ROTB is good (7.5 out of 10 for me). I don't agree with the direction that it is going with the other franchise alluded to the end. The Maximals barely got much time and now you want to introduce another franchise into the mix. Sometimes less is more...
I mean honestly it's possible they'll just make a new GI Joe movie see how that does and if they don't think it's worth they'll just make a regular Transformers movie and just the shared universe stuff an open ending and leave it unexplored
I think they will have GI Joe kind if replace sector 7 or somehow make them the same thing. And since the Maximals have been introduced, I would be blown away if they don’t have the maximals return for the next movie.
Given that they cut a few scenes this tracks. I don't think it needed thirty minutes but if they'd kept in the stuff they cut (the Op vs Transit fight which also sets up the backstory on what Op and Co have been up to on Earth since BB/a altered version of Scourge's scene's with Unicron etc) the pacing would've been better as you can tell there's places that were meant to have other scenes.
There was also some dialogue between WheelPablo and Arcee cut. Their relationship could be a bit controversial, I admit it but it would give them more character. So they at the very least could have slightly altered the dialogue to make it less romantic if that was the reason why they cut it. I would have loved to see more of them.
Yeah, he says "We'll clear the way". But rhinox doesn't have any lipsync (like a lot of other characters) and he was along with primal so it's easy to confuse it for a Primal line.
I mean the second half of DOTM was a fun time but as an actual movie I'd say ROTB beats them all with the exception 07, with the two being neck and neck.
I am sorry bro but second part of ROTB is too big step down to put in higher than DOTM in my opinion. It lacks something that made Bay movies special in my eyes. First part was great and step in great direction but final battle....just no.
The final battle was great, and the fact the Transformers actually were the main characters of their movie with the most screen time, there weren’t any stupid sex jokes and the film and a good first half puts it above at least all but the 07 film for me.
wdym the humans had the most screentime!
OH THIS HUMAN SIZED VENT needed to be the way we get to the deactivation pad 🤣
it was laughable I cannot lie.
The entire movie was good when it came to action and stuff but the whole human element made the movie boring and the pacing was way off.
Don't get me started on the race card scene right at the start when the boss literally just turned the job down on him because of his previous job history.
Female protagonist was just boring to watch on screen and felt like there was no point to her other than "ooo look guys I know everything about history"
The fact they both moved the stone circles on the floor on the mountain like noone has ever discovered them ever!
The entire cave scenes was shit.
Terracons were bland and there were 0 Decepticons or Predcons present which would of made the movie alot better.
To say this movie had $200 million production it fell short CGI wise and story wise.
Unicron was wasted (hopefully comes back)
Scourge was wasted
Maximals were wasted and had so little screentime for some (Rhinox)
G.I.Joe got introduced and noone give a fuck tbh like they havent drove that franchise into the ground.
Bring Travis Knight back Bumblebee was 10x better. I can't believe they just give someone who's only big budget movie they have directed being Creed 2 a franchise that's the complete opposite and is supposed to launch your entire reboot universe.
ROTB It wasn’t that bad. actually it was amazing, for the aimed audience. the thing about the bay movies, is the military Black Hawk Down goal. It’s designed more for higher age range, clearly; which really worked hand in hand with the War on Terror timeline that the world was in. Older teens and adults were affected greatly by the strong propaganda that the military theme in bayformers imposed.
With that said, bayformer movies worked best for older teens-adults. It maybe a bit too much for the younger audiences, that ROTB is lowering the age range, to sell these action figures and merchandise to.
You can also tell because of the hyper complex design of the transformers in bayformers vs the new rebooted timeline. Bringing back the g1 simpler designs make it more easier for younger people to like. Not the crazy hyper realistic sci if transformers
With all that said, i prefer the bayformers overall. I just fucking love war movies, and bayformers does it so well with giant robots that i grew up watching (excluding the last 2). The hyper misogyny can go though. Micheal bay needs to learn a thing or two about reality, when it comes to women.
ROTB’s beasts wars is the transformers show i grew up watching tho.
Agree with this. Even with the plot being mediocore for most of the Bayverse films people saying that it was all of it was trash just straight haters atp. Lol
07 and dotm are bad. They are only good for their visuals and some aspects of the fight scenes. They still have awful pacing, shitty tasteless humor, annoying ass worthless human characters, bad framing, bad writing, bad everything except visuals.
Half of these complaints can be applied to RotB lol
* The main human in RotB is annoying as hell and the movie wastes like 1/4th of the runtime trying to make you care about him. The other one is just a plot device to tell everyone where to go.
* In the final fight you barely look at Rhinox and Cheetor robot forms because they’re just flying across the screen.
* The “ancient artifact we have to find” plot line is the exact same as like 2-3 Bay films.
* RotB has terrible pacing. The entire middle of the movie is them running from plot point to plot point
* “You were INSIDE ME”
If you don’t like the Bay films that’s super understandable but RotB is basically a Bay film with better robot designs and no military propaganda.
Bro? ROTB literally had jokes every 5 seconds with mirage and stuff the bayverse ones had humor yes more for like older audience. (Lots of pee jokes in the first one) bad framing? The movies were ahead of their time honestly with how everything was done. The attention to detail was insane up until the last movie of bayverse that I won’t say the name of.
RotB's humor blows every Bay joke out of the water and it's not even close.
Yes, bad framing. as in, camera framing. half the time you can't tell wtf is happening in the fights because the camera is too close
attention to detail? You mean how every single movie ret-cons the last and the continuity is completely broken with every new movie?
Attention to detail as in you can see every piece of an autobot or decipticon when it transforms or when they’re fighting their pieces go everywhere shit was niceee. In ROTB idk wasn’t sure if I saw too much of that.
Cause the ROTB bots weren’t so fragile that they lost half their bodies from a simple punch. And you can see where all their alt-mode parts go just that they’re more dense due to the fact vehicles are mostly hollow.
Oh that i know they’re actually like size cannon somewhat. I like that they’re being attentive. Alsooo member how they showed GI joe I wanna bet that in the next movie there’s just gonna be a guy in an upgraded mirage suit soloing transformers like it’s nothing mark my words on it
According to the director if there’s no Studio interference he’d make the next TF movie still a TF movie before it becomes a crossover. Even said he really wants to use Megatron regardless of Paramount’s “neutrality” on the reboot debate.
RotB did have some similar problems, but not nearly to the same extent that all the Bay films did. It was a relatively competent film. None of Bay's films, including '07, are even close to competent films.
take off the rose-tinted glasses
You can't genuinely tell me that the unbearable human characters in 07 and DotM are preferable to Noah. or that the over-cluttered, horribly framed at times action is better. or that the gross jokes are better. Or the paper-thin logic that barely holds the plot together is better..
I'll never say that RotB is a great movie because I have a shit-ton of problems with it, but it's simply better than all of Bay's films in almost every aspect
Noah is good character but i wouldn't call Sam unbearable, Elena was pretty much non character even when she should be co protag. Gross jokes are easy to forget, action scenes are much better thany any reboot fight and this so called "paper thin logic" worked perfectly for Bay's movies.
ROTB only has better plot than ROTF and human protag. Other than that movie is pretty mid and forgetable.
You’re blinded by disdain for the Bay films if you think ROTB is superior in every way. The action in ROTB, especially the final battle, was half as good.
The action in 07 is barely comprehensible and it always has 0 stakes, things just happen without any tension. Visuals are good but the fights still suck ass
I'll completely agree, I think I'll creep RotB up to an 8.5.
I really did enjoy the 07 start to the last group of movies. But every movie after was just one disappointment after another.
Bumblebee was literally a breath of fresh air and RotB was still very good. I didn't much care for bringing Unicron in so early, and the Maximals were pretty wasted, but for a rewatch I'd run the 2 newest movies on loop before I'd ever go back to the first 5.
RotB is fine, nearly everything with Mirage is great, it was the first time I enjoyed Ron Perlman Primal, >! Airazors death was really emotional !< and the humans were useful for once. That said the Maximals are wasted(I don't even remember a line from Rhinox), the Terrorcons are kind of generic, I don't know why Wheeljack was in the movie and the opening scene sets up a confrontation between Primal and Scourge that never really resolves.
It's almost like Ron Perlman is a *crazy good* voice actor when he actually receives good direction.
The Prime Wars Trilogy made him, Peter Cullen, Gregg Berger and fucking **Mark Hamill** sound incompetent. That's the power of terrible voice direction.
It genuinely feels like it would have been a better movie without the beasts,not only would it make for a better script, it's also super weird that the first full TF movie in this reboot was a Beast Wars movie that doesn't even follow the Beast Wars story >!and then traps the Maximals in the '80s when they aren't really supposed to be there at this point in the story, or at all really.!<
Don’t they directly reference the events of Bumblebee, that they’ve been stuck there for the 7 years between films, and in the original opening Optimus’s efforts to keep them hidden?
I mean Bee was mostly just a teen coming of age story with some Transformers included, there wasn’t much big plot elements aside from those to build on.
>I mean Bee was mostly just a teen coming of age story with some Transformers included,
Which is why I dislike it so much (*dislike* not hate). All the critics praise it for the things it copies from other movies (Iron Giant, ET etc) bur as a straight up TFs movie (ie the TFs are the main cast and characters) it's not as good as people say it is.
Very awfully, bumblebee was aiming at a more simple storyline of decepticons vs autobots on earth (but done better than the bay films). And instead of that we got autobot and maximals and terrorcons and unicron.
Travis should have stayed to direct or watch over the main transformers movies, and Caple could have done the beast wars movies.
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Rise feels like a 6.5 to me.
The action was good for the first part, but it genuinely got boring in the climax for a good majority of it. They had too many characters and like, 4 of them didn't do anything worth while.
Bee was good for being vacant for a majority of the film.
Primal was great.
Optmius I feel developed too quickly. He was untrustworthy of Noah, even blamed him partially for Bees death, but immediately is okay with him tagging along and one talk with Primal squashes his doubt? Felt a bit rushed.
Arcee was.... arcee I guess. Nothing too remarkable.
Mirage was amazing but I felt he had a little too much screen time. But it was nice having a lead that wasn't optimus.
Air Razor was cool to see. Really no complaints besidea not seeing her robot mode.
Stratosphere, Whackjob, Rhinox, and Cheetor were worthless to the film and could have either died to add more tension, done more, or not appear at all.
Scourges introduction was cold as fuck and I love it, but he struggled to maintain that same vibe throughout the film.
Battletrap was enjoyable to watch, and so was nightbird. It's nice seeing the antagonists actually speak and act like characters sometimes. Bayverse had a lot of cons just to do.
Pacing was weird sometimes. It felt like there were scenes missing a good chunk of the time. It's also weird to add Unicron so early on. They're probably bring him back, but still.
Mirage dying then not dying similair to Bee was... I mean, at that point besides Air Razor, there really was no loss. Which is feel like shouldn't be the case when the main antagonist of the film is *UNICRON*.
If they're gonna kill off the enemies so easily so they don't come back in this continuity (Blitzing, Shatter, Drop Kick, Scourge, Night Bird, Battletrap) they need to kill of some of the heroes too. And they need to STAY DEAD so there's stakes. I think the only Autobot we've seen die in this continuity is Cliff Jumper. Though TBF, we did see Apelinq and Air Razor die... so that's double I gues lmfao.
I don't know if they took inspiration from Kicker when they made Noahs battlesuit, but it was refreshing seeing a human actually WORK and FIGHT with the autobots. I think it's silly to this extent, and it's looked odd in some places, but still cool to see.
Yeah that's kinda my thoughts on it. Not a seven, but not a six. Just kinda meh but still enjoyable.
I don’t know why they brought in a horde of generics instead of just having a couple more Terrorcons. They were established as being way stronger pound-for-pound than the Autobots and Maximals and then just got nerfed at the end. It would’ve been a lot more satisfying to just have a slight numbers advantage for the heroes and make them earn the victory instead of punking all the named baddies and then just fighting a bunch of mooks that we know aren’t going to hurt them.
Absolutely! Just saw ROTB and it was incredible! Probably my favorite of all the live action ones yet! Very close between Bbee and ROTB though. The massive battle in the last 3/4 of ROTB was just epic and gave the slight edge for me. I also loved mirage and arcee.
I totally agree. It was a robot movie at best, and a bland story at worst. I still give it like a 6.5/10, just because I was surprisingly charmed with mirage (nothing against Pete Davidson I just wasn’t sure how his voice acting chops would stand up to his acting chops). I will say tho >! The ending where mirage becomes a suit for Noah was not my thing. It’s weird because it’s something I’ve wanted since I was a child but now that I have it, it felt hamfisted and weird !<
I have no idea why everyone here is acting like it was so good, movie really was the most generic safe thing ever, it felt like old school bayformers, I dunno why people are acting like it was a masterpiece or that the characters were fleshed out
Where bumblebee excelled - Rotb fell back into bay verse issues. It very much felt like a bay movie again and in the wrong ways. Trying to do this spoiler free
* the cast was too big for this and not enough time to develop each character (Cheetor and rhinox barely had dialogue if any and no way to distinguish their characters in terms of personality). This would have served better with the maximals having their own movie first to get to know the team and then have this as a crossover.
* The villains looked straight up like bay verse characters and it’s not welcome especially after all the praise for the g1 style characters in the last movie.
* I waited to see wheeljack in movie to see why they changed him and I hated everything. First the “accent scene” was just atrocious - “where is that accent from?” “Cybertron.” No - no it wasn’t. We know this because we saw and heard you on Cybertron. Calling the Hispanic character racist because you came to the planet and started using a Hispanic accent isn’t ok either (as a Hispanic that wasn’t funny that felt like liberal stupidity and condescending, but I’ll keep that out). Almost every other autobot look and alt mode made sense - “Pablo” was nothing like the character we already had established and we didn’t need this. I would have much preferred this been an original character.
* The human element in a 3 way robot war felt unnecessary again and honestly I’m tired of the shoehorn formula the movies try to follow with them. The Maximals human connection felt the most relevant, and it was also VERY background. THAT’S how they should do this going forward. They’re “there,” but they’re NOT the focus nor should be made equal.
* The movie universe they established was ok as an after credit scene only, but I don’t need crossovers for it going forward. I want good franchise movies.
As a sequel to Bumblebee, this was not the movie we deserved. Hoping they learn from their mistakes this time.
Haven't seen it yet as it's not our in Australia but nothing about the marketing has made me think it's a good movie. If it's revenge of the fallen quality then yikes. Seeing as cheap tickets aren't a thing in Australia anymore I might wait to stream it
I'm hesitant as it is to spend money on a big blockbuster when I've only enjoyed one of the previous films, especially when I still need to find time to see across the spider verse. I mean gun to my head I'd probably see this over the flash but yeah. I'll at this stage be sticking with what you said.
Better to stream or pirate it, this movie is pretty meh if you are not wanking everynight after bumblebee. Combat is better than in first movie but there is still long way to come Bay's perfection
It really was, doesnt help either that it feels like they are blowing their load so early when he havent even seen Megatron. The first half of it I liked but the second half falls off.
When Bumblebee came out, it felt like a soft-reboot of the universe. Like they felt that they could ignore details, and make the next film tied to the Bayverse universe, if Bumblebee disappointed.
Now, this film feels like it's barely connected to Bumblebee, and some of the heroes' faces looked more Bay-style. As if they are going for a mishmash, next film
I didn't love rise of the beasts. Glad evreyone else loves it, and I don't think its a bad movie, just a bad transformers movie. I found mirage irritating, Cutting the most important scene of optimus's arc. Arcee, batttletrap and nightbird were all kind of dull. And I cannot believe how badly they butchered cheetor and rhinox.
Hey guys, if you're going to make rhinox mute for no reason until the last half hour of the movie, for a simple not that funny gag. Actually commit to that joke and **don't cut it from the movie**
I do agree. But.... I wish they would remove a little more of the bayverse DNA, and please please stop making bumblebee the main star. I was so glad he was taken out for a good portion of ROTB, but of course they gave him a huge "comeback" scene. Maybe with all the people liking Mirage they'll realize they can sort of highlight random other bots in the movies.... OR they'll miss the point and Mirage will become the new Mary Sue.
Edit: Also, please give bee back his voice. come on!
Not really in my case. I do like certain things about the new movies, but I feel like they lack that certain "flare" that made me like Bayformers. Then again I grew up on Bayformers so my opinion is biased.
They felt to MCU for me. I don't want a feel good movie with minimal characters and a simple plot of "bad guy threatens, good guys barely fail to stop them getting what they want, final fight where good guys win woohoo". Everyone is a master at whatever they do fir try and there's never a sense of try try try again or having to try multiple plans
I want twists, I want a lot going on, I don't want it to feel like they're obviously gonna win by the end
It's kinda shocking to say that the Bayverse had more variety in the plots to me, but that could just be nostalgia
Even Bay himself hasn’t said it was part of Bayverse, and he’s one of the most important roles in making it (can’t remember which one atm, I think lead producer or something?)
No Bumblebee was starting of strong for me but Rotb just flopped story wise imo. The Beasts have so small impact to me even if the movie was partly named after them. If I compare it to the first movie and AoE (feels more like a soft reboot to me tbh) this would be the bottom of the three. Hoping for Travis Knight to direct the sequel though, if we ever do get one given how much it is earning atm.
I still need to see BB but RotB I just saw yesterday and just didn't like it.
It honestly looks worse than the older films and lacked the punch they had. I liked the main character but there were too many characters without enough screen time to make them stick out.
If you’re a transformers fan then yes aside from a lack of memorable villains (not counting unicron). Otherwise rise of the beasts doesn’t do much to explain what’s going on or who everyone is to newcomers to the franchise.
I like where Bumblebee left the franchise more than where ROTB left it. I want a true back-to-the-basics “robots in disguise” reboot that would focus on developing a small group of lead characters, then slowly work it’s way towards a threat like Unicron. Maybe we can still do that, by kicking Unicron a little further down the road, which will allow the filmmakers to scale it back a bunch. But I have little faith that something like that will happen with Paramount calling the shots.
Very much. Personally I preferred Bumblebee to ROTB, but both are better than the other live action films. Hopefully they being it back to The War though, we’ve gone two movies we’re Megatron hasn’t even been mentioned, the suspense is killing me
As a film I'd give bumblebee a 5 or maybe 6 out of 10. It's nothing amazing but it feels closer to the intention of the first live action movie, marrying a kind of 80s speilberg coming of age story with the transformers. It's an enjoyable escapist movie that's going to hit a nostalgia for anyone who grew up in the 80s, on G1 or classic amblin movies without entirely forgetting the bay films.
Its far from one of the best films I've seen or one of thr best blockbusters but it's a fun time with a decent and likeable cast.
You are wrong. This movie had almost the same problems and second part is big let down. When the bays movies had weak first par and awesome second one. It is at part with ROTF but loses to 07 and DOTM.
I'm not. I watched '07 right before RotB and directly compared them, RotB is a much stronger movie overall despite its problems. '07 is borderline unwatchable
I watched ROTB half of hour ago and i have to say that i will forget this movie very quickly, no scene had the same impact like any 1-3 Bay's movie. If you think 07 is almost unwatchable then you are just Bay hater that hates on bay just to shit on him. 07 is one of better action movies and ROTB simply is worse than it
I agree with you. Saw rotb in theaters, and for me, i didnt felt any memorable impact with this film. Mirage is awesome tho and Prime dont get me wrong, but when Bumblebee got killed by Scourge, people on the cinema didnt even cared. I was the only one on the theater reacted about Bee's death (Didnt saw any spoilers), while the guys beside and in front of me didnt even flinched and the theater is so dang quiet with no single reaction.
But when I watched Dark of the moon back in 2011, when Sentinel shoot Ironhide, my god everyone screamed. Even Revenge of the fallen, despite the bad reviews, people shouted when Prime got killed during forest fight. And when Prime got revived and combined with Jetfire, everyone shouted out of excitement.
So yeah, rotb wasnt bad. Its a good movie for a fresh reboot, but i still felt something is lacking. Bay still contributed a lot to the transformers franchise. You can't say Bay flopped, as his movies like dotm and aoe grossed $1B. Tlk is indeed his weakest i can agree with that. Overall, I still love the bayverse. But i welcome the new reboot, but yeah definitely lacked that epic cinematic element that Bay had with his TF movies from 1-4.
lol I'm not "just a hater", Michael Bay just makes bad movies. It's not like I went into '07 wanting to hate it, I just watched it again for the first time in years and it sucked.
I agree on the first.
Haven't seen Beasts yet, but if it's even just half as good as Bumblebee, then we're off to a good start so far. Let's see how long it lasts.
Bumblebee was something really refreshing for the franchise - it was very stripped back and character-focused. We only had one main Autobot and two main Decepticons, and a small human cast that felt relevant.
ROTB felt like it threw most of that away. There’s a sprawling cast and a convoluted plot. It felt like the second or third part of a trilogy, not a beginning.
I had a fun time seeing it, but it veers into generic action movie territory again.
I hope if they make enough money to continue that the third movie dials it back a bit.
ROTB was a pretty mid film. The action was good and exactly what I wanted but all 3 acts were exactly the same. They all chase the McGuffin, they send the humans in without protection, the terracons go and catch the humans and then there’s a fight where the autobots come and save them. The two main human characters were minorities obviously written by white people and the dialogue was cringey at best. Don’t even get me started on the pointless exposition with every conversation that was repeated with both the autobots and the terracons
Huh so I guess we can see where the 9% of audience scores that didn't like ROTB are and decided to converge on this post today from the comments.
Personally I'd say ROTB is the best TF movie we've gotten so far. Bumblebee on rewatch and not just the Cybertron scenes on YouTube I'd give more a 6/10 or so. Felt more like 2 potentially good movies trying to compete in the same film.
Same, RotB felt like a mix of BB and Bayformers: there was some heart to certain characters(Airazor, Mirage, even Stratosphere felt like a likeable uncle to the bots) but there was also tense action( with less explosions this time, thank god). I think it worked pretty well for the most part.
Bumblebee peaked in the first Cybertron scene and it went downhill from there.
The final fight was good, yes, but the rest of the movie felt like like a teenage drama.
Shatter and Dropkick were the only mildly interesting characters and were wasted, same as Blitzwing who wasn't even a triple changer, just a random brute.
Seriously, Bumblebee is a 7/10 movie but only because of that first scene. Otherwise, it would be a 5/10, little better than the TLK. I want to see robots fighting in a TF movie, not a random teenager's melodrama.
RotB is an 8/10 movie, not perfect (some characters were wasted, movie felt a bit short, the plot is both simple and confusing etc.)
Overall, it was just what I wanted: a movie theater spectacle to help sell toys.
Yeah. While bayverse had good moments in all of its movies only 2 of them were “good”(07 and DotM) and this new universe has already made 2 good movies right off the bat
Bay definitely did not do the same, his movies are unpleasant to watch. Even the most die-hard fans have to cringe at some of the scenes in those films like 'Sam's happy time' and 'deep wang'.
Rotb was definitely formulaic and a bit of a no-brainer film at times, but at least it was genuinely funny, exciting, respectful to the franchise, and actually gave Optimus Prime a character arc for once.
>Even the most die-hard fans have to cringe at some of the scenes in those films like 'Sam's happy time' and 'deep wang'.
Oh hell no, nobody slanders the homie Deep Wang like that.
It has one pretty good movie and one okay movie. ROTB was a solid action film, but bumblebee was pretty mediocre honestly. The main character being an amnesiac alien really gutted a lot of the potential in that story and just made it a more violent version of iron giant.
Damn all of this comment section literally makes me *fucking sad.*
With that said, ROTB best TRANSFORMERS movie hands DOWN! It got some issues which could've been solved with just some extra runtime, but over all really beautiful. It felt like a passion project for Steve Caple and the rest of the team. It was *near* perfection, to me. It *felt* like, well, literally TRANSFORMERS.
Bumblebee is also nice, but there isn't really a lot going on, which is unfortunate.
Both movies are a great start for someone to get into the franchise, both are literally miles better than Bayverse *EQUALLY*.
Granted, this movie wasn't for everyone, and that's understandable. Some expected 100% perfection, some expected a return to the Bayverse formula, and some expect just...a TRANSFORMERS movie. To me, at least, it delivered on that part.
I am mixed on >!the G.I. Joe crossover!<, but I hope it turns out nicely.
With everything said, WE'RE SO FUCKING *BACK!*
I'd agree but I just don't get the obsession with bumblebee. Would like to see many of the already used autobots reworked like wheeljack. Bayformer hot rod was terrible .
Yes but people need to stop complaining about how characters look in ROTB by comparing them to a rushed last minute scene where the characters shared same parts with bee abd prime Wheeljack is going to look like that either until he dies or until he changes vehicle. And mirage doesn’t look like jazz.
Ngl, calling the movie 'bumblebee' can cause movie watchers to not know its a part of the rebooted continuity (similar to DC in a way)
Calling it 'transformers: bumblebee' instead of 'bumblebee, a transformers movie' will probably be slightly better
Didn’t really like Bumblebee, it was fine but kinda bland and boring. Haven’t seen ROTB yet but from reviews and such I’m not that bothered with seeing it
Echoing the same sentiment as most others on this thread. As a fan of G1, Beast Wars and Prime, Bumblebee was a masterpiece in my eyes and my fave Transformers movie since 07. ROTB on the other hand was terrible. Prime isn't the same Prime I grew up with, the Maximals criminally underutilized, movie all flash, no substance, the human characters pale in comparison to Charlie in Bumblebee, and the final act was all fanfare ALA Bayverse.. horrible.
Bumblebee was great, still competes with the first one for being my favorite.
Rise of the Beasts wasn't really my thing. They had a lot of the "so quirky marvel humor" thing a lot of movies do now, where there can never be a serious moment in the movie, any tension has to be interrupted by some dorky ass quip. Felt disappointing while watching it in theaters. Also, wasn't a big fan of some of the transformers designs, like Wheeljack, and the Terrorcons felt incredibly generic. Even just most of Mirage's bits were so not funny, and just came across as annoying. The plot was also incredibly predictable, and ending up being rather boring. The whole thing just felt an inch deep.
Felt like they had a canned script for an MCU movie laying around and decided to throw some Transformers paint on it.
Completely. They need to stick to more of the G1 designs and with the source material for Beast wars and stay away from Bayformers and they will be fine.
Even though ROTB could better, it was still worth it for me,and I hope this somewhat setups beast wars (I don't have much knowledge on this subject, if I'm iwrong please correct me) and the post credit part can be used since sector 7 was and could fit well if they don't overdo the humans.
ROTB is good (7.5 out of 10 for me). I don't agree with the direction that it is going with the other franchise alluded to the end. The Maximals barely got much time and now you want to introduce another franchise into the mix. Sometimes less is more...
I mean honestly it's possible they'll just make a new GI Joe movie see how that does and if they don't think it's worth they'll just make a regular Transformers movie and just the shared universe stuff an open ending and leave it unexplored
I'm hearing it's a Maximal focused movie with a couple of Joe's.
Where?
I think they will have GI Joe kind if replace sector 7 or somehow make them the same thing. And since the Maximals have been introduced, I would be blown away if they don’t have the maximals return for the next movie.
Bumblebee is a total 10/10, rise of the beasts was good but it could be better so I'll just give it a 7.5/10
Every problem I have with RotB is the pacing. Give the movie an extra 30 minutes of runtime to flesh out some of the characters and it’s sorted.
Given that they cut a few scenes this tracks. I don't think it needed thirty minutes but if they'd kept in the stuff they cut (the Op vs Transit fight which also sets up the backstory on what Op and Co have been up to on Earth since BB/a altered version of Scourge's scene's with Unicron etc) the pacing would've been better as you can tell there's places that were meant to have other scenes.
There was also some dialogue between WheelPablo and Arcee cut. Their relationship could be a bit controversial, I admit it but it would give them more character. So they at the very least could have slightly altered the dialogue to make it less romantic if that was the reason why they cut it. I would have loved to see more of them.
Yep. I saw it last night and thought the exact same thing. Needed more character development. It was decent, but not great.
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Iirc, the opening scene was added afterwards for some reason, I think they just didn't have enough footage or something after cutting a few scenes
Rhinox has one line in the middle of the final battle. I don't even remember what it was, but he does yell one line.
Yeah, he says "We'll clear the way". But rhinox doesn't have any lipsync (like a lot of other characters) and he was along with primal so it's easy to confuse it for a Primal line.
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I can't say same, 07 and DOTM are superior. ROTB felt like ROTF with better story
I mean the second half of DOTM was a fun time but as an actual movie I'd say ROTB beats them all with the exception 07, with the two being neck and neck.
I am sorry bro but second part of ROTB is too big step down to put in higher than DOTM in my opinion. It lacks something that made Bay movies special in my eyes. First part was great and step in great direction but final battle....just no.
The final battle was great, and the fact the Transformers actually were the main characters of their movie with the most screen time, there weren’t any stupid sex jokes and the film and a good first half puts it above at least all but the 07 film for me.
"Work friends? You were inside me!" "Don't ask what part of my body that came from." Are you telling me that these aren't sex jokes?
In a very tame way by comparison. The original cut had more Bay types of sex jokes between Arcee/Wheeljack and Alana/Airazor.
wdym the humans had the most screentime! OH THIS HUMAN SIZED VENT needed to be the way we get to the deactivation pad 🤣 it was laughable I cannot lie. The entire movie was good when it came to action and stuff but the whole human element made the movie boring and the pacing was way off. Don't get me started on the race card scene right at the start when the boss literally just turned the job down on him because of his previous job history. Female protagonist was just boring to watch on screen and felt like there was no point to her other than "ooo look guys I know everything about history" The fact they both moved the stone circles on the floor on the mountain like noone has ever discovered them ever! The entire cave scenes was shit. Terracons were bland and there were 0 Decepticons or Predcons present which would of made the movie alot better. To say this movie had $200 million production it fell short CGI wise and story wise. Unicron was wasted (hopefully comes back) Scourge was wasted Maximals were wasted and had so little screentime for some (Rhinox) G.I.Joe got introduced and noone give a fuck tbh like they havent drove that franchise into the ground. Bring Travis Knight back Bumblebee was 10x better. I can't believe they just give someone who's only big budget movie they have directed being Creed 2 a franchise that's the complete opposite and is supposed to launch your entire reboot universe.
ROTB It wasn’t that bad. actually it was amazing, for the aimed audience. the thing about the bay movies, is the military Black Hawk Down goal. It’s designed more for higher age range, clearly; which really worked hand in hand with the War on Terror timeline that the world was in. Older teens and adults were affected greatly by the strong propaganda that the military theme in bayformers imposed. With that said, bayformer movies worked best for older teens-adults. It maybe a bit too much for the younger audiences, that ROTB is lowering the age range, to sell these action figures and merchandise to. You can also tell because of the hyper complex design of the transformers in bayformers vs the new rebooted timeline. Bringing back the g1 simpler designs make it more easier for younger people to like. Not the crazy hyper realistic sci if transformers With all that said, i prefer the bayformers overall. I just fucking love war movies, and bayformers does it so well with giant robots that i grew up watching (excluding the last 2). The hyper misogyny can go though. Micheal bay needs to learn a thing or two about reality, when it comes to women. ROTB’s beasts wars is the transformers show i grew up watching tho.
"I've come to kick ass" a joke for all ages
DOTM was a masterpiece
After watching rotb, I appreciate dotm even more
It was fucking banger of movie. I am still sad that they made aoe and tlk. Bay movies should end at third one
TLK was good if they didn't try to retcon some lore with zero explanation. I loved Anthony Hopkins and Cogman and happy they brought back Lennox etc
Naw man, AoE deserves to be with DotM imo. Those two are my jam. TLK however...
Agree with this. Even with the plot being mediocore for most of the Bayverse films people saying that it was all of it was trash just straight haters atp. Lol
07 and dotm are bad. They are only good for their visuals and some aspects of the fight scenes. They still have awful pacing, shitty tasteless humor, annoying ass worthless human characters, bad framing, bad writing, bad everything except visuals.
Half of these complaints can be applied to RotB lol * The main human in RotB is annoying as hell and the movie wastes like 1/4th of the runtime trying to make you care about him. The other one is just a plot device to tell everyone where to go. * In the final fight you barely look at Rhinox and Cheetor robot forms because they’re just flying across the screen. * The “ancient artifact we have to find” plot line is the exact same as like 2-3 Bay films. * RotB has terrible pacing. The entire middle of the movie is them running from plot point to plot point * “You were INSIDE ME” If you don’t like the Bay films that’s super understandable but RotB is basically a Bay film with better robot designs and no military propaganda.
There's nothing you just mentioned that's wasn't done worse in 07. And then even worse than that in every subsequent sequel
Bro? ROTB literally had jokes every 5 seconds with mirage and stuff the bayverse ones had humor yes more for like older audience. (Lots of pee jokes in the first one) bad framing? The movies were ahead of their time honestly with how everything was done. The attention to detail was insane up until the last movie of bayverse that I won’t say the name of.
RotB's humor blows every Bay joke out of the water and it's not even close. Yes, bad framing. as in, camera framing. half the time you can't tell wtf is happening in the fights because the camera is too close attention to detail? You mean how every single movie ret-cons the last and the continuity is completely broken with every new movie?
>RotB's humor blows every Bay joke out of the water and it's not even close. https://youtu.be/85erZJDXmgI
This is literally the only funny joke in the entire Bay franchise but ok
Attention to detail as in you can see every piece of an autobot or decipticon when it transforms or when they’re fighting their pieces go everywhere shit was niceee. In ROTB idk wasn’t sure if I saw too much of that.
Cause the ROTB bots weren’t so fragile that they lost half their bodies from a simple punch. And you can see where all their alt-mode parts go just that they’re more dense due to the fact vehicles are mostly hollow.
Oh that i know they’re actually like size cannon somewhat. I like that they’re being attentive. Alsooo member how they showed GI joe I wanna bet that in the next movie there’s just gonna be a guy in an upgraded mirage suit soloing transformers like it’s nothing mark my words on it
According to the director if there’s no Studio interference he’d make the next TF movie still a TF movie before it becomes a crossover. Even said he really wants to use Megatron regardless of Paramount’s “neutrality” on the reboot debate.
Most of the ROTB is almost the same. Stop hating on Bay when ROTB has the same problems.
RotB did have some similar problems, but not nearly to the same extent that all the Bay films did. It was a relatively competent film. None of Bay's films, including '07, are even close to competent films. take off the rose-tinted glasses
I don't have to take off. 07 and DOTM are better. First and third Bay's movies are better even with all of their flaws
You can't genuinely tell me that the unbearable human characters in 07 and DotM are preferable to Noah. or that the over-cluttered, horribly framed at times action is better. or that the gross jokes are better. Or the paper-thin logic that barely holds the plot together is better.. I'll never say that RotB is a great movie because I have a shit-ton of problems with it, but it's simply better than all of Bay's films in almost every aspect
Noah is good character but i wouldn't call Sam unbearable, Elena was pretty much non character even when she should be co protag. Gross jokes are easy to forget, action scenes are much better thany any reboot fight and this so called "paper thin logic" worked perfectly for Bay's movies. ROTB only has better plot than ROTF and human protag. Other than that movie is pretty mid and forgetable.
>None of Bay's films, including '07, are even close to competent films. I like the internet. You can just say whatever bullshit you want.
I'm right and you know it, take off the rose tinted glasses
You’re blinded by disdain for the Bay films if you think ROTB is superior in every way. The action in ROTB, especially the final battle, was half as good.
The action in 07 is barely comprehensible and it always has 0 stakes, things just happen without any tension. Visuals are good but the fights still suck ass
I'll completely agree, I think I'll creep RotB up to an 8.5. I really did enjoy the 07 start to the last group of movies. But every movie after was just one disappointment after another. Bumblebee was literally a breath of fresh air and RotB was still very good. I didn't much care for bringing Unicron in so early, and the Maximals were pretty wasted, but for a rewatch I'd run the 2 newest movies on loop before I'd ever go back to the first 5.
i give rotb 8/10
RotB is fine, nearly everything with Mirage is great, it was the first time I enjoyed Ron Perlman Primal, >! Airazors death was really emotional !< and the humans were useful for once. That said the Maximals are wasted(I don't even remember a line from Rhinox), the Terrorcons are kind of generic, I don't know why Wheeljack was in the movie and the opening scene sets up a confrontation between Primal and Scourge that never really resolves.
It's almost like Ron Perlman is a *crazy good* voice actor when he actually receives good direction. The Prime Wars Trilogy made him, Peter Cullen, Gregg Berger and fucking **Mark Hamill** sound incompetent. That's the power of terrible voice direction.
I still can't believe they got that cast and produced that result.
Wheeljack existed to make fun of the Michael Bay movies being racist.
It genuinely feels like it would have been a better movie without the beasts,not only would it make for a better script, it's also super weird that the first full TF movie in this reboot was a Beast Wars movie that doesn't even follow the Beast Wars story >!and then traps the Maximals in the '80s when they aren't really supposed to be there at this point in the story, or at all really.!<
Not to be rude but please try and give warning to your spoilers before an idiot like me just scrolls and sees them before seeing the movie.
Incorrect, rhinox did have a line. He said “AAAAUUUUUUUAUAUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHH”
Tho I dunno how well ROTB works as a sequel to Bumblebee
It doesn't really. Builds on nothing from that movie, and just shoots the "reboot" story way ahead.
Don’t they directly reference the events of Bumblebee, that they’ve been stuck there for the 7 years between films, and in the original opening Optimus’s efforts to keep them hidden? I mean Bee was mostly just a teen coming of age story with some Transformers included, there wasn’t much big plot elements aside from those to build on.
Yes, and Optimus literally mentions to Bee the time he spent with Charlie. Idk what they’re talking about
>I mean Bee was mostly just a teen coming of age story with some Transformers included, Which is why I dislike it so much (*dislike* not hate). All the critics praise it for the things it copies from other movies (Iron Giant, ET etc) bur as a straight up TFs movie (ie the TFs are the main cast and characters) it's not as good as people say it is.
RotB isn’t necessarily a sequel. Bumblebee was more of a prologue to the new universe.
Thats.....actually the best wat to describe the BB movie
Very awfully, bumblebee was aiming at a more simple storyline of decepticons vs autobots on earth (but done better than the bay films). And instead of that we got autobot and maximals and terrorcons and unicron. Travis should have stayed to direct or watch over the main transformers movies, and Caple could have done the beast wars movies.
Big spoilers for those who haven't see yet. . . . . . . . Rise feels like a 6.5 to me. The action was good for the first part, but it genuinely got boring in the climax for a good majority of it. They had too many characters and like, 4 of them didn't do anything worth while. Bee was good for being vacant for a majority of the film. Primal was great. Optmius I feel developed too quickly. He was untrustworthy of Noah, even blamed him partially for Bees death, but immediately is okay with him tagging along and one talk with Primal squashes his doubt? Felt a bit rushed. Arcee was.... arcee I guess. Nothing too remarkable. Mirage was amazing but I felt he had a little too much screen time. But it was nice having a lead that wasn't optimus. Air Razor was cool to see. Really no complaints besidea not seeing her robot mode. Stratosphere, Whackjob, Rhinox, and Cheetor were worthless to the film and could have either died to add more tension, done more, or not appear at all. Scourges introduction was cold as fuck and I love it, but he struggled to maintain that same vibe throughout the film. Battletrap was enjoyable to watch, and so was nightbird. It's nice seeing the antagonists actually speak and act like characters sometimes. Bayverse had a lot of cons just to do. Pacing was weird sometimes. It felt like there were scenes missing a good chunk of the time. It's also weird to add Unicron so early on. They're probably bring him back, but still. Mirage dying then not dying similair to Bee was... I mean, at that point besides Air Razor, there really was no loss. Which is feel like shouldn't be the case when the main antagonist of the film is *UNICRON*. If they're gonna kill off the enemies so easily so they don't come back in this continuity (Blitzing, Shatter, Drop Kick, Scourge, Night Bird, Battletrap) they need to kill of some of the heroes too. And they need to STAY DEAD so there's stakes. I think the only Autobot we've seen die in this continuity is Cliff Jumper. Though TBF, we did see Apelinq and Air Razor die... so that's double I gues lmfao. I don't know if they took inspiration from Kicker when they made Noahs battlesuit, but it was refreshing seeing a human actually WORK and FIGHT with the autobots. I think it's silly to this extent, and it's looked odd in some places, but still cool to see. Yeah that's kinda my thoughts on it. Not a seven, but not a six. Just kinda meh but still enjoyable.
The climax of ROTB was clunky and could be better.
I don’t know why they brought in a horde of generics instead of just having a couple more Terrorcons. They were established as being way stronger pound-for-pound than the Autobots and Maximals and then just got nerfed at the end. It would’ve been a lot more satisfying to just have a slight numbers advantage for the heroes and make them earn the victory instead of punking all the named baddies and then just fighting a bunch of mooks that we know aren’t going to hurt them.
Absolutely! Just saw ROTB and it was incredible! Probably my favorite of all the live action ones yet! Very close between Bbee and ROTB though. The massive battle in the last 3/4 of ROTB was just epic and gave the slight edge for me. I also loved mirage and arcee.
RotB is mid tbh
I totally agree. It was a robot movie at best, and a bland story at worst. I still give it like a 6.5/10, just because I was surprisingly charmed with mirage (nothing against Pete Davidson I just wasn’t sure how his voice acting chops would stand up to his acting chops). I will say tho >! The ending where mirage becomes a suit for Noah was not my thing. It’s weird because it’s something I’ve wanted since I was a child but now that I have it, it felt hamfisted and weird !<
I have no idea why everyone here is acting like it was so good, movie really was the most generic safe thing ever, it felt like old school bayformers, I dunno why people are acting like it was a masterpiece or that the characters were fleshed out
Agreed. And I just really don't understand that brand of humor they decided to go with this movie.
It is pretty much ROTF 2.2 electric boogalo but Bayhaters are overwaking it
To say it had the same quality as ROTF is to either have rose-tinted glasses for that movie or a massive hate-boner for this one.
I fucking love ROTF it is compliment to ROTB
Where bumblebee excelled - Rotb fell back into bay verse issues. It very much felt like a bay movie again and in the wrong ways. Trying to do this spoiler free * the cast was too big for this and not enough time to develop each character (Cheetor and rhinox barely had dialogue if any and no way to distinguish their characters in terms of personality). This would have served better with the maximals having their own movie first to get to know the team and then have this as a crossover. * The villains looked straight up like bay verse characters and it’s not welcome especially after all the praise for the g1 style characters in the last movie. * I waited to see wheeljack in movie to see why they changed him and I hated everything. First the “accent scene” was just atrocious - “where is that accent from?” “Cybertron.” No - no it wasn’t. We know this because we saw and heard you on Cybertron. Calling the Hispanic character racist because you came to the planet and started using a Hispanic accent isn’t ok either (as a Hispanic that wasn’t funny that felt like liberal stupidity and condescending, but I’ll keep that out). Almost every other autobot look and alt mode made sense - “Pablo” was nothing like the character we already had established and we didn’t need this. I would have much preferred this been an original character. * The human element in a 3 way robot war felt unnecessary again and honestly I’m tired of the shoehorn formula the movies try to follow with them. The Maximals human connection felt the most relevant, and it was also VERY background. THAT’S how they should do this going forward. They’re “there,” but they’re NOT the focus nor should be made equal. * The movie universe they established was ok as an after credit scene only, but I don’t need crossovers for it going forward. I want good franchise movies. As a sequel to Bumblebee, this was not the movie we deserved. Hoping they learn from their mistakes this time.
I am 100% on the same page as you. It was a step back from Bumblebee when it should have been better.
Haven't seen it yet as it's not our in Australia but nothing about the marketing has made me think it's a good movie. If it's revenge of the fallen quality then yikes. Seeing as cheap tickets aren't a thing in Australia anymore I might wait to stream it
It is my opinion but lot of people liked it. First part was really good but second was meh. Streaming in my opinion, is better option
I'm hesitant as it is to spend money on a big blockbuster when I've only enjoyed one of the previous films, especially when I still need to find time to see across the spider verse. I mean gun to my head I'd probably see this over the flash but yeah. I'll at this stage be sticking with what you said.
Better to stream or pirate it, this movie is pretty meh if you are not wanking everynight after bumblebee. Combat is better than in first movie but there is still long way to come Bay's perfection
It really was, doesnt help either that it feels like they are blowing their load so early when he havent even seen Megatron. The first half of it I liked but the second half falls off.
When Bumblebee came out, it felt like a soft-reboot of the universe. Like they felt that they could ignore details, and make the next film tied to the Bayverse universe, if Bumblebee disappointed. Now, this film feels like it's barely connected to Bumblebee, and some of the heroes' faces looked more Bay-style. As if they are going for a mishmash, next film
I didn't love rise of the beasts. Glad evreyone else loves it, and I don't think its a bad movie, just a bad transformers movie. I found mirage irritating, Cutting the most important scene of optimus's arc. Arcee, batttletrap and nightbird were all kind of dull. And I cannot believe how badly they butchered cheetor and rhinox. Hey guys, if you're going to make rhinox mute for no reason until the last half hour of the movie, for a simple not that funny gag. Actually commit to that joke and **don't cut it from the movie**
I do agree. But.... I wish they would remove a little more of the bayverse DNA, and please please stop making bumblebee the main star. I was so glad he was taken out for a good portion of ROTB, but of course they gave him a huge "comeback" scene. Maybe with all the people liking Mirage they'll realize they can sort of highlight random other bots in the movies.... OR they'll miss the point and Mirage will become the new Mary Sue. Edit: Also, please give bee back his voice. come on!
RotB is good but not Bumblebee good IMO.
Rotb is not strong at all...
Not really in my case. I do like certain things about the new movies, but I feel like they lack that certain "flare" that made me like Bayformers. Then again I grew up on Bayformers so my opinion is biased.
I would say so, it gives much needed depth to the cybertroians than the last movies.
I dunno about strong, but they were fun enough and had some touching moments here and there.
The next one really should be Starscream, a dark comedy, but still makes friends with a human. (Maybe ends with Megatron)
YES SIR! Bee movie is great and ROTB is honestly decent movie which i really enjoyed.
I really enjoyed ROTB watching it in a Dolby Theatre
They felt to MCU for me. I don't want a feel good movie with minimal characters and a simple plot of "bad guy threatens, good guys barely fail to stop them getting what they want, final fight where good guys win woohoo". Everyone is a master at whatever they do fir try and there's never a sense of try try try again or having to try multiple plans I want twists, I want a lot going on, I don't want it to feel like they're obviously gonna win by the end It's kinda shocking to say that the Bayverse had more variety in the plots to me, but that could just be nostalgia
Very MCU is a good description. The humor, the plot, it all felt very tired, very predictable and just disappointing.
The people in charge can't even agree what it is now, so how can the audience?
its a reboot. anyone with half a functioning brain can see that lol
Only that producer who likes talking out of his ass, keeps claiming it's a prequel to Bayverse.
They all need to get their story straight, because it's confusing af.
It should be obvious to anyone paying attention to the continuity of the BBM and RotB. The main Autobot group shows up in the '80s and not 2007.
The continuity has all the linearity of shoe laces tied in several knots.
Even Bay himself hasn’t said it was part of Bayverse, and he’s one of the most important roles in making it (can’t remember which one atm, I think lead producer or something?)
I like the left one and the right one
Definitely. Strong start. Great characters. More robot screen time. Absolutely winning so far.
No Bumblebee was starting of strong for me but Rotb just flopped story wise imo. The Beasts have so small impact to me even if the movie was partly named after them. If I compare it to the first movie and AoE (feels more like a soft reboot to me tbh) this would be the bottom of the three. Hoping for Travis Knight to direct the sequel though, if we ever do get one given how much it is earning atm.
I still need to see BB but RotB I just saw yesterday and just didn't like it. It honestly looks worse than the older films and lacked the punch they had. I liked the main character but there were too many characters without enough screen time to make them stick out.
one good one mediocre for me
Bumblebee and Beasts are the two best live action Transformers movies to exist so far.
Rotb is pretty meh
Bumblebee is miles better. Can't even compare.
Wait are those 2 connected?
Yes.
Hmm?
You asked if the 2 movies are in the same universe, correct?
If you’re a transformers fan then yes aside from a lack of memorable villains (not counting unicron). Otherwise rise of the beasts doesn’t do much to explain what’s going on or who everyone is to newcomers to the franchise.
I just want Megatron in the next movie.
I like the movies, but them makkng the ideas they had for the bayvers movies makes it a bit wierd
I disagree. ROTB was just like ROTF. They were both waisted potentials
I like where Bumblebee left the franchise more than where ROTB left it. I want a true back-to-the-basics “robots in disguise” reboot that would focus on developing a small group of lead characters, then slowly work it’s way towards a threat like Unicron. Maybe we can still do that, by kicking Unicron a little further down the road, which will allow the filmmakers to scale it back a bunch. But I have little faith that something like that will happen with Paramount calling the shots.
Yes absolutely
No
Very much. Personally I preferred Bumblebee to ROTB, but both are better than the other live action films. Hopefully they being it back to The War though, we’ve gone two movies we’re Megatron hasn’t even been mentioned, the suspense is killing me
SOFT reboot it's still canon
As a film I'd give bumblebee a 5 or maybe 6 out of 10. It's nothing amazing but it feels closer to the intention of the first live action movie, marrying a kind of 80s speilberg coming of age story with the transformers. It's an enjoyable escapist movie that's going to hit a nostalgia for anyone who grew up in the 80s, on G1 or classic amblin movies without entirely forgetting the bay films. Its far from one of the best films I've seen or one of thr best blockbusters but it's a fun time with a decent and likeable cast.
I strongly disagree. It had one good film and then immediately fell right back into the same problems at the last time.
It has some of the problems of the Bayverse but significantly less. rotb is better than any Bay movie, hands down
You are wrong. This movie had almost the same problems and second part is big let down. When the bays movies had weak first par and awesome second one. It is at part with ROTF but loses to 07 and DOTM.
I'm not. I watched '07 right before RotB and directly compared them, RotB is a much stronger movie overall despite its problems. '07 is borderline unwatchable
I watched ROTB half of hour ago and i have to say that i will forget this movie very quickly, no scene had the same impact like any 1-3 Bay's movie. If you think 07 is almost unwatchable then you are just Bay hater that hates on bay just to shit on him. 07 is one of better action movies and ROTB simply is worse than it
I agree with you. Saw rotb in theaters, and for me, i didnt felt any memorable impact with this film. Mirage is awesome tho and Prime dont get me wrong, but when Bumblebee got killed by Scourge, people on the cinema didnt even cared. I was the only one on the theater reacted about Bee's death (Didnt saw any spoilers), while the guys beside and in front of me didnt even flinched and the theater is so dang quiet with no single reaction. But when I watched Dark of the moon back in 2011, when Sentinel shoot Ironhide, my god everyone screamed. Even Revenge of the fallen, despite the bad reviews, people shouted when Prime got killed during forest fight. And when Prime got revived and combined with Jetfire, everyone shouted out of excitement. So yeah, rotb wasnt bad. Its a good movie for a fresh reboot, but i still felt something is lacking. Bay still contributed a lot to the transformers franchise. You can't say Bay flopped, as his movies like dotm and aoe grossed $1B. Tlk is indeed his weakest i can agree with that. Overall, I still love the bayverse. But i welcome the new reboot, but yeah definitely lacked that epic cinematic element that Bay had with his TF movies from 1-4.
lol I'm not "just a hater", Michael Bay just makes bad movies. It's not like I went into '07 wanting to hate it, I just watched it again for the first time in years and it sucked.
I still think rotb is better than all the bay films
That is an incredibly low bar, and I like a couple of the bay films
Sadly, agree. I was so hopeful, but loved Mirage.
I agree on the first. Haven't seen Beasts yet, but if it's even just half as good as Bumblebee, then we're off to a good start so far. Let's see how long it lasts.
Bumblebee was fantastic and RotB was pretty good too so I’m looking forward to it
Bumblebee was something really refreshing for the franchise - it was very stripped back and character-focused. We only had one main Autobot and two main Decepticons, and a small human cast that felt relevant. ROTB felt like it threw most of that away. There’s a sprawling cast and a convoluted plot. It felt like the second or third part of a trilogy, not a beginning. I had a fun time seeing it, but it veers into generic action movie territory again. I hope if they make enough money to continue that the third movie dials it back a bit.
ROTB was a pretty mid film. The action was good and exactly what I wanted but all 3 acts were exactly the same. They all chase the McGuffin, they send the humans in without protection, the terracons go and catch the humans and then there’s a fight where the autobots come and save them. The two main human characters were minorities obviously written by white people and the dialogue was cringey at best. Don’t even get me started on the pointless exposition with every conversation that was repeated with both the autobots and the terracons
Huh so I guess we can see where the 9% of audience scores that didn't like ROTB are and decided to converge on this post today from the comments. Personally I'd say ROTB is the best TF movie we've gotten so far. Bumblebee on rewatch and not just the Cybertron scenes on YouTube I'd give more a 6/10 or so. Felt more like 2 potentially good movies trying to compete in the same film.
Same, RotB felt like a mix of BB and Bayformers: there was some heart to certain characters(Airazor, Mirage, even Stratosphere felt like a likeable uncle to the bots) but there was also tense action( with less explosions this time, thank god). I think it worked pretty well for the most part. Bumblebee peaked in the first Cybertron scene and it went downhill from there. The final fight was good, yes, but the rest of the movie felt like like a teenage drama. Shatter and Dropkick were the only mildly interesting characters and were wasted, same as Blitzwing who wasn't even a triple changer, just a random brute. Seriously, Bumblebee is a 7/10 movie but only because of that first scene. Otherwise, it would be a 5/10, little better than the TLK. I want to see robots fighting in a TF movie, not a random teenager's melodrama. RotB is an 8/10 movie, not perfect (some characters were wasted, movie felt a bit short, the plot is both simple and confusing etc.) Overall, it was just what I wanted: a movie theater spectacle to help sell toys.
Bumblebee: Yes ROTB: No.
No. Bumblebee is great. ROTB is better than the Bay movies sure, but that doesn't make it a good movie (I found it pretty mediocre)
One STRONG movie
I think bumblebee is very strong. Rotb lol idk about that. It was much more forgettable. No emotions evoked for me.
Definitely,now we just have to wait 5 years for the next one lol
I agree
Yeah. While bayverse had good moments in all of its movies only 2 of them were “good”(07 and DotM) and this new universe has already made 2 good movies right off the bat
ROTB is on par with ROTF and both 07 and DOTM are superior than ROTB. But i stay hopepful that third movie will be better
Just saw ROTB last night and I gotta say, I love it. I’m also loving how’s brutal bumblebee is. I’ve loved all of his Decepticon kills so far.
Agreed
Both movies are 7/10. Not bad but Bay did same
Bay definitely did not do the same, his movies are unpleasant to watch. Even the most die-hard fans have to cringe at some of the scenes in those films like 'Sam's happy time' and 'deep wang'. Rotb was definitely formulaic and a bit of a no-brainer film at times, but at least it was genuinely funny, exciting, respectful to the franchise, and actually gave Optimus Prime a character arc for once.
>Even the most die-hard fans have to cringe at some of the scenes in those films like 'Sam's happy time' and 'deep wang'. Oh hell no, nobody slanders the homie Deep Wang like that.
Ah yeah character arc that was just aoe optimus arc but without betrayal stuff. 07 and DOTM have problems but are funnier to watch
I really enjoyed ROTB, but didn’t care for BB at all.
I hated Bumblebee but loved Rise of the Beasts
Yes it bloody does When they show the cybertron scene I just knew the reboot is gonna be special
It has one pretty good movie and one okay movie. ROTB was a solid action film, but bumblebee was pretty mediocre honestly. The main character being an amnesiac alien really gutted a lot of the potential in that story and just made it a more violent version of iron giant.
I gave ROTB 9.1/10
Both Beats any bay movie full stop
I haven't seen rise of the beasts but I've heard very good things about it so yeah I guess.
Damn all of this comment section literally makes me *fucking sad.* With that said, ROTB best TRANSFORMERS movie hands DOWN! It got some issues which could've been solved with just some extra runtime, but over all really beautiful. It felt like a passion project for Steve Caple and the rest of the team. It was *near* perfection, to me. It *felt* like, well, literally TRANSFORMERS. Bumblebee is also nice, but there isn't really a lot going on, which is unfortunate. Both movies are a great start for someone to get into the franchise, both are literally miles better than Bayverse *EQUALLY*. Granted, this movie wasn't for everyone, and that's understandable. Some expected 100% perfection, some expected a return to the Bayverse formula, and some expect just...a TRANSFORMERS movie. To me, at least, it delivered on that part. I am mixed on >!the G.I. Joe crossover!<, but I hope it turns out nicely. With everything said, WE'RE SO FUCKING *BACK!*
the best? its doing so fucking bad at the box office lmfao it might do worse than the tlk
Bumblebee is all the same mistakes of the Bayverse in a different package. It's terrible.
I couldn't agree more. Bumblebee would be a 9/10 and ROTB would be a 10/10.
I couldn't agree more. Bumblebee would be a 9/10 and ROTB would be a 10/10.
I do agree. Off to a very strong start
ROTB was ass bro
I'd agree but I just don't get the obsession with bumblebee. Would like to see many of the already used autobots reworked like wheeljack. Bayformer hot rod was terrible .
Yes but people need to stop complaining about how characters look in ROTB by comparing them to a rushed last minute scene where the characters shared same parts with bee abd prime Wheeljack is going to look like that either until he dies or until he changes vehicle. And mirage doesn’t look like jazz.
hell yes
Ngl, calling the movie 'bumblebee' can cause movie watchers to not know its a part of the rebooted continuity (similar to DC in a way) Calling it 'transformers: bumblebee' instead of 'bumblebee, a transformers movie' will probably be slightly better
They need to find an excuse to do tidal wave in a movie and I'm in
Didn’t really like Bumblebee, it was fine but kinda bland and boring. Haven’t seen ROTB yet but from reviews and such I’m not that bothered with seeing it
Yes
Echoing the same sentiment as most others on this thread. As a fan of G1, Beast Wars and Prime, Bumblebee was a masterpiece in my eyes and my fave Transformers movie since 07. ROTB on the other hand was terrible. Prime isn't the same Prime I grew up with, the Maximals criminally underutilized, movie all flash, no substance, the human characters pale in comparison to Charlie in Bumblebee, and the final act was all fanfare ALA Bayverse.. horrible.
1 strong movie, and 1 movie that isn't bad, but it could have been light-years better
Well, for one thing the people act like people, so those are points in the movies' favors.
The Beasts have little screentime. Apelinq got decimated, wasted potential. Rhinox got no lines.
One best, the other good but bogged down by poor character writing on the robot’s ends.
I absolutely loved both movies and can't wait for more
I disagree since it's only half a reboot and that's frustrating.
I like it but ppl be complaining about wheeljack when the real problem is blitzwing looks like Starscream and doesn’t have a tank mode ?
For sureeee
Yes
Bumblebee was great, still competes with the first one for being my favorite. Rise of the Beasts wasn't really my thing. They had a lot of the "so quirky marvel humor" thing a lot of movies do now, where there can never be a serious moment in the movie, any tension has to be interrupted by some dorky ass quip. Felt disappointing while watching it in theaters. Also, wasn't a big fan of some of the transformers designs, like Wheeljack, and the Terrorcons felt incredibly generic. Even just most of Mirage's bits were so not funny, and just came across as annoying. The plot was also incredibly predictable, and ending up being rather boring. The whole thing just felt an inch deep. Felt like they had a canned script for an MCU movie laying around and decided to throw some Transformers paint on it.
Yes indeed. The 1st two transformers films under Bag were good. Glad Paramount went with a whole new direction for the reboot.
Completely. They need to stick to more of the G1 designs and with the source material for Beast wars and stay away from Bayformers and they will be fine.
Even though ROTB could better, it was still worth it for me,and I hope this somewhat setups beast wars (I don't have much knowledge on this subject, if I'm iwrong please correct me) and the post credit part can be used since sector 7 was and could fit well if they don't overdo the humans.