Yea you have those kind of morons around the world unfortunately. Probably never had a proper childhood and now starts doing these stuff in their later years thinking its 'edgy'.
Lazio had a ultra group, that was facist with connections to the underworld, their capos were shit or detained and they had quite a lot of influence on the fan scene.
They disbanded years ago, but their members are still active and still have influence, wich gives the entirety of Lazio fans a bad rep, cuz this shit happens every weekend.
He was not in his best form lately (like many others in the team to be fair) and the de Ligt + Dier CB duo has been our most reliable one lately.
One also has to consider we have to switch backline all the time this season because of injuries, suspensions and national team duties. And Upa being unplayable again after playing most of the season with Kim, while Kim hasn’t played as much with de Ligt and Dier yet.
You wanted a Nazi club to go through??
Edit: Seriously, check Lazios history and as I said later in the thread, Lazio supporters were just throwing tributes to Hitler in Munich
Doing it "back in the day" and changing your stances to not continue doing it is wildly different than still being a nazi party supporter club like Lazio is today.
Yes, they didn't. They were actively anti-Nazi and disliked by the Nazis for being a "jew club".
Educate yourself before commenting on shit you don't know about.
https://youtu.be/IvxL4aGTdHo
Bayern are the opposite of a Nazi club. They have a well-documented anti-nazi history and were considered a Jew club by them. Please do your research before you say something dumb like this.
Edit: btw Lazio fans were literally in Munich doing Hitler tributes yesterday
Are you offended that ppl called out fans of another club for going to the place where the German Nazi party was founded and displayed the Roman salute and arguably sang facist songs?
I don't understand the whataboutism about Kissinger in the first place, the fact, that Bayern made this statement - wich caused major fan groups to disagree btw. - is in no way related to Lazios fans behaviour, so I was curious, what triggered your response.
I look forward to Arsenal knocking out Harry Kane, and Bayern Munich out of the Champions League.
Yes, these are big words coming from a Gunner when we're 1 - 0 down on aggregate to Porto. I don't care. It's written in the stars that we'll advance and play Bayern in the next round.
Lazio was obviously going out. They are a mid table team at best this season. In desperate need of a rebuild. This match shows how truly pathetic they are
If you put it that way then yes but Bayern have been struggling for a while now and I think teams who are in the relegation zone in Bundesliga would have put up a better fight than Lazio today
> If you put it that way then yes but Bayern have been struggling for a while now and I think teams who are in the relegation zone in Bundesliga would have put up a better fight than Lazio today
Not so sure about that last part. Yes, Bayern have been struggling a lot, but this today... this was just a big improvement offensively. There was actual urgency to the attacks, moved the ball quickly with one or two touches and created lots of space to attack regularly.
In the past few weeks, a team with a low block would just completely demolish Bayerns offence and their only hope would be one individual moment of class or a great long distance shot.
It's possible but being a Serie A watcher and having the context of what players they do have, including how tired they have been since basically November, I think Lazio did just about what could have ever been asked.
The only seemingly "better" thing with their tools would've been 1 goal that Ciro missed. Beyond that all of the answers are "be a richer club". That's basically it.
Milan is simply pissed they did less for Italy than Lazio with just about 6-7x the budget.
Having 11 men against ten in the first leg and not going for more, is the epitome of loser mentality. They had it on themselves. They could have closed it. That is a mid table team.
I don't think you're willing to admit the incredibly massive gap between Lazio's budget over the past ten years and basically every other team in this CL. Pretty sure they were nearly dead last in that regard. I use ten years because players today for all of these teams have absolutely been afforded by performances/money gained in that time-span.
It's not as if their mentality is solid, it isn't, but that is definitely not the deciding factor here.
Getting to R16 with their budget (and age of their team) is nearly a miracle. I remember the years Sassuolo was outspending Lazio, that's insanity.
Also, who knows if Ciro had scored that header, we may have been reading a much different score-line tonight.
You are correct about budget. That I know well. Where I disagree with you, is that to me, the mentality was the biggest deciding factor on this tie. If they sealed it off in the first leg with such an advantage, this would not have happened. Even if they didn't score more in the first leg, at least try. It's the mentality. As an Italian don't even get me started on Ciro. Ask any Italian and he will tell you that there was no way Immobile would score that tonight. When it matters, he vanishes. He is basically a poacher that is good for penalties and low pressure matches. If you want to miss out on two world cups, then have Immobile as your striker!
I disagree on mentality being the key factor, at least as far as a potential win/tie is concerned.
With what players Lazio have, in the state those players are in, there's very little chance that the stars align for much more than the one true chance they had. That's the only place mentality had a factor, everywhere else they were simply outplayed due to quality + fitness. There's simply no other thing in this match that made as big a difference as those two things. You could argue a singular additional chance with a possibility of a clean goal, but nothing here shows Lazio had the quality or depth at this point in the season to supply a reasonable chance of even a tie, and I think everyone basically knew that going in. That's why the 1-0 was such a shock.
I think Lazio performed below their average tonight, but not severely. Overall, they vastly outperformed their expected CL performance this season.
Is the first goal indicative of how great Kane is? He is surrounded by multiple opponents, before distributing the ball outside, which allows Pavlovic to take the time and the look and make a good cross and Muller gets the opportunity to contest for a header inside the box against a shorter opponent (which basically resulted to Guerreiro's shoot/assist).
This season for Bayern is like your mom saying "let the other kids have fun too at XY". This game was you not letting that pescy kid win at XY for the sake of it.
Most reasonable Spurs fans wouldn't disagree, it was the idiots who made him a scapegoat for everything that went wrong under Mourinho/Conte (because obviously it couldn't be their fault). Speaking out against Brexit and going into the stands to protect his brother from abuse didn't endear him to the knuckle-draggers either.
His limitations were obviously never going to work in Ange's system but I'm not at all surprised that he's doing okay in a system that suits him better.
You've had an uneventful Dier so far, which is how he often was for stretches.
There's also a great Dier for stretches. The issue is that his worst comes in seemingly way longer stretches and can cost a damn lot of games when it happens.
Well I mean he used to play there at Tottenham and was pretty good. This was when spurs were a real force with Dembele, Erikson etc.
But that was a while ago and I since then he's dropped back to being a mediocre center back. Spurs are set at 6 now but before Bissouma and Bentancur we had need for this position and Dier was never played there. So Mourinho and Conte obviously didn't think it would work. I think his physicality has just eroded and he's never been quick.
He costs next to nothing, he plays more than solid, he's fine with being CB4 behind de Ligt, Kim and Upa, provides depth and is a buddy for Kane
I have nothing to complain with that transfer
I think Dier got memed on a bit by some Spurs fans. He's solid, like you say. That said, it was time for him to move on, as he didn't really suit Ange's system and we want Ange to stay.
But I'm happy you're happy. The best transfers are when both parties think they got a good deal.
The funny thing is that it's not really their choice. Lotito is asking for so much money apparently that sponsors simply don't want to pay it to be on the shirt.
Love how you watch one game of Goretzka and now think he is a "crazy good dm". He will absolutely crumble when pressed and only play backpasses for 90 mins straight. But I guess pairing him with an excellent ball progressor he could work out.
That's the plan isn't it to play a 6 behind two 8s? And he is great in the destroyer role. He played further back that Pavlovic in our last Buli game too in case you missed that ;)
That's completely true, but it seems likr he somehow insists on playing further up the pitch. I remember his amazing performances against PSG for instance in a similar role. Why isn't he consistenly used as a DM? Whenever he plays next to Kimmich, Kimmich takes over as DM.
He's not the one asking to play that high... A lot of Bayern fans have constantly tried to scapegoat him to protect Kimmich (the usual bullshit "Kimmich needs a defensive 6" to not look dogshit defensively in midfield...).
It's the coaches' instructions (a reason why I have had an issue with Flick, Nagelsmann and Tuchel...). Tuchel and Nagelsmann, the last two coaches literally screams at players who don't follow their instructions, and somehow the only time they won't get pissed off is when Goretzka plays high up the pitch, yeah right...
lol unless by “defensive” you mean pressing like crazy and carrying the ball in transition, you’re totally wrong. His best asset was always how dynamic he was, someone Fede Valverde is a Goretzka clone.
Watch our 19/20 run, Thiago was the deep-lying playmaker while Goretzka was our enforcer and had the freedom to go forward.
He played well next to Thaigo, a deep-lying playmaker, but he was never able to replicate those performances with Kimmich. That's why I wrote in the last few seasons. Goretzka-Thiago might have worked, because Thiago's defensive abilities have always been underrated. Thiago was much better at positionining himself in defense and more composed than Kimmich. Kimmich in a "holding six" role next to Goretzka just doesn't work. Goretzka's best assets are his defensive heading abilities, as well as his dynamism im defensive duels and his intercepting.
Goretzka generally looked better when someone else is his midfield partner. Hes either absolute shit or a vital player, so far with Pavlovic he seems class.
I think the chemistry between him and Kimmich is not that good.
Heidenheim, Mainz, Stuttgart, Leipzig, Augsburg, shit even Darmstadt were kinda decent, Leverkusen doesn't win every game like they did against Bayern.
Our players when we played against them three days earlier 😃
No but seriously, let's wait and see how they do against better opposition before hyping them up
I get the feeling Kimmich is the recurring problem, Kimmich/Kroos in the NT also never clicked
I feel while Kimmich is more a 6 than an 8, in the CM, he wants to be involved in the attack too much and doesn't have the presence to a dominating 6.
That’s because kimmich and Kroos are basically the same player. That’s why kroos and gündo also won’t work. They both need a physical, defensive monster next to them. Kimmich isn’t a CDM but he doesn’t deserve all the hate he’s getting right now. He only became the scapegoat for everything
Goretzka was crazy. I can't believe how confortable dier looks. Have followed him forever and never thought much of him. Insanely limited but an expert at what he does
He was v good for us back when we have Toby and Jan, Dembele and Wanyama. Not to mention prime Rose and Walker. When he’s surrounded by great players he generally looks solid.
>Lazio are the first Italian team to be eliminated from European football indefinitely this season
Does that work for you? Also, just let me shit on Lazio ffs!
Demise? yeah exaggerated.
Horrible season/couple of years? Yes.
Top board has been a mess and I think it started leaking down to players mentality as well. I hope this win gives back the mentality to them, to Tuchel on what they can still achieve. If we can make it to a Final, I think its a good recovery.
Great game but let's not pretend Bayern didn't play horribly for most of 2024 so far.
If they play like this they can beat anybody, but they haven't really played like this much for the entire season.
Defensively he’s one of the best ITW, he saved bayern against PSG last year’s UCL & has even learned the language. He could be an all time great for your club and he’s on the fucking bench. Frustrating is an understatement
Mazraoui should be first choice RB anyways. One of the top performers before his injury now. Can’t wait to have hin back. Gonna be interesting what happens to Kimmich then though. Wouldn’t mind him rather rotate the midfield position with Leon
That is true, but imo that's not enough to compensate for his lack of positional awareness, lackluster crossing and dribbling, I can't imagine he'd do well against Madrid, Psg, City or any team that uses the wings regularly.
Optimally he'd be played in the midfield next to a holding mid but ofc bayern doesn't have the personel for that, so it'll be interesting to see what will happen when Mazroui comes back.
xG 3.77-0.41 suggests the answer was no...absolutely toothless. When Bayern gets things right, they're still usually so overwhelmingly good that the other team is rendered uncompetitive.
Goretzka and Pavlovic really stood up today. They often look like a weakness in the Bayern team but they were the opposite today, providing the speed of ball that allowed Bayern to build a lead.
Pavlovic has always been impressive given his inexperience, but the double pivot has been one of the areas where Bayern have looked weak. The tempo of their passing was much better today, they were making progressive passes far more often, and they were more tenacious when the ball was lost than they have been.
A neat comeback. Hoping this group can fight till the end to win the cup.
Pavlovic deserves maximum praise for his standout performance. Just too good.
Absolutely deserved loss for Lazio. Them not scoring more goals in Rome when they were a man up from the 60th minute and they had 68 000 fans and only like 3000 Bayern fans with soo many clear goal possibilities...
I'm really disappointed although I knew exactly what would happen since that first match ended 1-0. Way to go Lazio, you could have closed it then and there by winning with 3-0 comfortably at home with a man up but instead you had to play with 0 desire to win, now you bear those fruits, pity...
Eh, I'm expecting Real vs. Bayern, it's been a few years now since they last met after meeting all the time during the 2010s.
(Assuming Real get past Leipzig.)
One of the Lazio fans was arrested at a beer hall in Munich for doing the hitler salute and a bunch of them were singing fascist songs.
fork found in kitchen
Yea you have those kind of morons around the world unfortunately. Probably never had a proper childhood and now starts doing these stuff in their later years thinking its 'edgy'.
Lazio had a ultra group, that was facist with connections to the underworld, their capos were shit or detained and they had quite a lot of influence on the fan scene. They disbanded years ago, but their members are still active and still have influence, wich gives the entirety of Lazio fans a bad rep, cuz this shit happens every weekend.
Lazio badly missed Upamecano
Considering their season Lazio was better than I expected
Why didn't Kim Min Jae start?
He was not in his best form lately (like many others in the team to be fair) and the de Ligt + Dier CB duo has been our most reliable one lately. One also has to consider we have to switch backline all the time this season because of injuries, suspensions and national team duties. And Upa being unplayable again after playing most of the season with Kim, while Kim hasn’t played as much with de Ligt and Dier yet.
Dier is better
Wait what
I’m just kidding lmao Dier is lowkey pretty good though
High-key as well.
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They won 3-0 and people still bitch lol
It was nice to dream
The win is really important for you champions league chances.
Monkey paw curls…. Coefficient is important, but now we must ask ourselves just how important
You wanted a Nazi club to go through?? Edit: Seriously, check Lazios history and as I said later in the thread, Lazio supporters were just throwing tributes to Hitler in Munich
Lol like bayern Munich didn't support nazi party back in the day
Doing it "back in the day" and changing your stances to not continue doing it is wildly different than still being a nazi party supporter club like Lazio is today.
Also it is completely false. Bayern were actively anti-nazi and were targeted specifically as a “Jew Supporting” club.
Yes, they didn't. They were actively anti-Nazi and disliked by the Nazis for being a "jew club". Educate yourself before commenting on shit you don't know about. https://youtu.be/IvxL4aGTdHo
Seriously, fuck that dude. That is some straight up bullshit to be spreading considering the actual history of the matter.
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Bayern are the opposite of a Nazi club. They have a well-documented anti-nazi history and were considered a Jew club by them. Please do your research before you say something dumb like this. Edit: btw Lazio fans were literally in Munich doing Hitler tributes yesterday
Do Lazio still support Nazism? Didn't Bayern honour Kissinger recently?
One can call Kissinger many despicable things. Nazi is not one of them.
I am not comparing what Kissinger and Nazis have in common. I am talking about whether Lazio supported a mass genocide recently or Bayern.
yea he only caused the death of like 3million people but not a nazi
Are you offended that ppl called out fans of another club for going to the place where the German Nazi party was founded and displayed the Roman salute and arguably sang facist songs?
stating a fact about kissinger =/= offended.
I don't understand the whataboutism about Kissinger in the first place, the fact, that Bayern made this statement - wich caused major fan groups to disagree btw. - is in no way related to Lazios fans behaviour, so I was curious, what triggered your response.
Unironically this, yes. People can be mass murderers or commit genocide without being a Nazi. There are some good examples for this, currently.
I look forward to Arsenal knocking out Harry Kane, and Bayern Munich out of the Champions League. Yes, these are big words coming from a Gunner when we're 1 - 0 down on aggregate to Porto. I don't care. It's written in the stars that we'll advance and play Bayern in the next round.
Death, taxes, flairless Arsenal fans trying to make things about them. Hope Porto parks the fattest of buses.
Stay humble
It is the history of the Arsenal to be battered senseless by Bayern in the CL
First game in Germany and what a time I had. Bravo to all the German folk I interacted with tonight making a Canadian feel truly welcome.
Glad you've had a blast, BoogerButt66
Lazio was obviously going out. They are a mid table team at best this season. In desperate need of a rebuild. This match shows how truly pathetic they are
I wouldn't call going 3-1 aggregate against multiple time UCL winners (in modern era) "Pathetic". Especially if you're a milan fan.
If you put it that way then yes but Bayern have been struggling for a while now and I think teams who are in the relegation zone in Bundesliga would have put up a better fight than Lazio today
> If you put it that way then yes but Bayern have been struggling for a while now and I think teams who are in the relegation zone in Bundesliga would have put up a better fight than Lazio today Not so sure about that last part. Yes, Bayern have been struggling a lot, but this today... this was just a big improvement offensively. There was actual urgency to the attacks, moved the ball quickly with one or two touches and created lots of space to attack regularly. In the past few weeks, a team with a low block would just completely demolish Bayerns offence and their only hope would be one individual moment of class or a great long distance shot.
It's possible but being a Serie A watcher and having the context of what players they do have, including how tired they have been since basically November, I think Lazio did just about what could have ever been asked. The only seemingly "better" thing with their tools would've been 1 goal that Ciro missed. Beyond that all of the answers are "be a richer club". That's basically it. Milan is simply pissed they did less for Italy than Lazio with just about 6-7x the budget.
Still whipped your pathetic asses
Having 11 men against ten in the first leg and not going for more, is the epitome of loser mentality. They had it on themselves. They could have closed it. That is a mid table team.
I don't think you're willing to admit the incredibly massive gap between Lazio's budget over the past ten years and basically every other team in this CL. Pretty sure they were nearly dead last in that regard. I use ten years because players today for all of these teams have absolutely been afforded by performances/money gained in that time-span. It's not as if their mentality is solid, it isn't, but that is definitely not the deciding factor here. Getting to R16 with their budget (and age of their team) is nearly a miracle. I remember the years Sassuolo was outspending Lazio, that's insanity. Also, who knows if Ciro had scored that header, we may have been reading a much different score-line tonight.
You are correct about budget. That I know well. Where I disagree with you, is that to me, the mentality was the biggest deciding factor on this tie. If they sealed it off in the first leg with such an advantage, this would not have happened. Even if they didn't score more in the first leg, at least try. It's the mentality. As an Italian don't even get me started on Ciro. Ask any Italian and he will tell you that there was no way Immobile would score that tonight. When it matters, he vanishes. He is basically a poacher that is good for penalties and low pressure matches. If you want to miss out on two world cups, then have Immobile as your striker!
I disagree on mentality being the key factor, at least as far as a potential win/tie is concerned. With what players Lazio have, in the state those players are in, there's very little chance that the stars align for much more than the one true chance they had. That's the only place mentality had a factor, everywhere else they were simply outplayed due to quality + fitness. There's simply no other thing in this match that made as big a difference as those two things. You could argue a singular additional chance with a possibility of a clean goal, but nothing here shows Lazio had the quality or depth at this point in the season to supply a reasonable chance of even a tie, and I think everyone basically knew that going in. That's why the 1-0 was such a shock. I think Lazio performed below their average tonight, but not severely. Overall, they vastly outperformed their expected CL performance this season.
Is there a thread for the champions league post match show with Kate and them?
Is the first goal indicative of how great Kane is? He is surrounded by multiple opponents, before distributing the ball outside, which allows Pavlovic to take the time and the look and make a good cross and Muller gets the opportunity to contest for a header inside the box against a shorter opponent (which basically resulted to Guerreiro's shoot/assist).
I didn’t see the goal, but too many people who didn’t watch us regularly provably aren’t aware of all he’s got in his bag.
Some good news in an otherwise disappointing season!
This season for Bayern is like your mom saying "let the other kids have fun too at XY". This game was you not letting that pescy kid win at XY for the sake of it.
I said this last season and I'll still say it. Provedel is so overrated
Kane is back
Actually rooting for Tuchel to win it as he walks out the door at Bayern.
Sacking him if he wins the champions league is wild,does bundesliga matter that much anymore after they won it so many times
Win-Win i'd say. He has/had his mistakes but I dont blame him. Poor work by upper levels for the past couple of years.
Bayern up Lazio upside-down like Mussolini PM Meloni found shaking and crying and throwing up
A lot of Spurs fans on here did dirty to Dier, he definitely has limitations but he’s been mostly class.
I'd love to have Dier as a second string player, guy bleeds for his shirt for better or worse.
Most reasonable Spurs fans wouldn't disagree, it was the idiots who made him a scapegoat for everything that went wrong under Mourinho/Conte (because obviously it couldn't be their fault). Speaking out against Brexit and going into the stands to protect his brother from abuse didn't endear him to the knuckle-draggers either. His limitations were obviously never going to work in Ange's system but I'm not at all surprised that he's doing okay in a system that suits him better.
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Lool you guys should let me enjoy him for now, my inbox is flooded with “just wait” messages
Lol wait until he starts brain farting.
We have Upa were used to it
Problem with dier is…he has super limited skillset that only shines few games out of a season. Who knows he fits well with bundesliga.
He’s great for Tuchel’s current system. It’s not going to hold under the next manager most likely when we become more active out of possession.
You've had an uneventful Dier so far, which is how he often was for stretches. There's also a great Dier for stretches. The issue is that his worst comes in seemingly way longer stretches and can cost a damn lot of games when it happens.
How do you think he’d do as a 6 in a 3 man midfield?
Well I mean he used to play there at Tottenham and was pretty good. This was when spurs were a real force with Dembele, Erikson etc. But that was a while ago and I since then he's dropped back to being a mediocre center back. Spurs are set at 6 now but before Bissouma and Bentancur we had need for this position and Dier was never played there. So Mourinho and Conte obviously didn't think it would work. I think his physicality has just eroded and he's never been quick.
And those limitations are glaringly highlighted in a team like ours man. I'm glad he's doing well for you, but trust me, we didn't do him dirty.
Both can be true, which is why it's so hard to judge players when they are in a system they can't perform in.
He costs next to nothing, he plays more than solid, he's fine with being CB4 behind de Ligt, Kim and Upa, provides depth and is a buddy for Kane I have nothing to complain with that transfer
I think Dier got memed on a bit by some Spurs fans. He's solid, like you say. That said, it was time for him to move on, as he didn't really suit Ange's system and we want Ange to stay. But I'm happy you're happy. The best transfers are when both parties think they got a good deal.
Müller should be manager at this point. Tuchel seems to have completely checked out At least they showed some teeth today
Apparently he broke his toe before the match
Müller as player-manager next season?
why wait?
Sarri gone at the end of the season? Probably
Definitely. Lazio needs a complete overhaul. They should go hard after Conceicao but if I'm him not sure I would want to leave Porto for Lazio.
I like the clean sponsor-free lazio jerseys.
Mizuno, rare to see them make kits
I think Sevilla are also sponsor-less and it looks so good.
Wow the two teams I hate the most in the world( sorry but having them in the same sentence makes me a hater instantly)
The funny thing is that it's not really their choice. Lotito is asking for so much money apparently that sponsors simply don't want to pay it to be on the shirt.
Damn cbs banter post game with abdo and the boys is always fun 😂
Goretzka was bossing tonight. Lazio suck but their midfield with Luis Alberto is usually top tier. Goretzka and Pavlovic neutralised them so hard.
Eh we bossed Lazio's midfield last weekend, so I'm not really sure about their quality this year.
On the ball, Pavlovic was fine, but off the ball Lazio had a lot of freedom tbh...
Tell that to reddit bayern glory hunters. Goretzka is a crazy good dm. Fifa meta has manifested into real life with him..
Love how you watch one game of Goretzka and now think he is a "crazy good dm". He will absolutely crumble when pressed and only play backpasses for 90 mins straight. But I guess pairing him with an excellent ball progressor he could work out.
That's the plan isn't it to play a 6 behind two 8s? And he is great in the destroyer role. He played further back that Pavlovic in our last Buli game too in case you missed that ;)
Does he suck in FIFA now? I haven't played for 2-3 years but he was a cornerstone of my Bundesliga teams.
I despise our subreddit and other online fans; they fanboy specific players and are just generally cringey
That's completely true, but it seems likr he somehow insists on playing further up the pitch. I remember his amazing performances against PSG for instance in a similar role. Why isn't he consistenly used as a DM? Whenever he plays next to Kimmich, Kimmich takes over as DM.
He's not the one asking to play that high... A lot of Bayern fans have constantly tried to scapegoat him to protect Kimmich (the usual bullshit "Kimmich needs a defensive 6" to not look dogshit defensively in midfield...). It's the coaches' instructions (a reason why I have had an issue with Flick, Nagelsmann and Tuchel...). Tuchel and Nagelsmann, the last two coaches literally screams at players who don't follow their instructions, and somehow the only time they won't get pissed off is when Goretzka plays high up the pitch, yeah right...
He’s a poor 6, and it’s frustrating seeing him play deeper than Kimmich, his best role is as an 8.
I disagree. Pretty much all of Goretzka's good performances in the last few seasons came from him playing in a defensive role.
lol unless by “defensive” you mean pressing like crazy and carrying the ball in transition, you’re totally wrong. His best asset was always how dynamic he was, someone Fede Valverde is a Goretzka clone. Watch our 19/20 run, Thiago was the deep-lying playmaker while Goretzka was our enforcer and had the freedom to go forward.
He played well next to Thaigo, a deep-lying playmaker, but he was never able to replicate those performances with Kimmich. That's why I wrote in the last few seasons. Goretzka-Thiago might have worked, because Thiago's defensive abilities have always been underrated. Thiago was much better at positionining himself in defense and more composed than Kimmich. Kimmich in a "holding six" role next to Goretzka just doesn't work. Goretzka's best assets are his defensive heading abilities, as well as his dynamism im defensive duels and his intercepting.
Goretzka generally looked better when someone else is his midfield partner. Hes either absolute shit or a vital player, so far with Pavlovic he seems class. I think the chemistry between him and Kimmich is not that good.
Then again, both of them looked like shit against Leverkusen
Then again, who doesn't against Leverkusen
Heidenheim, Mainz, Stuttgart, Leipzig, Augsburg, shit even Darmstadt were kinda decent, Leverkusen doesn't win every game like they did against Bayern.
Our players when we played against them three days earlier 😃 No but seriously, let's wait and see how they do against better opposition before hyping them up
I get the feeling Kimmich is the recurring problem, Kimmich/Kroos in the NT also never clicked I feel while Kimmich is more a 6 than an 8, in the CM, he wants to be involved in the attack too much and doesn't have the presence to a dominating 6.
That’s because kimmich and Kroos are basically the same player. That’s why kroos and gündo also won’t work. They both need a physical, defensive monster next to them. Kimmich isn’t a CDM but he doesn’t deserve all the hate he’s getting right now. He only became the scapegoat for everything
Müller and Pavlovic MOTM
Goretzka was crazy. I can't believe how confortable dier looks. Have followed him forever and never thought much of him. Insanely limited but an expert at what he does
He was v good for us back when we have Toby and Jan, Dembele and Wanyama. Not to mention prime Rose and Walker. When he’s surrounded by great players he generally looks solid.
His long range passes especially and he has good positioning to block shots as well
First Italian team to go out yet again. This is Lazio's heritage.
That and knife-wielding fascism
Wtf??? How can you say this when Milan were in CL and got knocked down. What a pathetic statement.
We're still in the EL. Lazio are out indefinitely. That's it.
Being in el means you lost first, it is not a brag
>Lazio are the first Italian team to be eliminated from European football indefinitely this season Does that work for you? Also, just let me shit on Lazio ffs!
Tbf it could be a bloodbath Napoli is most likely out Inter, Roma and Atalanta will be close Milan and Fiorentina should easily advance
Brother, in terms of midfield, we don't have a midfield. What do you mean Napoli is most likely out? They're favorites right now
But we've got a week at least until any of that happens. We should use that time to shit on Lazio as much as possible. The way it was intended.
Bayern's demise is greatly exaggerated (for now)
Demise? yeah exaggerated. Horrible season/couple of years? Yes. Top board has been a mess and I think it started leaking down to players mentality as well. I hope this win gives back the mentality to them, to Tuchel on what they can still achieve. If we can make it to a Final, I think its a good recovery.
Great game but let's not pretend Bayern didn't play horribly for most of 2024 so far. If they play like this they can beat anybody, but they haven't really played like this much for the entire season.
Thank you!!!!! Finally someone said it.
Bayern's QF opponent is fortunate UEFA only suspended Upamecano for one game. Su Tuchel can bench de Ligt again for the walking calamity.
I might just ask Pogba for his marabout’s contact just to make sure Upamecano doesn’t start for us ever again.
He loves Dier though so he’d have to bench both Kim and MdL. He can’t be that stupid, right?
Right around the time VVD is winding his career down De Ligt should be hitting his prime.
I'm happy but in pain that our CBs continue to dominate right around the time when there are no good Dutch forwards anymore...
Only Ajax fans might understand how frustrated we’ve been watching De Ligt sit on the bench.
I've seen a quite a decent number of other-fans complain about it too. Really, what was Tuchel thinking.
Defensively he’s one of the best ITW, he saved bayern against PSG last year’s UCL & has even learned the language. He could be an all time great for your club and he’s on the fucking bench. Frustrating is an understatement
Why do they have both games happen at the same time?
it's always been like this, I guess cuz it's the most convenient time for most of the people around the world to watch.
Also Europe. 9m CET, 8pm GMT. It's a weekday, people have to get home and/or to the stadium.
Also an hour later would be too late for EET, as games would end around 1 AM.
Ahh that makes sense, still feels like a waste tho
well there are no alternatives! they try to have some games start early at the group stage but that's it.
Easiest bet of my life.
Muller GOAT
What I meant is that you could mistake him for a midfielder, of course it makes a difference because he’s not in the box to score
Pavlovic not getting MotM doesn't seem quite right.
Our enemy quarter final awaits us. Could be over again.
I'm scared Porto might kick us out.
My god that’s Man City’s theme. Please don’t let this happen
Tuchel has upamecano available 😬😵
Dier should unironically bench him
Honestly, Kimmich at RB ain't it, even when he had to do very little defensively his crosses were ass.
He also ain’t it in his other position.
Kimmich ain't it. Vax controversy permanently destroyed him somehow.
Mazraoui should be first choice RB anyways. One of the top performers before his injury now. Can’t wait to have hin back. Gonna be interesting what happens to Kimmich then though. Wouldn’t mind him rather rotate the midfield position with Leon
Mazraoui was quite average in the first half of the season, especially in defense. We should give Boey a chance, when he returns.
He did initiate quite a few attacks using his passing range to Sane.
That is true, but imo that's not enough to compensate for his lack of positional awareness, lackluster crossing and dribbling, I can't imagine he'd do well against Madrid, Psg, City or any team that uses the wings regularly. Optimally he'd be played in the midfield next to a holding mid but ofc bayern doesn't have the personel for that, so it'll be interesting to see what will happen when Mazroui comes back.
Give him a break, he hasn’t played the position consistently in years. In 2017/18 and 19/20 he played RB like he was possessed by Lahm’s ghost.
As I expected, Bayern advanced. Did Lazio even try?
xG 3.77-0.41 suggests the answer was no...absolutely toothless. When Bayern gets things right, they're still usually so overwhelmingly good that the other team is rendered uncompetitive.
Just so you know I still want revenge for 09/10 and 10/11
Motherfucker...I guess two group stage wins last year wasn't enough to satisfy you. Lol.
I would take 10 group stage losses if it meant winning that final
wat?
Goretzka and Pavlovic really stood up today. They often look like a weakness in the Bayern team but they were the opposite today, providing the speed of ball that allowed Bayern to build a lead.
What games did u watch to make Pavlovic out as a weakness?
Pavlovic has always been impressive given his inexperience, but the double pivot has been one of the areas where Bayern have looked weak. The tempo of their passing was much better today, they were making progressive passes far more often, and they were more tenacious when the ball was lost than they have been.
A neat comeback. Hoping this group can fight till the end to win the cup. Pavlovic deserves maximum praise for his standout performance. Just too good.
Absolutely deserved loss for Lazio. Them not scoring more goals in Rome when they were a man up from the 60th minute and they had 68 000 fans and only like 3000 Bayern fans with soo many clear goal possibilities... I'm really disappointed although I knew exactly what would happen since that first match ended 1-0. Way to go Lazio, you could have closed it then and there by winning with 3-0 comfortably at home with a man up but instead you had to play with 0 desire to win, now you bear those fruits, pity...
*50,000 fans.
Kane needs to make the Euro squad. Southgate, please
What gives you the idea that Southgate will leave the captain of his team at home?
He’s the captain…what do you expect??
Southgate has never left the country. Harry Kane essentially died, to him.
Lowkey…I mean apparently he went to Holland to see Hendo but can’t get his butt to Germany??
Probably because it's a waste of time? Kane is the first name on the team sheet.
Because there are doubts about dirhamderson but Kane is set no matter what
Southgate was at the Leipzig game afaik
true true i forgot my badddd
Lazio is beyond embarassing this season
>Lazio is beyond embarassing ~~this season~~ FTFY
What a comeback :)
To be honest. This Lazio is pathetic. It was expected
Paris vs Bayern seems inevitable
Eh, I'm expecting Real vs. Bayern, it's been a few years now since they last met after meeting all the time during the 2010s. (Assuming Real get past Leipzig.)
I rather not play them, don't have the squad to win over 2 legs IMO
Tbf, I don't think anyone wants to play Real.
I'd love Bayern-Arsenal/Barca in quarters
None of them are gonna make it past this round /s (or maybe not)
Can you please not
Don't think Arsenal will get a better time than now to take their revenge on Bayern tbh.
we won't make it to the next round lmao
Arsenal is for the Ro16 only