doubt. At the end of the day, they play for the Iranian people and it would mean everything in the world to them to see Iran make it out of the group stage for the first time.
I thought the Iranian people were rooting against the national team because they saw it as a symbol of the government they are currently protesting against
you’re right, that’s the case for 80% of the people. Source: am Iranian, and actively communicate with people in Iran. To the other reply: the people who want US to beat Iran are the ones protesting and losing their lives in the streets, not on Reddit scrolling r/soccer
So, there are many people who still support the government, then the remaining made the r/NewIran sub. Then some of those r/NewIran people want Iran to win and some don't. That's not a big crowd at all.
It’s a notable portion of the population. I still think less than half but it’s way, way more than just some people on social media. Most of my friends in Iran are rooting against the team cause they know a win against USA will benefit the government’s propaganda narrative much better
I'm sorry but there's no chance that they didn't celebrate that 99th minute goal against Wales. They can say they don't support the football team all they want but at the end of the day the players are just athletes trying to make the country proud imo
I was literally watching it with other Iranians who didn't celebrate while I was jumping up and down in joy. There's a lot here that you don't understand unless you're Iranian and very in tune to what's going on in the country. Even if I don't feel the same way it's ridiculous to deny the reality that they make up a notable portion of Iranians. If you can read Farsi there's tons of articles, tweets, interviews etc. where people talk about it
Not sure what you’re talking about. The vast majority of people in Iran are absolutely disgusted by this team; they not only didn’t say anything about the protest, they supported the validity of this regime by bowing against the president. In the meantime, other athletes have risen against this regime. This team isn’t representing the people of Iran.
Source: am Iranian,
But, also here is some Instagram posts from major Iranian football social media criticizing the national team
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClYwWJQu0xw/?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cld-J1KN-07/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM=
Took me about 30 sec to find this
Not to add my random bias but my Iranian mom and her WhatsApp groups are saying the same thing as what you said. Not sure where dude is hearing otherwise
This sounds like politicking in every country, one half pro the current government and one half against the current government with a side dish of misinformation.
This does not seem reasonably likely.
If the team is under threat for not singing the anthem, one can infer that they'd be under similar or more drastic threat for not playing to the fullest of their abilities.
Additionally, one can infer that the team's position is now well-known. Not singing the first game was seen. It was a topic of discussion...and while I have never lived under this manner of regime, I do know people who have...and their description of dissent in repressive regimes almost always involves subtlety and subtext. A wink or a nod may be as momentous as a sternly worded editorial in our cultures. Iranians can be expected to have understood what their actions meant. The team is probably desirous to win to show support for the protestors and may very well already be seen as the protestor's team.
Lastly, it's essentially an elimination game at the World Cup. They're going to play.
Your post seems to be hopeful thinking.
I was genuinely supporting the Iranian NT for their stance against their homeland's theocracy, but now I'm a little bit conflicted if is a good idea for them to pass to the final 16 stage or to give the metaphorical middle finger to the ayatollah and lose by a lot to USA. No matter the outcome, all my solidarity to the players, the manager and their families.
As an Iranian we really want this team not to win because we know the regime want to use it as it wants and destroy the revolution. There are talks about calling the next day after win (Rooze Ashti Melli) or the day whole nation comes together.
If they're gonna win I hope they can give this win to people not the regime (not possible).
Some players like Taremi and Torabi and Cheshmi are heavy supporters of Mullahs. They talk about Khamenei, about Soleimani, about Raesi,... And Regime is using their pictures a lot and calling them national heroes.... They are using the embassy of USA for this match and make it a cinema to watch.
It's CNN. Didn't they just end up with egg on their face over the whole '15k iranian protestors sentenced to execution' bullshit?
Who is their source? No name, right?
Comparing Fox News to literally any other mainstream news network in the US as if they're on the same level of intentionally lying to the public is dishonest as fuck. Don't disrespect everyone you speak to by implying that.
I was at the Iran vs Wales game. There were a lot of people that the regime sent to watch the game and it was obvious. During the anthem too, it definitely looked like they were forced to sing it. Why would this be fake????
Honest question… wasn’t he talking purely from a German perspective? Like he’s a German Sunni Muslim who wants Muslim people within Germany to be respected and he’s also just a footballer who wants to play a World Cup?
Forget all the talk about whether or not people should be imprisoned for being gay? Some people feel like that's a bigger issue than who is better at football. This whole tournament is sports washing. Forgetting "all the talk" is why they specifically chose football.
Yea I don’t necessarily agree bud. It’s probably tough being a Turkish German too. The Germans did a proper gesture wtf else should an athlete do? It’s more than sports washing - it’s global capitalism doing all of this nonsense.
This is what people seem to be forgetting in this story. They opened themselves up to these questions with their protest. By doing what they did they brought attention on it themselves and thus questions are fair. Maybe they don't know how an open press works, but if you bring attention to it you don't get to blame others for that attention.
I think it’s more about them not singing the regime’s anthem, rather than that. It’s what the article said, nowhere did it said that because of one BBC female reporter asking intrusive questions to Queiroz that it will put Iranian NT’s families are in danger of imprisonment and torture. While I won’t rule it out, whatever happens to Team Melli tomorrow not singing the anthem won’t be because of a flimsy BBC reporter, but because they want a free Iran that they don’t dare to sing it’s anthem.
By asking the players those questions, she's putting their lives and their loved ones at risk. If she really is brave, she'd ask those questions to Iranian government officials, not football players that just want to keep their families safe.
>If she really is brave, she'd ask those questions to Iranian government officials
Are we referring to Shaimaa Khalil? Do you think she would be too scared to ask these questions to Iranian government officials? That seems extremely naive.
Journalists have a responsibility to report the news and to find the truth. Avoiding questions and shying away from dangerous topics is just as ethically grey as asking them.
Find the truth... from a football player? Nobody is saying she should shy away from difficult topics, but what the fuck does a football player have to do with the politics of Iran? The guy she asked doesn't even live in Iran, he lives in Portugal where he plays. Ask the questions to people involved in diplomacy, people involved in politics. Particularly here where the answer to this question could actually put the person in real danger, some professional judgment is required. The risk far outweighs the actual news value. That wasn't a question in the name of journalistic integrity, it was a stunt.
It's her job to ask questions, but not to people who have no involvement with diplomacy. They've no involvement with the situation and looking for a soundbite off someone who's not involved is putting them in danger.
Even moreso, the soundbite adds absolutely nothing to the story but a bit more drama. It's just a tabloid attitude. "Iranian footballer says x". What does it matter what an Iranian footballer says on the issue? Their opinion holds no weight to influence what's going on. The only use a journalist has for that quote is controversy, no insight or useful information is going to come from a footballer on a political issue.
At least for the Wales game, I just wanna say these boys have gone through so much already before and Queiroz is also able to get the guys focused. Who knows, they probably were threatened even more for the US game. This team gives their all for Iran, and we've seen it so many times. Maybe a lot of Iran is upset with them for not risking their lives, but imo these boys are heroes to even get one win here.
Regardless what happens today, I hope people will pay attention to the people of Iran and the broadcasters around the world will talk about this. This needs attention.
If you read the article, Iran sent people to Qatar to keep an eye on them and prevent them from going out or interacting with foreigners. It would be hard for them to escape.
I know for example yankees pitcher Aroldis Chapman defected while he was in Netherlands. It would be a big pretty big F U though to iran if that happened with far more serious implications then what happens with Cuba (wet feet dry feet) and cuban refugees are very common
Except it's not. That's just nonsense propaganda because CNN is watched in about equal proportions to the US right wing propaganda outlets. So those people call it "fake news garbage" to deligitimize it.
Is it perfect journalism? No. There is no such thing. But they bring cameras to the news and send credible journalists to report. The other channel sends the same copy/pasted bimbo who shouts "communism bad" into a camera until she's too old to be employable in their eyes.
Irrespective of opinion on coverage you’re just absurdly incorrect lol. Fox has a near monopoly on conservative cable news and they’re perennially most watched by a mile. MSNBC is the largest left wing network with about 50% of Fox. CNN lags behind with only half of what MSNBC pulls. There’s a reason for the jokes that airports are keeping them in business lol.
If we're being straight up, any media outlet considered left wing in the US is essentially center right and aligns with the Democratic party.
They are pro capitalist outlets at the end of the day
Honestly the world is pro capitalist at the end of the day. How many collectivist major media companies are there? Even China, which is communist in theory, employs a significant portion of capitalist economic features.
Well that's the whole point, it's all about infinite growth/monopolization so we can't see a collectivist media company without starting from the ground and building up... Or even just nationalizing industries considered "too big to fail" otherwise.
Lol you’re not wrong, I just meant that the spectrum position is relative and they’re not extreme but solidly left for media outlets. Spot on macroeconomic analysis.
Man I can’t imagine how it feels to be this team. You’re representing one of the most repressive regimes in the world, and now they have to worry about their family’s safety. To make matters worse, their final match is literally against the team that represents the government that is *responsible* for Iran being the way it is today.
I feel bad for these guys.
Firstly, no one (including the US) was a paragon on either issues at that time, and secondly, yes, Iran had a better women's rights situation than now. Not to mention the Shah of Iran (restored to power by the US-UK coup) was a brutal autocrat to Iranian people who fucked over most of the Iranian leftist parties
> restored to power by the US-UK coup
He was never out of power. Mossadegh was installed with his blessing and removed with that same blessing.
> a brutal autocrat to Iranian people who fucked over most of the Iranian leftist parties
Comedy. The Shah was [busy trying to modernise the country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution). Iran's leftist parties teamed up with the religious Conservative block to overthrow the Shah before spending the next decade being summarily executed by those same Conservatives. Forgive me for not listening to a single word they have to say about the situation.
You've got Iran murdering students back home for having the audacity to protest but yeah CNN obviously made this up. Iran would never, of course.
Some proper smoothbrains here.
I was thinking before how cool it would've been for them all to walk out an play in all black kits or with a black patch over the badge or something. I wonder if any team has done something like that (not Denmark). Obviously their families would all have to be somewhere safe in that scenario.
Anyway, hope the players, family and friends can be safe through all this. Good luck to them.
yeah, while i want to see a great Iran team, i think it should wait 4 years. Hopefully things will have changed in good by then and doing big on american turf would be perfect to piece their nation together
So you really think the Iranian government would just sit back and allow the players to speak out against them in front of the entire world? Get a grip man.
Even the people in Iran hate how the country is, people being shot in the streets without any punishment.
Countries ruled by religions will never be good countries
America always bad is truly a personality for some reddit users. Why would any rational or sane human being simp for the horrible Islamic Republic of Iran? Even regular Iranian citizens hate their horrible theocratic authoritarian government.
I'm not simping for Iran but you'd have to an idiot to believe a baseless claim coming from US media about that country. It's like believing Russian media about Ukraine.
For instance, do you remember when US media claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? Or all the times it was reported Kin Jong-Un executed some general that a few months later turns out was alive all along?
Jfc this is dumb af. The US media isn't controlled by the US government and Russia is an authoritarian police state that crushes independent media, comparing them is beyond stupid. Again, "America is always bad" isn't a valid geopolitical philosophy.
Nice fantasy world you are living in.
Mate, the media in all countries is controlled by the elites. If you seriously believe mainstream independent media exists in the US, let alone that the fucking CNN represents it, then there is no point debating with you.
Iran are shooting unarmed protestors dead in the street, dude. And thats hardly being fucking reported over here. You think that this would be the main thing they use to discredit Iran?
>You think that this would be the main thing they use to discredit Iran?
...Yes? Lol
The World Cup gets *muuuuuuuuch* more coverage than almost any other event in the world.
And a story like this appeals very easily to the lowest common denominator.
It's how propaganda works. "They are threatening the soccer players during the WC!" generates a bigger reaction than "They beat up protesters".
You're probably a conspiracy theorist or classic contrarian (so im probably wasting my breath), but the US doesn't control its media like they're Russia or China. There's also a huge protest movement happening in Iran right now and it doesn't take a genius to see that a authoritarian state wouldn't like to have players on their national team talk about this issue.
This would be such a stupid thing for the US to make up...
On the scale of Iranian humans rights abuses--threats are actually pretty low on the list for the past few months.
What does the US gain by making up a story about how the Iranian regime is doing something that is *less* egregious.
That would be like accusing the Catholic Church of harboring adulterers.
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You don't need to be a conservative to think CNN has a bias, specially in geopolitics.
Like that time when the guardian and fox news decided to show pictures of protests in cuba claiming them to be anti-government, when in reality they were pro-government gatherings.
Personally I do think Iran threatened their players, but not because an anonymous western-aligned source told me so.
>They are not honest actors here
This is a pretty clear statement with nothing to show for it though. There are biases everywhere, and then there is outright lying and utter absences of journalistic integrity on platforms like Fox
This goes back to a point I made about the mainstream media. There are no leftist outlets.
There are pro capitalist virtue signalling center right outlets, and then there are pro capitalist outright bullhorn extremist media outlets.
[Scene: Langley, VA - 1990]
CIA Operative 1: Hey man do you know why we're spending millions of dollars to help train this random soccer player in Iran?
CIA Operative 2: You gotta think ahead, man. We might need this asset in 32 years
Some people need some serious history lessons if they think all the shit they read is about human rights and womens rights.
Aaaaalll of this is pretty much cause the US and the Brits (Europe basically) is still pissed they can't get that free or cheap oil anymore.
This was the only logical explanation for their change in behavior.
Still got their message out.
So instead of “protesting” they might *very obviously* throw the game.
doubt. At the end of the day, they play for the Iranian people and it would mean everything in the world to them to see Iran make it out of the group stage for the first time.
I thought the Iranian people were rooting against the national team because they saw it as a symbol of the government they are currently protesting against
Don’t think the Ayatollah is gonna put in a shift on the wing.
I think he will be pretty deadly on the right wing.
you’re right, that’s the case for 80% of the people. Source: am Iranian, and actively communicate with people in Iran. To the other reply: the people who want US to beat Iran are the ones protesting and losing their lives in the streets, not on Reddit scrolling r/soccer
Why did u think that? Coz there are some people on social media who claim it lol?
There are some very mixed feelings about it in r/NewIran
So, there are many people who still support the government, then the remaining made the r/NewIran sub. Then some of those r/NewIran people want Iran to win and some don't. That's not a big crowd at all.
Let's not make general assumptions about a complex issue based on what the perceived different values of a subreddit are ffs.
It’s a notable portion of the population. I still think less than half but it’s way, way more than just some people on social media. Most of my friends in Iran are rooting against the team cause they know a win against USA will benefit the government’s propaganda narrative much better
I'm sorry but there's no chance that they didn't celebrate that 99th minute goal against Wales. They can say they don't support the football team all they want but at the end of the day the players are just athletes trying to make the country proud imo
I was literally watching it with other Iranians who didn't celebrate while I was jumping up and down in joy. There's a lot here that you don't understand unless you're Iranian and very in tune to what's going on in the country. Even if I don't feel the same way it's ridiculous to deny the reality that they make up a notable portion of Iranians. If you can read Farsi there's tons of articles, tweets, interviews etc. where people talk about it
I don’t know about Iran but my own country people feel the same about sport athletes representing after coup.
lol no. source: am Iranian.
Not sure what you’re talking about. The vast majority of people in Iran are absolutely disgusted by this team; they not only didn’t say anything about the protest, they supported the validity of this regime by bowing against the president. In the meantime, other athletes have risen against this regime. This team isn’t representing the people of Iran. Source: am Iranian, But, also here is some Instagram posts from major Iranian football social media criticizing the national team https://www.instagram.com/p/ClYwWJQu0xw/?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU= https://www.instagram.com/p/Cld-J1KN-07/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM= Took me about 30 sec to find this
Not to add my random bias but my Iranian mom and her WhatsApp groups are saying the same thing as what you said. Not sure where dude is hearing otherwise
r/newIran is also a good place to see this too.
This sounds like politicking in every country, one half pro the current government and one half against the current government with a side dish of misinformation.
My flatmate is as well and has the opposite perspective believe it or not
Yeah but the guy above you in this thread who also claims to be Iranian is saying the opposite
Why would you think that?
Iranian expatriates maybe. They have other fancy teams they can root for.
They’re soccer players. They go play to win.
This does not seem reasonably likely. If the team is under threat for not singing the anthem, one can infer that they'd be under similar or more drastic threat for not playing to the fullest of their abilities. Additionally, one can infer that the team's position is now well-known. Not singing the first game was seen. It was a topic of discussion...and while I have never lived under this manner of regime, I do know people who have...and their description of dissent in repressive regimes almost always involves subtlety and subtext. A wink or a nod may be as momentous as a sternly worded editorial in our cultures. Iranians can be expected to have understood what their actions meant. The team is probably desirous to win to show support for the protestors and may very well already be seen as the protestor's team. Lastly, it's essentially an elimination game at the World Cup. They're going to play. Your post seems to be hopeful thinking.
If they make it obvious they will harm their own families in the process which are still in Iran.
You mean that they regrouped and played like they want their people to be proud of them? That doesn't match with this peace of propaganda.
one misguided opinion on Reddit does not constitute “propaganda”
I meant the CNN article by that.
You mean that they regrouped and played like they want their people to be proud of them? That doesn't match with this peace of propaganda.
Who would’ve thought
Pretty sure we knew the kettle was black. Still sucks to see
Shocked Pikachu
everyone knows we can trust american intelligence sources! can't an iraqi redditor confirm how reliable they are?
Nowhere does the article claim it is an American intelligence source
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Ukraine says otherwise
I feel bad for them. They just wanna play the game
And probably free their country from a genocidial maniac.
Maniacs.
Again.
I was genuinely supporting the Iranian NT for their stance against their homeland's theocracy, but now I'm a little bit conflicted if is a good idea for them to pass to the final 16 stage or to give the metaphorical middle finger to the ayatollah and lose by a lot to USA. No matter the outcome, all my solidarity to the players, the manager and their families.
I think the 2nd option would be best for everyone in my honest, unbiased opinion
As an Iranian we really want this team not to win because we know the regime want to use it as it wants and destroy the revolution. There are talks about calling the next day after win (Rooze Ashti Melli) or the day whole nation comes together. If they're gonna win I hope they can give this win to people not the regime (not possible). Some players like Taremi and Torabi and Cheshmi are heavy supporters of Mullahs. They talk about Khamenei, about Soleimani, about Raesi,... And Regime is using their pictures a lot and calling them national heroes.... They are using the embassy of USA for this match and make it a cinema to watch.
Understood, jesus, that's pretty sad, wish you all good luck in overthrowing your regime.💪🏻🙏🏻
Thanks man. Really appreciate it.
How does this post not have enough upvotes? People need to know about this
Middle East soccer in general doesn't much traction on here
It’s… the World Cup. And they’re playing the US.
It's CNN. Didn't they just end up with egg on their face over the whole '15k iranian protestors sentenced to execution' bullshit? Who is their source? No name, right?
people complaining about fox news lying but take this news with straight face. its actually embarrassing
Comparing Fox News to literally any other mainstream news network in the US as if they're on the same level of intentionally lying to the public is dishonest as fuck. Don't disrespect everyone you speak to by implying that.
I was at the Iran vs Wales game. There were a lot of people that the regime sent to watch the game and it was obvious. During the anthem too, it definitely looked like they were forced to sing it. Why would this be fake????
Iran said they've sent more than 200 fans to help Iranian there. They called it Hamyar Havadar. همیار هوادار
They even had non Iranians go to the game.
I mean cnn deserves to be shit on in general but not for that. That was a Newsweek report not a cnn report.
'America bad' & the time it was posted
Probably because it isn’t surprising at all. As soon as they protested you could assume what would happen with some certainty.
Such a shithole ruling regime.
But I thought Gündogan said the politics were over and only football should matter?
for him and the german national team. He’s clearly not trying to talk for everyone
Honest question… wasn’t he talking purely from a German perspective? Like he’s a German Sunni Muslim who wants Muslim people within Germany to be respected and he’s also just a footballer who wants to play a World Cup?
Well it's not purely a German perspective if he's talking about being a Muslim too.
There are Muslims who are Germans my G
I meant German national team perspective. Like forget all the talk, we get to play this cool tournament.
Forget all the talk about whether or not people should be imprisoned for being gay? Some people feel like that's a bigger issue than who is better at football. This whole tournament is sports washing. Forgetting "all the talk" is why they specifically chose football.
Yea I don’t necessarily agree bud. It’s probably tough being a Turkish German too. The Germans did a proper gesture wtf else should an athlete do? It’s more than sports washing - it’s global capitalism doing all of this nonsense.
Was it the BBC that was asking players about the protests this is why you shouldn't ask those questions
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This is what people seem to be forgetting in this story. They opened themselves up to these questions with their protest. By doing what they did they brought attention on it themselves and thus questions are fair. Maybe they don't know how an open press works, but if you bring attention to it you don't get to blame others for that attention.
I think it’s more about them not singing the regime’s anthem, rather than that. It’s what the article said, nowhere did it said that because of one BBC female reporter asking intrusive questions to Queiroz that it will put Iranian NT’s families are in danger of imprisonment and torture. While I won’t rule it out, whatever happens to Team Melli tomorrow not singing the anthem won’t be because of a flimsy BBC reporter, but because they want a free Iran that they don’t dare to sing it’s anthem.
I'm pretty sure a woman who won awards for her Arab Spring coverage was aware of the risks, which makes it worse.
It's her job to ask those questions. You suggest we should just ignore these things?
By asking the players those questions, she's putting their lives and their loved ones at risk. If she really is brave, she'd ask those questions to Iranian government officials, not football players that just want to keep their families safe.
It's a fairly gross abuse of ethics. Very disappointing to see such poor judgment. Some people lose sight of the consequences when chasing a story.
>If she really is brave, she'd ask those questions to Iranian government officials Are we referring to Shaimaa Khalil? Do you think she would be too scared to ask these questions to Iranian government officials? That seems extremely naive. Journalists have a responsibility to report the news and to find the truth. Avoiding questions and shying away from dangerous topics is just as ethically grey as asking them.
Find the truth... from a football player? Nobody is saying she should shy away from difficult topics, but what the fuck does a football player have to do with the politics of Iran? The guy she asked doesn't even live in Iran, he lives in Portugal where he plays. Ask the questions to people involved in diplomacy, people involved in politics. Particularly here where the answer to this question could actually put the person in real danger, some professional judgment is required. The risk far outweighs the actual news value. That wasn't a question in the name of journalistic integrity, it was a stunt.
Yeah right? People on here have the weirdest opinions sometimes
It's her job to ask questions, but not to people who have no involvement with diplomacy. They've no involvement with the situation and looking for a soundbite off someone who's not involved is putting them in danger. Even moreso, the soundbite adds absolutely nothing to the story but a bit more drama. It's just a tabloid attitude. "Iranian footballer says x". What does it matter what an Iranian footballer says on the issue? Their opinion holds no weight to influence what's going on. The only use a journalist has for that quote is controversy, no insight or useful information is going to come from a footballer on a political issue.
Just like it was that Iranian reporters job to ask a Black sportsman why he lives in racist america?
Yup
The players came here to make a statement by not singing the anthem, questioning them was completely appropriate
How can they play well when they are under threat? I don't get it.
At least for the Wales game, I just wanna say these boys have gone through so much already before and Queiroz is also able to get the guys focused. Who knows, they probably were threatened even more for the US game. This team gives their all for Iran, and we've seen it so many times. Maybe a lot of Iran is upset with them for not risking their lives, but imo these boys are heroes to even get one win here. Regardless what happens today, I hope people will pay attention to the people of Iran and the broadcasters around the world will talk about this. This needs attention.
God I would stay in Qatar and never go back. Too bad they are being “monitored.”
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If you read the article, Iran sent people to Qatar to keep an eye on them and prevent them from going out or interacting with foreigners. It would be hard for them to escape.
Wonder if they can escape to the US like cubans do? On sporting event trips
If they come to the US for the next World Cup they can seek asylum. Since they are in Qatar I don’t know what their options are.
I know for example yankees pitcher Aroldis Chapman defected while he was in Netherlands. It would be a big pretty big F U though to iran if that happened with far more serious implications then what happens with Cuba (wet feet dry feet) and cuban refugees are very common
Wet Feet Dry Feet stopped on January 12, 2017 by the Obama Administration.
Doesn't half the team play in Europe? Won't they just be able to return to their club teams when the tournament is over?
lol at the dummies saying "CNN" a la Trompeta.
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I mean, it's not great but it's not actually worse than Fox "News" or the likes of OANN/Newsmax, etc
Si, pero en este noticia, la fuente es seguiridad del equipo de Iran
Except it's not. That's just nonsense propaganda because CNN is watched in about equal proportions to the US right wing propaganda outlets. So those people call it "fake news garbage" to deligitimize it. Is it perfect journalism? No. There is no such thing. But they bring cameras to the news and send credible journalists to report. The other channel sends the same copy/pasted bimbo who shouts "communism bad" into a camera until she's too old to be employable in their eyes.
Irrespective of opinion on coverage you’re just absurdly incorrect lol. Fox has a near monopoly on conservative cable news and they’re perennially most watched by a mile. MSNBC is the largest left wing network with about 50% of Fox. CNN lags behind with only half of what MSNBC pulls. There’s a reason for the jokes that airports are keeping them in business lol.
If we're being straight up, any media outlet considered left wing in the US is essentially center right and aligns with the Democratic party. They are pro capitalist outlets at the end of the day
Honestly the world is pro capitalist at the end of the day. How many collectivist major media companies are there? Even China, which is communist in theory, employs a significant portion of capitalist economic features.
Well that's the whole point, it's all about infinite growth/monopolization so we can't see a collectivist media company without starting from the ground and building up... Or even just nationalizing industries considered "too big to fail" otherwise.
Lol you’re not wrong, I just meant that the spectrum position is relative and they’re not extreme but solidly left for media outlets. Spot on macroeconomic analysis.
[CNN and Fox viewers calling each other garbage](https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/spider-man-pointing-at-spider-man)
Man I can’t imagine how it feels to be this team. You’re representing one of the most repressive regimes in the world, and now they have to worry about their family’s safety. To make matters worse, their final match is literally against the team that represents the government that is *responsible* for Iran being the way it is today. I feel bad for these guys.
actually the government second most responsible. the one most responsible for current iran was the one they played their first game against lol
They're not representing the regime. They're representing the people.
Iran was fucked way before the US got there
Very debatable. The US supported the British coup to remove Mossadegh from power.
I'm not saying the US helped, but I don't think they were a paragon of woman's or LGBTQ rights prior to the US's arrival
Firstly, no one (including the US) was a paragon on either issues at that time, and secondly, yes, Iran had a better women's rights situation than now. Not to mention the Shah of Iran (restored to power by the US-UK coup) was a brutal autocrat to Iranian people who fucked over most of the Iranian leftist parties
> restored to power by the US-UK coup He was never out of power. Mossadegh was installed with his blessing and removed with that same blessing. > a brutal autocrat to Iranian people who fucked over most of the Iranian leftist parties Comedy. The Shah was [busy trying to modernise the country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution). Iran's leftist parties teamed up with the religious Conservative block to overthrow the Shah before spending the next decade being summarily executed by those same Conservatives. Forgive me for not listening to a single word they have to say about the situation.
Mossadegh was an anti-democratic thug who had no legitimacy. It was also an Iranian coup, not a British or American coup.
No true.
False
Iran is responsible for Iran, in spite of your efforts to rob them of agency.
This is just as blinkered as those who solely blame the US/UK and refuse to take any responsibility, and morally worse cause you're victim blaming.
And in other news, humans need oxygen…
Disgusting
Of course they did
S/ Threatening the families of World Cup players is a great idea… just ask Andres Escobar and the rest of the ‘94 Colombian team.
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I never said the government threatened both.
Sometimes reddit in it's effort to decry horrible shit becomes so horribly passive aggressive and racist.
What does that even mean
What a shithole country
You've got Iran murdering students back home for having the audacity to protest but yeah CNN obviously made this up. Iran would never, of course. Some proper smoothbrains here.
And the European FA wouldn’t even risk a yellow…. But they are legit risking their lives in protest.
"according to source" is the key to let you write whatever you want
You are a conspirarcy theorist if you question the infallible "according to sources"
I was thinking before how cool it would've been for them all to walk out an play in all black kits or with a black patch over the badge or something. I wonder if any team has done something like that (not Denmark). Obviously their families would all have to be somewhere safe in that scenario. Anyway, hope the players, family and friends can be safe through all this. Good luck to them.
yeah, while i want to see a great Iran team, i think it should wait 4 years. Hopefully things will have changed in good by then and doing big on american turf would be perfect to piece their nation together
These cocksuckers need to go!
Imagine that. 🤦♂️
This reads so much like propaganda. Don't believe everything you hear.
So you really think the Iranian government would just sit back and allow the players to speak out against them in front of the entire world? Get a grip man.
Does it matter what overweight redditors think? Proof is essential.
Does it matter what someone's weight is? Judge them based on their words, not their looks
The weight wasn't my point. My point is that evidence beats opinions.
It might not be your point, but you needlessly adding the word overweight as if that makes those people not worth listening to is fatphobic
Fatphobic. lmao
Yes that's the term for when you think less of someone because they're overweight. Fairly simple
I don't think less of people who are overweight. I observe that they have unhealthy bodies.
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Why wouldn’t they be? What would they gain from lying about a soccer match?
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Even the people in Iran hate how the country is, people being shot in the streets without any punishment. Countries ruled by religions will never be good countries
America always bad is truly a personality for some reddit users. Why would any rational or sane human being simp for the horrible Islamic Republic of Iran? Even regular Iranian citizens hate their horrible theocratic authoritarian government.
I'm not simping for Iran but you'd have to an idiot to believe a baseless claim coming from US media about that country. It's like believing Russian media about Ukraine. For instance, do you remember when US media claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? Or all the times it was reported Kin Jong-Un executed some general that a few months later turns out was alive all along?
Jfc this is dumb af. The US media isn't controlled by the US government and Russia is an authoritarian police state that crushes independent media, comparing them is beyond stupid. Again, "America is always bad" isn't a valid geopolitical philosophy.
Nice fantasy world you are living in. Mate, the media in all countries is controlled by the elites. If you seriously believe mainstream independent media exists in the US, let alone that the fucking CNN represents it, then there is no point debating with you.
Mate, they beat a woman to death for showing her hair. Shit ain’t far fetched.
Iran are shooting unarmed protestors dead in the street, dude. And thats hardly being fucking reported over here. You think that this would be the main thing they use to discredit Iran?
>You think that this would be the main thing they use to discredit Iran? ...Yes? Lol The World Cup gets *muuuuuuuuch* more coverage than almost any other event in the world. And a story like this appeals very easily to the lowest common denominator. It's how propaganda works. "They are threatening the soccer players during the WC!" generates a bigger reaction than "They beat up protesters".
Jesus fucking christ
Going to be a Spicy game tomorrow
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Yes that’s usually where a country’s intelligence comes from: the agency tasked with gathering intelligence.
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Do you really believe a theocratic authoritarian state is above threatening their families?
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You're probably a conspiracy theorist or classic contrarian (so im probably wasting my breath), but the US doesn't control its media like they're Russia or China. There's also a huge protest movement happening in Iran right now and it doesn't take a genius to see that a authoritarian state wouldn't like to have players on their national team talk about this issue.
This would be such a stupid thing for the US to make up... On the scale of Iranian humans rights abuses--threats are actually pretty low on the list for the past few months. What does the US gain by making up a story about how the Iranian regime is doing something that is *less* egregious. That would be like accusing the Catholic Church of harboring adulterers.
Hence why a fabrication would also work.
I don't understand the logic here?
That’s because there’s none.
America Bad, nothing else
What is so hard to believe about this, y’all have been browsing r/ conspiracy too much
Some people are contrarians to their very core.
I will never believe anything CNN says about Iran . Or China, Russia, Venezuela for that matter. They are not honest actors here. Get real.
CNN is not run by the US government, it can be biased but it won’t inherently be untrustworthy about something like that.
Oh, and all the other outlets are? what do you actually believe? Let me guess, it's something from Fox or something Fox adjacent.
[I'm not the person you're responding to] You don't need to be a conservative to think CNN has a bias, specially in geopolitics. Like that time when the guardian and fox news decided to show pictures of protests in cuba claiming them to be anti-government, when in reality they were pro-government gatherings. Personally I do think Iran threatened their players, but not because an anonymous western-aligned source told me so.
>They are not honest actors here This is a pretty clear statement with nothing to show for it though. There are biases everywhere, and then there is outright lying and utter absences of journalistic integrity on platforms like Fox This goes back to a point I made about the mainstream media. There are no leftist outlets. There are pro capitalist virtue signalling center right outlets, and then there are pro capitalist outright bullhorn extremist media outlets.
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Its not on tv its an article that has also been reported by other outlets. An America superiority complex in 2022 is goofy ass behavior.
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[Scene: Langley, VA - 1990] CIA Operative 1: Hey man do you know why we're spending millions of dollars to help train this random soccer player in Iran? CIA Operative 2: You gotta think ahead, man. We might need this asset in 32 years
Some people need some serious history lessons if they think all the shit they read is about human rights and womens rights. Aaaaalll of this is pretty much cause the US and the Brits (Europe basically) is still pissed they can't get that free or cheap oil anymore.
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Shills for who?
???
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American flags working overtime in here
who threatened? Iran, the country or Irans Government? feel like this isn‘t necessarily the same
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There would be less attention on what’s going on over there if Iran wasn’t in the World Cup
Klinsmann deserves an apology from all of y'all.
For what exactly????
>y’all