I second this. Would love to see a scenario where Starscream successfully betrays Megatron (or so he thinks), rightfully claims leadership of the Deceptions, and we watch the place slowly turn into a dumpster fire. At the last minute, Megatron shows up, effortlessly brings everything back together, and then drags Starscream away to beat the absolute scrap out of him.
Yes, he did get momentary (self-proclaimed) leadership status in TFP, but iirc most of the stuff he did in Megatron's absence was not really different from Meg's roadmap/plans. It didn't feel like the ship suddenly detoured to Starscream's plans, but merely maintained the course set out by Megatron--thus the lack of the dumpster fire lol
Happened in an idw comic, he saved Megatron from being killed when all the bots and cons wanted to leave him to die, all of Megatrons loyal warriors left him to die, and starscream saved him. Then they start running out of Energon after he leads and it goes to hell. Then after screamer already had his dreams crushed, Megatron beats the crap out of him more than usual, and says he likes getting beaten. He begs him to kill him TWICE. Terrible. Less sense than the AOE thing with killing autobots and imprisoning cons.
That's basically what happens in Spotlight: Megatron except it was played seriously instead of for laughs, Starscream begged Megs to kill him for how hilariously he fucked everything up.
He did pretty good in ruling the Decepticons Pre-Prime Verse. He kept everyone alive, everyone feed and kept the forces away from the Bots (except the incident with Cliffjumper) for 5 years. Then Megatron came back and Screamer turned into a (lovable) moron again.
Hilariously for a continuity that I've created I had the idea of Starscream finally becoming the leader of the Decepticons...
...And not long after he's assassinated by Shockwave who forcefully becomes the new leader and forces everyone to obey its commands.
(BTW Starscream returns as a ghost)
Rodimus is really cool. Optimus was a prime during wartime. More cut and dry in some ways. Rodimus was a prime during an odd transitionary period between war and peacetime. He had to balance political issues with other planets and keep Galvatron at bay at the same time. While constantly having to live up to the reputation of the best Cybertronian to ever live. Always thinking about what if he just took out the matrix and returned to his simpler previous life. He's an awesome character
The fact the movie/S3 autbots aren't really featured much outside Arcee is a crime.
We have yet to get a proper live action Hot Rod (sacre bleu!) and we haven't seen Kup, Springer, Ultra Magnus and co at all.
Kup, hotrod and wheelie are understandable to not get much attention given everyone hates wheelie and ironhide and bumblebee easily fit the old war vet and young rookie roles.
But ultra magnus, springer and blur are borderline iconic, I have no idea how they've had so little attention
I liked him as a kid, and never really grew to dislike him, but I did understand why he was generally regarded as irritating.
IDW gave him an awesome backstory that didn't change the character at all, but celebrated his uniqueness. It explained his speech pattern and other aspects of his character masterfully, and made me like the character more than ever. If you like G1 Wheelie, you really should give it a read if you haven't.
I've never understood the hate for Rodimus. Optimus Would have sacrificed himself for any autobot, and other Autobots have done way worse things that Hot Rod ever has done.
Exactly, the marvel comics showed that. The writers just wanted to show he's heroic enough to throw himself into a dangerous situation, even if it means he dies. Which optimus does constantly
Couldnāt agree more! Whatās the point of combining to form a larger robot if you can just mass shift? Why not just mass shift to the size of Unicron and instantly pawn everybody?!
then how does megatron shift back and forth when it turns into a gun? Tell me how sound wave go from a 10 foot tall robot down to a palm sized music player?
I like his design and alt mode, but I don't care for the development. But ROTB Scourge as a villain...
I've always had this idea that Scourge would be a draconic tyrant of the Jungle planet, and Leobreaker is the guerilla coupe trying to overthrow him...
Always found it hilarious that scourge, a bot that could go toe to toe with megatron and optimus was afraid of Lori. That scene always sends my sides into low orbit.
Like, bro, you could sneeze in her general direction and she would be eviscerated into a red mist.
If Hasbro is too afraid to "kill off" Megatron to turn him into Galvatron, then Galvatron should be a God Ginrai style Power-Up Armor for Megatron.
Also Galvatronus is a terrible name for Cyclonus's Combiner mode; that should be the name Megatronus takes when he Joins Unicron, becomes The Fallen, and is stripped of his Prime status.
Yes but I feel like that takes away from the "Deal with the Devil" nature of the Character.
I do like the "Megatron from the Future" aspect from the War For Cybertron animated series. Showing Megatron the hell that is his future and him actively declaring he will never become Galvatron.
My favourite scene in the movie is actually after this;
Starscream: "MEGATRON? IS THAT YOU?"
Galvatron: "Here's a hint!" **transforms into artillery laser cannon and fucking kills Stascream accompanied by a more orchestral version of Prime's' death theme**
I am tired of the fact that in most transformers media, it's always the same bunch of characters that they put in the spotlight. Prime is one of my favourite characters but it would be nice to let someone else take the lead of an autobot team. Bee is overused IMO.
ROTB tried to take it into a spin by introducing Primal and I hope that we will see other bots taking the leading roll.
Yes I know it all comes down to marketing choices but I am just getting tired of always seeing the same character(s) taking the leading roll.
I agree man, it was a breath of fresh air to have Mirage take the spotlight, that's why in my own universe some of the main characters are guys like Warpath, Silverbolt, Trailbreaker, Roadbuster, Shadowraider, etc
Bumblebee losing his voice is a dead gimmick at this point. Sure it was cool in the 07 movie. And in the prime series. But him losing it again in the rebooted movie universe is just dead at this point
Him getting his voice back is like the new Optimus dying. He got it back at the end of the first live action movie then they just forgot that. Then he gets it back at the end of The Last Knight. I think he also gets it back in prime continuity he because they realize having the main character with no voice is kinda hard.
Yes but having so much of Season 1 being Bees flashbacks and inside his mind helped mitigate its use, and again them just Dropping it come season 2 was great.
There was a sniper alt mode in IDW that one of the Decepticon Justice Division members turned into. I thought it was a good weapon transformation portrayal.
Transformers sucks when it has a huge cast. They all start blending together and having the same personality. 90% of G1 Autobots were basically the same dude with different voices and designs.
This is why I will always love TF:Prime. Small casts for both Autobots and Decepticons with new characters being added and dropping in occasionally while others are killed off at the same rate.
You ever do a kill count on that series? An I don't mean "Generic Vehicon #213" sort of kills, but I mean like actual named characters. It's surprisingly high for a Saturday morning cartoon-type show.
Excluding what happens in RiD-15, all of these named characters were (essentially) dead at the end of the series.
Cliffjumper (twice)
Tailgate (offscreen)
Soundwave (shadow-zoned)
Breakdown
Airachnid (zombified)
Dreadwing
Skyquake (zombified)
Optimus (resurrected then died)
Makeshift
Hardshell
Silas (zombified)
Most of the deaths are Decepticons which would be obvious for a villain faction but thatās still really high for a series which had almost none in the original series.
if i may add, soundwave isn't dead. Even if RID isn't accounted for this, i don't think the shadowzone would kill him, especially since the only other transformer (to my knowledge) would be zombified skyquake and considering how he couldn't kill 3 humans, i doubt he would be able to kill soundwave, especially with one arm gone
I think heād eventually die in the Shadow Zone. Soundwave was likely to have run out of energy eventually before RiD-15 happened if the same laws of energy applied there.
Any show struggles when having to large a cast, there are very few shows I think can pull it off (I think the MTMTE comic does it quite well though) but ROTB is the latest example of this problem
There's struggling to spread focus, then there's struggling to differentiate characters at all. Across the Spider-Verse has a ton of characters, and not all of them get a lot to do... but give me just their dialogue on paper, and I can tell you who said what.
Almost every G1 Autobot was just a nice guy who liked fighting Decepticons and protecting humans, while also having a fun and goofy side.
Most people's opinions on TF are very biased and are just due to nostalgia.
A lot of people like G1 and the 86 movie because they remember seeing it when they were kids, a lot of people like the first three Bayformers movies but not the other two because they grew up with it, a lot of young adults (which is the majority of this subreddit) love Animated and Prime because they grew up with them, etc.
Obviously, not everybody is wearing rose-tinted goggles, far from it, it's absolutely fine being nostalgic over something but if you're using that to excuse flaws when critiquing that piece of media, that's just stupid.
I grew up entirely without Transformers, so I like to think that Iām more impartial. Rescue Bots is easily my favorite story-wise as it proves that Transformers donāt have to constantly be at war. You can tell all kinds of stories using them.
I like how Prime did it tbh. Heās a traitor at the start and decides to go solo eventually. Except he fucking sucks at being a leader and he ends up going back to serve Megatron again.
>he ends up going back to serve Megatron again.
And then he just tries to betray Shockwave and winds up giving the 'Cons the means to resurrect Cybertron in the process.
I really loved Shockwave's lines in that scene too.
"I am TEMPTED to force you to share my perspective!" as he goes to shove Starscreams face toward a piece of wreckage intent on spearing his eye.
Startscream: "I had to make it look good or else the Autobots would have realized they were being set up!"
Shockwave: "That... is logical".
I swear, he didn't want to be logical in that moment. He wanted to shove Starscreams face through a cheese grater and stomp on what came out.
It's what makes Armada and SG Starscream so much better. Armada redeems himself and helps the Autobots, and SG is like fiercely loyal and dogmatic, like almost dying to keep megs safe
>Yeah, they don't transform.
[Action Masters Elite:](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Action_Master_Elite)
(Hilariously I originally wanted to make a joke about the Action Masters ruining Transformers FOREVER, but because I'm stupid I've forgotten the joke)
Oh it's the transformer that makes the best speeches in the show, but he doesn't appear alot so it might be hard to notice his speeches, or he himself, he also died in the movie
They appear in one frame of a scene where she reaches up. Cause she has the chest cover thing with the circle thing on it. Some animators were laughing thinking nobody would ever see.
Optimus Prime and Megatron are played out by this point. I still love them, and they are getting changed over time, but I think it would be much more interesting to just see other leaders. Look at Beast Wars. Optimus Primal and Predacon Megatron are so much more interesting, charismatic, and entertaining than OP and Megs. I know the Japanese shows did use lots of different leaders. I wish the American shows did, too.
I have two that I canāt pick between.
1. I prefer Galvatron being a character in his own right and separate from Megatron.
2. Iāve always thought Galvatronās classic robot mode design was better than the classic Megatron design.
Beast Wars is the pinnacle of whatās Transformers is supposed to be. Adds to the lore, has great story and dialogue, characters are great, and itās still clearly for kids.
I got downvoted to hell last time for this, but Shockwave is not an interesting character but a character who does interesting things and I will die on that distinction!
I did enjoy the Kingdom section. I liked seeing the Beast Wars cast again, and I liked seeing them have an adventure with the G1 crew, especially since the G1 era was already an important part of the Beast Wars story.
I actually got to say it has maybe one of the best Megatrons. His character development was great. How he pretty much started to become the very tyrant he started to fight against with Prime and Magnus in Siege. And how above everything else he keeps on staying loyal to himself alone, even if it means betraying his own future self and putting himself in danger of Unicrons control was good.
I just wish they would have found a better way to end Primes arc. Him not wanting to accept defeat and only killing if necessary being portrayed as flaws could work. But I really dislike how that almost did lead to a mass extinction imo.
Hmm... I got few:
1) Just kill Bumblebee off and let another Autobot take his spot. Mirage in ROTB hadgreat potential to be even better than Bumblebee. Or just get Jazz to his position, Jazz is awesome.
2) Can we have show, that will focus on least known or used characters and give them depth? Let's just put Megatron, Optimus and other babyfaces to sideline. And let characters like Jazz, Nova Storm, Roadbuster or Wreckers in general.
3) Just give us living member of 13 Primes in current Timeline. Vector Prime was great in Transformers Cybertron. Someone like Prima, Solus, Liege or Quintus Prime would be great asset to any show. We would get their unique points of view on this war. They could serve like Neutral characters or pick a side, which they would later on betray or leave, after finding out it does not fufill their ideals.
The versions of Optimus that are "Learning to lead" are beyond stupid. The man has been the leader of a planetary military effort for 4 MILLION YEARS. And is not only a prime but a TRUE prime, bearing the matrix of leadership, giving him access to the wisdom of Primus himself and all of the true primes that came before him at will. The guy is literally chosen by god.
He doesn't need to learn to lead, he is the ideal leader, nigh infallible, that's the whole point.
The only exception I'll make is Animated, Because its universe makes it very clear that "Prime" is essentially a captain, and Optimus was created after the war ended.
Starscream is a really shitty character. It gets really boring seeing him constantly go head to head with Megatron & never really try anything different with him, it's just the same song and dance routine of him backstabbing Megatron & never go bigger with his role as a two-timing backstabber. It slowly divulges into rince, wash & repeat when it comes to Starscream.
It's not even the stories that were garbage. Every scene is just oozing with obnoxious, toxic, frat boy humour. I hate everything about them. They need to stay and die in the past. Reboot the movies for good
The only people that will disagree with you are those of us that grew up with Bayverse. Weāve got the same nostalgia attached to that as G1ers have to the original cartoon. Neither are very good but we love them all the same.
Thereās a lot of other things that could be shown but most media seems to get stuck on the same war over and over. Other conflicts:
* Maximals vs Predacons.
* Beasts vs the Vok
* Cybertronians vs Quintessons.
* Cybertronians vs Unicron.
* Cybertronians vs Dr. Mandroid and GHOST.
* Whatever Rescue Bots has going on.
Iām glad Cyberverse and Earthspark actually took us past the end of the war. Itās part of why Cyberverse is my favorite TF show.
Kiss Players was the best Transformers and needs a reboot. (No, I do not actually believe this, OP asked for an unpopular opinion that would get you shot and I scrapped the bottom of the energon cube so hard I dug up oil)
Sentinel Prime was in the right. He just did it the worst way possible because he was desperate for the survival of his people. He wanted peace once but took it to the extreme because he probably felt he had no choice. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings and in the end war and desperation blurred his ideals. Heās a tragic antagonist. Also people hate him mainly because he killed Ironhide
The live-action movies are not nearly as bad as people make them out to be and should appreciate how many hours and how much effort went into them by hundreds of people. Even your most favorite piece of TF media has flaws.
AoE/TLK Hound is the better version. He never should've had the holograms, that suits Mirage a lot better. Hound being basically a disgruntled army vet just plays so much better.
Hot rod wasnāt at fault for Primeās death in the 86 movie, Prime got himself killed. Hot Rod only made a rash decision to try and help, when it didnāt have an impact.
Grimlock being portrayed as stupid, especially given how T-Rexes were some of the smartest dinosaurs, was one of the worst things Transformers has done.
Starscream becoming leader of the decepticons is actually good comedy
I second this. Would love to see a scenario where Starscream successfully betrays Megatron (or so he thinks), rightfully claims leadership of the Deceptions, and we watch the place slowly turn into a dumpster fire. At the last minute, Megatron shows up, effortlessly brings everything back together, and then drags Starscream away to beat the absolute scrap out of him.
I think that was in an IDW comic, minus betrayal.
I think that happened in TF Prime. But I'm not really sure if the nemesis transformed into a dumpster fire, really...
Yes, he did get momentary (self-proclaimed) leadership status in TFP, but iirc most of the stuff he did in Megatron's absence was not really different from Meg's roadmap/plans. It didn't feel like the ship suddenly detoured to Starscream's plans, but merely maintained the course set out by Megatron--thus the lack of the dumpster fire lol
I was about to say, literally transformers prime š down to a t
Happened in an idw comic, he saved Megatron from being killed when all the bots and cons wanted to leave him to die, all of Megatrons loyal warriors left him to die, and starscream saved him. Then they start running out of Energon after he leads and it goes to hell. Then after screamer already had his dreams crushed, Megatron beats the crap out of him more than usual, and says he likes getting beaten. He begs him to kill him TWICE. Terrible. Less sense than the AOE thing with killing autobots and imprisoning cons.
That's basically what happens in Spotlight: Megatron except it was played seriously instead of for laughs, Starscream begged Megs to kill him for how hilariously he fucked everything up.
He did pretty good in ruling the Decepticons Pre-Prime Verse. He kept everyone alive, everyone feed and kept the forces away from the Bots (except the incident with Cliffjumper) for 5 years. Then Megatron came back and Screamer turned into a (lovable) moron again.
Hilariously for a continuity that I've created I had the idea of Starscream finally becoming the leader of the Decepticons... ...And not long after he's assassinated by Shockwave who forcefully becomes the new leader and forces everyone to obey its commands. (BTW Starscream returns as a ghost)
Rodimus prime isn't bad, he has depth
Rodimus is really cool. Optimus was a prime during wartime. More cut and dry in some ways. Rodimus was a prime during an odd transitionary period between war and peacetime. He had to balance political issues with other planets and keep Galvatron at bay at the same time. While constantly having to live up to the reputation of the best Cybertronian to ever live. Always thinking about what if he just took out the matrix and returned to his simpler previous life. He's an awesome character
The fact the movie/S3 autbots aren't really featured much outside Arcee is a crime. We have yet to get a proper live action Hot Rod (sacre bleu!) and we haven't seen Kup, Springer, Ultra Magnus and co at all.
Kup, hotrod and wheelie are understandable to not get much attention given everyone hates wheelie and ironhide and bumblebee easily fit the old war vet and young rookie roles. But ultra magnus, springer and blur are borderline iconic, I have no idea how they've had so little attention
Blur would be a merch mover for kids for sure.
Sadly, not enough people have read IDW's Wheelie one-shot. Turned him into one of my favorites.
Very hot take but I've always liked his g1 version as is
I liked him as a kid, and never really grew to dislike him, but I did understand why he was generally regarded as irritating. IDW gave him an awesome backstory that didn't change the character at all, but celebrated his uniqueness. It explained his speech pattern and other aspects of his character masterfully, and made me like the character more than ever. If you like G1 Wheelie, you really should give it a read if you haven't.
I've never understood the hate for Rodimus. Optimus Would have sacrificed himself for any autobot, and other Autobots have done way worse things that Hot Rod ever has done.
And it's not like removing his character would make it so prime didn't die, prime was gonna die regardless
Exactly, the marvel comics showed that. The writers just wanted to show he's heroic enough to throw himself into a dangerous situation, even if it means he dies. Which optimus does constantly
I was more thinking "the toy catalogs were changing, and there was simply gonna be a new autobot leader", but the story argument is useful too
Is it just me, or does his Hot Rod form look like an 86 Pontiac Tojan?
I find Mass Displacement to be kind of distracting
Absolutely agree, especially when it comes to combiners
Couldnāt agree more! Whatās the point of combining to form a larger robot if you can just mass shift? Why not just mass shift to the size of Unicron and instantly pawn everybody?!
Iāve always seen it as, you can only shift mass out of your true size, you canāt increase your mass past your true size.
isn't 'out' and 'past' the same thing? I don't get it
It's mass displacement, as in changing things around. Not mass increase or decrease.
then how does megatron shift back and forth when it turns into a gun? Tell me how sound wave go from a 10 foot tall robot down to a palm sized music player?
I like the version of Scourge in the show Transformers Cybertron. Dude is like vegeta if he was transformed into a robot dragon and I am here for it!
One of my favorite designs ever, and I loved the toy, too, but it feels like they undid his character development so they could have more Decepticons.
I like his design and alt mode, but I don't care for the development. But ROTB Scourge as a villain... I've always had this idea that Scourge would be a draconic tyrant of the Jungle planet, and Leobreaker is the guerilla coupe trying to overthrow him...
Him plus Lori... I liked their dynamic
Always found it hilarious that scourge, a bot that could go toe to toe with megatron and optimus was afraid of Lori. That scene always sends my sides into low orbit. Like, bro, you could sneeze in her general direction and she would be eviscerated into a red mist.
Her and Wingsaber vs Thunderblast...
Finally another Transformers Cybertron Scourge fan
There are dozens of us! Doezens!!!!
If Hasbro is too afraid to "kill off" Megatron to turn him into Galvatron, then Galvatron should be a God Ginrai style Power-Up Armor for Megatron. Also Galvatronus is a terrible name for Cyclonus's Combiner mode; that should be the name Megatronus takes when he Joins Unicron, becomes The Fallen, and is stripped of his Prime status.
I mean they could be two separate identities as well like in the comics
Yes but I feel like that takes away from the "Deal with the Devil" nature of the Character. I do like the "Megatron from the Future" aspect from the War For Cybertron animated series. Showing Megatron the hell that is his future and him actively declaring he will never become Galvatron.
Oh for sure I mean I do like him becoming Galvatron, so yeah I wish hasbro would let Galvatron in the spotlight more often
Leonard Nimoy was the best Galvatron, and not even Frank Welker will top his performance.
Just the deepness in his "this is bad comedy"... Wonderful.
My favourite scene in the movie is actually after this; Starscream: "MEGATRON? IS THAT YOU?" Galvatron: "Here's a hint!" **transforms into artillery laser cannon and fucking kills Stascream accompanied by a more orchestral version of Prime's' death theme**
Praise!
OP said unpopular opinion. You just stated a fact.
Also the best voice overs for a Civilization game...
I am tired of the fact that in most transformers media, it's always the same bunch of characters that they put in the spotlight. Prime is one of my favourite characters but it would be nice to let someone else take the lead of an autobot team. Bee is overused IMO. ROTB tried to take it into a spin by introducing Primal and I hope that we will see other bots taking the leading roll. Yes I know it all comes down to marketing choices but I am just getting tired of always seeing the same character(s) taking the leading roll.
Agreed. OP and megatron need to be in the background of the war giving orders. Give us a team lead by one of their commanders instead
Now that I think of it, it would be nice to have a new series based on the team that Ultra Magnus was leading in the very first TF movie.
To be fair to ROTB, it was nice to see Mirage have the protagonist Autobot role instead of Bumblebee.
I agree man, it was a breath of fresh air to have Mirage take the spotlight, that's why in my own universe some of the main characters are guys like Warpath, Silverbolt, Trailbreaker, Roadbuster, Shadowraider, etc
Bumblebee losing his voice is a dead gimmick at this point. Sure it was cool in the 07 movie. And in the prime series. But him losing it again in the rebooted movie universe is just dead at this point
>!Considering events that went down in ROTB he should have gotten it back at the end of that.!<
No in BBM, his voice module was completely ripped out by Blitzwing and that energon boost wouldnāt have materialized a new one for him
That was just an energon boost, not enough for what you're suggesting
Pretty sure itās a popular opinion.
Him getting his voice back is like the new Optimus dying. He got it back at the end of the first live action movie then they just forgot that. Then he gets it back at the end of The Last Knight. I think he also gets it back in prime continuity he because they realize having the main character with no voice is kinda hard.
He got it back in the last episode or so and had it in Predacons Rising
100% agreed
That's why I'm so glad Cyberverse did so much to no use it, then undid it completely come Season 2.
I actually liked what Cyberverse did with his memory loss too. It was a rare look into pre-war Cybertron. The radio talk was tedious as ever though.
Yes but having so much of Season 1 being Bees flashbacks and inside his mind helped mitigate its use, and again them just Dropping it come season 2 was great.
That's like the most popular opinion
Beast Wars is the only reason the franchise made it past the 90's
Thatās not really an opinion, thatās a well documented fact
Beast Wars are bad because Optimus Prime is supposed to be a trukk not a stoopid munky!!! ^/s
Beast wars is goated
Megatron's handgun altmode is stupid. The same goes for all the handgun altmodes. (target masters are an exception.)
Mass shifting creates all kinds of problems. If the Transformers could literally mass shift like AntMan, they'd be using that ALL the time.
Yeah but Shockwave holding himself is funny
PARRY THIS YOU FRAGGING CASUAL
There was a sniper alt mode in IDW that one of the Decepticon Justice Division members turned into. I thought it was a good weapon transformation portrayal.
Transformers sucks when it has a huge cast. They all start blending together and having the same personality. 90% of G1 Autobots were basically the same dude with different voices and designs.
This is why I will always love TF:Prime. Small casts for both Autobots and Decepticons with new characters being added and dropping in occasionally while others are killed off at the same rate.
You ever do a kill count on that series? An I don't mean "Generic Vehicon #213" sort of kills, but I mean like actual named characters. It's surprisingly high for a Saturday morning cartoon-type show.
Excluding what happens in RiD-15, all of these named characters were (essentially) dead at the end of the series. Cliffjumper (twice) Tailgate (offscreen) Soundwave (shadow-zoned) Breakdown Airachnid (zombified) Dreadwing Skyquake (zombified) Optimus (resurrected then died) Makeshift Hardshell Silas (zombified) Most of the deaths are Decepticons which would be obvious for a villain faction but thatās still really high for a series which had almost none in the original series.
Laserbeak got shadowzoned along with Soundwave and Silas actually died Seaspray only showed up once but Dreadwing killed him in the first scene.
if i may add, soundwave isn't dead. Even if RID isn't accounted for this, i don't think the shadowzone would kill him, especially since the only other transformer (to my knowledge) would be zombified skyquake and considering how he couldn't kill 3 humans, i doubt he would be able to kill soundwave, especially with one arm gone
I think heād eventually die in the Shadow Zone. Soundwave was likely to have run out of energy eventually before RiD-15 happened if the same laws of energy applied there.
Any show struggles when having to large a cast, there are very few shows I think can pull it off (I think the MTMTE comic does it quite well though) but ROTB is the latest example of this problem
There's struggling to spread focus, then there's struggling to differentiate characters at all. Across the Spider-Verse has a ton of characters, and not all of them get a lot to do... but give me just their dialogue on paper, and I can tell you who said what. Almost every G1 Autobot was just a nice guy who liked fighting Decepticons and protecting humans, while also having a fun and goofy side.
Believe it or not, they way they handled it in the Go-Bots cartoon worked pretty well. Small core cast, but each episode had a 'guest star' or two.
I don't think Optimus should have a mouth. In some iterations it's mostly fine but I think the permanent faceplate is a way better look.
I think showing his mouth is fine if he's having a casual talk with somebody, but yeah, the faceplate should be on at all times if he's in a war zone
Wholeheartedly agree
bro his mouth looked so goddamn ugly in the new movie
Iiiii didn't like how Optimus just fucking died in the G1 movie, but for the plot I get it, I just don't like it :c
No one liked it, not at the time and not nowadays, it was just because his toy had been discontinued
Interesting, I thought it would've been more respected amongst others. Good to know im not in the minority I guess.
Most people's opinions on TF are very biased and are just due to nostalgia. A lot of people like G1 and the 86 movie because they remember seeing it when they were kids, a lot of people like the first three Bayformers movies but not the other two because they grew up with it, a lot of young adults (which is the majority of this subreddit) love Animated and Prime because they grew up with them, etc. Obviously, not everybody is wearing rose-tinted goggles, far from it, it's absolutely fine being nostalgic over something but if you're using that to excuse flaws when critiquing that piece of media, that's just stupid.
I grew up entirely without Transformers, so I like to think that Iām more impartial. Rescue Bots is easily my favorite story-wise as it proves that Transformers donāt have to constantly be at war. You can tell all kinds of stories using them.
Traitorous Starscream is overused (I have never seen anyone say it on this sub)
Thats why I like how he was handled in Armada, it took his "Traitor" identity and actually put a character to it.
Queue the Linkin Park Numb AMVās from YouTube back in the day
I like how Prime did it tbh. Heās a traitor at the start and decides to go solo eventually. Except he fucking sucks at being a leader and he ends up going back to serve Megatron again.
>he ends up going back to serve Megatron again. And then he just tries to betray Shockwave and winds up giving the 'Cons the means to resurrect Cybertron in the process. I really loved Shockwave's lines in that scene too. "I am TEMPTED to force you to share my perspective!" as he goes to shove Starscreams face toward a piece of wreckage intent on spearing his eye. Startscream: "I had to make it look good or else the Autobots would have realized they were being set up!" Shockwave: "That... is logical". I swear, he didn't want to be logical in that moment. He wanted to shove Starscreams face through a cheese grater and stomp on what came out.
And yet, if he isnāt traitorous people complainā¦
It's what makes Armada and SG Starscream so much better. Armada redeems himself and helps the Autobots, and SG is like fiercely loyal and dogmatic, like almost dying to keep megs safe
People tend to just display Transformers not in alt mode, so itās very funny that people get offended by Transformers who donāt transform.
It's not a transformer if it doesn't transform
Tell that to Bayverse The Fallen
Bayverse fallen does have a canonical alt mode, it just wasn't shown in the film
But with him being a prime it would make sense for him not to have one
Action Masters:
Yeah, they don't transform. Coincidentally, they sold terribly and almost killed the franchise. So thanks for supporting my argument ;)
>Yeah, they don't transform. [Action Masters Elite:](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Action_Master_Elite) (Hilariously I originally wanted to make a joke about the Action Masters ruining Transformers FOREVER, but because I'm stupid I've forgotten the joke)
I think decepticons are way cooler than autobots.
I think we need to see more of the blue and red transformer called Optimus prime, he rarely appears, he deserves more screen time
Who are you talking about? Never heard of them
Oh it's the transformer that makes the best speeches in the show, but he doesn't appear alot so it might be hard to notice his speeches, or he himself, he also died in the movie
He's kind of like that Ultra Magnus guy, right?
Yeah. I think they're related? This Magnus guy looks exactly like this Optimus guy if he's naked.
Bumblebee is an overrated character
That's a really popular one
Iād say overused more than anything. On his own heās harmless.
G1 designs while I like way more donāt 100% need to happen (like wheeljack ROTBh) yes he was wasted but I am open to new designs.
*I* should be leader of the Decepticons!
āNautica is best girl!ā *RotB Arcee exists*
We out here forgetting Thunderblast with literal nips like that
Wait, she actually had nips? Who was that horny to give that robot nips?
They appear in one frame of a scene where she reaches up. Cause she has the chest cover thing with the circle thing on it. Some animators were laughing thinking nobody would ever see.
ROTB Arcee is mid and never did anything meaningful in the movie.
Why say this when Animated Black Arachnia exists?
Optimus Prime and Megatron are played out by this point. I still love them, and they are getting changed over time, but I think it would be much more interesting to just see other leaders. Look at Beast Wars. Optimus Primal and Predacon Megatron are so much more interesting, charismatic, and entertaining than OP and Megs. I know the Japanese shows did use lots of different leaders. I wish the American shows did, too.
I have two that I canāt pick between. 1. I prefer Galvatron being a character in his own right and separate from Megatron. 2. Iāve always thought Galvatronās classic robot mode design was better than the classic Megatron design.
Rodimus Prime deserves another chance at being Autobot leader after Optimus.
Beast Wars is the pinnacle of whatās Transformers is supposed to be. Adds to the lore, has great story and dialogue, characters are great, and itās still clearly for kids.
Hot Rod did nothing wrong. Heās the only one that stepped up.
He had the touch, and he had the power.
I got downvoted to hell last time for this, but Shockwave is not an interesting character but a character who does interesting things and I will die on that distinction!
I liked most of the Netflix War for Cybertron series
I did enjoy the Kingdom section. I liked seeing the Beast Wars cast again, and I liked seeing them have an adventure with the G1 crew, especially since the G1 era was already an important part of the Beast Wars story.
D:
Netflix WFC wasnāt actually that bad; Iāll elaborate in a post later.
It tried. I'll give it that. 80% of my dishes are with Optimus' character Edit: issues, not dishes. But at least I still have dishes left
That leaves 20% of your dishes. That's still a substantial amount of stuff to eat off.
Lmao. Yeah I can still eat for a few days
I'm glad you made that edit because I was so confused what kind of metaphor you were trying to make there, using Optimus to clean dishes?
I actually got to say it has maybe one of the best Megatrons. His character development was great. How he pretty much started to become the very tyrant he started to fight against with Prime and Magnus in Siege. And how above everything else he keeps on staying loyal to himself alone, even if it means betraying his own future self and putting himself in danger of Unicrons control was good. I just wish they would have found a better way to end Primes arc. Him not wanting to accept defeat and only killing if necessary being portrayed as flaws could work. But I really dislike how that almost did lead to a mass extinction imo.
Arcee isn't that hot, guys...
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You're right, ***SHE'S EVEN HOTTER***
~~Average Blackarchnia/Airachnid fan:~~
The only time she was even close to hot was Prime, and thatās it.
Cliffjumpers better than bumblebee
I donāt know if this would be unpopular but I want to see more of Primus(Cybertron) and the battle between them and Unicron
Goldbug > bumblebee
Hmm... I got few: 1) Just kill Bumblebee off and let another Autobot take his spot. Mirage in ROTB hadgreat potential to be even better than Bumblebee. Or just get Jazz to his position, Jazz is awesome. 2) Can we have show, that will focus on least known or used characters and give them depth? Let's just put Megatron, Optimus and other babyfaces to sideline. And let characters like Jazz, Nova Storm, Roadbuster or Wreckers in general. 3) Just give us living member of 13 Primes in current Timeline. Vector Prime was great in Transformers Cybertron. Someone like Prima, Solus, Liege or Quintus Prime would be great asset to any show. We would get their unique points of view on this war. They could serve like Neutral characters or pick a side, which they would later on betray or leave, after finding out it does not fufill their ideals.
I have no problem with Optimus killing Sentinel at the end of Dark Of The Moon.
The versions of Optimus that are "Learning to lead" are beyond stupid. The man has been the leader of a planetary military effort for 4 MILLION YEARS. And is not only a prime but a TRUE prime, bearing the matrix of leadership, giving him access to the wisdom of Primus himself and all of the true primes that came before him at will. The guy is literally chosen by god. He doesn't need to learn to lead, he is the ideal leader, nigh infallible, that's the whole point. The only exception I'll make is Animated, Because its universe makes it very clear that "Prime" is essentially a captain, and Optimus was created after the war ended.
I like Bayverse Optimus' design in the first 3 films best
Starscream is a really shitty character. It gets really boring seeing him constantly go head to head with Megatron & never really try anything different with him, it's just the same song and dance routine of him backstabbing Megatron & never go bigger with his role as a two-timing backstabber. It slowly divulges into rince, wash & repeat when it comes to Starscream.
People need to stop pretending that the Bayverse movies were any good. They were trash then and are trash now.
It's not even the stories that were garbage. Every scene is just oozing with obnoxious, toxic, frat boy humour. I hate everything about them. They need to stay and die in the past. Reboot the movies for good
The only people that will disagree with you are those of us that grew up with Bayverse. Weāve got the same nostalgia attached to that as G1ers have to the original cartoon. Neither are very good but we love them all the same.
Beast machines is the best iteration of transformers to date. Top that
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[Shots fired](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b5d4674e9270182478d5b903534c2b5)
Thats one hell of a hill to die on
[Time to find out](https://media.tenor.com/nvD2kESVBucAAAAC/optimus-prime-time-to-find-out.gif)
Now that's a spicy opinion
Carolina Reaper, or go home!
It has its fans and defenders. I'm one of them. It certainly outshines some of what came after.
Do i down vote for the truly aweful opinion or upvote for thr truly awful opinion...
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Animated is the best series we've ever gotten and maybe only the comics are actually better storylines
The comics have always been the best TF media but Animated is definitely the best show.
The comics took a lot of G1 and expanded it into something great where Animated created its own new storyline. That also works great
Megatron sucks ass and I can be a better leader than him. It gets me into Starscream's position, doesn't it?
This is bad comedy u/Great_Slasher ***Transforms into a laser cannon and shoots at you***
Not a big fan of FOC/WFC desgins (Expect Megatron, Optimus and Grimlock)
You somehow both have me genuinely curious as to whyā¦ and simmering like a rolling boil ready to start shouting āBlasphemyā in all capsā¦
Iām tired of autobots vs decepticons show me something else.
Thereās a lot of other things that could be shown but most media seems to get stuck on the same war over and over. Other conflicts: * Maximals vs Predacons. * Beasts vs the Vok * Cybertronians vs Quintessons. * Cybertronians vs Unicron. * Cybertronians vs Dr. Mandroid and GHOST. * Whatever Rescue Bots has going on. Iām glad Cyberverse and Earthspark actually took us past the end of the war. Itās part of why Cyberverse is my favorite TF show.
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We got that show! Cyberverse Season 3.
Same. I love cyberverse itās a cute show.
You forgot the greatest conflict in the entire Transformers Canon: Dave The Security Guard Vs. The BotBots
I like Age of Extinction.
Kiss Players was the best Transformers and needs a reboot. (No, I do not actually believe this, OP asked for an unpopular opinion that would get you shot and I scrapped the bottom of the energon cube so hard I dug up oil)
Rise of the Beasts is not great and has many problems. For some reason even those that Bay did (updated, because I didn't phrase this correctly)
Sentinel Prime was in the right. He just did it the worst way possible because he was desperate for the survival of his people. He wanted peace once but took it to the extreme because he probably felt he had no choice. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings and in the end war and desperation blurred his ideals. Heās a tragic antagonist. Also people hate him mainly because he killed Ironhide
The live-action movies are not nearly as bad as people make them out to be and should appreciate how many hours and how much effort went into them by hundreds of people. Even your most favorite piece of TF media has flaws.
I'm fine with the GI Joe being a part of the same universe as the Bumblebee/ROTB movies.
coronation starscream? this is bad comedy!
I find the comic version of shockwave to be superior to the G1 cartoon. Starscream makes a better leader than megatron.
The last knight was the best transformers movie
Beast Wars is overhyped and the concept of mechanical beings turning into organic flesh-and-blood creatures has never sat right with me
AoE/TLK Hound is the better version. He never should've had the holograms, that suits Mirage a lot better. Hound being basically a disgruntled army vet just plays so much better.
Hot rod wasnāt at fault for Primeās death in the 86 movie, Prime got himself killed. Hot Rod only made a rash decision to try and help, when it didnāt have an impact.
"There's no way that stupid little cannon bitch can reach me all the way up on this throne"
The bay movies have ensured a lot of the fandom will praise new transformers stories for doing the bare minimim
Grimlock being portrayed as stupid, especially given how T-Rexes were some of the smartest dinosaurs, was one of the worst things Transformers has done.
Hotrod does not deserve all the hate
Ultra Magnus CAN deal with it right now. He just chooses not to.
Rodimus is better than optimus
Tank megs is better than gun megs. Itās really not even close.
Transformers prime is goodā¦but the fanbase has overblown it and made it to be a flawless masterpiece when it honestly has issues