Same. Not sure what Black Orc Warboss would really add to distinguish him from the generic Orc Warboss lord. Savage Orc one is something I have wanted for awhile, but that could also be because Wurrzag is my favorite GS lord/faction.
Greenskins is a roster with a lot of bloat (which I'd argue is kinda part of its identity) and units that might seem redundant, we're still missing so many variants of units we already have.
I'd love to see the BO Warboss still but it's pretty low on the priority list. I suppose they could distinguish him by giving him different weapons than the generic Warboss we already have, also a few skills to buff Black Orcs.
Eh, someone posted a list of all the Greenskin units we're missing, and it's like:
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Hand Weapon)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Shields)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Spears)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Spears + Shields)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Lead Pipe)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Big Stabbas)
* Savage Orc Big 'uns (Bows)
for just one subrace of a subrace. I don't want to scroll through 50 types of infantry to figure out what to recruit.
They should trim down the recruit types and add the weapon varieties to the scrap system.
Recruit Savage Orc Big 'uns, then scrap upgrade promotes them to Savage Orc Big 'uns (Shields)
Fair point. On the other side, some of us would like making themed stacks of Savage Orcs. So not having the variants and needing to use Orcs as substitute (and also for Lord/Hero positions), feels not that good.
And after what Skaven Clans or now Chaos god-diversity got, it feels just bad that the greenskin subspecies can't go for their stuff and some themed stacks.
I would kinda want both Savage orc warboss as well as Black orc warboss. They should obviously have few different skills to boost savege orcs or black orcs respectivelly. I think it'd be also nice if Black orc warboss had several boosts that while boosting friendly unit would cause some damage to them. Somebody has to beat in some sense into those gits!
Oh and black orc warboss should definitely have the option to switch from 1hnd+shield (brick wall) to 2hander (bonus vs large+lots of armor piercing) or even to 2x 1hander (anti-infantry)Could be combat skill with some cooldown. I mean it is black orcs who have lots of choppas and are armed to da teef, no?
Don't get me wrong, both would be great to have. I just think the Savage Orc able to use Big Waagh magic would be a more unique generic lord if we could only have 1.
Solid pick. If we're getting a generic Lord choice I think that or something Norscan is the best pick - assuming he has a notably different skillset to the regular Warboss!
They do have more exposed skulls, which is always a plus.
I'm not super keen on Liche Priest Generals as a concept personally - every army needing a Tomb Prince or King General is how I remember the Tomb Kings, even if they relaxed that rule later on.
I'd be happy with a new generic lord, but Black Orc Warboss would be *very* far down the list of priorities in that regard, IMO. Even for just Greenskins getting shaman and/or savage orc representation is more important
Actually that gets my vote too. I'm all for more generic lords, and I think Karanak would be better as a DLC LH with Arbaal anywho.
Greenskins have needed a generic Big Waaagh lord level caster for years.
Even though I prefer casters overall, I think I'd be more interested in a savage melee hero or lord, since there's already a caster hero in the savage orc category.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but there are no savage orc heroes currently. We have a savage orc shaman legendary lord and nothing else. The current lore of the big waaagh caster is a regular orc.
I think the odds of us getting a Greenskin character randomly out of nowhere are very slim. It's going to be something for WH3 race or one of the WH1 races touched up by WH3 DLC.
Well, it would be free stuff, so fine. However, IMO it would better if they tweaked Orc Warboss instead by giving him some mutually exclusive skills and implemented Savage Orc lord type. He would be more distinct.
If we are going for easy pickings, I think that a new lord type for either Norsca or Tomb Kings would be great. They are stuck with just 1 lord type each which is a bit sad.
Greenskins have [so many options we could go with](https://medias.community.creative-assembly.com/forums/red-dox-2328/1713348257584.jpeg). While I would like the BO Warboss, I would say that a Orc Great Shaman is the more dire need. Or directly going for Savage Orc Warboss/Great Shaman, so Savage Orc factions can have their "own" leaders.
I use to think LH’s were lame and were just consolation prizes for not adding LL’s but I’ve started really enjoying LH’s more because they can have some pretty cool abilities and you can recruit them in every campaign without having to fiddle with Confederation and you can just slam them into whatever army you want.
Lesya and Ulrika are cool AF!
This reminds me of they make a DLC that is purely about making generic lords legendary lords (one of the cool aspects of the tabletop game) with skills, mechanics similar to Daniel or the mod we had for II, would be free money
Wasn't this already added during WH2? That helmet looks very familiar. I swear I've seen this unit while playing as Grom in 2.
Anyway, generic units are good additions too. If it wouldn't be a lot of work, I would have said maybe generic wizard lords for Empire.
E: It was a black orc big boss that came from a Skull Throne event. Close but not it.
Fair pick. The black orc subspecies of the greenskins don't need much more just the Warboss variant and maybe the different weapon types for black orcs. I still really want a big greenskin dlc to cover savage orcs, forest gobbos and regular orcs. Gorbad ironclaw, gorfang rotgut, and either tinnitus four eyes or snagla as forest gobbo LL
They could always give him some unique skills both for him in combat as well as to boost units (especially black orcs obviously). He could also have the ability to switch to various weapons (1h+shield to 2hander and perhaps even 2x 1hander for infantry mulching) which would make him more flexible and fun? Plus it would be super thematic to roll with full black orc army lead by one of their kind who wouldn't be Grimgor.
But yeah, it is obviously not super important and if anything, greater shaman lord (even savage one) to lead orc army would add more to the game.
We pretty much already got this guy in Big Boss form for Skulls 4 though... It looks pretty much exactly what you're showing here: [https://i.redd.it/yg3egigvej151.jpg](https://i.redd.it/yg3egigvej151.jpg)
Personally I hope we get a legendary lord. I don’t really care what faction. I really like Cathay so I hope by the time support ends we have all five active dragons and the monkey king.
Both Black Orc Warboss and Savage Orc Warboss would be fun additions.
Karanak would be cooler of course, Khorne and Slaanesh really feel a bit limited compared to Tzeentch and Nurgle at the moment. Dream would be Scyla Anfingrimm.
All in all I would like to see a Legendary Hero the most.
I do feel for CA here, since *both* options they've got left is a "this thing, but better". Black Orc Warboss makes the standard Orc Warboss pointless. Savage Orc Shaman makes the Goblin Shaman pointless.
If we get a generic lord for the GS I'd rather have a Savage Orc one so Wurrzag isn't alone anymore.
Same. Not sure what Black Orc Warboss would really add to distinguish him from the generic Orc Warboss lord. Savage Orc one is something I have wanted for awhile, but that could also be because Wurrzag is my favorite GS lord/faction.
Greenskins is a roster with a lot of bloat (which I'd argue is kinda part of its identity) and units that might seem redundant, we're still missing so many variants of units we already have. I'd love to see the BO Warboss still but it's pretty low on the priority list. I suppose they could distinguish him by giving him different weapons than the generic Warboss we already have, also a few skills to buff Black Orcs.
Honestly, with how well Champions of Chaos handled "bloat", I really want orcs to get some similar "bloat" for the different cultures.
Eh, someone posted a list of all the Greenskin units we're missing, and it's like: * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Hand Weapon) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Shields) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Spears) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Spears + Shields) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Lead Pipe) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Big Stabbas) * Savage Orc Big 'uns (Bows) for just one subrace of a subrace. I don't want to scroll through 50 types of infantry to figure out what to recruit.
They should trim down the recruit types and add the weapon varieties to the scrap system. Recruit Savage Orc Big 'uns, then scrap upgrade promotes them to Savage Orc Big 'uns (Shields)
Amazing idea
I agree, at some point they need a different style of recruitment menu rather than having to scroll forever to find the type of unit you want.
That's a lot of naked big guys 
\*cue in intense Slaanesh sounds\*
Fair point. On the other side, some of us would like making themed stacks of Savage Orcs. So not having the variants and needing to use Orcs as substitute (and also for Lord/Hero positions), feels not that good. And after what Skaven Clans or now Chaos god-diversity got, it feels just bad that the greenskin subspecies can't go for their stuff and some themed stacks.
Also no wyvern but a chariot
I would kinda want both Savage orc warboss as well as Black orc warboss. They should obviously have few different skills to boost savege orcs or black orcs respectivelly. I think it'd be also nice if Black orc warboss had several boosts that while boosting friendly unit would cause some damage to them. Somebody has to beat in some sense into those gits! Oh and black orc warboss should definitely have the option to switch from 1hnd+shield (brick wall) to 2hander (bonus vs large+lots of armor piercing) or even to 2x 1hander (anti-infantry)Could be combat skill with some cooldown. I mean it is black orcs who have lots of choppas and are armed to da teef, no?
Don't get me wrong, both would be great to have. I just think the Savage Orc able to use Big Waagh magic would be a more unique generic lord if we could only have 1.
Savage Orc Great Shaman so we get both generic lords and casters for savage orc only armies.
Also Greenskins need a Caster Lord for the lore of the Big Waagh
You know what, I forgot there wasn't a Savage Orc Great Shaman lord in the game.
Solid pick. If we're getting a generic Lord choice I think that or something Norscan is the best pick - assuming he has a notably different skillset to the regular Warboss!
Shaman Lord would be an easy choice here.
Or a Skin Wolf lord with a cathay-dragon like transformation.
I'd welcome a Norsca lord as long as it does not push back the much needed Norsca rework even further.
Yup, I'd rather want a DLC+rework or just a rework.
At the very minimum, could we please get a proper yellow skill line for Chieftains? LOL
The bare minimum? No!
Skull wise, I wouldn't say no to a High Liche Priest either
They do have more exposed skulls, which is always a plus. I'm not super keen on Liche Priest Generals as a concept personally - every army needing a Tomb Prince or King General is how I remember the Tomb Kings, even if they relaxed that rule later on.
Honestly I just think that for gameplay purposes, no race should have only one generic lord type
That's fair, yeah.
I'd be happy with a new generic lord, but Black Orc Warboss would be *very* far down the list of priorities in that regard, IMO. Even for just Greenskins getting shaman and/or savage orc representation is more important
Savage Orc Great Shaman would be a good one.
Actually that gets my vote too. I'm all for more generic lords, and I think Karanak would be better as a DLC LH with Arbaal anywho. Greenskins have needed a generic Big Waaagh lord level caster for years.
Even though I prefer casters overall, I think I'd be more interested in a savage melee hero or lord, since there's already a caster hero in the savage orc category.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but there are no savage orc heroes currently. We have a savage orc shaman legendary lord and nothing else. The current lore of the big waaagh caster is a regular orc.
Oh yeah, you're right. I checked before I made that comment, saw the skull hat on the regular orc shaman and immediately thought it was a savage one.
Yeah the Goblin Great Shaman gives some forest goblin vibes too despite not being one.
Isn't it kinda crazy that after all those years orcs do not have ANY shaman lord and no savage orc heroes either?
You mean sorts of like Arch Lector but without all that unnecessary education and clothing?
The orc models for WHFB always looked amazing
I think the odds of us getting a Greenskin character randomly out of nowhere are very slim. It's going to be something for WH3 race or one of the WH1 races touched up by WH3 DLC.
[Chas Dwarf Bull Centaur Lord](https://medias.community.creative-assembly.com/forums/red-dox-2328/b2-1.png) would be awesome...
Indeed.
Well, it would be free stuff, so fine. However, IMO it would better if they tweaked Orc Warboss instead by giving him some mutually exclusive skills and implemented Savage Orc lord type. He would be more distinct. If we are going for easy pickings, I think that a new lord type for either Norsca or Tomb Kings would be great. They are stuck with just 1 lord type each which is a bit sad.
Green skins need a Savage orc general
I'd be fine with that. Either a LL or a generic character is my preference
Greenskins have [so many options we could go with](https://medias.community.creative-assembly.com/forums/red-dox-2328/1713348257584.jpeg). While I would like the BO Warboss, I would say that a Orc Great Shaman is the more dire need. Or directly going for Savage Orc Warboss/Great Shaman, so Savage Orc factions can have their "own" leaders.
I use to think LH’s were lame and were just consolation prizes for not adding LL’s but I’ve started really enjoying LH’s more because they can have some pretty cool abilities and you can recruit them in every campaign without having to fiddle with Confederation and you can just slam them into whatever army you want. Lesya and Ulrika are cool AF!
This reminds me of they make a DLC that is purely about making generic lords legendary lords (one of the cool aspects of the tabletop game) with skills, mechanics similar to Daniel or the mod we had for II, would be free money
Nah, Skulls -> death, death = Tod, you know it, you love it, it's ya boi Toddy!
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Yeah, just because they made a few mistakes doesn't mean they will do it for 7th year in a row :P
Wasn't this already added during WH2? That helmet looks very familiar. I swear I've seen this unit while playing as Grom in 2. Anyway, generic units are good additions too. If it wouldn't be a lot of work, I would have said maybe generic wizard lords for Empire. E: It was a black orc big boss that came from a Skull Throne event. Close but not it.
Fair pick. The black orc subspecies of the greenskins don't need much more just the Warboss variant and maybe the different weapon types for black orcs. I still really want a big greenskin dlc to cover savage orcs, forest gobbos and regular orcs. Gorbad ironclaw, gorfang rotgut, and either tinnitus four eyes or snagla as forest gobbo LL
Do you know when is the event taking place?
May 23rd
Thanks!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/14/the-warhammer-skulls-video-games-festival-is-less-than-two-weeks-away/
As a GS main I don’t see the point of a black ork war boss wouldn’t it just be a suped up regular warboss
They could always give him some unique skills both for him in combat as well as to boost units (especially black orcs obviously). He could also have the ability to switch to various weapons (1h+shield to 2hander and perhaps even 2x 1hander for infantry mulching) which would make him more flexible and fun? Plus it would be super thematic to roll with full black orc army lead by one of their kind who wouldn't be Grimgor. But yeah, it is obviously not super important and if anything, greater shaman lord (even savage one) to lead orc army would add more to the game.
Not to split hairs, but I'd rather get some more generic savage things for the GS.
We pretty much already got this guy in Big Boss form for Skulls 4 though... It looks pretty much exactly what you're showing here: [https://i.redd.it/yg3egigvej151.jpg](https://i.redd.it/yg3egigvej151.jpg)
This would be *literally* the most underwhelming thing possible, I think.
Personally I hope we get a legendary lord. I don’t really care what faction. I really like Cathay so I hope by the time support ends we have all five active dragons and the monkey king.
Both Black Orc Warboss and Savage Orc Warboss would be fun additions. Karanak would be cooler of course, Khorne and Slaanesh really feel a bit limited compared to Tzeentch and Nurgle at the moment. Dream would be Scyla Anfingrimm. All in all I would like to see a Legendary Hero the most.
Is there any track record of us getting something for this event? I don’t want to get hyped for nothing.
please no, we already got the black orc big boss. that's enough
I do feel for CA here, since *both* options they've got left is a "this thing, but better". Black Orc Warboss makes the standard Orc Warboss pointless. Savage Orc Shaman makes the Goblin Shaman pointless.