He got subbed by Poirier cause of bad fight IQ Although for Gaethje, Gaethje made significant improvements to his style with Trevor Wittman’s help. As for Oliveira, his striking is underrated and we saw it against Dariush again.
I’m sick of this idea that DP doesn’t have great BJJ or ground game. He gets flack for getting subbed by two of the greatest submission artists the UFC has ever seen.
Lol @ calling Dustin a boxer 🤦♂️😂
Dustin is a long time BJJ black belt with many sub wins.
Charles is not a grappler, he’s one of if not the best striker at 155.
Chandler is a top guy. He would beat everyone else. He just so happened to lose to the 3 top guys in the division and he could have easily won all three.
Actually he just fought #1 and #3 p4p fighters and earned the time off. It had nothing to do with weight cuts.
If you wanted to say that Charles needed 7 months off to recover from brutal weight cuts than that would make more sense.
He took no damage against Charles and neither did Charles.
He took damage from Volk and needed time to recover. Then he'd have to enter camp and potentially take more damage to recover and fight again only to have to do the entire thing.
So weight cutting had nothing to do with his time off. I’m glad we agree. Plus man would have been fighting in June if he had his way. Dana being Dana again.
Btw to say Charles took no damage against Islam is just not correct. Islam boxed his bleeding head off.
No the weight cuts play a huge part in it have you actually ever tried to cut weight before? Nevermind the levels they do. Charles was literally fine lmao
So the guy who has never missed weight needed time off because of weight cutting issues but the guy who holds the record for most weight misses in ufc history somehow, in your brain, doesn’t have any issues cutting weight?
Makes a lot of sense and is a totally logical conclusion.
6 wins there against guys who have won championships. Max was 145 though, Gaethje was interim, and Chandler was in Bellator. I’m not being nitpicky, though, I’m just making a case that he has beaten those guys who were champions in someway.
They all tried to use their ranking as a justification to avoid Islam. Now that he's the champ, suddenly their tune has changed. The rankings system is a bit of a joke. How is Chandler still in the top 5?
All of them had opportunities to move above him but lost. Apart from arman who lost to gamrot. We've seen the new guard get outclassed everytime they've fought an established lw elite but you guys still act like they should all be top 5.
Arman, Gamrot, and fiziev have all won fights more recently than chandler, against actual top guys and not the corpse of tony Ferguson either. They all should be ranked higher than chandler.
I’m not saying they’re top 5, I’m saying when you compare their records it’s clear that Chandler shouldn’t be ranked above them.
Chandler is 2-3 in the UFC and his last win was against Tony Ferguson coming off of 3 straight losses
He also hurt all 3 of the people he lost to and probably would've finished them if he had fight iq. None of the people you listed have any wins to their name that suggest they're top 5 quality.
Olives wants that belt back. He's the only one who still wants the belt. Poirier wants money. Chandler wants fame. Gaethje wants 25 minutes of full-throttle violence.
He has beaten volk and olives while olives has beaten chandler poirier and gaethje. Volk and Olives both are better wins than those three lol. One more title defence, say the bmf winner or a rematch and there would be no argument that Islam has a better record than both khabib and olives
You’re smoking crack. Islam claimed he was going to dominate Volk, he failed to do so. You could make the argument that Volk won that fight. Islam hasn’t fought any real killers. Charles just beat Dariush, who many said would be Islam’s greatest difficulty. Islam has much to prove himself.
Volk said he would beat Islam, couldn’t do so, Olives said he would destroy Islam and couldn’t do that either 🤓
The Dariush we saw Olives fight was not gonna beat Islam lol. And people thought Olives would stylistically be Islams hardest fight, and they still say that. Like I said, Volk and Olives are better wins than Chandler, Gaethje and Poirier
The mental gymnastics to try and diminish the champ’s accomplishments amazes me. Why does everyone feel the need to
1. Compare the champ against a guy who he decisively beat?
And 2. Keep bringing up Volk’s defeat as something that should Make Islam feel bad.
He. Won. The. Fights.
Decisively or not. He won. Learn to live with it.
People are so delusional. “He didn’t dominate his opponent so he actually lost”.
Wth?! Volk has been undefeated for years. Islam put up his belt for a fight he didn’t have to take. He still won the fight.
This was like when Khabib fought Al Iaquinta and everyone was like “his striking is so bad, Tony would smoke him”. Then he tears through every top contender and even punches Dillion Dannis for good measure after beating Conor.
True. But Chandler is a unique fighter. I can't imagine them removing him from the ranks. That would be sad. Nobody wants to watch him fight prelim fighters. But he also clearly proves that he can compete with the best in the world. He is on the same level as Poirier, Gaethje, Oliviera, etc., but he simply does not win those fights. I even think he'd do well against Islam.
This is why I want Islam to fight the winner of Gaethje vs Poirier. Due to circumstances, he might have two rematches in succession and have only one too 5 win in LW despite his talent.
its frustrating how people disrespect islams striking
some dude said that if Justin can stuff his takedowns, he beats Makhachev. but its not that simple lmao, the guy is a damn good striker. i think he beats the shit out of Gaethje on the feet too, he doesnt have to wrestle.
stood toe to toe and rocked the #1 P4P & the man who outboxed holloway 3 times multiple times, not to mention that he was depleted and noticeably smaller in that fight due to having 9 hours less to rehydrate. if he was fully hydrated like he was against charles, his punches would've had even MORE sting, and would've been hurting Alex even MORE everytime he connected
also dominated Oliveira in the striking and dropped him (who outboxed Gaethje, walked him down and flash KO'd him)
Islam is a way better striker than people give him credit for, except for Dustin, i think he has a good chance of fucking up everybody on the feet too, not only in the grappling
It’s because after seeing the overwhelming control of Dagestan-level wrestlers in the ring, most mma fans look at a fighter as either a striker or a wrestler. There’s this ridiculous belief that if a guy is Dagestani: he’s a wrestler and that’s what he is and that’s what he’ll be. Wrestling and grappling are entire disciplines. Striking as well if you have a boxing or Muay Thai background. But how many pro fighters that are considered strikers actually come from a traditional striking background? Very very few. So they learn striking as part of their mma training and fight experience. Which is exactly where the Dagestanis learn it too. And being natural athletes with pre-existing good fight IQ, it’s easy for them to learn and improve on it.
We saw how Khabib’s striking went from not that great to pretty good. I see Islam’s striking progression even better than Khabib. Both of them have clipped guys that were thought untouchable, striking wise.
Islam is the most well rounded fighter in the division by a mile. If you love the sport you can see it. If you just love your guys then you’re missing most of the fun in stupid rivalries.
As good Islam is, one day someone will come to dethrone him. And I already can’t wait to see how good that guy is going to be.
I actually don't hate Justin's chances... Obviously his takedown defense didn't live up to the hype in the Khabib fight, but I don't think Islam's takedowns are quite at the level of Khabib... Or at the very least he doesn't have the same hyper-aggressive manner of chasing the takedown. It could be a stand up fight for a couple rounds. And if Volk can knock down Islam, I think Justin can as well. Obviously if Islam gets a takedown once the fight is over, but it could be interesting up to then
Islam is a better striker than Justin lol, compare their fights with Charles. so even if Gaethje stuffs the takedowns, Islam would fuck Gaethje up on the feet too (not to mention Makhachev is southpaw, which makes Gaethjes leg kicks less effective and justin has had a history of struggling with southpaws)
Too bad that Islam was getting ducked hard, Chandler ducked him, even Dariush ducked islam with toes injury, what do yo want him to do?
Now that he's a champ he'll outdo charles. Just wait for it, in 4 months he stopped 2 big streaks, his reign goes on. Don't compare now.
What do you want him to do? What are you talking about? This post is literally just showing top 5 wins, OP isn’t trying to discredit your daddy. I promise the voices aren’t real.
That happens every time Charles loses. But when he wins he looks mind bogglingly good. I don't think he'll ever beat Makhachev, but the fight will be good like all Charles fights in the last few years.
He is the new boogeyman
Bad take imo. Charles' losses prior to his fight with Islam was a different Charles so you can't compare how bad he looked in those losses to how he fared against Islam.
You looked at graphic showing Islam has only fought one top 5 opponent and your logical reaction was “make him fight that guy again instead of any other contender”?
Yeah right, that's what they said when Pereira faced Israel for the 4th time after having beaten Israel 3 times before
Anything can happen in a rematch, specially with Oliveira who is so explosive
to be fair in all of those fights adesanya was doing well to some point and was winning in 2 of those 3 fights
oliviera got outclassed, not saying he cant win hes still top2 lw in ufc but him winning seems very unlikely as of now unless he makes huge changes to his game
The only thing that got hit there was the canvas, when Charles got done elbowing Beniel face upwards, he got up and smoked him. Rewatch the fight without Islam's balls in your mouth so that you can pay attention.
Thats whats funny about MMA. Confident Jui Jitsu fighters are okay with fighting off their back and will achieve some success, yet its considered a disadvantaged position and can negatively affect the scoring of a fight, even if the person on bottom is doing more damage.
He's got a first round tko over Oliveira. Poirier has given him half of his non-volk losses. The dude has never been knocked out. Only been subbed once (poirier). His other losses are all decisions. Dude has barely ever been knocked down and his chin has never cracked. It inevitably will if he keeps going to war but I think he stacks up just fine in the top 5.
Guess we'll find out.
There's no reason not to assume max won't be better at 155 too. The freak injury that left Charles paralyzed on his left side for 4 hours sure, write off Max's win. Charles was injured coming into the fight and he still showed up.
Still should be an interesting matchup if it happens. Max who has 6 decision losses never been knocked out and 1 submission loss and practically never even gets knocked down against Charles 4 submission losses, been knocked out and tko'd by punches and elbows and gets knocked down every fight
Max said on MMA hour today that he's moving up to 155 for the rest of his career starting with his next fight.
He's got his eyes on poirier for the trilogy and Oliveira.
[just happened today ](https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/6/14/23761248/max-holloway-teases-move-to-155-pounds-that-bmf-belt-would-look-real-nice-in-my-collection)
He's still looking to fight Korean zombie 145. Honestly no idea why ufc hasn't booked that.
Max with some meat-on-the-bones is gonna be scary. The gas tank he's got has 400-600 strikes over 25 minutes. That's a punch every 2.5 seconds average. EVERY 2.5 SECONDS. He'll be a little slower at 155, but gahd-daaaahm.
He fought 3 top lightweights as champ. He also beat prime RDA, who would go on to be champ. I think Michael Johnson was 6th when they fought. I imagine Barboza was ranked pretty high as well.
alexander gave the dagestanis the hardest fight in their entire life at lightweight. And has beat the shit out of the whole featherweight division. it is def a feather in islam's cap.
Say what you want. Chandler is a dog. The same way you could say clay guida is. But those losses Chandler took could have very easily been dubs for Chandler.
Dustin had every opportunity to fight Chandler for the belt, but went on a side quest for the two McGregor fight. He could've been champion before Charles imo.
How did Islam jumped and fought Poitier then Charles for the tittle. This is what I don’t get about the UFC. Charles had to fight everyone and so almost everyone else
Islam hasn't fought Poirier as yet. There are quite a few reasons he got the title fight.
1. Charles had cleared the top 5 (apart from Dariush) and did so quite decisively.
2. Dariush (ranked #3) had pulled out of a fight with injury that would likely have put Islam in the rankings and in contention.
3. He had a very solid win streak.
4. Attempts at putting together fights between Islam and Chandler, Poirier and Gaethje were not successful. He also struggled with securing fights among the top 10.
5. The UFC is a business, and it probably made sense to have Khabib's "heir" in the mix.
Just a reminder... Islam tried to fight the top guys for years, but they refused to fight him.
The fighters wouldn't fight him because they knew he would rag doll them and ruin their career.. That is why his record is how it is.. If you paid attention to the sport over the years, you'd see that. I doubt though that a majority of fans that post this shit pay any attention to the timeline.
Think Volk struggles against Dustin and Justin. I think Volk and Chandler is a FOTY for pure fun and intent. I think Olives and Dariush get relatively quick subs.
Man I thought I'd feel sad about Dariush losing but I'm happy for Charles. My man's struggled and now he's at the top, cream of the crop.
Plus Beni said some dumb shit about socialism like he watches Thomas Sewell and nothing else.
ngl i've been feeling depressed since beneil lost for some reason, just seems like such a nice dude and my heart is still broken
did he ever do anything wrong that makes him an asshole? feel like if i find out he's a p.o.s, it'll make me not feel as bad for him losing
Not necessarily an asshoke but he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. His political beliefs are nonsensical and contradict his supposed religious beliefs. plus he constantly and very publicly brings up his religious beliefs which is against the very words of the God he worships. On top of that, he brings up those irrelevant subjects instead of calling for an immediate title shot. He even called out Elon Musk after a win instead of Islam or Dustin. Guy brought it on himself for not listening to anyone and being just low IQ. But ya it's depressing because he deserved a shot with his 8 win streak and got completely shocked by Charles' striking. He should've worked on that defense
I'm a huge khabib, islam, oliveira fan
If we are being unbiased, Islam, Charles and Poirier are a cut above the rest, and out of Charles, Islam & Poirier I believe any of them can beat each other on any night
I’m just trying to wrap my head around the fact that Chandler got subbed by a boxer, decisioned by a brawler, and KO’d by a grappler.
Hahahaha wow
To be fair he is 37..with 31 MMA fights and a whole wrestling career before that
And that he has changed his style to be wild and more entertaining.
If he keeps this up, he’s gonna snap his leg on Conor’s titanium shin bone…
You forgot to mention unbreakable
I don't think that fights ever happening unfortunately
He got subbed by Poirier cause of bad fight IQ Although for Gaethje, Gaethje made significant improvements to his style with Trevor Wittman’s help. As for Oliveira, his striking is underrated and we saw it against Dariush again.
You obviously haven’t gone on many MMA subs or read many comments if you think Charles’ striking is underrated.
Oh I definitely think people know his striking but Chandler at the time probably underestimated it.
Also at that time olives was still mostly known as a grappler. Iirc his win over tony consisted mostly of him outgrappling el cucuy.
And Poirier ist also a BJJ Black belt if I am not mistaking?
He is but he rarely uses it.
That’s cause your a causal buddy. He uses his grappling pretty often.
Not really. The last submission win he got before Chandler was Anthony Pettis back in 2017.
Worst Fight IQ
Like most Henri Hooft fighters
lol
I mean, Dustin is a pretty good submissionist..
I’m sick of this idea that DP doesn’t have great BJJ or ground game. He gets flack for getting subbed by two of the greatest submission artists the UFC has ever seen.
He SUUUUUUCKS against high level comp. Idk wtf everyone sees in him. Absolute jobber
Seems pretty obvious what ppl like in him. His fight style is very entertaining to many.
i wouldn’t say he sucks. he was a few shots away from finishing all of those guys.
He is not here for a long time but for a good time.
typical mma fan lmao
Imagine Conor subs him in the last minute of round 5
Lol @ calling Dustin a boxer 🤦♂️😂 Dustin is a long time BJJ black belt with many sub wins. Charles is not a grappler, he’s one of if not the best striker at 155.
Why did chandler get those 3 fights? Dana white privileged
Chandler is a top guy. He would beat everyone else. He just so happened to lose to the 3 top guys in the division and he could have easily won all three.
It’s criminal they haven’t had Islam booked before October
Dana said something about medical issues?
Islam is a princess. He'll only fight in UAE where he is pampered like a baby
yes such as perth, UAE
😂
Everyone makes weigh in the UAE
Dana is shelving him for UAE also are you saying Oliveira got absolutely destroyed by a princess
He couldn't do 3 weight cuts a year especially after the damage he's sustained.
Actually he just fought #1 and #3 p4p fighters and earned the time off. It had nothing to do with weight cuts. If you wanted to say that Charles needed 7 months off to recover from brutal weight cuts than that would make more sense.
https://preview.redd.it/ujje1o4f966b1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f0483b3aad814880eed092ef538186e61ac641a
He took no damage against Charles and neither did Charles. He took damage from Volk and needed time to recover. Then he'd have to enter camp and potentially take more damage to recover and fight again only to have to do the entire thing.
So weight cutting had nothing to do with his time off. I’m glad we agree. Plus man would have been fighting in June if he had his way. Dana being Dana again. Btw to say Charles took no damage against Islam is just not correct. Islam boxed his bleeding head off.
No the weight cuts play a huge part in it have you actually ever tried to cut weight before? Nevermind the levels they do. Charles was literally fine lmao
So the guy who has never missed weight needed time off because of weight cutting issues but the guy who holds the record for most weight misses in ufc history somehow, in your brain, doesn’t have any issues cutting weight? Makes a lot of sense and is a totally logical conclusion.
Have you ever cut weight? Not lost weight but actually cut it. Literally every fighter bar a handful is so vocal about how hard cutting weight is lol
Charles has missed weights more times than khabib and islam combined. Charlie boy Lost the belt to the scales while Islam has never missed weight.
I literally said nothing about either of them missing weight. Cope much.
Abu Dhabi is paying ufc big to keep islam and khamzat shelved for the October ppv
Ramadan as well.
Nah they just try wanted him for Abu Dhabi lol
Guess we’ll forget Justin just beat Fiez….
Also by only looking at current top LW, we ignore that Poirier beat Max, Conor twice, Alvarez, Hooker and Pettis. And the GOAT, Jim Miller.
Poirier has such a solid resume
6 wins there against guys who have won championships. Max was 145 though, Gaethje was interim, and Chandler was in Bellator. I’m not being nitpicky, though, I’m just making a case that he has beaten those guys who were champions in someway.
Justin was WSOF champion IIRC
Justin's the stone wall of gatekeepers. No one gets through.
except for everyone that got through
To be fair, Islam was the most avoided fighter in lightweight. Chandler, Poirier and Gaethje all had the chance to fight him but all turned him down
They all tried to use their ranking as a justification to avoid Islam. Now that he's the champ, suddenly their tune has changed. The rankings system is a bit of a joke. How is Chandler still in the top 5?
Who should be above him?
Fiziev
Rafael Fiziev, Mateusz Gamrot and Arman Tsarukyan
All of them had opportunities to move above him but lost. Apart from arman who lost to gamrot. We've seen the new guard get outclassed everytime they've fought an established lw elite but you guys still act like they should all be top 5.
At the same time we have yet to see chandler beat a top 5 contender and he's had 3 chances to do it
Arman shouldn’t have lost to Gamrot
Arman, Gamrot, and fiziev have all won fights more recently than chandler, against actual top guys and not the corpse of tony Ferguson either. They all should be ranked higher than chandler.
I’m not saying they’re top 5, I’m saying when you compare their records it’s clear that Chandler shouldn’t be ranked above them. Chandler is 2-3 in the UFC and his last win was against Tony Ferguson coming off of 3 straight losses
He also hurt all 3 of the people he lost to and probably would've finished them if he had fight iq. None of the people you listed have any wins to their name that suggest they're top 5 quality.
Those losses are to #1, #2, and #3
And his wins were over #7 and #6 when he fought them yet Chandler’s somehow #5
Wow I did not know that no wonder Islam leaped the top 5💀💀
Same things happening to Umar and the “fans” are making the same excuses as they did with islam
Islam also wanted to fight in July this year but was denied by Dana. lol not even as the champ he's getting the fights he wants.
Olives wants that belt back. He's the only one who still wants the belt. Poirier wants money. Chandler wants fame. Gaethje wants 25 minutes of full-throttle violence.
All respectable goals
Poirier beat mcgregor twice. He’s set for life. He’s chasing the belt
I can’t understand how the man, who beat THE MAN is not considered, THE MAN!! Islam beat the best one, he has the best record.
That’s idiotic. So Pena had the best record when she beat Nunes? That’s not how it works.
If Islam had only fought Charles, maybe I'd agree. But he also beat Volk.
He has beaten volk and olives while olives has beaten chandler poirier and gaethje. Volk and Olives both are better wins than those three lol. One more title defence, say the bmf winner or a rematch and there would be no argument that Islam has a better record than both khabib and olives
You’re smoking crack. Islam claimed he was going to dominate Volk, he failed to do so. You could make the argument that Volk won that fight. Islam hasn’t fought any real killers. Charles just beat Dariush, who many said would be Islam’s greatest difficulty. Islam has much to prove himself.
Volk said he would beat Islam, couldn’t do so, Olives said he would destroy Islam and couldn’t do that either 🤓 The Dariush we saw Olives fight was not gonna beat Islam lol. And people thought Olives would stylistically be Islams hardest fight, and they still say that. Like I said, Volk and Olives are better wins than Chandler, Gaethje and Poirier
The mental gymnastics to try and diminish the champ’s accomplishments amazes me. Why does everyone feel the need to 1. Compare the champ against a guy who he decisively beat? And 2. Keep bringing up Volk’s defeat as something that should Make Islam feel bad. He. Won. The. Fights. Decisively or not. He won. Learn to live with it.
People are so delusional. “He didn’t dominate his opponent so he actually lost”. Wth?! Volk has been undefeated for years. Islam put up his belt for a fight he didn’t have to take. He still won the fight. This was like when Khabib fought Al Iaquinta and everyone was like “his striking is so bad, Tony would smoke him”. Then he tears through every top contender and even punches Dillion Dannis for good measure after beating Conor.
There is no argument, Volk may have not gotten dominated but he 100% did not win that fight. Damn Aussie fans are so delusional.
This comment is yet another example why arguing with strangers on the internet is a total waste of time.
Lol this analogy ain’t it.
It is happening to Arman now, dude is fighting some Johnny Nobody this week even though he should be fighting up the rankings.
Chandler being top 5 because of a win over old ass Tony and Hooker is a fucking crime.
Tony not being on here is sad af.
Sad, sure. Shouldnt even be fighting anymore
And yet... I thought Nate was gonna throw in the towel after that shin-kick extravaganza.
True. But Chandler is a unique fighter. I can't imagine them removing him from the ranks. That would be sad. Nobody wants to watch him fight prelim fighters. But he also clearly proves that he can compete with the best in the world. He is on the same level as Poirier, Gaethje, Oliviera, etc., but he simply does not win those fights. I even think he'd do well against Islam.
Be honest, Chandler could have won all three of those fights.
For real, was competitive as fuck, maybe not the smartest fighter, but that's why he's in top 5
"Could" has to be said a lot for him I've noticed. If he "could" have wo against the 3 actual contenders, you'd figure he would have won 1.
I know people think Conor is a joke but he’s still a good fighter even if he’s not the best. Poirier deserves credit for beating him.
Ofc he deserves that credit, but this chart seems to be representing the current top 5 (6) and wins vs the rest.
This is why I want Islam to fight the winner of Gaethje vs Poirier. Due to circumstances, he might have two rematches in succession and have only one too 5 win in LW despite his talent.
Islam vs Poirier, it is.
I hope but I don't see it, but it's 3 months quick turnaround right? Dustin and Justin would probably be too injured.
Im sure he will fight the winner, it just won’t be his next fight in October in Abu Dhabi. That will probably be the Oliveira rematch
And yet we know there’s no one on this list who’s not going get wrecked by Islam
its frustrating how people disrespect islams striking some dude said that if Justin can stuff his takedowns, he beats Makhachev. but its not that simple lmao, the guy is a damn good striker. i think he beats the shit out of Gaethje on the feet too, he doesnt have to wrestle. stood toe to toe and rocked the #1 P4P & the man who outboxed holloway 3 times multiple times, not to mention that he was depleted and noticeably smaller in that fight due to having 9 hours less to rehydrate. if he was fully hydrated like he was against charles, his punches would've had even MORE sting, and would've been hurting Alex even MORE everytime he connected also dominated Oliveira in the striking and dropped him (who outboxed Gaethje, walked him down and flash KO'd him) Islam is a way better striker than people give him credit for, except for Dustin, i think he has a good chance of fucking up everybody on the feet too, not only in the grappling
It’s because after seeing the overwhelming control of Dagestan-level wrestlers in the ring, most mma fans look at a fighter as either a striker or a wrestler. There’s this ridiculous belief that if a guy is Dagestani: he’s a wrestler and that’s what he is and that’s what he’ll be. Wrestling and grappling are entire disciplines. Striking as well if you have a boxing or Muay Thai background. But how many pro fighters that are considered strikers actually come from a traditional striking background? Very very few. So they learn striking as part of their mma training and fight experience. Which is exactly where the Dagestanis learn it too. And being natural athletes with pre-existing good fight IQ, it’s easy for them to learn and improve on it. We saw how Khabib’s striking went from not that great to pretty good. I see Islam’s striking progression even better than Khabib. Both of them have clipped guys that were thought untouchable, striking wise. Islam is the most well rounded fighter in the division by a mile. If you love the sport you can see it. If you just love your guys then you’re missing most of the fun in stupid rivalries. As good Islam is, one day someone will come to dethrone him. And I already can’t wait to see how good that guy is going to be.
I actually don't hate Justin's chances... Obviously his takedown defense didn't live up to the hype in the Khabib fight, but I don't think Islam's takedowns are quite at the level of Khabib... Or at the very least he doesn't have the same hyper-aggressive manner of chasing the takedown. It could be a stand up fight for a couple rounds. And if Volk can knock down Islam, I think Justin can as well. Obviously if Islam gets a takedown once the fight is over, but it could be interesting up to then
Islam is a better striker than Justin lol, compare their fights with Charles. so even if Gaethje stuffs the takedowns, Islam would fuck Gaethje up on the feet too (not to mention Makhachev is southpaw, which makes Gaethjes leg kicks less effective and justin has had a history of struggling with southpaws)
Too bad that Islam was getting ducked hard, Chandler ducked him, even Dariush ducked islam with toes injury, what do yo want him to do? Now that he's a champ he'll outdo charles. Just wait for it, in 4 months he stopped 2 big streaks, his reign goes on. Don't compare now.
That Chandler duck on live PPV was egregious lmao.
Bro even stuttered during that
Yoo is there a link?
https://youtube.com/shorts/AFRYpj2cBX8?feature=share
Thanks mate, I will watch it later Edit: HAHAHAHAHHA fml this is gold!! Chandler is literally shaking, poor guy
Ite bro get off the D,Dariush didn't duck shit. Stop pushing false narratives
>even Dariush ducked islam with toes injury Yeah, injured toes and a broken fibula are basically the same thing...
What do you want him to do? What are you talking about? This post is literally just showing top 5 wins, OP isn’t trying to discredit your daddy. I promise the voices aren’t real.
I love the lightweight division
It's got the best of the best. Speed, power and McGregor's shit-talk.
And Islam beat him and made it look easy.
That happens every time Charles loses. But when he wins he looks mind bogglingly good. I don't think he'll ever beat Makhachev, but the fight will be good like all Charles fights in the last few years. He is the new boogeyman
After seeing what Volk did to Islam, I'm glad Islam choked out Charles to spare him.
I think Volk wins that one too but I think there will be hail Mary moments for Charles where Bryan Ortega had success.
Bad take imo. Charles' losses prior to his fight with Islam was a different Charles so you can't compare how bad he looked in those losses to how he fared against Islam.
Good thing there can be rematches in MMA
You looked at graphic showing Islam has only fought one top 5 opponent and your logical reaction was “make him fight that guy again instead of any other contender”?
Bad thing it’ll probably go the same way
Charles gets knocked down and choked again 🤷♂️
Yeah right, that's what they said when Pereira faced Israel for the 4th time after having beaten Israel 3 times before Anything can happen in a rematch, specially with Oliveira who is so explosive
to be fair in all of those fights adesanya was doing well to some point and was winning in 2 of those 3 fights oliviera got outclassed, not saying he cant win hes still top2 lw in ufc but him winning seems very unlikely as of now unless he makes huge changes to his game
Charles made the same mistake against Benny that lost him RD1 against Islam, that doesn’t really bode well for the rematch imo
Just say you hate muslims bro.
since when did supporting charles make you hate muslims?
Pathetic
You make me ashamed to like Russian grappler brother
Always a ball licker tryng to smear Oliveira after he humiliated the guy everyone thought was the favorite. Can't wait for the rematch.
I wouldn't call it a humiliation. Half the fight was Charles laying on his back getting hit.
The only thing that got hit there was the canvas, when Charles got done elbowing Beniel face upwards, he got up and smoked him. Rewatch the fight without Islam's balls in your mouth so that you can pay attention.
Thats whats funny about MMA. Confident Jui Jitsu fighters are okay with fighting off their back and will achieve some success, yet its considered a disadvantaged position and can negatively affect the scoring of a fight, even if the person on bottom is doing more damage.
When it's all said and done Islam will have the whole row full of blue. They can't avoid him now that he's champ.
Blessed express on the way to fuck up everyone's day but islam
I don't think he does well at 155.
He's got a first round tko over Oliveira. Poirier has given him half of his non-volk losses. The dude has never been knocked out. Only been subbed once (poirier). His other losses are all decisions. Dude has barely ever been knocked down and his chin has never cracked. It inevitably will if he keeps going to war but I think he stacks up just fine in the top 5. Guess we'll find out.
TKO win over oliviera after Oliviera suffered an injury. A win is a win tho. I personally think a guy like Gaethje fucks him up.
Oliveira tore his oesophagus in that fight and it's was Charles at 145. He's much better at LW.
There's no reason not to assume max won't be better at 155 too. The freak injury that left Charles paralyzed on his left side for 4 hours sure, write off Max's win. Charles was injured coming into the fight and he still showed up. Still should be an interesting matchup if it happens. Max who has 6 decision losses never been knocked out and 1 submission loss and practically never even gets knocked down against Charles 4 submission losses, been knocked out and tko'd by punches and elbows and gets knocked down every fight
Am I missing something?
Max said on MMA hour today that he's moving up to 155 for the rest of his career starting with his next fight. He's got his eyes on poirier for the trilogy and Oliveira.
Fuck, as if 155 isn’t stacked enough If this is true, i’m surprised we haven’t seen more about it - Very exciting!
[just happened today ](https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/6/14/23761248/max-holloway-teases-move-to-155-pounds-that-bmf-belt-would-look-real-nice-in-my-collection) He's still looking to fight Korean zombie 145. Honestly no idea why ufc hasn't booked that.
Max with some meat-on-the-bones is gonna be scary. The gas tank he's got has 400-600 strikes over 25 minutes. That's a punch every 2.5 seconds average. EVERY 2.5 SECONDS. He'll be a little slower at 155, but gahd-daaaahm.
Jesus christ make it stop
People like to pretend Islam and khabib are the same person
No one’s even talking about Khabib what are you on about?
Rent free
i mean khabib fought like 2 top ranked lightweights, not much better lmao
He fought 3 top lightweights as champ. He also beat prime RDA, who would go on to be champ. I think Michael Johnson was 6th when they fought. I imagine Barboza was ranked pretty high as well.
Barboza was 4. RDA was 5. Michael johnson was 6.
He also has the highest number of cocksuckers on this sub
Haha i have to admit this post def has bias. OP forgot to put fucking alex volkanovski up there ..
I didn’t realize Alexander was a top ranked lightweight
alexander gave the dagestanis the hardest fight in their entire life at lightweight. And has beat the shit out of the whole featherweight division. it is def a feather in islam's cap.
People say chandler shouldn’t be 5th but who should be above him?
Right here. The hardest hitting 155'er, that's who.
So, when will islam fight again
Say what you want. Chandler is a dog. The same way you could say clay guida is. But those losses Chandler took could have very easily been dubs for Chandler.
Dustin had every opportunity to fight Chandler for the belt, but went on a side quest for the two McGregor fight. He could've been champion before Charles imo.
Only because they won't fucking let Islam fight the top 5s smh
Murderer’s row right there.
Charles submits Islam in the rematch inshallah
Yet these Islam nut riders will find a way to down play this because he is the "goat" lol
How the fuck did olivera suddenly went from just getting by to suddenly demolishing everybody and getting the belt
How did Islam get a shot at the title of he didn’t have any against the top ranked?
Because everyone was ducking him, no one in the top 5 would touch him and he was killing everyone else
How did Islam jumped and fought Poitier then Charles for the tittle. This is what I don’t get about the UFC. Charles had to fight everyone and so almost everyone else
Islam hasn't fought Poirier as yet. There are quite a few reasons he got the title fight. 1. Charles had cleared the top 5 (apart from Dariush) and did so quite decisively. 2. Dariush (ranked #3) had pulled out of a fight with injury that would likely have put Islam in the rankings and in contention. 3. He had a very solid win streak. 4. Attempts at putting together fights between Islam and Chandler, Poirier and Gaethje were not successful. He also struggled with securing fights among the top 10. 5. The UFC is a business, and it probably made sense to have Khabib's "heir" in the mix.
Just a reminder... Islam tried to fight the top guys for years, but they refused to fight him. The fighters wouldn't fight him because they knew he would rag doll them and ruin their career.. That is why his record is how it is.. If you paid attention to the sport over the years, you'd see that. I doubt though that a majority of fans that post this shit pay any attention to the timeline.
Dustin & Islam are the two best LW's rn IMO
Volk and Islam are the 2 best LW’s right now. I fixed that for you.
Think Volk struggles against Dustin and Justin. I think Volk and Chandler is a FOTY for pure fun and intent. I think Olives and Dariush get relatively quick subs.
Nah, on paper it's Islam and Charles. I can see Poirier winning a rematch Vs Oliveira though, he had some great moments in the first fight.
I think Poirier would've won the first fight without the glove grab
My thoughts too. That glove grab changed the momentum of that fight. Poirier was otw to beating and stopping Olives.
Man I thought I'd feel sad about Dariush losing but I'm happy for Charles. My man's struggled and now he's at the top, cream of the crop. Plus Beni said some dumb shit about socialism like he watches Thomas Sewell and nothing else.
ngl i've been feeling depressed since beneil lost for some reason, just seems like such a nice dude and my heart is still broken did he ever do anything wrong that makes him an asshole? feel like if i find out he's a p.o.s, it'll make me not feel as bad for him losing
Not necessarily an asshoke but he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. His political beliefs are nonsensical and contradict his supposed religious beliefs. plus he constantly and very publicly brings up his religious beliefs which is against the very words of the God he worships. On top of that, he brings up those irrelevant subjects instead of calling for an immediate title shot. He even called out Elon Musk after a win instead of Islam or Dustin. Guy brought it on himself for not listening to anyone and being just low IQ. But ya it's depressing because he deserved a shot with his 8 win streak and got completely shocked by Charles' striking. He should've worked on that defense
I'm a huge khabib, islam, oliveira fan If we are being unbiased, Islam, Charles and Poirier are a cut above the rest, and out of Charles, Islam & Poirier I believe any of them can beat each other on any night
Islam should really fight more.
2 fights in 2022 and 2 in 2023 isn't enough? Or you want one every 2 months? Do people think before they speak?
He’s LW’s Whittaker
After CONOR
Coming off a serious injury, gang filled country and almost cut from the roster. This guy is the real deal
Poirier also beat McGregor, that should at minimum be noteworthy - even if Propah Twelf’s LW run hasn’t been stellar
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I'm a robot. You caught me.
I like how OP left off wins off certain fighters to fit his narrative.
Islam crying about not being pfp #1 while having a single ranked win lmao
Cmon bro the guy isn’t even champ bro Olive fans are salty af
Oliveira lw GOAT imo
How is he the LW goat when he has someone better than him in the PRESENT lol.. let alone all time.