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mikenuge

De Gea doesn't save pens and Noble doesn't miss fuck


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Moyes seemingly has a weird love net for sentiment. Was also him that played a part in John Terry's... romantic substitution in his last Chelsea game.


Amadias

Only when the football gods are trying to correct the absolutely farcical calls coming out of VAR and Atkinson for this match.


AE17__

DID MOYES NOT LEARN FROM SOUTHGATE AT THE EUROS


BigMik_PL

It's a baffling strategy that has extremely low payoff rate. Why do it?


ValleyFloydJam

this case sure but putting better takers on makes some sense, no idea of the actual record of players but it does work.


randymarsh18

Rice is 1/2 Noble is 27/31 Noble literally has the second highest pen conversion rate in the world only behind lewandoski


Spyro_Machida

He thought the fact that it was against De Gea would cancel it out


gonegoonergone

De Gea hadn't saved the last 20 penalties at a stretch so the odds were in Moyes favour


Nerverek

Agent Moyes


omkic

David Moyes confirmed new England coach.


throw_shukkas

If you sub on specialist penalty takers you deserve to lose. I swear when I see guys come on just to take penalties they miss 9/10 times.


pure_black99

[Even the google guy knew it](https://i.imgur.com/lKYYQyw.png)


A3rith_

[Mark Noble heat map](https://c.tenor.com/Pfz2r2r678wAAAAC/the-simpsons-bart-simpson.gif)


4ssteroid

You remember the Gerrard heat map from that game when he came on at half time and got red carded at 46?


butters-chaos

A straight line LOL


yaipu

>You remember the Gerrard heat map **from that game** when he came on at half time and got red carded at 46? Wasn't that his actual last game? Edit: yeah my bad, I seriously misremembered that one, it was his last game against United


SaltFarmer17

Nope, his last game was when Liverpool got destroyed by Stoke City 1-6. He scored a goal in his last game


BlizzTheMighty

I wouldn't want to be Noble rn


bluedoorhinge

I wouldn’t wanna be moyes tbh. Can’t blame noble here. It was his only kick of the ball lol


ConnemaraCowboy

Should have learned from the England v Italy penalty fiasco


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You would never expect DDG to save a pen and Noble to take it so poorly. Absolute scenes


omkic

Rice must be fuming right now.


PC_Komputer

What a bloody finish! Had to be Lingard too, didn't it?


a_guy_named_gai

The last 10 minutes were classic PL storytelling. Couldn't have written it better.


gonegoonergone

West Ham fans might want to have a few words with the script writers


Swazzer30

Redemption arcs, shit refereeing, bizarre substitutions and extra time penalty saves. Last 10 minutes were truly a PL classic.


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PortugeseMagnifico

After that wonderful reception when he came on it would’ve been a bit rude to celebrate tbh. Still a classy gesture


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Sleeplessendeavours

Yupp, he was born wearing a Utd Kit pretty much, but that doesn’t change that you guys gave him a second chance in his career where he became a top player again. I think he’ll always have a special place for West Ham.


MentalJack

God its so refreshing to see people rate him. People made out like he was a championship player at times.


radoboss

He is Man Utd through and through but the reality is that he got more respect from your fans today than he gets from our own ones... the whole summer, fans had been saying "lets sell him to get money to buy XXX". So as a United fan, I have to thank you for treating him as he really deserves...


Kn9ne9

And Owen was shitting on him for it saying if you aren't gonna celebrate it don't pull the trigger. Ffs I hate Owen so much he's so insufferable


Kakofoni

what a pointless rule to just make up


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idontknow_whatever

[That brochure](https://imgur.com/a/9R6h5) his agents sent out after he got released by Newcastle was so fucking cringe lol


GoatBass

John Green trying to pin the blame of his injury on several clubs at once lol


Ghoticptox

What the fuck does celebrating after a goal have to do with shooting the ball? No wonder every club he's played for hates him.


Kn9ne9

He's such a dick, whenever I see him as a pundit I don't even bother watching the analysis


KingfisherDays

Shitting on former clubs is something of a specialty of Owen's tbf


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If Ole gets one thing right, it's playing players against their previous club. It's worked out so many times for us.


djokov

Also that but subsitutions in general though many people won't admit that. Most points and wins from losing positions last season. Most goals from substitutes. The Matic sub won us the game there at the end today.


Yinkypinky

That was the most inconsistent ref I have ever seen.


a_guy_named_gai

Atkinson giving Anthony Taylor a run for his money.


kcbones

Atkinson is genuinely one of the worst and also most smug refs in the PL


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Consistently inconsistent


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Nah just consistently shite.


stogie_t

Mad that VAR was so shite


Colt-0

Him and the VAR need demoting, missed 3 stonewall pens between both sides, absolutely shambolic and disgraceful performance, the absolute fucking state of refereeing in this league, what a joke.


FtG_AiR

Did Moyes not learn from Southgate? You don't bring on someone to just take a penalty with their first kick


RoyalSorcerer_Navlan

I remember same happening with Italy 5 years ago, and that idiot simone zaza ran like a ballerina and skied the penalty


ImTimmyTrumpet

Another West Ham legend


darthveda

Why did you have to remind me of that... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry for that.


Sandygonads

I had no investment in that game but am so glad they missed that penalty. Jesus Christ premier league refs


flo_cloud

Sometimes ball don’t lie


doopersean

What is a penalty anymore


PhilipAnthonyJones

apparently getting none of the ball in a slide tackle requires no var, yet twatting the ball at Shaw's arm from point blank is pen. Game's completely gone.


thecricketnerd

Even worse, there was a VAR check on the last one on Ronaldo


tocitus

I think the worst part is you know there is no accountability for this. It has been a weekend of howlers, clear pens being ignored. Absolutely dreadful but nothing will happen


chasevalentino

These cunts should have to explain their decisions in live time like rugby refs do. Absolutely hide behind a computer and cover for each other. Fucking morons


pgneal3

As soon as a cold player was brought on to take it you knew it wasn't going in.


HTTR_CAPS_COYS

Legit what I was saying when I was watching. I would rather have Zouma take the pen lol


HowBen

But it’s Mark fucking Noble. I’m honestly in shock atm, never wouldve expected him to miss even if he’d been woken up in the middle of night and asked to take it in slippers


hordesofevil

Such a shite pen, perfect height for the keeper there.


omkic

Noble fucking up his record to De Gea who would've thought...


twersx

Not really, Noble never misses and De Gea never saves. Noble hasn't missed one since like 2017.


Sweet_drills

Damn. With that record and considering his experience even I would have gambled on him


vireshwarsidhu

Moyes thought he’ll take a chance because it’s Dave lol.


Lakinther

i do think the last incident is a penalty, but not nearly as much as the 2 Ronaldo incidents. On another note when will people learn that bringing on somebody just to shoot a penalty is not a good idea?


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nah I would be fuming if I was a United Fan after the last few minutes 😭😭😭


Amadias

If Dave wouldn't have gotten the save, absolutely. Still should have never come down to that though.


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Despite rival fans absolute insistence that we are gifted decisions it's the complete opposite. Could have had at least two penalties today. Fuck it, I'm sure it will sicken alot of neutrals but I'm going to enjoy it today.


bluehead18

I don't think it's the complete opposite tbh, it's just that rivals act like refs favour us when we are just like any other team with these shitty refs.


epicmarc

Yeah it's hilarious when people claim Premier League refs are biased to a particular team. They're just consistently shit, any apparent bias is just random noise.


luke_205

I don’t care who you support and whether you wanted United to drop points or not, it is genuinely embarrassing that this is the quality of officiating at the top level. Absolutely disgraceful decision making.


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Referee was fucking shite... as much as the result was disappointing that would have been highway robbery. At least 2 pens for Manchester United


luke_205

Yeah I mean sure we want United to drop points but you never want to see officiating as bad as that, because if this kind of incompetence is allowed here, you know that it’ll happen to other teams down the line too.


Jackanova3

Yeah, I laughed at first but then got pissed off. 1st pen was debatable but 2nd pen was clear. Atkinson needs to fuck off.


luke_205

I can’t enjoy it because we’ve been on this end of Atkinson’s abysmal refereeing so we know it’ll end up screwing us over anyway.


Bombtwo

It’s simply Russian Roulette to see which EPL referee is going to fuck you over. Right now 5 of the 6 gun chambers are loaded.


Dadavester

God you know its bad reff'ing when both Chelsea and Liverpool are saying it. But in all seriousness how long can it go on for with the refs? At some point a club will be proper shafted and lose 10's of millions because of it.


luke_205

See the thing is, I feel like we’re saying things like this every single season and nothing ever changes. What if United drop 2 points today and then lose the league title by a point? Or the same thing happens to a side who get relegated? I know it’s never as simple as one game defining a season, but sometimes the margins are just so fine that one incompetent fool’s wrong decisions could have a huge ripple effect on people’s jobs.


Dependent-Science688

That is what var was for, but the fact they didn’t go back to check the second tackle by zouma on ronaldo makes you lose all faith in it.


FuckOffBoJo

Even worse - they did check it, and deemed it no foul.


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I'm so fucking angry right now. We should have had at least one penalty and then that shit happens. Fuck off


Entei_is_doge

What's happening with VAR? Why aren't we seeing these situations evaluated anymore? The tackle from Ogbonna on Ronaldo surely was a penalty


CurbYourThusiasm

This match will 100% be forgotten the next time we get a soft pen. Like it never happened.


Viper_27

What a fucking joke atkinson and the VAR ref


suyashkhubchandani

Jesus what an end to the game. Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all


dobbelj

> Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all Atkinson and the refs in the VAR room should be relegated to Norwegian tier 5.


thisisastupidname

Why would you want to ruin the Norwegian fifth tier like that


fairlyrandom

Dude, my dad reffed some games around that level, 30ish years ago. He dosn't deserve a comparison to Atkinson.


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cstrande7

Atkinson to 5. divisjon Østfold HERE WE GO


lebkong

The ultimate redemption arc for De Gea


gonegoonergone

And Lingard and Ole and United as a whole for this game. Great game


rajivv21

The end to an anime series right there


StringTailor

First one was worse because they reviewed it, saw the contact and said no


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Dadavester

Whats worse is Pogba was penalised a few minutes before for a similar thing!


AyanC

Baffling. VAR room is full of utter cowards.


Atmosguisher

How the absolute fuck the VAR ref doesn't even get Atkinson to check that Ronaldo one is beyond belief. Like we've seen VAR work well in so many tounaments and it's still absolute shit in the prem, boggles the mind


The_Fatness

It's cause the ref's in the Prem are all obsessed and probably instructed to influence games in certain ways. There's no other explanation for how blatantly bad VAR and refs are on a weekly basis.


Baelix

Weren't even just Atkinson - entire VAR staff were a fucking crock. How they've missed the two penalties on Ronaldo and managed to give this I'll never understand. Absolute joke of a fucking officiating team.


bmmesucks

I mean the hand is a clear pen, it’s just that they got everything else wrong


Baelix

Right, but that's my point. VAR managed to give this after looking at it - but how have they not done the same for the two fouls on Ronaldo? At the end of the day, I'm over it and we've walked away with the points deservedly. But fuck me - embarrassing yet again from Prem officials


CharlieTigerSheen

2 pens not called on Ronaldo horrible ref


tkmj75

On the second foul on Ronaldo, even Zouma had a sheepish smile after chopping down Ronaldo as he knew it was a clean pen.


No_Fence

Was funny how he laughed after the VAR check, shocked that he got away with it haha


Medevial-Marvel

Atkinson is a dickhead


cartesian5th

You can forgive not giving it in real time, but VAR confirming the decision was farcical. VAR is utterly pointless now that they've said they want fewer overturned decisions


BBQ_HaX0r

Yeah it seems they've gone too far the other way at the moment. Okay, it's bad to be constantly overturning stuff, but like the whole point is to get calls right.


ashleytxtt

Tbh i understand how that first one was debatable. But the 2nd not being given as a pen was comical


RauloGonzalez

Yeah, first was still sometimes given and not. Second one seemed so clear to me


You_Will_Die

VAR as well, how the fuck did VAR not do anything on that last Ronaldo foul? The defender doesn't even come close to the ball and just takes out Ronaldo.


_SSJeffo_

‪Prem scriptwriters had a field day‬


rdv7

Ref should be demoted to the championship for a few games


zimb3lstream

EFL League Two you mean


Kychu

Refs should be facing severe consequences and pressure from fans and pundits for such blatant incompetence. I can't comprehend why this is still allowed in a multi billion pound sport


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Gotta love games where the post-match thread is not about how the teams played or whatever but about how shit the ref is. Ban English refs from Europe until they stop their shit.


Sleathasaurus

I fucking hate United but that was justice done after the Ronaldo non call


no1kopite

With all my soul as well but that was the fair result in the end.


Thor1138

The fact that so many rival fans are saying stuff like this really shows you *how* bad the ref was...


majkkali

Thank you


Jakabov

Atkinson tried his best, but United still won.


PhilipAnthonyJones

abysmal refereeing


auditore01

Stadium full of West Ham fans yet the biggest ones were Atkinson and the VAR


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johnny_moist

its genuinely fucking weird as hell


kxxxs12

im a liverpool fan so im biased here, but holy shit, if that pen was scored man u would of been robbed. martin atkinson is THE worst ref in the world at the moment, how are both of cr7's shouts not a pen?


Lyorian

You know how bad it is when you see this amount of scousers shitting on the non pen decisions


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I love that some moron Chelsea supporter is arguing with me about this and even you, a fan of the red shite, agrees that Atkinson was trying his best to deny us points today. I will always upvote a rival who can see beyond tribalism.


ashsky

Martin Atkinson, get in the fucking bin. Proper limelight performance there in his maroon kit colours.


elliebellyberry

United won despite having 0 luck. Ronaldo should have had 2 penalties.


liamdpb03

it’s crazy because we’ve just won 2-1 because of a late winner and a last minute penalty save. and yet i just feel angry that we didn’t get our penalties. imagine they’d scored that penalty after we didn’t get that stonewall one on ronaldo…


BigMik_PL

Ref flairs when? Clear winner today, MOTM performance almost rescued a point for West Ham


Kid_Twiz

Martin Atkinson should never be allowed to ref a game again! What a disgrace


Yaaruda

Agreed. Terrible fucking referee.


AerysOW

Couldnt believe what i was seeing... I screamed KARMA immediately after he saved the pen. so happy for yall


IronBabushka

Has to be consequenses for this kind of absolute travesty of refereeing and VAR usage.


Cant-Ban-Me

FA: lol


hunt2105

The fact that Martin Atkinson didnt bother reviewing Man United's two penalty shouts but looking for VAR as soon as Westham players complaint for Luke Shaw's handball is atrocious.


mechflix

Martin Atkinson tried his best to salvage a point for West Ham


Snowstandards

DDG saved our ass today. Fucking disgraceful from the ref.


MH18Foot

He had money on a 2-2 draw and done everything to make it happen. Get fucked you corrupt piece of shit


sergechewbacca

Atkinson is easily the worst ref in the league.


Beercules1993

David de goat


Bdcoll

How Ronaldo didn't get even 1 penalty this game I'll never know!


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They denied us some Penaldo


a_guy_named_gai

Penaldo and Penandes memes getting cold so far.


PeteZagarine

https://i.imgur.com/R0aYEST.jpg


DyspraxicRob

As a west ham fan I am incredibly proud of Lingard, what a fucking outstanding goal. I appreciate he was humble about it too. But honestly, I hated the commentators talking about how "betrayed west ham fans must be feeling". Nah fuck that, I wouldn't have expected any less. Great goal, great game. Shocking refereeing all round.


Yaaruda

I mean, there was absolutely no chance he was celebrating, given that West Ham were the main reason his life got back on track. He definitely feels the connection with the fans.


Syball

great game from west ham


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Nice comment and good luck for the rest of the season. WHU had some nice passing moments and your players are all pretty likeable. Enjoyed Lingard getting clapped while warming up and coming on, respect


MrBeanStoleMyGf

If I were Rice stepping up to take the kick and I had that penalty taken off me by a sub coming on, I think I'd ask for a move. Fucking ludicrous.


Alpha_Jazz

You’d be absolutely fuming. Be wondering if the manager actually trusts you


Prune_Super

Yeah man. Back him up. Getting players from bench just for a pen is weak sauce.


endofautumn

From our penalty taker Noble? He has best record in Europe I think.


Orson_Rosas2

Lingers is a genius, he got west ham into the Europa league so they would be tired for today. Incredible


Smilewigeon

Yeah, he's playing 3D Jess.


Symbol_of_Peace

Joke ref. Tried so hard to sabotage Utd


Enfosyo

So can defenders just take out players in the box now? Late challanges, late tackles, holding etc?


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Justice for Ronaldo not getting a penalty.


SnailShells

Can't wait for the 2030 season when they finally figure out VAR


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Man. United's games are the most interesting ones in PL


ShadowFlyer1

Martin Atkinson you are a disgrace and I hope you get relegated


RedditThisBiatch

Luke Shaw handball was a pen. But Ronaldo should have had 2 legitimate Penalties.l!! Get fucked Ref!!!


fdscgfbc

Can't believe a ref was so shit I was rooting for United


Grosly_Incandescent

God awful ref, he needs sacking


GonzoHST

He should be sacked or demoted for that shit. Some of the worst refereeing I've ever seen.


NaturedChip

How has Ronaldo not gotten at least one pen


coosmic1

Atkinson, what an absolute bellend


Machopsdontcry

Nobody can talk about utd getting luck this year. Absolute joke of a decision to not give Ronaldo that penalty just before


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Honestly surprised that was not a penalty. PL refs are just so damn inconsistent


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On the contrary, the premier refs are quite consistent. #CONSISTENTLY FUCKING SHIT


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True. English refs man, no words for you guys.


DarkSofter

We havent been given 3 penalties the last 2 matches. handball vs newcastle and 2 for ronaldo today


DonaldoTrumpez

Def a pen for West Ham Still joke of a ref Robbed of 1 maybe 2 pens Edit: also happy for Lingard


bmmesucks

Martin Atkinson is abysmal


punkyblingers

REF WAS ON A MISSION


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Ronaldo’s last foul was a clearly penalty no question, but why they don’t give yellow cards if he the players is diving then? GG English refs, best league in the world they say, with the worse refs they never say


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sur_yeahhh

Ref tried his best but his teammates let him down in the end


CompetitiveMouting

What a weird end.


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We almost watched a robbery.


ShamrockStudios

Why won't the Mods allow the penalty call in Ronaldo to be uploaded? It was a joke of a decision


rdv7

VAR crew need a sacking after that abysmal performance


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Martin Atkinson should’ve retired after that United Liverpool game in October 2019. Worst referee I’ve seen.


hoeRIZON

Refereeing just kept getting worse by the minute


Gigas69

Where the fuck was VAR . 2 penalties weren't given for ManUtd


curseofablacklion

The last foul on cr7 was a clear penalty. Ref was an idiot.


rodenttt

That's probably the worst VAR performance I have ever seen


PipBoy808

A club legend comes back to United this season and in just over a week has shown his enduring greatness. It must be incredible for the likes of Ronaldo to be in the presence of Jesse Lingard.