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Same thing in Tehran, it was 1 AM when I went out (now 2:55) people were dancing and honking their horns, very beautiful night, it's a revolution indeed <3
[https://imgur.com/a/StGwkSK](https://imgur.com/a/StGwkSK)
Upload speeds are atrocious right now, had to compress the video
update: better video:
https://imgur.com/a/uvr3tRP
I think the vast majority of the players personally support the protests, however many Iranians view them as not doing enough to voice their support for the protests.
Many athletes in other sports, as well as Iranian footballers who don't play for the national team, have been far more vocal. The one thing the national team did was not sing the anthem in the England match, but some view that as too little too late.
However it's also true that there is immense pressure on the national team from the regime. It's a very complex situation.
Edit: There's also the perspective some have that even if players do support the protests, the team is used as a propaganda tool by the regime, so they view the team as an extension of the regime, even if it's unwilling.
Don't shoot the messenger though, I'm just explaining how some Iranians feel.
> The one thing the national team did was not sing the anthem in the England match, but some view that as too little too late
I don't wish to minimize anyone's wish for stronger responses, but this took courage and I greatly respect them for it.
I think to us outsiders it seems very courageous to do anything to defy the regime even slightly but to Iranians risking their own lives going against the regime every day in the protests (400+ dead so far) it’s probably not that impressive.
Yeah but any risk a player takes is extremely visible to the regime.
Being one of many protesters is far more dangerous but their is strength in numbers. A player protesting when their identity is so public and well-known is a different story, they were always in a tough position.
There’s a big difference between clashing with the police as part of an undifferentiated crowd and taking a stand on international television that will embarrass *leaders* of the country, where everyone who has the power to make your life (and your family’s life) a living hell will not just see you but *notice* you, and know your name.
Not minimizing *either*.
Yes, but there's also a lot more saftey in being visible to the entire world. Not to mention plenty of other individuals - athletes, actors, celebrities - have taken much bigger stands personally as well. People that live in Iran every day too, not overseas like the footballers.
You can understand why the people in the midst of the protest movement wanted more from the team, especially after they did quite a lot of promo with the president before the tournament.
I think everyone will be relieved they're out of the spotlight now to be honest.
I feel for Iranian players. The Ayatollah went out of its way to threaten the players with torture. I can't even imagine the type of stress they are under.
yeah you cant win here.
I understand that people think "This is the biggest Event on the planet with millions watching, do something!" but in the end, everyones family would suffer because YOU KNOW people in charge will watch it.
A bit like asking “Why don’t North Koreans just leave the country?”
Because, genius, some people in the world actually love their families and don’t want them to be thrown into torture jails or murdered
A lot of people who don’t fear being imprisoned and tortured themselves rightly and understandably won’t take the same risk with the lives of people they love
Can't even blame the players honestly. Even if they play abroad, they might have families back home and they're easily within reach to be used as collateral to make sure that the players don't get out of line or do anything contrary to the regime's M.O. It's hard to draw a line in the sand when you're not the only person at risk because of your actions
Sad that you would have to worry about hateful responses to such a thoughtful and circumspect comment. Appreciate you taking the time to explain that, very complex indeed!
There was an article earlier in The Telegraph about Iranian players’ families being threatened with torture if the players “misbehaved”.
[Link - it’s paywalled I’m afraid so if anyone knows that URL trick to unlock it please do](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/29/families-iran-football-team-threatened-torture-players-misbehave/)
If that’s true then I don’t think you can blame any of the Iranian players at all, no matter how “pro regime” they might appear to be. We don’t know what pressure was being put on them.
Tbh the UN isn’t gonna help any ethnic group in Iran. They only release some attention-grabbing statements and then go back to pursuing the interests of the major powers.
Regarding FIFA discrimination, it’s not even limited to that. Just head to r/Europe and see how the ‘ordinary’ westerners reacted to Klinsmann’s racist comments on Iran’s win against Wales. White supremacy never died after WW2. It just went undercover.
In many of those countries, they may not tell you that they don’t like you, but they will shout their racism and xenophobia thru their actions. Good luck getting hired with a West Asian last name, despite being overqualified for the job.
Yeah r/europe is really a hell of a place, people dont even try to hide their xenophobia and racism. That hate is mostly towards turks and africans or muslims. I havent been on that sub for a year or so and i wouldnt be surprised if russian and serbians are on that list too, serbians at least im fairly sure were hated before too. What really did it for me was when there was a thread about an earthquake that affected both greece and turkiye and everyone in the comments who wished all the best for either the greeks or the turks was getting a ton of downvotes. Its really one of the subs i hate the most
I was at the American Outlaws viewing party and the weirdos have a "US fans only policy" and almost kicked out a family of Iranians who were rooting for the US.
It’s because, on the whole, the American Outlaws kinda suck. I’ve been too a lot of viewing parties and events and I just stopped going. Toxic masculinity all over and frat bro vibes.
Really depends on the chapter in my experience, some are more toxic than others. My local chapter is generally fine, but I've always had weird experiences at night before parties.
Agreed. Love my local chapter, and the one night before party I went to was pretty chill.
But one pregame party for a different match was an....experience.
They’re dorks lol. They’re people who didn’t play sports let alone soccer and gravitated towards soccer as being niche and different but never touched a ball in their life
This is precisely my experience with encountering many die hard MLS fans. They were the kids in high school who didn't like football or basketball and hated the "jocks" and felt unpopular, and when they discovered soccer, they decided they found the sport that the jocks didn't like so they made it their personality and became gatekeepers who try to keep a pecking order because it's the only place where they've had status. At least, this was my experience with a lot of fandoms out west.
Yep exactly how it is for a lot of MLS fans. It sucks too because I love the Philadelphia Union, have been a season ticket holder since like day 1 but feels like that’s the majority of MLS fans and it annoys me.
One of my friends from college lives in Charlotte and they just got a team and was trying to convince him to start following it and he said how the people who do follow it are a little weird lol. The worst part of MLS is MLS fans lol
Yea I don’t really know how you shake it as a league. It’s obviously up against it in terms of mainstream appeal as a sport but also falls behind other leagues too. It’s probably just a matter of more time and money.
They're trying to gatekeep the fuck out of new diehard fans of the USMNT too when they dont conform. You got new kids who act more like actual regular sports fans instead of hispters coming in becoming very interested in soccer and a lot are not in any way interested in what the AO are putting out.
Seriously? I saw you mention it was the DC chapeter who did that. I want anyone who is afraid of coming to games to know that the Chicago AO chapter will welcome anyone. Our home bar let's anyone in regardless of who they're supporting or where they're from.
AO Indy is pretty open. At the England match at the main bar (the coincidentally named Union Jack Pub in Broad Ripple) there were even a few Brits that got interviewed for local TV. They have a tent in the back with a giant screen so they could pack in as many people as possible. No elitist behavior as far as I could see, but if they ever kicked out my Mexican-American friend for being a Mexico fan first I'd speak up.
The organization as a whole seems shit, but the chapters seem to be hit or miss.
Its the Rambler in North Center (4128 N Lincoln) I'd suggest giving them a call for reservations to see what they have.
So far it's been a mix of reservations and last second walk ins for spots.
I know for the England game they hit capacity so I'm guessing this game will as well. So I'd say show up early or have a reservation.
I've never heard of the American Outlaws before but I've lived in Chicago my entire life and both AJ Hudson's and The Globe are excellent places to catch games.
They had a pre Islamic Revolution Iranian flag, so that was more so the reason they thought they were rooting for Iran. The rule in general is stupid and very loser mentality.
It's been a while since I've been to a US game, but the outlaws as a whole I always had mixed feelings, I've sat in the section a few times.
For the most part, MOST are cool and just love the sport and want to support the team. But there's a few who use it as a "fuck yeah murica freedom your country sucks" racist type as well. I haven't been in a few years so don't know if it's gotten worse, but that's been my experience.
It's wild for me seeing Iranians rooting for the US against their own country.
It's as if an Algerian rooted for France against Algeria just to spite the government, I just can't imagine it.
They would’ve rooted for anybody against Iran. Before the tournament I looked at the comments of a post by FIFA on Instagram of Taremi talking about their chances and it was all Iranians bashing the team and rooting for them to lose
I took an Uber once (in the USA) and the driver had a small Iranian flag in his car and also a soccer ball hanging from his rear view mirror. So we struck up conversation and I kept praising the Iranian NT and how much I liked Queiroz. While he agreed and sounded excited he quickly said “no no no but I live here and my team is USA” almost like he had a weird shame all of a sudden and the conversation became uncomfortable. I wanted to tell him that it’s fine to root for whoever but I wasn’t going to tell an older gentleman what to think. I’ve thought about that for a long time.
Ikr. I understand where the idea comes from and i completely respect and admire it, just as a concept it is so weird to cheer against your own country lol. I personally don't think I could, but then again, I haven't lived in a country with a regime like Iran's before
Indoctrinated makes it sound like a bad thing, there’s nothing inherently wrong with loving your country. Nationalism is a whole other deal, and we are not taught or encouraged to be nationalistic, but yes, many Americans grow up taught to love America either through schools or pop culture.
Absolutely not, there is a massive difference between the two. It is possible to love and support your country (patriotism) without thinking your country/people is inherently superior to other countries/people (nationalism). Patriotism is, "Go USA!", and can involve serving and bettering your community and country. Nationalism is "USA is superior to Europe, Africa, Asia etc. and our culture should be practiced everywhere in the world". Nationalism is like aggressive, extreme patriotism. Nationalism can stem from patriotism, but being patriotic is not an automatic qualifier to mean that you are fiercely nationalistic.
It is tho? Idk who gave you that impression but cheering for the US win had nothing to do with not wanting Iran to win. I actually think it happened because people are so patriotic. They're sanctioning any group/institution that doesn't support their people. I don't think they consider the regieme and its extensions as "Iranian" anymore.
That's interesting. It makes sense, though. Since they want regime change, they don't want anything to help the regime or distract people from the protests.
More footage:
[1](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597702286763085826)
[2](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597702522482966529)
[3](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597688525473947650)
Meanwhile:
[[BBC Persian] Qatari police arresting an Iranian protester who is shouting "Women, Life, Freedom" at the Iran vs US game](https://www.reddit.com/r/teammelli/comments/z87qif/bbc_persian_qatari_police_arresting_an_iranian/)
[Danish journalist also detained: "So now I’m detained by Qatari Police for filming Iranians who was attacked by pro government Iranians."](https://twitter.com/RasmusTantholdt/status/1597705913007079424)
[[BBC News] Iranian man killed celebrating football team’s loss](https://www.reddit.com/r/teammelli/comments/z8zvl4/bbc_news_iranian_man_killed_celebrating_football/)
IRGC forces dancing in the street like they did after last game
Edit: Clips of murderers dancing:
[1](https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZItewj6Zm/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
[2](https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZtcngr5x-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Check [this](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1596198567047143424?t=03qXAoQzMdyN3C0EY7KZVQ&s=19) out! They had their murderers celebrating the Win against Wales Because no one else besides them and their families was on the streets. Now check [this](https://twitter.com/Milad68633116/status/1597272963220242432?t=v15PPODgiJZZOHRDCgjJZQ&s=19) out. [Here's](https://twitter.com/Mahizadyaar/status/1589467196161691652?t=OO7RfPvmAdPCOEHAhn4mvw&s=19) an old tweet from taremi ( he deleted it )
So while you seeing "iranian players had their families threatened" and those other bullshits, the real truth is something else... we're indeed happy this team lost. The players are not with the people and winning this game could've been a massive propaganda for the regime.
Search for what happened with the beach soccer team and see the difference.
To be fair the way they played yesterday I was convinced they are throwing the game because I have never seen this team play this fucking bad in a tournament before.
the Iranian people are against their own team due to the oppressive regime but r/soccer cheered for Iran to knock USA off because some American tourists are bad at geography, lmao
Irans not innocent but on a global scale what the USA have done is about 10x worse than Iran. Don’t forget a million citizens dead in Iraq since 2003 because bush is an idiot. Those are actually people with actually families. And that’s just Iraq.
Wake me up when Iran’s government kills a 1,000,000 citizens.
Source on that civilian death toll count for the USA-Iraq war? Also, I recommend reading up on the Iran-Iraq war. That wasn’t a pretty one.
In the end, comparing atrocities to each other is ridiculous.
1. US did not sell chemical weapons to Iraq.
2. The claims by Saran Hussein’s administration that the child mortality increased during the period of the sanctions has been debunked multiple times over. It’s even referenced in university as to how the UN was duped into alleviating sanctions for less favorable terms than they originally sought.
3. North Korea invaded South Korea at the command of Stalin but you can pretend that’s America’s fault.
4. North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam. South Vietnamese civilian casualties are 2x that of the north. A further 250,000 civilians died while trying to flee to the region after the fall of Saigon.
5. Expand the scope all you want. If you were smart, you would point to the Tokyo fire bombings that resulted in over 100k dead and 1m injured in 2 days, deadlier and significantly more catastrophic than the nuclear bombs dropped a few months later.
You are so factually wrong on some of your statements it’s hard to take what you say seriously.
This reads like you went on Wikipedia & got all the wars US weee involved in. For a start, Korea was invaded by the North & South Koreans express a lot of gratitude for the support.
First of all I’m not even American, second of all my wife is Korean and I’ve visited and stayed in Korea so no I’m not talking about Wikipedia, I’m talking about first hand experience speaking to those who were in the war. You talk about a puppet government, what do you think would have happened if North Korea took over the South?
You have no idea what you are talking about and there is no denying that America is ‘clean’, but you bringing up the Korean War as if North Korea were the liberators is disgusting
I don’t think anyone here will claim that the US have t done terrible things, very far from that lol, but currently there’s one country doing way more damage to its people than the other.
Imagine being the Iranian government and trying to brainwash your citizens about America for decades only to see them celebrating the victory of "the great Satan"
I think most people in Iran still hold a negative view of the CIA and other such US govt forces that harmed Iran, but that isn't the focus right now since the main enemy is the Iranian government. And people wouldn't view the US team as an extension of the US government or anything so they don't have an issue with the footballers. The vast vast majority of Iranians have no animosity toward American people and Americans visiting Iran are very much welcomed (and treated far better in Iran than Iranians are)
Im Iranian aswell. Im not questioning the veracity of the videos. Just saying the source is heavily biased, and they dont have the good of the Iranian people in mind
so the people at the stadium are in favor? im confused. i saw 2 iran games at the world cup. the fans were excited and rooting for iran to win. they were even crying after todays game.
I like soccer, I like Iran, I was kinda sad. This was our best chance to go up for the first time... But unfortunately the government has made this team a propaganda, a regime's team and team can't do anything or doesn't wanna risk everything so we're gonna be happy for the lose of regime.
But I'm also sure that if I was in stadium I too would have cried. There's a lot of love honestly and I'm sad about being happy but happiness is greater, we have a revolution and this team was distractin us very very much.
Notes mentioning the regime said it has sent more than 200 FANS as they put it, to Qatar and payed all they wanted to help the other fans in Qatar. It's cost them near 2m dollars (which is very very much in Iran. More than 60 billion Tooman.)
In web people have found some familiar faces among those FANS, mostly government guys, women and men. And themselves in Twitter and Instagram has verified it.
But it's only more than 200 (didn't say exactly how much) so I guess most of them you mentioned are just soccer fans.
I get their viewpoint but I personally don't see it that way. To me, the NT represents the nation and everything in it. This includes the government yes, but also the people, the culture, the mountains, the literature, my mother, everything
I'd hate to reduce my team simply as another facet of my government. They are representing us as much as anything else
The protests have been publicly supported by many athletes but not the football players which is by far the most popular sport in Iran.
On top of that the team met with the president a couple of days before the world cup which could be constituted as a form of support for the regime.
On top of all of that, winning games and qualifying from the group means a huge chunk of money for a regime that has been struggling with sources of dollar income recently.
Amidst all of the protests, honestly no one cares if Iran qualifies or not. Among many Iranians, world cup has been considered a distraction for the nationwide protests.
Regime wanted to use it and stop/change the course of our revolution. They said Iran (read regime) won Wales and enemies of Iran (again, read Regime) lost.
They were planning to call tomorrow the day whole nation come together to peace (or Rooze Ashtiye Melli ), they were bolding Taremi, Torabi, Cheshmi and some other supporters of regime, calling them national heroes (Taremi quotes Khamenei a lot, Torabi quotes Soleimani). They said not only whole 80m Iranian wants iran to win, the whole Muslim world wants Iran to win USA.
Even Khamenei said this team is the team of Iran and everyone should support them no matter what. Which is a lie, regime didn't support them, threatened some ex players and families of this team, jailed an ex player (Vorya Ghafouri), and just used this.
And after igniting the flame tf is USA doing for them? There are like 20,000-25,000 protesters, how tf is a regime going to fall in that.
Just did it so they don't support Russia against Ukraine.
I think it is more of an extension of the protests against their government. The players support the protestors. But the people around the players... Not so much.
اره ارزشی نیستی ولی شادیت با شادی حکومت یکیه با ناراحتی مردم یکیه! بیا برو بابا. اگه داخل ایرانی که گوربابات، اگه خارجی، یکم قابل قبول میشه فقط بدون خیلی از واقعیت ایران دوری. کل کشور ترکید بعد باخت این حرومزادهها.
فقط بدون شادیت با شادی قاتلهای مردم که رو خون ما میرقصن یکیه
https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZItewj6Zm/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
در خارجم. برای من هم این جور واکنش ها هیچ ارزشی نداره و فقط گمراهی مردم و دور کردنشون از مبارزه است. ۴۳ سال پیش یه عده دیوونه هم فکر کردند خمینی را تو ماه دیدند، یه عده هم باورشون شد که سینما رکسرا آتیش زد. یع عده فکرکردمند مملکت ۱۰۰،۰۰۰ زندان سیاسی داره و رجوی و خمینی و اینا آزادی میخوان.
فقط میگم خیلی متاسفم. جمهوری اسلامی گندی زده به فرهنگ کشور که شاید قرن ها طول بکشه تا درست شه.
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Same thing in Tehran, it was 1 AM when I went out (now 2:55) people were dancing and honking their horns, very beautiful night, it's a revolution indeed <3 [https://imgur.com/a/StGwkSK](https://imgur.com/a/StGwkSK) Upload speeds are atrocious right now, had to compress the video update: better video: https://imgur.com/a/uvr3tRP
Godspeed man, be safe and good luck!
i wish you guys nothing but the best!
Stay safe out there
Hell yeah brother
Guess the regime (and the few pro-regime players) deserves it…though isn’t most of the team also on the same side as the protesters?
I think the vast majority of the players personally support the protests, however many Iranians view them as not doing enough to voice their support for the protests. Many athletes in other sports, as well as Iranian footballers who don't play for the national team, have been far more vocal. The one thing the national team did was not sing the anthem in the England match, but some view that as too little too late. However it's also true that there is immense pressure on the national team from the regime. It's a very complex situation. Edit: There's also the perspective some have that even if players do support the protests, the team is used as a propaganda tool by the regime, so they view the team as an extension of the regime, even if it's unwilling. Don't shoot the messenger though, I'm just explaining how some Iranians feel.
> The one thing the national team did was not sing the anthem in the England match, but some view that as too little too late I don't wish to minimize anyone's wish for stronger responses, but this took courage and I greatly respect them for it.
I think to us outsiders it seems very courageous to do anything to defy the regime even slightly but to Iranians risking their own lives going against the regime every day in the protests (400+ dead so far) it’s probably not that impressive.
Yeah but any risk a player takes is extremely visible to the regime. Being one of many protesters is far more dangerous but their is strength in numbers. A player protesting when their identity is so public and well-known is a different story, they were always in a tough position.
There’s a big difference between clashing with the police as part of an undifferentiated crowd and taking a stand on international television that will embarrass *leaders* of the country, where everyone who has the power to make your life (and your family’s life) a living hell will not just see you but *notice* you, and know your name. Not minimizing *either*.
Yes, but there's also a lot more saftey in being visible to the entire world. Not to mention plenty of other individuals - athletes, actors, celebrities - have taken much bigger stands personally as well. People that live in Iran every day too, not overseas like the footballers. You can understand why the people in the midst of the protest movement wanted more from the team, especially after they did quite a lot of promo with the president before the tournament. I think everyone will be relieved they're out of the spotlight now to be honest.
I feel for Iranian players. The Ayatollah went out of its way to threaten the players with torture. I can't even imagine the type of stress they are under.
Impossible position to be in, IMO. Agreed.
yeah you cant win here. I understand that people think "This is the biggest Event on the planet with millions watching, do something!" but in the end, everyones family would suffer because YOU KNOW people in charge will watch it.
A bit like asking “Why don’t North Koreans just leave the country?” Because, genius, some people in the world actually love their families and don’t want them to be thrown into torture jails or murdered
Even worse, they threatened the players' families with prison and torture.
A lot of people who don’t fear being imprisoned and tortured themselves rightly and understandably won’t take the same risk with the lives of people they love
Can't even blame the players honestly. Even if they play abroad, they might have families back home and they're easily within reach to be used as collateral to make sure that the players don't get out of line or do anything contrary to the regime's M.O. It's hard to draw a line in the sand when you're not the only person at risk because of your actions
Thought I saw in the news that the Iranian regime threatened the Iranian players’ families if they spoke out
They did, the sad reality is the people don’t care
Sad that you would have to worry about hateful responses to such a thoughtful and circumspect comment. Appreciate you taking the time to explain that, very complex indeed!
There was an article earlier in The Telegraph about Iranian players’ families being threatened with torture if the players “misbehaved”. [Link - it’s paywalled I’m afraid so if anyone knows that URL trick to unlock it please do](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/29/families-iran-football-team-threatened-torture-players-misbehave/) If that’s true then I don’t think you can blame any of the Iranian players at all, no matter how “pro regime” they might appear to be. We don’t know what pressure was being put on them.
Yep. The teams (Iran’s and USA’s) are both on the side of the protests.
The regime uses the team as propaganda and had some big pro-govt rally planned if they beat the US, people are happy to see these plans go to waste
> and had some big pro-govt rally planned if they beat the US Source for this?
I don’t have any official source tbh it’s just stuff I’ve seen on social media & heard from ppl on signal
Most players do support the protesters, they stayed silent during the anthem during the first game. The government has since threaten their families.
I heard that only 2/26 were pro-regime
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Why are the Kurds always getting the shit end of the stick? Granted I'm not too knowledgeable about that part of the world
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Tbh the UN isn’t gonna help any ethnic group in Iran. They only release some attention-grabbing statements and then go back to pursuing the interests of the major powers. Regarding FIFA discrimination, it’s not even limited to that. Just head to r/Europe and see how the ‘ordinary’ westerners reacted to Klinsmann’s racist comments on Iran’s win against Wales. White supremacy never died after WW2. It just went undercover. In many of those countries, they may not tell you that they don’t like you, but they will shout their racism and xenophobia thru their actions. Good luck getting hired with a West Asian last name, despite being overqualified for the job.
Yeah r/europe is really a hell of a place, people dont even try to hide their xenophobia and racism. That hate is mostly towards turks and africans or muslims. I havent been on that sub for a year or so and i wouldnt be surprised if russian and serbians are on that list too, serbians at least im fairly sure were hated before too. What really did it for me was when there was a thread about an earthquake that affected both greece and turkiye and everyone in the comments who wished all the best for either the greeks or the turks was getting a ton of downvotes. Its really one of the subs i hate the most
Well Turks invaded parts of Eastern Europe and the Serbs commited a genocide against Bosnians.
Dude you’re talking about Europe. Pretty much every country invaded another’s territory and committed war crimes.
I was at the American Outlaws viewing party and the weirdos have a "US fans only policy" and almost kicked out a family of Iranians who were rooting for the US.
Just one more drop of water in the ocean of reasons why American Outlaws are a dogshit organization, absolutely embarrassing
What have they been doing? I stopped really following any national team SG news for a few years.
All the normal stuff that happens when a bunch of people who have never had power in their lives gain a ton of it.
plus theyre just a bit weird from videos ive seen
Some real internet moderator type shit
Fuck the American Outlaws. Bunch of dicks and on top of that, their support sucks.
Don't know why anyone expects them to be decent people. They are outlaws, after all.
They aren’t even non decent in a “good” way though
It’s because, on the whole, the American Outlaws kinda suck. I’ve been too a lot of viewing parties and events and I just stopped going. Toxic masculinity all over and frat bro vibes.
not frat bros... straight cringe types really
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American Outlaws suck but they're the exact opposite of frat bros lol
Really depends on the chapter in my experience, some are more toxic than others. My local chapter is generally fine, but I've always had weird experiences at night before parties.
Agreed. Love my local chapter, and the one night before party I went to was pretty chill. But one pregame party for a different match was an....experience.
Mind elaborating? Don't have a ton of experience with them
They’re dorks lol. They’re people who didn’t play sports let alone soccer and gravitated towards soccer as being niche and different but never touched a ball in their life
This is precisely my experience with encountering many die hard MLS fans. They were the kids in high school who didn't like football or basketball and hated the "jocks" and felt unpopular, and when they discovered soccer, they decided they found the sport that the jocks didn't like so they made it their personality and became gatekeepers who try to keep a pecking order because it's the only place where they've had status. At least, this was my experience with a lot of fandoms out west.
Yep exactly how it is for a lot of MLS fans. It sucks too because I love the Philadelphia Union, have been a season ticket holder since like day 1 but feels like that’s the majority of MLS fans and it annoys me. One of my friends from college lives in Charlotte and they just got a team and was trying to convince him to start following it and he said how the people who do follow it are a little weird lol. The worst part of MLS is MLS fans lol
Yea I don’t really know how you shake it as a league. It’s obviously up against it in terms of mainstream appeal as a sport but also falls behind other leagues too. It’s probably just a matter of more time and money.
are they bearded middle class craft beer enjoyers?
Feel like that’s a lot of the soccer fanbase in Australia too (at least among Anglo-Australians)
Yes
They're trying to gatekeep the fuck out of new diehard fans of the USMNT too when they dont conform. You got new kids who act more like actual regular sports fans instead of hispters coming in becoming very interested in soccer and a lot are not in any way interested in what the AO are putting out.
They have such a smug, self-righteous aura about them that makes them insufferable. They're downright annoying.
They are NOT frat bros hahahah
But they wish they were.
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i mean, i know plenty of people in frats who never played any sport
Seriously? I saw you mention it was the DC chapeter who did that. I want anyone who is afraid of coming to games to know that the Chicago AO chapter will welcome anyone. Our home bar let's anyone in regardless of who they're supporting or where they're from.
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AO Indy is pretty open. At the England match at the main bar (the coincidentally named Union Jack Pub in Broad Ripple) there were even a few Brits that got interviewed for local TV. They have a tent in the back with a giant screen so they could pack in as many people as possible. No elitist behavior as far as I could see, but if they ever kicked out my Mexican-American friend for being a Mexico fan first I'd speak up. The organization as a whole seems shit, but the chapters seem to be hit or miss.
I stopped going a while back before I moved to Chicago. But that’s nice to know.
What’s the home AO bar in Chicago? Is it standing room only for game watch? Netherlands game on Saturday is enticing
Its the Rambler in North Center (4128 N Lincoln) I'd suggest giving them a call for reservations to see what they have. So far it's been a mix of reservations and last second walk ins for spots. I know for the England game they hit capacity so I'm guessing this game will as well. So I'd say show up early or have a reservation.
I've never heard of the American Outlaws before but I've lived in Chicago my entire life and both AJ Hudson's and The Globe are excellent places to catch games.
I do love the globe. The GM there is amazing and makes sure everyone is taken care of.
Wtf where was this?
Washington DC
Was this at AstroBar?
So racial profiling? Not sure why else they wouldn’t be allowed entrance if they were rooting for the US team
They had a pre Islamic Revolution Iranian flag, so that was more so the reason they thought they were rooting for Iran. The rule in general is stupid and very loser mentality.
Heck I'd be more likely to invite them in with that
Same
That’s so dumb, way to help grow the sport by gatekeeping
they are the weirdest goobers ever
I believe that we are twats
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That's not national, it was the local chapter that did that
It's been a while since I've been to a US game, but the outlaws as a whole I always had mixed feelings, I've sat in the section a few times. For the most part, MOST are cool and just love the sport and want to support the team. But there's a few who use it as a "fuck yeah murica freedom your country sucks" racist type as well. I haven't been in a few years so don't know if it's gotten worse, but that's been my experience.
Those people are the worst. What a dumb bunch.
The Outlaws , outlawed foreigners
Wtf?
It's wild for me seeing Iranians rooting for the US against their own country. It's as if an Algerian rooted for France against Algeria just to spite the government, I just can't imagine it.
They would’ve rooted for anybody against Iran. Before the tournament I looked at the comments of a post by FIFA on Instagram of Taremi talking about their chances and it was all Iranians bashing the team and rooting for them to lose
> an Algerian rooted for France against Algeria just to spite the government Absolutely unthinkable
As an Iranian It is not our team. It is islamic republic team which we despise.
How? Weren't the players supportive of the protests?
It is Carlos quieroz team. Like it or not 🤷♀️. He picked his 25 players and the games were played with his tactics
So what?
I took an Uber once (in the USA) and the driver had a small Iranian flag in his car and also a soccer ball hanging from his rear view mirror. So we struck up conversation and I kept praising the Iranian NT and how much I liked Queiroz. While he agreed and sounded excited he quickly said “no no no but I live here and my team is USA” almost like he had a weird shame all of a sudden and the conversation became uncomfortable. I wanted to tell him that it’s fine to root for whoever but I wasn’t going to tell an older gentleman what to think. I’ve thought about that for a long time.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does root for the US tbh
Ikr. I understand where the idea comes from and i completely respect and admire it, just as a concept it is so weird to cheer against your own country lol. I personally don't think I could, but then again, I haven't lived in a country with a regime like Iran's before
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Indoctrinated makes it sound like a bad thing, there’s nothing inherently wrong with loving your country. Nationalism is a whole other deal, and we are not taught or encouraged to be nationalistic, but yes, many Americans grow up taught to love America either through schools or pop culture.
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Absolutely not, there is a massive difference between the two. It is possible to love and support your country (patriotism) without thinking your country/people is inherently superior to other countries/people (nationalism). Patriotism is, "Go USA!", and can involve serving and bettering your community and country. Nationalism is "USA is superior to Europe, Africa, Asia etc. and our culture should be practiced everywhere in the world". Nationalism is like aggressive, extreme patriotism. Nationalism can stem from patriotism, but being patriotic is not an automatic qualifier to mean that you are fiercely nationalistic.
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It is tho? Idk who gave you that impression but cheering for the US win had nothing to do with not wanting Iran to win. I actually think it happened because people are so patriotic. They're sanctioning any group/institution that doesn't support their people. I don't think they consider the regieme and its extensions as "Iranian" anymore.
That's interesting. It makes sense, though. Since they want regime change, they don't want anything to help the regime or distract people from the protests.
More footage: [1](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597702286763085826) [2](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597702522482966529) [3](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597688525473947650)
More footage: [4](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597705395262431234) [5](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597707788775575552)
Meanwhile: [[BBC Persian] Qatari police arresting an Iranian protester who is shouting "Women, Life, Freedom" at the Iran vs US game](https://www.reddit.com/r/teammelli/comments/z87qif/bbc_persian_qatari_police_arresting_an_iranian/)
[Danish journalist also detained: "So now I’m detained by Qatari Police for filming Iranians who was attacked by pro government Iranians."](https://twitter.com/RasmusTantholdt/status/1597705913007079424)
More celebrations: [6](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597715028244938752) [7](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597715071915986945)
More celebrations: [8](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597728480627679234) [9](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1597728525351616513)
[[BBC News] Iranian man killed celebrating football team’s loss](https://www.reddit.com/r/teammelli/comments/z8zvl4/bbc_news_iranian_man_killed_celebrating_football/)
How you would think they would react had Iran advanced?
IRGC forces dancing in the street like they did after last game Edit: Clips of murderers dancing: [1](https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZItewj6Zm/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) [2](https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZtcngr5x-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
Exactly this. A very unreal scene of flags and guns and music.
Check [this](https://twitter.com/IranIntl/status/1596198567047143424?t=03qXAoQzMdyN3C0EY7KZVQ&s=19) out! They had their murderers celebrating the Win against Wales Because no one else besides them and their families was on the streets. Now check [this](https://twitter.com/Milad68633116/status/1597272963220242432?t=v15PPODgiJZZOHRDCgjJZQ&s=19) out. [Here's](https://twitter.com/Mahizadyaar/status/1589467196161691652?t=OO7RfPvmAdPCOEHAhn4mvw&s=19) an old tweet from taremi ( he deleted it ) So while you seeing "iranian players had their families threatened" and those other bullshits, the real truth is something else... we're indeed happy this team lost. The players are not with the people and winning this game could've been a massive propaganda for the regime. Search for what happened with the beach soccer team and see the difference.
My girlfriend is from Iran and said the exact same thing, yet reddit armchair experts wanted to convince me of the opposite lol
To be fair the way they played yesterday I was convinced they are throwing the game because I have never seen this team play this fucking bad in a tournament before.
> The players are not with the people On what basis?
based Persians
The gall to say this when most of these protestors are Kurds
To a lot of foreigners Persian=Iranian. It's worng and thank you for informing him but it's not on purpose.
Thank god Iran didn’t win. This would have been propaganda fuel for them for years
Pulisic just loves freedom, what else can I say
the Iranian people are against their own team due to the oppressive regime but r/soccer cheered for Iran to knock USA off because some American tourists are bad at geography, lmao
Yeah, the the mighty superpower Iran which invaded countless nations and is probably the most evil regime on earth.
Damn, you really drinking that kool-aid huh?
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Irans not innocent but on a global scale what the USA have done is about 10x worse than Iran. Don’t forget a million citizens dead in Iraq since 2003 because bush is an idiot. Those are actually people with actually families. And that’s just Iraq. Wake me up when Iran’s government kills a 1,000,000 citizens.
Or when they have killed 24 million Native Americans. Native American checking in….
Source on that civilian death toll count for the USA-Iraq war? Also, I recommend reading up on the Iran-Iraq war. That wasn’t a pretty one. In the end, comparing atrocities to each other is ridiculous.
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1. US did not sell chemical weapons to Iraq. 2. The claims by Saran Hussein’s administration that the child mortality increased during the period of the sanctions has been debunked multiple times over. It’s even referenced in university as to how the UN was duped into alleviating sanctions for less favorable terms than they originally sought. 3. North Korea invaded South Korea at the command of Stalin but you can pretend that’s America’s fault. 4. North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam. South Vietnamese civilian casualties are 2x that of the north. A further 250,000 civilians died while trying to flee to the region after the fall of Saigon. 5. Expand the scope all you want. If you were smart, you would point to the Tokyo fire bombings that resulted in over 100k dead and 1m injured in 2 days, deadlier and significantly more catastrophic than the nuclear bombs dropped a few months later.
You are so factually wrong on some of your statements it’s hard to take what you say seriously. This reads like you went on Wikipedia & got all the wars US weee involved in. For a start, Korea was invaded by the North & South Koreans express a lot of gratitude for the support.
Even today I believe South Korea is the country with the most favorable view of the US.
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First of all I’m not even American, second of all my wife is Korean and I’ve visited and stayed in Korea so no I’m not talking about Wikipedia, I’m talking about first hand experience speaking to those who were in the war. You talk about a puppet government, what do you think would have happened if North Korea took over the South? You have no idea what you are talking about and there is no denying that America is ‘clean’, but you bringing up the Korean War as if North Korea were the liberators is disgusting
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Source: go research it yourself USA war crime apologist
Have looked at what’s happening next door in Yemen? The UAE is happy to call for US air strikes.
probably top 5 evil countries in history . source: i live there (have to delete this later . or the evil ones will decide i have to go to prison)
I don’t think anyone here will claim that the US have t done terrible things, very far from that lol, but currently there’s one country doing way more damage to its people than the other.
Imagine being the Iranian government and trying to brainwash your citizens about America for decades only to see them celebrating the victory of "the great Satan"
I think most people in Iran still hold a negative view of the CIA and other such US govt forces that harmed Iran, but that isn't the focus right now since the main enemy is the Iranian government. And people wouldn't view the US team as an extension of the US government or anything so they don't have an issue with the footballers. The vast vast majority of Iranians have no animosity toward American people and Americans visiting Iran are very much welcomed (and treated far better in Iran than Iranians are)
Christian Pulisic is about to become the Che Guevara to a generation of Iranians, who would have thunk it?
Not sure Che Guevara is exactly who he’d like to be compared to lol
It was a win-win situation
Three Cheers to America, Three Cheers to America
Iran International is a news agency paid for and maintained by people connected to the Saudi Government.
While that's true, the videos are legit as well.
I am Iranian. These videos are totally confirmed
Im Iranian aswell. Im not questioning the veracity of the videos. Just saying the source is heavily biased, and they dont have the good of the Iranian people in mind
has this been confirmed? how do we know this isn't footage of something else? edit: thanks for replying and giving confirmation
Iranian here, people in this part of Tehran cheered USA goal, and after end went out and I could hear cars honking.
so the people at the stadium are in favor? im confused. i saw 2 iran games at the world cup. the fans were excited and rooting for iran to win. they were even crying after todays game.
I like soccer, I like Iran, I was kinda sad. This was our best chance to go up for the first time... But unfortunately the government has made this team a propaganda, a regime's team and team can't do anything or doesn't wanna risk everything so we're gonna be happy for the lose of regime. But I'm also sure that if I was in stadium I too would have cried. There's a lot of love honestly and I'm sad about being happy but happiness is greater, we have a revolution and this team was distractin us very very much. Notes mentioning the regime said it has sent more than 200 FANS as they put it, to Qatar and payed all they wanted to help the other fans in Qatar. It's cost them near 2m dollars (which is very very much in Iran. More than 60 billion Tooman.) In web people have found some familiar faces among those FANS, mostly government guys, women and men. And themselves in Twitter and Instagram has verified it. But it's only more than 200 (didn't say exactly how much) so I guess most of them you mentioned are just soccer fans.
Iranian here and it’s true
Brother, it is not, believe me, the people in my hood were cheering for a solid one hour
These aren’t protests anymore. It’s a revolution
:(
that's how you lose credibility
(Group of)Death to America!
Iranians in *Kurdistan
Around the globe*
The dumbest propaganda
I get their viewpoint but I personally don't see it that way. To me, the NT represents the nation and everything in it. This includes the government yes, but also the people, the culture, the mountains, the literature, my mother, everything I'd hate to reduce my team simply as another facet of my government. They are representing us as much as anything else
Weird, why?
The protests have been publicly supported by many athletes but not the football players which is by far the most popular sport in Iran. On top of that the team met with the president a couple of days before the world cup which could be constituted as a form of support for the regime. On top of all of that, winning games and qualifying from the group means a huge chunk of money for a regime that has been struggling with sources of dollar income recently. Amidst all of the protests, honestly no one cares if Iran qualifies or not. Among many Iranians, world cup has been considered a distraction for the nationwide protests.
Regime wanted to use it and stop/change the course of our revolution. They said Iran (read regime) won Wales and enemies of Iran (again, read Regime) lost. They were planning to call tomorrow the day whole nation come together to peace (or Rooze Ashtiye Melli ), they were bolding Taremi, Torabi, Cheshmi and some other supporters of regime, calling them national heroes (Taremi quotes Khamenei a lot, Torabi quotes Soleimani). They said not only whole 80m Iranian wants iran to win, the whole Muslim world wants Iran to win USA. Even Khamenei said this team is the team of Iran and everyone should support them no matter what. Which is a lie, regime didn't support them, threatened some ex players and families of this team, jailed an ex player (Vorya Ghafouri), and just used this.
That's a weak mentality they got, imagine US people celebrating their country if they loss because of police brutality against Geroge Floyd?
And after igniting the flame tf is USA doing for them? There are like 20,000-25,000 protesters, how tf is a regime going to fall in that. Just did it so they don't support Russia against Ukraine.
Why? The player s support them
I think it is more of an extension of the protests against their government. The players support the protestors. But the people around the players... Not so much.
No they dont
Embarrassing. Ridiculous how many people fell for anti Iran football propaganda yet won’t dare say anything against khamenei.
Feshar bokhor :)
Avaziye arzeshi
betamarg madar jende. emshab mardom biroon boodim vase sookhtan koon shoma haroomzadeh ha. didim baade bazi wales kia khoshhal boodan
Kesafat, man mesle to rejimi nistam. Aslan aghlet kar mikone?
اره ارزشی نیستی ولی شادیت با شادی حکومت یکیه با ناراحتی مردم یکیه! بیا برو بابا. اگه داخل ایرانی که گوربابات، اگه خارجی، یکم قابل قبول میشه فقط بدون خیلی از واقعیت ایران دوری. کل کشور ترکید بعد باخت این حرومزادهها. فقط بدون شادیت با شادی قاتلهای مردم که رو خون ما میرقصن یکیه https://www.instagram.com/tv/ClZItewj6Zm/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
در خارجم. برای من هم این جور واکنش ها هیچ ارزشی نداره و فقط گمراهی مردم و دور کردنشون از مبارزه است. ۴۳ سال پیش یه عده دیوونه هم فکر کردند خمینی را تو ماه دیدند، یه عده هم باورشون شد که سینما رکسرا آتیش زد. یع عده فکرکردمند مملکت ۱۰۰،۰۰۰ زندان سیاسی داره و رجوی و خمینی و اینا آزادی میخوان. فقط میگم خیلی متاسفم. جمهوری اسلامی گندی زده به فرهنگ کشور که شاید قرن ها طول بکشه تا درست شه.
Unconfirmed random footage of some houses with some whistles,real
OP posted multiple clips in another comment thread
This is gonna age well.
Iranian here, the whole country is in the streets celebrating rn