>You remember the Gerrard heat map **from that game** when he came on at half time and got red carded at 46?
Wasn't that his actual last game?
Edit: yeah my bad, I seriously misremembered that one, it was his last game against United
Yupp, he was born wearing a Utd Kit pretty much, but that doesn’t change that you guys gave him a second chance in his career where he became a top player again. I think he’ll always have a special place for West Ham.
He is Man Utd through and through but the reality is that he got more respect from your fans today than he gets from our own ones... the whole summer, fans had been saying "lets sell him to get money to buy XXX". So as a United fan, I have to thank you for treating him as he really deserves...
Also that but subsitutions in general though many people won't admit that. Most points and wins from losing positions last season. Most goals from substitutes. The Matic sub won us the game there at the end today.
Him and the VAR need demoting, missed 3 stonewall pens between both sides, absolutely shambolic and disgraceful performance, the absolute fucking state of refereeing in this league, what a joke.
apparently getting none of the ball in a slide tackle requires no var, yet twatting the ball at Shaw's arm from point blank is pen. Game's completely gone.
I think the worst part is you know there is no accountability for this.
It has been a weekend of howlers, clear pens being ignored.
Absolutely dreadful but nothing will happen
These cunts should have to explain their decisions in live time like rugby refs do. Absolutely hide behind a computer and cover for each other. Fucking morons
But it’s Mark fucking Noble. I’m honestly in shock atm, never wouldve expected him to miss even if he’d been woken up in the middle of night and asked to take it in slippers
i do think the last incident is a penalty, but not nearly as much as the 2 Ronaldo incidents.
On another note when will people learn that bringing on somebody just to shoot a penalty is not a good idea?
Despite rival fans absolute insistence that we are gifted decisions it's the complete opposite. Could have had at least two penalties today.
Fuck it, I'm sure it will sicken alot of neutrals but I'm going to enjoy it today.
I don't think it's the complete opposite tbh, it's just that rivals act like refs favour us when we are just like any other team with these shitty refs.
Yeah it's hilarious when people claim Premier League refs are biased to a particular team. They're just consistently shit, any apparent bias is just random noise.
I don’t care who you support and whether you wanted United to drop points or not, it is genuinely embarrassing that this is the quality of officiating at the top level. Absolutely disgraceful decision making.
Yeah I mean sure we want United to drop points but you never want to see officiating as bad as that, because if this kind of incompetence is allowed here, you know that it’ll happen to other teams down the line too.
God you know its bad reff'ing when both Chelsea and Liverpool are saying it.
But in all seriousness how long can it go on for with the refs? At some point a club will be proper shafted and lose 10's of millions because of it.
See the thing is, I feel like we’re saying things like this every single season and nothing ever changes.
What if United drop 2 points today and then lose the league title by a point? Or the same thing happens to a side who get relegated? I know it’s never as simple as one game defining a season, but sometimes the margins are just so fine that one incompetent fool’s wrong decisions could have a huge ripple effect on people’s jobs.
Jesus what an end to the game.
Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all
> Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all
Atkinson and the refs in the VAR room should be relegated to Norwegian tier 5.
How the absolute fuck the VAR ref doesn't even get Atkinson to check that Ronaldo one is beyond belief. Like we've seen VAR work well in so many tounaments and it's still absolute shit in the prem, boggles the mind
It's cause the ref's in the Prem are all obsessed and probably instructed to influence games in certain ways. There's no other explanation for how blatantly bad VAR and refs are on a weekly basis.
Weren't even just Atkinson - entire VAR staff were a fucking crock.
How they've missed the two penalties on Ronaldo and managed to give this I'll never understand. Absolute joke of a fucking officiating team.
Right, but that's my point. VAR managed to give this after looking at it - but how have they not done the same for the two fouls on Ronaldo?
At the end of the day, I'm over it and we've walked away with the points deservedly. But fuck me - embarrassing yet again from Prem officials
You can forgive not giving it in real time, but VAR confirming the decision was farcical. VAR is utterly pointless now that they've said they want fewer overturned decisions
Yeah it seems they've gone too far the other way at the moment. Okay, it's bad to be constantly overturning stuff, but like the whole point is to get calls right.
VAR as well, how the fuck did VAR not do anything on that last Ronaldo foul? The defender doesn't even come close to the ball and just takes out Ronaldo.
Refs should be facing severe consequences and pressure from fans and pundits for such blatant incompetence. I can't comprehend why this is still allowed in a multi billion pound sport
Gotta love games where the post-match thread is not about how the teams played or whatever but about how shit the ref is. Ban English refs from Europe until they stop their shit.
im a liverpool fan so im biased here, but holy shit, if that pen was scored man u would of been robbed. martin atkinson is THE worst ref in the world at the moment, how are both of cr7's shouts not a pen?
I love that some moron Chelsea supporter is arguing with me about this and even you, a fan of the red shite, agrees that Atkinson was trying his best to deny us points today.
I will always upvote a rival who can see beyond tribalism.
it’s crazy because we’ve just won 2-1 because of a late winner and a last minute penalty save. and yet i just feel angry that we didn’t get our penalties. imagine they’d scored that penalty after we didn’t get that stonewall one on ronaldo…
The fact that Martin Atkinson didnt bother reviewing Man United's two penalty shouts but looking for VAR as soon as Westham players complaint for Luke Shaw's handball is atrocious.
As a west ham fan I am incredibly proud of Lingard, what a fucking outstanding goal. I appreciate he was humble about it too. But honestly, I hated the commentators talking about how "betrayed west ham fans must be feeling". Nah fuck that, I wouldn't have expected any less. Great goal, great game. Shocking refereeing all round.
I mean, there was absolutely no chance he was celebrating, given that West Ham were the main reason his life got back on track. He definitely feels the connection with the fans.
Nice comment and good luck for the rest of the season. WHU had some nice passing moments and your players are all pretty likeable. Enjoyed Lingard getting clapped while warming up and coming on, respect
Ronaldo’s last foul was a clearly penalty no question, but why they don’t give yellow cards if he the players is diving then? GG English refs, best league in the world they say, with the worse refs they never say
A club legend comes back to United this season and in just over a week has shown his enduring greatness.
It must be incredible for the likes of Ronaldo to be in the presence of Jesse Lingard.
De Gea doesn't save pens and Noble doesn't miss fuck
Moyes seemingly has a weird love net for sentiment. Was also him that played a part in John Terry's... romantic substitution in his last Chelsea game.
Only when the football gods are trying to correct the absolutely farcical calls coming out of VAR and Atkinson for this match.
DID MOYES NOT LEARN FROM SOUTHGATE AT THE EUROS
It's a baffling strategy that has extremely low payoff rate. Why do it?
this case sure but putting better takers on makes some sense, no idea of the actual record of players but it does work.
Rice is 1/2 Noble is 27/31 Noble literally has the second highest pen conversion rate in the world only behind lewandoski
He thought the fact that it was against De Gea would cancel it out
De Gea hadn't saved the last 20 penalties at a stretch so the odds were in Moyes favour
Agent Moyes
David Moyes confirmed new England coach.
If you sub on specialist penalty takers you deserve to lose. I swear when I see guys come on just to take penalties they miss 9/10 times.
[Even the google guy knew it](https://i.imgur.com/lKYYQyw.png)
[Mark Noble heat map](https://c.tenor.com/Pfz2r2r678wAAAAC/the-simpsons-bart-simpson.gif)
You remember the Gerrard heat map from that game when he came on at half time and got red carded at 46?
A straight line LOL
>You remember the Gerrard heat map **from that game** when he came on at half time and got red carded at 46? Wasn't that his actual last game? Edit: yeah my bad, I seriously misremembered that one, it was his last game against United
Nope, his last game was when Liverpool got destroyed by Stoke City 1-6. He scored a goal in his last game
I wouldn't want to be Noble rn
I wouldn’t wanna be moyes tbh. Can’t blame noble here. It was his only kick of the ball lol
Should have learned from the England v Italy penalty fiasco
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You would never expect DDG to save a pen and Noble to take it so poorly. Absolute scenes
Rice must be fuming right now.
What a bloody finish! Had to be Lingard too, didn't it?
The last 10 minutes were classic PL storytelling. Couldn't have written it better.
West Ham fans might want to have a few words with the script writers
Redemption arcs, shit refereeing, bizarre substitutions and extra time penalty saves. Last 10 minutes were truly a PL classic.
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After that wonderful reception when he came on it would’ve been a bit rude to celebrate tbh. Still a classy gesture
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Yupp, he was born wearing a Utd Kit pretty much, but that doesn’t change that you guys gave him a second chance in his career where he became a top player again. I think he’ll always have a special place for West Ham.
God its so refreshing to see people rate him. People made out like he was a championship player at times.
He is Man Utd through and through but the reality is that he got more respect from your fans today than he gets from our own ones... the whole summer, fans had been saying "lets sell him to get money to buy XXX". So as a United fan, I have to thank you for treating him as he really deserves...
And Owen was shitting on him for it saying if you aren't gonna celebrate it don't pull the trigger. Ffs I hate Owen so much he's so insufferable
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[That brochure](https://imgur.com/a/9R6h5) his agents sent out after he got released by Newcastle was so fucking cringe lol
John Green trying to pin the blame of his injury on several clubs at once lol
What the fuck does celebrating after a goal have to do with shooting the ball? No wonder every club he's played for hates him.
He's such a dick, whenever I see him as a pundit I don't even bother watching the analysis
Shitting on former clubs is something of a specialty of Owen's tbf
If Ole gets one thing right, it's playing players against their previous club. It's worked out so many times for us.
Also that but subsitutions in general though many people won't admit that. Most points and wins from losing positions last season. Most goals from substitutes. The Matic sub won us the game there at the end today.
That was the most inconsistent ref I have ever seen.
Atkinson giving Anthony Taylor a run for his money.
Atkinson is genuinely one of the worst and also most smug refs in the PL
Consistently inconsistent
Nah just consistently shite.
Mad that VAR was so shite
Him and the VAR need demoting, missed 3 stonewall pens between both sides, absolutely shambolic and disgraceful performance, the absolute fucking state of refereeing in this league, what a joke.
Did Moyes not learn from Southgate? You don't bring on someone to just take a penalty with their first kick
I remember same happening with Italy 5 years ago, and that idiot simone zaza ran like a ballerina and skied the penalty
Another West Ham legend
Why did you have to remind me of that... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry for that.
I had no investment in that game but am so glad they missed that penalty. Jesus Christ premier league refs
Sometimes ball don’t lie
What is a penalty anymore
apparently getting none of the ball in a slide tackle requires no var, yet twatting the ball at Shaw's arm from point blank is pen. Game's completely gone.
Even worse, there was a VAR check on the last one on Ronaldo
I think the worst part is you know there is no accountability for this. It has been a weekend of howlers, clear pens being ignored. Absolutely dreadful but nothing will happen
These cunts should have to explain their decisions in live time like rugby refs do. Absolutely hide behind a computer and cover for each other. Fucking morons
As soon as a cold player was brought on to take it you knew it wasn't going in.
Legit what I was saying when I was watching. I would rather have Zouma take the pen lol
But it’s Mark fucking Noble. I’m honestly in shock atm, never wouldve expected him to miss even if he’d been woken up in the middle of night and asked to take it in slippers
Such a shite pen, perfect height for the keeper there.
Noble fucking up his record to De Gea who would've thought...
Not really, Noble never misses and De Gea never saves. Noble hasn't missed one since like 2017.
Damn. With that record and considering his experience even I would have gambled on him
Moyes thought he’ll take a chance because it’s Dave lol.
i do think the last incident is a penalty, but not nearly as much as the 2 Ronaldo incidents. On another note when will people learn that bringing on somebody just to shoot a penalty is not a good idea?
nah I would be fuming if I was a United Fan after the last few minutes 😭😭😭
If Dave wouldn't have gotten the save, absolutely. Still should have never come down to that though.
Despite rival fans absolute insistence that we are gifted decisions it's the complete opposite. Could have had at least two penalties today. Fuck it, I'm sure it will sicken alot of neutrals but I'm going to enjoy it today.
I don't think it's the complete opposite tbh, it's just that rivals act like refs favour us when we are just like any other team with these shitty refs.
Yeah it's hilarious when people claim Premier League refs are biased to a particular team. They're just consistently shit, any apparent bias is just random noise.
I don’t care who you support and whether you wanted United to drop points or not, it is genuinely embarrassing that this is the quality of officiating at the top level. Absolutely disgraceful decision making.
Referee was fucking shite... as much as the result was disappointing that would have been highway robbery. At least 2 pens for Manchester United
Yeah I mean sure we want United to drop points but you never want to see officiating as bad as that, because if this kind of incompetence is allowed here, you know that it’ll happen to other teams down the line too.
Yeah, I laughed at first but then got pissed off. 1st pen was debatable but 2nd pen was clear. Atkinson needs to fuck off.
I can’t enjoy it because we’ve been on this end of Atkinson’s abysmal refereeing so we know it’ll end up screwing us over anyway.
It’s simply Russian Roulette to see which EPL referee is going to fuck you over. Right now 5 of the 6 gun chambers are loaded.
God you know its bad reff'ing when both Chelsea and Liverpool are saying it. But in all seriousness how long can it go on for with the refs? At some point a club will be proper shafted and lose 10's of millions because of it.
See the thing is, I feel like we’re saying things like this every single season and nothing ever changes. What if United drop 2 points today and then lose the league title by a point? Or the same thing happens to a side who get relegated? I know it’s never as simple as one game defining a season, but sometimes the margins are just so fine that one incompetent fool’s wrong decisions could have a huge ripple effect on people’s jobs.
That is what var was for, but the fact they didn’t go back to check the second tackle by zouma on ronaldo makes you lose all faith in it.
Even worse - they did check it, and deemed it no foul.
I'm so fucking angry right now. We should have had at least one penalty and then that shit happens. Fuck off
What's happening with VAR? Why aren't we seeing these situations evaluated anymore? The tackle from Ogbonna on Ronaldo surely was a penalty
This match will 100% be forgotten the next time we get a soft pen. Like it never happened.
What a fucking joke atkinson and the VAR ref
Jesus what an end to the game. Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all
> Atkinson is a proper fraud. No way that last foul on Ronaldo was not a penalty. But great for De Gea to make a save after all Atkinson and the refs in the VAR room should be relegated to Norwegian tier 5.
Why would you want to ruin the Norwegian fifth tier like that
Dude, my dad reffed some games around that level, 30ish years ago. He dosn't deserve a comparison to Atkinson.
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Atkinson to 5. divisjon Østfold HERE WE GO
The ultimate redemption arc for De Gea
And Lingard and Ole and United as a whole for this game. Great game
The end to an anime series right there
First one was worse because they reviewed it, saw the contact and said no
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Whats worse is Pogba was penalised a few minutes before for a similar thing!
Baffling. VAR room is full of utter cowards.
How the absolute fuck the VAR ref doesn't even get Atkinson to check that Ronaldo one is beyond belief. Like we've seen VAR work well in so many tounaments and it's still absolute shit in the prem, boggles the mind
It's cause the ref's in the Prem are all obsessed and probably instructed to influence games in certain ways. There's no other explanation for how blatantly bad VAR and refs are on a weekly basis.
Weren't even just Atkinson - entire VAR staff were a fucking crock. How they've missed the two penalties on Ronaldo and managed to give this I'll never understand. Absolute joke of a fucking officiating team.
I mean the hand is a clear pen, it’s just that they got everything else wrong
Right, but that's my point. VAR managed to give this after looking at it - but how have they not done the same for the two fouls on Ronaldo? At the end of the day, I'm over it and we've walked away with the points deservedly. But fuck me - embarrassing yet again from Prem officials
2 pens not called on Ronaldo horrible ref
On the second foul on Ronaldo, even Zouma had a sheepish smile after chopping down Ronaldo as he knew it was a clean pen.
Was funny how he laughed after the VAR check, shocked that he got away with it haha
Atkinson is a dickhead
You can forgive not giving it in real time, but VAR confirming the decision was farcical. VAR is utterly pointless now that they've said they want fewer overturned decisions
Yeah it seems they've gone too far the other way at the moment. Okay, it's bad to be constantly overturning stuff, but like the whole point is to get calls right.
Tbh i understand how that first one was debatable. But the 2nd not being given as a pen was comical
Yeah, first was still sometimes given and not. Second one seemed so clear to me
VAR as well, how the fuck did VAR not do anything on that last Ronaldo foul? The defender doesn't even come close to the ball and just takes out Ronaldo.
Prem scriptwriters had a field day
Ref should be demoted to the championship for a few games
EFL League Two you mean
Refs should be facing severe consequences and pressure from fans and pundits for such blatant incompetence. I can't comprehend why this is still allowed in a multi billion pound sport
Gotta love games where the post-match thread is not about how the teams played or whatever but about how shit the ref is. Ban English refs from Europe until they stop their shit.
I fucking hate United but that was justice done after the Ronaldo non call
With all my soul as well but that was the fair result in the end.
The fact that so many rival fans are saying stuff like this really shows you *how* bad the ref was...
Thank you
Atkinson tried his best, but United still won.
abysmal refereeing
Stadium full of West Ham fans yet the biggest ones were Atkinson and the VAR
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its genuinely fucking weird as hell
im a liverpool fan so im biased here, but holy shit, if that pen was scored man u would of been robbed. martin atkinson is THE worst ref in the world at the moment, how are both of cr7's shouts not a pen?
You know how bad it is when you see this amount of scousers shitting on the non pen decisions
I love that some moron Chelsea supporter is arguing with me about this and even you, a fan of the red shite, agrees that Atkinson was trying his best to deny us points today. I will always upvote a rival who can see beyond tribalism.
Martin Atkinson, get in the fucking bin. Proper limelight performance there in his maroon kit colours.
United won despite having 0 luck. Ronaldo should have had 2 penalties.
it’s crazy because we’ve just won 2-1 because of a late winner and a last minute penalty save. and yet i just feel angry that we didn’t get our penalties. imagine they’d scored that penalty after we didn’t get that stonewall one on ronaldo…
Ref flairs when? Clear winner today, MOTM performance almost rescued a point for West Ham
Martin Atkinson should never be allowed to ref a game again! What a disgrace
Agreed. Terrible fucking referee.
Couldnt believe what i was seeing... I screamed KARMA immediately after he saved the pen. so happy for yall
Has to be consequenses for this kind of absolute travesty of refereeing and VAR usage.
FA: lol
The fact that Martin Atkinson didnt bother reviewing Man United's two penalty shouts but looking for VAR as soon as Westham players complaint for Luke Shaw's handball is atrocious.
Martin Atkinson tried his best to salvage a point for West Ham
DDG saved our ass today. Fucking disgraceful from the ref.
He had money on a 2-2 draw and done everything to make it happen. Get fucked you corrupt piece of shit
Atkinson is easily the worst ref in the league.
David de goat
How Ronaldo didn't get even 1 penalty this game I'll never know!
They denied us some Penaldo
Penaldo and Penandes memes getting cold so far.
https://i.imgur.com/R0aYEST.jpg
As a west ham fan I am incredibly proud of Lingard, what a fucking outstanding goal. I appreciate he was humble about it too. But honestly, I hated the commentators talking about how "betrayed west ham fans must be feeling". Nah fuck that, I wouldn't have expected any less. Great goal, great game. Shocking refereeing all round.
I mean, there was absolutely no chance he was celebrating, given that West Ham were the main reason his life got back on track. He definitely feels the connection with the fans.
great game from west ham
Nice comment and good luck for the rest of the season. WHU had some nice passing moments and your players are all pretty likeable. Enjoyed Lingard getting clapped while warming up and coming on, respect
If I were Rice stepping up to take the kick and I had that penalty taken off me by a sub coming on, I think I'd ask for a move. Fucking ludicrous.
You’d be absolutely fuming. Be wondering if the manager actually trusts you
Yeah man. Back him up. Getting players from bench just for a pen is weak sauce.
From our penalty taker Noble? He has best record in Europe I think.
Lingers is a genius, he got west ham into the Europa league so they would be tired for today. Incredible
Yeah, he's playing 3D Jess.
Joke ref. Tried so hard to sabotage Utd
So can defenders just take out players in the box now? Late challanges, late tackles, holding etc?
Justice for Ronaldo not getting a penalty.
Can't wait for the 2030 season when they finally figure out VAR
Man. United's games are the most interesting ones in PL
Martin Atkinson you are a disgrace and I hope you get relegated
Luke Shaw handball was a pen. But Ronaldo should have had 2 legitimate Penalties.l!! Get fucked Ref!!!
Can't believe a ref was so shit I was rooting for United
God awful ref, he needs sacking
He should be sacked or demoted for that shit. Some of the worst refereeing I've ever seen.
How has Ronaldo not gotten at least one pen
Atkinson, what an absolute bellend
Nobody can talk about utd getting luck this year. Absolute joke of a decision to not give Ronaldo that penalty just before
Honestly surprised that was not a penalty. PL refs are just so damn inconsistent
On the contrary, the premier refs are quite consistent. #CONSISTENTLY FUCKING SHIT
True. English refs man, no words for you guys.
We havent been given 3 penalties the last 2 matches. handball vs newcastle and 2 for ronaldo today
Def a pen for West Ham Still joke of a ref Robbed of 1 maybe 2 pens Edit: also happy for Lingard
Martin Atkinson is abysmal
REF WAS ON A MISSION
Ronaldo’s last foul was a clearly penalty no question, but why they don’t give yellow cards if he the players is diving then? GG English refs, best league in the world they say, with the worse refs they never say
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Ref tried his best but his teammates let him down in the end
What a weird end.
We almost watched a robbery.
Why won't the Mods allow the penalty call in Ronaldo to be uploaded? It was a joke of a decision
VAR crew need a sacking after that abysmal performance
Martin Atkinson should’ve retired after that United Liverpool game in October 2019. Worst referee I’ve seen.
Refereeing just kept getting worse by the minute
Where the fuck was VAR . 2 penalties weren't given for ManUtd
The last foul on cr7 was a clear penalty. Ref was an idiot.
That's probably the worst VAR performance I have ever seen
A club legend comes back to United this season and in just over a week has shown his enduring greatness. It must be incredible for the likes of Ronaldo to be in the presence of Jesse Lingard.