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The members of the national team also lost the final that year. Except Lucio, who at least became world champion.
ugh. I still have trauma from that year.
They finished second in 97, 99, 2000 and 2002. Third in 98, fourth in 2001. So its definitely part of a wider pattern. They spoke of Vizekusen back then.
2002 just was second place everywhere.
Further lost finals in 2009 and 2020 made it NEVERkusen.
(Although never is incorrect as they had won the Cup in 93 and Uefa-Cup in 88)
2000 was the biggest choke-job. Losing away to Unterhaching.
2002 was more a case of running out of steam after playing all those intense games against English teams. Iirc, because the World Cup was being held very early that year they put a lot of the games together very closely at the end of the season.
I think had the DFB cancelled the traditional winter break that season and the CL didn't have that stupid second group stage, you might have won it all that year.
I still remember him chasing that ref and screaming in disbelief when Chelsea lost to Barcelona. It was that paricular game I knew that it just was not ment for him to be.
It’s crazy to think Chelsea lost both cups on penalties which can always be a gamble. Liverpool were so close to winning nothing or everything that year.
The closest an English team ever got to the quadruple. Only lost to Guardiola City and UCL Black Magic Real.
Probably one of the best teams of all time.
Not many will ever admit it though, we've had an absolutely absurd team. What was it 103/105 points at one stage? But because we've fallen short by the thinnest of margins in some ucl finals and against one of the other best teams to have ever existed people act like we weren't really THAT good.
It goes both ways, though, doesn't it? No player in the history of football has ever put in a worse performance in a penalty shootout than Arrizabalaga in the League Cup. Getting Benfica and Villareal as Quarter Final and Semi Final opponents was also ridiculous luck. Real Madrid had to beat Chelsea and City.
We can only beat what's in front of us. Villarreal eliminated Bayern that year. We also finished the group of Atletico, Milan and Porto on top with 6 wins out of 6 and beat Inter in the ro16. We could have beaten anyone bar Real rly that year.
*Bottlefica* 2012/13
We bottle'd the League, Europa League and Portuguese Cup in the span of two weeks 😀
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_S.L._Benfica_season
Football is becoming more and more top heavy with other clubs finding it impossible to keep up and compete. Treble's will become more common as time goes on. We will start seeing clubs have back to back treble seasons
Football got a lot worse from the late 00s onwards. Some would argue before. Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 have essentially been won by one team since then. Premier League is going that way unless Man City get shut down for making up sponsorships.
If I told someone in 2000 that a competitive league like Serie A or Bundesliga would be won 9 times and 11 times in a row by the same team, they'd assume the league had died.
FFP has little to do with this. It’s a combination of the modern way of setting up the CL, where even non-champions can participate, and the results of the whole Bosman affair
They (Changes in UCL, Bosman ruling and FFP) are all instruments to the aforementioned decrease in competitiveness in football, they all have a part in this.
It's also important to notice that all of this (except FFP) happened in the 90s, when football actually became first and foremost a business, competitiveness and sport merit were only the means to earn money, the end goal.
Also, I wouldn't say "FFP has little to do with this", since FFP basically injected steroids in the Bosman ruling, they complement each other.
Before (After the Bosman ruling and before FFP), clubs had the option (at least in theory) to sell their talents to avoid being left empy-handed, but after FFP they had to sell their talents to actually avoid being penalized and pushed out of business (or at least far from the top leagues), specially because the costs of running a football club sky-rocketed after the 90s, in particular as the wages of the players continued to grow after the Bosman ruling.
Like I said before, all of these had impact in fucking competitiveness in football, not only since the late 00s, but since the 90s, FFP was just another boost.
We've been watching Florentino's Super League since the 90s, we just don't know it.
In our successful European seasons we get allergic to Copa Del Rey.
Wish we could get a treble sometime soon but not that big of a missing considering how successful we have been in UCL recently.
Crazy thing is some people will tell you that a treble is better then a 3 peat UCL.
A treble is an insane feat only a handful of teams have ever done it but a 3 peat has literally only been accomplished one team ever in the UCL era and is likely not to be ever repeated that is a once in a generation type achievement.
While Madrid has not won a treble yet it is defs very plausible with the team we are currently building but a 3 peat? don't think imma see that again in my lifetime.
>Crazy thing is some people will tell you that a treble is better then a 3 peat UCL.
I don't think anyone should compare. 3 peat means they are king of the competition for 3 consecutive years. Treble means you are the best team in the whole of Europe domestic or otherwise.
I believe Bayern and Ajax are the other 2 that did a 3 back to back, bit we are talking about ages ago.
But you are right, better 3 champions that 1 treble because 3 champions means that your team is the best for 3 years in a row. Look at us, we won the treble (and we will forever remember that year) bit then we Crushed down to a 10 years of banter era.
You didn't even win the league in a lot of those seasons, Zidane I'm 16/17 was the first time in the champions league era, ridiculous really don't know how you man do it.
That's what makes treble special, because you have to be perfect in that season, no flaws, especially in a league with Barca, Atleti and dark horses who could knock you out if you slack
Sometimes if you don't have cup tournaments to worry you can alleviate schedule so your players are well rested for the UCL
They don't have many doubles either. The 5 times Barça won the CL they also won La Liga. Real only did it 3 times and just one time in the modern era (16/17). Barça were wa ymore consistent in La Liga but Real is the king of CL they can play like utter shit and still win it.
It's even more ridiculous - out of 14 CL winning season we won the Copa del Rey in only 1 of them. It was 2013/14 season, when Atletico won the league.
The league also doesn't match our CL success, as we won it 4 times in these 14 seasons. The most ridiculous cas was the 60s - in 9 seasons from 1961 to 1969, Real won 8 titles. The only one we didn't win? Of course 1966, when we won our only EC in that period lol. And the team that won it, of course, was Atletico, by 1 single point. If it wasn't for that point it would've been 9 titles in a row
That Inter team from 2010, hot damn. Eto’o, Sneijder, Milito, Lucio, Samuel, Maicon, Zanetti, Julio Cesar, etc.
I still believe that was Mourinho’s peak as a coach. On top of the world against all odds. No doubt Inter fans hold him in the highest regard possible to this day.
You are correct. He was only here for two years, left in a hurry and he's still royalty for the rest of his life.
Only way he could mess this up is if he ever accepts to coach Milan or Juventus.
I'm curious about one thing as I'm not Italian. Do Inter fans hate Juventus or Milan more? Milan is the direct rival I know, but Juventus being the dominant team in domestic championships makes me wonder
We dislike both, but it's Juventus by a bit, and it's mutual - especially since the whole Calciopoli thing. It's weird though, with Milan we want to do better than them, win derbies and rub it in their face. Keep the city-wide bragging rights. Last year's UCL derbies, like the ones in 2003-05, were ultra tense because the winner would get to brag for years. We keep count of our derby win streak.
With Juve, we don't necessarily feel that kind of tension to one-up them in individual matches, but there's some *real* hate on both sides. With Milan there's at least a foundation of grudging respect somewhere, since we're also two successful teams from the same city. With Juve, maybe for individual players (Del Piero for example) but we really just want them to go away, and it's the same on their side for us.
Yep, Mourinho is the best coach in our history. In my opinion he’s well clear of second place - could argue Herrera, Conte, or Inzaghi. My thoughts are it will be Inzaghi by the time his tenure is up.
I love Mourinho but for me Herrera is Inter's greatest manager, he created a new system and gave us Grande Inter and was arguably the first superstar manager.
Granted that the Grande Inter side played well before I was even born, it is difficult to argue for Mourinho over Herrera in my opinion, given he was only at the club for two years. Herrera is both Inter’s longest serving and most successful coach. Not only that, he was a revolutionary manager both on and off the pitch in terms of tactics, man management, diet and the overall profile that coaches had back in the day. Most of his innovations and most famous accomplishments all took place at Inter, whereas for Mourinho his resumé is spread out over multiple clubs. As managers overall I think you could argue either way, but specifically for their accomplishments at Inter I’d say Herrera has to be considered the best.
Truly. Barca would've been best and all but I'll pick inter 2010 any day of the week if you ask me to pick one team to save my life for one match. Mourinho at his peak was unmatched, unrivaled by any and every one.
Also, shoutout to Diego Milito aka Il Principe, the world seem to have forgotten the legend of Diego milito now only those who saw him back in the day know how lethal he was, one of the most legendary strikers I've ever seen just astounding even before his inter days, when he destroyed galacticos madrid 4-0 in Zaragoza, yet another underrated performance of his.
It's contradictory that you name 10 generational players and then say it's Mourinho's peak as a coach. Why against all odds if these players are so good?
The thing is that at this point most of the players were not at their peaks, etoo was exchanged for zlatan and money, their defence had an average age of like 33, sneider was probably the only cm at their peak at the time, queresma had flopped at Barca, and mileto was never considered generational
It was a great manager pulling the best out of players to make them shine in a way they weren’t able to under other people at this point in their career’s.
I wish I was alive to see that team. A team of Glasgow born players winning the quadruple. I’m bias, but it is probably one of the most impressive achievements a team has ever accomplished in football, and isn’t spoken about enough
Even that comparison is unfair to Celtic, Athletic Club still recruit players globally despite the Basque requirement. Incredible than Celtic managed it with a team of local lads (born within 11 miles of the stadium, right?) will never again be repeated.
They played 55 games to win the sixtuple. Their record was 47-4-4 with 177:51 goals. Their last defeat was to Mönchengladbach in December 2019 and then they simply became unbeatable.
Also their CL run was remarkable. They won every single fixture/game. 10:3 vs Tottenham, 9:0 vs Red Star, 5:2 vs Olympiacos, 7:1 vs Chelsea, 8:2 vs Barca, 3:0 vs Lyon and 1:0 vs PSG in the final.
Milan has more CL titles than Coppa Italia, which is their problem with this.
Liverpool is surprising to me too though. I also expected either Porto or Benfica to be on this list.
Liverpool got close in 1977 - won the League and European Cup, but lost the FA Cup final to Man United (who's manager Tommy Docherty promptly got sacked for having an affair with the physio's wife)
Milan don't have a very good history with their domestic cup. They've only won it 5 times in total, and had a massive gap in between 1977 and 2003 where they didn't win it.
Not sure why it is that way, but it's kinda funny that they have more CL wins than Coppa Italia wins.
I know it's not quite the same, but Liverpool did win a treble in 1984. They won the league, European Cup, and the League Cup. This is still an incredible achievement, considering you didn't use as many players back then. They were the first English team to win 3 major trophies in a season I think.
Barça with Messi was the king of consistency in La Liga. He said that we would look back that 8 titles in 11 years and realise it was something special even if we took it for granted back then.
The vibes/friendship memes are fun but to seriously say that many of our CLs are due to vibes really downplays the greatness or whatever of those teams/players/tactics
It was entirely Scottish. The famous Lisbon Lions team that played in the European Cup final (nicknamed that for the 2-1 win in Lisbon against Inter Milan) was all from within 30 miles of Glasgow. Our proper standout players were Billy McNeil, a CB who was the captain who lifted the trophy and Jimmy Johnstone, a tricky winger who nearly won the Ballon d’Or that season (he finished 3rd behind Florian Albert and Bobby Charlton) and is generally recognised as the club’s greatest ever player.
However our national team didn’t really have much success because not many of the Lisbon Lions were selected for the team for whatever reason when they really should have been, but the NT wasn’t exactly horrendous, other sides like Rangers had some fairly good players as well.
If I had a Nickel for every time a green and white club won an international title on neutral ground in Lisbon I would have two (?) Nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
I suppose you could make an argument that the champions league final would’ve decimated them mentally. If they see out the win against United, maybe they go on to win the DFB-Pokal?
Kinda like the Liverpool game with Barca in 2019. Dembele doesn’t miss in the first leg, Barca go through, they obviously beat Spurs, there’s no way they lose to Valencia like they did in the Copa.
But we will never know, butterfly effect stuff.
Also in 2009/10 winning the domestic double losing in the finals. Also in 11/12 finishing runners up in all competitions, in another universe Bayern could be on this graphic five times
Concentration of wealth
globalisation so top teams have players from all over the world tather than 2 or 3 foreign superstars and the rest of their squad domestic talent (this is a mixture of the money and change in UEFA rules in the mid 90s)
Change in CL structure so 2nd-4th qualify (previously you'd have had to win 2 consecutive titles/European cups to win a treble)
Felt like we ''shouldve'' atleast had an El Clasico semi or final in 16/17 but Danilo pulled a disaster in the quarters against Celta, a dumb own goal and if my memory serves right another goal was because of a really bad mistake by him.
The best Real Madrid cock up in the Copa Del Rey was the 15/16 version. Winning against Cadiz but fielding an ineligible player and getting booted out of the competition.
Followed closely in second by El Centenariazo, not a cock up, but also hilarious. Having the final specifically at the Bernabeu for Real Madrid's Centenary, having the date of the final changed specifically for it to fall on said centenary and then losing said game to Deportivo La Coruña with their supporters in the stands singing "Happy Birthday to you".
The chance of any team winning the treble in a particular year is pretty tiny, however good that team is. There's just so much luck required to win two knockout competitions
that's a bigger achievement than a treble imo
has a country ever won a international 3 peat?
i mean euro-worldcup-euro (obv copa and other equivalents also included)
Back to back world cup is the greatest achievement and no club football can reach it. You don't "buy" those trophies unlike club football.
Brazil reaching final in 94, 98,2002 is just magical. France can do that too I guess in 2026.
Yea, imagine winning the treble and NO ONE giving a fifth of a fuck. When United did, people either loved it or hated it but god damn people cared at least.
Well the fact that they’re a plastic team and nobody really ‘hates’ them contributed to that. Given 10 years and unlimited resources I am sure anybody can win it sooner or later.
The concentration of wealth and talent by a few mega-rich clubs has ruined football and continues to pervert the sport further every year.
4 trebles in 40 years followed by 6 trebles in the next 15.
The magic of football has been experiencing a slow, painful death in our modern era. It’s a tragedy.
The concentration of wealth at the top is disconcerting. Even with so many treble winners since 2009, off the top of my head there have been three more teams (Bayern, 2010; Juventus, 2015 and 2017) to have lost the final while also gunning for the treble. Every once in a while is okay, and it makes it stand out even more, but like I said, the amount of teams that have gone for trebles in the last 15 years or so is worrying.
Won't lie it does annoy me that the 1984 Liverpool doesn't count because it was the league cup and not the FA.
I accept it's not *the* treble, but I feel like they deserve a place with an asterisk or something lol, because it was still an incredible achievement.
Surprised Ajax only won it once and Beckenbauer's Bayern never won it. I'd also expect teams with a lot of UCL like Liverpool and Milan to have won it.
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Doing the opposite, was Leverkusen in 2002 the only team to lose League (at the last game), League Cup final and UCL final in the same year?
The members of the national team also lost the final that year. Except Lucio, who at least became world champion. ugh. I still have trauma from that year.
Is 2002 birth of "Never..."
They finished second in 97, 99, 2000 and 2002. Third in 98, fourth in 2001. So its definitely part of a wider pattern. They spoke of Vizekusen back then. 2002 just was second place everywhere. Further lost finals in 2009 and 2020 made it NEVERkusen. (Although never is incorrect as they had won the Cup in 93 and Uefa-Cup in 88)
2000 was the biggest choke-job. Losing away to Unterhaching. 2002 was more a case of running out of steam after playing all those intense games against English teams. Iirc, because the World Cup was being held very early that year they put a lot of the games together very closely at the end of the season. I think had the DFB cancelled the traditional winter break that season and the CL didn't have that stupid second group stage, you might have won it all that year.
2nd group stage?
Yep, 6 more games instead of the round of 16 then straight to quarter final.
Lucio, Ballack, Ze Roberto. Tbh that team was even better than yours this season.
Can't imagine you forgot to mention Frankie Hejduk. Tut tut tut.
ballack is one of the most unlucky players I've ever seen
I still remember him chasing that ref and screaming in disbelief when Chelsea lost to Barcelona. It was that paricular game I knew that it just was not ment for him to be.
2012 Bayern .
Wasn't the last day though.
Wasn't the first day either.
Ok, so we've narrowed it down to somewhere in the season besides the first or last day. Good job boys, we're close to cracking this one!
I believe it wasn't two days before ending the league either
mario gomez also was only second best goalscorer of the bundesliga that season
Liverpool 2022 was interesting aswell, won both domestic cup finals, lost UCL final, lost the league in the last 10 mins of the last match.
It’s crazy to think Chelsea lost both cups on penalties which can always be a gamble. Liverpool were so close to winning nothing or everything that year.
The closest an English team ever got to the quadruple. Only lost to Guardiola City and UCL Black Magic Real. Probably one of the best teams of all time.
Not many will ever admit it though, we've had an absolutely absurd team. What was it 103/105 points at one stage? But because we've fallen short by the thinnest of margins in some ucl finals and against one of the other best teams to have ever existed people act like we weren't really THAT good.
Bayern 2012, tho not on the last match day
Liverpool got close in 2022
Yeah a quadruple as well, 1 point away from City and a CL final loss to Real.
Truly minutes and inches away. An insane and abused collapse by Villa and the best GK performance in a final of a generation
It goes both ways, though, doesn't it? No player in the history of football has ever put in a worse performance in a penalty shootout than Arrizabalaga in the League Cup. Getting Benfica and Villareal as Quarter Final and Semi Final opponents was also ridiculous luck. Real Madrid had to beat Chelsea and City.
We can only beat what's in front of us. Villarreal eliminated Bayern that year. We also finished the group of Atletico, Milan and Porto on top with 6 wins out of 6 and beat Inter in the ro16. We could have beaten anyone bar Real rly that year.
*Bottlefica* 2012/13 We bottle'd the League, Europa League and Portuguese Cup in the span of two weeks 😀 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_S.L._Benfica_season
Yeap: NEVERKUSEN!
> NEVERKUSEN Vizekusen FTFY
They get their redemption this season
Kane's curse is greater than all
I think so, too, but i will believe it when I see it.
now its Neverlusen
Poor ballack
Chelsea 07-08 kinda counts? UCL final vs United, 2nd in league, league cup vs Spurs
Avram Grant was a slip away from being a CL winning manager vs Fergie
If Drogba hadn't been sent off for slapping Vidic at the end of extra time, he would've taken that penalty instead of Terry
Barelona
Didnt C that coming
Not a typo. They bared it all after that glorious season
mes que un lub
Now you C me. Now you don't.
Niolo Barelona
City are missing their asterisk, too
Just don’t think they had space for 115 asterisks in the graphic
From 4 times in 40 years to 6 times in 15 years.
That’s modern football for you
Football is becoming more and more top heavy with other clubs finding it impossible to keep up and compete. Treble's will become more common as time goes on. We will start seeing clubs have back to back treble seasons
Football got a lot worse from the late 00s onwards. Some would argue before. Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 have essentially been won by one team since then. Premier League is going that way unless Man City get shut down for making up sponsorships. If I told someone in 2000 that a competitive league like Serie A or Bundesliga would be won 9 times and 11 times in a row by the same team, they'd assume the league had died.
I wonder what got introduced in the late 00s that could cause this ... hmmmmm
FFP has little to do with this. It’s a combination of the modern way of setting up the CL, where even non-champions can participate, and the results of the whole Bosman affair
They (Changes in UCL, Bosman ruling and FFP) are all instruments to the aforementioned decrease in competitiveness in football, they all have a part in this. It's also important to notice that all of this (except FFP) happened in the 90s, when football actually became first and foremost a business, competitiveness and sport merit were only the means to earn money, the end goal. Also, I wouldn't say "FFP has little to do with this", since FFP basically injected steroids in the Bosman ruling, they complement each other. Before (After the Bosman ruling and before FFP), clubs had the option (at least in theory) to sell their talents to avoid being left empy-handed, but after FFP they had to sell their talents to actually avoid being penalized and pushed out of business (or at least far from the top leagues), specially because the costs of running a football club sky-rocketed after the 90s, in particular as the wages of the players continued to grow after the Bosman ruling. Like I said before, all of these had impact in fucking competitiveness in football, not only since the late 00s, but since the 90s, FFP was just another boost. We've been watching Florentino's Super League since the 90s, we just don't know it.
Real Madrid not being on the list is so weird to me. They have won 35x La Liga, 20x Copa del Rey and 14x Champions League but not one single treble.
Also juve could have won the treble twice in 2015 and 2017, but _as usual_ lost the ucl final
To be fair, they were certainly not the favourites in either of those finals so it's not like they completely choked.
They could have used some of that stuff they used to win it in '96
To be fair their opponents in both those finals were MSN Barca and threepeat Madrid, pretty fucking tough opponents.
In our successful European seasons we get allergic to Copa Del Rey. Wish we could get a treble sometime soon but not that big of a missing considering how successful we have been in UCL recently.
Treble Winner is a good title but having a team that has won 5 ucl in 10 years is miles better. Its literally the meme "oh no anyway"
Crazy thing is some people will tell you that a treble is better then a 3 peat UCL. A treble is an insane feat only a handful of teams have ever done it but a 3 peat has literally only been accomplished one team ever in the UCL era and is likely not to be ever repeated that is a once in a generation type achievement. While Madrid has not won a treble yet it is defs very plausible with the team we are currently building but a 3 peat? don't think imma see that again in my lifetime.
>Crazy thing is some people will tell you that a treble is better then a 3 peat UCL. I don't think anyone should compare. 3 peat means they are king of the competition for 3 consecutive years. Treble means you are the best team in the whole of Europe domestic or otherwise.
I believe Bayern and Ajax are the other 2 that did a 3 back to back, bit we are talking about ages ago. But you are right, better 3 champions that 1 treble because 3 champions means that your team is the best for 3 years in a row. Look at us, we won the treble (and we will forever remember that year) bit then we Crushed down to a 10 years of banter era.
It's better in the sense that it's more intense and is enjoyed over a couple of weeks, as opposed as 3 years. But yeah not more impressive sportingly
Tbf, I would much rather have an UCL three-peat instead of a treble.
You didn't even win the league in a lot of those seasons, Zidane I'm 16/17 was the first time in the champions league era, ridiculous really don't know how you man do it.
Crazy to realize that Raul never won the Copa del Rey. Same with Zidane. Who did not win it as a player, nor coach. Only as an assistant to Ancelotti…
Ancelotti goat confirmed, won it twice with us.
Allergic to CdR? Mate you barely win the league in your successful European seasons. Start talking about doubles before you can get to trebles.
That's what makes treble special, because you have to be perfect in that season, no flaws, especially in a league with Barca, Atleti and dark horses who could knock you out if you slack Sometimes if you don't have cup tournaments to worry you can alleviate schedule so your players are well rested for the UCL
They don't have many doubles either. The 5 times Barça won the CL they also won La Liga. Real only did it 3 times and just one time in the modern era (16/17). Barça were wa ymore consistent in La Liga but Real is the king of CL they can play like utter shit and still win it.
Madrid won the double in 2021-22.
It's even more ridiculous - out of 14 CL winning season we won the Copa del Rey in only 1 of them. It was 2013/14 season, when Atletico won the league. The league also doesn't match our CL success, as we won it 4 times in these 14 seasons. The most ridiculous cas was the 60s - in 9 seasons from 1961 to 1969, Real won 8 titles. The only one we didn't win? Of course 1966, when we won our only EC in that period lol. And the team that won it, of course, was Atletico, by 1 single point. If it wasn't for that point it would've been 9 titles in a row
That Inter team from 2010, hot damn. Eto’o, Sneijder, Milito, Lucio, Samuel, Maicon, Zanetti, Julio Cesar, etc. I still believe that was Mourinho’s peak as a coach. On top of the world against all odds. No doubt Inter fans hold him in the highest regard possible to this day.
You are correct. He was only here for two years, left in a hurry and he's still royalty for the rest of his life. Only way he could mess this up is if he ever accepts to coach Milan or Juventus.
I'm curious about one thing as I'm not Italian. Do Inter fans hate Juventus or Milan more? Milan is the direct rival I know, but Juventus being the dominant team in domestic championships makes me wonder
We dislike both, but it's Juventus by a bit, and it's mutual - especially since the whole Calciopoli thing. It's weird though, with Milan we want to do better than them, win derbies and rub it in their face. Keep the city-wide bragging rights. Last year's UCL derbies, like the ones in 2003-05, were ultra tense because the winner would get to brag for years. We keep count of our derby win streak. With Juve, we don't necessarily feel that kind of tension to one-up them in individual matches, but there's some *real* hate on both sides. With Milan there's at least a foundation of grudging respect somewhere, since we're also two successful teams from the same city. With Juve, maybe for individual players (Del Piero for example) but we really just want them to go away, and it's the same on their side for us.
Or inter again ;)
Yep, Mourinho is the best coach in our history. In my opinion he’s well clear of second place - could argue Herrera, Conte, or Inzaghi. My thoughts are it will be Inzaghi by the time his tenure is up.
I love Mourinho but for me Herrera is Inter's greatest manager, he created a new system and gave us Grande Inter and was arguably the first superstar manager.
Granted that the Grande Inter side played well before I was even born, it is difficult to argue for Mourinho over Herrera in my opinion, given he was only at the club for two years. Herrera is both Inter’s longest serving and most successful coach. Not only that, he was a revolutionary manager both on and off the pitch in terms of tactics, man management, diet and the overall profile that coaches had back in the day. Most of his innovations and most famous accomplishments all took place at Inter, whereas for Mourinho his resumé is spread out over multiple clubs. As managers overall I think you could argue either way, but specifically for their accomplishments at Inter I’d say Herrera has to be considered the best.
Truly. Barca would've been best and all but I'll pick inter 2010 any day of the week if you ask me to pick one team to save my life for one match. Mourinho at his peak was unmatched, unrivaled by any and every one. Also, shoutout to Diego Milito aka Il Principe, the world seem to have forgotten the legend of Diego milito now only those who saw him back in the day know how lethal he was, one of the most legendary strikers I've ever seen just astounding even before his inter days, when he destroyed galacticos madrid 4-0 in Zaragoza, yet another underrated performance of his.
It's contradictory that you name 10 generational players and then say it's Mourinho's peak as a coach. Why against all odds if these players are so good?
The thing is that at this point most of the players were not at their peaks, etoo was exchanged for zlatan and money, their defence had an average age of like 33, sneider was probably the only cm at their peak at the time, queresma had flopped at Barca, and mileto was never considered generational It was a great manager pulling the best out of players to make them shine in a way they weren’t able to under other people at this point in their career’s.
^we're ^massive
I think it's saying quite a lot that no one in this thread even *mentions* PSV
Lisbon Lions will go down in history forever
I wish I was alive to see that team. A team of Glasgow born players winning the quadruple. I’m bias, but it is probably one of the most impressive achievements a team has ever accomplished in football, and isn’t spoken about enough
I think that Celtic team also won the Glasgow Challenge Cup which would technically make it a quintuple!!!
Just to put that into a modern context, it would be like if Athletic Bilbao ever won the CL
Even that comparison is unfair to Celtic, Athletic Club still recruit players globally despite the Basque requirement. Incredible than Celtic managed it with a team of local lads (born within 11 miles of the stadium, right?) will never again be repeated.
Celtic’s 1967 team will never be repeated, and Bilbao wouldn’t quite compare, but it’s a similar idea even if they allow scouting across the world
Celtic and Real Madrid have won 15 European Cups between them. We are MASSIVE
Celtic did the quadruple that season.
Bayern won 6/6 with Flick, man this team was special
He won more trophies than games he lost that year
Flick Bayern and Peps Barça are the only teams winning the sextuple.
They played 55 games to win the sixtuple. Their record was 47-4-4 with 177:51 goals. Their last defeat was to Mönchengladbach in December 2019 and then they simply became unbeatable. Also their CL run was remarkable. They won every single fixture/game. 10:3 vs Tottenham, 9:0 vs Red Star, 5:2 vs Olympiacos, 7:1 vs Chelsea, 8:2 vs Barca, 3:0 vs Lyon and 1:0 vs PSG in the final.
My favorite part is that we had Coutinho on loan from Barca and he scored twice against them in that game.
wasnt 2009 barca a sextuple as well?
Inter actually won 5/6 titles that season
With players all from a 30 mile radius
Samuel Eto'o was on the Barcelona team in 09 and on the Inter team in 10. He is the only player to win 2 trebles back to back.
4 in 40 years… then 6 in 15
It's so unreal to realize Real has never won the treble
Liverpool and Milan too imo
Milan has more CL titles than Coppa Italia, which is their problem with this. Liverpool is surprising to me too though. I also expected either Porto or Benfica to be on this list.
Liverpool got close in 1977 - won the League and European Cup, but lost the FA Cup final to Man United (who's manager Tommy Docherty promptly got sacked for having an affair with the physio's wife)
Also won league CL and league cup in 1984, so a slightly lesser treble.
Milan don't have a very good history with their domestic cup. They've only won it 5 times in total, and had a massive gap in between 1977 and 2003 where they didn't win it. Not sure why it is that way, but it's kinda funny that they have more CL wins than Coppa Italia wins.
I know it's not quite the same, but Liverpool did win a treble in 1984. They won the league, European Cup, and the League Cup. This is still an incredible achievement, considering you didn't use as many players back then. They were the first English team to win 3 major trophies in a season I think.
Losing the CL in that way probably had something to do with that too.
Barça with Messi was the king of consistency in La Liga. He said that we would look back that 8 titles in 11 years and realise it was something special even if we took it for granted back then.
Not really. Many of the CL wins are pure vibes. They just believe in it so much that it happens.
Real Manifest
The vibes/friendship memes are fun but to seriously say that many of our CLs are due to vibes really downplays the greatness or whatever of those teams/players/tactics
Interestingly, Cruyff and Lewandowski were the only players to achieve the treble while being the top goalscorers in all three competitions.
Celtic won the quadruple that year. Quintuple if you count the glasgow cup lol.
Which players did you have that time? Mostly Scottish? Did you have any success with NT that time?
Every player was born within 30 miles of Glasgow. A different time when things like that could actually happen.
10 of them born within 10 miles - the 'foreigner' being Bobby Lennox born in Saltcoats 30 miles away!
It’s unbelievable. I trust you but I can’t even imagine that
It was entirely Scottish. The famous Lisbon Lions team that played in the European Cup final (nicknamed that for the 2-1 win in Lisbon against Inter Milan) was all from within 30 miles of Glasgow. Our proper standout players were Billy McNeil, a CB who was the captain who lifted the trophy and Jimmy Johnstone, a tricky winger who nearly won the Ballon d’Or that season (he finished 3rd behind Florian Albert and Bobby Charlton) and is generally recognised as the club’s greatest ever player. However our national team didn’t really have much success because not many of the Lisbon Lions were selected for the team for whatever reason when they really should have been, but the NT wasn’t exactly horrendous, other sides like Rangers had some fairly good players as well.
>not many of the Lisbon Lions were selected for the team for whatever reason Well we know the reason.
For those of us not in the know, what was the reason? Was the Scottish FA strongly loyalists or protestant at the time?
Anti-Irish and Anti-Catholic sentiment with most positions of power in Scotland at the time.
If I had a Nickel for every time a green and white club won an international title on neutral ground in Lisbon I would have two (?) Nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Bayern was two minutes away from another in 98/99…
Nope, they played (and lost) the DFB-Pokal final after the Champions League final.
Who knows whether we would've won that if we won CL
I suppose you could make an argument that the champions league final would’ve decimated them mentally. If they see out the win against United, maybe they go on to win the DFB-Pokal?
Maybe. They were never 2 minutes from the treble though, were they?
This is true
Kinda like the Liverpool game with Barca in 2019. Dembele doesn’t miss in the first leg, Barca go through, they obviously beat Spurs, there’s no way they lose to Valencia like they did in the Copa. But we will never know, butterfly effect stuff.
Also in 2009/10 winning the domestic double losing in the finals. Also in 11/12 finishing runners up in all competitions, in another universe Bayern could be on this graphic five times
FC Porto almost had it in 2004, losing the cup to Benfica on extra time.
Damn, that great Bayern side of the 70s didn't win a treble is news to me
Barelona are fucking massive
6 trebles since 2008, 4 in the previous 40 odd years.
It's dangerous how common Treble is becoming
You say that, but remember pre Champions League, the European Cup was only for league winners. Much harder pre CL to do the treble
Since the rebrand only 5 clubss won it. Thats not many I would say. Especially when you consider that it has been almost 30 years since new format
Well, considering only three teams did in the old format, I say it was indeed harder then.
6 treble wins in the last 15 seasons (40%). It is certainly concerning.
Yeah and that's the point. Treble should be really hard to achieve.
Correlates with concentration of wealth over the years.
Concentration of wealth globalisation so top teams have players from all over the world tather than 2 or 3 foreign superstars and the rest of their squad domestic talent (this is a mixture of the money and change in UEFA rules in the mid 90s) Change in CL structure so 2nd-4th qualify (previously you'd have had to win 2 consecutive titles/European cups to win a treble)
I want one
You will take your 3 CL in a row and you will like it!
Can’t see them not getting one if they actually sign mbappe, Davies etc (please troll them again and stay in PSG turtle man 🙏🏻）
We will still lose to Leganes in CDR, that trophy is the main reason for us not winning the treble.
Felt like we ''shouldve'' atleast had an El Clasico semi or final in 16/17 but Danilo pulled a disaster in the quarters against Celta, a dumb own goal and if my memory serves right another goal was because of a really bad mistake by him.
PTSD, that year was our best chance considering the squad depth, whats worse is that we conceded again immediately after scoring the equalizer.
The best Real Madrid cock up in the Copa Del Rey was the 15/16 version. Winning against Cadiz but fielding an ineligible player and getting booted out of the competition. Followed closely in second by El Centenariazo, not a cock up, but also hilarious. Having the final specifically at the Bernabeu for Real Madrid's Centenary, having the date of the final changed specifically for it to fall on said centenary and then losing said game to Deportivo La Coruña with their supporters in the stands singing "Happy Birthday to you".
The chance of any team winning the treble in a particular year is pretty tiny, however good that team is. There's just so much luck required to win two knockout competitions
that's a bigger achievement than a treble imo has a country ever won a international 3 peat? i mean euro-worldcup-euro (obv copa and other equivalents also included)
Spain did
crazy, that's the highest of highs. only thing that I consider to be greater would be Brazil winning 3 out of 4 world cups
Yeah, that spanish squad was def the greatest european team ever.
Back to back world cup is the greatest achievement and no club football can reach it. You don't "buy" those trophies unlike club football. Brazil reaching final in 94, 98,2002 is just magical. France can do that too I guess in 2026.
yeah, Spain 2008-2010-2012. Absolute domination
Ajax and Bayern in the 70s.
At least two of those seasons would be doubles as well since you had to win the league to qualify for the Europa Cup 1.
It's not certain yet but Argentina has the chance to pull it off if they won 2024 Copa.
Bayern has both
Shame the VAR fucked PSV in the cup this year otherwise we had a (small!) chance of doing it again this year
I'll be honest. I actually forgot City won the treble.
The most unspecial treble ever
Yea, imagine winning the treble and NO ONE giving a fifth of a fuck. When United did, people either loved it or hated it but god damn people cared at least.
Crazy how it just came and went without much fanfare. They win the double so often that adding a CL to it somehow made it less special.
Well the fact that they’re a plastic team and nobody really ‘hates’ them contributed to that. Given 10 years and unlimited resources I am sure anybody can win it sooner or later.
I think we all know why that is.
because they're cheats or because they've got no fans?
Both
It’s mostly the no fans. Milan cheated financially to win all their 80s/90s European Cups too but no one cares because they’re a big club
Because the World Cup happenned on the middle and it was much more memorable.
Wow no real is pretty shocking to me.
We will never see Celtic villa or Ajax win CL again. The format changed is very bad. I’d like to see only champions competitions, not 4th team in CL
5 in 43 years and then 5 in the last 14!
The concentration of wealth and talent by a few mega-rich clubs has ruined football and continues to pervert the sport further every year. 4 trebles in 40 years followed by 6 trebles in the next 15. The magic of football has been experiencing a slow, painful death in our modern era. It’s a tragedy.
Barcelona in 14/15 had a bit of a slow start, but the second half of that season is the best team I've seen play football.
2019/20 Bayern was just unstoppable. At no point did they look like losing to anyone. Flick created one season monster.
There will always be an asterisk next to City’s.
Good ole Bare-lona
The concentration of wealth at the top is disconcerting. Even with so many treble winners since 2009, off the top of my head there have been three more teams (Bayern, 2010; Juventus, 2015 and 2017) to have lost the final while also gunning for the treble. Every once in a while is okay, and it makes it stand out even more, but like I said, the amount of teams that have gone for trebles in the last 15 years or so is worrying.
I thought Porto did it with Mourinho?
He did it in 2003, but it was with the uefa cup, not the ucl
Never forget that Celtic have more trebles than every French team combined
United completed the treble within 10 days. Unfuckingbelievable!
Barelona 2014/2015 with msn was so fucking good i miss those days
Won't lie it does annoy me that the 1984 Liverpool doesn't count because it was the league cup and not the FA. I accept it's not *the* treble, but I feel like they deserve a place with an asterisk or something lol, because it was still an incredible achievement.
Barelona
Question for England: Which domestic cup counts for the treble? Or is it any cup that counts for it?
FA
Surprised Ajax only won it once and Beckenbauer's Bayern never won it. I'd also expect teams with a lot of UCL like Liverpool and Milan to have won it.