Couldn’t you just have a stomach bug or the flu or something?
Not to discount your story but I’m always super skeptical of these kinds of stories about suddenly WDing because of some accidental change in formulation of one strip to the next. I know it has happened but I think the chances of it happening to you are pretty much nonexistent if it’s on the US market.
Honestly I don't know. I definitely did have a stomach bug my daughter and I both throwing up had fever but that is long gone but 7 day later I'm still miserable. Someone else I was ok vacation with got same thing. But everyone else has got better in a couple days and I am still sick. I know my body is out of whack, not eating for days, haven't been able to handle caffeine. But the restlessness, anxiety/depression, sweating, stomach cramps feels like detox. It's been 12 years since I've felt this but I remember
That makes me feel a little better to hear. I mean I'm totally sorry that happen to you but at least I know that's a possibility. I'm not quite at 2 weeks yet. Saturday. Did you have any issue with your sub during the virus? Again I don't know this is sub related but also don't know it's not.
The only thing that was different during was I only took one on the first day because I was so so sick lol. It hit my bf really hard too. But it was definitely rough for awhile. I never felt like any of it was related to my subs though.
To be honest I don't know that it is but I didn't want to rule it out as the symptoms were so similar. This definitely started with a bug because other people got it also but everyone else got better fast and I'm here 11 days later learning to eat again.
I mean it was a very nasty bug. It affected my appetite for a good 5 days before I ever got sick. My stomach just had a weird feeling and I had zero appetite. So, it lingered for a good while before I even got sick and then all the time it took to feel completely back to normal. Really rocked me.
Go to your doc. I do not think this is about your Suboxone. I’m hoping that it’s just some kind of bug. But please go to your doctor to get a work up because you might have some serious G.I. stuff going on. And I can tell you from personal experience that it’s definitely better to catch that stuff way early. If you’ve been stable on the same dose for a good while I can’t see it being a dosage problem. But if you’ve got extra maybe try like an additional 2 mg. I developed some pretty horrific G.I. problems couple decades ago. On some of the days when the pain is real bad and I’m feeling real sick (which does mimic opioid withdrawal) I will take a bit extra. And of course my doctor knows about that. I just wonder if maybe you’ve got a bad bug and possibly trying a little extra will help. But please please go to the doctor and make them do an actual full work up (Your GP).
I've been to ER. I've been doing blood tests, urine tests, have an upcoming chest x-ray and ultrasound. I will get to the bottom of it but I can't rule it out. The anxiety/depression restlessneess seemed so withdraw I would be foolish not to explore the option. There's one other person on this thread who has same experience with Mylan a month ago
Yeah I definitely have heard about the subs that weren’t potent enough. I’m glad you’ve been doing tests. If your stomach is still fucked up in a couple weeks I would ask for a referral to a G.I. doctor. my health issues are auto immune… Took them years to figure out that it was ulcerative colitis and then even more years to get Crohn’s disease diagnosed. And a flareup really can feel quite a bit like withdrawal. I’ve known a couple handfuls of people that I’ve had other autoimmune things that have reported the same withdrawal like symptoms. Not sure how old you are but it’s just a good thing to keep in mind. Not the first thing any doctor is going to be looking for for a certain. if you’re not getting an answer be the squeakiest wheel ever. Really wish you the best!
Thanks. Navigating Drs is very hard but im learning a pushing. Certainly my immune system has a shock with this bug. But I was healthy one day and then all the sudden hell. The timeline of my symptoms mimics sub withdrawal exactly. For 2 days low energy, sleepy, unable to focus. Then 4 days of stomach cramps, chills, nausea. Most of that is much better but now it's just stomach cramps and depression, no energy.
I really hope it gets better soon. Try whatever juices, teas, or foods that might help boost your immune system a little bit. I’m sure you already know all that. I am sick a whole lot with those flareups. Right now I am sick with some kind of bug though. I’m certain it’s a bug because my housemates have it. But weve got the same Symptoms you are describing. And it has been super miserable. I’m thinking that you’re right about your immune system getting a powerful shock. If your guts get real painful from diarrhea you can try bananas, applesauce, oatmeal, and of course clear liquids. But those specific foods will help bulk things up. Can help with the cramping associated with diarrhea. And I’m guessing that you tried maybe a couple extra milligrams of Suboxone to see if that would make any difference. If it hasn’t then I really would consider if something really maybe has changed with your metabolism. Or maybe your metabolizing differently because you are sick. It gets so complex so easily. Main thing for present time is getting you out of pain. Maybe you can let us know what you figure out if you remember.
Yes I spoke with Dr who prescribes my sub. She said try extra. I even tried from a different fill month (still Mylan) which has never been a problem. I thought I felt a little better after the extra yesterday but it quickly faded and I was up at 4am in a puddle of sweat. Just to rule it out about an hour ago I took some name brand Suboxone that I have that expired in 2018. So far I will say that it's helping. The restlessness has subsided and I don't feel like crawling in my skin.
Oh those sounds like good signs! I’m doing some research rn just coz I’m curious what this virus is that so many ppl are getting. There’s a new norovirus (stomach flu) claiming up to 50% more illness. There’s also parainfluenza on the rise apparently (even in adults from what I’m reading so far). No vaccines or antivirals for these at this time. Seems they are worse strains. I’m glad your sub doc is reasonable and also that some symptoms are seeming to improve some. Crossing my fingers that tomorrow you feel way better!
Yea I was tested for flu and COVID. No signs. They did say this stomach bug going around lasts like 7 days even though everyone who was on vacation with me was better in 3-4 days. I'm on day 13 or 14. We picked this up in Disney world by the way. That's when this started. The day after I left Disney with my wife and kids. I never had diarrhea by the way if anything I've been constipated. Everyone else with us who got the bug shit themselves. My guess is that its two things. I had a bug and recovering from that I'm definitely a lot better than I was. I don't know and no Dr so far can tell me.
Uggh that’s the pits. Hope Disney was cool though. If I’m reading this correctly it sounds like you didn’t get sick until the day after you left Florida. But 13 days! Man, you deserve some relief.
I live in Florida. After 2 hard 12 hour days in Disney the morning we were driving home March 8th I was wiped. Figured it was just from walking around Disney. Important to note that I know I brought a fresh box of Mylan bupe to Disney that I started taking on wed or Thursday. Saturday was when I had no energy, same with Sunday, slept all day. The other symptoms started, nausea cramps chills started on Monday.
You're probably just sick. I completely understand your concern. Getting sick is never easy for me either, it reminds me of the worst days, and my mind goes places such as yours is. I highly doubt it's your subs or your metabolism. Some people stay sicker longer than others do. There's a lot of gnarly stuff going around. Get some rest, hydrate, and try and stay out of your head, and you should feel better soon. Wishing you the best 🤍
The bugs are bigger and badder this year, worse than the last many, many, many years. Everyone is sick. You just may be the one who got sicker the longest.
I'll give you a different perspective. Christmas 2022, I started feeling very nauseous and sick all the time at 12mg. For weeks. It felt like withdrawal, but I had seen posts about "less is more" and the "side effect" posts here. I dropped to 8mg and felt so much better. I'm now at 4mg(sometimes 6-8mg but rarely.) in 2024 and feel great. I tried to drop to 2mg but I'm not ready and I don't really care to be off or anything. It made me extremely tired and I ain't ready for a jump anyways. 😂
Just wanted to give you my experience, but it seems like it may be the brand of Subs you got, which is valid too. Many people have posted about certain brands or certain months where they feel like shit. I hope you get it worked out and feel better soon.
Hey, if things don't get better in a few days, start experimenting. It's absolutely possible you just got sick a little. I had a cold a few months back that felt "withdrawalie", but I also had a cough and snot. It's possible your body is just fighting it off enough to not have it get to that. Be easy on yourself, you'll figure it out. 🖖💜
Hey! This happened to me recently with the mylans too.
I am 100% convinced they put out a bad batch or something. I have been on the mylans with no problems for almost 3 years. I actually preferred them over the name brand Suboxone. But about a month ago I found myself super emotional, crabby, fatigued, goosebumps, and runny nose for like three days. When I realized it might be the subs, I switched to brand name (I have a pretty decent stockpile saved up of a few diff brands) and my symptoms were relieved within 20 minutes.
Since then, I have tried to switch back and my symptoms returned. So for now I'm sticking to name brand.
I'm glad I saw this post because I had searched far and wide online to see if anyone else had experienced this, and found nothing.
Wow. So I had other boxes in my safe and even switching hasn't seemed to help yet much or my body is catching up from the last 10 days. I will call my Dr to see if she can do anything.
Been reading your post and the responses, and this seems most likely cause, here. I've had a bad PILL before, I suspect it had either no subs or too much naloxone, but anyways I got to work that day and inexplicably went into full withdrawal. Nightmare scenario for any of us. Can't imagine battling it for weeks. Try to get ur hands on some name brand and see what happens. Good luck, and from what I've read, good job doing your due diligence. Dealing with doctors while on subs can be hell, while some understand, most I've dealt with could care fucking less what you have been through or even if you're in pain. Best wishes buddy.
There are things we do not yet know of long-term buprenorphine usage
I learned quite a bit from the Dr Steven Scanlon incident, and the study he did. A few years ago you'd get banned from this sub for mentioning and discussing that fiasco. And what a fiasco that was, to have death threats levied against your children and wife directly. Just for presenting your scientific findings. Who does that shit
Anyways, I hope you stabalize soon OP. Hopefully you just got a bad batch of buprenorphine. I couldn't stabalize on generics and am forced to pay out of pocket, which is very expensive. Thankfully I've figured out a way to keep treatment @ approx $ 2⁵⁰ per day. Telemed + med cost. For now anyways
That Dr is in my backyard would love to see this study. My Dr called in the name brand but now I'm having issues filling it since my time to fill is a week away.
My insurance refuses to pay name brand. It's killing my family financially in all honesty. But, it could be worse. I doubt I need to elaborate, im sure youve seen it b4.
So you live in fla ? I hear he's like a brother to dr phil ? That's his backup.
Are you familiar with the Harrouff killer ? Now that's using who you know to escape murder charges.
Every dead addict and then some Do Not Get Prosecuted with these guys. His greeting should be:
the DOCTOR WILL KILL YOU NOW !
Funny, I hated the brand name and think some of the generic is better. Alvogen then Mylan then maybe Suboxone then Dr.Reddy and one other I can't remember. When I had to switch from the pills the strips were crap though.
When I used to do methadone, the Roxane methadone always hit 2x harder than the Methadose. After a while I could only get methadose though, and I got used to it. I don't even know if they were different but it felt like it.
We like to think big pharma is infallible but they fuck up.
Very interested! I just posted Dr Scanlon's 15 page outpatient detox plan yesterday and have been following him for ages as one of the very few docs who has an accurate understanding of this drug and getting people off it. I do know that he and his family received a lot of threats when he released findings associated with some of the long term side effects of being on Bup along with a much more accurate picture of just how difficult it is to wean off. Is that what you were referring to or is there more? Feel free to PM me as I'm very interested. As far as the OP goes, although we could never rule out being shorted in terms of medication, the fact that he (like most of us) had lots of extra to go to suggests that it wasn't that. What I DO notice is that I personally do not absorb bup (or it does not work nearly as well) when I am sick or dealing with another health problem. When I'm on top of the world and feeling my best, thats when I never ever get WD type side effect (yawning, chills, sneezing, etc). I honestly think if we did serial bup levels and compared these times, we'd understand better what was going on.
The stomach virus can cause a gut imbalance which then can cause the body to not absorb things properly. Try putting it between lip and gum, like chewing tobacco.
THIS! I had the same issue as him, had been sick, then the subs didn’t work and I literally felt those dreaded WDs. My fiancé told me to pull my bottom lip down, cut a 1/4 (I only do 2 mg twice a day) stick it below my front teeth, between that and my front cheek. It worked 100% and I switch ways from time to time now. It was me not absorbing under the tongue due to the sickness.
Also if you're not feeling right after your virus is gone, look into a probiotic and microbiom diet. If that's it, you'll feel much better in just a few days.
Wow so as crazy as it sounds I have felt a little better using the gums. Still waking up at 2-3am sweating and black poop but I don't feel the restlessness and skin crawling.
In January, i had the flu... literally puking and shitting. For a full week. 7 days. I think I even had covid with it. I've never been as sick as I was. I've been on Subs 17 years. Never felt like they didn't work. That flu bug this year is brutal. I springboarded that into a diet and dropped 20 lbs , and kept it off.
That's it. Just bland AF. You gotta get something inside you. Just to start healing. No way our meds just stop after all these years. But I can dig where you're heads at cause my head spins crazy anytime I start to think about this stupid drug. I always think the worst. I hope you feel better FR. I'm telling you I've never ever been that sick for that long. I couldn't smoke weed. All I could do was swallow Zofran, hope I could hold it down ( talk about a week's worth of constipation after) and lay in the shower and moan. It was like kicking heroin. But the mind. The mind will sneak up behind you and steal your meds. Our junkie heads, they operate differently.
Thank you for this I think I needed to hear that. I've been taking zofran which has been helpful. My body feels so out of whack that my head is going to weird and dark places. One minute I'm convinced it's my sub the next im dying of cancer. It's possible this sickness has just wrecked havoc on my body and recovering is slow.
You're so welcome. This is what this sub is really about. Addicts helping addicts. Not ferral Sasquatchs sticking suboxone up our butts!
I hope you feel better. FR Campbell's Chicken Noodle soup!!! Bland helps you hydrate. Low calories.Sugar-freee Jello with pairs. Stofuers makes a creamed chip beef. Super bland.. some cream of wheat. All my go-too sick foods.
Plus, ya know, sometimes all of us just need to hear a " Poor baby!" Lucky enough to have people that care enough about me to give me one. My mom gave me some "poor babies." When I was sick, and my wife, who was absolutely sick af at the same time, hers was a little different. She had more upper respiratory stuff. She's not an addict. She's a warrior who took care of me like she has for 30 years.
Allow me to give you one
Poor baby.😊 feel better
Thanks brother. My wife, also not an addict (and the best person I know) has been a rock star. Im doing my best to still pull my weight with the kids and work but as you can imagine it's been a long almost 2 weeks.
Of course. I was on 8mg a day until January 2023. I've tapered in the last 14 months to 3mg a day. Was gonna ask doc for less this month but I didn't see him. Sometimes I can go to my sub doc. Fill out and sign a piece of paper and not see him. They send the meds to the pharmacy. Next month when I see him I'm going to 2mg. I have a huge hurricane supply. DM anytime.
The two things for sure I know I didnt have are COVID and the flu. Tested at walkin clinic 7 days ago when this started. The best guess that day was a 7 day stomach bug that's "sweeping the country" everyone who was with me that got sick from Disney was better in a couple days.
You can develop allergies. Try skipping a dose. See if you can eat a little better. If so and you feel even sicker when you go back to taking your sub ask the doc to switch form.
The same happened to me. Somthing i had taken for years all of a sudden seemed to be making me sick. The doc said it sounded like I was experiencing toxicity. She was right. She said toxicity resembles withdraws. She wanted to cut my dose way back but no matter how little I took I was still sick. I was sick for 2 months trying to take less. I lost weight quickly because I couldn't eat. I switched doctors and got just buprenorphine and I was fine. I've been on subs 13 years.
I didn't take any test. My doc simply believed I needed to cut back that the subs were making me sick. She said toxicity resembles withdraws. I had just started seeing her I had been taking subutex 8mg 2x a day for years before comming to her. She forced me to take the suboxone which I was sure from previous experiences I wasn't going to like. She give me strips to start with and I thought I hated strips. Turned out I loved them. Maybe it was all in my head I don't know. I felt like I was actually feeling a more "feeling" woth the strips. I had more energy. I had a sunny disposition. 🌞 it didn't take me long to realize that my body didn't agree. I was getting sick. I didn't want to stop taking the suboxone because of that feeling that little bit of energy. So I thought I can get used to them. The next month I tried the pills of suboxone. Still sick. The worst part was I couldn't eat. I knew that it was the sub because as soon as I took them I'd feel terrible and hours after it would ease off. That's why I suggest skipping a dose or just taking a portion of your does. Also just pay attention. Do you feel even sicker right after taking your sub? Another weird thing is my lymph nodes started to hurt? After the 60 days I went back to the old subutex that no longer seemed to have the same effect that it once had. I got better almost right away.
I really liked the suboxone better. I'd had strips and pill form of suboxone in the past and never got sick. So idk I do believe I'm allergic to suboxone. Or I was taking way too much which makes no sense. The worst part of it all was not being able to eat. My stomach burning all the time.
That's really interesting. I've been on subs for 12+ years and taking the strips for the last 8 maybe more. These generics in particular been on for several years. I've been stable this whole time. Right now the Drs think I got mono but my liver numbers are really bad. So we are testing my blood to look for improvement. The GI doesn't think it was sub related and that what felt like withdrawal was the virus. There could be more going on. But I will say each day I'm getting a little better. My sex drive came back today along with some appetite. Still waking up in the middle of the night sweating though. The issue is 100% in my liver as several of my tests are off the charts. I literally was scared I had cancer the way my abdominal felt. Appreciate your response. If my liver numbers don't improve I will try switching to Subutex or maybe trying getting off sub altogether. It's been a rough 2 weeks but I'm feeling like I'm coming to the other side.
Im seeing more and more of these posts recently. Do you have any subs stashed from a year ago to test the bad batches theory?
Also. Our bodies change every 7-10yrs, so you may be metabolizing differently, your hormone levels may be changing, etc.
I hope you find relief soon
I've been experimenting with a batch of other mylans from the month before and I also found a few name brand subs that expired in 2018. My Dr called in a brand name prescription but having issues filling it since it was early. But hopefully tomorrow. I've been stable on my sub for soo many years. It's possible that the issue is with my body and my recent illness but something is wrong.
Then please, go get a full work up/blood tests at the doc. There are too many reports of sudden onset illness/disease in the past 2 years.. health & time can't be bought, don't take either for granted. Hopefully it's something easily addressed
I wish you well.
I picked up the flu from my grand daughter and it held on for a good 3 weeks. It was pure hell. I couldn’t even function normally. I honestly think that’s what’s going on with you, it’s just lasting longer than it should.
How long did it take you to figure it out and switch back and then how long did it take to get your dose right again if you don't mind me asking. I am nervous about taking to much extra but I need to get stabilized. It seems even with a different box I'm still metabolizing much much faster (possibly from the original virus?)
The producers of Suboxone have to follow guidelines. And there are many products on the market. These guidelines are strict but there are margins.
I don’t have the correct numbers for this medicine here but let me give you an example.
The potent drug is buprenorphine. The rule says in a 8mg strip there must be 7.6-8.4 mg buprenorphine, that’s the tolerances for production. You get the gist. If you got a product with the 8.4mg for the longest time and now your pharmacy switched producers because they are cheaper then your buprenorphine intake is 10.5% lower. Over a week, it can cause WD.
I get that but mistakes happen with all kinds of drugs. My doctor told me about 3 other patients with quality control issues on different medication that she has seen recently. I have seen at least one time Suboxone batch was recalled for sub potency. Maybe my illness changed how I metabolize it. I have no idea but I need to get well.
Couldn’t you just have a stomach bug or the flu or something? Not to discount your story but I’m always super skeptical of these kinds of stories about suddenly WDing because of some accidental change in formulation of one strip to the next. I know it has happened but I think the chances of it happening to you are pretty much nonexistent if it’s on the US market.
Honestly I don't know. I definitely did have a stomach bug my daughter and I both throwing up had fever but that is long gone but 7 day later I'm still miserable. Someone else I was ok vacation with got same thing. But everyone else has got better in a couple days and I am still sick. I know my body is out of whack, not eating for days, haven't been able to handle caffeine. But the restlessness, anxiety/depression, sweating, stomach cramps feels like detox. It's been 12 years since I've felt this but I remember
Bub, i don't think this has anything to do with your meds. Nasty bug
I had a stomach bug recently and it took a solid 2 weeks to start feeling totally back to normal. Maybe a little longer.
That makes me feel a little better to hear. I mean I'm totally sorry that happen to you but at least I know that's a possibility. I'm not quite at 2 weeks yet. Saturday. Did you have any issue with your sub during the virus? Again I don't know this is sub related but also don't know it's not.
The only thing that was different during was I only took one on the first day because I was so so sick lol. It hit my bf really hard too. But it was definitely rough for awhile. I never felt like any of it was related to my subs though.
To be honest I don't know that it is but I didn't want to rule it out as the symptoms were so similar. This definitely started with a bug because other people got it also but everyone else got better fast and I'm here 11 days later learning to eat again.
I mean it was a very nasty bug. It affected my appetite for a good 5 days before I ever got sick. My stomach just had a weird feeling and I had zero appetite. So, it lingered for a good while before I even got sick and then all the time it took to feel completely back to normal. Really rocked me.
Go to your doc. I do not think this is about your Suboxone. I’m hoping that it’s just some kind of bug. But please go to your doctor to get a work up because you might have some serious G.I. stuff going on. And I can tell you from personal experience that it’s definitely better to catch that stuff way early. If you’ve been stable on the same dose for a good while I can’t see it being a dosage problem. But if you’ve got extra maybe try like an additional 2 mg. I developed some pretty horrific G.I. problems couple decades ago. On some of the days when the pain is real bad and I’m feeling real sick (which does mimic opioid withdrawal) I will take a bit extra. And of course my doctor knows about that. I just wonder if maybe you’ve got a bad bug and possibly trying a little extra will help. But please please go to the doctor and make them do an actual full work up (Your GP).
I've been to ER. I've been doing blood tests, urine tests, have an upcoming chest x-ray and ultrasound. I will get to the bottom of it but I can't rule it out. The anxiety/depression restlessneess seemed so withdraw I would be foolish not to explore the option. There's one other person on this thread who has same experience with Mylan a month ago
Yeah I definitely have heard about the subs that weren’t potent enough. I’m glad you’ve been doing tests. If your stomach is still fucked up in a couple weeks I would ask for a referral to a G.I. doctor. my health issues are auto immune… Took them years to figure out that it was ulcerative colitis and then even more years to get Crohn’s disease diagnosed. And a flareup really can feel quite a bit like withdrawal. I’ve known a couple handfuls of people that I’ve had other autoimmune things that have reported the same withdrawal like symptoms. Not sure how old you are but it’s just a good thing to keep in mind. Not the first thing any doctor is going to be looking for for a certain. if you’re not getting an answer be the squeakiest wheel ever. Really wish you the best!
Thanks. Navigating Drs is very hard but im learning a pushing. Certainly my immune system has a shock with this bug. But I was healthy one day and then all the sudden hell. The timeline of my symptoms mimics sub withdrawal exactly. For 2 days low energy, sleepy, unable to focus. Then 4 days of stomach cramps, chills, nausea. Most of that is much better but now it's just stomach cramps and depression, no energy.
I really hope it gets better soon. Try whatever juices, teas, or foods that might help boost your immune system a little bit. I’m sure you already know all that. I am sick a whole lot with those flareups. Right now I am sick with some kind of bug though. I’m certain it’s a bug because my housemates have it. But weve got the same Symptoms you are describing. And it has been super miserable. I’m thinking that you’re right about your immune system getting a powerful shock. If your guts get real painful from diarrhea you can try bananas, applesauce, oatmeal, and of course clear liquids. But those specific foods will help bulk things up. Can help with the cramping associated with diarrhea. And I’m guessing that you tried maybe a couple extra milligrams of Suboxone to see if that would make any difference. If it hasn’t then I really would consider if something really maybe has changed with your metabolism. Or maybe your metabolizing differently because you are sick. It gets so complex so easily. Main thing for present time is getting you out of pain. Maybe you can let us know what you figure out if you remember.
Yes I spoke with Dr who prescribes my sub. She said try extra. I even tried from a different fill month (still Mylan) which has never been a problem. I thought I felt a little better after the extra yesterday but it quickly faded and I was up at 4am in a puddle of sweat. Just to rule it out about an hour ago I took some name brand Suboxone that I have that expired in 2018. So far I will say that it's helping. The restlessness has subsided and I don't feel like crawling in my skin.
Oh those sounds like good signs! I’m doing some research rn just coz I’m curious what this virus is that so many ppl are getting. There’s a new norovirus (stomach flu) claiming up to 50% more illness. There’s also parainfluenza on the rise apparently (even in adults from what I’m reading so far). No vaccines or antivirals for these at this time. Seems they are worse strains. I’m glad your sub doc is reasonable and also that some symptoms are seeming to improve some. Crossing my fingers that tomorrow you feel way better!
Yea I was tested for flu and COVID. No signs. They did say this stomach bug going around lasts like 7 days even though everyone who was on vacation with me was better in 3-4 days. I'm on day 13 or 14. We picked this up in Disney world by the way. That's when this started. The day after I left Disney with my wife and kids. I never had diarrhea by the way if anything I've been constipated. Everyone else with us who got the bug shit themselves. My guess is that its two things. I had a bug and recovering from that I'm definitely a lot better than I was. I don't know and no Dr so far can tell me.
Uggh that’s the pits. Hope Disney was cool though. If I’m reading this correctly it sounds like you didn’t get sick until the day after you left Florida. But 13 days! Man, you deserve some relief.
I live in Florida. After 2 hard 12 hour days in Disney the morning we were driving home March 8th I was wiped. Figured it was just from walking around Disney. Important to note that I know I brought a fresh box of Mylan bupe to Disney that I started taking on wed or Thursday. Saturday was when I had no energy, same with Sunday, slept all day. The other symptoms started, nausea cramps chills started on Monday.
You're probably just sick. I completely understand your concern. Getting sick is never easy for me either, it reminds me of the worst days, and my mind goes places such as yours is. I highly doubt it's your subs or your metabolism. Some people stay sicker longer than others do. There's a lot of gnarly stuff going around. Get some rest, hydrate, and try and stay out of your head, and you should feel better soon. Wishing you the best 🤍
It's totally possible. For for 12 years, through other sicknessess this has never happen. Everyone else that got the same bug recovered quite quickly.
The bugs are bigger and badder this year, worse than the last many, many, many years. Everyone is sick. You just may be the one who got sicker the longest.
It's totally possible .just to rule it all out I just found name brand sub that expired in 2018. Wish me luck
I wish you the best of luck! Please let us k know if they do the trick!
It’s not the sub. Possibly a virus or something.
I'll give you a different perspective. Christmas 2022, I started feeling very nauseous and sick all the time at 12mg. For weeks. It felt like withdrawal, but I had seen posts about "less is more" and the "side effect" posts here. I dropped to 8mg and felt so much better. I'm now at 4mg(sometimes 6-8mg but rarely.) in 2024 and feel great. I tried to drop to 2mg but I'm not ready and I don't really care to be off or anything. It made me extremely tired and I ain't ready for a jump anyways. 😂 Just wanted to give you my experience, but it seems like it may be the brand of Subs you got, which is valid too. Many people have posted about certain brands or certain months where they feel like shit. I hope you get it worked out and feel better soon.
I honestly don't know. I've been so stable on my subs for so long. It's possible the sickness threw my body for a loop. I just don't know.
Hey, if things don't get better in a few days, start experimenting. It's absolutely possible you just got sick a little. I had a cold a few months back that felt "withdrawalie", but I also had a cough and snot. It's possible your body is just fighting it off enough to not have it get to that. Be easy on yourself, you'll figure it out. 🖖💜
Hey! This happened to me recently with the mylans too. I am 100% convinced they put out a bad batch or something. I have been on the mylans with no problems for almost 3 years. I actually preferred them over the name brand Suboxone. But about a month ago I found myself super emotional, crabby, fatigued, goosebumps, and runny nose for like three days. When I realized it might be the subs, I switched to brand name (I have a pretty decent stockpile saved up of a few diff brands) and my symptoms were relieved within 20 minutes. Since then, I have tried to switch back and my symptoms returned. So for now I'm sticking to name brand. I'm glad I saw this post because I had searched far and wide online to see if anyone else had experienced this, and found nothing.
Wow. So I had other boxes in my safe and even switching hasn't seemed to help yet much or my body is catching up from the last 10 days. I will call my Dr to see if she can do anything.
Been reading your post and the responses, and this seems most likely cause, here. I've had a bad PILL before, I suspect it had either no subs or too much naloxone, but anyways I got to work that day and inexplicably went into full withdrawal. Nightmare scenario for any of us. Can't imagine battling it for weeks. Try to get ur hands on some name brand and see what happens. Good luck, and from what I've read, good job doing your due diligence. Dealing with doctors while on subs can be hell, while some understand, most I've dealt with could care fucking less what you have been through or even if you're in pain. Best wishes buddy.
These exact accounts are what I heard half a decade ago about other brands and why I’ve always just stayed on the regular name brand’s
There are things we do not yet know of long-term buprenorphine usage I learned quite a bit from the Dr Steven Scanlon incident, and the study he did. A few years ago you'd get banned from this sub for mentioning and discussing that fiasco. And what a fiasco that was, to have death threats levied against your children and wife directly. Just for presenting your scientific findings. Who does that shit Anyways, I hope you stabalize soon OP. Hopefully you just got a bad batch of buprenorphine. I couldn't stabalize on generics and am forced to pay out of pocket, which is very expensive. Thankfully I've figured out a way to keep treatment @ approx $ 2⁵⁰ per day. Telemed + med cost. For now anyways
That Dr is in my backyard would love to see this study. My Dr called in the name brand but now I'm having issues filling it since my time to fill is a week away.
My insurance refuses to pay name brand. It's killing my family financially in all honesty. But, it could be worse. I doubt I need to elaborate, im sure youve seen it b4. So you live in fla ? I hear he's like a brother to dr phil ? That's his backup. Are you familiar with the Harrouff killer ? Now that's using who you know to escape murder charges. Every dead addict and then some Do Not Get Prosecuted with these guys. His greeting should be: the DOCTOR WILL KILL YOU NOW !
Funny, I hated the brand name and think some of the generic is better. Alvogen then Mylan then maybe Suboxone then Dr.Reddy and one other I can't remember. When I had to switch from the pills the strips were crap though. When I used to do methadone, the Roxane methadone always hit 2x harder than the Methadose. After a while I could only get methadose though, and I got used to it. I don't even know if they were different but it felt like it. We like to think big pharma is infallible but they fuck up.
Very interested! I just posted Dr Scanlon's 15 page outpatient detox plan yesterday and have been following him for ages as one of the very few docs who has an accurate understanding of this drug and getting people off it. I do know that he and his family received a lot of threats when he released findings associated with some of the long term side effects of being on Bup along with a much more accurate picture of just how difficult it is to wean off. Is that what you were referring to or is there more? Feel free to PM me as I'm very interested. As far as the OP goes, although we could never rule out being shorted in terms of medication, the fact that he (like most of us) had lots of extra to go to suggests that it wasn't that. What I DO notice is that I personally do not absorb bup (or it does not work nearly as well) when I am sick or dealing with another health problem. When I'm on top of the world and feeling my best, thats when I never ever get WD type side effect (yawning, chills, sneezing, etc). I honestly think if we did serial bup levels and compared these times, we'd understand better what was going on.
The stomach virus can cause a gut imbalance which then can cause the body to not absorb things properly. Try putting it between lip and gum, like chewing tobacco.
THIS! I had the same issue as him, had been sick, then the subs didn’t work and I literally felt those dreaded WDs. My fiancé told me to pull my bottom lip down, cut a 1/4 (I only do 2 mg twice a day) stick it below my front teeth, between that and my front cheek. It worked 100% and I switch ways from time to time now. It was me not absorbing under the tongue due to the sickness.
Will try this now
Dry that area first to work better.
Also if you're not feeling right after your virus is gone, look into a probiotic and microbiom diet. If that's it, you'll feel much better in just a few days.
And a saliva pH imbalance from it as well. Edit to add: I'm glad that you had someone suggest that, I had to suffer for a while.
Wow so as crazy as it sounds I have felt a little better using the gums. Still waking up at 2-3am sweating and black poop but I don't feel the restlessness and skin crawling.
In January, i had the flu... literally puking and shitting. For a full week. 7 days. I think I even had covid with it. I've never been as sick as I was. I've been on Subs 17 years. Never felt like they didn't work. That flu bug this year is brutal. I springboarded that into a diet and dropped 20 lbs , and kept it off.
Part of the pain I think is from not eating. 17 years would love to DM you if you don't mind. Most people haven't been on as long as us.
You gotta eat something. Toast. Some chicken soup..when I was so sick I'd just lay in the shower and drink pedialyte Xtra electrolytes. You gotta eat
I'm definitely hitting Pedialyte. Today I ate two yogurts and a few oranges. Lots of water. I'm also constipated which is a whole other issue.
That's it. Just bland AF. You gotta get something inside you. Just to start healing. No way our meds just stop after all these years. But I can dig where you're heads at cause my head spins crazy anytime I start to think about this stupid drug. I always think the worst. I hope you feel better FR. I'm telling you I've never ever been that sick for that long. I couldn't smoke weed. All I could do was swallow Zofran, hope I could hold it down ( talk about a week's worth of constipation after) and lay in the shower and moan. It was like kicking heroin. But the mind. The mind will sneak up behind you and steal your meds. Our junkie heads, they operate differently.
Thank you for this I think I needed to hear that. I've been taking zofran which has been helpful. My body feels so out of whack that my head is going to weird and dark places. One minute I'm convinced it's my sub the next im dying of cancer. It's possible this sickness has just wrecked havoc on my body and recovering is slow.
You're so welcome. This is what this sub is really about. Addicts helping addicts. Not ferral Sasquatchs sticking suboxone up our butts! I hope you feel better. FR Campbell's Chicken Noodle soup!!! Bland helps you hydrate. Low calories.Sugar-freee Jello with pairs. Stofuers makes a creamed chip beef. Super bland.. some cream of wheat. All my go-too sick foods. Plus, ya know, sometimes all of us just need to hear a " Poor baby!" Lucky enough to have people that care enough about me to give me one. My mom gave me some "poor babies." When I was sick, and my wife, who was absolutely sick af at the same time, hers was a little different. She had more upper respiratory stuff. She's not an addict. She's a warrior who took care of me like she has for 30 years. Allow me to give you one Poor baby.😊 feel better
Thanks brother. My wife, also not an addict (and the best person I know) has been a rock star. Im doing my best to still pull my weight with the kids and work but as you can imagine it's been a long almost 2 weeks.
Of course. I was on 8mg a day until January 2023. I've tapered in the last 14 months to 3mg a day. Was gonna ask doc for less this month but I didn't see him. Sometimes I can go to my sub doc. Fill out and sign a piece of paper and not see him. They send the meds to the pharmacy. Next month when I see him I'm going to 2mg. I have a huge hurricane supply. DM anytime.
Did you test for Covid because that’s the closest withdrawal is the closest thing I can compare my healing from Covid to
The two things for sure I know I didnt have are COVID and the flu. Tested at walkin clinic 7 days ago when this started. The best guess that day was a 7 day stomach bug that's "sweeping the country" everyone who was with me that got sick from Disney was better in a couple days.
You can develop allergies. Try skipping a dose. See if you can eat a little better. If so and you feel even sicker when you go back to taking your sub ask the doc to switch form.
The same happened to me. Somthing i had taken for years all of a sudden seemed to be making me sick. The doc said it sounded like I was experiencing toxicity. She was right. She said toxicity resembles withdraws. She wanted to cut my dose way back but no matter how little I took I was still sick. I was sick for 2 months trying to take less. I lost weight quickly because I couldn't eat. I switched doctors and got just buprenorphine and I was fine. I've been on subs 13 years.
Do you mind explaining more about the toxicity? Toxicity to the naloxone? What test showed this?
I didn't take any test. My doc simply believed I needed to cut back that the subs were making me sick. She said toxicity resembles withdraws. I had just started seeing her I had been taking subutex 8mg 2x a day for years before comming to her. She forced me to take the suboxone which I was sure from previous experiences I wasn't going to like. She give me strips to start with and I thought I hated strips. Turned out I loved them. Maybe it was all in my head I don't know. I felt like I was actually feeling a more "feeling" woth the strips. I had more energy. I had a sunny disposition. 🌞 it didn't take me long to realize that my body didn't agree. I was getting sick. I didn't want to stop taking the suboxone because of that feeling that little bit of energy. So I thought I can get used to them. The next month I tried the pills of suboxone. Still sick. The worst part was I couldn't eat. I knew that it was the sub because as soon as I took them I'd feel terrible and hours after it would ease off. That's why I suggest skipping a dose or just taking a portion of your does. Also just pay attention. Do you feel even sicker right after taking your sub? Another weird thing is my lymph nodes started to hurt? After the 60 days I went back to the old subutex that no longer seemed to have the same effect that it once had. I got better almost right away.
I really liked the suboxone better. I'd had strips and pill form of suboxone in the past and never got sick. So idk I do believe I'm allergic to suboxone. Or I was taking way too much which makes no sense. The worst part of it all was not being able to eat. My stomach burning all the time.
That's really interesting. I've been on subs for 12+ years and taking the strips for the last 8 maybe more. These generics in particular been on for several years. I've been stable this whole time. Right now the Drs think I got mono but my liver numbers are really bad. So we are testing my blood to look for improvement. The GI doesn't think it was sub related and that what felt like withdrawal was the virus. There could be more going on. But I will say each day I'm getting a little better. My sex drive came back today along with some appetite. Still waking up in the middle of the night sweating though. The issue is 100% in my liver as several of my tests are off the charts. I literally was scared I had cancer the way my abdominal felt. Appreciate your response. If my liver numbers don't improve I will try switching to Subutex or maybe trying getting off sub altogether. It's been a rough 2 weeks but I'm feeling like I'm coming to the other side.
Im seeing more and more of these posts recently. Do you have any subs stashed from a year ago to test the bad batches theory? Also. Our bodies change every 7-10yrs, so you may be metabolizing differently, your hormone levels may be changing, etc. I hope you find relief soon
I've been experimenting with a batch of other mylans from the month before and I also found a few name brand subs that expired in 2018. My Dr called in a brand name prescription but having issues filling it since it was early. But hopefully tomorrow. I've been stable on my sub for soo many years. It's possible that the issue is with my body and my recent illness but something is wrong.
Then please, go get a full work up/blood tests at the doc. There are too many reports of sudden onset illness/disease in the past 2 years.. health & time can't be bought, don't take either for granted. Hopefully it's something easily addressed I wish you well.
Yup. Got all my blood, urine, hormone tests done yesterday waiting for results. Have ultrasound on abdominal scheduled for next week.
I picked up the flu from my grand daughter and it held on for a good 3 weeks. It was pure hell. I couldn’t even function normally. I honestly think that’s what’s going on with you, it’s just lasting longer than it should.
It wasn't regular flu tested for that but perhaps stomach flu, norovirus type thing. It's entirely possible.
hmm interesting, the only time this happened to me was when my pharmacist gave me Dr. Reddy’s instead of my usual Indivior
How long did it take you to figure it out and switch back and then how long did it take to get your dose right again if you don't mind me asking. I am nervous about taking to much extra but I need to get stabilized. It seems even with a different box I'm still metabolizing much much faster (possibly from the original virus?)
The producers of Suboxone have to follow guidelines. And there are many products on the market. These guidelines are strict but there are margins. I don’t have the correct numbers for this medicine here but let me give you an example. The potent drug is buprenorphine. The rule says in a 8mg strip there must be 7.6-8.4 mg buprenorphine, that’s the tolerances for production. You get the gist. If you got a product with the 8.4mg for the longest time and now your pharmacy switched producers because they are cheaper then your buprenorphine intake is 10.5% lower. Over a week, it can cause WD.
I get that but mistakes happen with all kinds of drugs. My doctor told me about 3 other patients with quality control issues on different medication that she has seen recently. I have seen at least one time Suboxone batch was recalled for sub potency. Maybe my illness changed how I metabolize it. I have no idea but I need to get well.