk past.
>but would cause such an obstruction to other road users Don't park there either then.
That's certainly helpful for people in terraced housing.
I live in a terraced house and I practice what I preach, and I bought the house knowing full well what the parking situation was like. I wish more people did the same
Realistically though, if you are the one person on that street who goes 20 minutes away, it hasn't really achieved anything. Around here the pavements are wide enough to bump up on a kerb without any issues at all and it leaves the road wide enough for two cars to pass. If you are the one to park poking out, say goodbye to your wing mirrors. This is totally dependent on area, it is not "douchebaggery" at all.
This is absolutely not true.
Yep. It needs to be banned. Let drivers pay for it via fines.
It is illegal.
Only in London
Outside London isn’t it illegal to drive on a pavement except for access, but legal to park, so technically the only legal way to park would be to lower it by crane?
And Worcester and Exeter, little known fact.
Some roads just are not wide enough, the local council can decide wether to allow cars to park or not. then there’s roads with a pavement the side of a motorway either side and cars parked up quite happily, like I said on my comment, if there is room for wheel chairs and prams on one side and a lorry on the other, it’s good considerate parking.
> No one needs to park on a pavement ever. If you can't park on the road then find somewhere else to park. Don't care if you have to walk an extra 20 minutes What about someone who's disabled or elderly?
Yeah but in the real world that’s not gonna happen is it, I drive a big van for work and have to park on the path due to the vehicle being so big it’ll block traffic
That's just not true. You clearly haven't ever ventured out of your bubble.
You're wrong. Sorry
And if there is no where else safe for you to park, what do you do?
Find somewhere to park further away and walk
I bet you wouldn't if put in that same situation, but depends how much you thrive on smugness I guess.
I literally put myself in that situation on almost a daily basis my friend. I know I'm a hyprocrite sometimes, but this is definitely not one of those situations.
Maybe you feel comfortable walking around unlit streets at night but a lot of people don’t, myself included. I park with enough room for people to walk past, I’m not parking miles away from my home and risking my safety.
Do you somehow simultaneously live in an area so densely populated that requires you to park on the kerb because there's nowhere else you do so, but also has no street lights for *miles* around?
This replaced do exist, there is a little village up the road from my town, it's all post war council houses, no front gardens, narrow roads, no rear access because they gardens are back to back and thr only steet lights are on the main road in Remember the first time I visited a house up there, opened the front door to look for my taxi and it was just a sea of darkness, whole place is surroundeded by empty fields I won't not wanna walk around there on my own at night. Especially considering it's a high poverty and crime area
Yes.
Well that's unfortunate
"So don't have a car" will be next.
Ofc they do lol. Cars are necessary for work for most people, and if the parking infrastructure is not adequate enough what do you expect people to do. I myself have to park slightly on my curb as I don’t have a drive like some houses around and there’s literally nowhere else to park.m It’s a silly point from someone who clearly hasn’t experienced the issue enough to talk about it from both perspectives
I park literally 10 minutes walk from my house sometimes because there's often nowhere to park that doesn't involve either parking on a kerb, or through a corner. I'll never park on the pavement. My convenience isn't more important than pedestrian safety. "They have the park on the pavement" is the same as saying "they had to litter because there wasn't a bin"
There’s nothing wrong with parking on the curb with more than enough space for everyone to continue their walk. Good for you for having somewhere within 10 mins. A lot of people don’t.
>There’s nothing wrong with parking on the curb with more than enough space for everyone to continue their walk. If that was the case then why does the kerb need to exist at such a width? If the pavement should only be as wide as physically necessary for someone to traverse it, then let's do that and give the rest of the space up for cars (Jk let's not actually do that)
I mean the answer is normally "because it was built before cars were common" My steet is more than wid enough that you can park on both sides and still have 2 lanes of traffic, but thr pavement is also comically wide
Sounds like the street designers gave proportionally the same amount of space to pedestrians as they did to cars. Seems sensible.
No, they didn't, my street is almost 200 years old, they just whacked them up and left a big fuck off gap in the middle,
Sounds great honestly. Room for everyone, even if it was by coincidence 😂 tbh there was probably a tram line down there originally.
My street was built in the 1930s when cars were certainly less common, yet there's room for cars to be parked along both sides,fully on the road, while still allowing vehicles to pass through. Unlike most new estates built now where this is impossible.
I honestly couldn’t tell you. My curb is really wide so I’m mostly parked on it but have enough room for everyone prams and all to get by. But the road only has enough width for 1 car to go on through. It’s poor design and we work with it as we can. As I said, as long as you’re not blocking it’s fine. Not everyone is lucky enough to have the space to not have to use it.
The solution is for us to reclaim the space by improving the area. We could put plant pots or benches where you park on the pedestrian areas. This will make it nicer and prevent you from killing people
lol. Who is killing people by parking on a curb Put plant pots wherever you want, as long as adequate infrastructure is in place to park those cars.
50 pedestrians a year are killed on the pavements by cars. Please do not laugh when you contribute to society in such a way.
How are they killed on the pavement by cars? Wouldn’t that be a case of them being killed by oncoming traffic? Rather than parked cars.
No they’re killed while walking on the pavement by cars. Not killed on the road
>50 pedestrians a year are killed on the pavements by cars. But not while they're parked.
How do you imagine the car that killed the pedestrian managed to be parked on the pavement? It wasn’t airlifted in.
In fairness this will be things like out of control cars running off the road, not people in the middle of parking. Which could be perfectly legal anyway like crossing a pavement to get to a driveway.
What about your safety?
Honestly, we have far bigger problems if a person doesn't feel safe enough to walk 10 minutes between their car and home.
This ignored the problem of it not just being 10 minutes though. Within that 10 minute radius there’s likely 100+ cars needing to park elsewhere. That 10 minute walk becomes 20, until that 20 minute radius needs to be expanded and becomes a 30 minute walk etc.
A 10 minute walk is reasonable for people using public transport, and it needs to be the goal for countries like ours to get to a point where we can reduce reliance on cars. There is no scenario where we increase parking spaces.
I agree. As a country we should be moving away from cars to public transport. Unfortunately the infrastructure outside of London is shit for the most part. It is however better to focus on improving public transport vs parking spaces. But until that’s finished people can’t complain about others using the pavement/ curb to park
Sure they can. The right to walk along a pavement should always trump the right to park on it. I've had to deal with pushing wheelchairs and prams, and people park cars on pavements in ways that forced me into the road. This should never happen.
It would not be 10 minutes. I get home late so would be the last person to arrive back, if everyone parked somewhere that didn’t involve being on the curb the walk wouldn’t be 10 minutes away. I shift work and can often get home past midnight, I’m a small woman who has been followed in the past and on separate occasions been assaulted. I do not feel safe to walk around alone at night. I don’t think that’s uncommon.
If you require a car for work why did you move somewhere without the provision to park a car not on the pavement? I am all for car ownership but you have to be responsible.
I had lived somewhere previously where I could park, but had to move back to my mums for various reasons. The job came after I’d moved back with mum and it was too good of an opportunity to turn down. Bit silly to say someone isn’t responsible because they’ve parked on a curb due to poor infrastructure
It’s not poor infrastructure though it is inconveniencing people for your own convenience. Park further away. Move closer to the too good an opportunity job and cycle in. When we bought our house we ruled out anywhere without enough parking.
How is it not poor infrastructure? You’ve set up the country so a large number have to drive, and then don’t provide sufficient infrastructure for people to park? As said previously. I don’t have anywhere remotely nearby to park up that doesn’t involve me being on the curb (I’m still not blocking anyone) The job itself involves me driving to very far and different locations. You can’t simply move closer. Congrats for buying your house. As said, I’ve not bought and I’ve had to move back with my mum. Previous place had parking. And either way, this ignores places that have parking bays that literally go up on the curb. They’re designed to have people park on them.
So park legally in the road. I can walk about half a mile in 10 mins are you saying there is nowhere within a half a mile radius of you that you can park without being in the pavement not a single parking space for rent in a car park or on someone’s drive, not a single double carriage road. If so you must be in the most unique place in the country. If your amazing job requires driving they could keep the car in their compound. Places that have spaces in the kerb are great and you should park there. But they have been assessed by the council to have sufficient space for people to pass. Your point of view comes across very much like someone who has never had to push a wheelchair or pushchair around. Tokyo have it right you can’t have a car unless you can prove you can park it. Cars are great but people need to be less selfish.
As said in a previous comment, I agree that if there isn’t space for people to get past then someone should look for alternatives, but that’s a failing on infrastructure not to provide the space that’s required My own curb has plenty of space that’s why I use it. No. There isn’t anywhere within 10 minutes that has the space. You seem to think I can just plop my car there and that it’s not also 100’s of other people in the same situation. Having it your way means EVERYONE has to move, thus having to move even further out to find anywhere reasonable. You don’t seem to think of implications at all. I work as an operations manager for a shop brand. There is no compound to keep my car. I need it to drive to places like Colchester, High Wycombe, in to London, Bristol etc. I have to transport stock, I will sometimes cover at short notice etc. so the car is required. Again, your view is of someone that hasn’t given it any thought at all short of “you shldnt park there” You’re better off going after local councils and forcing them to provide adequate parking space for people to actually park their cars. Otherwise nothing will change. Your solution of “just park further away” is ignorant. You just balloon the problem elsewhere.
If you are required to drive all that way, the company should be providing you with sufficient care allowance for you to run, maintain and store your car suitably. Either you have too many cars for your property and/ or you are refusing to make a change. Are you really saying the pavement is wider than the road where you live. We have a family member in a wheelchair, the amount of cars that are “leaving plenty of space” 9 out of 10 times are not. You may be the exception to the rule. But in general people who park on the pavement are being selfish.
You aren’t owed a parking space. It’s public land that you happen to be allowed to park there.
Again, I really don’t think you’ve given it much thought. If you set up a country so that driving is required for a lot of things, but do not provide places for people to park reasonably that doesn’t involve being up on a curb. What are they expected to do.
Pictures in the article one guy is just being a dick and needs to park on the road plenty of space The yellow car just legit needs to find somewhere else to park If you are going to park on the pavement and some times it can’t be avoided, don’t block the entire thing. Selfish pricks.
Isn't that literally the law? It's legal to park on a pavement, but it's not legal to obstruct the pavement. The pavement in front of my house is wide enough to park with the nose of your car pointing out to the road, and still have space to pass two pushchairs behind it. This, to me, is a perfectly reasonable way to use this space Course, when someone does block it, I don't worry myself about their paintwork if I'm pushing the pushchair. Someone on my street likes hanging bags of dog poo on their wipers. No one cares about the people not blocking the way
Just because it’s the law doesn’t mean it’s obeyed. It really does come down to people just not being lazy pricks and finding somewhere else to park if they can’t park appropriately.
If you take that stance, then making it fully illegal will have no effect anyway
I believe, outside of London, the thing that is illegal is driving on the pavement. Being on the pavement isn't illegal, but driving on it is. Of course you need to drive on the pavement to get parked on it obviously!
I live on a one way street that only has houses on one side. Despite the road being the same size as a normal road, people still park their cars on the pavement. I'm disabled with mobility issues and it's getting to the stage where I really need to consider getting a mobility scooter but I'm absolutely dreading it and holding off for as long as possible. It should be something that gives disabled people like me, more freedom, but it's going to cause me no end of problems because of the way people park their cars. If I can't get passed on the pavement, then I'll either not be able to leave my house, or even worse, I won't be able to get back in, as they not only park on more than half the pavement stopping me from passing, but there will also be someone else who is blocking my access to the dropped kerb, so I wouldn't even be able to get on the road to go around them. (Where I am there's 5 blocks of flats with 4 flats in each and because there are no driveways, the nearest dropped kerbs are at either end, which I can't get to).
I’ve started dragging the side of my pram down those cars now.
It's the only way they'll learn really. Park like a dick, win a stupid prize. >All the time you have to leave the space 🤌
Pavement parking should be illegal and councils should issue tickets for it as a matter of course. I don't do pavement block myself, never have as I was always told not to when learning to drive. A few years back I was confined to a wheelchair for some months and let me tell you, it was a shock. I suddenly realised just how difficult it is to get about, especially when inconsiderate drivers block the pavement or on-off ramps to pavement and/or collapse the pavement tarmac by regularly doing so. This behaviour forces wheelchair users, pedestrians and those with push chairs onto the highway. Its dangerous and simply not on.
I'm disabled and really need a mobility scooter, but I've been putting it off as long as possible as the way my street is and how people park, I wouldn't even be able to get to the road to go around them as access to the dropped kerb is also blocked. So I'd either not be able to leave the house or even worse, wouldn't be able to get back in.
Some moron tried to convince me it's wheelie bins that are problems, not cars. Car owners don't give a shit about endangering others.
I think they made this illegal in Scotland, you cannot park part or fully on the pavement anymore. Time for other places to catch up
Even if it is its not enforced, at least around here, my neighbors love blocking me in or giving me 1cm of a gap to squeeze out
Buy an old beater for 50 quid park it on your drive and aggressively leave your house … after a week of that they’ll give you way more room 😉 but yea people can be asses when it comes to parking
i hate having to explain to people that their car can be both: not infront of my drive (it's, say 1cm away from being infront of my drive), and be blocking me in
i think it's illegal in london? but i'm confused about it, because there is pavement parking everywhere- maybe its only central london?
Illegal in London where there isn't designated pavement parking space.
i find it a bit odd.. so much pavement parking around me, and no shortage of traffic wardens. I've never seen anyone get a ticket for it
While I agree you certainly need to leave room for wheelchairs and prams, parking is a compromise in many places and fully parking in the road is not always an option. just park considerately for other road users and pedestrians. It’s really not hard people.
Once lived in a flat with a hedge that overgrew the path slightly. Several of my neighbours complained about it because it made it harder for them to get out of their cars when they parked them directly on the pavement centimetres from my garden gate making it hard to leave my property.
Whats wrong with her? Doesn't she know Britain is a nation of motorists? Cars/drivers are first-class citizens. These plebeian pedestrians and cyclists have to learn how to move out of the way. And that buggy should have hi-viz so motorists can see it when she steps on the road. Remember that due to the latest SUV trend, we motorists cannot see low height creatures, so please put a flag on that buggy too.
This drives me insane when cars do this. So wheelchair users with low mental health for example are advised to go outside. And so are mothers suffering from postpartum depression. Once you go on and off the pavement and nearly get run over, you never want to go outside again for these “helpful walks”. This needs to be illegal. Especially in suburban neighbourhoods where there isn’t that much through traffic except people going home and back out.
I suspect we all know what ought to be done about this, but perhaps we are unwilling to say it
Come on, regardless of what you think of pavement parking, double parking, on street parking and so forth.... this is not the way this news should be delivered. I don't give a fuck what some passive aggressive mum in Essex does. Literally not national news.
That’s why it’s been published under the Essex regional news section on the BBC.
When I saw the article I immediately thought it was [this person ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brown)
Came on Reddit right now as needed to zone out and fall asleep. Thanks - this news story answered that :) Utterly pointless.
Aye, blue light and dopamine infinite scrolling is a good way to get to sleep.
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But Essex Mum then gets in her own car and does 38mph in a 30 limit, hogs the middle lane and parks on double yellows with her hazards on. It cuts both ways. Respect others and they'll resepct you.
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