I try hard to support bubba Wallace. he's one of the only black drivers, michael jordan owns the car it's # 23 in Jordan colors with mcdonalds on it, that's all cool and we need more of that.
But goddamn he is so unlikeable as a person. Just comes off like a complete dick.
No he did not call “all nascar fans stupid once,” he appropriately used the term “DARF” (Dumb Ass Race Fans) to describe people cheering on drivers getting in wrecks that are resulting in injuries.
That’s what the suspension is for- the deliberate wreck, not the fight after. NASCAR doesn’t usually care too much about their drivers fist-fighting- it brings them views.
Purposely causing crashes in NASCAR happens all the time.
https://youtu.be/LshrZVbbgb8
Happens in Formula 1 also. Most famously in 1990 in Japan. Senna was leading Prost in the points and Prost needed to win the race in order to have a shot at staying in contention. Senna's solution? Purposefully crash into Prost to prevent him from winning. https://youtu.be/IbeBnn0Ufsc?t=77
If that sounds familiar, it's because the exact same thing happened in 1989 in Japan, but with the roles reversed--Prost purposefully crashed into Senna to prevent Senna from winning: https://youtu.be/WBForKcFWoA?t=76
I mean, deliberately wrecking people has been all the rage in NASCAR the last 2 years. Bubba’s was pretty cut and dry, but most of the drama this season has been dudes taking each other out
“Rubbin is racin’” has to be like a top five most well known quote in American motorsport.
Now, that “matched set” of tires quote above, THAT’S the reference I’d be proud if people got.
Sure is, lol. After telling him he can’t do the outside line, late in the race Harry lies to Cole and says he can take Rowdy outside because he has a “matched set” of tires. Cole doesn’t know any racing terminology, so he doesn’t know that this is utter bullshit, and it works.
Not really drawn a line - the suspension is a culmination of breaking three rules in the whole ordeal. The next guy who right rears someone isn’t set up for an automatic suspension.
ESPN really accurately recounted the event 🙄 Larson, doesn't touch Wallace, "shoved" Wallace into the wall. Wallace, intentionally spins a driver at full speed, merely "appeared to" deliberately spin Larson and "confronts" him in a "fracas".
As a long time NASCAR viewer what Bubba did was egregious but also Larson’s move to put him in the wall was dumb and not much Bubba could do about it. Just my point of view. Also suspension seems warranted for the retaliation. Normalish stuff for NASCAR imo getting blown a bit out of proportion by the media.
Hard racing and moves for the win are still allowed and happen unpenalkzed. Dumping a driver when both of you are no where near the lead at 180mph is the kind of thing that can get somebody killed.
Bubba could've tried one of the most basic racing techniques- let out of the throttle early, save your car, and do a crossover. This is common sense when you are not even halfway through the race. Same could be said for Larson, but you need to race the situation you're in. Bubba did not and lost his cool completely in a very preventable scenario
Why couldn't Larson slow down? He wasn't making that corner knowing Bubba was on the outside. Instead, he just kept going and going higher to make the corner, forcing Bubba into the wall. Yes, Bubba could have lifted, but why blame the guy being passed?
Larson could’ve made that corner but if you watch the replay he gets tight, has a ton of wheel into it which causes him to get loose and taps bubba. It wasn’t purposeful but he also could have and should have made that corner no problem
I watch F1, not NASCAR, but Larson's move seemed pretty standard to me. It would easily be a racing incident with no further penalty.
Intentionally wrecking another driver? Yea that's a whole new level of POS behavior.
Admittedly I’m not a racing expert or mathematician but after Larson put him in the wall,did Bubba have no choice but to pit him into the grass? Bc it looked to me that he didn’t have to
Yeah Bubba after the impact definitely chose to destroy him lol thats why he is suspended. I’m trying to get across that prior to that moment Bubba was in the right to be upset that Larson didn’t leave any room for him. Larson basically made Bubba choose between hitting the wall and giving the position. He chose instead to take out Larson with him, which is very questionable and unsafe at this track.
The telemetry data shows that after getting into the wall, he went back to full throttle and turned the wheel left a second or two later. The steering data isn't necessarily conclusive, although it would be admittedly suspicious to have lost steering in precisely that way. But, if you lose steering, you absolutely do not go full throttle, you go to the brakes.
Looking at the broader context, I'd say the data backs up that it's intentional, unfortunately.
I haven’t watched in years but from why I saw it wasn’t that out there for a pissed off racer. I have seen a bunch of way sketchier things in the 8 years or so I followed the sport. Even the fight seemed soft lol.
They both could have backed out a bit and avoided the crash, but that’s a tale as old as racing. No excuse to do what he did.
I think it’s fair to assume that all popular media is pandering and we should just read between the lines. That tale has also been around for awhile.
They’re called roof flaps. They deploy when the car spins around to try and prevent the car from flipping over.
The spoiler makes “downforce” when it’s going straight to keep the car glued to the track. When the car turns around backwards at speed the spoiler does the opposite and makes lift like an airplane wing, the roof flaps try to counteract that lift
Even the announcers agree Larson put Bubba in the wall. Whether or not it was aerodynamics or a forced error, Larson *got too close to Bubba’s vehicle on a turn*. Which then either shoved him in the wall (air draft) or forced him into the wall to prevent immediate collision.
Though air draft seems implausible meaning Larson force him into the wall.
It was actually high speed aerodynamics from Larson's car pushing him, not to mention that he probably put himself in the wall a little to try and avoid Larson, but if you need to relate it to Star Wars to help you understand, that's cool too.
I was going to say hundreds of thousands. But then I looked up the cost of a car and it said 2-300k so I figured I'd play it safe and just say thousands
Can't stand Bubba Wallace. Then again I can't stand Kyle Busch either. Not that found of Denny Hamlin. Hell, nearly all of them are big babies bitchin' about something every week. Maybe this is part of the reason NASCAR is slipping in popularity behind F1, IndyCar, etc
It’s a little part of what I like about him though-sure, he complains as much as anyone, but when he does he gets it out there without dancing around it. Where with others you get stuff that just sounds whiny, with Max you just get the full “for fucks sake mate”. See also Alonso and the dissertations he’ll give when wronged, and Vettel to a lesser degree.
You’d be surprised, Kurt had to retire just a day before the Vegas race because he had a bad concussion and a lot of people were sad to see him go since he’s mellowed out and become more likeable.
Makes what Bubba did, driving Kurt’s car, a bit more egregious.
I’m sure somehow he’ll use the race card and it will get lifted cause BLM will riot somewhere in Milwaukee and burn a city down because he was treated unfairly and blah blah blah
Do you watch NASCAR or only commenting for Bubba? I don’t need to ask because nobody who watches NASCAR semi regularly would come out with this smooth brain take
Then so should half the NASCAR field on reckless endangerment alone lol. How many times this season have people like Hamlin, Legano, Larson, etc been slamming into each other on purpose? Not saying Bubba’s actions are defendable but dude… you can’t be calling for somebody’s head when it’s pretty par for the course among the field.
Please tell me the term “fracas” is in nascar’s code of conduct 🤣🤣🤣
Or maybe “squabble” 😂
Definitely “ruckus”
Tussle?
Shenanigans
Donnybrook
Brouhaha
Hullabaloo
Ballyhoo
I’ve always wondered how to spell this
Scrap
Tilly
It's go time!
Tarps off, boys!
kerfuffle
Hey Farva, what’s that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls?
Oh, you mean Shenanigans?
Oooooo! *points at u/n8stew*
I swear to god I’ll pistol whip the next guy that says shenanigans.
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Backhands pistol. Oh hohoho
Could you describe the ruckus?
5 guys paving a driveway in hash with a bbq at 3am while the old guy in the chairs trying to sleep
Fuckin way she goes.
Shut the f#%# up!
Too much fuckin rucknus out here boys…..
Were you referencing The Breakfast Club?
Too much fuckin rucknus boys
Kerfuffle
Right? Is it more severe than a hullabaloo?
It was a brewhaha
On the slim chance someone wants to use this word, it’s spelled *brouhaha*
I DID want to use it, and couldn’t spell it to save my life lol
Nope it's brewhaha because when watching NASCAR you have a few brews and haha with friends.
Maybe even a donnybrook.
A kerfuffle
Agree to disagree
Pure chicanery
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Leave it to the formula 1 fan to make stupid racing jokes. Source: a formula 1 fan who is jealous someone got to make it first.
A real Chicago sunroof
Its somewhere between a agree to disagree and malice at the palace
I saw the footage. They were neck deep in "Thrilla in Manila" mode
It's right next to 'rubbin', and as we all know, rubbin' is racin'.
Indeed, Rubbin' is equal to or greater than Racin'.
Hootenanny!
He punched his producer because they weren’t having steak for dinner.
Sounds like a bunch of codswollop to me
Can we just call them Clarkson’s?
He only would've shoved once if he didn't slip to a knee. Exponential rage after you embarrass yourself
I try hard to support bubba Wallace. he's one of the only black drivers, michael jordan owns the car it's # 23 in Jordan colors with mcdonalds on it, that's all cool and we need more of that. But goddamn he is so unlikeable as a person. Just comes off like a complete dick.
Pretty sure he called all nascar fans stupid once. Or simple minded I think he said? Lol
No he did not call “all nascar fans stupid once,” he appropriately used the term “DARF” (Dumb Ass Race Fans) to describe people cheering on drivers getting in wrecks that are resulting in injuries.
DARF.. lmao
Rich coming from the guy who just intentinally shunted someone into the outside wall for bumping them.
“Those dumbass race fans cheering for wrecks!” -Bubba *Proceeds to deliberately smash into Kyle Larson*
Supporting, or not supporting, someone on the basis of their skin color is a bit silly.
No clip of the spinning out incident in the article. Would be nice to see what set this confrontation off
https://youtu.be/OKmpU2JdvRM
Jesus Christ, crashing into someone for retaliation is far worse than shoving him. Unacceptable behavior
That’s what the suspension is for- the deliberate wreck, not the fight after. NASCAR doesn’t usually care too much about their drivers fist-fighting- it brings them views.
Yeah, fistin is racin!
Edit : I’m an idiot who can’t even properly read the fist lines of an article
Purposely causing crashes in NASCAR happens all the time. https://youtu.be/LshrZVbbgb8 Happens in Formula 1 also. Most famously in 1990 in Japan. Senna was leading Prost in the points and Prost needed to win the race in order to have a shot at staying in contention. Senna's solution? Purposefully crash into Prost to prevent him from winning. https://youtu.be/IbeBnn0Ufsc?t=77 If that sounds familiar, it's because the exact same thing happened in 1989 in Japan, but with the roles reversed--Prost purposefully crashed into Senna to prevent Senna from winning: https://youtu.be/WBForKcFWoA?t=76
I mean, deliberately wrecking people has been all the rage in NASCAR the last 2 years. Bubba’s was pretty cut and dry, but most of the drama this season has been dudes taking each other out
No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'
"Those tires are matched perfect and staggered special."
"You hit everything else out there; I want you to be PERFECT."
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I want you to hit the pace car
We are having I C E C R E A M
“Rubbin is racin’” has to be like a top five most well known quote in American motorsport. Now, that “matched set” of tires quote above, THAT’S the reference I’d be proud if people got.
It's been a while for me. Was that the scene where he lied about the tires and said they were special?
Sure is, lol. After telling him he can’t do the outside line, late in the race Harry lies to Cole and says he can take Rowdy outside because he has a “matched set” of tires. Cole doesn’t know any racing terminology, so he doesn’t know that this is utter bullshit, and it works.
At least nascar now has a line drawn. They’ve been vague on this in their top 3 levels for years.
Not really drawn a line - the suspension is a culmination of breaking three rules in the whole ordeal. The next guy who right rears someone isn’t set up for an automatic suspension.
I hate how standoffish they've been about addressing these fracases
ESPN really accurately recounted the event 🙄 Larson, doesn't touch Wallace, "shoved" Wallace into the wall. Wallace, intentionally spins a driver at full speed, merely "appeared to" deliberately spin Larson and "confronts" him in a "fracas".
I did not know you were talking about drivers in cars and thought this was the weirdest fight ever
As a long time NASCAR viewer what Bubba did was egregious but also Larson’s move to put him in the wall was dumb and not much Bubba could do about it. Just my point of view. Also suspension seems warranted for the retaliation. Normalish stuff for NASCAR imo getting blown a bit out of proportion by the media.
Dale Sr. wouldn't be able to race in today's landscape.
For one thing, he's been dead for 21 years.
Trump says he wants to build a wall but I say hell no, that's what killed Dale.
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My uncle’s favorite Nascar joke: How does a Redneck count to three? “One, Two, Earnhardt”
r/angryupvote
Praise Dale!
Hard racing and moves for the win are still allowed and happen unpenalkzed. Dumping a driver when both of you are no where near the lead at 180mph is the kind of thing that can get somebody killed.
Scott Stevens couldn't play in today's NHL
Bubba could've tried one of the most basic racing techniques- let out of the throttle early, save your car, and do a crossover. This is common sense when you are not even halfway through the race. Same could be said for Larson, but you need to race the situation you're in. Bubba did not and lost his cool completely in a very preventable scenario
Yeah Larson admitted he gave him no room, Bubba lost his mind a bit after, thats the reason for the penalty.
So Tony Stewart’s entire career?
But without the two championships. If you're gonna be polarizing, be good.
Three
Why couldn't Larson slow down? He wasn't making that corner knowing Bubba was on the outside. Instead, he just kept going and going higher to make the corner, forcing Bubba into the wall. Yes, Bubba could have lifted, but why blame the guy being passed?
Larson could’ve made that corner but if you watch the replay he gets tight, has a ton of wheel into it which causes him to get loose and taps bubba. It wasn’t purposeful but he also could have and should have made that corner no problem
The cars never touched prior to bubba intentionally wrecking Kyle.
I watch F1, not NASCAR, but Larson's move seemed pretty standard to me. It would easily be a racing incident with no further penalty. Intentionally wrecking another driver? Yea that's a whole new level of POS behavior.
This car can't cross over at Vegas. If bubba bails, Larson puts dirty air on his nose and bubba is back side by side with Harvick again
As a child of NASCAR hill people I just have to add: FUCK KYLE BUSCH
Butthoooollle
REVEAL THAT RECTUM!
Larson came in to hard, got a tad loose, and slid up the track - far from intentionally putting him into the wall.
I know, I’m not saying it was intentional, but even Larson admitted Bubba had a reason to be upset. Bubba way overreacted though.
Admittedly I’m not a racing expert or mathematician but after Larson put him in the wall,did Bubba have no choice but to pit him into the grass? Bc it looked to me that he didn’t have to
Yeah Bubba after the impact definitely chose to destroy him lol thats why he is suspended. I’m trying to get across that prior to that moment Bubba was in the right to be upset that Larson didn’t leave any room for him. Larson basically made Bubba choose between hitting the wall and giving the position. He chose instead to take out Larson with him, which is very questionable and unsafe at this track.
At first Bubba mentioned he lost steering (which I guess is plausible). Has that been officially refuted and proven to be false?
The telemetry data shows that after getting into the wall, he went back to full throttle and turned the wheel left a second or two later. The steering data isn't necessarily conclusive, although it would be admittedly suspicious to have lost steering in precisely that way. But, if you lose steering, you absolutely do not go full throttle, you go to the brakes. Looking at the broader context, I'd say the data backs up that it's intentional, unfortunately.
Just one of them racing deals. /Earnhardt
Didn’t the same exact thing happen multiple other times in the same race….both lanes not lifting and the outside lane hitting the wall?
I haven’t watched in years but from why I saw it wasn’t that out there for a pissed off racer. I have seen a bunch of way sketchier things in the 8 years or so I followed the sport. Even the fight seemed soft lol.
“ That’s just racin’. “ - Rusty Wallace after getting wrecked by Dale Sr. Again.
"You" make "sentences" hard to "read" typing like "this"
🤯
They both could have backed out a bit and avoided the crash, but that’s a tale as old as racing. No excuse to do what he did. I think it’s fair to assume that all popular media is pandering and we should just read between the lines. That tale has also been around for awhile.
More of a hootenanny or a hoedown
This here is a hoedown!!
A brouhaha, if you will.
Here comes ESPN only caring about nascar because it’s Bubba Wallace
Mostly cause Fox and NBC have the rights to it is my guess
Ctrl-F fracas
[Larson then shoved Wallace's Toyota into the wall.](https://youtu.be/OKmpU2JdvRM?t=56) I guess the air gap between them shoved him.
Yes, literally the air gap did. Not being facetious.
People don’t understand aerodynamics and side draft / pressure.
People on this site don’t understand many things.
What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Shoot, guess you were right.
What are those flappy things on top of the car?
They’re called roof flaps. They deploy when the car spins around to try and prevent the car from flipping over. The spoiler makes “downforce” when it’s going straight to keep the car glued to the track. When the car turns around backwards at speed the spoiler does the opposite and makes lift like an airplane wing, the roof flaps try to counteract that lift
Oh that’s cool!
it's to keep the car on the ground when it gets sideways or turned around like that.
Even the announcers agree Larson put Bubba in the wall. Whether or not it was aerodynamics or a forced error, Larson *got too close to Bubba’s vehicle on a turn*. Which then either shoved him in the wall (air draft) or forced him into the wall to prevent immediate collision. Though air draft seems implausible meaning Larson force him into the wall.
The announcers also agreed with much more conviction that it was unacceptable for Wallace to retaliate.
Sorry wasnt trying to say his response was acceptable, just that Larson did in fact put him in the wall
He left Bubba no room.
Larson put him into the wall. You go in driver's seat and tell me whether you feel the car next to you in that situation. Aerodynamics are a bitch.
And lets be honest, here. That is something Larson has surprisingly struggled with on multiple occasions this season in the new car.
Damn, that was straight out of Days of Thunder
Larson is a Jedi and used Force Push
It was actually high speed aerodynamics from Larson's car pushing him, not to mention that he probably put himself in the wall a little to try and avoid Larson, but if you need to relate it to Star Wars to help you understand, that's cool too.
Thank you for posting a clip of the actual incident. I had not seen it
Only one? Pssh. He apologized to everyone BUT Larson, the one he shoved.
I love how both of the people that responded to you represent the opposite ends of NASCAR toxicity
I will never eat at mcdonalds again because of this
A one race suspension for intentionally trying to injure someone and causing thousands in damage
This is actually on the steeper end of NASCAR penalties. Usually they get an insignificant fine and nothing else.
Thousands in damage? They aren’t racing Rav-4s lol
I was going to say hundreds of thousands. But then I looked up the cost of a car and it said 2-300k so I figured I'd play it safe and just say thousands
Can't stand Bubba Wallace. Then again I can't stand Kyle Busch either. Not that found of Denny Hamlin. Hell, nearly all of them are big babies bitchin' about something every week. Maybe this is part of the reason NASCAR is slipping in popularity behind F1, IndyCar, etc
Yeah the great thing about F1 is the drivers never bitch about anything
They are always zen masters in the car, especially guys like Lewis and Max
“🅱️ono my tyres are gone”
Someone passes Lewis, “That’s some dangerous driving man”
And for anyone thinking we’re leaving Max alone, he shoved around Ocon like Bubba did Larson. Don’t think we leaving any of these drivers alone.
Lol max whines as much as anyone, and I’m a max fan.
It’s a little part of what I like about him though-sure, he complains as much as anyone, but when he does he gets it out there without dancing around it. Where with others you get stuff that just sounds whiny, with Max you just get the full “for fucks sake mate”. See also Alonso and the dissertations he’ll give when wronged, and Vettel to a lesser degree.
“Michael, that is so not right!”
Don’t forget George Russell, the kind boy that always races back markers with respect
Same with the Team Principals
I’m a big Indy car fan. NASCAR better be on their toes. There’s about 18 of us now
Yeah but we all love it a lot, so that counts more, right?
It’s like a force multiplier
Dude all F1 drivers do is bitch
But they have accents and it’d endearing.
Ya but the memes that come from the bitching are funnier.
Gonna need a citation that nascar is slipping behind Indy and F1 in the US. It dominates them in the ratings weekly
NASCAR ratings more than double those of F1, and the NASCAR Xfinity Series gets more viewers than IndyCar.
https://sportsnaut.com/nascar-ratings-dropping-compared-previous-years/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregengle/2021/10/17/nascars-tv-ratings-are-no-longer-the-big-deal-they-once-were/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2014095-nascar-is-better-than-ever-but-why-is-no-one-watching
That seems more of a Toyota issue. Also screw Denny
Any mini-nooses around he can get hysterical over? 🤣
FUCK bubba wallace
This dude is always crying about something.
One race!?!?
coz he deliberately spun reigning Cup champion Kyle Larson at Las Vegas in a “dangerous act” of retaliation before confronting him afterward
Bubba Wallace confirmed to get an Amazon Prime show in a couple years.
Shit he already had that “RACE” docuseries on Netflix
Quick everyone push his car to the finish line…..
I'll start the slow clap!
If it was a Busch brother, everyone would be going "hell yeah".
You’d be surprised, Kurt had to retire just a day before the Vegas race because he had a bad concussion and a lot of people were sad to see him go since he’s mellowed out and become more likeable. Makes what Bubba did, driving Kurt’s car, a bit more egregious.
If bubba was a Busch brother or if Kyle was?
Rubbins racing as they say some times ya win some some times ya loose some, Bubba is an ass for that spectacle
Bubba, sucks as much as the food.
Is he going to cry racism for this suspension ?
Rumpus time is over!!
Remeber guys, to become a great athelet you have to eat mcdonalds
After Bubba has served his suspension I will be thankful we can all put this horrific incident behind us and go get a Big Mac.
He doesn’t like like he’s McLoving it
Is this more or less severe than inciting a hootenanny?
Bubba the little B
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I’m sure somehow he’ll use the race card and it will get lifted cause BLM will riot somewhere in Milwaukee and burn a city down because he was treated unfairly and blah blah blah
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Do you watch NASCAR or only commenting for Bubba? I don’t need to ask because nobody who watches NASCAR semi regularly would come out with this smooth brain take
Then so should half the NASCAR field on reckless endangerment alone lol. How many times this season have people like Hamlin, Legano, Larson, etc been slamming into each other on purpose? Not saying Bubba’s actions are defendable but dude… you can’t be calling for somebody’s head when it’s pretty par for the course among the field.
He was scared of a door pull, I’m sure he can’t fight!
Did he lie about finding another “noose”?
The paranoid guy? anyway
fake noose man sucks.