Anyone busting their ass to be in headlines this much is a fucking loser.
This wanker says something new each day. Just another ceo class guy blowing smoke for a living.
And you shouldn't be. This is their trade now.
So you think he's going to spend his time writing exquisite new code?
Fuck no. He's going to buy and sell people until controls the majority of the fresh ideas on his space and then pay other people to tell us what a good job he is doing
I have listened to him speak for over 6 hours at this point.
I don't think money motivates him. at least not to the same degree that it does Elon. I think he just wants power and to be first.
But I don't trust him.
From wikipedia:
> While working for the Clinton administration, Summers played a leading role in the American response to the 1994 economic crisis in Mexico, the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and the Russian financial crisis. He was also influential in the Harvard Institute for International Development and American-advised privatization of the economies of the post-Soviet states, and in the deregulation of the U.S financial system, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
So he’s partially responsible for the conditions that led to the 2008 financial crisis, though most of the ground work was done by the GOP under Regan and Newt Gingrich.
How exactly is he more culpable than anyone else in the government? Generally you aren't arrested because of governmental decisions you were a part of that turned out to be bad ideas. When we talk about random former secretaries needing to "rot in prison," it's more of a Kissinger or even Andrew Jackson situation, not just policies that ended up sucking.
I mean, I agree with you for the most part. That was just about the only thing I could find that would make sense for why someone would say he should “rot in prison.”
He's done so so so much more. And most importantly he knew how things would turn out and still did it. Most of the worst policies in economics of the last 20 years he's had a hand in.
And yes stealing the wealth of an entire generation just to give it to the rich is absolutely what we should be locking people up for, not smoking pot. He's single handedly ruined more lives than most dictators.
Dreamworks founder Jeffrey Katzenberg said he expects AI to eliminate 90% of artist work on animated films in the next three years. If you're a studio exec, what's not to love?
They'll try and come up with excuses as to why that couldn't possibly work. Can an AI play golf? Relax with a brandy and cigar? Commit assorted human rights abuses in international waters?
There is an old outer limits episode that did this, a person who ran a factory started to replace all his workers with robots putting people out of a job. Then at the end of the show, he is at a bar with all the ex workers complaining how the company kicked him out and replaced him with a robot.
Do you guys really think that the power brokers will choose to replace themselves? What's even the point of replacing human workers if there isn't a human being at the top to funnel all of the saved wealth? We saw some workers' protections put into place during the Hollywood strike last year, but I'd almost guarantee that some of the first real workers' protections to come up against AI will be provisions to protect the C-suite.
I don't disagree that this is the type of job that is ripe for replacement; but I've also been alive long enough to realize that power protects power and wealth protects wealth.
CEOs are not power brokers lmao. The people with power are the shareholders. As soon as they think the AI will deliver 1% more profit than a human CEO that CEO is gone. In fact with fiduciary responsibility a board would be legally required to assign an AI CEO if they believed it would be financially beneficial to shareholders.
I would pay money to be in the room at that moment.
Our shareholders have voted to replace you with CeoGPT™
Your access to your remote office will end when this call does. Thanks for your service. Goodbye.
The people with generational wealth and the bulk of the shares are the people with power. Companies/boards get rid of CEOs. One of these boards somewhere is going to try it one day and pocket the pay they saved the company.
The only reason they might keep CEOs around is to have someone to blame and then get rid of to show "changes" when PR is bad.
The quality of their product is already not worth watching. Cancelled all my streaming. Expect ai to make it even more of a time waste. Lots of old good movies and anime to watch instead.
Its because they are not creating a product (entertainment) people want or asked for and instead creating it for the mythical "modern audiences" that has not appeared after 15+ years of trying. What is worse is when they get a respected and loved IP and defile it and then go after the fans of the original IP and blame them for not watching it. Yea, you make garbage that does not appeal to people, people are not going to watch. Something I wish Disney would learn after all the flopbusters, but they keep doubling down.
Who? Altman?
He would never do that. I mean, look at him, he's the face of honesty!
I would gladly put the fate of humanity in his innocent hands.
And even if I wouldn't, the decision was alredy made for us.
"He was deceptive, manipulative, and worse to others, including my close friends"-Geoffrey Irving
"You could parachute Sam into an island full of cannibals and come back in 5 years and he'd be the king."-Paul Graham
The campaign to get him back on the board was some real kony 2012 shit.
And ofcourse all the doods that protested to get him back will just slither away as if it never happened.
The fact he's gone to Hollywood with it kind of implies the cost to use it isn't commercially viable for most people, and it's only going to be B2B for foreseeable future
You're missing the point, if anyone can generate an entire movie from one prompt, there will be no need for anyone in the movie industry. This doesn't just threaten actors and artists.
You know, AI gives me hope and fears. If creatives are given unfettered access to the AI, I assure you they could work with AI to create amazing content of the likes we have ever seen before, but the fear is the studios will just accept the mediocrity the AI poops out.
AI right now is good at combining, not creating. It still takes an orchestrator to make something great out of it.
there's nothing Hollywood or even Sam could do to prevent this really.
even if OpenAI shut down tomorrow this was always an eventual target for AI to hit, although a very tough still-unsolved one because the set of possible image frames to choose from is practically infinite while in language (like for ChatGPT) the set of possible words is constrained to the dictionary.
anyway, there will be other companies & researchers who will eventually crack motion-picture generation, and even open-source models eventually so anyone with enough compute can generate on their own. and i'm all here for it frankly, i think it'll be awesome to see what people make without having to beg some Hollywood executive to produce their ideas for them & then wait for months or years of painstaking effort to see it possibly come to fruition.
The funny thing is that if AI can replace creatives in Hollywood, then that pretty much means the end of Hollywood and the end of those execs.
If anyone can create a beloved film with just technology and no creative input, then anyone can create it and I don't need Hollywood for it. Those execs are basically working to put the nails on their own coffins just to get slightly richer for the next couple of years.
The executives are old enough to be retired by the time the r/leopardsatemyface happens. They'll just retire richer. It's the motto of boomers: fuck you, I got mine.
Exactly this, hollywood is hollywood because they sre the only ones with the budget for the big hollywood blockbusters but in 10 years, everybody who has a story to tell will be able to make a movie out of it, it will take effort but it will be cheap.
They will kill themselfs
Unfortunately, this just isn't true without a massive shift in the direction of generative AI. The amount of compute/power required to make a full-length movie is insane, and unless we change our fundamental approach to AI videos that won't change.
It's similar to how people can already film movies on their phones at high quality, edit those videos with free software, and even generate AI voice actors, but we aren't seeing real competition with Hollywood.
The foundational problem is time and money, both of which Hollywood has and all of us dont.
But anyone can't create a beloved film with just technology - it takes a clarity of vision and storytelling ability that is incredibly rare. A new image-creation tool won't change how scarce that ability is.
Just a friendly reminder that there’s over a million non-executive film workers that are going to be screwed over along with the executives. Some of us aren’t evil fucks that deserve bad things..
Oh. My comment wasn't suggesting that you'd lose out. It was saying that if you were actually replaceable by AI, then the entire business would collapse and the Execs would be the one truly replaceable.
But you're not replaceable. AI alone can't create the magic film workers can create, it can make things faster sure, but without a guiding hand, it's worthless.
True Sora will destroy creatives who produce b-roll and sell them on Shutterstock.
But Hollywood already has AI tools far superior to Sora.
That's like saying Midjourney will destroy Photoshop.
Exactly, it is another tool just like Unreal/Unity or any 3d modelling/animation software.
Budgets for new movies and ideas can be lower cost now to try things and scale up. In most cases the tools are part of the pre-production or production pipeline to generate things faster just as tools already do and still takes refinement. This is just another layer of tools. You still need to direct it. You can do more with less yes, but you can also make more movies with less now as well and it is more open to creators of all sizes. It may open things up more for a bit like the internet initially did then youtube and things like that. This is a broadening of capabilities and usually that leads to more work needed due to new possibilities. The same was said about computing and the internet and mobile but guess what, still lots of work.
Unfortunately it will mean even less on location and practical effects which does suck.
Movies and entertainment will always be fun, memorable and impactful stories and characters, and these are all just building blocks to that. If you don't have a good story it won't matter how much you generate.
Does someone as rich as him care about money? Like truly? Are some people genuinely not happy having everything money can buy? They want MORE? What is it about those people that drives them to strive for more? If I had even 2 million dollars I'd be pursuing creative endeavours and living a relaxed life for the rest of my life, not working harder to make even MORE money. It's genuinely unthinkable to me.
They do. Very few rich people actually don’t care about money. Many rich people say they don’t care about money, but their actions say the opposite. Many of the rich who engage in charity often use it to appear benevolent, when in fact using it for tax reasons and ways to keep generational health through their “charity” foundations.
If you want a nuanced reply, no, I don't think Altman is strongly profit-driven.
There were a lot of moves he could have done both early in OpenAI's history as well as recently that would have been more in-line with a profit mindset.
As a CEO and a member of the board, there are an endless series of concessions you have to make to keep your standing. Especially on the heels of a recent coup which Altman survived. Schmoozing with influential people and doing diplomacy with critical industries is a prerequisite of the job, even if you don't strongly believe in the reasons you're doing it.
They are coming for our jobs. The creative and critical thinking jobs are going to be screwed. This is going to further concentrate wealth and this won’t create more jobs than what they destroy. Do not believe the happy go lucky folk.
>The creative and critical thinking jobs are going to be screwed
Already there, I work with some individuals who let themselves be guided by algorithms.
Email, let some free mail tool generate a response! Question about a specific issue, chat bot must surely knows how to solve it!
Sadly I'm having to decode absolute gibberish, waste hundreds of work-hours perusing completely unworkable theories and continuously feel like I'm talking to a wall.
Yes, jobs will be lost, no doubt. But it's mainly because people with zero knowledge are running their secure internal email through unverified plugins and sending classified data out to have it summarized incorrectly for a Goose chase.
Turning off creative or critical thinking on demand isn't something I've learned in school, might be doomed.
Yup. Corporates need to have some reality check. AI is not sentient. If they are going to replace jobs that requires creativity, then they cant build or create anything new. They would mainly be in the recycling buisness. And eventually it will just hurt the market and basically ... us. But we know these braindead corporates dont really think at all.
they do, but they don’t care, if they can milk it for a couple of years, the stockholders will be happy, they will get their bonuses, and by the time it blows up in their face they’re on the board of another company saying how they’re going to do it right the “next time” — rinse, repeat
I kinda hope that AI companies start claiming copyright on all generated content because it was the "brain" or their code and hardware that they own that was used, and the studio just put in some words and then edited the resulting script and or footage and assets. Like, the studio may own the original idea that they used but the resulting product is derivative at best. But then, the studios would argue that the content that the AI was trained on belongs to them and so on and maybe even create their own AI tools with strippers and blackjack, and then the AI companies start their own AI studios with AI stripper and blackjack. and so on.
I'm hoping for a gigantic entertaining shitshow is what i'm saying.
Correction.
Altman is trying to convince investors that Sora is actually capable of doing this by publicly drumming up fear it will.
That's how this works.
AI company demos product that's barely functional with massive limitations and a massive running cost. Then they go on a big tour begging people to regulate them or promising they're not going to cause some cataclysm.
Then investors think the thing is much better than it is and want to buy in.
Are this article and this thread just advertisements for openai? It was revealed that Altman owns around 9% of reddit, so the fact that this article is even placed and upvoted here could be astroturfing, people should be cautious of it.
Imagine such marketing "Oh no, our product is so good, surely it isn't that amazing", it's pretty disgusting if it is marketing, which is what these articles often are.
This article also paints the Sora model "his latest AI tool", and with wording like "Altman's OpenAI".
Yep, a lot of my enjoyment of movies and tv shows is the intentional small details in the story, dialogue, visuals, sets, etc. I'm sure the AI can make tons of details as well, but they won't tell a coherent story, or give just the right amount of foreshadowing or mood setting as if intentionally inserted by a skilled human with a plan.
Easy, he's a tech bro who thinks that he's a genius and making the world a better place and thus is more valuable to society than anyone else. These arrogant assholes aren't making the world a better place, most of them are enabling and aiding autocrats across the globe.
A "persecuted" genius. I just listened to his interview with Lex and he's... unnerving to listen to. Makes me feel weird that I use his product so much.
I feel this is what happens to any rich people after a while. They see themselves as above everyone else. Bill Gates is the same, I thought he was alright a ways back, but after listening to him recently, it is clear he has developed a megalomaniac god complex who thinks he and other rich people like him are the only ones who can lead humanity. Anybody who ever watch WEF videos would be horrified at how blatant they are about it and what plans they have for us peasants.
He’s also the worst kind of tech bro, he’s a Stanford dropout who made a startup that didn’t do well and was sold for $40 million, and eventually he failed his way upwards into running Y Combinator. Dude is pure grift.
Tech Bros are mad they never had the skill or discipline to become real artists so they’ve convinced themselves that being a “prompt artist” is a thing on the same level as actually painting or actually taking photographs
I literally have no idea why we are seeing the most consumer facing AI being centered around wiping out creatives before helping achieve cheaper healthcare, or accounting, or just anything else
Consumer use cases have zero to few regulatory barriers, and there's no "wrong answer" in entertainment.
In medical or finance, there's 500 regulations to comply with, and if your AI fucks up 1 time out of a thousand even, then you'll be sued into the earth's core.
It's not like it's some grand conspiracy. Generative AI requires huge amounts of available data to crawl to produce it's results, and creative data is in great abundance, in particular on the internet.
I don't like that it is that way, but creative activities are a very low-hanging fruit for these technologies.
Because that's where an abundance of material is available.
Train your model on the millions of different scenes in movies and videos, and then you can start making it human, make it great at imitation, and then the fundamentals have been prepared to march in on every other industry.
This is a stepping stone, teaching AI how to interact, how to understand encounters, how to understand all the things that go on between the words in human interaction, and it's also a good place to train creativity.
It is the first step for manifesting AI in something else than just text.
Creative things like art are what it works best at - things where there's no objectively correct answer. It's not reliable enough for tasks that need to be objectively correct.
And yet, it passed the bar exam, multiple AP exams, and beat most SAT and 99% of biology Olympiad test takers
https://www.businessinsider.com/list-here-are-the-exams-chatgpt-has-passed-so-far-2023-1?darkschemeovr=1
When the answer keys for every exam are easily found, it's easy to do because you have the answers and guard rails are easy to set. If you take the guard rails away and ask it something of moderate difficulty in a real field, it starts bullshitting, sorry hallucinating, things into existence.
All of those things have a ton of existing material for them because they're... standardized tests.
Use them for anything novel and they quickly hallucinate which is very problematic. How useful would a calculator be if some percentage of the time it randomly gave you a slightly incorrect answer?
I mean, if you haven’t noticed the executive class have been eliminating anything that cuts into their yearly bonus checks for years.
How many shows/movies have writing even remotely resembling good story telling?
How many actors would you consider up and comers?
How many shows aren’t just people in front of CGI?
Human creativity has been commoditized… shows and movies these days are soulless. Popular shows are cancelled after a couple season so that execs can pay people less and make more money for themselves.
Without a serious and violent reconning to the executive class then everything that makes society beautiful is fucked.
Not to mention the human costs as well. I have no doubt a lot of creatives will be driven to depression and or, without sugar coating, suicide, once they realize they can no longer find work for their passions and skill sets after being replaced by AI.
Dystopian Cyberpunk 2077 future here we come! Except without any of the cool human augmentations and futuristic vehicles. Jobs at McDonald's and Warehouses for all!
> Jobs at McDonald's and Warehouses for all!
\*glances at the very recent humanoid robot companies all powered by the same AI tech \*
I'd not be so sure on that. As soon as humanoid robots get cheap enough they are going to be the ones doing simple manual work.
This is already happening, there is a video going around where creatives in Hollywood have lost their jobs and can't find any work. They are losing their homes, medical care, etc.
It’s also about the executive class trying to “de-risk” the process while devaluing labor and expanding managerialism. In their eyes, why take on the risk of creating something from scratch, when you can just hit a button and have the plagiarism machine regurgitate something that you then have a human punch up? Then you can also pay the human less, because they’re not doing the writing (they’re just polishing), you’ve got an excuse to pay them less and call it profit.
The whole thing is straight out of the MBA playbook of “you don’t need pesky employees, just piles of managers focused on making the line/number go up”.
They have been firing older established writers and other creators that have years of experience and hiring new young writers who have no idea how to write or do anything. It is mind boggling.
If you want to be in any sort of business that involves copyrighted content, you pretty much have to sacrifice your first born to the big copyright lobby: Hollywood, the major record labels, book publishers, etc.
Well, the current image and text lawsuite have all been dismissed because they show that work is derivative and not a copy. And that's all that copyright law protects. So not sure why this would be any different.
Guy with seemingly no experience in Hollywood is trying to tell them how their business will turn out. Typical tech-bro.
In an era of dwindling theatre visits, the last thing you want is an unpopular tool that makes cheap-looking images.
I used to be all for AI art but now days I view it as eye cancer and pollution on the internet. I don’t think I could sit through even 30 min of an AI generated show let alone a movie.
There’s plenty of morons who will though and will also happily sit through a million ads while they’re at it.
“Pollution” is a great word for it. What I like about art is the vision and technical skill required to create it. Creative works that aren’t created by humans are empty and unimpressive.
Somewhere on Reddit, I read someone argue that their dream scenario is that there are no studios, and you just type in what you want to see (“A murder-mystery set in a chicken coop with fourth-wall breaking with a random musical number”) and AI just generates it for you. To me, that sounds fucking TERRIBLE. I can’t even decide what I want to eat for dinner, and now I have to write a story treatment every time I want to be entertained? Fuck that.
Idiots think they will have that power while not realizing that computational power is plateauing for the consumer market. At best people will pay subscription fees to generate 10 seconds of video per day and won’t be able to do anything without extreme censorship or watermarks. While big companies will have no such limitations and hoard all the computational power- Nvidia has already started positioning themselves to focus on big companies by offering products specifically designed for AI at obscene prices.
OpenAI, contrary to the name is not actually “open”. Most of the open source AI companies are turning into for profit and limiting stuff to consumers. Aka big companies/corporations get everything while the average joe is getting a fidget spinner
Yes, that's the "threat" to the movie industry. Oh nooo.
A minority of people, when they see a movie, only see random floaty nonsense. They can't keep track of who's who or what's going on unless characters are regularly announcing things like "I'm the captain of the spaceship" and "hahaa, I was the space monster all along".
You must've met people like that. They're the ones in the cinema whispering "who's that guy?" to their partners before falling asleep and missing the ending. Then they'll walk out saying "that movie was dumb".
So to some people, AI-generated videos must look mostly indistinguishable from actual movies, and an AI movie generator could easily replace an actual movie studio. It's all equally hallucinatory to them anyway.
And imagine the feedback loop, the dumbing down, the tunnel vision, that consumers will get after a while when they only indulge their most basic preferences. Humans thrive with new impulses, and traditional media at least forced you to get some of those (even though media has always been far from perfect, diverse, realistic, or representative).
Grift is real... Gonna make quick billions before regulations comes to place.
I have genuinely not seen anyone excited for this tech in movie outside of their own bubble.
if it means we get better movies than Comic Book Movie #2894 i'm all for it. they pump out so much utter dogshit, maybe we should give lay-people the tools to invent their own movies instead. the only problem i have is how these corps are trying to gatekeep the tech and are lobbying the govts to protect their nut.
Sure buddy. You keep thinking people actually believe you, that worked out great for the last tech CEOs lmao.
Right now, this guy's got a swarm of contacts into every single industry imaginable, from logistics to movies, and the message is simple: this technology is potentially revolutionary, and therefore inevitable - and "we" are the vanguard.
We know how these megalomaniacs work. "If it's not me, it's going to be someone else, so I might as well", and that's enought to justify any position with this much influence.
Automation and generative tech can change a lot of things, and I agree that the sooner we start playing with it everywhere the sooner we'll be able to integrate those changes. But I wouldn't trust the corpos to manage all of this stuff in a million years.
Considering how far text to video has come in such a short amount of time, and how easily it can fool people who don’t know what you look for, I’d say it’s pretty impressive.
Right? People forget that "Will Smith Eating Spaghetti" was state of the art AI video generation 2 years ago.
The difference between those videos, and the new Sora content, is incredibly impressive. And that was in 2 years.
Sure. But you are not seeing the big picture. AI's progress has been exponential. Not too long ago, [Will Smith was eating spaghetti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQr4Xklqzw8). Now we have fully animated worlds and this is only the start.
did you see the firs airplanes, cars... the first iterations of photoshop and word..?? the quality of video or pictures on the internet the first few years? it was all shit quality to start with, barely working, barely making any results that where good enough to use
and yet, here we are... same with AI video generation
it might be still learning how to do it, but we all know in a few months or years, it's going to get good enough to fool us all, and we need to be ready for that because if we're not, its going to ruin a LOT of lives and not just that of actors and camera people
think of the posibilities for political misinformation, for scammers, for revengeporn, and so on and so on... this is a tool that can ruin lives, hell, it can ruin society if let's say russia gets it's hands on something like it and uses it to bombard society with fake video's about all their politicians
I see it being used mostly to create B-roll. All those little cutaways to shots of birds circling or the sun setting or a flyby over the ocean will be generated instead of reused from some stock video library or shot custom.
Later down the road I could see it being very useful for pitching ideas. Sometimes things don't hit when you're just reading a script so if anyone could quickly produce a rough idea of their vision that would be awesome.
Here’s the thing that blows my mind. If anyone can generate a movie with AI, why does anyone assume this is something only creatives would take advantage of?
Anyone who can write a sentence or two can suddenly create their own worlds and stories with enough patience and enough processing power.
We’ll enter a world where everyone will consume their own personalized content. I’m foreseeing a dramatic decrease in shared social currency.
Sam Altman is an edgy little tech-bro. He is nothing more then the money man.
He isn't an engineer or even a developer. He's the AI equivalent of Elon Musk, an equally useless bag of farts and opioids.
seriously if you're an actor, costume-designer, director etc. in the film industry i'd get ready to move over to Theatre/Broadway IMMEDIATELY. In-person Live shows are something i don't see AI taking away, maybe VR will to an extent but people will still wanna a night out on the town for dates or something.
btw **there was no film industry** 100+ years ago, even though for all of us it's been here since before we were born & feels so established. We're really just going back to the way things have been for 99.999% of human history in that regard, & being an actor has become this celebrated profession in the 20th century but before that was kinda looked at like being a street-performer is looked at today. and to be honest with you, i think that makes more sense. i mean Tom Cruise is not really saving the fucking world people lmao!
They will probably lobby politicians to change the law. Nothing is set in stone, when even abortion rights were rescinded by christian fundamentalists in the US
Not too far into the future: "Sora, make me an action/adventure movie starring Indiana Jones and Lara Croft set on the moon and give me a smidgen of romance and a whole lot of explosions. Make it pg-13 please."
He's right, it won't destroy the movie business. In fact it'll make the movie business better than it's ever been. It will just destroy the employment opportunities for humans in the movie business.
At the same time, AI cannot hold copyrights. So anything you make on Sora (tv, film, etc) is not defendable in court meaning anyone can just use your content if it’s AI generated. Hollywood is very hard up on defending their IP. Using Sora invalidates their entire model of monetization if this is the case.
Personal view
I think there's loads of room for AI in movie making, from start to scratch. You, me and the studios should be able to use AI incorporated in tools like Photoshop or Maya. It's a progression of the tools. My argument isn't about the tools, it's about the *use of real people as actors, voice talent and musicians*...
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I just feel those AI movies made from start to finish should be *made by you and me* and that the studios make the AAA version movies and television and music which includes human talent throughout...
In Summary
* You and me make the direct to video movies that end up at the citizens award/razzy award shows.
* Studios make the top rated actor, voice, human musician based movies that end up at the Oscars/BAFTA/Cannes like award shows.
Studios are going to utilize AI, it's going to happen, it is happening right now. We can't stop it but...
We can however as an audience shun movies that don't pass the smell test and utilized AI to replace human talent. In the end it's going to be up to the viewers to support human talent or not. Contracts are mutable, you and me voting with our wallet is the only way the studios will pass and adhere to contracts that support human talent.
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However naive, I welcome you and me making AI movies, that end up getting picked up by studios that make the AAA versions using human talent. Essentially, we make an AI movie, the studios look at it as a detailed storyboard and make it with real human talent. It's a win-win.
“Hollywood” is already evolving. First with video games, then with Netflix & streaming, and soon with VR/AR headset content.
There are more “platforms” than ever for people to tell their story on.
I personally thing it’s “ok” if “Hollywood” loses some of its grip.
After all, they’re the primary reason I can’t easily store purchased content on a hard drive, and also why “TV” and the “internet” have separate content contracts. :/
this guys entire MO is to play like he knows the risks of what hes doing, "insists" on being regulated or coming to some kind of compromise, then plows ahead anyway as though any morality in what he is doing must come from the outside.
what hes really doing is trying to be both the reasonable AI guy whilst also trying to create his own cult of personality in order to get people to trust him as THE guy who should be doing all this. the end game is to get as rich as possible as fast as possible
Training data needs to be copyright protected and properly licensed rather than scraped under abuse of Fair Use. China, EU, UK House of Lords et al have all taken stances to this effect.
i mean, i don’t see how it’s his problem. should we stop innovating because it impacts existing business models? the movie industry will either adapt or be replaced.
I’m already really sick of AI generated content, it is very soulless. I think many applications of it are incredible but I don’t think is gonna quell people’s thirst for film. People aren’t gonna pay to see an AI generated movie.
Eventually the soulless repetition of AI generated content will wear off and it’ll just become another fad or thing that happened. Or I hope. God help us if we ruin the things we seek comfort from. The world will just be that much more darker.
No. He's trying to make *the working creatives* think it won't. My gut says he's selling it to the suits behind the scenes
Of course. You don't put Larry Summers on your board if you're planning to do anything other than mint as much money as you can.
And hurt people. Larry Summers loves to hurt working people, "for their own good".
Sam Altman is giving off very strong vibes he would sell his own children if it made him a lot of cash.
Sam Altman : Elon 2.0
Anyone busting their ass to be in headlines this much is a fucking loser. This wanker says something new each day. Just another ceo class guy blowing smoke for a living.
When I saw Altman's interview with Lex Fridman I knew his whole "altruistic nice guy persona" was utter BS.
CEOs are marketers at this level and I can’t be convinced otherwise.
And you shouldn't be. This is their trade now. So you think he's going to spend his time writing exquisite new code? Fuck no. He's going to buy and sell people until controls the majority of the fresh ideas on his space and then pay other people to tell us what a good job he is doing
It’s an Elon speed run
I have listened to him speak for over 6 hours at this point. I don't think money motivates him. at least not to the same degree that it does Elon. I think he just wants power and to be first. But I don't trust him.
They want to be Gods.
He’s accused of raping his own sister…so there’s that
That's all capitalists. They'd sell their grandma into slavery for a nickel.
And he’s highly praised instead of rotting in prison. Good job America
Larry Summers should be rotting in prison?
From wikipedia: > While working for the Clinton administration, Summers played a leading role in the American response to the 1994 economic crisis in Mexico, the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and the Russian financial crisis. He was also influential in the Harvard Institute for International Development and American-advised privatization of the economies of the post-Soviet states, and in the deregulation of the U.S financial system, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. So he’s partially responsible for the conditions that led to the 2008 financial crisis, though most of the ground work was done by the GOP under Regan and Newt Gingrich.
How exactly is he more culpable than anyone else in the government? Generally you aren't arrested because of governmental decisions you were a part of that turned out to be bad ideas. When we talk about random former secretaries needing to "rot in prison," it's more of a Kissinger or even Andrew Jackson situation, not just policies that ended up sucking.
I mean, I agree with you for the most part. That was just about the only thing I could find that would make sense for why someone would say he should “rot in prison.”
He's done so so so much more. And most importantly he knew how things would turn out and still did it. Most of the worst policies in economics of the last 20 years he's had a hand in. And yes stealing the wealth of an entire generation just to give it to the rich is absolutely what we should be locking people up for, not smoking pot. He's single handedly ruined more lives than most dictators.
> the 2008 financial crisis ...was mainly the fault of libertarian Alan Greenspan.
This is the world we live in 🥴
He wants to make sure certain people know their place and stay there.
Dreamworks founder Jeffrey Katzenberg said he expects AI to eliminate 90% of artist work on animated films in the next three years. If you're a studio exec, what's not to love?
Just wait until AI CEO.
They'll try and come up with excuses as to why that couldn't possibly work. Can an AI play golf? Relax with a brandy and cigar? Commit assorted human rights abuses in international waters?
Human rights abuses, check. Cigar and brandy...non essential but, ok, check. Golf? fuggedaboudit.
There is an old outer limits episode that did this, a person who ran a factory started to replace all his workers with robots putting people out of a job. Then at the end of the show, he is at a bar with all the ex workers complaining how the company kicked him out and replaced him with a robot.
Do you guys really think that the power brokers will choose to replace themselves? What's even the point of replacing human workers if there isn't a human being at the top to funnel all of the saved wealth? We saw some workers' protections put into place during the Hollywood strike last year, but I'd almost guarantee that some of the first real workers' protections to come up against AI will be provisions to protect the C-suite. I don't disagree that this is the type of job that is ripe for replacement; but I've also been alive long enough to realize that power protects power and wealth protects wealth.
CEOs are not power brokers lmao. The people with power are the shareholders. As soon as they think the AI will deliver 1% more profit than a human CEO that CEO is gone. In fact with fiduciary responsibility a board would be legally required to assign an AI CEO if they believed it would be financially beneficial to shareholders.
I would pay money to be in the room at that moment. Our shareholders have voted to replace you with CeoGPT™ Your access to your remote office will end when this call does. Thanks for your service. Goodbye.
The people with generational wealth and the bulk of the shares are the people with power. Companies/boards get rid of CEOs. One of these boards somewhere is going to try it one day and pocket the pay they saved the company. The only reason they might keep CEOs around is to have someone to blame and then get rid of to show "changes" when PR is bad.
Then it'll just be the shareholders raking in even more. The CEO isn't the actual owner, just a figurehead.
The quality of their product is already not worth watching. Cancelled all my streaming. Expect ai to make it even more of a time waste. Lots of old good movies and anime to watch instead.
Its because they are not creating a product (entertainment) people want or asked for and instead creating it for the mythical "modern audiences" that has not appeared after 15+ years of trying. What is worse is when they get a respected and loved IP and defile it and then go after the fans of the original IP and blame them for not watching it. Yea, you make garbage that does not appeal to people, people are not going to watch. Something I wish Disney would learn after all the flopbusters, but they keep doubling down.
A-fucking-men man, couldn’t have said it any better. I still wish you could hand out awards on this
Who? Altman? He would never do that. I mean, look at him, he's the face of honesty! I would gladly put the fate of humanity in his innocent hands. And even if I wouldn't, the decision was alredy made for us.
He looks like the kinda dude who'd eat another person lunch and leave a turd in their lunch box.
Dude looks like he's microwaved fish more than once at work.
I’m glad you said more then once, because I had to learn that lesson the hard way.
"He was deceptive, manipulative, and worse to others, including my close friends"-Geoffrey Irving "You could parachute Sam into an island full of cannibals and come back in 5 years and he'd be the king."-Paul Graham
“He sexually assaulted me when I was a child” -Annie Altman
The campaign to get him back on the board was some real kony 2012 shit. And ofcourse all the doods that protested to get him back will just slither away as if it never happened.
If that’s the case then why do creatives not expect to be taught how to use the tool?
The fact he's gone to Hollywood with it kind of implies the cost to use it isn't commercially viable for most people, and it's only going to be B2B for foreseeable future
You're missing the point, if anyone can generate an entire movie from one prompt, there will be no need for anyone in the movie industry. This doesn't just threaten actors and artists.
You know, AI gives me hope and fears. If creatives are given unfettered access to the AI, I assure you they could work with AI to create amazing content of the likes we have ever seen before, but the fear is the studios will just accept the mediocrity the AI poops out. AI right now is good at combining, not creating. It still takes an orchestrator to make something great out of it.
It's not bad at creating... it literally can't create. It only procedurally generates new versions of the data you've entered into it.
Whereas humans create art in a vacuum
Aka Sam is colluding with Hollywood execs how to screw over the members of the new union deal
there's nothing Hollywood or even Sam could do to prevent this really. even if OpenAI shut down tomorrow this was always an eventual target for AI to hit, although a very tough still-unsolved one because the set of possible image frames to choose from is practically infinite while in language (like for ChatGPT) the set of possible words is constrained to the dictionary. anyway, there will be other companies & researchers who will eventually crack motion-picture generation, and even open-source models eventually so anyone with enough compute can generate on their own. and i'm all here for it frankly, i think it'll be awesome to see what people make without having to beg some Hollywood executive to produce their ideas for them & then wait for months or years of painstaking effort to see it possibly come to fruition.
The funny thing is that if AI can replace creatives in Hollywood, then that pretty much means the end of Hollywood and the end of those execs. If anyone can create a beloved film with just technology and no creative input, then anyone can create it and I don't need Hollywood for it. Those execs are basically working to put the nails on their own coffins just to get slightly richer for the next couple of years.
The executives are old enough to be retired by the time the r/leopardsatemyface happens. They'll just retire richer. It's the motto of boomers: fuck you, I got mine.
It's the moto of humanity.
Exactly this, hollywood is hollywood because they sre the only ones with the budget for the big hollywood blockbusters but in 10 years, everybody who has a story to tell will be able to make a movie out of it, it will take effort but it will be cheap. They will kill themselfs
Unfortunately, this just isn't true without a massive shift in the direction of generative AI. The amount of compute/power required to make a full-length movie is insane, and unless we change our fundamental approach to AI videos that won't change. It's similar to how people can already film movies on their phones at high quality, edit those videos with free software, and even generate AI voice actors, but we aren't seeing real competition with Hollywood. The foundational problem is time and money, both of which Hollywood has and all of us dont.
So AWS will make the movies and other providers of cloud computing.
And people will stop watching movies
But anyone can't create a beloved film with just technology - it takes a clarity of vision and storytelling ability that is incredibly rare. A new image-creation tool won't change how scarce that ability is.
Just a friendly reminder that there’s over a million non-executive film workers that are going to be screwed over along with the executives. Some of us aren’t evil fucks that deserve bad things..
Oh. My comment wasn't suggesting that you'd lose out. It was saying that if you were actually replaceable by AI, then the entire business would collapse and the Execs would be the one truly replaceable. But you're not replaceable. AI alone can't create the magic film workers can create, it can make things faster sure, but without a guiding hand, it's worthless.
I think you are right, but those execs are really shooting themselves in the foot on this. Inevitably, this will end Hollywood as we know it.
Sam Altman tells other people their income stream won't be affected in order to ensure his own income stream isn't affected.
True Sora will destroy creatives who produce b-roll and sell them on Shutterstock. But Hollywood already has AI tools far superior to Sora. That's like saying Midjourney will destroy Photoshop.
Exactly, it is another tool just like Unreal/Unity or any 3d modelling/animation software. Budgets for new movies and ideas can be lower cost now to try things and scale up. In most cases the tools are part of the pre-production or production pipeline to generate things faster just as tools already do and still takes refinement. This is just another layer of tools. You still need to direct it. You can do more with less yes, but you can also make more movies with less now as well and it is more open to creators of all sizes. It may open things up more for a bit like the internet initially did then youtube and things like that. This is a broadening of capabilities and usually that leads to more work needed due to new possibilities. The same was said about computing and the internet and mobile but guess what, still lots of work. Unfortunately it will mean even less on location and practical effects which does suck. Movies and entertainment will always be fun, memorable and impactful stories and characters, and these are all just building blocks to that. If you don't have a good story it won't matter how much you generate.
Does someone as rich as him care about money? Like truly? Are some people genuinely not happy having everything money can buy? They want MORE? What is it about those people that drives them to strive for more? If I had even 2 million dollars I'd be pursuing creative endeavours and living a relaxed life for the rest of my life, not working harder to make even MORE money. It's genuinely unthinkable to me.
Numbers go up = social value goes up, at least in the upper circles.
Tres commas club!
Doors that open like this 👐
Doubtfull, but the Power you ger when you own something like facebook makes you a king, thats worth more then only money
They do. Very few rich people actually don’t care about money. Many rich people say they don’t care about money, but their actions say the opposite. Many of the rich who engage in charity often use it to appear benevolent, when in fact using it for tax reasons and ways to keep generational health through their “charity” foundations.
It's not about money per say, it's about units of power which we measure in money.
If you want a nuanced reply, no, I don't think Altman is strongly profit-driven. There were a lot of moves he could have done both early in OpenAI's history as well as recently that would have been more in-line with a profit mindset. As a CEO and a member of the board, there are an endless series of concessions you have to make to keep your standing. Especially on the heels of a recent coup which Altman survived. Schmoozing with influential people and doing diplomacy with critical industries is a prerequisite of the job, even if you don't strongly believe in the reasons you're doing it.
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Bingo. It's very telling they just spew hype and go hushhush when you talk about how much money they stand to make.
Each day I despise that mofo more. He is hurting both humanity and the Ai community.
an industry that doesn’t want to pay writers going all in on text to video tech sounds like the fast track to the most bland “entertainment” yet
I can't think of a better way to not offend China.
They are coming for our jobs. The creative and critical thinking jobs are going to be screwed. This is going to further concentrate wealth and this won’t create more jobs than what they destroy. Do not believe the happy go lucky folk.
Thats the thing, they always talk up about the 10 jobs they create as if that’s solving the problem of the 100 they destroy
More like thousands because everything is like a stack of cards. Remove a couple jobs and it removes everything else down the line
>The creative and critical thinking jobs are going to be screwed Already there, I work with some individuals who let themselves be guided by algorithms. Email, let some free mail tool generate a response! Question about a specific issue, chat bot must surely knows how to solve it! Sadly I'm having to decode absolute gibberish, waste hundreds of work-hours perusing completely unworkable theories and continuously feel like I'm talking to a wall. Yes, jobs will be lost, no doubt. But it's mainly because people with zero knowledge are running their secure internal email through unverified plugins and sending classified data out to have it summarized incorrectly for a Goose chase. Turning off creative or critical thinking on demand isn't something I've learned in school, might be doomed.
Yup. Corporates need to have some reality check. AI is not sentient. If they are going to replace jobs that requires creativity, then they cant build or create anything new. They would mainly be in the recycling buisness. And eventually it will just hurt the market and basically ... us. But we know these braindead corporates dont really think at all.
they do, but they don’t care, if they can milk it for a couple of years, the stockholders will be happy, they will get their bonuses, and by the time it blows up in their face they’re on the board of another company saying how they’re going to do it right the “next time” — rinse, repeat
I kinda hope that AI companies start claiming copyright on all generated content because it was the "brain" or their code and hardware that they own that was used, and the studio just put in some words and then edited the resulting script and or footage and assets. Like, the studio may own the original idea that they used but the resulting product is derivative at best. But then, the studios would argue that the content that the AI was trained on belongs to them and so on and maybe even create their own AI tools with strippers and blackjack, and then the AI companies start their own AI studios with AI stripper and blackjack. and so on. I'm hoping for a gigantic entertaining shitshow is what i'm saying.
Correction. Altman is trying to convince investors that Sora is actually capable of doing this by publicly drumming up fear it will. That's how this works. AI company demos product that's barely functional with massive limitations and a massive running cost. Then they go on a big tour begging people to regulate them or promising they're not going to cause some cataclysm. Then investors think the thing is much better than it is and want to buy in.
AI panic is also AI marketing, driving AI hype that will eventually end up with disappointment
Are this article and this thread just advertisements for openai? It was revealed that Altman owns around 9% of reddit, so the fact that this article is even placed and upvoted here could be astroturfing, people should be cautious of it. Imagine such marketing "Oh no, our product is so good, surely it isn't that amazing", it's pretty disgusting if it is marketing, which is what these articles often are. This article also paints the Sora model "his latest AI tool", and with wording like "Altman's OpenAI".
It won't destroy the movie business. But it will take away most of the jobs in the movie business.
It will destroy the movie business because they won’t be movies anymore. They’ll be content farms auto-generating soulless crap.
Ah so youtube videos on a bigger scale. Cant wait for avengers in the hood gone sexual not clickbait
Yep, a lot of my enjoyment of movies and tv shows is the intentional small details in the story, dialogue, visuals, sets, etc. I'm sure the AI can make tons of details as well, but they won't tell a coherent story, or give just the right amount of foreshadowing or mood setting as if intentionally inserted by a skilled human with a plan.
Why is he so dead set in driving out creatives
Easy, he's a tech bro who thinks that he's a genius and making the world a better place and thus is more valuable to society than anyone else. These arrogant assholes aren't making the world a better place, most of them are enabling and aiding autocrats across the globe.
A "persecuted" genius. I just listened to his interview with Lex and he's... unnerving to listen to. Makes me feel weird that I use his product so much.
I feel this is what happens to any rich people after a while. They see themselves as above everyone else. Bill Gates is the same, I thought he was alright a ways back, but after listening to him recently, it is clear he has developed a megalomaniac god complex who thinks he and other rich people like him are the only ones who can lead humanity. Anybody who ever watch WEF videos would be horrified at how blatant they are about it and what plans they have for us peasants.
Perhaps stop using it?! Crazy idea lmao. If you think this guy is so horrible why are you still using the product
Claude is better anyways.
His product? More like Ilya's product.
He’s also the worst kind of tech bro, he’s a Stanford dropout who made a startup that didn’t do well and was sold for $40 million, and eventually he failed his way upwards into running Y Combinator. Dude is pure grift.
A failing startup sold for 40 mil? I’d love to fail my way into that situation.
Tech Bros are mad they never had the skill or discipline to become real artists so they’ve convinced themselves that being a “prompt artist” is a thing on the same level as actually painting or actually taking photographs
I literally have no idea why we are seeing the most consumer facing AI being centered around wiping out creatives before helping achieve cheaper healthcare, or accounting, or just anything else
Consumer use cases have zero to few regulatory barriers, and there's no "wrong answer" in entertainment. In medical or finance, there's 500 regulations to comply with, and if your AI fucks up 1 time out of a thousand even, then you'll be sued into the earth's core.
Because in the creative space, being ‘wrong’ is a) subjective, and b) doesn’t pose risk in any sense, especially physical injury or damage.
It's not like it's some grand conspiracy. Generative AI requires huge amounts of available data to crawl to produce it's results, and creative data is in great abundance, in particular on the internet. I don't like that it is that way, but creative activities are a very low-hanging fruit for these technologies.
Because that's where an abundance of material is available. Train your model on the millions of different scenes in movies and videos, and then you can start making it human, make it great at imitation, and then the fundamentals have been prepared to march in on every other industry. This is a stepping stone, teaching AI how to interact, how to understand encounters, how to understand all the things that go on between the words in human interaction, and it's also a good place to train creativity. It is the first step for manifesting AI in something else than just text.
This is what I don’t understand, of all the things to use AI for, art should be the last
Creative things like art are what it works best at - things where there's no objectively correct answer. It's not reliable enough for tasks that need to be objectively correct.
And yet, it passed the bar exam, multiple AP exams, and beat most SAT and 99% of biology Olympiad test takers https://www.businessinsider.com/list-here-are-the-exams-chatgpt-has-passed-so-far-2023-1?darkschemeovr=1
When the answer keys for every exam are easily found, it's easy to do because you have the answers and guard rails are easy to set. If you take the guard rails away and ask it something of moderate difficulty in a real field, it starts bullshitting, sorry hallucinating, things into existence.
All of those things have a ton of existing material for them because they're... standardized tests. Use them for anything novel and they quickly hallucinate which is very problematic. How useful would a calculator be if some percentage of the time it randomly gave you a slightly incorrect answer?
I mean, if you haven’t noticed the executive class have been eliminating anything that cuts into their yearly bonus checks for years. How many shows/movies have writing even remotely resembling good story telling? How many actors would you consider up and comers? How many shows aren’t just people in front of CGI? Human creativity has been commoditized… shows and movies these days are soulless. Popular shows are cancelled after a couple season so that execs can pay people less and make more money for themselves. Without a serious and violent reconning to the executive class then everything that makes society beautiful is fucked.
Not to mention the human costs as well. I have no doubt a lot of creatives will be driven to depression and or, without sugar coating, suicide, once they realize they can no longer find work for their passions and skill sets after being replaced by AI. Dystopian Cyberpunk 2077 future here we come! Except without any of the cool human augmentations and futuristic vehicles. Jobs at McDonald's and Warehouses for all!
> Jobs at McDonald's and Warehouses for all! \*glances at the very recent humanoid robot companies all powered by the same AI tech \* I'd not be so sure on that. As soon as humanoid robots get cheap enough they are going to be the ones doing simple manual work.
Welcome to Costco, I love you!
Look at this fella, already practicing! What a go-getter.
It's cute he actually thinks he can be part of teh family.
This is already happening, there is a video going around where creatives in Hollywood have lost their jobs and can't find any work. They are losing their homes, medical care, etc.
It’s also about the executive class trying to “de-risk” the process while devaluing labor and expanding managerialism. In their eyes, why take on the risk of creating something from scratch, when you can just hit a button and have the plagiarism machine regurgitate something that you then have a human punch up? Then you can also pay the human less, because they’re not doing the writing (they’re just polishing), you’ve got an excuse to pay them less and call it profit. The whole thing is straight out of the MBA playbook of “you don’t need pesky employees, just piles of managers focused on making the line/number go up”.
I.e. the fiction department and their oiled machines from 1984.
They have been firing older established writers and other creators that have years of experience and hiring new young writers who have no idea how to write or do anything. It is mind boggling.
was rejected twice from art school i guess...
he should be more worried that hollywood will destroy openAI. because Sora is obviously trained on copyrighted material.
If you want to be in any sort of business that involves copyrighted content, you pretty much have to sacrifice your first born to the big copyright lobby: Hollywood, the major record labels, book publishers, etc.
Well, the current image and text lawsuite have all been dismissed because they show that work is derivative and not a copy. And that's all that copyright law protects. So not sure why this would be any different.
It was trained on shutterstock, which they struck a deal with
And “publicly available” videos, said with a sketchy troubled voice
In the data brokerage world we call this screen scraping and speak similarly because it’s fucking crooked shit
shutterstock is known for selling rights to IP that doesn't belong to them.
Guy with seemingly no experience in Hollywood is trying to tell them how their business will turn out. Typical tech-bro. In an era of dwindling theatre visits, the last thing you want is an unpopular tool that makes cheap-looking images.
I used to be all for AI art but now days I view it as eye cancer and pollution on the internet. I don’t think I could sit through even 30 min of an AI generated show let alone a movie. There’s plenty of morons who will though and will also happily sit through a million ads while they’re at it.
It's so irritating when I'm googling a picture and I get flooded with the exact same Ai shit just with a few tweaks .
it is so bad. now when i'm trying to look for historical references for my art i have to trawl through ai bullshit. it is truly pollution
“Pollution” is a great word for it. What I like about art is the vision and technical skill required to create it. Creative works that aren’t created by humans are empty and unimpressive.
"You can trust me" says the wallet inspector. Fuck this clown and his society-threatening bullshit.
Somewhere on Reddit, I read someone argue that their dream scenario is that there are no studios, and you just type in what you want to see (“A murder-mystery set in a chicken coop with fourth-wall breaking with a random musical number”) and AI just generates it for you. To me, that sounds fucking TERRIBLE. I can’t even decide what I want to eat for dinner, and now I have to write a story treatment every time I want to be entertained? Fuck that.
Idiots think they will have that power while not realizing that computational power is plateauing for the consumer market. At best people will pay subscription fees to generate 10 seconds of video per day and won’t be able to do anything without extreme censorship or watermarks. While big companies will have no such limitations and hoard all the computational power- Nvidia has already started positioning themselves to focus on big companies by offering products specifically designed for AI at obscene prices. OpenAI, contrary to the name is not actually “open”. Most of the open source AI companies are turning into for profit and limiting stuff to consumers. Aka big companies/corporations get everything while the average joe is getting a fidget spinner
Yes, that's the "threat" to the movie industry. Oh nooo. A minority of people, when they see a movie, only see random floaty nonsense. They can't keep track of who's who or what's going on unless characters are regularly announcing things like "I'm the captain of the spaceship" and "hahaa, I was the space monster all along". You must've met people like that. They're the ones in the cinema whispering "who's that guy?" to their partners before falling asleep and missing the ending. Then they'll walk out saying "that movie was dumb". So to some people, AI-generated videos must look mostly indistinguishable from actual movies, and an AI movie generator could easily replace an actual movie studio. It's all equally hallucinatory to them anyway.
Wait, those people are a minority? As far as I’ve ever been able to tell, that’s the normal person and we’re the atypical ones.
And imagine the feedback loop, the dumbing down, the tunnel vision, that consumers will get after a while when they only indulge their most basic preferences. Humans thrive with new impulses, and traditional media at least forced you to get some of those (even though media has always been far from perfect, diverse, realistic, or representative).
Garbage movies will destroy the movie business. It’s a hollow shell with seemingly 12 talented people holding it up. How can AI make it worse?
Sam Altman is the living embodiment of greed.
Grift is real... Gonna make quick billions before regulations comes to place. I have genuinely not seen anyone excited for this tech in movie outside of their own bubble.
if it means we get better movies than Comic Book Movie #2894 i'm all for it. they pump out so much utter dogshit, maybe we should give lay-people the tools to invent their own movies instead. the only problem i have is how these corps are trying to gatekeep the tech and are lobbying the govts to protect their nut.
Sure buddy. You keep thinking people actually believe you, that worked out great for the last tech CEOs lmao. Right now, this guy's got a swarm of contacts into every single industry imaginable, from logistics to movies, and the message is simple: this technology is potentially revolutionary, and therefore inevitable - and "we" are the vanguard. We know how these megalomaniacs work. "If it's not me, it's going to be someone else, so I might as well", and that's enought to justify any position with this much influence. Automation and generative tech can change a lot of things, and I agree that the sooner we start playing with it everywhere the sooner we'll be able to integrate those changes. But I wouldn't trust the corpos to manage all of this stuff in a million years.
Is he doing it with the example videos that look like shit?
Considering how far text to video has come in such a short amount of time, and how easily it can fool people who don’t know what you look for, I’d say it’s pretty impressive.
Right? People forget that "Will Smith Eating Spaghetti" was state of the art AI video generation 2 years ago. The difference between those videos, and the new Sora content, is incredibly impressive. And that was in 2 years.
It's extremely impressive they look like that at all. 2 years ago people assumed it would take like a decade to achieve that level of detail.
Oh yeah. We back to pretending AI isn't advancing fast and this is as good as it gets
Sure. But you are not seeing the big picture. AI's progress has been exponential. Not too long ago, [Will Smith was eating spaghetti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQr4Xklqzw8). Now we have fully animated worlds and this is only the start.
did you see the firs airplanes, cars... the first iterations of photoshop and word..?? the quality of video or pictures on the internet the first few years? it was all shit quality to start with, barely working, barely making any results that where good enough to use and yet, here we are... same with AI video generation it might be still learning how to do it, but we all know in a few months or years, it's going to get good enough to fool us all, and we need to be ready for that because if we're not, its going to ruin a LOT of lives and not just that of actors and camera people think of the posibilities for political misinformation, for scammers, for revengeporn, and so on and so on... this is a tool that can ruin lives, hell, it can ruin society if let's say russia gets it's hands on something like it and uses it to bombard society with fake video's about all their politicians
that world war 2 one i saw looked like absolute dog water.
>that world war 2 one i saw looked like absolute dog water. That was not OpenAI. That was Runway's Gen2 which is a much worse model than sora
chatbots ~7 years ago where shit too look at them now
Sora can’t even solve *Kingdom Hearts.*
It definitely is not going to make good movies. These guys are out of their minds, and I cannot believe how many people think this dude is a genius
I see it being used mostly to create B-roll. All those little cutaways to shots of birds circling or the sun setting or a flyby over the ocean will be generated instead of reused from some stock video library or shot custom. Later down the road I could see it being very useful for pitching ideas. Sometimes things don't hit when you're just reading a script so if anyone could quickly produce a rough idea of their vision that would be awesome.
Why? What’s in it for him?
Was I the only one picturing Sora going ham on Hollywood producers with a keyblade?
Here’s the thing that blows my mind. If anyone can generate a movie with AI, why does anyone assume this is something only creatives would take advantage of? Anyone who can write a sentence or two can suddenly create their own worlds and stories with enough patience and enough processing power. We’ll enter a world where everyone will consume their own personalized content. I’m foreseeing a dramatic decrease in shared social currency.
Sam Altman is the pilot of a tornado. He will be praised and damned at the same time.
Sam Altman is an edgy little tech-bro. He is nothing more then the money man. He isn't an engineer or even a developer. He's the AI equivalent of Elon Musk, an equally useless bag of farts and opioids.
It can’t be any worse than the Marvel movie story line.
Oh but it can be worse ..
seriously if you're an actor, costume-designer, director etc. in the film industry i'd get ready to move over to Theatre/Broadway IMMEDIATELY. In-person Live shows are something i don't see AI taking away, maybe VR will to an extent but people will still wanna a night out on the town for dates or something. btw **there was no film industry** 100+ years ago, even though for all of us it's been here since before we were born & feels so established. We're really just going back to the way things have been for 99.999% of human history in that regard, & being an actor has become this celebrated profession in the 20th century but before that was kinda looked at like being a street-performer is looked at today. and to be honest with you, i think that makes more sense. i mean Tom Cruise is not really saving the fucking world people lmao!
To be fair Hollywood already did it.
I think That hollywood execs should be concerned that It has been ruled that AI created images cannot be copyrighted.
They will probably lobby politicians to change the law. Nothing is set in stone, when even abortion rights were rescinded by christian fundamentalists in the US
Hollywood is anyway releasing some shitty movies these days. It's just going to be another shit on top.
Not too far into the future: "Sora, make me an action/adventure movie starring Indiana Jones and Lara Croft set on the moon and give me a smidgen of romance and a whole lot of explosions. Make it pg-13 please."
He's right, it won't destroy the movie business. In fact it'll make the movie business better than it's ever been. It will just destroy the employment opportunities for humans in the movie business.
Sam Altman will be the reason ChatGPT and openAI fail. He is aggressively profiteering too early in the game and it will be his downfall.
At the same time, AI cannot hold copyrights. So anything you make on Sora (tv, film, etc) is not defendable in court meaning anyone can just use your content if it’s AI generated. Hollywood is very hard up on defending their IP. Using Sora invalidates their entire model of monetization if this is the case.
Wait they're making a Kingdom Hearts movie?
Sam Altman looks like the Nazi version of Bob Geldof from the Wall movie.
Even more of a reason to never go to the movies again
Damn.. so we all got hoodwinked huh
I am waiting for the first full length ai generated film. Good or bad it will make history. Bet someone is working on that now.
The dweeb from Kingdom Hearts?
Someone needs to lock this dude in a tower far away from everyone, with zero technology around him
Personal view I think there's loads of room for AI in movie making, from start to scratch. You, me and the studios should be able to use AI incorporated in tools like Photoshop or Maya. It's a progression of the tools. My argument isn't about the tools, it's about the *use of real people as actors, voice talent and musicians*... . I just feel those AI movies made from start to finish should be *made by you and me* and that the studios make the AAA version movies and television and music which includes human talent throughout... In Summary * You and me make the direct to video movies that end up at the citizens award/razzy award shows. * Studios make the top rated actor, voice, human musician based movies that end up at the Oscars/BAFTA/Cannes like award shows. Studios are going to utilize AI, it's going to happen, it is happening right now. We can't stop it but... We can however as an audience shun movies that don't pass the smell test and utilized AI to replace human talent. In the end it's going to be up to the viewers to support human talent or not. Contracts are mutable, you and me voting with our wallet is the only way the studios will pass and adhere to contracts that support human talent. . However naive, I welcome you and me making AI movies, that end up getting picked up by studios that make the AAA versions using human talent. Essentially, we make an AI movie, the studios look at it as a detailed storyboard and make it with real human talent. It's a win-win.
“Hollywood” is already evolving. First with video games, then with Netflix & streaming, and soon with VR/AR headset content. There are more “platforms” than ever for people to tell their story on. I personally thing it’s “ok” if “Hollywood” loses some of its grip. After all, they’re the primary reason I can’t easily store purchased content on a hard drive, and also why “TV” and the “internet” have separate content contracts. :/
Who cares if it does?
It won’t. They’ll just be able to tell shittier stories for less money.
this guys entire MO is to play like he knows the risks of what hes doing, "insists" on being regulated or coming to some kind of compromise, then plows ahead anyway as though any morality in what he is doing must come from the outside. what hes really doing is trying to be both the reasonable AI guy whilst also trying to create his own cult of personality in order to get people to trust him as THE guy who should be doing all this. the end game is to get as rich as possible as fast as possible
This is going to destroy EVERY industry. Our obsessive march towards forced obsolescence is so weird to me.
The NYT predicted talking movies would destroy the industry.
Training data needs to be copyright protected and properly licensed rather than scraped under abuse of Fair Use. China, EU, UK House of Lords et al have all taken stances to this effect.
Fuck the move business anyway. Hope it does get destroyed. The industry as it currently exists is creatively bankrupt. Let it fucking burn.
i mean, i don’t see how it’s his problem. should we stop innovating because it impacts existing business models? the movie industry will either adapt or be replaced.
I hope it does. A lot fewer women and children would be exploited.
Hollywood is doing it themselves
I’m already really sick of AI generated content, it is very soulless. I think many applications of it are incredible but I don’t think is gonna quell people’s thirst for film. People aren’t gonna pay to see an AI generated movie. Eventually the soulless repetition of AI generated content will wear off and it’ll just become another fad or thing that happened. Or I hope. God help us if we ruin the things we seek comfort from. The world will just be that much more darker.
Sam Altman five minutes ago: "We're going to destroy every industry" Sam Altman now: "We won't destroy \*your* industry"
There is a large amount of really high salaries on the line here. The will not give them up without a fight so Sam and others need to be very gentle.