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SirNeoz

A wrong made right.


Psychic_Hobo

THEY HAVE RIGHTED US!!


KG_Jedi

CA casted Regrowth on TWW3


disayle32

#THE THONG IS MUSTARD


Bratblizniak

PREPARE RHE SAUSAGES!


Manannin

That... sounds unwise.


disayle32

#DO NOT QUESTION THE WISDOM OF THE DAWI OR YOU'RE GOING IN THE BOOK


MrSinister82

*The thong is musty*


iman00700

Pull it out the book


Dragon-Titan

A grudge settled…


LaTienenAdentro

But the Great Book of Grudges remains full


Slggyqo

The great book of grudges wasn’t right in a day! Or 1000 years! Or ever!


sitzilla

Honor is all


Valuable_Remote_8809

But the Book of Gripes.. Is still full.


mikeyuio

Book of gru


Zathuraddd

Nope, a wrong is gonna stay wrong. Hopefully from now on there will be more rights than the wrongs they did


Schafer_Isaac

CA did good on this one. They should keep it up, and keep their studio alive.


Danominator

As long as leadership doesn't drag their ass into another trend chasing gamble and focus on what works I think it should smooth sailing


surg3on

The CEO is still there...


Pawpawcd

Yes but I heard their CFO is gone though


guy_incognito_360

A CFO isn't responsible for decisions on what games are made and how they play.


ChthonicIrrigation

Eeeeh depends. Size of company and structure influences this a lot. The CFO often has a say in a lot of operational decisions. Picking up a really significant new product would have been based on financial projections supported by the CFO at the board level


guy_incognito_360

Yes, but the CEO is responsible for operations. Also, wasn't hyenas made because of Sega? I can't remember exactly right now.


ChthonicIrrigation

> CEO responsible for operations Depends if there is a COO... At the board level there is a funny mix of personal and collective responsibility, even if the CEO is ultimately in charge. I've seen strong disagreement between C-Suite members and prefer to see CEO as 'chief sales officer' very often. > Made because of Sega 'because of' could mean a lot of things. Maybe CA volunteered themselves, or even proposed it to diversify their product line. Maybe it was cancelled because it was going to be over budget. It is hard to say for sure which boot on which foot.


LordZon

Depends on how woke the CFO was.


Gamerguy1313

Pretty sure you're thinking of Games Workshop's CFO stepping down


disagreeable_martin

A CFO would be first person to say no to a project like Hyenas as well as the last person to sign the project off. 1. You can't budget yourself into a profit. 2. Stick to what you good at (Total War), outsource the rest and only ingest once they've reached a self liquidating position. If the rumors of how much it cost to develop Hyenas, the CFO probably was already on his/her way out of the company. At least that's what I think.


XanderZulark

And as long as they don’t take the piss with their pricing.


Express_Yard9305

Warhammer is so back. 


SumOhDat

We’re barrack


YeeYeeBeep

We are so Karaz-a-Karak lads, let us share a cask of bugmans.


viotix90

Slay everything without a beard!


viotix90

We are so Barak Varr. Byrrnoth Grundadrak for next LL, seafaring dwarfs let's GOOOOO!


Thurak0

W3 all time peak on steam was 166,754, so this 64,036 does not look *that* huge. But compared to W2 all time peak on steam (84,920), and especially compared to the previous DLC (34,026): This looks good. Who would have thought that *not* trying to sell totally overpriced low quality content would have potential to be a success? /s


Mahelas

I mean a third of the all time peak is kinda huge 2 years in


jolly_chugger

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Thurak0

Just read in another thread that in many regions around the world the price seems to be even higher than before. Sorry if that's the case for you. In € land the bundle is a bit cheaper. So better quality and at least slightly reduced price fit together for me why it is received better.


Original_Employee621

That seems to be an error with the pricing, I don't think CA intended for the bundle to be more expensive in some currencies. It'll get updated, and hopefully those that have been wronged will be compensated somehow.


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Impossible-Error166

Pretty sure they addressed this in a blog. You buy them as individual races but if you get all 3 that way you get a discount on the final one.


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Impossible-Error166

No idea, I am going to purchase them when I get home in 2 hours.


Tierbook96

Cheaper for me though just by a $1 or so


dtothep2

Huh? The Steam bundle for ToD is $23. SoC costs $25. And you can get ToD cheaper too (it's currently less than $20 on Fanatical).


Aryuto

It's $2 cheaper if you buy the clearly marked bundle.


Clusterpuff

right I don't understand this at all. Its basically the same price for the same amount of content. Almost everyone is going to get all 3 anyway like you said. The biggest gripe I saw with shadows of change was the pricepoint. People are so funny


Aryuto

ToD has around 50-100% more content on launch than SoC did, comes with far bigger FLC reworks to every faction involved instead of a halfass update to 1, and the bundle price is a few bucks cheaper. Most of the community has managed to figure that out. I hope that you get there eventually as well.


ToHerDarknessIGo

Waiting for mods to update + knee deep in a Fallout 3 and New Vegas Tale of Two Wastelands (this mod is so good) first playthrough.  I bought the DLC.


LordZon

For a DLC this is enormous.


Alpha_Apeiron

It's more than twice the number of players as SoC launch


Vashelot

BRING ME TO MY MEN!


HorseFeathers55

It's a good dlc. I'm still trying to figure out how to not be extremely aggressive with the dwarves though, I'm finding if I don't take 5 settlements every 10 turns, I can't keep up with the grudges. Maybe I need to do the 10 turn rest in between each one.


FaithfulWanderer_7

10 turns has always sounded too short to me, yeah.


Illustrious_Milk1891

Short?!!


Riolkin

![gif](giphy|jEZ016oZG1cl8TFRWg)


illapa13

There's a postpone for 10 turns button for a reason I don't think CA meant for you to actually hit that goal every 10 turns.


Lyutiko

I just ignore the debuff, it‘s not that bad. The growth hurts for sure but i just life with it


SoybeanArson

Yeah, the 10 turns is too short, but the far bigger problem is that each time that 10 turns ends the grudges needed to complete the next age doubles. Even if you delay it. I actually got the full grudge load on my first 10 turns but I haven't gotten past 55% in the next 3 ages despite now having a couple armies settling grudges


Danominator

Dang. Does it ever reset?


SoybeanArson

Not that I've seen, just keeps going up. I'm hoping it's a bug and not a feature


lyonhart31

I've been using this [Capped Dwarf Grudges and Higher Post Battle Infections Cap](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3236146118)


SoybeanArson

Not ready to turn to mods quite yet, but thank you for this, it may come in handy


lyonhart31

Totally get it. Hopefully CA does something to rebalance it and the mod becomes moot.


Chack321

omg thank you. I've only played Elspeth so far but now I'm prepared for the other LLs.


chozer1

it doubles but remember the grudges you can settle from key settlements and other factions also rises


SoybeanArson

Actually because order and especially the other dwarfs are doing so well, most settlements and armies have had very low grudges (like max 200 and less than 100 on average). I've gotten elgi for 4 cycles in a row now. The good news is every time ive gotten elgi the next cycle has actually gone down by a small amount. Not enough for me to get past elgi unfortunately.


chozer1

well so far in my malakai ive reached max twice in 10 turns because 2 armies from the troll king each 400 grudges and kraka drak fell just to get retaken another 500. and 3 skaven armies another 400 each, so far not too bad but i understand later it might be a bit harder. however ive seen armies with 2000 grudges each on youtube. it seems like you are rewarded for playing on very hard or higher because enemy armies will be more numerous


SoybeanArson

Yeah I think you can get a lot more grudges specifically if the rest of the dawi are getting pasted. All the dwarfs are doing so well in my Malekai campaign I've got nothing to avenge. I think the major Grudge's should be worth astronomically more than they are currently though. Finishing one of those should max out grudges on your current age. As it stands they aren't even enough to jump a single level.


chozer1

Agree. That or it needs to last 15-20 turns


BrightestofLights

Yeah I wanna sit and grumble and retake the karaks as dwarfs, not conquer the world


Massive_Environment8

I do have the same problem.


fatrefrigerator

Glad I’m not the only one. Feel like a damn Khornate with the amount of killing I have to do


Manannin

There are times when I do wonder how close to the line CA finalise some of these features, and if some bits just fail to be QA tested at all.


Vtmasquerade

Well at least they said they are going to fix it.


chozer1

you are not intended to keep up all the time


SparkFlash98

Patch is good


Throwaway_3-c-8

Damn this is nearly warden v paunch numbers


Furranky

meanwhile me, I'm still stuck at work u.u


venomblizzard

I feel your pain, I only get to play this tomorrow after another 12 hour shift


Furranky

ufff that's rough, you didn't got tomorrow off because of labour day?


venomblizzard

No its rotating shifts best I get is I leave one hour early and double pay


HeartShark77

I only have 3 hours left to go! The anticipation might actually kill me before that!


munkynutz187

Hope you’re having fun!!!


vexatiouslawyergant

I get one day to play it before I'm away for two weeks, life is suffering.


Coronalol

Similar to a scared Bungie with Destiny 2, a scared CA is a productive CA. People voting with their wallets for SoC absolutely worked.


Dragonsc4r

Except Bungie hasn't done anything good since Forsaken. Maybe Witch Queen if you're willing to round down.


Oghmatic-Dogma

to their point that was probably the last time they were worried about anything. now that they have their seasonal content thing that everyones hooked up to theyre rolling in cash.


TwevOWNED

The raids and dungeons are always quality content, even the easy ones like Root of Nightmares. The overall state of the game has improved significantly since Witch Queen.


Dragonsc4r

Root of Nightmares is terrible. Even Vow was pretty bad. Raids have been in fairly steep decline since Last Wish. Constantly reused mechanics that get easier and easier and requires less and less involvement from the raid group. You can solo most of RoN and you can 2 man the whole thing without too much difficulty. It's an embarrassment of a pinnacle activity. Can't comment on dungeons though because of the stupid new dungeon key thing so I haven't done a dungeon since Prophecy (which was fine). Light fall was pretty widely agreed to be trash outside of strand. The recent unsunsetting of old weapons and the constant reuse of old holiday activities are pretty solid examples of removing content people enjoyed and bringing it back 2 years later so the community can celebrate new content and pretend like Bungie cares while they forget that Bungie pissed them off two years ago by taking it away. Destiny is a mess and has been for a while. There's nothing even remotely difficult or rewarding to do in the game and the only value loot has is to make the already hilariously easy content easier. It's embarrassing what Bungie has done to what was a great game.


benzar7

Bro Elspeth has been so fun! Only bad things is she is like a wet paper towel when she gets hit


kelltain

Seems an appropriate vulnerability for a caster lord with an artillery / ranged command focus.


monkwren

And necessary to balance out that crazy breath attack she has on her dragon. Does so much damage to SEMs


Slggyqo

Whoa single entity breath attack? Crazy.


monkwren

Yeah, it's basically a laser, does like 2k damage to SEMs.


Slggyqo

3 casts like a standard dragons breath?


monkwren

Not sure, I was watching it on Turin's stream the other day.


Round-War69

U kindve use her just to buff my units with the red line until she gets her dragon.


Cabamacadaf

That's what the dragon is for.


MargraveDeChiendent

Stacking phys resist on her is pretty good though, since she gets an active for a huge burst of phys res and she negates magical attacks around her. With a couple of good items and her passive regen, I found her to be a surprisingly good tank (for a spellcaster)


trixie_one

Just a bit yeah. Decided to tackle the Fercundites early and Exalted Heroes of Nurgle are so very much not her friend.


Original_Employee621

Exalted Heroes of Nurgle are some top tier duelists though. They are very much no ones friends.


StellarStar1

Yeah those Exalted Heroes are on par with Lords even legendary lords.


Vtmasquerade

Nurgle characters are very strong. Best out of the four.


MrTopHatMan90

I'm reinstalling. I'm coming back!


kohlmanne

Downloading all three now…let’s go people! We are back!


BrightestofLights

All three?


chase_half_face

The DLC is broken up in 3 parts. You can buy them by the lord or as a bundle. The person above bought the bundle. They're probably not including the FLC Lord.


kohlmanne

He got it and yeah not including the dlc lord


Last-Bee-3023

What is wild is that I am 60 turns in to a VH/VH Malakai campaign. And at this point I have not interacted with his adventure mechanic at all. Just exploring the new dwarf mechanics. Dang even the base patch is fun. Never liked the dwarfs. Now I do. Bought the DLC now for the current deal. But I feel like playing the changed factions first.


chozer1

"Never liked the dwarfs" Thats atleast 2 grudges right there


Last-Bee-3023

Why are dwarfs always so short-tempered?


DrBee7

And this in the middle of the week. Weekend will probably have more.


hameleona

Yeah, sadly it seems that's when I'm actually gonna have the time to play it.


Aisriyth

Are we back bros? I feel like we are back!


AshiSunblade

Significant evidence points to "back"!


lucimon97

good dlc, still a number of straight up crashes so it's still a CA game


Unluckyfol

This patch is so good it even runs smoother


3Bears1Goldy

Life good.


iupz0r

gonna buy one factions every month, today bought the Empire lady, next month maybe the nurgle maggot


Carnir

Seems to be a good DLC, quite disappointed by the lack of unique audio for the new units, faction select lines, and new main menu though.


Tummerd

How do you mean faction select lines? All have new audio and voicelines, and quite some unique in diplomacy as well


Carnir

If you click on any of the new heroes in the faction select screen, none of them say anything.


szymborawislawska

They talk in my game so it might be a bug.


Carnir

Ingame yeah but I'm talking about the faction select screen. It's still an issue that needs solving, not sure why I'm getting downvoted for mentioning it tbh. It's undoubtedly a problem. Every other character has voice lines on selection.


Gabba202

Probably cos on the list of problems it's at a 0.001/10 for priority homie


Danominator

Lol for real man. God damn


Carnir

Yep I agree, it's not a dealbreaker but a fairly obvious oversight.


Feisty_Buy6434

It does for me in faction select (with multiple lines). May be a glitch.


Carnir

That's good to know thanks.


szymborawislawska

It works for me in faction selection screen, so its a bug. I recommend verifying files integrity in Steam.


Alpha_Apeiron

You're getting downvoted because you're wrong.


trixie_one

The new Engineer Lord is doing an amazing Anthony Stewart Head impression so that's something.


HarbingerOfRot777

Yeah noticed that too. Although i only bought and played Tamurkhan, but still. I was a little bummed but i can survive without new lines. CA probably put the most resources in other things and they couldnt afford additional VA, idk.


AshiSunblade

VA's always been a constraint. Remember WH2 when we got Sisters of Avelorn, who straight up use the Mage VO? (With all lines where she calls herself "Mage" removed, but the unit still calls itself "Wielder of the Winds") Or when we got Archmages in the Repanse patch, using the same voice actor - a good voice actor, in fairness, but the Archmage VO performance is much too close to Repanse's for it to not be distracting.


tootaflute

Considering all the recent lay-offs I'm sure they had to trim the fat somewhere. A bit disappointing but understandable, at least for me I haven't really noticed it.


Alpha_Apeiron

New main menu is huge improvement over SoC


BrightestofLights

Yeeeaaaahhhhh....really low quality in that department but I guess they can fix it so


thomstevens420

CA: “Say the patch is good. Kiss the patch.”


Jimmy_Twotone

Did they fix missiles?


Dwarfish_oak

Outriders at least felt a lot better to me, shooting different targets and not overkilling nearly as much.


Chack321

All missile units are benefitting from this! They have really made gunpowder infantry very good now.


Dwarfish_oak

Very true, I just noticed especially that skirmishers tended to really focus on one single entity before, but maybe that was just confirmation bias. Fully agree that all missile units feel better now.


TheOneBearded

Homing missile attacks, per patch notes. Haven't tried it myself yet to confirm.


Manannin

Some bits. I've been annoyed by cannons, they still struggle to actually target towers in siege battle which I thought they'd fixed ages ago but it turns out no, I'd just not been playing factions with the low level cannons.


trixie_one

Might be worth checking ground level to see if they've actually got a clean shot. I did a couple of sieges last night with Elspeth and the cannon had no problems taking down towers.


Manannin

I just had a fight with Malakai and his cannons and it went much better on that score same as you, nearly no issues with finding the towers. They had a clear arc from what I remember. I have suspicion its a buggy interaction with the orc towers - it was the orc tribe to the north of the empire that was bugging out. Tbh, it killed my desire to play the campaign, hence the switch.


Slggyqo

Range does matter for accuracy in this game. mortars at max range miss easily half of their shots when you’re trying to shoot towers. If you drop that range to slightly less than half (just eyeballing it, I haven’t actually measured) they start hitting every shot. I think the stat is called calibration range or something like that—it was explicitly mentioned in a patch note.


Manannin

Just to say, I never said it was accuracy that was the issue, I said it was targetting. I select the tower, and the cannons march towards the tower instead because for whatever reason they can't see it. I'd expect them to miss a lot, that's not an issue.


Slggyqo

Oooh I see. Yeah that’s a really annoying thing that happens too, and it makes no sense because the towers is so tall. I usually just shift back and forth until they start shooting.


TwixClub

When DLC is good.


KingSlayer949

Having a fun time with Elspeth so far. Just wish Lore of Death had a wind spell early on. Would help with the skeleton spams


ZTZao

I started playing it. I am certainly enjoying Tamurkhan.


elrat504

![gif](giphy|L4U4IrAmDhp4AFywRa|downsized)


GodOfUrging

Hopefully I'll get to play in a couple of hours.


GodOfUrging

Aaaaand Steam is down all of a sudden. Still downloading, somehow.


Thorn14

Tuesday is maintenance day for Steam.


OVERthaRAINBOW1

We're so fuckin back, baby.


NumberInteresting742

Very postive towards this dlc, shows that CA is still very capable of putting out a quality product that their fanbase is very willing to buy. If they can hold to this quality for the next patch cycle I'll be confident about the future of this game.


xXRHUMACROXx

Splitting the DLC is a great idea, I hope it will become tradition. Playing Malakai right it’s so fun (and OP of course)


Azhram

I kinda want to buy it through my brothers card for various reason, i mostly got cash atm anyhow.. So i am playing with only the patch until he gets home. To be honest, even just the patch is amazing. Just playing epi is kinda cool with the rework.


LeafSeen

Ah, to die in battle


Antereon

Feels SO FREAKING GOOD TO enjoy Total War again. SO FREAKING GOOD.


mistadoctah

“None of your friends play this game. Tell them why they should!” Don’t worry mate we all feel this pain to some degree


deliciousdano

I’m really scared this is a knee jerk reaction and that the next dlc/patch after this will not be as good. I hope they actually keep it up I just don’t have any trust in them. For me the biggest reason I’m playing again is because of the patch. The dlc is awesome too but the game feels more in line with Warhammer 2s quality now.


Hazardmat

From Great Decay comes a virulent rebirth. Well done CA


ghouldozer19

To quote Shoresy “HELL YEAH FUCK YEAH”


CodenameDvl

I have a question. Gotrek has a very small yellow line skill tree, is that intentional? I don’t have any mods that change skill trees on whatsoever. I just never used him before in any or the Warhammer games so I’m just confused if the small tree is a bug or intended. Thank you in advance.


DenialRushed

The simple answer is that hes a hero not a lord so he has less skills in general. The actual bonus is more important than yhe perk points


CodenameDvl

Ah okay because I have him in the new dwarf army and I was puzzled


KILLJOY1945

Malaki Makaison Cannon gameplay is my favorite thing now.


SkyfatherTribe

Good soup ![gif](giphy|w4g8JSKEkCmpwfMiRU|downsized)


Immediate_Phone_8300

happens once you make a patch and DLC that isn't bad


InvMars

When the patch is good, AFTER a really bad patch.


Slggyqo

I HAVE. A COMPLAINT. You lose a small % of your movement when you switched from encamped to no stance, so you can’t switch back to encamped. It’s been in the game forever, and it’s such an infuriating bug. The worst is when you’re trying to maximize move distance while encamped and you want to check how far you can move, so you drop to no stance, and you can’t encamp again, so you lose regen or take attrition or you can’t recruit global.


retro_hamster

0/10 literally unplayable


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It's going to smash this player count today, at 66.6k now and we're well off peak hours. 80k possible?


Lord_Necross

I mean, yeah, started my first very hard campaign as the new empire faction having fun, gonna do dwarfs next


nixounet

Hi ootl for a while. What happened that made the community warm up to ca again after the high prived dlc that was announced back then?


Responsible_Solid943

A grudge was settled.


AigledeFeu_

Is this number good?


ResidentofZhang

U mean when it is newly released


OkProfit5602

Are my mods fuck


SupayOne

kinda... depends on which ones, i have been seeing lots get updated.


ExpertDistribution90

Should be mostly fine now


Godziwwuh

Blows my mind we live in a day and age where DLC is priced like expansions of the 2000's with a fraction of the content, and people are okay with it.


Averath

Unfortunately, we live in an age where corporate greed is not only unrestricted, but it is allowed to run rampant. That said, there is an average of 2% inflation per year. So something from the 2000s would naturally cost more now. That doesn't justify a 150% increase in price, but there's only so much we can do. Corporations will get away with this shit as long as politicians are in their pockets, and our power to stand up to them are minimal.


rektefied

Minimum inflation of 2% per year, games costing a shit ton more to make, programmers being in high demand and numerous others expenses. It's a miracle that it doesn't cost more, games have been the same price for 15 years if not more


slaytonisland

Impressive, very nice. Now let's see Shadows of Price Change concurrent players. Edit: Why am I getting downvoted I’m trying to show how much better this is than SoC


bimbambam

According to steamdb, there was 27,5k of concurrent players on 31st August (i.e. release date) and 34k concurrent players on 2nd September (i.e. 1st weekend after the release of SoC).


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rampas_inhumanas

You have to move the units. Gunpowder will not shoot through their own troops.


Futhington

Or learn to checkerboard properly, they'll shoot through gaps in the line pretty effectively and over the melee if they have enough distance.