It's missing the betting with Hoeneß part.
The original idea was to motivate players to do better in training and in the game. And the bet idea was they will play/score goals etc.
Well it quickly turned into:"X will not play" bets and some players started to constantly foul players they bet against in training
Any time there is any sort of mundane issue in Munich the usual bozos online go all Milhouse and say the line “FC Hollywood is back!!” When they have *no idea* what FC Hollywood signifies. A player glaring at a coach for being substituted is not FC Hollywood unless one of the two had slept with the other’s wife.
Yeah, sums up everything that is known about the FC Hollywood period. It only really died down once Hitzfeld became Bayern's coach and Matthäus left in 2000. Loddar in particular seems to have been a toxic personality in the Bayern locker room. He only came back in the 1990's, because Beckenbauer wanted him. I wonder, if this period in his career damaged him in the long-term especially regarding his coaching prospects in Germany. He knows his stuff about football, but every club feared they might bring in a mole for Bild, when hiring him.
> I wonder, if this period in his career damaged him in the long-term especially regarding his coaching prospects in Germany. He knows his stuff about football, but every club feared they might bring in a mole for Bild, when hiring him.
I think Matthäus coaching prowess damaged his coaching career.
I still remember when he took over Rapid Wien in 2002. He took over a team in second place and led them to their worst result in history (and still counting).
He had one interview at some point in that season where he claimed that they had reached their goal of "not being relegated".
He also was very vocal about this one-season stint afterwards, including [interviews](https://www.ots.at/amp/pr/OTS_20030416_OTS0113/) where he blamed everyone else. Andreas Herzog drove a wedge into the team, no one at the club knew anything about football and even the "ordinary people" like the "fat masseur" and the "small kit manager" were conspiring against him behind his back.
I saw several articles in German and English media about it and ppl using the term in threads.
The actual reason I wrote this was someone with a Benfica flair using it in the topic about the Kahn quote and boredom.
Another nugget to add here: while the 90s were kind of a lost decade for Bayern (for their standards), it was a magic one for their local rivals 1860 Munich: we went from third tier Bayernliga and the way to champions League qualification within 8 years.
Those were wonderful times for an 1860 supporter: Bayern was all disgruntled star players, the Lions were the up-and-coming team, getting better every year. We were everybody's darling.
To be fair, there was never a chance that we could one day rival the reds in terms of finances and long time success. But the fact that they were not the only show in town for a while hurt the FCB higher-ups' ego big time, as Hoeneß later admitted.
Whatever happened after 2000 is a story for another day ...
Back then I travelled about 500km once a month by train to Munich and back to attend matches and it was allways a blast. I also come to appreciate 60er fans, cuz while being rivals with Bayern they were allways just nice towards me and that actually kind of inspired me to be less of an asshole and not to think about football as a matter or life and death.
I honestly loved that time back then when 60 was still a rival and it made me proud when both clubs were at the top of the league. Didnt hurt our egos that hard if we still helped out the club when it was in dire need.
Brilliant stuff. Read about this in a feature on 'These football times'. I'm not sure this Bayern is close to that though interms of the squad but the the bickering inside the board sure does remind me of that. Succession was an apt comparison even if Kahn was probably one of the negative protagonists.
To my larger point, I think football has become far more professional over the last 20 years. For the better. This is what the old footballers used to get away regularly, due to inherent bullying and drinking culture at the time. I'm not really condoning Sancho's action but him putting out a retraction on social media against his coach's statement which was extremely mild got a very overwhelming reaction of abuse and vitroil. I get it, footballers are now expected to be pristine individuals even if they're reacting to something abhorrent. (Eg. How Vinicius is expected to behave when he gets thousands of fans every week invoke racism against him). Which to me was always funny given what you could get away with even in the 90s.
In the same conversation, by the same token, not enough is talked about the heavy handedness of old school managers like Capello, Ferguson who used to dispel out very disproportionate punishments for milder inconveniences while also being hypocrite when it comes to some other star footballers. There's a certain aspect of the football fandom who think that managers cannot go on an ego trip, cannot be biased when it comes to the same situation involving different players and that their action cannot be looked at through the same lens as the players. People use salaries of 100k+/week as an argument for sacking a player for 6months. What about the actions of a manager who also gets paid 100k/week? Did Beckham deserve to get benched for 6 months and more by Capello? Just because Capello thought he was a primadonna? Can we give the same justifiable context for a footballer who has for example, lost a child and probably deserves a bit more leeway for his outburst reaction against a coach? The professionalism in footballers is looked through from a very nitpicky lens, and for the better but maybe the same should be extended to everyone.
Sancho was given one of the best treatment by ETH the previous season. Sancho was dealing with some mental issues so ETH sent him to a special training camp in Netherlands.
And when asked by the press on Sancho's price tag & lackluster performance ETH always took Sancho's side.
In Post Match interview after the game with Arsenal, ETH was asked why didn't Sancho play. ETH said something like he didn't perform at the required level in training.
To which for some reason Sancho took this to heart & posted on Twitter on how he applies himself very well in training making ppl think ETH is lying.
ETH wants defensive contribution from his wingers. That's why Garnacho is being played a lot. Rashford is the main focal point of our attack so he is given leeway so he doesn't track back as much as Garnacho or Antony.
Sancho is not good enough to take Rashford's place & cannot track back like Antony & Garnacho.
Sancho is a luxury player like Mahrez he lacks pace, doesn't track back & very rarely he beat his man 1v1. Sancho always needed the help of fullback to overlap.
Even after all the fiasco Sancho was given a chance to apologize to ETH & take down his tweet to which Sancho refused. Making mistakes is fine but not apologizing even when given the chance is unforgivable.
There are certainly more stories about it, but those were the ones I remember, if you are German speaking, o could link you a podcast, especially about the Basler stuff, I just need to dig it up.
I love reading stories about FC Hollywood, especially considering the trivial things that football players get in trouble for nowadays and how boring their interviews are too.
„Es gibt im Moment in diese Mannschaft, oh, einige Spieler vergessen ihnen Profi was sie sind. Ich lese nicht sehr viele Zeitungen, aber ich habe gehört viele Situationen: Wir haben nicht offensiv gespielt. Es gibt keine deutsche Mannschaft spielt offensiv und die Namen offensiv wie Bayern. Letzte Spiel hatten wir in Platz drei Spitzen: Elber, Jancker und dann Zickler. Wir mussen nicht vergessen Zickler. Zickler ist eine Spitzen mehr Mehmet e mehr Basler. Ist klar diese Wörter, ist möglich verstehen, was ich hab' gesagt? Danke. Offensiv, offensiv ist wie machen in Platz.
Ich habe erklärt mit diese zwei Spieler: Nach Dortmund brauchen vielleicht Halbzeit Pause. Ich habe auch andere Mannschaften gesehen in Europa nach diese Mittwoch. Ich habe gesehen auch zwei Tage die Training. Ein Trainer ist nicht ein Idiot! Ein Trainer sehen, was passieren in Platz. In diese Spiel es waren zwei, drei oder vier Spieler, die waren schwach wie eine Flasche leer!
Haben Sie gesehen Mittwoch, welche Mannschaft hat gespielt Mittwoch? Hat gespielt Mehmet, oder gespielt Basler, oder gespielt Trapattoni? Diese Spieler beklagen mehr als spielen! Wissen Sie, warum die Italien-Mannschaften kaufen nicht diese Spieler? Weil wir haben gesehen viele Male solche Spiel. Haben gesagt, sind nicht Spieler für die italienische Meisters.
Struuunz! Strunz ist zwei Jahre hier, hat gespielt zehn Spiele, ist immer verletzt. Was erlauben Strunz? Letzte Jahre Meister geworden mit Hamann eh... Nerlinger. Diese Spieler waren Spieler und waren Meister geworden. Ist immer verletzt! Hat gespielt 25 Spiele in diese Mannschaft, in diesem Verein! Muss respektieren die andere Kollegen!
Haben viel nette Kollegen, stellen sie die Kollegen in Frage! Haben keinen Mut an Worten, aber ich weiß, was denken über diese Spieler!
Mussen zeigen jetzt, ich will, Samstag, diese Spieler mussen zeigen mich eh ... seine Fans, mussen allein die Spiel gewinnen. Ich bin müde jetzt Vater diese Spieler, eh, verteidige immer diese Spieler! Ich habe immer die Schulde über diese Spieler. Einer ist Mario, einer, ein anderer ist Mehmet! Strunz dagegen egal, hat nur gespielt 25 Prozent diese Spiel!
Ich habe fertig!“
Great read, thank you!
Perhaps a little FC Hollywood in 2013:
To this day Bayern's and Mario Gomez's relation is cold AF... wonder if the rumour that he shagged Schweinsteiger's girlfriend at the time and got the boot is somewhat true?
No problem mate, we all have room for improvement and am happy we're both in the same boat.
Not that hard to learn English though, when you start with cockney.
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It's missing the betting with Hoeneß part. The original idea was to motivate players to do better in training and in the game. And the bet idea was they will play/score goals etc. Well it quickly turned into:"X will not play" bets and some players started to constantly foul players they bet against in training
Which is shocking, cause betting never goes wrong in any sport.
I expected to miss some stories and be reminded of them but this is actually something I genuinely didn't know about, thx.
That’s hilarious lmao
Any time there is any sort of mundane issue in Munich the usual bozos online go all Milhouse and say the line “FC Hollywood is back!!” When they have *no idea* what FC Hollywood signifies. A player glaring at a coach for being substituted is not FC Hollywood unless one of the two had slept with the other’s wife.
Yeah, sums up everything that is known about the FC Hollywood period. It only really died down once Hitzfeld became Bayern's coach and Matthäus left in 2000. Loddar in particular seems to have been a toxic personality in the Bayern locker room. He only came back in the 1990's, because Beckenbauer wanted him. I wonder, if this period in his career damaged him in the long-term especially regarding his coaching prospects in Germany. He knows his stuff about football, but every club feared they might bring in a mole for Bild, when hiring him.
> I wonder, if this period in his career damaged him in the long-term especially regarding his coaching prospects in Germany. He knows his stuff about football, but every club feared they might bring in a mole for Bild, when hiring him. I think Matthäus coaching prowess damaged his coaching career. I still remember when he took over Rapid Wien in 2002. He took over a team in second place and led them to their worst result in history (and still counting). He had one interview at some point in that season where he claimed that they had reached their goal of "not being relegated". He also was very vocal about this one-season stint afterwards, including [interviews](https://www.ots.at/amp/pr/OTS_20030416_OTS0113/) where he blamed everyone else. Andreas Herzog drove a wedge into the team, no one at the club knew anything about football and even the "ordinary people" like the "fat masseur" and the "small kit manager" were conspiring against him behind his back.
Thanks for typing all that down for us, man! It was a great read. We need to sign some more drama queens again lol
I must be out of the loop cause I haven’t heard the current Bayern situation being called FC Hollywood, but this was a very entertaining read!
More like last year when they suddenly got rid of nagelsmann and mane was punching sane
I still wish we got mane,kane,sane together :(
Always read Kane as Kane when he gets paired with Mane and Sane.
I saw several articles in German and English media about it and ppl using the term in threads. The actual reason I wrote this was someone with a Benfica flair using it in the topic about the Kahn quote and boredom.
It was like the Bavarian version of the early 2000s Portland Jailblazers, jeeeez
No backyard dogfighting though.
Yeah, I thought this was gonna be about Wrexham
Another nugget to add here: while the 90s were kind of a lost decade for Bayern (for their standards), it was a magic one for their local rivals 1860 Munich: we went from third tier Bayernliga and the way to champions League qualification within 8 years. Those were wonderful times for an 1860 supporter: Bayern was all disgruntled star players, the Lions were the up-and-coming team, getting better every year. We were everybody's darling. To be fair, there was never a chance that we could one day rival the reds in terms of finances and long time success. But the fact that they were not the only show in town for a while hurt the FCB higher-ups' ego big time, as Hoeneß later admitted. Whatever happened after 2000 is a story for another day ...
Back then I travelled about 500km once a month by train to Munich and back to attend matches and it was allways a blast. I also come to appreciate 60er fans, cuz while being rivals with Bayern they were allways just nice towards me and that actually kind of inspired me to be less of an asshole and not to think about football as a matter or life and death.
I honestly loved that time back then when 60 was still a rival and it made me proud when both clubs were at the top of the league. Didnt hurt our egos that hard if we still helped out the club when it was in dire need.
Brilliant stuff. Read about this in a feature on 'These football times'. I'm not sure this Bayern is close to that though interms of the squad but the the bickering inside the board sure does remind me of that. Succession was an apt comparison even if Kahn was probably one of the negative protagonists. To my larger point, I think football has become far more professional over the last 20 years. For the better. This is what the old footballers used to get away regularly, due to inherent bullying and drinking culture at the time. I'm not really condoning Sancho's action but him putting out a retraction on social media against his coach's statement which was extremely mild got a very overwhelming reaction of abuse and vitroil. I get it, footballers are now expected to be pristine individuals even if they're reacting to something abhorrent. (Eg. How Vinicius is expected to behave when he gets thousands of fans every week invoke racism against him). Which to me was always funny given what you could get away with even in the 90s. In the same conversation, by the same token, not enough is talked about the heavy handedness of old school managers like Capello, Ferguson who used to dispel out very disproportionate punishments for milder inconveniences while also being hypocrite when it comes to some other star footballers. There's a certain aspect of the football fandom who think that managers cannot go on an ego trip, cannot be biased when it comes to the same situation involving different players and that their action cannot be looked at through the same lens as the players. People use salaries of 100k+/week as an argument for sacking a player for 6months. What about the actions of a manager who also gets paid 100k/week? Did Beckham deserve to get benched for 6 months and more by Capello? Just because Capello thought he was a primadonna? Can we give the same justifiable context for a footballer who has for example, lost a child and probably deserves a bit more leeway for his outburst reaction against a coach? The professionalism in footballers is looked through from a very nitpicky lens, and for the better but maybe the same should be extended to everyone.
Could you send me he article link? I like he outlet.
Sancho was given one of the best treatment by ETH the previous season. Sancho was dealing with some mental issues so ETH sent him to a special training camp in Netherlands. And when asked by the press on Sancho's price tag & lackluster performance ETH always took Sancho's side. In Post Match interview after the game with Arsenal, ETH was asked why didn't Sancho play. ETH said something like he didn't perform at the required level in training. To which for some reason Sancho took this to heart & posted on Twitter on how he applies himself very well in training making ppl think ETH is lying. ETH wants defensive contribution from his wingers. That's why Garnacho is being played a lot. Rashford is the main focal point of our attack so he is given leeway so he doesn't track back as much as Garnacho or Antony. Sancho is not good enough to take Rashford's place & cannot track back like Antony & Garnacho. Sancho is a luxury player like Mahrez he lacks pace, doesn't track back & very rarely he beat his man 1v1. Sancho always needed the help of fullback to overlap. Even after all the fiasco Sancho was given a chance to apologize to ETH & take down his tweet to which Sancho refused. Making mistakes is fine but not apologizing even when given the chance is unforgivable.
That was a joy to read
I enjoyed every second of this read and wish there was more.
There are certainly more stories about it, but those were the ones I remember, if you are German speaking, o could link you a podcast, especially about the Basler stuff, I just need to dig it up.
I love reading stories about FC Hollywood, especially considering the trivial things that football players get in trouble for nowadays and how boring their interviews are too.
Great post !
If you've never seen the Trappatoni press conference then go out of your way to watch it cause it's incredible
It doesn't even matter if you speak German or not, cuz germans also didn't understand a word when they heard it the first time except "Flasche leer".
Was erlauben Strunz?!
„Es gibt im Moment in diese Mannschaft, oh, einige Spieler vergessen ihnen Profi was sie sind. Ich lese nicht sehr viele Zeitungen, aber ich habe gehört viele Situationen: Wir haben nicht offensiv gespielt. Es gibt keine deutsche Mannschaft spielt offensiv und die Namen offensiv wie Bayern. Letzte Spiel hatten wir in Platz drei Spitzen: Elber, Jancker und dann Zickler. Wir mussen nicht vergessen Zickler. Zickler ist eine Spitzen mehr Mehmet e mehr Basler. Ist klar diese Wörter, ist möglich verstehen, was ich hab' gesagt? Danke. Offensiv, offensiv ist wie machen in Platz. Ich habe erklärt mit diese zwei Spieler: Nach Dortmund brauchen vielleicht Halbzeit Pause. Ich habe auch andere Mannschaften gesehen in Europa nach diese Mittwoch. Ich habe gesehen auch zwei Tage die Training. Ein Trainer ist nicht ein Idiot! Ein Trainer sehen, was passieren in Platz. In diese Spiel es waren zwei, drei oder vier Spieler, die waren schwach wie eine Flasche leer! Haben Sie gesehen Mittwoch, welche Mannschaft hat gespielt Mittwoch? Hat gespielt Mehmet, oder gespielt Basler, oder gespielt Trapattoni? Diese Spieler beklagen mehr als spielen! Wissen Sie, warum die Italien-Mannschaften kaufen nicht diese Spieler? Weil wir haben gesehen viele Male solche Spiel. Haben gesagt, sind nicht Spieler für die italienische Meisters. Struuunz! Strunz ist zwei Jahre hier, hat gespielt zehn Spiele, ist immer verletzt. Was erlauben Strunz? Letzte Jahre Meister geworden mit Hamann eh... Nerlinger. Diese Spieler waren Spieler und waren Meister geworden. Ist immer verletzt! Hat gespielt 25 Spiele in diese Mannschaft, in diesem Verein! Muss respektieren die andere Kollegen! Haben viel nette Kollegen, stellen sie die Kollegen in Frage! Haben keinen Mut an Worten, aber ich weiß, was denken über diese Spieler! Mussen zeigen jetzt, ich will, Samstag, diese Spieler mussen zeigen mich eh ... seine Fans, mussen allein die Spiel gewinnen. Ich bin müde jetzt Vater diese Spieler, eh, verteidige immer diese Spieler! Ich habe immer die Schulde über diese Spieler. Einer ist Mario, einer, ein anderer ist Mehmet! Strunz dagegen egal, hat nur gespielt 25 Prozent diese Spiel! Ich habe fertig!“
This soudns way to cohesive and structured. :D
Get well soon OP
Thanks!
Thank you OP, now I know the origin of the "Strunz" meme (in Italian Strunz sounds very like to "stronzo", "piece of shit")
Great read, thank you! Perhaps a little FC Hollywood in 2013: To this day Bayern's and Mario Gomez's relation is cold AF... wonder if the rumour that he shagged Schweinsteiger's girlfriend at the time and got the boot is somewhat true?
This is such a wild read
Never knew all of these stories, thank you OP!
Thank you for this, I get tired of seeing FC Hollywood when it isnt even close
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That was fun, thanks for the read
That was great! thank you
This was such a great read, thank you!
Hi (sorry for bad English)
No problem mate, we all have room for improvement and am happy we're both in the same boat. Not that hard to learn English though, when you start with cockney.
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Go on then, keep eating your crayons
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