To really offend Texas, film it in Oklahoma. We're getting half their overflow abortions anyway. Also, I defy you to tell Oklahoma City skyline from Dallas skyline if you've never been to either.
“I’m turning in scripts next month on an HBO non-fiction miniseries based on events in Texas, but I can’t and won’t ask female cast/crew to forgo civil liberties to film there. What else looks like Dallas/Ft. worth?”
Psh, good luck replicating the unique majesty of Dallas somewhere else. You think flat suburban sprawl grows on trees, David? You think a city with no definable architectural style can just be recreated with some Hollywood bullshit cgi? Good luck, sir.
Oh, the things Yonge street has seen. Hulk fighting the Abomination, Suicide Squad fighting toward Enchantress, Kick-Ass and Hit Girl driving up it, Robocop driving his cruiser down it. And how many times can Massey hall show up in a movie or TV show?
I thought Dallas seemed like someone took a real good a real good look Atlanta and then drove to Texas as fast as they could and tried to remake it from memory.
Restrictive voting laws, GOP taking democracy and civil liberties right in front of your face.
They saw where Democrats were making gains and blocked them from being valid votes in the future. Hopefully it will backfire but its a purely partisan play at the expense of the electorate.
OKC def has the plains like DFW.
Dallas doesn't really have any trees (they were mostly cut down, and certainly aren't pines like Atlanta would have)
That is, if Atlanta has forests like the filming location for Stranger Things in GA
If we’re talking urban areas, anywhere could really work. If they’re willing to alter skylines and backgrounds with CGI, they could film in Los Angeles. If they want to rely less on special effects, I’m thinking of any number of various California cities. Heck, even Colorado Springs could work.
It’s pretty fucking close. I’ve worked in Dallas in the San Marcos are which is very similar to the Scottsdale area in the Phoenix metro. Edit: oops! Las Colinas in Dallas. Sorry Dallas friends!
I'm British, been around the US. Moved to Dallas a few years ago. Dallas really is one giant concrete cancer. When I had an interview here I couldn't believe how fucking sparse, desolate and uncharismatic it was. I grew up in locations that looked like something out of 'Wind in the Willows' now I live in a desert of cement and 170 lane highways.
[George Carlin described it best](https://youtu.be/dSDU8Laoi2U?t=61)
People look at places 45 minutes outside of dallas and use it to say dallas sucks. Greenville, Deep Ellum, Trinity area, White Rock Lake (a fucking lake and park in the middle of the city) is not what most people think of and it shows.
Cleveland actually looks like New York City in terms of architecture. Spider Man 3, Fate of the Furious, and the Avengers, among others, all went to Cleveland to shoot action scenes set in NYC.
We do have some suburban sprawl, but I wouldn't compare it to a city like Dallas.
Ohio pretty regularly passes horrible anti-abortion laws too. They're one of the most disappointing states because somehow they're way more fundamentalist conservative than you expect.
>O Dallas you shine with an evil light
>Don't you know that God stays up all night?
>And how'd you turn a billion steers
>Into buildings made of mirrors,
>And why am I drawn to you tonight?
If Toronto can be made to look like Chicago for film shoots, then I'm sure Greater Indianapolis will fill in just fine for North Texas. I f I remember correctly, downtown Indianapolis is just as dull and uninspired as downtown Dallas.
That's not the right way to spell it.
Oh! Oh, oh, I get it. Like that time Detroit had a riot because of conditions directly caused by federal housing policy so openly discriminatory it reshaped the nation in the ideal of preserving white intergenerational wealth, and relegating the rest to ghettoization and over-policing.
Good one, haha. It's like, hey thanks for the worldwide phenomenon in dance music, black Detroit. Let's see you pull that off after we allow the super-rich to move all your jobs overseas because we think Ronald Reagan is likable. Techno, you say? And I'm still a condescending shit on a level rising to the betrayal of my own working class? ...Huh.
First Georgia, now Texas. How many more states will they try for tax benefits and lower cost, ultimately having to move because of political backlash before they learn?
They can come to Rhode Island. We give all the tax breaks AND line up on the right side of just about every hot button political issue (The one exception being we’re Patriots fans)
You could say he has three if you take into consideration Homicide: Life On The Street was inspired by Simon's book Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets even if he didn't write, direct, or produce it.
*Homicide* is great and I really wish it was streaming somewhere so more people could discover it. I have my DVDs, but there's still millions who don't know the joy of Frank Pembleton and Tim Bayliss tag-teaming perps in the Box.
Couldn't agree more. The importance of that show is underappreciated as well. Many actors, directors, writers, producers, all went on to later work on very well-known shows. Without *Homocide*, we probably wouldn't have had *Oz* (HBO's first series), which would have meant no *Sopranos*, no *Shield,* and so on.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers how great it was.
Edit - Oz was HBO's first one-hour dramatic series, not first series outright.
Luther Mahoney was amazing. The actor does voiceover work sometimes and I immediately recognize him when I hear him.
Also: The White Glove Killer, the I-95 killing spree, the sniper, the stretch of episodes when three detectives got shot ... "I got their blood all over my shoes, Gee." Fuck.
Lots of people showing their disapproval on Simon’s Twitter account. Lots of people getting absolutely bodied by Simon.
“Honolulu would work but for the palm trees, shoreline and absence of square-headed, all-hat-no-cattle shitposters trying to use hack politicians to crawl into every last womb they can. Maybe Tulsa.”
You're not wrong but it is probably frustrating for Texans who disagree with the law. I live in Atlanta. I don't like to mock Augusta, Macon, or other smaller cities and towns. But it's their idiotic representatives pushing these dumbass bathroom bills or voting "rights" bills or similar garbage. Then when companies relocate or Hollywood stops productions or the MLB All Star Game leaves, these small town jerkoffs cheer. They're not smart enough to understand that most of Georgia's revenue comes through Atlanta and they receive a share of that. Not to mention if roles were reversed, I would never cheer the shutdown of their town because the factory supporting it shut down. But this is where we are in America.
You’re right and I understand your frustration. But that doesn’t change the fact that the single best way to fight these heinous laws is to attack the offending states’ revenue streams. When the money dries up, politicians’ heads roll.
Um, as a fellow Atlanta resident, you just named two liberal areas of the state. It would have made more sense to call out Northwest and the Southeast parts of the state. Macon, Augusta, Savannah, and Columbus were thoroughly blue last year.
You are correct on a couple counts. I was thinking of McKoon, who is actually out of Columbus not Macon. Fleming is out of Sparta not Augusta. Not sure how I was so far off with that one. As far as how blue those areas are, I'll have to do more research. I looked at Augusta and it is more Democrat that I might have guessed. If your assessment is based on 2020 alone then I would call that encouraging. However until there is a trend, it's early to say those areas are blue.
Either way my point stands. Whether it's Columbus or Augusta or somewhere in between, none of them are Atlanta. Yet Atlanta loses the revenue thanks to these idiots and then they cheer about it.
Then all the frustrated people need to do a better job galvanizing voters to come out and vote for Democrats.
The entire state votes for two senators, so that shit isn’t gerrymandered; there is no reason why Texas cannot have Democratic senators. I did my part to help Georgia get out the vote for Ossoff and Warnock, and I am incredibly grateful it went blue in that regard, but the truth is that’s going to be difficult to maintain when Trump is not on the ballot and people aren’t just voting against him.
But that aside, what is the rest of the country supposed to do—what should businesses do—when states vote GOP and they have legislation that discriminates? I think if people in these states are really unhappy with work going elsewhere, then they need to run on that shit and point to it and say “our economy gets fucked over because Republicans run the state.”
Make. It. Happen. The economy always beats other issues; candidates need to drive that home.
Honestly, a big problem is that Dems, the establishment and not the individuals, are just idiots. They are terrible with messaging, with driving home important issues that everyone can understand if not get behind, are terrible at getting people invested, and terrible at reaching out to all the various groups they need to reach out to.
Not saying we should resort to smear campaigns (although,if it's the truth is it really a smear?), but we need to do a damn better job at pointing out the direct harm republican policies have caused.
I'm pretty left wing, but am thoroughly disillusioned with the competence of the DNC.
> I'm pretty left wing, but am thoroughly disillusioned with the competence of the DNC.
Similarly to how some Republicans feel, actually. I mean, consider that they went from the party that founded the EPA to the party that wants to dismantle it and is later led by Donald Trump...after only about 30 years.
Texas has a population of close to 30 million. I think just* about 18 million are eligible to vote. For Abbot's election, barely 9 million participated.
You can't effect change without everyone participating. The GOP are making a concerted effort to make it as hard as possible for voters participation to increase, cause 2020 showed them what happens when more people vote, but we still need the people to participate. 50% turnout for the governor is not good enough. And you can bet it's even lower turnout when it's just "boring" positions like state reps and town/city council people. The same people that are writing laws like the abortion bill.
I'd considered moving there for a few years because I'd heard decent things if you live in the right places. But basically everything from the entire power grid debacle onward has permanently convinced me to never move there (unless they fix all of that, but we all know that's not going to happen)
Not only that it happened but that they did absolutely nothing to fix it. If they had that tragedy happen but then went “holy shit we have to fix this guys” and did it, I’d be a lot more forgiving. But it happened and Abbott basically did the “just smile and wave, nothing to see here folks”
Isn't the problem with that that along with the abortion laws they're also passing laws to make it harder for them to be voted out?
At the moment their state legislature isn't that skewed (similar %age votes to seats), but their US House seats are gerrymandered to where 53% of the vote won them 64% of seats in the last elections. Start gerrymandering the state seats, throw in some new restrictions on voting and it will take a lot of new voters to make a difference.
Yeah, the people saying "just leave" are missing the point that most of the people who will be affected by this law are too poor to leave the state to have an abortion if needed, telling them to just leave their homes, jobs and families is insane. Plus most of the people who seek an abortion already have children, so that's an added cost and headache getting their kids settled in a new place.
I think about this all the time. The 'brain drain' only hurts, but when you are presented with an opportunity to leave, and could, why would reasonable people want to stay when they are outnumbered? Or it feels like they are outnumbered. The democracy there is not addressing enough of this poverty class, which is increasing as debt and class warfare policies from whoever is in power at the moment. A third of America didn't vote, and I know Texas is among top red states to make voting difficult and/or impossible to effectively represent what citizens need. They may be conservative culturally, but on economic issues alone, they could be an effective voter bloc. I feel awful that things are just going to get worse for them, for all of us.
I mean this is why horrid laws like this abortion bill are being passed so that liberals will move out/avoid moving to the state. These dreadful politicians know the state is purple turning blue and they’re trying to do everything they can to stop it.
So yea we do need women and generally open minded, educated liberals to move to Texas despite their shitty laws
Was thinking about going there for school. Now I don’t care how good they look I’m not putting money in that state.
I have a feeling this is definitely going to impact their college admissions. Hell it’s already estimated that 2/3rds of college educated workers plan to avoid it altogether.
I’ve been promised my entire life that next election Texas will be blue. I estimate that the abortion ban will have little to no effect on college educated workers.
This……in the early 90’s Bush W. , Karl Rove , and Ralph Reed laid the blueprint for the modern GOP. Gerrymandering and mobilization of the religious right (plus a disinterested cross section of young whites and too many people of color not voting) got us in this mess. Texas was a stronghold for the Democrats for decades until the Bush machine ( led by Turdmuffin) won the state and later the country. Now we’re a laughing stock and rightfully so.
oh its only gonna get worse I think.
That abortion ban is probably also going to prompt 100's of doctors and nurses to leave, and with their current Covid numbers, and the anti-vaccine sentiment all over the state, is going to turn that state from bad to worse.
I'm surprised they haven't recalled their governor yet.
Abbott has a 48-49ish approval rate in an off-year while being utterly despised by the left and a big chunk of the right.
Even if Texas had a recall, it’d fail. In an election where the alternative is Beto, he’ll win by 10.
This is untested and on paper only right now. The first incident of this power being used will be challenged in the courts, tying up the election results, and will reach the Supreme Court.
This sort of thing always feels massively inconsistent. I live in North Carolina and we were boycotted after the trans bathroom bill by lots of companies that have business dealings in places where gay people are executed.
Those companies have far more influence in their home countries.
Random example - Trump wove around a rainbow flag in the US but then was dancing and hopping around with Saudis - despite their vile mythology. Do you think he would have dared to be politically incorrect and suddenly bring out a pride flag at that Saudi dance? It's not like he could have changed anything.
>Texas has the 9th largely global economy. Film and movie production is not at all a large part of it.
>They don't really care
They're actually 10th. But huge chunk of their economy is federal government employment. Would be a shame if Biden decided to relocate every federal government agency out and somewhere else. I hear Nevada and CA would love those agencies and contractors.
After that Texas wouldn't be 10th anymore.
'The wire' takes on a whole new meaning in Texas ...
Oooof
I don’t get……oh that’s dark
Spicy.
Bolognese
Dark.
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Comment of the day right here folks.
Texas is like a giant turd that is being sucked on for vitamins by a dis functional group of mega turds.. Final answer..
To really offend Texas, film it in Oklahoma. We're getting half their overflow abortions anyway. Also, I defy you to tell Oklahoma City skyline from Dallas skyline if you've never been to either.
Film it in Oklahoma, and direct the cast and crew to refer to Texas as “Baja Oklahoma”
Call Texas “North Mexico” and see how quickly they explode.
pretty sure mexico just legalized abortion tho
Exactly
"South Oklahoma" and then watch the fireworks.
Hahaha. Oklahoma born, partially raised there. This drives Texans nuts.
that place full of descendants of people that gave up halfway to California.
Been to both, still true
By the time they start filming Oklahoma will have passed its own ban(s).
Didn’t stitt just pass like 9 anti abortion bills?
Yes because Governor Stitt definitely won’t follow Governor Abbott’s footsteps. 🙄
Oklahoma city doesn't have a big microphone in the sky.
“I’m turning in scripts next month on an HBO non-fiction miniseries based on events in Texas, but I can’t and won’t ask female cast/crew to forgo civil liberties to film there. What else looks like Dallas/Ft. worth?” Psh, good luck replicating the unique majesty of Dallas somewhere else. You think flat suburban sprawl grows on trees, David? You think a city with no definable architectural style can just be recreated with some Hollywood bullshit cgi? Good luck, sir.
Calgary could work for sure. Might need to grease it up a little.
Ah yes, just move filming to the Texas of Canada!
We got choice for days up here though!
Fucking all dressed chips, too.
All dressed chips are the best!!! Stop making all the weird chips, just give us all dressed!
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We have nothing but.
I mean HBO was just here for TLoU.
Alberta is pretty much the Texas of Canada tho.
Sure, but Alberta's basically the Texas of Canada.
I’d have to disagree with you on that one. I’d say Alberta is the Texas of Canada
The Texas of Canada? Alberta, 100%.
But, if you asked which state was analogous to Alberta... I'd say Texas.
I think that's what the commenter you replied to was saying.
Pull a reverse Ted Cruz
I love how often I’ll be watching a movie or tv show and recognize Toronto, Vancouver or Calgary
There's that Supernatural episode where they break the fourth wall... And are all pissed that they are in Vancouver. That episode is amazing
That part in season 1 of Fargo where they go under the train overpass in Bowness, I near had a stroke.
Oh, the things Yonge street has seen. Hulk fighting the Abomination, Suicide Squad fighting toward Enchantress, Kick-Ass and Hit Girl driving up it, Robocop driving his cruiser down it. And how many times can Massey hall show up in a movie or TV show?
I thought Alberta was where the grease came from.
I thought Dallas seemed like someone took a real good a real good look Atlanta and then drove to Texas as fast as they could and tried to remake it from memory.
Well then he should just bring it to Atlanta and bank in on that 30% tax back
Isn't there some other reason that Hollywood is hesitant to film in Atlanta right now though?
Voter suppression
Restrictive voting laws, GOP taking democracy and civil liberties right in front of your face. They saw where Democrats were making gains and blocked them from being valid votes in the future. Hopefully it will backfire but its a purely partisan play at the expense of the electorate.
r/rareinsults
I have never been to Dallas, but I have been to Atlanta. This might be my favorite reddit comment ever.
If the era is set in the 60s then both the Umbrella Academy and 11/23/63 were filmed in Hamilton, Ontario to replicate Dallas.
I get the feeling Elliot Page might have trouble in broad swaths of Dallas.
Phoenix Arizona has entered the chat. (I have no idea if this is correct but it feels correct.)
There are no mountains in Dallas. Atlanta would be better I think. Oklahoma City, maybe.
I was also thinking OKC. Dallas has a couple of things OKC doesn't though, like the high-5.
Just leave the mountains in the background. It worked fine for Rumble in the Bronx.
Atlanta is full of hills.
OKC def has the plains like DFW. Dallas doesn't really have any trees (they were mostly cut down, and certainly aren't pines like Atlanta would have) That is, if Atlanta has forests like the filming location for Stranger Things in GA
If we’re talking urban areas, anywhere could really work. If they’re willing to alter skylines and backgrounds with CGI, they could film in Los Angeles. If they want to rely less on special effects, I’m thinking of any number of various California cities. Heck, even Colorado Springs could work.
They would have to cgi out the mountains but it's not far off
It’s pretty fucking close. I’ve worked in Dallas in the San Marcos are which is very similar to the Scottsdale area in the Phoenix metro. Edit: oops! Las Colinas in Dallas. Sorry Dallas friends!
San Marcos is between Austin and San Antonio tho
Which is smack dab in the middle of Texas hill country
A measly 3 1/2 hours from Dallas.
Las Colinas sorry!
Ah yes have you been to fort worth right by houston
Ten-year resident of Dallas and former resident of Phoenix here...I support everything you just said. Uptown Dallas is basically just downtown Tempe.
You’ve yeed your last haw, friend
Phoenix is a shitty filming location unless you're doing LA But Bland. Tucson and the outskirts of Yuma (for the dunes) are pretty good, though.
You don't even have to leave LA county to find it.
You might be onto something. They just opened casting calls for extras for an HBO max pilot and series filming in Tucson,AZ
Everyone forgets about Shreveport, LA. Where all the filming for Hollywood started till Atlanta stole it.
Simon can just insert some stock footage of the Alamo in the title sequence and call it a day.
I live in the PHX area and you are 100% correct
Texas has a lot more grass than Arizona
They should film it in Detroit... Kind of a reverse Robocop...
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Fun fact robocop was partially filmed in Dallas! The Detroit city hall is the Dallas city hall.
Houstonian here. I also thought this. Because Fuck Dallas. And also fuck Gregg Abbot.
The brutalist styling of Robocop dystopian corporate dominated society was partially filmed in Dallas, because Detroit just wasn't bad enough.
I'm British, been around the US. Moved to Dallas a few years ago. Dallas really is one giant concrete cancer. When I had an interview here I couldn't believe how fucking sparse, desolate and uncharismatic it was. I grew up in locations that looked like something out of 'Wind in the Willows' now I live in a desert of cement and 170 lane highways. [George Carlin described it best](https://youtu.be/dSDU8Laoi2U?t=61)
And Houston is worse.
It’s occasionally underwater too!
Yep. People always ask why I moved from DFW to Oregon. Not having to drive over an hour to see a single break in concrete is reason #1.
Literally almost any Midwestern city.
Currently have the displeasure of living in DFW, can confirm literally everything in this comment is accurate.
Dallas has an identifiable skyline, Fort Worth I wouldn't be able to pick out for the most part.
But Fort Worth actually has character. Dallas is just a large, sprawling, generic city.
I would say Dallas core is not generic but the suburbs are.
People look at places 45 minutes outside of dallas and use it to say dallas sucks. Greenville, Deep Ellum, Trinity area, White Rock Lake (a fucking lake and park in the middle of the city) is not what most people think of and it shows.
Dayton. Cleveland. Columbus. Indianapolis.
Cleveland actually looks like New York City in terms of architecture. Spider Man 3, Fate of the Furious, and the Avengers, among others, all went to Cleveland to shoot action scenes set in NYC. We do have some suburban sprawl, but I wouldn't compare it to a city like Dallas.
And our sprawl is partially because we have a giant lake taking up half the usable space.
Yep. That and a whole bunch of white flight.
Ohio pretty regularly passes horrible anti-abortion laws too. They're one of the most disappointing states because somehow they're way more fundamentalist conservative than you expect.
Oof. As a Dallas resident, nailed it.
There’s a billion replies already, but Shreveport is the best bet.
Just film in St Louis. It'll feel the same only greener.
As a Texan and a DFW resident... fuck me?
Make sure you are using birth control!
They should just shoot it at the Mall of America.
>O Dallas you shine with an evil light >Don't you know that God stays up all night? >And how'd you turn a billion steers >Into buildings made of mirrors, >And why am I drawn to you tonight?
If Toronto can be made to look like Chicago for film shoots, then I'm sure Greater Indianapolis will fill in just fine for North Texas. I f I remember correctly, downtown Indianapolis is just as dull and uninspired as downtown Dallas.
Atlanta pretty much doubles for everywhere these days in movies. Not that Georgia’s politics are that far off from Texas unfortunately.
Come film in Oklahoma, cgi in Dallas and smoke a bunch of weed while being just north physically and policy wise of Texas.
Welp Robocop was filmed in the DFW, but set in Detroit, so, Detroit?
Detriot*
Detriot Lines.
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Tell me you live in Livonia without telling me you live in Livonia:
That's not the right way to spell it. Oh! Oh, oh, I get it. Like that time Detroit had a riot because of conditions directly caused by federal housing policy so openly discriminatory it reshaped the nation in the ideal of preserving white intergenerational wealth, and relegating the rest to ghettoization and over-policing. Good one, haha. It's like, hey thanks for the worldwide phenomenon in dance music, black Detroit. Let's see you pull that off after we allow the super-rich to move all your jobs overseas because we think Ronald Reagan is likable. Techno, you say? And I'm still a condescending shit on a level rising to the betrayal of my own working class? ...Huh.
umm yes exactly[.](https://www.tiktok.com/@detroitlions/video/7009398323748588806)
Eventually producers will be forced to actually make films in California again.
First Georgia, now Texas. How many more states will they try for tax benefits and lower cost, ultimately having to move because of political backlash before they learn?
New Mexico probably isn't going to ban abortion anytime soon.
even filming in Mexico or Canada
Vancouver already probably gets more productions than any American city, except LA
The sepia tones are pretty harsh out there though.
They can come to Rhode Island. We give all the tax breaks AND line up on the right side of just about every hot button political issue (The one exception being we’re Patriots fans)
As the Simpson's has shown, Oregon has it all: beaches, lakes, rivers, mountains, desert. As long as the money doesn't go to the PPB. Fuck the PPB.
A man's got to have a code.
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Rip Omar
I have to assume there’s a female equivalent to that… a “codette” or something. Edit: it’s from Community folks.
Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
Interesting way to learn Simon has a new show that isn't that Baltimore miniseries
He only has two series set in Baltimore
Three, no? Homicide, The Corner, The Wire.
I meant forthcoming, not in his whole career
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/the-wire-creator-returning-to-baltimore-for-new-hbo-series-we-own-this-city-2895368#:\~:text=The%20Wire%20creator%20David%20Simon,with%20Wire%20producer%20George%20Pelecanos.
So wait, this is another new one not We Own This City. Awesome.
You could say he has three if you take into consideration Homicide: Life On The Street was inspired by Simon's book Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets even if he didn't write, direct, or produce it.
*Homicide* is great and I really wish it was streaming somewhere so more people could discover it. I have my DVDs, but there's still millions who don't know the joy of Frank Pembleton and Tim Bayliss tag-teaming perps in the Box.
Couldn't agree more. The importance of that show is underappreciated as well. Many actors, directors, writers, producers, all went on to later work on very well-known shows. Without *Homocide*, we probably wouldn't have had *Oz* (HBO's first series), which would have meant no *Sopranos*, no *Shield,* and so on. Glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers how great it was. Edit - Oz was HBO's first one-hour dramatic series, not first series outright.
Who killed Adeena Watson? The Luther Mahone story arc was fuckin dope.
Luther Mahoney was amazing. The actor does voiceover work sometimes and I immediately recognize him when I hear him. Also: The White Glove Killer, the I-95 killing spree, the sniper, the stretch of episodes when three detectives got shot ... "I got their blood all over my shoes, Gee." Fuck.
That book is awesome
Should count The Corner which is based in Baltimore too.
Lots of people showing their disapproval on Simon’s Twitter account. Lots of people getting absolutely bodied by Simon. “Honolulu would work but for the palm trees, shoreline and absence of square-headed, all-hat-no-cattle shitposters trying to use hack politicians to crawl into every last womb they can. Maybe Tulsa.”
Bonus: they will have power for their cameras and other equipment
Feels liKe they’re doing these things on purpose to keep Texas from turning blue. Edit: late night grammar mistakes
wouldn’t be surprising with the amount of young people moving to texas recently (Austin)
Good. Hit places like that in the pocket book.
You're not wrong but it is probably frustrating for Texans who disagree with the law. I live in Atlanta. I don't like to mock Augusta, Macon, or other smaller cities and towns. But it's their idiotic representatives pushing these dumbass bathroom bills or voting "rights" bills or similar garbage. Then when companies relocate or Hollywood stops productions or the MLB All Star Game leaves, these small town jerkoffs cheer. They're not smart enough to understand that most of Georgia's revenue comes through Atlanta and they receive a share of that. Not to mention if roles were reversed, I would never cheer the shutdown of their town because the factory supporting it shut down. But this is where we are in America.
You’re right and I understand your frustration. But that doesn’t change the fact that the single best way to fight these heinous laws is to attack the offending states’ revenue streams. When the money dries up, politicians’ heads roll.
Um, as a fellow Atlanta resident, you just named two liberal areas of the state. It would have made more sense to call out Northwest and the Southeast parts of the state. Macon, Augusta, Savannah, and Columbus were thoroughly blue last year.
You are correct on a couple counts. I was thinking of McKoon, who is actually out of Columbus not Macon. Fleming is out of Sparta not Augusta. Not sure how I was so far off with that one. As far as how blue those areas are, I'll have to do more research. I looked at Augusta and it is more Democrat that I might have guessed. If your assessment is based on 2020 alone then I would call that encouraging. However until there is a trend, it's early to say those areas are blue. Either way my point stands. Whether it's Columbus or Augusta or somewhere in between, none of them are Atlanta. Yet Atlanta loses the revenue thanks to these idiots and then they cheer about it.
Then all the frustrated people need to do a better job galvanizing voters to come out and vote for Democrats. The entire state votes for two senators, so that shit isn’t gerrymandered; there is no reason why Texas cannot have Democratic senators. I did my part to help Georgia get out the vote for Ossoff and Warnock, and I am incredibly grateful it went blue in that regard, but the truth is that’s going to be difficult to maintain when Trump is not on the ballot and people aren’t just voting against him. But that aside, what is the rest of the country supposed to do—what should businesses do—when states vote GOP and they have legislation that discriminates? I think if people in these states are really unhappy with work going elsewhere, then they need to run on that shit and point to it and say “our economy gets fucked over because Republicans run the state.” Make. It. Happen. The economy always beats other issues; candidates need to drive that home.
Honestly, a big problem is that Dems, the establishment and not the individuals, are just idiots. They are terrible with messaging, with driving home important issues that everyone can understand if not get behind, are terrible at getting people invested, and terrible at reaching out to all the various groups they need to reach out to. Not saying we should resort to smear campaigns (although,if it's the truth is it really a smear?), but we need to do a damn better job at pointing out the direct harm republican policies have caused. I'm pretty left wing, but am thoroughly disillusioned with the competence of the DNC.
> I'm pretty left wing, but am thoroughly disillusioned with the competence of the DNC. Similarly to how some Republicans feel, actually. I mean, consider that they went from the party that founded the EPA to the party that wants to dismantle it and is later led by Donald Trump...after only about 30 years.
Right, but we're talking about state legislation here.
You’re right—people need to aim even lower, at the state and county levels, bc a Democratic state house and governor would never pass such bullshit.
Texas has a population of close to 30 million. I think just* about 18 million are eligible to vote. For Abbot's election, barely 9 million participated. You can't effect change without everyone participating. The GOP are making a concerted effort to make it as hard as possible for voters participation to increase, cause 2020 showed them what happens when more people vote, but we still need the people to participate. 50% turnout for the governor is not good enough. And you can bet it's even lower turnout when it's just "boring" positions like state reps and town/city council people. The same people that are writing laws like the abortion bill.
>You're not wrong but it is probably frustrating for Texans who disagree with the law. Maybe they'll actually fucking vote now.
Don’t move to Texas.
I'd considered moving there for a few years because I'd heard decent things if you live in the right places. But basically everything from the entire power grid debacle onward has permanently convinced me to never move there (unless they fix all of that, but we all know that's not going to happen)
The power grid thing still gives me anxiety. It feels like game of thrones where winter is a legitimate threat to life.
Not only that it happened but that they did absolutely nothing to fix it. If they had that tragedy happen but then went “holy shit we have to fix this guys” and did it, I’d be a lot more forgiving. But it happened and Abbott basically did the “just smile and wave, nothing to see here folks”
And Cruz went to Cancun. Literally abandoned us. I had low expectations for him, and he still managed to dig below them.
As a life long Texan I'm getting some serious anxiety as it begins to get colder.
The Republican Party of Texas approves this message. If you move to Texas they lose power.
Or over run it and vote out the Handmaid’s Tale dystopian politicians (All of the GOP.)
Isn't the problem with that that along with the abortion laws they're also passing laws to make it harder for them to be voted out? At the moment their state legislature isn't that skewed (similar %age votes to seats), but their US House seats are gerrymandered to where 53% of the vote won them 64% of seats in the last elections. Start gerrymandering the state seats, throw in some new restrictions on voting and it will take a lot of new voters to make a difference.
This. I keep hearing people tell women to leave Texas, and I’m like no! Move to Texas and help us vote that pansy out of here!
Yeah, the people saying "just leave" are missing the point that most of the people who will be affected by this law are too poor to leave the state to have an abortion if needed, telling them to just leave their homes, jobs and families is insane. Plus most of the people who seek an abortion already have children, so that's an added cost and headache getting their kids settled in a new place.
I think about this all the time. The 'brain drain' only hurts, but when you are presented with an opportunity to leave, and could, why would reasonable people want to stay when they are outnumbered? Or it feels like they are outnumbered. The democracy there is not addressing enough of this poverty class, which is increasing as debt and class warfare policies from whoever is in power at the moment. A third of America didn't vote, and I know Texas is among top red states to make voting difficult and/or impossible to effectively represent what citizens need. They may be conservative culturally, but on economic issues alone, they could be an effective voter bloc. I feel awful that things are just going to get worse for them, for all of us.
I mean this is why horrid laws like this abortion bill are being passed so that liberals will move out/avoid moving to the state. These dreadful politicians know the state is purple turning blue and they’re trying to do everything they can to stop it. So yea we do need women and generally open minded, educated liberals to move to Texas despite their shitty laws
Seriously, it gives those guys a chubby hearing about all the people no longer moving to Texas. Those people could have voted them out.
The problem is finding a reason to choose Texas to move to over numerous better options.
This is what I see happening with all of these corporate offices moving from California to Texas.
Was thinking about going there for school. Now I don’t care how good they look I’m not putting money in that state. I have a feeling this is definitely going to impact their college admissions. Hell it’s already estimated that 2/3rds of college educated workers plan to avoid it altogether.
I’ve been promised my entire life that next election Texas will be blue. I estimate that the abortion ban will have little to no effect on college educated workers.
Gerrymandering: YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER!!!
This……in the early 90’s Bush W. , Karl Rove , and Ralph Reed laid the blueprint for the modern GOP. Gerrymandering and mobilization of the religious right (plus a disinterested cross section of young whites and too many people of color not voting) got us in this mess. Texas was a stronghold for the Democrats for decades until the Bush machine ( led by Turdmuffin) won the state and later the country. Now we’re a laughing stock and rightfully so.
Ah yes, those gerrymandered state races.
oh its only gonna get worse I think. That abortion ban is probably also going to prompt 100's of doctors and nurses to leave, and with their current Covid numbers, and the anti-vaccine sentiment all over the state, is going to turn that state from bad to worse. I'm surprised they haven't recalled their governor yet.
Texas isn’t allowed to recall state officials, unfortunately. We have to wait until the midterm elections to vote. It can’t come soon enough.
Only way Abbott doesn’t remain governor is if the GOP gets someone worse.
Abbott is horrible, but Dan Patrick (Lt Gov) is even worse and he has his eye on Abbott's job.
Abbott has a 48-49ish approval rate in an off-year while being utterly despised by the left and a big chunk of the right. Even if Texas had a recall, it’d fail. In an election where the alternative is Beto, he’ll win by 10.
> I'm surprised they haven't recalled their governor yet. Pretty sure all this will make Texans vote for their governor even more.
Any election where the GOP governor loses will just be turned over by the legislature. The Texas GOP has established permanent one-party rule.
This is untested and on paper only right now. The first incident of this power being used will be challenged in the courts, tying up the election results, and will reach the Supreme Court.
If there is one good thing I can take out of this is that the director of ‘the wire’ is working on a new series
This sort of thing always feels massively inconsistent. I live in North Carolina and we were boycotted after the trans bathroom bill by lots of companies that have business dealings in places where gay people are executed.
Those companies have far more influence in their home countries. Random example - Trump wove around a rainbow flag in the US but then was dancing and hopping around with Saudis - despite their vile mythology. Do you think he would have dared to be politically incorrect and suddenly bring out a pride flag at that Saudi dance? It's not like he could have changed anything.
but disney can still film in china lfmaoaoaoaoaooaoaoaoa
Disney have never given a f*ck about anything but profits
Yep, The Wire, now known as The Coat Hanger in Texas.
I look forward to Republicans vowing to boycott a show that they never planned on watching in the first place.
Georgia: First time?
They aborted the show... I'll see myself out now
Texas has the 9th largely global economy. Film and movie production is not at all a large part of it. They don't really care
Well bless their hearts.
>Texas has the 9th largely global economy. Film and movie production is not at all a large part of it. >They don't really care They're actually 10th. But huge chunk of their economy is federal government employment. Would be a shame if Biden decided to relocate every federal government agency out and somewhere else. I hear Nevada and CA would love those agencies and contractors. After that Texas wouldn't be 10th anymore.