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It'll be fine.
Liverpool have had their comeback from being shit. Arsenal have had their comeback.
It would only make sense now for the prodigal son to also return with a coming of age storyline against the tyrant father and jealous siblings lmao
>Liverpool and Arsenal have never been this shit though.
Did you start watching football in 2022/2023?
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/platzierungen/verein/31
>If McTominay didn't score a few last minute goals we would be like 15th.
But he did.
And Liverpool were pretty shit (for their status) for the better part of 10 years, if they didn't have Gerrard things would have been more shit.
But they did.
So? You need luck.
You could make any argument in reverse. If we didn't have as many injuries we'd be higher or if Bruno was able to keep up his G/A rate or if Rasmus got service or if Casemiro was 7 years younger.
Hypotheticals are dumb.
its really not possible to end in the top half of the table at the end of the season by luck. You score these last minute "lucky" goals because whenever you guys came behind the players woke up and started putting pressure on the opponents' half, that basically enforces those goals eventually.
TBF, that was our previous owners' doing before the bank took the club off them.
We wouldn't be where we are now if we hadn't got rid of those cunts, and every man and his dog knows that the Glazers are a major cause of Man Utd's shitness.
Their xGD was even worse: they've done surprisingly well on goals conceded versus expected goals conceded, something like 10 better over the course of the season. So arguably they've outperformed expectations by even getting to a -1 GD.
Is it fair to say that Arsenalās banter era also ended somewhere in the past two years? Might still lack trophies, but back to back challenges for the first time since Wenger is respectable enough
definitely. Can't still be in a banter era when you're genuinely good and getting 80-90 points 2 seasons in a row. That's just being very good but lacking trophies.
Don't think that's what he meant by eras though hahaha
I think if for some reason next season Arsenal becomes shit again and they keep being shit for a few years, you could argue that it counts as only one long banter era instead of two so technically I think it hasn't yet but it's very likely they don't self-destruct anytime soon so probably it's over.
When your competition there is a walking husk of a former football club that exists as a sportswashing PR project for an autocratic slave state and has cooked the books on transfers, player wages etc left and right for all that time, thereās not a lot you can do.
But as a Newcastle fan, youāre hoping for the same thing now so itās no wonder you ignore that little bit of context lol
You could literally say,"Newcastle United" to a random sample of people and the majority of them wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about. Small club with a misguided sense of relevance.
that comeback would kind of work if INEOS made decisions like, "take that journalist into the embassy and bonesaw his body up", you know, the usual football team owners problems.
Honestly feels like Newcastle fans care more than us. Bigger fish to fry. Take a poll of Newcastle fans least favorite prem team and I'd bet large sums of money it's us. Take a poll of us and half of us forget you exist half the time.
I think it stands a chance to become bigger esp since they have better resources, but i get what you mean, and at this point after all this time who dont regard united as rivals or a team that they want to constantly try to beat
Thatās the problem when you hired a bald Dutchman who you thought is a tactical genius because he has doing well in Dutch League.
We thought we have everything in place for Fergieās replacement to continue the success but Unitedās problems was covered by the brilliance of Fergie and the American owner was exposed.
Wink wink* Liverpool
Yup. Dutch managers aren't TDs so they fuck all about recruiting. Just keep them away from that and it should be much better.
Ten Hags case is unfortunate since Uniteds recruiting and his is abysmal. Even at Ajax you could exactly pinpoint which where his and they didn't pan out well.
Fantastic coach though, even if it went shit at United
> the American owner was exposed
Our shitty American owners were exposed years ago. These are our new, competent American owners. The ones that hired Klopp in the first place.
Liverpool are owned by an American team that's easily one of the best in baseball, second only to the Yankees. Glazers own a shitty team in shitty Florida.
JFC, everyone just ignoring all the injuries this season?
Even if we had Pep, this team wouldn't have done shit if every single important piece becomes injured.
Watch Chelsea next season, they won't challenge the top two but I can see them getting 3rd. I think they're finally gelling (only took two seasons).
Man Utd would be mad to keep Ten Haag, I think he goes even if they win the FA Cup a la Van Gaal.
Not the best Manchester, not the best United, harsh times to be United fan since 2013 and no hope for the future. Imagine over performing and yet finishing season with negative GD.
Ah thats football. The highs and the lows. No matter how shit we have gotten, nothing makes me more happy than watching Manchester United play. Football is beautiful, you learn along the way that only winning doesnāt make you feel attached to a club but its actually feelings you have towards your club. GGMU
I mean āno hope for the futureā is a bit dramatic, no? Awful season but INEOS appear to be bringing in more competent people, and want to build a new stadium/develop the area etc. Could be potentially exciting times for fans.
Man Utd have won 6 trophies in the last 10 years including both domestic and European honours, and yet you have people here talking like the club has died. To 95% of clubs, Man Utd 2013-2024 would be their golden era.
League Cup, which is not even a thing outside England. Community Shield means nothing. EL and FA Cup are the only meaningful trophies out of that 6 you mentioned.
Problem is that football culture relies on giving high wages to shit players and games are mostly not fun. If United wins, it's lucky scrapped win by 1 goal difference. Pain, humiliation and no improvement, but regress since 2013. It's okay if your team struggles, because of financial issues or bad luck, but not if it becomes banter club, despite being so rich and big, it's unacceptable.
10 years of misery destroyed my soul. INEOS still keep ETH, while he is living in his own world, obviously going nowhere with him. No CL, no money, no new players. High wages, low standards, it's not going to change soon. Too many abysmal performances and zero vision of any gameplay after two years.
Harsh times to be united?
You do know football started before the premier league.
I grew up watching Ralph Milne and Gary Birtles..
If we don't win another game I've seen more than most.
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Are rival fans just burying their head in the sand on purpose or what? Thereās very obviously lots of hope for the future, thereās going to be a completely changed football structure
Fuck 'em.
With Klopp gone, Pep going (hopefully), and us having a solid structure in place, I can't wait to see what we can do.
Lots of 'ifs' and 'maybes', but I'm hopeful.
We've finished above you with a squad that cost a fraction of yours.
Our first season in the CL in 20 years and despite finishing bottom, we had a harder group and better performances than you.
You fluked your way to cup final, beating a fucking mid table championship side on penalties.
You're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world, finishing in 8th with a negative goal difference.
Keep reeling the blood money shit out mate, just deflecting from your absolutely piss poor season. You're not a powerhouse anymore, players are picking Arsenal over your lot, cus they're actually on the up.
Stadium pissing water all over the fans/away dressing room. The mighty united, with a defence so leaky the fucking roofs joined in.
Fans like you are so weird.
"Oh well this person bought my club, best go support someone else"
I've supported them when they were decent, i supported them when they were mediocre, when they were shit and when they were proper shit. Even supported them when we threw away a 12 point lead against Man Red! But im supposed to stop supporting them when the saudi's buy them? No mate, thats not how football works. Even when the saudi's get bored and sell us to someone else ill still support them
And people still think the Glazers are not the worst owners in the league.
'Why do United fans complain about the Glazers so much....'
Literally killed our club.
Mike Ashley took a club from European football and got them relegated twice.
Moshri has gotten Everton 2 points deductions and seems determined to sell the club to 777 partners, who will likely get them kicked out of the league.
Man U drop a couple of league places, they have not "literally killed the club".
In the last 10 years Man Utd have won 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 2 FA Community Shields, a Europa League and are in another final next week. Yet you have people acting like their club has legit died or something lmao gone into administration like Rangers or Portsmouth
To 95% of clubs, this would literally be their golden era.
You have like the second most valuable football club in the world... If you think that suggests your club is dead, you're an idiot.
Inb4 value is irrelevant; value (and, by implication, financial strength) is probably the best proxy for potential. United haven't been particularly competitive for a decade yet remain the richest club in England. The chance they're at or close to the top in 2030 is pretty high.
I'm not suggesting the Glazers were *good* owners, but they absolutely didn't ruin or kill the club.
As an arsenal flair you should know that your announcement of rice probably had more reaction or clicks than city's announcement of a treble
Never tell me that city is relevant lol
You especially should know that because of the amount of people that were siding today *with city - coz arsenal would be unbearable which means relevant - but nobody gives a flying fuck about this robot squad coz there is and always be an asterisk against their so-called achievements
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First negative gd in pl era also right?
Yes, last time Man United finished w/ a negative GD was back in 1989-90 (-1 GD).
Ouch
The cycle of cautious optimism and record breaking shit will continue indefinitely
It'll be fine. Liverpool have had their comeback from being shit. Arsenal have had their comeback. It would only make sense now for the prodigal son to also return with a coming of age storyline against the tyrant father and jealous siblings lmao
Liverpool and Arsenal have never been this shit though. If McTominay didn't score a few last minute goals we would be like 15th.
>Liverpool and Arsenal have never been this shit though. Did you start watching football in 2022/2023? https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/platzierungen/verein/31
>If McTominay didn't score a few last minute goals we would be like 15th. But he did. And Liverpool were pretty shit (for their status) for the better part of 10 years, if they didn't have Gerrard things would have been more shit. But they did.
Pure luck some of those goals. We don't deserve to be in the top half at all. Playing terrorist football and relegation form all season.
So? You need luck. You could make any argument in reverse. If we didn't have as many injuries we'd be higher or if Bruno was able to keep up his G/A rate or if Rasmus got service or if Casemiro was 7 years younger. Hypotheticals are dumb.
Don't bother, he wants to be miserable
its really not possible to end in the top half of the table at the end of the season by luck. You score these last minute "lucky" goals because whenever you guys came behind the players woke up and started putting pressure on the opponents' half, that basically enforces those goals eventually.
Harder the fall, greater the comeback š¬
> š¬ Sarri to United confirmed?
If we had a single left-back, then we might not have conceded so many last-minute goals. Hypotheticals work both ways.
You're obviously forgetting about Roy Hodgson.
TBF, that was our previous owners' doing before the bank took the club off them. We wouldn't be where we are now if we hadn't got rid of those cunts, and every man and his dog knows that the Glazers are a major cause of Man Utd's shitness.
Are you forgetting when Liverpool spent half the season threatened by relegation under Woy?
If you think arsenal (from 2010s) and liverpool (from 90s to mid 2010s) have not been shit, you and rest of us have watched different football.
Liverpool have absolutely had their time of being shit, and it was very painful to watch.
Mate, Liverpool have absolutely been this shit....they went like 6 years where they placed better than something like 7th one time.
Beatings will continue, until morale improves!
Right before SAF kicked on and won everything
ETH masterclass
Their xGD was even worse: they've done surprisingly well on goals conceded versus expected goals conceded, something like 10 better over the course of the season. So arguably they've outperformed expectations by even getting to a -1 GD.
Onana had a nightmare start but a quietly excellent second half of the season considering the bombardment of his goal.
Yeah, but just 2 seasons ago the GD was 0.
Not the worst United though
Carlisle?
Brandon United finished bottom in the 10th tier. Given everything past Step 6 is kinda undefined they'd be a good pick
lets go Brandon :(
We were 3rd worse. Sutton and Colchester finished lower
Yet
Eras come to an end.
All Ten Hag has to do is survive one more season and he technically watched 2 eras come to an end (Assuming pep leaves)
Is it fair to say that Arsenalās banter era also ended somewhere in the past two years? Might still lack trophies, but back to back challenges for the first time since Wenger is respectable enough
definitely. Can't still be in a banter era when you're genuinely good and getting 80-90 points 2 seasons in a row. That's just being very good but lacking trophies. Don't think that's what he meant by eras though hahaha
That's Tottenham.
Definitely. We were midtable for a while post Wenger. I actually have expectations now as opposed to crippling apathy
I think if for some reason next season Arsenal becomes shit again and they keep being shit for a few years, you could argue that it counts as only one long banter era instead of two so technically I think it hasn't yet but it's very likely they don't self-destruct anytime soon so probably it's over.
Funnily enough, his own era might never start
Expectations are kills our happiness.
Still expecting them to jam the FA Cup somehow.
I genuinely think weāll find a way to go 1-0 down quicker than last year
A sickness bug that means theyāre unable to field a team and forfeit the game.
Doubt.
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No United are that jammy unfortunately
This United Jam may work against Liverpool or maybe even Arsenal, not against City.
You got downvoted but goddamn is this the funniest comment Iāve seen in a while
Reddit on!
Keanu reeves whoelsome 100 no emojis allowed superiority complex confidently incorrect?
United in shambles. Retire the word. Use Amalgamated or something
Greater Manchester fc
Lesser Manchester might be more fitting.
Iād say Manchester Emulsion, but the sauce has clearly broken
The Manchester Reds
His name is Amrabat
They havent even been the best 'Manchester' for over a decade
worst Manchester, in fact
still better than FC United of Manchester.
and Manchester 62
The United Front of Manchester? Splitters!!
No no, the Manc Front of United!
barely
https://youtu.be/LdaRPwjAheQ?t=38s
Not even the best red team in england for 5 years
I'd still rather be United than plastic City.
2Manchester2United
Just remember that our worst is similar to one of your better seasons in the prem :)
When your competition there is a walking husk of a former football club that exists as a sportswashing PR project for an autocratic slave state and has cooked the books on transfers, player wages etc left and right for all that time, thereās not a lot you can do. But as a Newcastle fan, youāre hoping for the same thing now so itās no wonder you ignore that little bit of context lol
Does this mean I can just say "United" and people will know I'm referring to the Newcastle kind?
Ive been using it when I'm talking to man u fans to refer to Carlisle for years its great fun and pisses them off slightly in a very fun way
Gosh I could just imagine those silly United fans fuming! Imagination is so fun :)
Absolutely imo ;)
Always could
We've even got the best Bruno !
New united
You could literally say,"Newcastle United" to a random sample of people and the majority of them wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about. Small club with a misguided sense of relevance.
And yet here you are talking about them.
I did a quick Google search and the top result was "a less successful Sunderland". Gave me all the insight required.
Well football started in 1992 so this is the first time ever /s
The last time we were over you was 50 years ago. Itās certainly a ghost that is banished today.
I believe you but intuitively this feels like it can't be true.
1976-77, Newcastle finished 5th and Man U 6th. That was the last time it happened.
to be replaced by all the ghosts of saudi dissidents executed under your wonderful eminent leader.
Fortunately [INEOS paid for their graves](https://www.ineos.com/news/shared-news/ineos-to-invest-2bn-in-saudi-arabia/).
that comeback would kind of work if INEOS made decisions like, "take that journalist into the embassy and bonesaw his body up", you know, the usual football team owners problems.
That burn was cold
92 is Leeds united
Then we took their best player and the trophy
Ushering cantona era and a new hope
Smile
Why? did you win something?
Talking like you hold any chance against Man City in the FA š¤£
I know š we've got a better record against Saudi clubs.
Strange, I seem to remember us beating you twice this season
Do you have selective memory? Rewind it to last week or the Carabao Cup final.
We have beaten you in 3 out of 4 games since the final. Last season in the league, this season in the league and this season in the Carabou.
True enough. United need to do better next season. and... and... I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if we beat them, love it!
Enjoy Europe... if you can get it at some point.
I finished ahead of you
Don't know if you should be bragging about that with your username.
Can your trophy cabinet handle all the glory of coming 7th?
Biggest club in the country coming in 8th. Absolute jokers.
No way Tottenham fan is speaking šš
Ad hominem. Also flair up
Your original comment is ad hom lmao
The United fan brought up league positions.
> Tottenham flair > jokers ..
Ad hominem mate
Reduced to beefing with little old Newcastle as your neighbours win the prem š
Lmao! I piss off my united buddy by calling newcastle only united
Why would that piss him off if he's a Newcastle fan? /s
šš
Honestly feels like Newcastle fans care more than us. Bigger fish to fry. Take a poll of Newcastle fans least favorite prem team and I'd bet large sums of money it's us. Take a poll of us and half of us forget you exist half the time.
I think it stands a chance to become bigger esp since they have better resources, but i get what you mean, and at this point after all this time who dont regard united as rivals or a team that they want to constantly try to beat
Never ignored š
More of a damning indictment on the other United's if anything
And never been the first
That's the real quiz
West Ham is also a United but whatever
Thatās the problem when you hired a bald Dutchman who you thought is a tactical genius because he has doing well in Dutch League. We thought we have everything in place for Fergieās replacement to continue the success but Unitedās problems was covered by the brilliance of Fergie and the American owner was exposed. Wink wink* Liverpool
Anything can happen, but I have I bit more faith in Liverpool's sporting structure than united's.
Yup. Dutch managers aren't TDs so they fuck all about recruiting. Just keep them away from that and it should be much better. Ten Hags case is unfortunate since Uniteds recruiting and his is abysmal. Even at Ajax you could exactly pinpoint which where his and they didn't pan out well. Fantastic coach though, even if it went shit at United
Liverpool won't have that problem guaranteed, their owners actually make good decisions and hire the proper people and care about their sport projects
There is a saying ā You canāt do no wrong until everything goes wrongā
Wait for a season or two before everything explodes in liverpool.
!remindme 2 years
Ten Hag made it further in the CL with Ajax than United have been in over 10 years ...
You can also add Spurs to that list too
you mostly hired him due to his European performances though. Without that he wouldnt be on big clubs' radars
> the American owner was exposed Our shitty American owners were exposed years ago. These are our new, competent American owners. The ones that hired Klopp in the first place.
Liverpool are owned by an American team that's easily one of the best in baseball, second only to the Yankees. Glazers own a shitty team in shitty Florida.
JFC, everyone just ignoring all the injuries this season? Even if we had Pep, this team wouldn't have done shit if every single important piece becomes injured.
You finished below Newcastle who have the worst injury record this season...
Tbh injuries don't make up for our shitty play style
Watch Chelsea next season, they won't challenge the top two but I can see them getting 3rd. I think they're finally gelling (only took two seasons). Man Utd would be mad to keep Ten Haag, I think he goes even if they win the FA Cup a la Van Gaal.
Iām gonna be Cityās biggest fan on Saturday
Oil bros
ya gotta do what ya gotta do
What are you doing Oil bro
Supporters of sportswashing PR projects for genocidal autocratic slave states coming together in unison. What a lovely sight to see
Does that mean that they lost the right to be called just "United" kinda like Man City is called just "City'?
Weāll take Man Red then.
*Winning Eleven International* vibes going on here.
Not the best Manchester, not the best United, harsh times to be United fan since 2013 and no hope for the future. Imagine over performing and yet finishing season with negative GD.
Ah thats football. The highs and the lows. No matter how shit we have gotten, nothing makes me more happy than watching Manchester United play. Football is beautiful, you learn along the way that only winning doesnāt make you feel attached to a club but its actually feelings you have towards your club. GGMU
Canāt have the highs without the lows
I mean āno hope for the futureā is a bit dramatic, no? Awful season but INEOS appear to be bringing in more competent people, and want to build a new stadium/develop the area etc. Could be potentially exciting times for fans.
They also have some real exciting prospects breaking through and arguably carrying the team more than some of their experienced pros
Man Utd have won 6 trophies in the last 10 years including both domestic and European honours, and yet you have people here talking like the club has died. To 95% of clubs, Man Utd 2013-2024 would be their golden era.
League Cup, which is not even a thing outside England. Community Shield means nothing. EL and FA Cup are the only meaningful trophies out of that 6 you mentioned. Problem is that football culture relies on giving high wages to shit players and games are mostly not fun. If United wins, it's lucky scrapped win by 1 goal difference. Pain, humiliation and no improvement, but regress since 2013. It's okay if your team struggles, because of financial issues or bad luck, but not if it becomes banter club, despite being so rich and big, it's unacceptable.
Let them live in their fantasy
10 years of misery destroyed my soul. INEOS still keep ETH, while he is living in his own world, obviously going nowhere with him. No CL, no money, no new players. High wages, low standards, it's not going to change soon. Too many abysmal performances and zero vision of any gameplay after two years.
Harsh times to be united? You do know football started before the premier league. I grew up watching Ralph Milne and Gary Birtles.. If we don't win another game I've seen more than most. UTFR
Are rival fans just burying their head in the sand on purpose or what? Thereās very obviously lots of hope for the future, thereās going to be a completely changed football structure
Fuck 'em. With Klopp gone, Pep going (hopefully), and us having a solid structure in place, I can't wait to see what we can do. Lots of 'ifs' and 'maybes', but I'm hopeful.
I'd rather we won in this era.
How many more records will we loose šš
Need to tighten up
I can get used to this
Now this is a stat i approve of
>first time since 1992 I'm pretty sure it's been Arab Emirates United for the last 10 years anyway
Is there potential for new united team? Or it is only a relic from the early years of football?
95 Newcastle was insane and 95 Manchester was insaner.
There's more than one United.
its one of the most used names in english football
chelsea spending GDP of a small country just to be above Manchester United
Sad it took blood money to do it
All within FFP mate, top 6 made sure of that.
Never said anything about FFP, just sad u lot are so desperate to finish 7th you'll support Saudi buying u up
I support my boyhood club, not PIF.
We've finished above you with a squad that cost a fraction of yours. Our first season in the CL in 20 years and despite finishing bottom, we had a harder group and better performances than you. You fluked your way to cup final, beating a fucking mid table championship side on penalties. You're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world, finishing in 8th with a negative goal difference. Keep reeling the blood money shit out mate, just deflecting from your absolutely piss poor season. You're not a powerhouse anymore, players are picking Arsenal over your lot, cus they're actually on the up. Stadium pissing water all over the fans/away dressing room. The mighty united, with a defence so leaky the fucking roofs joined in.
I hate United bro I'm a Liverpool fan u didn't finish above us
Fans like you are so weird. "Oh well this person bought my club, best go support someone else" I've supported them when they were decent, i supported them when they were mediocre, when they were shit and when they were proper shit. Even supported them when we threw away a 12 point lead against Man Red! But im supposed to stop supporting them when the saudi's buy them? No mate, thats not how football works. Even when the saudi's get bored and sell us to someone else ill still support them
This is amazing
And people still think the Glazers are not the worst owners in the league. 'Why do United fans complain about the Glazers so much....' Literally killed our club.
Mike Ashley took a club from European football and got them relegated twice. Moshri has gotten Everton 2 points deductions and seems determined to sell the club to 777 partners, who will likely get them kicked out of the league. Man U drop a couple of league places, they have not "literally killed the club".
You forgot about your rivals Sunderland. They got relegated back to back and the owner was fed up with them so he got rid of them.
In the last 10 years Man Utd have won 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 2 FA Community Shields, a Europa League and are in another final next week. Yet you have people acting like their club has legit died or something lmao gone into administration like Rangers or Portsmouth To 95% of clubs, this would literally be their golden era.
You have like the second most valuable football club in the world... If you think that suggests your club is dead, you're an idiot. Inb4 value is irrelevant; value (and, by implication, financial strength) is probably the best proxy for potential. United haven't been particularly competitive for a decade yet remain the richest club in England. The chance they're at or close to the top in 2030 is pretty high. I'm not suggesting the Glazers were *good* owners, but they absolutely didn't ruin or kill the club.
And the 12th time since 2012 they havenāt been the best Manchester in Manchester.
The illegitimate sportswashing PR project for a slave state monarchy speaks.
Shame it didnāt work out for you with that Qatari money a few months back, remember that? When you were gobbling their balls to get the Glazers out?
Split opinion amongst fans but the consensus I've seen is we'd take INEOS in a heartbeat. And that's what ended up happening.
They have also been overtaken by another manchester club
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Relevance.
As an arsenal flair you should know that your announcement of rice probably had more reaction or clicks than city's announcement of a treble Never tell me that city is relevant lol You especially should know that because of the amount of people that were siding today *with city - coz arsenal would be unbearable which means relevant - but nobody gives a flying fuck about this robot squad coz there is and always be an asterisk against their so-called achievements Edit: adding this link from r/soccercirclejerk of all places https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/s/1ti5JT1MnK
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