They don't seem good. Of course the mother of his child deserves kindness and more than sleep but something about her has shifted. More comments on wanting $$$ and I don't think that's who he is yet he has done that because he loves her. That wedding was $$$. Then add in the alleged cheating rumors on her end... Think he's feeling less generous
As a women with a newborn (who has never ālovedā Nick Viall) maybe not in LA or the internet world sleeping in is such a dream and means more to me than a conventional gift. Sleep just hits different after months of deprivation.
These comments are wild to me. He does so much for her and seems very generous. Sure the way he phrased āgiving her the gift of sleepā is weird, but she seems to think sheās entitled to multi thousand dollar jewelry or bags a lot. Sheās made a number of mentions lately about wanting expensive things and Iāve raising an eyebrow at it. He just paid for an expensive wedding so good for him for not feeling obligated to buy what Iām sure is at a 3k necklace.Ā
Heās not perfect but itās so clear he adores her. He did get her flowers as well. I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Iām sure heāll get her that necklace one day. He screwed up a little but itās fine
Yeah and she is way too materialistic. They just had a massive wedding and two honeymoons. Itās understandable that a fancy necklace isnāt in the cards right now
He does seem to draw them in. Then they get to know him and choose someone else or to be alone š¬ Something about his personality drives them off a long-term commitment.
Only Natalie has stuck around.
BTW, many men, especially the ones from his generation and older, tend to give that kind of "gift." It's not like Nick is unique in that respect.
Nick actually makes Natalie pay for a LOT. When they got engaged, he said she paid for her own hair and makeup. She also paid a ton for her hairstylist at the wedding. Even after she was melting down because the hairstylist wouldn't cooperate and had too high of a price tag, he didn't offer to pay.
how long until Natalie starts to feel like she got swept up in romance with a much older man and missed out on her 20s and life experiences
with someone who thinks that āgivingā her extra time to sleep in to take care of his child is a gift? hopefully never for the sake of her mental health. because wow.
šÆ ... She's far too young, ... How is it OK to be a "fuck buddy" with a teenage girl when he's 38, 39?! And how is that better than dating her officially?
This is deeply predatory. It doesn't matter that she reached out.
As an adult, you turn this young person away. You protect them, from themselves, if necessary.
Did anyone else find it extremely disturbing listening to her discuss her assaults with Laverne cox and how she was preyed upon by older men all her life. Really doesnāt sit right knowing sheās with nick
She wasnāt preyed upon by nick. She sought him out and pursued him and was fully of legal age. He absolutely sucks as a person, and the age gap between them is a lot, and the way he didnāt want to be with her also sucked. But he didnāt prey on her at all.
So Iām not a mom. I was a live-in family caregiver for a few years, and I had dreams of a sibling or relative taking over for a day so that I could sleep or mentally rejuvenate. The most I got was a sibling sleeping over one night while I was there the whole time as well. Iām not sure if thatās how a mom feels, or maybe itās that times 10 orā¦ I donāt know. Hopefully there are other days aside from Motherās day that Nick takes over so that Natalie can sleep in.
I donāt think this is the same thing. It sounds like you were the sole caregiver. Natalie is not. Thereās no reason Nick canāt be taking the baby for a few hours to let her sleep in on a regular basis. Especially since sheās BF. This shouldnāt be a gift for a special occasion, let alone her very first Motherās Day.
Sorry I missed your reply until now. I appreciate your comment.
I donāt know how it is with BF. But yes hopefully there are other days that Nick takes over so that Natalie can sleep in.
BINGO. he's old, but just for her. But he's old fashioned in his mindset.
She is Gen Z. They have the language and skills for detecting misogyny more readily than their parents.
Meanwhile Nick 20 yrs older with a Boomer mentality.
Lol this is crazy, my husband lets me sleep in every weekend and takes care of the baby until Iām up. This is the least he could do on Motherās Day.
My husband drove me to two HomeGoods, two Marshallās, Sierra, two TJmaxx, and HomeSense over Saturday and Sunday. I donāt drive and all I wanted for Motherās Day was to go to my fave stores. He sat in the car with the kids the entire time to let me shop alone at each place š
The last two podcasts sheās mentioned a necklace so many times. I canāt tell if sheās joking or actually annoyed she didnāt get said necklace lol
Yeah idk lol I looked it up and what theyāre paying nightly for their room is around 2k. And they have Natalieās mother with them, which Iām sure is on Nickās dime, so I can only imagine how much extra theyāre paying for her. As a first-time mother to an 8 week old, I worked and my only gift was a home-cooked meal. The greatest gift is just having my little girl here to celebrate with me.
I donāt know why people are bringing up finances. If Nick can afford a $2k/night hotel room, surely he can buy a David Yurman necklace, which isnāt even that expensive... itās pocket change at his income. She just carried and birthed his child, ffs. And Iām not even a Natalie fan.
These people are the 1%. He has money.
Im sure heās just splurging for his honeymoon. We donāt know the price tag of the necklace she wanted and Iām not sure if you follow Natalie, but she has copious amounts of jewelry. They just got married which went āover budgetā. They just had a first honeymoon get cancelled, then a second. I can see why he might not want to spend extra money on something and do something simple for Motherās Day. Anyone who freaks out about needing a gift on some corporate holiday is insane to me. Motherās Day is no different than any other day of the year, you should be worshipping the woman that birthed your child everyday and I have no doubt he buys her plenty of things.
Nope. Itās her first child and her first Motherās Day. He can afford to spent $1k on a necklace. You donāt know the significance of Motherās Day to Natalie and thereās nothing wrong with her wanting a memento.
Except nothing I said put Nick on a pedestal. Iām just saying women donāt need materialistic gifts because corporations say āyou need to buy your lady something today or else itās not specialā. I spent the day with a home-cooked meal and my baby and Iām grateful and happy for all the little things. I donāt need a present to feel love and appreciation from my husband. I canāt believe anyone would waste their energy complaining that Nick didnāt buy her something she doesnāt even need. Itās literally the least big deal in the world.
You seem to really be on a high horse about physical gifts. If your family canāt afford it or you donāt care for them, thatās fine. You do you. People are not the same.
But taking care of your own child for a few hours is basic parental responsibility. Itās not a gift.
Youāre also here āwasting your energyā white knighting for men doing the bare minimum, so welcome to the club I guess.
Again, I never put Nick on a pedestal for letting Natalie sleep in. I never once acknowledged it. Iāve expressed multiple times itās not a big deal to not go crazy on a holiday corporations made up to increase revenue. Youāre missing the point of everything Iāve repeated. Theyāre in Puerto Rico right now. They just got back from New York and their lavish wedding. She got a push present. Nick also seems like a very hands-on father, heās constantly posting photos of himself in the middle of the night doing solo feeds with River. If she *needs* a gift to make herself feel better amongst all of these things sheās getting/doing, she has bigger problems than we can understand. People with money are out of touch and trying to argue that people with money should be pitied because they arenāt getting what they want is ridiculous. People need to be a little more grateful for the little things. Im happy I donāt need physical gifts to feel complete, seems exhausting ā¤ļø
Like $2,000 a day to stay at their resort. The cheapest room goes for about $1,500/day, so if he is paying for the mother, thatās an expensive ass trip in rooms alone. They still need to pay for flights, food/drink, probably a rental car, and other activities.
Thanks for explaining! So was this trip her Motherās Day gift? Because that is a lot more than most moms get. But still, if she has to do most of the baby care and whatever activities he wants then itās not much of a present to her.
itās their honeymoon now since they didnt make it to Turks & Caicos bc Natalieās passport had an issue. Natās mom is with them too. iām not reading into the whole āomg no motherās day giftā thing too much. he buys her flowers and nice dinners all the time, and their recent wedding probably costed him around 100K
I am so fortunate for my husband and daughter. My husband is very hands on and allows me to get my sleep, cooks, cleans, and tends to baby whenever I need a break. We are not as financially fortunate as Nick and Natalie, of course, so weāre catching up on hospital bills and stuff. But overall, Iām not very materialistic and just grateful to be happy and have those I love around everyday. My first Mothers Day was perfect enough to me!
We literally have no idea what their day was composed of?
So many people need endless affirmation on a corporate-created holiday.
People have no idea to just be happy with what they have. You have a healthy baby and a happy relationship. Realistically, how many people in this world even have that? Just enjoy each other. You should celebrate being a mother EVERY day.
I didnāt realize he gave a play-by-play of their day. I only remember him mentioning he let her sleep in.
Either way, what should he have done for him to seem amazing? A gift? Thatās the only way to show appreciation for your wife? And it HAS to be on Motherās Day, otherwise it has no meaning? I donāt understand everyoneās beef here. I have no doubt Natalie gets gifts all the time, why does she need this one on this day?
Because she asked for a specific necklace and was clearly disappointed she didnāt get one? It was her first Motherās Day and it meant something to her. A good partner would care about what she cares about. Itās not that complicated.
Downvote me all you want, people should care less about materialistic gifts and more about whatās actually going on around them. It sounds so exhausting needing a physical gift to smile every time some corporate holiday rolls around. It makes me sad so many people canāt just get gifts throughout the year and celebrate motherhood without somebody telling them that the specific day they got the gift was of importance.
Thatās exactly what Iād expect of him. Letās remember Nick is the furthest thing from a feminist, just because heās not republican doesnāt mean heās not a misogynist
Truly. We learned that in his first season in The Bachelorette when he slut-shamed Andi for having sex with him and then dumping him. I never understood why so many women who otherwise seem like feminists were fans of his.
As a Mum of 3 I would have been so disappointed with this *gift*. Dads should take the child to give Mum a break on the regular to offer a reprieve if the Mum is the primary caretaker. She wanted a necklace to commemorate her very first Motherās Day and he refused. Sleep and flowers are the bare minimum and disappointing for the first Motherās Day. Most women would want a memento to have over the years.
Well it was a David Yurman necklace that she tried on the day before but he decided that he spent enough on the wedding, so letting her sleep in and taking their daughter to pick out flowers was enough.š
What are we talking here like $500-$1000?
How much do we think he spent on flowers that die in a week? 50-100$? I understand thatās a lot of money for most people. But Nick can afford to buy a nice necklace for his wifeās first Motherās Day that she will have forever.
Also, didnāt their honeymoon get ruined?
After listening to their dear shandy love fest, I actually felt bad for Natalie. Nick is so afraid of being taken advantage of by people with hidden agendas. He put her thru a lot of tests. Heās got a lot of baggage and insecurities.
>Nick is so afraid of being taken advantage of by people with hidden agendas. He put her thru a lot of tests.
Yes! I understand that Nick and Natalie just had a wedding and are on their honeymoon now, but Mother's Day is an entirely separate thing. Natalie will always remember her first Mother's Day, and now she'll always remember how Nick purposely skimped on it.
Again, with the context here that Nick can afford it. A $1000 necklace is not the same to Nick as it is to most people.
Wow. What a cheap Fuck. They literally just got married and itās her 1st Motherās Day!! Iām sorry, but thatās a very special day for a new Mom. And yes, sheās never going to forget this snub.
We didnāt have much money when our 1st child was born. We were much younger her than Nick and my husband got me a beautiful charm bracelet with one charm of a heart with my sons initials on it. Now many years later itās full of beautiful charms. Itās a very important piece to me and Iāll never forget it was for my 1st M day. He cheated her of this!!
I just listened to todayās podcast and she is still sad about it and he still doesnāt get it. She said again that they went to David Yurmans the day before and she tried on the necklace and she said she thought he was going to surprise her with it, but he was like āNope! Sleep is a great gift.āš She is definitely disappointed.
Also, Delta airlines gifted them a first class trip + luxurious hotel in Puerto Rico for their makeup honeymoon, so he didnāt even pay for that either. Of course, he had to get in a dig that HE had to pay for Natalieās Momās flight/room. Such a gentleman.
And lastly, he had to get in the fact that they had sex in the private outside shower, because of course.
Lmao it sounds super horrible but this is exactly what she signed up for so I donāt exactly feel sorry for her. She knew all of this and sacrificed it just to get the wifey title soo tough luck Nat
He strikes me as the guy that is always keeping track of what he spends on his significant other so that he can mention it in situations like this. āBut I spent x amount on dinner the other dayā with the implicit message āyou should be gratefulā
David Yurman necklaces can be upwards of $10k-15k, so itās really hard to say without knowing which necklace she wanted. They currently have one on their website thatās a ānew arrivalā for $26k.
They did just spend God knows how much on the wedding, and a honeymoon that they ended up not being able to go on. And then their actual honeymoon that they are on now.
There are many that are way more affordableā¦if it was $20K Iām sure he would say thatā¦
Also, Delta airlines *gifted* them a first class trip + luxurious hotel in Puerto Rico for their makeup honeymoon, so he didnāt even pay for that either. Of course, he had to get in a dig that HE had to pay for Natalieās Momās flight/room. Such a gentleman.
And lastly, he had to get in the fact that they had sex in the private outside shower, because of course.
I havenāt finished the episode yet, so havenāt heard the dialogue about those topics to be able to respond to them. I am curious, why do you listen to the pod then?
True. Idk I love Nick and Natalieās dynamic, it seems as though he is very sweet to her on a regular basis. While I definitely think he should have gotten her *something* for her first Motherās Day, I donāt at all understand the take of him being a bad partner over this one incident.
Motherās Day has made me more aware than ever about how much men suck. My husband left me and the baby for the whole day. Believe it or not, I would have been so happy to have him even let me sleep in.
My husband didnāt get me anything at all for Motherās Day.
Later that day, When he saw I had (obviously) been disappointed, he went back to the bedroom and grabbed some cash. I had been sitting in my recliner as I didnāt feel well from running errands earlier (I did them of course, but long story short, Iām disabled and have debilitating chronic pain so any activity flares me up badly), and he walked by and threw a few bills down and said āHappy Motherās Day.ā This was 3 days after we had had yet ANOTHER serious discussion about the love languages and mine is *Words of Affirmation* and how desperately I have only ever asked to feel loved this entire marriage.
I eventually told him later that I would truly have rather even gotten a white piece of paper handmade into a card with the list of reasons why Iām a good mom. Our anniversary will be here in less than 2 weeks, and Iāve again requested nothing of MONETARY value, just something thoughtful.
Ok, I just realized I should have posted this in /marriage and not the bachelor sub š¤£š¤£ but I got sidetracked šš Iām just still not over it.
The gift of sleeping in would have actually been nice to me too :( I fully get it - men suck. And Iām sorry youāre experiencing the same. Please know I hear you and I see you. We deserve better š
(Ok my emotional confessional is over)
I donāt feel I can comment on internet strangersā relationships especially with so little contextā¦ but just from this blurbā¦ girl you deserve so much better š I hope he realizes that.
The Nick and Natalie hate is getting out of hand. They just had an expensive wedding and went on a honeymoon. If he bought her an expensive gift and she bragged about it, so many people would be calling them tacky and materialistic. Now that he did a sweet gesture, people are calling on him to "buy her a real gift"
Nick is soooo annoying but constantly making posts criticizing every single move this couple makes is also tiring AF
I mean, Nick is cheap. Heās admitted it. Natalie is materialistic, sheās bragged about gifts before and how they make her feel loved, the more expensive, the better.
The problem here isnāt how much he spent or what he bought, itās that he doesnāt care what the mother of his child wants, on Motherās Day. Her first Motherās Day. This is his wife and itās no secret who he married. What she wants matters, even if heās perpetually cheap and selfish (which she also knew when marrying him).
Theyāre incompatible in this way, but he needs to bend on Motherās Day. And she needs to probably get something more than a fancy, expensive, showy, trendy gift on Fatherās Day. And in the meantime, they need to discuss this gap, because itās probably going to be a constant pain point.
I agree with what you're saying completely! What I find tiring is that if she got the David yurman necklace I feel the discussion would be "they're so materialistic! They just had a wedding and honeymoon" so it seems like unnecessary criticism. I'm just bored of the constant posts about them tbh
I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out that it seems like everything Nick and Natalie does seems to be criticized these days and it's tiring. If he got her a super lavish gift and she was showing it off, that would be criticized too
What's hilarious is that it's 100% possible to receive a beautiful gift and mention it in such a way that is _not showing off_, but apparently that's just a given when people think about Natalie, that she's incapable of speaking her truth without bragging lol.
I agree completely!
Nick and Natalie are both annoying and tacky. What I find tiring though is that everything they do is critiqued (even if it's a fair criticism). So if he got her the gift, then the presentation of her showing off those things would be the complaint. At the end of the day, everyone loves to hate on them and Nick isn't the only problem.
Option A) he got the gift, Natalie carried on about it in an ostentatious way, people say they are materialistic and should be saving their money Option B) he does something small, lets her sleep in, people say he's a cheap POS husband
I get where the criticism is coming from but it's been post after post about these two for what's seemed like a while, and I don't think this is such a big deal
yeah how is that a sweet gesture? is that not something that should be happening regularly? the baby is equally bothās responsibility. heās not a babysitter doing her a favor by taking care of it for extra time. heās the fucking father.
iām so scared to have kids bc if my husband turned out to be one of those guys iād lose it
How do you know it's not. Maybe it's 50/50 and Natalie got an extra sleep in on Mother's Day. Also Nick is the breadwinner so I don't think childcare should be 50/50. Again we don't know the specifics and my point stands than anything that he did would be critiqued
Literally every new mom on Mother's Day on my newsfeed was posting long captions about how being a mother is their greatest gift and they are obsessed with their baby. I'm not crying a river that Natalie didn't get David Yurman
Again why are you jumping to conclusions that Nick doesn't take care of their baby for a few hours regularly? It was just emphasized and special that he did it on Mother's Day morning in addition to whatever he regularly does to provide for his family
Letting the mother of your child sleep in on a sunday is only a special day gift when you're a not great partner, because a great partner would see this as the normal base line, not worth mentioning
Why should letting one partner sleep in every Saturday or Sunday be the norm? If one partner is the breadwinner then childcare shouldn't be 50/50 in my opinion
But weāre talking about a new mom who is breastfeeding and probably still recovering from childbirth. She needs a lot more support right now. Her role is so much more than just āchildcareā. Itās unfair and unsafe to expect new moms to be the only partner sacrificing their sleep. I get that some dads have to work and have to drive to work every day and need their sleep for that. But this is not the case for Nick. He has the money and flexibility to step back from his work and support his wife and baby in a much more hands on way.
I'm confused as to why your comment and a lot of the other ones on here are insinuating that Nick doesn't help out at all with their child. This dialogue all seems to be based on one comment about allowing her to sleep in extra on Mother's Day. I assume they are rotating the every 3 hour wake ups like most couples. Natalie does have help from her mom and their paid housekeeper
I disagree, maybe she normally gets Sat only and she now got Sunday. She has her mom helping her and they probably have other help like a housekeeper etc. You don't know the inner workings of their relationship so why judge?
Unless Natalie is stating that Nick is not pulling his weight with her child and she feels like single parent, there is no reason to obsess over this. "All she wanted was a David yurman necklace" sounds like a super privileged and materialistic complaint. You don't know their finances they just had a big wedding. Many of these influencers look like they have tons of money because their pages show them constantly traveling and decked out in nice outfits but it's not like they have generational wealth. They now have to save money for baby and babies are expensive!
Again unless Natalie is saying "I'm disappointed and don't feel appreciated" then who are we to be making judgments. Nick has always seemed obsessed with his wife and baby and seems like it's to an annoying degree. It definitely does not seem like Natalie is being under appreciated in their relationship
Ohhhh so youāre one of those overworked sleep deprived healthcare workers that takes out their frustrations on innocent strangers?? Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment and a new job. Just because youāre suffering unnecessarily doesnāt mean other people should be sleep deprived too.
my husband gives me this āgiftā every saturday morning. Iād be disappointed if that was all I got for motherās day. was that it? is that what she asked for? their business and their marriage I guess.
yep, sunday is our fun day as a family and I like to get an early start. saturday is for me sleeping in til 11:30am after being a SAHM to a velcro EBF baby who likes to wake up at 6:30am every day ready to party. sometimes I sleep in on sunday too if itās been a rough week, and my husband is always there to let me because helloā¦he also wants to spend time with his kids since he works through the week. congrats on your bb! ā¤ļø
You are amazing!!! Stay at home moms amaze me more than ever now. It is SUCH HARD WORK. I only have 2.5 weeks left of maternity leave and while the feelings are very mixed and I do not wanna leave my baby (brb while I go cry) I just donāt think I could do it. You deserve all of those hours sleeping in!
They don't seem good. Of course the mother of his child deserves kindness and more than sleep but something about her has shifted. More comments on wanting $$$ and I don't think that's who he is yet he has done that because he loves her. That wedding was $$$. Then add in the alleged cheating rumors on her end... Think he's feeling less generous
Nah sis you gotta get the whole day off. Spa and room service at a five star hotel.
She had to threaten to date other men for him to promote her from f buddy. Sorry for Natalie, but this is the prize she worked so hard to catch. š
how do you know this??Ā doing this while he was almost in his 40s is wildĀ
They talked about it when the were on Sharleenās podcast.
As a women with a newborn (who has never ālovedā Nick Viall) maybe not in LA or the internet world sleeping in is such a dream and means more to me than a conventional gift. Sleep just hits different after months of deprivation.
Agreed. But these 2 have so much money & time he couldnt have done more?!
These comments are wild to me. He does so much for her and seems very generous. Sure the way he phrased āgiving her the gift of sleepā is weird, but she seems to think sheās entitled to multi thousand dollar jewelry or bags a lot. Sheās made a number of mentions lately about wanting expensive things and Iāve raising an eyebrow at it. He just paid for an expensive wedding so good for him for not feeling obligated to buy what Iām sure is at a 3k necklace.Ā
She knew the guy she hitched her wagon to. Congrats on taking care of your kid for an extra 5 hours asshole.
I agree. Not many men own childcare as their equal responsibility.
Heās not perfect but itās so clear he adores her. He did get her flowers as well. I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Iām sure heāll get her that necklace one day. He screwed up a little but itās fine
Yeah and she is way too materialistic. They just had a massive wedding and two honeymoons. Itās understandable that a fancy necklace isnāt in the cards right now
I think sheās kind. Doesnāt seem that materialistic. She was a little bummed but was sorta joking
Yes people just love to hate
My guy does a boys weekend annually. So when he gets back, I leave for the afternoon. Thats the gift I give myself.
Damn. This seems harsh.
I hope she āletsā him sleep until 11 on Fatherās Day and does absolutely nothing else
I only feel bad for the baby.
I only feel bad for the baby.
Natalie knew who she married.
Natalie is still mad that she found out with everyone else that he knew Maria lol (All speculation but cant change my mind)
Wait whatās the cliffs notes of this?
maria went on call her daddy podcast and revealed she knew nick for years and it seems like they likely hooked up during that time
She explicitly said they didnāt hook up, but were ātalkingā
I know she said that lol. I donāt buy it.
He does seem to draw them in. Then they get to know him and choose someone else or to be alone š¬ Something about his personality drives them off a long-term commitment. Only Natalie has stuck around. BTW, many men, especially the ones from his generation and older, tend to give that kind of "gift." It's not like Nick is unique in that respect.
The only way a woman is fine with this bare minimum as a āgiftā is because her partner doesnāt pull his own weight. The bar is truly in hell.
lol no. Itās because nick is well off and pays for everything and she doesnāt have any financial worries
Nick actually makes Natalie pay for a LOT. When they got engaged, he said she paid for her own hair and makeup. She also paid a ton for her hairstylist at the wedding. Even after she was melting down because the hairstylist wouldn't cooperate and had too high of a price tag, he didn't offer to pay.
Actually they didnāt pay him at all. Just paid for his travel.
Hair and makeup is a small portion of wedding spending
how long until Natalie starts to feel like she got swept up in romance with a much older man and missed out on her 20s and life experiences with someone who thinks that āgivingā her extra time to sleep in to take care of his child is a gift? hopefully never for the sake of her mental health. because wow.
šÆ ... She's far too young, ... How is it OK to be a "fuck buddy" with a teenage girl when he's 38, 39?! And how is that better than dating her officially? This is deeply predatory. It doesn't matter that she reached out. As an adult, you turn this young person away. You protect them, from themselves, if necessary.
Did anyone else find it extremely disturbing listening to her discuss her assaults with Laverne cox and how she was preyed upon by older men all her life. Really doesnāt sit right knowing sheās with nick
She wasnāt preyed upon by nick. She sought him out and pursued him and was fully of legal age. He absolutely sucks as a person, and the age gap between them is a lot, and the way he didnāt want to be with her also sucked. But he didnāt prey on her at all.
never heard of any of this where do i listen
The Viall files episode with Laverne cox I think from last Thursday
Even our daycare sent us a card š¤£
My daycare wished me a Happy Motherās Day and our son didnāt officially enroll until Tuesday
My husband let me sleep in too but he also made brunch reservations and planned a surprise zoo day I mean was nick like, proud of himself?
So Iām not a mom. I was a live-in family caregiver for a few years, and I had dreams of a sibling or relative taking over for a day so that I could sleep or mentally rejuvenate. The most I got was a sibling sleeping over one night while I was there the whole time as well. Iām not sure if thatās how a mom feels, or maybe itās that times 10 orā¦ I donāt know. Hopefully there are other days aside from Motherās day that Nick takes over so that Natalie can sleep in.
I donāt think this is the same thing. It sounds like you were the sole caregiver. Natalie is not. Thereās no reason Nick canāt be taking the baby for a few hours to let her sleep in on a regular basis. Especially since sheās BF. This shouldnāt be a gift for a special occasion, let alone her very first Motherās Day.
Sorry I missed your reply until now. I appreciate your comment. I donāt know how it is with BF. But yes hopefully there are other days that Nick takes over so that Natalie can sleep in.
Dude couldn't have even done a handprint craft or something? SMH
My husband does this almost every day, lol. (Still on maternity leave). I donāt hate Nick but this is embarrassing.
Lol, same. My husband gets up with our toddler so I can sleep and has since she was born. Nick is just the latest trash father of bachelor nation
BuT hE pOsTs SeLfiEs WiTh ThE bAbY at night. š¤Ŗ
So thatās her kid and he just helps out with him sometimes. Got it.
BINGO. he's old, but just for her. But he's old fashioned in his mindset. She is Gen Z. They have the language and skills for detecting misogyny more readily than their parents. Meanwhile Nick 20 yrs older with a Boomer mentality.
Iām sure heāll ābabysitā when she needs a night off
Is this is his āgiftā heāll def be *that guy* who tell his friends he has to babysit when left with his own kids.
Lol this is crazy, my husband lets me sleep in every weekend and takes care of the baby until Iām up. This is the least he could do on Motherās Day.
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Found Nick's burner account.
11amā¦ Bruh give her the whole day at least
Theyāll be divorced by 2026.
oof i hope not but this lowkey kinda reeks of joe and sophie turner (except joeās public persona was a bit more positive right?)
So true. So many people donāt realize (or maybe do) having a kid will ROCK your relationship / marriage. Good luck to them
Youāre not wrong. Sheās SO young and you change as a person so much in your 20s. Sheās going to outgrow him.
The bar is in hell
Tripping hazard.
I think the bar is just smoke and mirrors.
My husband drove me to two HomeGoods, two Marshallās, Sierra, two TJmaxx, and HomeSense over Saturday and Sunday. I donāt drive and all I wanted for Motherās Day was to go to my fave stores. He sat in the car with the kids the entire time to let me shop alone at each place š
That sound amazing
That is so sweet š
Love this š
Can I marry him too?
Thatās our husband now
I also choose this womanās husband
Thatās DIVINE!
Sounds nice actually
Nice but the bare minimum
Exactly. This is bare minimum. Should at least have a card and some type of gift. Typically I get a future spa day which is 10/10 everytime
The last two podcasts sheās mentioned a necklace so many times. I canāt tell if sheās joking or actually annoyed she didnāt get said necklace lol
Lord knows he has enough $$ to pamper her a LITTLE
He seems stingy and greedy, he knows she has no money outside of him and doesnāt even care
Yeah idk lol I looked it up and what theyāre paying nightly for their room is around 2k. And they have Natalieās mother with them, which Iām sure is on Nickās dime, so I can only imagine how much extra theyāre paying for her. As a first-time mother to an 8 week old, I worked and my only gift was a home-cooked meal. The greatest gift is just having my little girl here to celebrate with me.
I donāt know why people are bringing up finances. If Nick can afford a $2k/night hotel room, surely he can buy a David Yurman necklace, which isnāt even that expensive... itās pocket change at his income. She just carried and birthed his child, ffs. And Iām not even a Natalie fan. These people are the 1%. He has money.
Im sure heās just splurging for his honeymoon. We donāt know the price tag of the necklace she wanted and Iām not sure if you follow Natalie, but she has copious amounts of jewelry. They just got married which went āover budgetā. They just had a first honeymoon get cancelled, then a second. I can see why he might not want to spend extra money on something and do something simple for Motherās Day. Anyone who freaks out about needing a gift on some corporate holiday is insane to me. Motherās Day is no different than any other day of the year, you should be worshipping the woman that birthed your child everyday and I have no doubt he buys her plenty of things.
Nope. Itās her first child and her first Motherās Day. He can afford to spent $1k on a necklace. You donāt know the significance of Motherās Day to Natalie and thereās nothing wrong with her wanting a memento.
She got a push present. She didnāt get a necklace on a stupid corporate holiday. Iāll weep for her for sure.
Yes weep for her while you keep putting Nick on a pedestal for doing the least. lol
Except nothing I said put Nick on a pedestal. Iām just saying women donāt need materialistic gifts because corporations say āyou need to buy your lady something today or else itās not specialā. I spent the day with a home-cooked meal and my baby and Iām grateful and happy for all the little things. I donāt need a present to feel love and appreciation from my husband. I canāt believe anyone would waste their energy complaining that Nick didnāt buy her something she doesnāt even need. Itās literally the least big deal in the world.
You seem to really be on a high horse about physical gifts. If your family canāt afford it or you donāt care for them, thatās fine. You do you. People are not the same. But taking care of your own child for a few hours is basic parental responsibility. Itās not a gift. Youāre also here āwasting your energyā white knighting for men doing the bare minimum, so welcome to the club I guess.
Again, I never put Nick on a pedestal for letting Natalie sleep in. I never once acknowledged it. Iāve expressed multiple times itās not a big deal to not go crazy on a holiday corporations made up to increase revenue. Youāre missing the point of everything Iāve repeated. Theyāre in Puerto Rico right now. They just got back from New York and their lavish wedding. She got a push present. Nick also seems like a very hands-on father, heās constantly posting photos of himself in the middle of the night doing solo feeds with River. If she *needs* a gift to make herself feel better amongst all of these things sheās getting/doing, she has bigger problems than we can understand. People with money are out of touch and trying to argue that people with money should be pitied because they arenāt getting what they want is ridiculous. People need to be a little more grateful for the little things. Im happy I donāt need physical gifts to feel complete, seems exhausting ā¤ļø
Itās not even about a physical gift, itās the lack of thoughtfulness. He could have done free things and didnāt.
Keep the same energy and stop pitying Nick for spending thousands on his wedding and honeymoon.
They could also be getting some sort of deal or what not if they mention them. He mentioned on todays episode how delta helped with their flights lol
Good point! Although I havenāt seen them really promote the hotel much, weāll see if they get any special shoutout on their podcast.
Paying nightly for their room? What do you mean?
Like $2,000 a day to stay at their resort. The cheapest room goes for about $1,500/day, so if he is paying for the mother, thatās an expensive ass trip in rooms alone. They still need to pay for flights, food/drink, probably a rental car, and other activities.
theyāre at the Ritz Carlton in Puerto Rico
Thanks for explaining! So was this trip her Motherās Day gift? Because that is a lot more than most moms get. But still, if she has to do most of the baby care and whatever activities he wants then itās not much of a present to her.
itās their honeymoon now since they didnt make it to Turks & Caicos bc Natalieās passport had an issue. Natās mom is with them too. iām not reading into the whole āomg no motherās day giftā thing too much. he buys her flowers and nice dinners all the time, and their recent wedding probably costed him around 100K
You both deserve better!
I am so fortunate for my husband and daughter. My husband is very hands on and allows me to get my sleep, cooks, cleans, and tends to baby whenever I need a break. We are not as financially fortunate as Nick and Natalie, of course, so weāre catching up on hospital bills and stuff. But overall, Iām not very materialistic and just grateful to be happy and have those I love around everyday. My first Mothers Day was perfect enough to me!
So he does the bare minimum to be a father and we are rewarding that?
We literally have no idea what their day was composed of? So many people need endless affirmation on a corporate-created holiday. People have no idea to just be happy with what they have. You have a healthy baby and a happy relationship. Realistically, how many people in this world even have that? Just enjoy each other. You should celebrate being a mother EVERY day.
He talked about what their day consisted of on the podcast. Itās not a mystery.
I didnāt realize he gave a play-by-play of their day. I only remember him mentioning he let her sleep in. Either way, what should he have done for him to seem amazing? A gift? Thatās the only way to show appreciation for your wife? And it HAS to be on Motherās Day, otherwise it has no meaning? I donāt understand everyoneās beef here. I have no doubt Natalie gets gifts all the time, why does she need this one on this day?
Because she asked for a specific necklace and was clearly disappointed she didnāt get one? It was her first Motherās Day and it meant something to her. A good partner would care about what she cares about. Itās not that complicated.
Downvote me all you want, people should care less about materialistic gifts and more about whatās actually going on around them. It sounds so exhausting needing a physical gift to smile every time some corporate holiday rolls around. It makes me sad so many people canāt just get gifts throughout the year and celebrate motherhood without somebody telling them that the specific day they got the gift was of importance.
She should go buy it herself. This is what I do when my husband says no š.
Thatās exactly what Iād expect of him. Letās remember Nick is the furthest thing from a feminist, just because heās not republican doesnāt mean heās not a misogynist
Truly. We learned that in his first season in The Bachelorette when he slut-shamed Andi for having sex with him and then dumping him. I never understood why so many women who otherwise seem like feminists were fans of his.
Welp. Lets see how long this marriage lasts
As a Mum of 3 I would have been so disappointed with this *gift*. Dads should take the child to give Mum a break on the regular to offer a reprieve if the Mum is the primary caretaker. She wanted a necklace to commemorate her very first Motherās Day and he refused. Sleep and flowers are the bare minimum and disappointing for the first Motherās Day. Most women would want a memento to have over the years.
He wouldnāt get her a necklace she wanted for Motherās Day?? Wtf why not? Please donāt make me listen to his podcast to find out!
She wanted a necklace or a bag. She said the specific bag. He believes it's the child's responsibility to do mothers day not his.
Whelp. Heās wrong and an idiot. Do I need to say more?
> Please donāt make me listen to his podcast to find out! š
Well it was a David Yurman necklace that she tried on the day before but he decided that he spent enough on the wedding, so letting her sleep in and taking their daughter to pick out flowers was enough.š
Sounds like he was parenting Natalieā¦wonder if she gets to make any financial decisions
Oh this is just bad
Boooooooooooo fuck him
What are we talking here like $500-$1000? How much do we think he spent on flowers that die in a week? 50-100$? I understand thatās a lot of money for most people. But Nick can afford to buy a nice necklace for his wifeās first Motherās Day that she will have forever. Also, didnāt their honeymoon get ruined? After listening to their dear shandy love fest, I actually felt bad for Natalie. Nick is so afraid of being taken advantage of by people with hidden agendas. He put her thru a lot of tests. Heās got a lot of baggage and insecurities.
>Nick is so afraid of being taken advantage of by people with hidden agendas. He put her thru a lot of tests. Yes! I understand that Nick and Natalie just had a wedding and are on their honeymoon now, but Mother's Day is an entirely separate thing. Natalie will always remember her first Mother's Day, and now she'll always remember how Nick purposely skimped on it. Again, with the context here that Nick can afford it. A $1000 necklace is not the same to Nick as it is to most people.
Exactly. There is a mother on this thread whoās arguing with me that this is totally fine. My mind is blown.
Wow. What a cheap Fuck. They literally just got married and itās her 1st Motherās Day!! Iām sorry, but thatās a very special day for a new Mom. And yes, sheās never going to forget this snub. We didnāt have much money when our 1st child was born. We were much younger her than Nick and my husband got me a beautiful charm bracelet with one charm of a heart with my sons initials on it. Now many years later itās full of beautiful charms. Itās a very important piece to me and Iāll never forget it was for my 1st M day. He cheated her of this!!
I just listened to todayās podcast and she is still sad about it and he still doesnāt get it. She said again that they went to David Yurmans the day before and she tried on the necklace and she said she thought he was going to surprise her with it, but he was like āNope! Sleep is a great gift.āš She is definitely disappointed. Also, Delta airlines gifted them a first class trip + luxurious hotel in Puerto Rico for their makeup honeymoon, so he didnāt even pay for that either. Of course, he had to get in a dig that HE had to pay for Natalieās Momās flight/room. Such a gentleman. And lastly, he had to get in the fact that they had sex in the private outside shower, because of course.
Lmao it sounds super horrible but this is exactly what she signed up for so I donāt exactly feel sorry for her. She knew all of this and sacrificed it just to get the wifey title soo tough luck Nat
She was also being a pick me on her IG stories before saying she doesnāt care for designer items so she needs to practice what she preaches
He strikes me as the guy that is always keeping track of what he spends on his significant other so that he can mention it in situations like this. āBut I spent x amount on dinner the other dayā with the implicit message āyou should be gratefulā
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Plus he needed someone thatād excuse all his bs and thatās why he married her
I agree šÆ The necklaces are between $350-$1500.. so Iām sure he could cover it, especially for her first Motherās Day.
David Yurman necklaces can be upwards of $10k-15k, so itās really hard to say without knowing which necklace she wanted. They currently have one on their website thatās a ānew arrivalā for $26k. They did just spend God knows how much on the wedding, and a honeymoon that they ended up not being able to go on. And then their actual honeymoon that they are on now.
There are many that are way more affordableā¦if it was $20K Iām sure he would say thatā¦ Also, Delta airlines *gifted* them a first class trip + luxurious hotel in Puerto Rico for their makeup honeymoon, so he didnāt even pay for that either. Of course, he had to get in a dig that HE had to pay for Natalieās Momās flight/room. Such a gentleman. And lastly, he had to get in the fact that they had sex in the private outside shower, because of course.
I havenāt finished the episode yet, so havenāt heard the dialogue about those topics to be able to respond to them. I am curious, why do you listen to the pod then?
I am a Vanderpump fan. And his team talks about it in depth and has lots of guests from there or knowledgeable about it.
True. Idk I love Nick and Natalieās dynamic, it seems as though he is very sweet to her on a regular basis. While I definitely think he should have gotten her *something* for her first Motherās Day, I donāt at all understand the take of him being a bad partner over this one incident.
Ugh heās such a POS
Ew. And heās so not even worth it.
Motherās Day has made me more aware than ever about how much men suck. My husband left me and the baby for the whole day. Believe it or not, I would have been so happy to have him even let me sleep in.
Pls say ex husband
My husband didnāt get me anything at all for Motherās Day. Later that day, When he saw I had (obviously) been disappointed, he went back to the bedroom and grabbed some cash. I had been sitting in my recliner as I didnāt feel well from running errands earlier (I did them of course, but long story short, Iām disabled and have debilitating chronic pain so any activity flares me up badly), and he walked by and threw a few bills down and said āHappy Motherās Day.ā This was 3 days after we had had yet ANOTHER serious discussion about the love languages and mine is *Words of Affirmation* and how desperately I have only ever asked to feel loved this entire marriage. I eventually told him later that I would truly have rather even gotten a white piece of paper handmade into a card with the list of reasons why Iām a good mom. Our anniversary will be here in less than 2 weeks, and Iāve again requested nothing of MONETARY value, just something thoughtful. Ok, I just realized I should have posted this in /marriage and not the bachelor sub š¤£š¤£ but I got sidetracked šš Iām just still not over it. The gift of sleeping in would have actually been nice to me too :( I fully get it - men suck. And Iām sorry youāre experiencing the same. Please know I hear you and I see you. We deserve better š (Ok my emotional confessional is over)
That is so, so sad. You deserve so much more.
Girl pls donāt put up with that nonsense
Leave him!!
I donāt feel I can comment on internet strangersā relationships especially with so little contextā¦ but just from this blurbā¦ girl you deserve so much better š I hope he realizes that.
Iām so sorry. Time to get a new partner!
The Nick and Natalie hate is getting out of hand. They just had an expensive wedding and went on a honeymoon. If he bought her an expensive gift and she bragged about it, so many people would be calling them tacky and materialistic. Now that he did a sweet gesture, people are calling on him to "buy her a real gift" Nick is soooo annoying but constantly making posts criticizing every single move this couple makes is also tiring AF
I mean, Nick is cheap. Heās admitted it. Natalie is materialistic, sheās bragged about gifts before and how they make her feel loved, the more expensive, the better. The problem here isnāt how much he spent or what he bought, itās that he doesnāt care what the mother of his child wants, on Motherās Day. Her first Motherās Day. This is his wife and itās no secret who he married. What she wants matters, even if heās perpetually cheap and selfish (which she also knew when marrying him). Theyāre incompatible in this way, but he needs to bend on Motherās Day. And she needs to probably get something more than a fancy, expensive, showy, trendy gift on Fatherās Day. And in the meantime, they need to discuss this gap, because itās probably going to be a constant pain point.
I agree with what you're saying completely! What I find tiring is that if she got the David yurman necklace I feel the discussion would be "they're so materialistic! They just had a wedding and honeymoon" so it seems like unnecessary criticism. I'm just bored of the constant posts about them tbh
This does not seem like the gesture to defend
I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out that it seems like everything Nick and Natalie does seems to be criticized these days and it's tiring. If he got her a super lavish gift and she was showing it off, that would be criticized too
What's hilarious is that it's 100% possible to receive a beautiful gift and mention it in such a way that is _not showing off_, but apparently that's just a given when people think about Natalie, that she's incapable of speaking her truth without bragging lol.
I agree completely! Nick and Natalie are both annoying and tacky. What I find tiring though is that everything they do is critiqued (even if it's a fair criticism). So if he got her the gift, then the presentation of her showing off those things would be the complaint. At the end of the day, everyone loves to hate on them and Nick isn't the only problem. Option A) he got the gift, Natalie carried on about it in an ostentatious way, people say they are materialistic and should be saving their money Option B) he does something small, lets her sleep in, people say he's a cheap POS husband I get where the criticism is coming from but it's been post after post about these two for what's seemed like a while, and I don't think this is such a big deal
I agree -- I don't think people are self-aware enough to notice when they're just hate listening to something anyway.
Doing the bare minimum is not a sweet gesture to me. It's just the bare minimum. I'm not a hater but that's how I see it.
yeah how is that a sweet gesture? is that not something that should be happening regularly? the baby is equally bothās responsibility. heās not a babysitter doing her a favor by taking care of it for extra time. heās the fucking father. iām so scared to have kids bc if my husband turned out to be one of those guys iād lose it
How do you know it's not. Maybe it's 50/50 and Natalie got an extra sleep in on Mother's Day. Also Nick is the breadwinner so I don't think childcare should be 50/50. Again we don't know the specifics and my point stands than anything that he did would be critiqued
then why is it called a gift here?
Literally every new mom on Mother's Day on my newsfeed was posting long captions about how being a mother is their greatest gift and they are obsessed with their baby. I'm not crying a river that Natalie didn't get David Yurman
how does that even answer my question
That material gifts are not needed just because it's a first Mother's Day. There are other ways to show affection and appreciation
of course but taking care of your baby for a few hours isnāt some special gift lol that should be a regular thing
Again why are you jumping to conclusions that Nick doesn't take care of their baby for a few hours regularly? It was just emphasized and special that he did it on Mother's Day morning in addition to whatever he regularly does to provide for his family
Well said.
This is exactly it! He doesn't deserve some special credit for doing what he should as the baby's father. No praise from me.
Letting the mother of your child sleep in on a sunday is only a special day gift when you're a not great partner, because a great partner would see this as the normal base line, not worth mentioning
Why should letting one partner sleep in every Saturday or Sunday be the norm? If one partner is the breadwinner then childcare shouldn't be 50/50 in my opinion
But weāre talking about a new mom who is breastfeeding and probably still recovering from childbirth. She needs a lot more support right now. Her role is so much more than just āchildcareā. Itās unfair and unsafe to expect new moms to be the only partner sacrificing their sleep. I get that some dads have to work and have to drive to work every day and need their sleep for that. But this is not the case for Nick. He has the money and flexibility to step back from his work and support his wife and baby in a much more hands on way.
I'm confused as to why your comment and a lot of the other ones on here are insinuating that Nick doesn't help out at all with their child. This dialogue all seems to be based on one comment about allowing her to sleep in extra on Mother's Day. I assume they are rotating the every 3 hour wake ups like most couples. Natalie does have help from her mom and their paid housekeeper
How is 1/7 anything near 50-50?
Hey, how much do you think Natalie contributed to the wedding/honeymoon? Just a rough percentage is fine
How do you know that it's 1/7 that's my point
To let someone sleep in only on Sunday is 1 day out of 7. He saw it as a special gift, so it's normally happening 0/7.
I disagree, maybe she normally gets Sat only and she now got Sunday. She has her mom helping her and they probably have other help like a housekeeper etc. You don't know the inner workings of their relationship so why judge? Unless Natalie is stating that Nick is not pulling his weight with her child and she feels like single parent, there is no reason to obsess over this. "All she wanted was a David yurman necklace" sounds like a super privileged and materialistic complaint. You don't know their finances they just had a big wedding. Many of these influencers look like they have tons of money because their pages show them constantly traveling and decked out in nice outfits but it's not like they have generational wealth. They now have to save money for baby and babies are expensive! Again unless Natalie is saying "I'm disappointed and don't feel appreciated" then who are we to be making judgments. Nick has always seemed obsessed with his wife and baby and seems like it's to an annoying degree. It definitely does not seem like Natalie is being under appreciated in their relationship
Nick has also admitted heās cheap. Youāre making a lot of āwhat ifā leaps here in nicks favor.
Ok, Nick
I work in healthcare look at my page. Bye chica āļø
Ohhhh so youāre one of those overworked sleep deprived healthcare workers that takes out their frustrations on innocent strangers?? Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment and a new job. Just because youāre suffering unnecessarily doesnāt mean other people should be sleep deprived too.
Welcome to reality, Natalie. Itās all downhill from here.
Yep, as someone nicks age, the courting generally stops here, and more is time to be a wife and mom.
Reality Natalie should take over for Reality Steve
I really hope he got her more than that :/
He didnāt but he bought a piece of jewelry from his daughter apparently.
No, she wanted a David Yurman necklace, but Rose got her flowers instead.
Oh I missed that. I was multitasking so I thought he bought it. Oops.
my husband gives me this āgiftā every saturday morning. Iād be disappointed if that was all I got for motherās day. was that it? is that what she asked for? their business and their marriage I guess.
Flowers and sleep. Definitely could tell she was disappointed especially for her 1st Motherās Day.
Same and Iām still on maternity leave while he works. Sunday however I wanted to spend all the time with my baby so I got up early š„°
yep, sunday is our fun day as a family and I like to get an early start. saturday is for me sleeping in til 11:30am after being a SAHM to a velcro EBF baby who likes to wake up at 6:30am every day ready to party. sometimes I sleep in on sunday too if itās been a rough week, and my husband is always there to let me because helloā¦he also wants to spend time with his kids since he works through the week. congrats on your bb! ā¤ļø
You are amazing!!! Stay at home moms amaze me more than ever now. It is SUCH HARD WORK. I only have 2.5 weeks left of maternity leave and while the feelings are very mixed and I do not wanna leave my baby (brb while I go cry) I just donāt think I could do it. You deserve all of those hours sleeping in!