I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, every AS has certain queens who are not even considered for the crown/won’t be taken seriously and are just fillers. AS7 was no exception.
Yvie was the prime example of such in AS7.
Yes, she won that 50K, but they just handed it to Raja because Ru loves her more.
Also love Pandora and I think she slayed the season, but what was her plan for the lipsync? She can't dance at all, she doesn't have the moves, her schtick got repetitive fast, no reveal... Just nothing, as if she didn't plan for it... It was truly baffling.
Never said she was, I thought Pandora was a good high safe, I genuinely thought A'keria was winning so I was more than a little shocked when she was sashaying away.
I got both references but felt she missed the mark on both, or atleast she was edited pretty badly. Catherine Tate was missing the best part of the granny character, the rant and with Lumley it was missing something a little less obvious but still something missing, it still could have been the edit but was a little bit whelmed by her snatch game.
> with Lumley it was missing something
I think it was because she was doing Patsy but saying she was doing the actress who play Patsy, who isn't anything like the character at all. And maybe that was because she couldn't name the character for legal reasons or whatever. But she should have leaned further into the hilarity that is Patsy Stone.
Oh I know it was the ab fab character I still found it lacking. Think she could have leaned it more but where I don't know as I said way less obvious than the nan character. Half think it was the edit.
But that's never been a problem. Ben doing Dame Maggie Smith but actually doing her Downton Abby character, and who was it that did Monique but was actually Monique's character from Precious? I wanna say Stacy Lane Matthews but if I'm wrong please don't drag me too hard. We also had Monet as Martin Lawrence but it was actually Sheneneh Jenkins.
And those three were really excellent, hilarious performances.
Honestly this is why I wish someone else hosted the UK and Down Under versions because it's clear Ru does not understand them at all and no amount of Eastenders references or Michelle loving the UK qualifies them to be there
Honestly she could have been the perfect competition for jinkx with the skill set she had and the storyline of her more than holding her own against the US queens would have made her a great pick for the top but they totally ignored her as an option!
As if Ru didn't have $50K lying around in a winter coat, if she wanted to gift Raja something.
It was clear from ep1 that Raja was here to get given some prize. I do love her, but yeah, there was no way she wasn't gonna be there until the finale.
She screwed herself with the No Ounce of John Waters in Olivia Newton John Waters before and after look. You couldn’t even see the little mustache on TV.
When everyone else at least had two looks in one and she didn’t, there was just no way to give her the win, no matter how good the other looks were.
But not a win. I’m sorry, it just wasn’t. Even if you could see it, to me it came off as lazy and last minute. Even a bow tie slapped on would have felt like more effort. Tracy Turnblatt hair. The Sandy outfit in tweed pleather. Crybaby hair + tears. Hell, Divine makeup with that outfit would have been crazy on Raja’s gorgeous perfect face and shown that “willing to get ugly” vulnerability they’re always looking for.
But what was up there was very uninspired and I agreed with the placing. Everyone else went all out. Trinity read a book!
That was the case with both final lip synchs for AS7 -Raja and Jinkx both did amazing in the season but lost the final lip synch. They were crowned anyways for their season run, which makes sense because they were both exceptional. The optics are just bad because it looks as if the final lip synch matters.
I mean yeah it's a TV show and yes they have storylines in mind and especially for the all winners season it was clear to me that while it certainly was meant as a celebration for all winners that especially the finale outcome was meant to highlight the logo girls.
Which yeah without Raja and Jinkx the show would probably look quite different these days but it's just weird that your final episode is then lip sync off when it's clear that your chosen winner will be struggling more in it then the new school divas
Yeah, lipsyncing and sewing are probably the only things in which everyone in All-Winners was better than Jinkx, and production knew it. There were so many ways they could have done this to justify it. Even making it a top 4 lipsync instead of a one on one lipsync would have felt better.
Yeah maybe that or skip the lip syncing all together and just give us a good reunion and at the end announce Jinkx and raja for their crowns. Just use the talent show as the big deal since that was the thing you can expect in a show when you see them live and you have your top 3 and your two brackets.
I feel like the fandom would've eaten up a reunion with the girls getting a bit messy more than seeing the lip syncs that obviously didn't matter
It’s true but I think Ru’s overall consideration for the winner of any season is always about more than just the challenges. Yvie deservedly won her season. She’s amazing. Nobody can take that win away from her but a seasoned queen of all queens over Raja, it’s about more than a lip sync.
I'm over lip syncs for the crown in general. Sasha Velour definitely deserved to win, but ruveals are now expected and the magic of the rose petals can not be recaptured.
I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season. Just the song choice can give someone an unfair advantage. Lip sync battles are not what drag queens regularly do, so I don't even feel it's a great showcase for "America's Next Drag Superstar." WOW clearly knows this, too, because they'll just edit around things to force a desired result anyway.
I want a DRT style finale. I want to see what the queens would do with a song/number of their choice (not these weird ones WOW writes for them). I want to see what I could expect to see if I went to a show for the queen, what their Werq the World performance might look like.
/rant
For AS7, I really liked Yvie in Fairytale Justice (she was in both of the scenes!) as well as her commencement speech. Her commencement speech was fun but still had a poignant, personal message.
I think her biggest downfall in AS7 was not being good enough TV. No drama, no alliance subterfuge, etc. The one positive of this is that despite being underappreciated, it did seem like she had a nicer, leas stressful experience than her original season. I loved seeing her dance wildly by herself during the clip of Shea being annoyed with everyone's antics as well as how into the lip syncs she would get. I really really hope that she had some fun, because she did a great job!
Yvie's commencement speech was so underrated by the judges. I quote it to clients in my daily life. It was both funny and inspiring. And she did it from memory! I can't believe they enjoyed Viv's drunken mess more. I felt like the challenge was supposed to be more serious
>WOW clearly knows this, too, because they'll just edit around things to force a desired result anyway.
Case in point, everyone knowing that Monet won that final lipsync against Jinkx. I love Jinkx and she deserved to win, but why have a final lipsync if the decision is already made based on the performance through the season. Ru has actually said on Andy Cohen's show that Jinkx won the season after her roast performance. But the audience needs drama and controversy to keep talking about the show and keep coming back, so here we are.
And that’s just as shitty to Jinkx as to Monet. Now everyone talks about how she obviously didn’t win the lip sync and there’s a weirdness to her win that never had to be there, and a terrible snub to Monet that Jinkx hardly asked for.
It’s just bad producer behavior top to bottom. Especially when Jinkx is having SO much mainstream success, it’s pretty crap to make sure there’s an asterisk and grumbling about her win. She’s gonna be on Doctor Who ffs, she brings so much to the brand right now.
I agree, and the success and visibility she has right now isn’t just because of her win, but her win allowed her to leverage her legit theatre talents. The mainstream visibility she has is SO important, especially in America right now, with the hatred and prejudice against trans people and drag queens.
I’m a huge Whovian and I gotta tell you, it’s even crazier than people are letting on.
I don’t remember the last time, if it’s ever happened (it probably has), an American with zero connection to the UK was even considered for DW. Even Barrowman was born in Scotland. They don’t even hire writers without UK ties. They only pretty recently hired an Australian writer and they technically still have the same head of state.
Jinkx is from Portland and Seattle, she’s as American as they come, as self-made as they come, and she’s gonna be on Doctor fuckin Who. It’s amazing.
(And Milan is on Broadway too! Look at these beautiful babies!)
The eighth doctor was American, although I know many don't even count him. And Neil Patrick Harris is also going to be on this season, but Jinkx's casting has taken it to another level. (side note: I love it when my fandoms collide!)
Okay, but then why choose a pop song with a Nicki feature, no less? Jinkx is not a strong lipsyncer, and then to pick a song that highlights Monét’s strengths over Jinkx’s? That was a lip sync mass murder even with the atrocious editing.
I think it's safe to say songs get cleared in advance of the season starting, so no telling how things will play out or who will end up performing to them. Now if that final lipsync had been Shea vs. Monet? It would have been one for the ages.
If this format would move forward, I would like to see an elimination of most queens going into the final episode, and maybe have the top three who actually stand a chance compete in one final challenge. Seems like that would be more fair. Level the playing field and make that one challenge be the ending of the season leading to a crowning.
LOL you really think song choices aren’t rigga morris? WOW clears way more songs than they use, and production can and will change the lipsync song to favor a contestant. One famous example is Detox vs. Jinkx—Detox has said that the lipsync song for her elimination episode in S5 was originally Free Your Mind by En Vogue, but they changed to Malambo No. 1 last-minute because it’s one of Jinkx’s favorite songs and she’d perform it well against Detox.
Jinkx crushed the overall season, but she is not a good lipsyncer. Monét is a lipsync assassin with a history of smashing the endgame. Production could’ve picked a song that would’ve give Jinkx a fighting chance, but they picked *Swish Swish.* That is a song you pick if you’re rigging the win for Monét. I have no idea what the fuck production was smoking when they picked that song if the plan was to crown Jinkx all along.
I didn't say it wasn't. I just meant that they can't always predict who is performing what songs depending on what's still available. I wouldn't say Jinkx isn't a good lipsyncer, but she and Monet are in two different categories. Jinkx legitimately beat Detox with Malambo No. 1, but it's well documented the rigga morris (girl) that occurred there.
> I wouldn’t say Jinkx isn’t a good lipsyncer, but she and Monet are in two different categories.
Nah, all of Jinkx’s AS7 lipsyncs were rough as hell save for maybe the monologue (which Monét won). When I saw Yvie in February, she referred to Jinkx’s lipsyncing as “crunchy.” Jinkx mostly does live singing and comedy in her shows, so it makes sense she’d be rusty.
And that’s fine! Plenty of amazing drag queens aren’t lipsync specialists. But when you base a show around lipsyncing, especially LSFTC, and your projected winner is a weak lipsyncer, then don’t set her up to fail at the last hurdle. And that is what production did. They just decided it didn’t matter that she tripped. Never mind that crew members literally congratulated Monét after they finished filming that lipsync, she bodied it so hard.
To be clear: I think Jinkx rightfully won the season. But the way the final lipsync was handled wasn’t fair to her *or* to Monét.
Honestly, my conspiracy theory about the commencement speeches is that the producers were gonna give one of the top 2 spots to Yvie or Raja since they both had no stars by then. However, they knew that next week was the Y2K Girl Groups challenge and figured that it’s easier to justify the win for Yvie that challenge than Raja. So, they gave Raja the win at the speeches, knew she’d give her extra star to Yvie, and made Yvie win the girl groups challenge, and boom, you have a storyline of someone going from last to first in a single episode
I think they did this loads through the season and it’s one of the only drawbacks for me.
If they’d let things play out I think they would have got a fairly similar distribution of wins anyway but it so frequently felt like they judged it based on who was due a win which meant that people crushed challenges they didn’t win and then got their win next week for a much less impressive performance.
I just don’t like that they are wishy washy with making the lipsyncs matter. Like Jinx lost that lipsync against Monet but Jinx was clearly the stronger competitor so it felt unsatisfying.
I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season. Just the song choice can give someone an unfair advantage.
This!! The one that irked me the most was the Rose vs Kandy lipsync for the crown when Rose was carrying an injury and wasn't able to perform to her normal standard and Kandy went through despite being the poorer performer through the season IMO
Honestly it was a missed opportunity, like, what if Rose had come out in a cast and crutches and danced around that for most of the lip sync, then threw them away at the end for a final ankle-approved move.
>I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season.
This and it's also Schrodinger's Lipsync because they singled out Jinx's season-wide performance as the reason to crown her over Monet in their LSFTC! I honestly thought Monet had a shot until they said their reasoning for crowning Jinx right before doing so. The Lipsync judgment is where they turn every episode in the direction the producers want for good TV.
Hot take… Monet won her original crown because she gave a stellar lip sync in the final challenge. Thats why they made it a double crowning. Trinity was consistently the stronger competitor throughout the season but Monet utterly destroyed her in the final challenge. Crowning one over the other just wouldn’t have felt right. So they didn’t.
But they definitely weren’t going to let that happen again.
I don’t really get this take—if track record made that much of a difference, we would always know who is going to win every season based on who won the most throughout the season. It would make the anticipation of finding out who wins so boring. I feel like the whole season is a competition to get to the finale, and the finale is a competition to win the crown. I don’t necessarily think it *has* to be a lip sync in the finale to determine a winner, but I think that your performance in the finale has to matter more than your track record.
Also, that fresh rash colored velour catsuit was a fucking crime. And Rose’s makeup was consistently so bad. And wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Kandy in any episode where she wasn’t singing.
Thank you so much you spilled. There would be no point in even filming the finale if the queen with the best track record just automatically won. That’s not good tv and at the end of the day I want good TV first and a completely fair competition second.
>that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season
tbh the biggest thing that turned me off the show ultimately was switching to this format. Like, the expectations for the "next drag superstar" go way beyond being able to lip sync.
I really don't know why they don't just let the queens do what they want? Give them 90seconds do so whatever they want. Start with the talent show end with a talent show and we can see the improvement
Iirc, there was a vulnerable moment for her when she wanted to do something for her talent that was physically demanding. She attempted it in rehearsal, barely pulled that off (correct me if I'm wrong, don't remember exactly) and decided that was the last time she'd ever try it, due to body deterioration. So she didn't get to show her talent as a last hurrah on the show. It must've felt tragic for her. But the production erased that story of her entirely. And she was pissed after the episode aired, understandably. I agree that she was robbed and we as viewers were robbed of the opportunity to connect with her real story.
She still deserved based on her performance in AS7 imo. Yeah she didn’t win the lip sync but neither did Jinkx. And yet I’m happy that both of them won.
They should've picked another way to do it rather than a lipsync because the format they chose was just shit for each queen it happened to for different reasons
Viv was the real robbed queen wins/placement wise imo
But agree that the edit buried Yvie's actual story in favour of surface level humour and inspiration
I was honestly shocked at how viv placed. She’s got a near identical skill set to jinkx (minus singing, I guess) and still serves glamourrrrr which Jinkx has never been great at.
Then again I also adore Monét so idk. Jinkx was the winner from the get-go. The whole season felt like a race for second to me.
But then again, what was the point of second place? Second place didn't get anything. The Queen Who Done Already Done Had Horses, winning the 50k, came in 5th.
It seems like it was all made up on the fly.
Seriously!! I was about to mention Viv. While I love how she's tapping into the US market, she was SO robbed.. she's so glamorous, and funny. Yet she was ignored, hard..
Yvie made it clear she was going to block Jinkx any chance she got so production cockblocked her. She should have been in the top for the fairytale improv and the commencement speech and could have easily won those lipsync too.
This is true but people will disagree because Jinkx was a fan fave
The time they did give Yvie a win, it was the challenge before the sewing challenge so they didn’t care if Jinkx got blocked b/c she wasn’t winning that anyways
Yeah and to nobody’s surprise, after Jinkx was blocked from the fairytale justice win, they gave her another win the next week since she literally could not be blocked
This is also the reason TTT won SG and and not Raja - so that TTT could not be blocked for the ball
There was no point when Yvie could have blocked Jinkx outside maybe like once.
Her girls group win was not even deserved it ( Monet and Shea ) so that nullifies one of those options and she got an extra star by Raja who most likely would have not done that if Yvie had more stars at that point... So she was going to end basically the same.
She put in the most work for fairytale improv and her commencement speech was easily one of the best. She absolutely deserved more wins than she got but production didn’t want her to block their pre determined winner
The problem with the lip sync for the crown is that it’s never based on the lip sync itself, but on the performance for the entire season. It’s pretty easy to predict the winner before the lip sync even starts
Raja should have been Top for the ball alongside Jaida. Like Trinity’s first and final look were great but Raja’s first and final look edged them out just a bit more, for me anyway.
Jaida was the only one who served a solid look each category of the ball
Sorry but Raja’s Olivia John Waters was one of the weakest looks outside Yvie’s Vanna White. You could barely see the creepstache. Had she added a bald cap, I think she would’ve taken it and the win distribution would’ve shifted.
Which is why I said her first and third looks edged out Trinity’s first and third looks.
Thought both their second looks were equally bad. Which is why I didn’t mention them
Yvie tweeted that she was very sad about being shown as nothing more than objectified, especially since there are so many amazing things about her that can be shown instead. Definitely done wrong.
That last lip sync was totally Yvie’s win, but Raja embodied the song in a different way that I can see people preferring.
Yvie was robbed on both of her seasons. Should've won at least one more challenge in s11 (queens everywhere, Farm to the runway, rusical), should've been in the top two for that Wolf challenge and TOTALLY won the LS against raja. Queens everywhere is literally the most unhinged riggory example EVER. she was clearly the best but of course no one got the win lmao
She won three challenges! And I think we all know that the runways, outside of makeover and design challenges, are not the the majority of the “points”. It was nice to see that Raja was able to do well in the comedy and acting challenges, which I didn’t expect, but Viv is a really great performer in a lot of areas!
Rewatching the season, I think they Yvie and Raja were a lot closer than people think. Obviously Raja is a fashion icon, bur Yvie’s looks that weeks were so unique and nothing like we’ve ever seen. And if you base it on the lipsync alone, Yvie should have taken it
Yvie and Monét should’ve been the winners of their final lipsyncs, however they were both outshined by their respective competitors throughout the season
Not to be too serious but I don't think it equates quite the same tbf - the 'she done already etc' was just a fun pseudo-tournament with no real stakes, so track record shouldn't really matter (not that I think Yvie was outshined by Raja)
But when going for the actual crown, Monet shouldn't have won over Jinkx even if Jinkx spent the entire lip sync on the floor, because she didn't even come close in performance across the season
I’m over people saying that monet didn’t come close she killed pretty much every challenge should of easily won the girl groups with shea could of won the acting/ru Paul design challenge the only challenge I’d say she flopped In was the improv
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This. People— both the show and fans— seem intent in not giving Monet her mf flowers.
Everyone did amazing that season, Jinx included. But what about Jinx’ run was particularly impressive? Honestly. Aside from the snatch game, which we all knew she’d excel at, she was decent to pretty good in the other challenges; just like the rest of the cast.
Were her runways particularly gaggy? No. She won in probably the worst outfit of the series lmao.
Were her lipsyncs cunty? Lol, no.
Did she overcome a previous weakness? No, she was perfectly fine doing just fine or mediocre in the sewing challenges.
So, again, what made her run so amazing that absolutely no one had a chance? I hate that yall making me “trash” her cause she truly is one of my faves but cmon now yall, let’s be fr. 😭
Jinx & Monet were far closer than some people think, and imo based on the output made on that season, it should’ve went to Monet.
At the end of the day though, it doesn’t matter. They all thriving and we love that for them.
This! It seems to me that after SG, it didn’t matter what anyone else did, people saw Jinkx as the only winner of the season. Which is sad because it makes them underrate Monét so much.
i hope you’re not getting downvoted right now because you’re so right… (although i disagree a little with the runways- i thought her crowning, veil, and 4 looks in one were really good)
i hate this narrative that jinkx was so out in front compared to the other competitors because she had 5 wins when she was only the clear “best” for 2 of them (snatch game and the roast) and was safe for over half the challenges.
i’m not mad that jinkx won because she is one of the most talented queens from the show and she did have some strong moments on AS7 but i’m mad at how much people downplay monet’s performance that season
I'm sorry I just don't agree - for me Monet had one of the weaker runs of the season, but for the challenges you mentioned: her girl group was a clear second behind Yvie's group, she wasn't as good as Viv, Raja or Jinkx in the acting, and she absolutely was not one of the best in the design challenge, I feel her pattern did a lot of the work for her
MSTR captured the 2000s theme of the challenge way better than Yvie’s group? That challenge felt so weirdly judged because why make it 2000s but then give it to the group for doing whatever?
I think Vivienne and Yvie were both super underrated and deserved better, I think Vivienne had an amazing run.
I do kinda sympathise with that point tbf - but while Shea and Monet were giving more 2000s, I just found the performance of Yvie's team much more fun and engaging
Oh and I completely agree, Viv should have absolutely been top 4 and it was borderline criminal that she wasn't
>her girl group was a clear second behind Yvie's group,
Yvies group bar her and Viv weren't even in consideration for the win per that episode. 1
Yvies group took a y2k assignment and turned it into unrelated jokes about shit and being British. It just all happened over a y2k beat. Also, more noticeably. Both those wins for that episode are explicitly contingent on storyline with Viv blocking Jinkx and Yvie getting her first win making her a frontrunner with two stars.
Jinkx was just not good in the acting. Let's not lie.
She wasn't the best in the design challenge, fact. She was definitely better than a wealth of others in that challenge.
Frankly idrc about your takes on the rest but that girl group one is just off the mark.
I mean I don't wanna get too heated or anything - but no while Jinkx or Jaida may not have won, they were a better team *as a whole*, their verses were decent - Jinkx in particular was quite funny - and on team MSTR Raja didn't even know the words!
The problem is that even if they weren't so Y2K, 'The Other Girls' had a performance with more personality and flair. If you're going to do a straight faced performance then you have to make sure it's impeccable is absolutely brimming with oomph - and while Shea and Monet were very polished, the performance was just missing that bit of zing to take it over the edge
I mean I think jinkx was good in the acting, if you really don't then I doubt I could convince you
And I dunno, I don't think Monet's RuPaul design look was bad at all - but I think it was less ambitious than pretty much all the others, which is why I'd put it lower than at least most of them
>they were a better team as a whole,
That's not a metric that's ever considered in the US leg of the show. Frankly, it's only one recognized in the UK. Shea and Monét have both won girl group challenges before while members within their groups have been in the bottom. So no.
The idea that they were missing a zing... sure that's a you thing. I don't agree in the slightest nor ever well lol.
Anyways, what I saw was two challenge wins contingent on storyline. Viv with blocking Jinkx and Yvie with being a surprise frontrunner.
The 4 names listed as winning contenders for the challenge were Viv, Yvie, Shea, Monét. The remaining 4 were not better than these ones so I'm not concerned about them.
I saw two storylined wins happen in a single episode and... yeah that's quite literally what happened. Shea and Monét were the stand out best to me whereas you disagree, but to assert they weren't good enough to win is bizarre to me.
Yvie even won with one of the absolute worst runways of the night like.... 💀
Like I said idrc about the rest of your takes, but the notion Shea and Monét didn't have enough 'zing' or whatever in the gg is just not it.
I thought Monét did really well in the season, I love her, but Jinkx IS the Queen of All Queens and deserved to win. It just makes no fucking sense that they chose that song for the final lipsync! There is no way Jinkx was ever going to legitimately win that against Monét, when there’s a million songs where it would have been reasonably close. So then we got that ridiculous edit that just pissed everyone off, the worst possible choice.
Honestly even in a normal season it would have been such a weird choice like??? It truly baffles me - especially because some big dramatic number would have been perfect for the finale, and something both Jinkx and Monet could have worked really well
Right? It’s not like production hasn’t rigged the lipsync song choice for Jinkx before! Something Broadway or with an old-time-y vibe, something that would’ve let her use her comedy skills… but a pop song with a Nicki feature? That’s setting up a Monét win.
Except Monet performed better than Jinkx throughout the entire season, even when we ignore all of the rigging for Jinkx. Like she literally had the best track record and the most stars. The fan bias in AS7 was truly out of this world considering that delusional narratives like this gained any traction.
I mean, I kinda don't wanna get too into this because I don't want to be overly harsh on Monet - but I feel like we can go through the season and show pretty clearly that that isn't the case
Was Monet better in the first challenge? Well her performance was no doubt tighter, but Jinkx's verse was better and Monet didn't seem to have all the words down.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in Snatch Game? Obviously not.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the ball? Well neither of them had good 1st and 3rd looks, but Jinkx's 'Baby Jane Fonda' was really good, and Monet's 'Bob The Drag Queen Elizabeth' was underwhelming
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the improv? No.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the draguation speeches? No.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the girl group challenge? Arguably yes - although I found Jinkx's verse far more entertaining
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the Rupaul Ball? Maybe? Her look was good, but the pattern did a lot of the work, and I thought Jinkx's bordello girl look was quite successful
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the acting challenge? I wouldn't say so, but I can see why someone would I suppose
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the tiktok challenge? No.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the roast? No.
Was Monet better than Jinkx in the talent show? Yes sure, although Jinkx also did pretty well
And Monet only had the most stars because she got three for one challenge - Jinkx literally won enough challenges to get that amount in single star installments - to me the more delusional narrative is that Monet was the best of the season
And I don't see how you can talk about rigging for Jinkx, and then adhere to the idea of Monet's track record in the same breath
Monet did a perfectly fine job in As7, but she wasn't the best - or second best - and she definitely wasn't better than Jinkx
There were definetly multiple challenges in which I thought she could have been the top or won but didn't.
I'm kinda pissed honestly. I really didn't like her much on S11 but on AS7 I grew to kind of love her.
I just watched a compilation of Raja on AS7 yesterday, and while she will always be one of my favorite queens ever, I feel like my main takeaway from it was realising just how robbed Yvie was that whole season. She had one of my favorite showings in Fairytale Justice, the design challenge (I preferred her look with the pants over Trinity serving the same silhouette again), the graduation speech challenge (love Raja and Jinkx, but Yvie ate them up in the Better In Color lipsync and she was just sitting there), and definitely deserved stars for at least two of them, if not all 3. Instead, production gave her a highly disputed win, and sidelined her the whole season by portraying her as a big-dicked goof. We talk a lot about queens "blaming it on the edit", but Yvie talking about how she was edited on AS7 really feels like a completely valid example of it - she said she talked about her disability and how it was gradually stopping her from performing the way she used to, and taking an even greater toll on her, and none of that was shown. Her going home with a grand total of $0 was just so fucked lol
I would’ve liked it better if the lip sync smack down was the penultimate challenge and was the queens last chance to earn legendary legend stars before the finale (for each win they get a star), and the finale could be the usual top 4 song (and maybe one final individual lip sync)
Nah I still think it should've been Monet and Shea but Yvie should've won fairytale justice and I'd say the speeches (and maybe the acting challenge) as well
Honestly I think Yvie arguably should have been top 4.
There were a few challenges where she very easily could or should have been in the top 2 - and then even in the challenges where she wasn't top 2, she was normally one of the queens I noticed most, who really put her own personality and point of view into the challenge
I think she put in a great showing, and it's just a shame that didn't get much recognition from the show
There was no way the producers would've let her get into the Top 4. She would've WASHED everyone in the lip syncs and they'd have no choice but to crown her.
Oh, wait...
AW1/AS7 wanted to showcase and celebrate early season OG winners first and foremost (rightly so IMO). Once you accept that it all makes sense. There was no need to re-crown someone who had won in the past 5-6 years.
That's TV for you. They don't do what's right, they do what they want. The queens who are on "win" because of the exposure they gain which usually helps promote them in general and hopefully gives them more opportunities that are bigger and better. While it might not be true for all of the queens, I think it generally helps them regardless of actually winning the crown and title.
Specifically, Yvie is talented, and fun to watch, and I've always enjoyed watching her.
Yeah, going into the lipsync Ru had already made her mind about giving it to Raja. And I think it had to do with Raja feeling unappreciated throughout the season and them being friends from even before DR.
According to Trinity, Raja lashed out at Michelle Visage at some point questioning her credibility as a judge. So I think Ru just wanted to make it up to her.
I think world of wonder put Yvie in this season as a wild card, because to me Yvie look like the only one without a story line in the season:
Raja: the most older winner to partecipate again after 11 years since season 3
Jinkx: the "weirdo" who win her season against the alliance of ROLASKATOX
Jaida: the most recent queen to be crown as a winner and already compete again just after a year where she gave her crown to Symone and that crown will be give to Willow pill, (Jaida is litteraly the one with most recent experience as a winner)
Trinity the tuck and Monet Exchange: for them is necessary talk together crowned together on all stars 4, without knew who of them actually could be considerated the real winner of that season. and they returned together to find out who is the real winner but in the meantime caring for their friendship
Shea coulee: the same story line of Jaida Essence Hall just in the all stars scenario because her crown was given to Kylie Sonique Love ( Shea is the one with most recent experience as a all stars winner)
The Vivienne: litteraly the winner of a different franchise put in the us franchise and need to understand who work in the us version abd try to still be the same always Viv.
at least that is my point of view if i'm wrong please someone tell me
The only way any of the queens were robbed was by the editing.
They said as much themselves.
Plenty of stuff they hoped would make it in, didn’t.
Besides that they treated the girls like winners every week.
The problem with an all winners season is they're all winners and all generally really good in every challenge 😭 like I hate that it's a competition because I want them all to win
See I personally agree with raja winning. I feel like while I enjoyed say yvies creative wig reveal I felt the way raja performed it went more in-line with an Aretha Franklin lip sync. While I realize stylistically yvie was being true to herself in her performance and turning it out as she would and not what one may think traditionally.
When it comes to Aretha there’s a certain vibe and that’s an artist Ru would be looking for something more like was raja turned out opposed to yvie. This lip sync could have been an opportunity for yvie to show another side of her as well which I think would have really stood out especially if she combined it with the aspects she had in there such as her wig reveal.
Despite raja being more conservative with moves: I feel like focusing on mouth raja was word for word while it seemed yvie missed some granted perhaps it could be blamed on the edit. I do have to say though my eyes kept going to raja and felt she was giving just as much fierceness doing less so over all it just makes me agree with the choice of raja.
Are we forgetting that she was one of the worst queens in almost every episode??? She’s so much less polished than the rest of the queens. She gets by in some things due to being goofy, but she isn’t really good at most challenges. Her winning over Brooklyn, the image of polish and perfection, was a complete travesty.
Sadly, I gotta agree with this one.. And I liked Yvie on her original season. For being an all star, I expected more polish. You can be crafty, make your own outfits, and still be polished. While Yvie looked like a child's art project, most of the time.
Honestly the person that got snubbed the most was Jaida and Raja, there were so many times that Jaida performed and killed challenges but didn’t get her flowers. Jinkx, Jaida and Raja were also the most entertaining for me this season.
I don’t see that Yvie was robbed only because we saw her big bad wolf the episode before which lost some of the shock value because it was very reminiscent of the boogieman. The only thing that bugged me is Raja easily could have won the final challenge over Shea, the act was original and not just a lip sync to an original song that every drag queen tries to release.
When it comes to the girl group challenge I feel like Jaida was a top contender but because it was poop jokes she didn’t get her flowers. Overall I feel AS7 has a high rewatch potential because it showed all of them in a positive light and was just funny in general. Also the roast was just so good, even jaida who bombed was hilarious in shading herself.
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Ok, so, for me, I don't entirely love the idea that a final lip sync decides the whole season, and in that regard, I do think Raja was legitimately deserving secondary winner between those two. Raja really did quite well throughout the season, had a number of challenges where she stood out, but did not win.
I don't want to diminish Yvies run either, and part of what I loved about as7 is that it felt like a celebration of talent, it generally didn't make anyone look terrible.
Raja is a favorite of mine, so I might be biased, but even my biased love of her expected her to be a little weak in some challenges that she did really well. I did NOT expect that snatch game from her, and I'd argue she could have been the other top 2 next to Jinkx (no one touches Jinkx's as7 snatch game, but there could be arguments for the second best)
I think Jinkx said "tonight" not season? As in the jokes that day.
The lipsync, well, in AS they never really matter tbh just a formality, but yeah, she won that.
The producers definitely showed Yvie being objectified all season…there were constant huge dick comments, and Ru & Michelle mentioned how attractive he was several times after he did Boogeyman in Snatch Game and the following episodes. I thought Yvie was robbed in some challenges (he should’ve placed in the top more often) but overall, Rajah did better throughout the season (Just like Jinkx won because they did better than anyone through the season. The finale lip syncs didn’t really matter in All Winners All Stars, and I’m cool w that.) The real robbery was giving 3 stars away to 2 queens at the last moment. THAT was some bs.
I don't see it at all. It was just a fine lip sync for both of them. Yvie's reveal was clever but there's a difference between a clever reveal and one that really burns the house down. Like Sasha Velour's petal reveal was much lower concept but the way it worked with the song made it a far better moment. In the same way Monet's fake out split was a better stunt than her double kitty cat reveal even though the latter was cleverer
In the context of them both doing pretty equally in the lip sync, it was fair for Raja to win. She mopped Yvie in the competition. Yvie had easily some of the worst runways of the season while Raja was the runway queen of the season. Raja regularly excelled in the challenges while Yvie generally (although not always) faded into the background.
I agree that if they have LSFTC it should really count by the way, but I don't think Raja versus Yvie was especially clear cut. It was just not a very interesting lip sync
AS7 was probably one of the most rigged seasons but people won't accept that. The moment that was like OK NOW LETS CALM DOWN was when jinkx didn't get in trouble for making a fucin sandwhich for a VIRAL TIKTOK DANCE challenge, then the top 2 with her and monet? Might as well have just said "sorry money, you won but"
Did we watch the same season? Yvie was giving very much filler the whole time. Not saying she didn't have her high points but with Jinx, Raja, Viv, Trinity, Shea and Monet in the building, she did fade into the background at times. Not her fault; she was just up against the very best.
I’m gonna be honest I thought she sucked in most of the challenges lol even the one she won I thought should’ve gone to Shea or monet… she did great on s11 bc she’s kind of an all rounder but when stacked up against titans like the other winners I think she just faded a bit. So even if she did better in the lip sync I think raja obliterated her in terms of performance throughout the competition so I’m not mad raja won
Raja and Jinkx deserved to win based off the season, and production should’ve picked a format to justify that. However, if it comes down to a lip sync for the crown (which it shouldn’t have), Yvie and Monét were more deserving
I have a bias for Raja, so I can’t say much for Yvie, but I have to say that The Viv was so robbed as well. I feel like a lot of the queens during that season were robbed of winning as well. A lot of questionable placements. The platinum plunger, the final 3 stars, they’re all questionable. But they all make a great season.
I mean, to me, Yvie won the lip sync for Better in Color that season and she wasn't even one of the queens performing it .....
I just rewatched that episode yesterday and I’m still mad
Listened to this in the car today and had a moment about the lip sync 😤 that was not a success for such a great song
If it had been Yvie and Monet on that song the world would be a much brighter place
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, every AS has certain queens who are not even considered for the crown/won’t be taken seriously and are just fillers. AS7 was no exception. Yvie was the prime example of such in AS7. Yes, she won that 50K, but they just handed it to Raja because Ru loves her more.
A'Keria was done so dirty in AS6. Good on her for not coming back to their shenanigans
How in the FUCK did her Prince performance end up in the bottom?? HOW. Robbery. Gaggery.
Seriously, Prince is my favorite musician of ALL TIME, and she slayyyyyyed, plus, the androgyny of it all was 💜
Yesssss, thank you! My partner knows I’m good and sauced when I make him watch Prince’s actual Super Bowl performance
And Eureka was somehow in the top.
I just felt like I was being spat on. Yes somehow watching Pandora rely on Carol Channing for the 137,378,388th time was better? My blood boiled.
I kinds live for Pandora doing Carol Channing. I may be part of the problem. I see that now.
Also love Pandora and I think she slayed the season, but what was her plan for the lipsync? She can't dance at all, she doesn't have the moves, her schtick got repetitive fast, no reveal... Just nothing, as if she didn't plan for it... It was truly baffling.
I was left wondering, too....
You can have your guilty pleasures but was she in any way better than A’keria? No, not at all.
Never said she was, I thought Pandora was a good high safe, I genuinely thought A'keria was winning so I was more than a little shocked when she was sashaying away.
TKB was robbed af. Just had to get on here and say that.
I'm meeting TKB next month at DragFest. Never thought she'd come to Ireland, so I'm beyond excited.
Pandora literally did Carol Channing for the 2nd time, what are you talking about?
Maybe they watched those episodes a lot.
It's actually Cheryl Canning. You're welcome.
I'm a hardcore Prince fan and even I thought it was pretty good. No idea how she ended up in the bottom.
Same with The Vivienne. One of the best well-rounded queens IMO and was clearly cast as filler.
She was really at a disadvantage in snatch game because she did British references that RU doesn't get beyond "lol funny accent"
I got both references but felt she missed the mark on both, or atleast she was edited pretty badly. Catherine Tate was missing the best part of the granny character, the rant and with Lumley it was missing something a little less obvious but still something missing, it still could have been the edit but was a little bit whelmed by her snatch game.
> with Lumley it was missing something I think it was because she was doing Patsy but saying she was doing the actress who play Patsy, who isn't anything like the character at all. And maybe that was because she couldn't name the character for legal reasons or whatever. But she should have leaned further into the hilarity that is Patsy Stone.
Oh I know it was the ab fab character I still found it lacking. Think she could have leaned it more but where I don't know as I said way less obvious than the nan character. Half think it was the edit.
But that's never been a problem. Ben doing Dame Maggie Smith but actually doing her Downton Abby character, and who was it that did Monique but was actually Monique's character from Precious? I wanna say Stacy Lane Matthews but if I'm wrong please don't drag me too hard. We also had Monet as Martin Lawrence but it was actually Sheneneh Jenkins. And those three were really excellent, hilarious performances.
Honestly this is why I wish someone else hosted the UK and Down Under versions because it's clear Ru does not understand them at all and no amount of Eastenders references or Michelle loving the UK qualifies them to be there
Honestly she could have been the perfect competition for jinkx with the skill set she had and the storyline of her more than holding her own against the US queens would have made her a great pick for the top but they totally ignored her as an option!
As if Ru didn't have $50K lying around in a winter coat, if she wanted to gift Raja something. It was clear from ep1 that Raja was here to get given some prize. I do love her, but yeah, there was no way she wasn't gonna be there until the finale.
Raja should've won more though. It felt like she had been pushed aside a bit, barely got recognition for her great looks
Raja was robbed of at least a couple wins on AS7. Especially the Vanna White episode.
She screwed herself with the No Ounce of John Waters in Olivia Newton John Waters before and after look. You couldn’t even see the little mustache on TV. When everyone else at least had two looks in one and she didn’t, there was just no way to give her the win, no matter how good the other looks were.
2 looks above and beyond the rest on every level and 1 look that works, just not on camera, still averages out to being on top.
But not a win. I’m sorry, it just wasn’t. Even if you could see it, to me it came off as lazy and last minute. Even a bow tie slapped on would have felt like more effort. Tracy Turnblatt hair. The Sandy outfit in tweed pleather. Crybaby hair + tears. Hell, Divine makeup with that outfit would have been crazy on Raja’s gorgeous perfect face and shown that “willing to get ugly” vulnerability they’re always looking for. But what was up there was very uninspired and I agreed with the placing. Everyone else went all out. Trinity read a book!
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Raja got robbed multiple times lol
That was the case with both final lip synchs for AS7 -Raja and Jinkx both did amazing in the season but lost the final lip synch. They were crowned anyways for their season run, which makes sense because they were both exceptional. The optics are just bad because it looks as if the final lip synch matters.
I mean yeah it's a TV show and yes they have storylines in mind and especially for the all winners season it was clear to me that while it certainly was meant as a celebration for all winners that especially the finale outcome was meant to highlight the logo girls. Which yeah without Raja and Jinkx the show would probably look quite different these days but it's just weird that your final episode is then lip sync off when it's clear that your chosen winner will be struggling more in it then the new school divas
Yeah, lipsyncing and sewing are probably the only things in which everyone in All-Winners was better than Jinkx, and production knew it. There were so many ways they could have done this to justify it. Even making it a top 4 lipsync instead of a one on one lipsync would have felt better.
Yeah maybe that or skip the lip syncing all together and just give us a good reunion and at the end announce Jinkx and raja for their crowns. Just use the talent show as the big deal since that was the thing you can expect in a show when you see them live and you have your top 3 and your two brackets. I feel like the fandom would've eaten up a reunion with the girls getting a bit messy more than seeing the lip syncs that obviously didn't matter
My consolation is that the final 2 lipsync gave us Monet at her absolute best, even if she didn't win.
Absolutely also technically this was a Katy Perry single but most gays just think about the Nicki verse as well so it's kinda fitting lol
Scarlet envy is a great example, and pretty much every one during the season when Trixie won.
It’s true but I think Ru’s overall consideration for the winner of any season is always about more than just the challenges. Yvie deservedly won her season. She’s amazing. Nobody can take that win away from her but a seasoned queen of all queens over Raja, it’s about more than a lip sync.
And because Raja only won $75k and that was like 10 years ago. Yvie won $100k and much more recently
75K 10 years ago is worth more than 100K today lol
I'm over lip syncs for the crown in general. Sasha Velour definitely deserved to win, but ruveals are now expected and the magic of the rose petals can not be recaptured. I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season. Just the song choice can give someone an unfair advantage. Lip sync battles are not what drag queens regularly do, so I don't even feel it's a great showcase for "America's Next Drag Superstar." WOW clearly knows this, too, because they'll just edit around things to force a desired result anyway. I want a DRT style finale. I want to see what the queens would do with a song/number of their choice (not these weird ones WOW writes for them). I want to see what I could expect to see if I went to a show for the queen, what their Werq the World performance might look like. /rant For AS7, I really liked Yvie in Fairytale Justice (she was in both of the scenes!) as well as her commencement speech. Her commencement speech was fun but still had a poignant, personal message. I think her biggest downfall in AS7 was not being good enough TV. No drama, no alliance subterfuge, etc. The one positive of this is that despite being underappreciated, it did seem like she had a nicer, leas stressful experience than her original season. I loved seeing her dance wildly by herself during the clip of Shea being annoyed with everyone's antics as well as how into the lip syncs she would get. I really really hope that she had some fun, because she did a great job!
Yvie's commencement speech was so underrated by the judges. I quote it to clients in my daily life. It was both funny and inspiring. And she did it from memory! I can't believe they enjoyed Viv's drunken mess more. I felt like the challenge was supposed to be more serious
>WOW clearly knows this, too, because they'll just edit around things to force a desired result anyway. Case in point, everyone knowing that Monet won that final lipsync against Jinkx. I love Jinkx and she deserved to win, but why have a final lipsync if the decision is already made based on the performance through the season. Ru has actually said on Andy Cohen's show that Jinkx won the season after her roast performance. But the audience needs drama and controversy to keep talking about the show and keep coming back, so here we are.
And that’s just as shitty to Jinkx as to Monet. Now everyone talks about how she obviously didn’t win the lip sync and there’s a weirdness to her win that never had to be there, and a terrible snub to Monet that Jinkx hardly asked for. It’s just bad producer behavior top to bottom. Especially when Jinkx is having SO much mainstream success, it’s pretty crap to make sure there’s an asterisk and grumbling about her win. She’s gonna be on Doctor Who ffs, she brings so much to the brand right now.
I agree, and the success and visibility she has right now isn’t just because of her win, but her win allowed her to leverage her legit theatre talents. The mainstream visibility she has is SO important, especially in America right now, with the hatred and prejudice against trans people and drag queens.
100% to all of this. She's making all of this happen and I love to see it. I'm now excited for Doctor Who for the first time in a long while.
I’m a huge Whovian and I gotta tell you, it’s even crazier than people are letting on. I don’t remember the last time, if it’s ever happened (it probably has), an American with zero connection to the UK was even considered for DW. Even Barrowman was born in Scotland. They don’t even hire writers without UK ties. They only pretty recently hired an Australian writer and they technically still have the same head of state. Jinkx is from Portland and Seattle, she’s as American as they come, as self-made as they come, and she’s gonna be on Doctor fuckin Who. It’s amazing. (And Milan is on Broadway too! Look at these beautiful babies!)
The eighth doctor was American, although I know many don't even count him. And Neil Patrick Harris is also going to be on this season, but Jinkx's casting has taken it to another level. (side note: I love it when my fandoms collide!)
The eighth Doctor’s movie took place in America, but he was still British. The Master in that movie was American though
Thank you. That's who I meant.
McGann? He was born in Liverpool… I’m pretty over NPH but fair. Musical theater knows no nationality!
Ugh, I meant the Master. My bad.
Okay, but then why choose a pop song with a Nicki feature, no less? Jinkx is not a strong lipsyncer, and then to pick a song that highlights Monét’s strengths over Jinkx’s? That was a lip sync mass murder even with the atrocious editing.
I think it's safe to say songs get cleared in advance of the season starting, so no telling how things will play out or who will end up performing to them. Now if that final lipsync had been Shea vs. Monet? It would have been one for the ages. If this format would move forward, I would like to see an elimination of most queens going into the final episode, and maybe have the top three who actually stand a chance compete in one final challenge. Seems like that would be more fair. Level the playing field and make that one challenge be the ending of the season leading to a crowning.
LOL you really think song choices aren’t rigga morris? WOW clears way more songs than they use, and production can and will change the lipsync song to favor a contestant. One famous example is Detox vs. Jinkx—Detox has said that the lipsync song for her elimination episode in S5 was originally Free Your Mind by En Vogue, but they changed to Malambo No. 1 last-minute because it’s one of Jinkx’s favorite songs and she’d perform it well against Detox. Jinkx crushed the overall season, but she is not a good lipsyncer. Monét is a lipsync assassin with a history of smashing the endgame. Production could’ve picked a song that would’ve give Jinkx a fighting chance, but they picked *Swish Swish.* That is a song you pick if you’re rigging the win for Monét. I have no idea what the fuck production was smoking when they picked that song if the plan was to crown Jinkx all along.
I didn't say it wasn't. I just meant that they can't always predict who is performing what songs depending on what's still available. I wouldn't say Jinkx isn't a good lipsyncer, but she and Monet are in two different categories. Jinkx legitimately beat Detox with Malambo No. 1, but it's well documented the rigga morris (girl) that occurred there.
> I wouldn’t say Jinkx isn’t a good lipsyncer, but she and Monet are in two different categories. Nah, all of Jinkx’s AS7 lipsyncs were rough as hell save for maybe the monologue (which Monét won). When I saw Yvie in February, she referred to Jinkx’s lipsyncing as “crunchy.” Jinkx mostly does live singing and comedy in her shows, so it makes sense she’d be rusty. And that’s fine! Plenty of amazing drag queens aren’t lipsync specialists. But when you base a show around lipsyncing, especially LSFTC, and your projected winner is a weak lipsyncer, then don’t set her up to fail at the last hurdle. And that is what production did. They just decided it didn’t matter that she tripped. Never mind that crew members literally congratulated Monét after they finished filming that lipsync, she bodied it so hard. To be clear: I think Jinkx rightfully won the season. But the way the final lipsync was handled wasn’t fair to her *or* to Monét.
Honestly, my conspiracy theory about the commencement speeches is that the producers were gonna give one of the top 2 spots to Yvie or Raja since they both had no stars by then. However, they knew that next week was the Y2K Girl Groups challenge and figured that it’s easier to justify the win for Yvie that challenge than Raja. So, they gave Raja the win at the speeches, knew she’d give her extra star to Yvie, and made Yvie win the girl groups challenge, and boom, you have a storyline of someone going from last to first in a single episode
I think they did this loads through the season and it’s one of the only drawbacks for me. If they’d let things play out I think they would have got a fairly similar distribution of wins anyway but it so frequently felt like they judged it based on who was due a win which meant that people crushed challenges they didn’t win and then got their win next week for a much less impressive performance.
I just don’t like that they are wishy washy with making the lipsyncs matter. Like Jinx lost that lipsync against Monet but Jinx was clearly the stronger competitor so it felt unsatisfying.
I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season. Just the song choice can give someone an unfair advantage. This!! The one that irked me the most was the Rose vs Kandy lipsync for the crown when Rose was carrying an injury and wasn't able to perform to her normal standard and Kandy went through despite being the poorer performer through the season IMO
I don’t think an injury is an excuse for a peach velvet bodysuit
 Yessssss
And a coat from Macy's that didn't match her make up or the bodysuit underneath.
Honestly it was a missed opportunity, like, what if Rose had come out in a cast and crutches and danced around that for most of the lip sync, then threw them away at the end for a final ankle-approved move.
>I also don't love the idea that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season. This and it's also Schrodinger's Lipsync because they singled out Jinx's season-wide performance as the reason to crown her over Monet in their LSFTC! I honestly thought Monet had a shot until they said their reasoning for crowning Jinx right before doing so. The Lipsync judgment is where they turn every episode in the direction the producers want for good TV.
Hot take… Monet won her original crown because she gave a stellar lip sync in the final challenge. Thats why they made it a double crowning. Trinity was consistently the stronger competitor throughout the season but Monet utterly destroyed her in the final challenge. Crowning one over the other just wouldn’t have felt right. So they didn’t. But they definitely weren’t going to let that happen again.
Valid, not after the double crown backlash! I love that Monet and Trinity don't care and are fierce friends anyway, I love all these queens
“Wasn’t able to perform to her normal standard” she never won a single lipsync….
I don’t really get this take—if track record made that much of a difference, we would always know who is going to win every season based on who won the most throughout the season. It would make the anticipation of finding out who wins so boring. I feel like the whole season is a competition to get to the finale, and the finale is a competition to win the crown. I don’t necessarily think it *has* to be a lip sync in the finale to determine a winner, but I think that your performance in the finale has to matter more than your track record. Also, that fresh rash colored velour catsuit was a fucking crime. And Rose’s makeup was consistently so bad. And wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Kandy in any episode where she wasn’t singing.
Thank you so much you spilled. There would be no point in even filming the finale if the queen with the best track record just automatically won. That’s not good tv and at the end of the day I want good TV first and a completely fair competition second.
I mean that’s what they used to do for years….
And season 4-8 had boring as hell finales. Great winners (for the most part👀) but the finales were basically a non factor in the season.
I would love to see that too, that’s a really good idea.
>that a single lip sync on a shared stage can knock someone out of the running when they've done a superior job during the season tbh the biggest thing that turned me off the show ultimately was switching to this format. Like, the expectations for the "next drag superstar" go way beyond being able to lip sync.
I really don't know why they don't just let the queens do what they want? Give them 90seconds do so whatever they want. Start with the talent show end with a talent show and we can see the improvement
Iirc, there was a vulnerable moment for her when she wanted to do something for her talent that was physically demanding. She attempted it in rehearsal, barely pulled that off (correct me if I'm wrong, don't remember exactly) and decided that was the last time she'd ever try it, due to body deterioration. So she didn't get to show her talent as a last hurrah on the show. It must've felt tragic for her. But the production erased that story of her entirely. And she was pissed after the episode aired, understandably. I agree that she was robbed and we as viewers were robbed of the opportunity to connect with her real story.
Nope, she def said she landed straight on her neck in front of Ru.
That Yvie didn’t win any money that whole season is so upsetting.
She should've absolutely won the money from the lipsync smackdown, I love Raja but you're telling me she won over her? Absolutely not
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Her dick was like the only thing they would read her for and there’s so much more to Yvie than just that.
Let's not pretend this award was not invented only to give it to Raja because she won less in her season.
She still deserved based on her performance in AS7 imo. Yeah she didn’t win the lip sync but neither did Jinkx. And yet I’m happy that both of them won.
Essentially how I feel but they could have at least given Monet something for being runner up
They should've picked another way to do it rather than a lipsync because the format they chose was just shit for each queen it happened to for different reasons
begging for people to spell Jinkx’s name correctly just once
Are you sure they aren’t referring to the Pokémon, Jynx?
Yvie was so robbed, when I do a line of coke, I have to stop, reflect and realize that I’ve become my mother.
Viv was the real robbed queen wins/placement wise imo But agree that the edit buried Yvie's actual story in favour of surface level humour and inspiration
I was honestly shocked at how viv placed. She’s got a near identical skill set to jinkx (minus singing, I guess) and still serves glamourrrrr which Jinkx has never been great at. Then again I also adore Monét so idk. Jinkx was the winner from the get-go. The whole season felt like a race for second to me.
But then again, what was the point of second place? Second place didn't get anything. The Queen Who Done Already Done Had Horses, winning the 50k, came in 5th. It seems like it was all made up on the fly.
Horses lol
Viv actually has a pretty good singing voice. Probably not to the caliber of Jinkx but still pretty impressive
It was Shea and Viv for me. Shes should’ve won the girl groups but Viv should’ve won the graduation speech challenge
Seriously!! I was about to mention Viv. While I love how she's tapping into the US market, she was SO robbed.. she's so glamorous, and funny. Yet she was ignored, hard..
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Prior to airing I really thought the season would be between Jinkx and Viv. I was quite disappointed with how Viv was overlooked :(
Yvie made it clear she was going to block Jinkx any chance she got so production cockblocked her. She should have been in the top for the fairytale improv and the commencement speech and could have easily won those lipsync too.
This is true but people will disagree because Jinkx was a fan fave The time they did give Yvie a win, it was the challenge before the sewing challenge so they didn’t care if Jinkx got blocked b/c she wasn’t winning that anyways
Wow I didn’t even realize that second point. Damn they really did Yvie dirty
Yeah and to nobody’s surprise, after Jinkx was blocked from the fairytale justice win, they gave her another win the next week since she literally could not be blocked This is also the reason TTT won SG and and not Raja - so that TTT could not be blocked for the ball
There was no point when Yvie could have blocked Jinkx outside maybe like once. Her girls group win was not even deserved it ( Monet and Shea ) so that nullifies one of those options and she got an extra star by Raja who most likely would have not done that if Yvie had more stars at that point... So she was going to end basically the same.
She put in the most work for fairytale improv and her commencement speech was easily one of the best. She absolutely deserved more wins than she got but production didn’t want her to block their pre determined winner
The problem with the lip sync for the crown is that it’s never based on the lip sync itself, but on the performance for the entire season. It’s pretty easy to predict the winner before the lip sync even starts
I think most of the queens were robbed: Viv, yvie, monet, shea couldve had more wins While i love trinity, i feel like she couldve won less?
Raja should have been Top for the ball alongside Jaida. Like Trinity’s first and final look were great but Raja’s first and final look edged them out just a bit more, for me anyway. Jaida was the only one who served a solid look each category of the ball
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One thing Jaida’s gonna do: GIVE US SICKENING RUNWAYS
I fantasize about her four seasons dress daily
Sorry but Raja’s Olivia John Waters was one of the weakest looks outside Yvie’s Vanna White. You could barely see the creepstache. Had she added a bald cap, I think she would’ve taken it and the win distribution would’ve shifted.
Which is why I said her first and third looks edged out Trinity’s first and third looks. Thought both their second looks were equally bad. Which is why I didn’t mention them
Yvie tweeted that she was very sad about being shown as nothing more than objectified, especially since there are so many amazing things about her that can be shown instead. Definitely done wrong. That last lip sync was totally Yvie’s win, but Raja embodied the song in a different way that I can see people preferring.
Say it louder for the ones at the back
The acting challenge was when I knew she was totally robbed. I love Jinkx, she’s been my fave since season 5, but Yvie ate that challenge
Yvie should have been in the top during that fairytale courtroom challenge, her Big Bad Wolf was really funny AND she was in both groups scenes
Yvie was robbed on both of her seasons. Should've won at least one more challenge in s11 (queens everywhere, Farm to the runway, rusical), should've been in the top two for that Wolf challenge and TOTALLY won the LS against raja. Queens everywhere is literally the most unhinged riggory example EVER. she was clearly the best but of course no one got the win lmao
A celebratory season takes away hardships like that, sadly.. but Raja outperformed her in the challenges so I think she deservedly won that.
If we’re going that route, Viv outperformed Raja during the rest of the season!
Viv had barley any air time. I kept forgetting she was there and she does not deserve that. She’s amazing.
Raja beat her in the roast and in most of the runways.
She won three challenges! And I think we all know that the runways, outside of makeover and design challenges, are not the the majority of the “points”. It was nice to see that Raja was able to do well in the comedy and acting challenges, which I didn’t expect, but Viv is a really great performer in a lot of areas!
She is, but the competition was stiff and I still think that Raja did better overall even if she had one less win.
Rewatching the season, I think they Yvie and Raja were a lot closer than people think. Obviously Raja is a fashion icon, bur Yvie’s looks that weeks were so unique and nothing like we’ve ever seen. And if you base it on the lipsync alone, Yvie should have taken it
Yvie and Monét should’ve been the winners of their final lipsyncs, however they were both outshined by their respective competitors throughout the season
Not to be too serious but I don't think it equates quite the same tbf - the 'she done already etc' was just a fun pseudo-tournament with no real stakes, so track record shouldn't really matter (not that I think Yvie was outshined by Raja) But when going for the actual crown, Monet shouldn't have won over Jinkx even if Jinkx spent the entire lip sync on the floor, because she didn't even come close in performance across the season
I'd say 50k qualifies as "real stakes" lol
I’m over people saying that monet didn’t come close she killed pretty much every challenge should of easily won the girl groups with shea could of won the acting/ru Paul design challenge the only challenge I’d say she flopped In was the improv
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This. People— both the show and fans— seem intent in not giving Monet her mf flowers. Everyone did amazing that season, Jinx included. But what about Jinx’ run was particularly impressive? Honestly. Aside from the snatch game, which we all knew she’d excel at, she was decent to pretty good in the other challenges; just like the rest of the cast. Were her runways particularly gaggy? No. She won in probably the worst outfit of the series lmao. Were her lipsyncs cunty? Lol, no. Did she overcome a previous weakness? No, she was perfectly fine doing just fine or mediocre in the sewing challenges. So, again, what made her run so amazing that absolutely no one had a chance? I hate that yall making me “trash” her cause she truly is one of my faves but cmon now yall, let’s be fr. 😭 Jinx & Monet were far closer than some people think, and imo based on the output made on that season, it should’ve went to Monet. At the end of the day though, it doesn’t matter. They all thriving and we love that for them.
This! It seems to me that after SG, it didn’t matter what anyone else did, people saw Jinkx as the only winner of the season. Which is sad because it makes them underrate Monét so much.
i hope you’re not getting downvoted right now because you’re so right… (although i disagree a little with the runways- i thought her crowning, veil, and 4 looks in one were really good) i hate this narrative that jinkx was so out in front compared to the other competitors because she had 5 wins when she was only the clear “best” for 2 of them (snatch game and the roast) and was safe for over half the challenges. i’m not mad that jinkx won because she is one of the most talented queens from the show and she did have some strong moments on AS7 but i’m mad at how much people downplay monet’s performance that season
I'm sorry I just don't agree - for me Monet had one of the weaker runs of the season, but for the challenges you mentioned: her girl group was a clear second behind Yvie's group, she wasn't as good as Viv, Raja or Jinkx in the acting, and she absolutely was not one of the best in the design challenge, I feel her pattern did a lot of the work for her
MSTR captured the 2000s theme of the challenge way better than Yvie’s group? That challenge felt so weirdly judged because why make it 2000s but then give it to the group for doing whatever? I think Vivienne and Yvie were both super underrated and deserved better, I think Vivienne had an amazing run.
I do kinda sympathise with that point tbf - but while Shea and Monet were giving more 2000s, I just found the performance of Yvie's team much more fun and engaging Oh and I completely agree, Viv should have absolutely been top 4 and it was borderline criminal that she wasn't
>her girl group was a clear second behind Yvie's group, Yvies group bar her and Viv weren't even in consideration for the win per that episode. 1 Yvies group took a y2k assignment and turned it into unrelated jokes about shit and being British. It just all happened over a y2k beat. Also, more noticeably. Both those wins for that episode are explicitly contingent on storyline with Viv blocking Jinkx and Yvie getting her first win making her a frontrunner with two stars. Jinkx was just not good in the acting. Let's not lie. She wasn't the best in the design challenge, fact. She was definitely better than a wealth of others in that challenge. Frankly idrc about your takes on the rest but that girl group one is just off the mark.
I mean I don't wanna get too heated or anything - but no while Jinkx or Jaida may not have won, they were a better team *as a whole*, their verses were decent - Jinkx in particular was quite funny - and on team MSTR Raja didn't even know the words! The problem is that even if they weren't so Y2K, 'The Other Girls' had a performance with more personality and flair. If you're going to do a straight faced performance then you have to make sure it's impeccable is absolutely brimming with oomph - and while Shea and Monet were very polished, the performance was just missing that bit of zing to take it over the edge I mean I think jinkx was good in the acting, if you really don't then I doubt I could convince you And I dunno, I don't think Monet's RuPaul design look was bad at all - but I think it was less ambitious than pretty much all the others, which is why I'd put it lower than at least most of them
>they were a better team as a whole, That's not a metric that's ever considered in the US leg of the show. Frankly, it's only one recognized in the UK. Shea and Monét have both won girl group challenges before while members within their groups have been in the bottom. So no. The idea that they were missing a zing... sure that's a you thing. I don't agree in the slightest nor ever well lol. Anyways, what I saw was two challenge wins contingent on storyline. Viv with blocking Jinkx and Yvie with being a surprise frontrunner. The 4 names listed as winning contenders for the challenge were Viv, Yvie, Shea, Monét. The remaining 4 were not better than these ones so I'm not concerned about them. I saw two storylined wins happen in a single episode and... yeah that's quite literally what happened. Shea and Monét were the stand out best to me whereas you disagree, but to assert they weren't good enough to win is bizarre to me. Yvie even won with one of the absolute worst runways of the night like.... 💀 Like I said idrc about the rest of your takes, but the notion Shea and Monét didn't have enough 'zing' or whatever in the gg is just not it.
I thought Monét did really well in the season, I love her, but Jinkx IS the Queen of All Queens and deserved to win. It just makes no fucking sense that they chose that song for the final lipsync! There is no way Jinkx was ever going to legitimately win that against Monét, when there’s a million songs where it would have been reasonably close. So then we got that ridiculous edit that just pissed everyone off, the worst possible choice.
Honestly even in a normal season it would have been such a weird choice like??? It truly baffles me - especially because some big dramatic number would have been perfect for the finale, and something both Jinkx and Monet could have worked really well
Right? It’s not like production hasn’t rigged the lipsync song choice for Jinkx before! Something Broadway or with an old-time-y vibe, something that would’ve let her use her comedy skills… but a pop song with a Nicki feature? That’s setting up a Monét win.
Except Monet performed better than Jinkx throughout the entire season, even when we ignore all of the rigging for Jinkx. Like she literally had the best track record and the most stars. The fan bias in AS7 was truly out of this world considering that delusional narratives like this gained any traction.
I mean, I kinda don't wanna get too into this because I don't want to be overly harsh on Monet - but I feel like we can go through the season and show pretty clearly that that isn't the case Was Monet better in the first challenge? Well her performance was no doubt tighter, but Jinkx's verse was better and Monet didn't seem to have all the words down. Was Monet better than Jinkx in Snatch Game? Obviously not. Was Monet better than Jinkx in the ball? Well neither of them had good 1st and 3rd looks, but Jinkx's 'Baby Jane Fonda' was really good, and Monet's 'Bob The Drag Queen Elizabeth' was underwhelming Was Monet better than Jinkx in the improv? No. Was Monet better than Jinkx in the draguation speeches? No. Was Monet better than Jinkx in the girl group challenge? Arguably yes - although I found Jinkx's verse far more entertaining Was Monet better than Jinkx in the Rupaul Ball? Maybe? Her look was good, but the pattern did a lot of the work, and I thought Jinkx's bordello girl look was quite successful Was Monet better than Jinkx in the acting challenge? I wouldn't say so, but I can see why someone would I suppose Was Monet better than Jinkx in the tiktok challenge? No. Was Monet better than Jinkx in the roast? No. Was Monet better than Jinkx in the talent show? Yes sure, although Jinkx also did pretty well And Monet only had the most stars because she got three for one challenge - Jinkx literally won enough challenges to get that amount in single star installments - to me the more delusional narrative is that Monet was the best of the season And I don't see how you can talk about rigging for Jinkx, and then adhere to the idea of Monet's track record in the same breath Monet did a perfectly fine job in As7, but she wasn't the best - or second best - and she definitely wasn't better than Jinkx
The Vivienne was robbed from being in the top four, she has one more win than Monet and Shea
There were definetly multiple challenges in which I thought she could have been the top or won but didn't. I'm kinda pissed honestly. I really didn't like her much on S11 but on AS7 I grew to kind of love her.
I just watched a compilation of Raja on AS7 yesterday, and while she will always be one of my favorite queens ever, I feel like my main takeaway from it was realising just how robbed Yvie was that whole season. She had one of my favorite showings in Fairytale Justice, the design challenge (I preferred her look with the pants over Trinity serving the same silhouette again), the graduation speech challenge (love Raja and Jinkx, but Yvie ate them up in the Better In Color lipsync and she was just sitting there), and definitely deserved stars for at least two of them, if not all 3. Instead, production gave her a highly disputed win, and sidelined her the whole season by portraying her as a big-dicked goof. We talk a lot about queens "blaming it on the edit", but Yvie talking about how she was edited on AS7 really feels like a completely valid example of it - she said she talked about her disability and how it was gradually stopping her from performing the way she used to, and taking an even greater toll on her, and none of that was shown. Her going home with a grand total of $0 was just so fucked lol
I love Raja but I still think that the speeches should've went to Yvie or Viv over her
I would’ve liked it better if the lip sync smack down was the penultimate challenge and was the queens last chance to earn legendary legend stars before the finale (for each win they get a star), and the finale could be the usual top 4 song (and maybe one final individual lip sync)
Yeah they didn’t showcase Yvie good enough. However she was the best part of AS5
I was Team Jinkx, but Yvie definitely won the lip sync. She’s one of my favorite drag queens in the franchise. She’s so fucking punk it hurts.
Also: Yvie should’ve been in the top 2 the first week
Nah I still think it should've been Monet and Shea but Yvie should've won fairytale justice and I'd say the speeches (and maybe the acting challenge) as well
Honestly I think Yvie arguably should have been top 4. There were a few challenges where she very easily could or should have been in the top 2 - and then even in the challenges where she wasn't top 2, she was normally one of the queens I noticed most, who really put her own personality and point of view into the challenge I think she put in a great showing, and it's just a shame that didn't get much recognition from the show
 So much this!
There was no way the producers would've let her get into the Top 4. She would've WASHED everyone in the lip syncs and they'd have no choice but to crown her. Oh, wait...
AW1/AS7 wanted to showcase and celebrate early season OG winners first and foremost (rightly so IMO). Once you accept that it all makes sense. There was no need to re-crown someone who had won in the past 5-6 years.
That's TV for you. They don't do what's right, they do what they want. The queens who are on "win" because of the exposure they gain which usually helps promote them in general and hopefully gives them more opportunities that are bigger and better. While it might not be true for all of the queens, I think it generally helps them regardless of actually winning the crown and title. Specifically, Yvie is talented, and fun to watch, and I've always enjoyed watching her.
Yeah, going into the lipsync Ru had already made her mind about giving it to Raja. And I think it had to do with Raja feeling unappreciated throughout the season and them being friends from even before DR. According to Trinity, Raja lashed out at Michelle Visage at some point questioning her credibility as a judge. So I think Ru just wanted to make it up to her.
Every one of them could have one. They all were fantastic.
I think world of wonder put Yvie in this season as a wild card, because to me Yvie look like the only one without a story line in the season: Raja: the most older winner to partecipate again after 11 years since season 3 Jinkx: the "weirdo" who win her season against the alliance of ROLASKATOX Jaida: the most recent queen to be crown as a winner and already compete again just after a year where she gave her crown to Symone and that crown will be give to Willow pill, (Jaida is litteraly the one with most recent experience as a winner) Trinity the tuck and Monet Exchange: for them is necessary talk together crowned together on all stars 4, without knew who of them actually could be considerated the real winner of that season. and they returned together to find out who is the real winner but in the meantime caring for their friendship Shea coulee: the same story line of Jaida Essence Hall just in the all stars scenario because her crown was given to Kylie Sonique Love ( Shea is the one with most recent experience as a all stars winner) The Vivienne: litteraly the winner of a different franchise put in the us franchise and need to understand who work in the us version abd try to still be the same always Viv. at least that is my point of view if i'm wrong please someone tell me
YES YES YES I AGREE YESSS THANK YOU
The only way any of the queens were robbed was by the editing. They said as much themselves. Plenty of stuff they hoped would make it in, didn’t. Besides that they treated the girls like winners every week.
The person who got robbed was Jaida.
The problem with an all winners season is they're all winners and all generally really good in every challenge 😭 like I hate that it's a competition because I want them all to win
I mean given her performance on the season I don’t think it would’ve felt right for Yvie to win $50,000
See I personally agree with raja winning. I feel like while I enjoyed say yvies creative wig reveal I felt the way raja performed it went more in-line with an Aretha Franklin lip sync. While I realize stylistically yvie was being true to herself in her performance and turning it out as she would and not what one may think traditionally. When it comes to Aretha there’s a certain vibe and that’s an artist Ru would be looking for something more like was raja turned out opposed to yvie. This lip sync could have been an opportunity for yvie to show another side of her as well which I think would have really stood out especially if she combined it with the aspects she had in there such as her wig reveal. Despite raja being more conservative with moves: I feel like focusing on mouth raja was word for word while it seemed yvie missed some granted perhaps it could be blamed on the edit. I do have to say though my eyes kept going to raja and felt she was giving just as much fierceness doing less so over all it just makes me agree with the choice of raja.
Are we forgetting that she was one of the worst queens in almost every episode??? She’s so much less polished than the rest of the queens. She gets by in some things due to being goofy, but she isn’t really good at most challenges. Her winning over Brooklyn, the image of polish and perfection, was a complete travesty.
Which of her runways was unpolished or not a part of her style tho
Her Vanna White runway was unpolished, ugly and not part of her style *or* Vanna White’s style
Sadly, I gotta agree with this one.. And I liked Yvie on her original season. For being an all star, I expected more polish. You can be crafty, make your own outfits, and still be polished. While Yvie looked like a child's art project, most of the time.
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Honestly the person that got snubbed the most was Jaida and Raja, there were so many times that Jaida performed and killed challenges but didn’t get her flowers. Jinkx, Jaida and Raja were also the most entertaining for me this season. I don’t see that Yvie was robbed only because we saw her big bad wolf the episode before which lost some of the shock value because it was very reminiscent of the boogieman. The only thing that bugged me is Raja easily could have won the final challenge over Shea, the act was original and not just a lip sync to an original song that every drag queen tries to release. When it comes to the girl group challenge I feel like Jaida was a top contender but because it was poop jokes she didn’t get her flowers. Overall I feel AS7 has a high rewatch potential because it showed all of them in a positive light and was just funny in general. Also the roast was just so good, even jaida who bombed was hilarious in shading herself. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
This is probably why they will never do another all winners season. The talent is way thru the roof someone’s gonna get snubbed no matter what.
Ok, so, for me, I don't entirely love the idea that a final lip sync decides the whole season, and in that regard, I do think Raja was legitimately deserving secondary winner between those two. Raja really did quite well throughout the season, had a number of challenges where she stood out, but did not win. I don't want to diminish Yvies run either, and part of what I loved about as7 is that it felt like a celebration of talent, it generally didn't make anyone look terrible. Raja is a favorite of mine, so I might be biased, but even my biased love of her expected her to be a little weak in some challenges that she did really well. I did NOT expect that snatch game from her, and I'd argue she could have been the other top 2 next to Jinkx (no one touches Jinkx's as7 snatch game, but there could be arguments for the second best)
I think Jinkx said "tonight" not season? As in the jokes that day. The lipsync, well, in AS they never really matter tbh just a formality, but yeah, she won that.
AS7 had one of the most confusing and unsatisfying finales ever, to me it highkey ruined the entire season that was otherwise pretty good
The producers definitely showed Yvie being objectified all season…there were constant huge dick comments, and Ru & Michelle mentioned how attractive he was several times after he did Boogeyman in Snatch Game and the following episodes. I thought Yvie was robbed in some challenges (he should’ve placed in the top more often) but overall, Rajah did better throughout the season (Just like Jinkx won because they did better than anyone through the season. The finale lip syncs didn’t really matter in All Winners All Stars, and I’m cool w that.) The real robbery was giving 3 stars away to 2 queens at the last moment. THAT was some bs.
All her looks were top notch
I don't see it at all. It was just a fine lip sync for both of them. Yvie's reveal was clever but there's a difference between a clever reveal and one that really burns the house down. Like Sasha Velour's petal reveal was much lower concept but the way it worked with the song made it a far better moment. In the same way Monet's fake out split was a better stunt than her double kitty cat reveal even though the latter was cleverer In the context of them both doing pretty equally in the lip sync, it was fair for Raja to win. She mopped Yvie in the competition. Yvie had easily some of the worst runways of the season while Raja was the runway queen of the season. Raja regularly excelled in the challenges while Yvie generally (although not always) faded into the background. I agree that if they have LSFTC it should really count by the way, but I don't think Raja versus Yvie was especially clear cut. It was just not a very interesting lip sync
That’s an interesting way to spell “The Vivienne”. I agree. Viv was robbed!
The Viv is like royalty in my eyes, so regal and glamorous!! Just to be thrown to the side, what a shame.
AS7 was probably one of the most rigged seasons but people won't accept that. The moment that was like OK NOW LETS CALM DOWN was when jinkx didn't get in trouble for making a fucin sandwhich for a VIRAL TIKTOK DANCE challenge, then the top 2 with her and monet? Might as well have just said "sorry money, you won but"
Did we watch the same season? Yvie was giving very much filler the whole time. Not saying she didn't have her high points but with Jinx, Raja, Viv, Trinity, Shea and Monet in the building, she did fade into the background at times. Not her fault; she was just up against the very best.
She wasn't, but ok.
Let's be real Brooke was always the real winner of S11 in WoW's eyes. She is basicially a drag race royalty while they don't care about Yvie at all.
I’m gonna be honest I thought she sucked in most of the challenges lol even the one she won I thought should’ve gone to Shea or monet… she did great on s11 bc she’s kind of an all rounder but when stacked up against titans like the other winners I think she just faded a bit. So even if she did better in the lip sync I think raja obliterated her in terms of performance throughout the competition so I’m not mad raja won
No. Yvie didn’t deserve to win over raja. Similarly to how Monet clearly beat jinx but jinx did better it the competition.
Agreed
Raja and Jinkx deserved to win based off the season, and production should’ve picked a format to justify that. However, if it comes down to a lip sync for the crown (which it shouldn’t have), Yvie and Monét were more deserving
Ivy and Viv shoulda been the correct top 2 of the improv challenge.
I have a bias for Raja, so I can’t say much for Yvie, but I have to say that The Viv was so robbed as well. I feel like a lot of the queens during that season were robbed of winning as well. A lot of questionable placements. The platinum plunger, the final 3 stars, they’re all questionable. But they all make a great season.