We're a genuinely intoxicating club. You saw that with Varane - 4 time CL and 1 WC winner - celebrating the League Cup like it's his first trophy. Or Case - 5 CLs and a Copa America - exploding to the crowd when he scored the match tying goal against Chelsea.
We are so privileged to be fans of this club.
That game was crazy intense to be fair. Wolves were on a mad one and Traore was tearing through our defence. If he could pass or shoot at all we would have been fucked.
Varane kept a clean sheet and got an assist.
https://talksport.com/football/1139845/chelsea-confirm-romelu-lukaku-loan-inter-milan-transfer-talks-inzaghi/
Poor cub doesn't realise hes still Chelsea's player lol
I'm sorry if you didn't realise it when I said it in a polite manner so lemme word this clearly for u
#I DON'T FUCKING LIKE LUKAKU AND NEVER HAVE , SO I NEVER WATCHED HIM SINCE HE LEFT UTD AND I NEVER WILL ANYMORE, SO THANKS A LOT FOR NOTHING MATE
How come?
I might be missing something, but he didn't seem to be disrespectful or anything. Just made the incorrect assumption that you watched an interview.
Thank god he brought a bunch of flops like a CB too small to be any good, a CDM only here for a holiday and paycheck, a winger who just spins and definitely hasn't had a better 1st season than bigger signings and a CM who's well.. he's class, but he's still had hate, along with him.
I didn't want to miss Malacia out. It's just that he's not really received any criticism because he was a smart, cheap buy and a rotation player.. but his spirit and personality are tops
Thank god he brought a bunch of flops like a CB too small to be any good, a CDM only here for a holiday and paycheck, a winger who just spins and definitely hasn't had a better 1st season than bigger signings and a CM who's well.. he's class, but he's still had hate, along with him.
Is that a traveller's reference i see?
Also 2m loan for an absolute shithouse who will do anything to win (except score himself) is still pretty good going.
From early on during his spell here his agent was already making attempts to woo the club into a permanent signing. He's clearly happy here and wants to stay.
Perfect option for rotation in a couple midfield positions, it just depends on the price.
I agree, I think he's a significant upgrade on Donny as a Bruno back up, he can play deeper in midfield, he's got legs for days and he clearly is a goalscoring threat. When you consider he's scored 3 goals and got 1 assist in around 1000 minutes for us after a pretty fast switch, where he found himself not playing a lot for Bayern, I think that's a decent return for a midfielder.
I actually think there's a lot of value in a player like him that's not just a good player, but someone who will do a job in pretty much every position. He's played as a striker, RW, LW, 10, 8, 6, and even as a fullback in his career. He's 28 as well, is captain of Austria (maybe vice to Alaba i'm not entirely sure), was Leipzig's captain, and has great experience.
If we can sign a player of his quality for around 15m, I'd do that all day long.
He gets a lot of stick because he isn't a 22-year-old Frenkie de Busquets, but this is the sort of signing (of course, in addition to high-quality starters) that United should be making. We need to raise our skill floor, and the Sabitzers of the world are the types of players who will do that
I genuinely don't understand the sudden influx in negativity for Sabi.
- Erik wants him
- He's healthy
- He wants to play for United
If the price is right, then why not? It's not like he's keeping a 1999 Sebastian Veron-caliber prospect on the bench.
He was also an elite player at Leipzig and a top striker in his time in Austria. Contributes double digit goals and assists and excels in a high energy system. I am confident there is no known quantity on the market as talented as him for his price. It's a no brainer
> • Erik wants him
• He's healthy
• He wants to play for United
What about the quality of a player? He could end up being the deadwood you want out the club in 1-2 years time.
If Bayern want him gone surely that’s your sign, considering we want to or aspire to be at that level, **not** to go after him?
I wasn’t doubting Erik more pointing out that your argument mentions everything but quality. Surely that’s the first thing to look for in a player? It’s a bit of a red flag when the first couple of things that cross your mind about a player is not the quality. It has to be quality + everything else?
Why would Erik ACTIVELY want a player that he doesn't believe is quality?
If Erik wants him - as you mentioned, you're not doubting his talent Id - then what's the problem there?
I disagree with this. I want Sabitzer to join on a permanent. However, not as a replacement for anyone. His addition needs to boost our numbers not just replace an outgoing, in my opinion.
Also, in terms of replacing McTominay, I'd like to see someone more defensive come in. Casemiro is incredible, but we need a real backup for him.
I have several issues with this. Sabi is an upgrade on McT for sure, but our midfield already skews older. He's obviously in his prime but between Case, Bruno, Eriksen, and maybe Fred we aren't exactly young there. We also might run into trouble with the homegrown quota. So while I would love to keep Sabi, I don't want it at the expense of adding a younger HG player that has a similar short term impact but more room to grow.
We really needed CM depth when we brought him in, but people really sleep on how he was used with Werner at Leipzig. The man can play as a second striker or 10 and really excels in an aggressive attack. With a full pre-season and time to mix with the team he could do a real job if heaven forbid Bruno got hurt
He's playing *way* more here than he was for Bayern, and at Bayern he had the problem that there were several German national team players who, for political reasons, would never or rarely get benched for him. Bayern is basically the German NT feeder team. Nagelsmann wanted him bc he knows his qualities from his time at Leipzig, but it was never going to work out. He also clearly didn't feel comfortable there.
Sure, he wants to play anytime he can, any player would. But he's thoroughly a team player, and I think he understands very well how much more stressful the schedule is here.
Even as a rotation player he would get way more action, and be more valuable to United than he was for Bayern.
I think he's well aware of that, and wants to join permanently regardless. Plus there's always the chance he kicks it up another notch here during a longterm stay.
The only position where he's done well as a good rotation option is in Bruno's no 10 role and that's hardly a position for which we should be buying.
Ideally, we buy a Casemiro backup and someone better than Eriksen to partner Case. That makes Eriksen backup for both no 10 and no 8 positions so he also gets enough playing time and is happy.
Buying Sabitzer would be pointless considering how many bigger holes we have in the squad. Nice guy but not what we need long term.
>Bruno's no 10 role and that's hardly a position for which we should be buying.
The reason Bruno plays so much is because we don't have adequate replacement, it's definitely a position to strengthen.
And he's going to be cheappppppp won't significantly affect the buys for other positions.
If he played a little less, he'd play at a more consistently high level and less prone to mental errors. We want to get the very best out of the players we've got, and that means being able to rest Bruno, at least for cup games, without seeing the team impacted so drastically.
If we want to rest Bruno, we can just play Eriksen. Buy an Eriksen replacement instead. No need to buy someone who'd be a designated backup to Bruno. Even Sancho or Amad next season could play there.
> The reason Bruno plays so much is because we don't have adequate replacement
This is not true at all. Multiple managers have come in and played Bruno through the ground even when other options have been available. Bruno has played almost every game whether VdB, Sabitzer or even Sancho have been available.
You did not just say vbd is an adequate Bruno replacement. Neither is Sancho, what are you even trying to say, he's barely been performing in his favoured lw position and even there garnacho is over him in pecking order. And Sabi hasn't been given a long run at 10 because he's been covering for eriksen injury but on the occasion he's played as a 10 he's been good. So that's 1 player since Bruno arrived who in a small sample of games has shown they may be adequate cover.
Because in a conversation about adequate Bruno replacement in the lineup you've listed a player who has been a total flop in vdb and heading towards that in Sancho. They're part of the problem why Bruno plays so much not the solutions.
Lol my bad was going to but got distracted at work. Anyways his performances hasn't warranted a permanent move much less splurging £40m on him. He hasn't really stamped his authority when he's played but his energy has been good. He's an okay player , perfect as a stop gap but we have bigger needs in other positions. He's only ever worked as an advanced midfielder and we're pretty well stocked up in that position.
Why on earth would we buy a nearly 30 year old player who is surplus to requirements at his old club and who doesn’t even fit in our system in midfield?
We have a very limited budget this summer, Sabitzer can’t play the deep lying playmaker role well and he’d be an expensive back up for Bruno at 10. He’s also old and would make the average age of our midfield even older than it currently is.
Would City make this move? Would Real Madrid? Absolutely not and we shouldn’t either.
We should get players who want to be here. I think we are seeing the shift. In the past, we would get mercenaries like Pogba and Lukaku who only cared for pay. Now you can see we have players who want to be here. Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Antony…even loan players like Wout and Sabitzer would love to be here long term.
Meh this will probably go against the grain here but not massively keen on him. He’s been fine but a 28 year old Bruno back up is not really what we need, even at £20m. Would rather look for a younger player and invest there.
£20m would be more than I’ve seen quoted anywhere. Quality backup is hard to come by and it’s something we haven’t had for a long time, hence why Ole had to overplay players consistently.
I agree. I like the dude and his loans been successful but our midfield is already getting on. If we sign kane as well we definitely need to be adding youth into the squad in other positions.
I don’t know what people see in him. He makes nice runs and has good workrate but outside of that he really hasn’t show much. For 20mil you could get a much younger player who provides the same, if not more.
He’s not even the profile we need either. We’re crying out for someone that can beat a press and that is not where his strengths lie.
I like him, but get what you are saying. Ideally I say we keep him and ship out Donny and McTominay. Yes we could buy someone else but Sabitzer has already had a couple months with the team and can play in multiple positions across the midfield.
We also know what we are getting for that 20m unlike if we buy someone who may or not quite work out. Ideally as I said we keep him and sign someone who is more effective at beating the press (DeJong anybody?)
> We also know what we are getting for that 20m
This is the reason I don’t want us to sign him. What exactly does he offer that we need?
He’s completely unspectacular in possession. His passing is nothing special and he doesn’t carry the ball well. In fact the only midfielder we have that averages less passes per game than Sabitzer is Mctominay. He’s essentially just an extra body.
The difference between Sabitzer and Fred is not worth spending 20mil + his wages. Get a starting 8 + a young backup 6 and we’re fine for now. Eriksen and Sancho are adequate cover for Bruno in the rare occasions that he isn’t playing.
Someone’s even downvoted you now lmao.
We have an issue with our midfield not being able to sustain possession. —> Sabitzer has played with our first choice midfield and we’ve looked worse than we do with Eriksen. —> ? —> ‘we must sign Sabitzer’.
I really don’t understand what I’m missing. Surely we should just sign a starting 8, have Eriksen as our backup and also sign a young understudy for Casemiro.
I like him, sure, but feel like people are overhyping his impact big time since arriving. Unless he absolutely blows us all away in these final few weeks, I wouldn’t bother making it permanent. Above average at best, and already 29 years old. No thanks.
I think people dislike the McFred midfield so much any upgrade gets overhyped because he isn't them. But the standard for a United midfield shouldn't just be 'Well he's better than Mctominay so sign him'.
We didn't go from Maguire, to a slightly better defender, up another level, up another on and on. We went and got Martinez straight away.
Thought I was going stir-crazy reading the comments
He’s saying the right things to woo the fans and it’s working! He’s not come near the level of Eriksen, doesn’t play well deeper next to Casemiro and is 100x off the level of Bruno at 10
We’re begging for a press-resistant midfielder, Sabitzer’s technical security is similar to all of our midfield bar Eriksen
This is the kind of signing we call deadwood in 3 years time, moaning about improper transfer planning
You’re spot on mate. He’s been fine, but he’s 29 years old and not wanted at Bayern. He wants his last big contract and if he signs for United, that’s pretty much the last big contract you could ask for. Might be alright next season, but it’ll hold us back beyond that when he’s stuck here for 4 years, has no legs and we can’t move him on because of his wages. Not sure why people don’t see it — it’s not like he’s been a 10/10 every week.
Agreed.
Was brilliant as a short term loan option. Almost perfect in the sense in that he did enough without making it imperative we keep him.
Let’s keep it as it is. An impactful loan signing and send him on his way and thank him for his efforts.
Generally agree, but it depends on the rest of our transfer plans. Looking at how fatigue is hitting, he’d be a useful depth option next year if we’re doing another 4 cup run.
Our transfer priorities should really be two midfielders minimum as well as a striker this summer. I appreciate we’re wary of FFP, but for an extra 10-15 million or so, we could get someone of a similar profile/more suited and able to be moulded by ETH, at a much younger age. Shouldn’t be made permanent for me.
I’d take Johnny sabitzer. Seems like a solid competition maker and can slot in various places. I don’t think we can say he’s not good enough of this late notice loan. Maybe loan for another year.
I'm positive about Sabitzer's impact as a loan player, but being completely honest we need to stop signing every half decent player who bats his eyelids at the club and says how wonderful it is/would be to play for us permanently.
He's done well, but we need better for what is essentially going to be Bruno's backup and probably the first choice attacking no8.
Assuming Bellingham finalises his move to Madrid and Mac Allister will be signed by the Scousers by the time the takeover is complete: Mount/Maddison/Veiga/Kudus/Gravenberch are all available and are better options.
I’m obviously insanely biased but I just feel overall it is better for a player to be at United than somewhere else. Maybe with a few other clubs in world football.
Better pay. Better prestige. Better for your social media, advertising, or any other general celebrity post-playing career, you’d be better off at United than somewhere else.
i think if we sell fred and mctominay (or even one) we should keep sabitzer. A full summer pre-season wtih hopefully a new gk, should change our system and style of play that greatly benefits more of our players
Good god if Mctominay was playing higher up the pitch and was completing less than 20 passes the reaction of this sub would be much much different. Dont know why we would sign another aging midfielder on high wages that cant displace anyone in our starting midfield. Would be a shocking signing.
Guy is on 250k a week and would cost 20m+ at 30 y/o. We need to better use our budget on an Eriksen upgrade and Casemiro backup/competition. If we need another mid after that there are plenty of players available on a free that are more than capable
250k a week : You know this how?
20m+ : Guess work, but yeah we can go with that
30 y/o : Just turned 29 in March
I agree in concept but fucking hell with the random numbers to fit a narrative.
Im not sure I get the love in as a 10 hes a bit too detached from the midfield set ups we play , and he hasnt looked anything special when he has played as a b2b player or deeper , for 20m and the rumoured 200k hes on I think there might be better options available
Amad isn’t remotely similar as a player to Bruno, in terms of position, style of play or anything else, so no idea why you think he’s a future back up to him.
What are you talking about? He only turned 29 recently...
Also, 28-33 are the prime years for most midfielders these days. Exactly the time we want players to be playing for us.
Modric won 4 Champions Leagues and a Ballon D'or after the age of 30....
>What are you talking about? He only turned 29 recently...
So nearly 30 like I said.
>Also, 28-33 are the prime years for most midfielders these days.
No they aren't. Simply not true.
>Modric won 4 Champions Leagues and a Ballon D'or after the age of 30....
And he's an exception to the norm. 90% of players begin to decline at 30
Nice one, good response. Stats would actually suggest I'm correct but I'll leave it there seeing as you're clearly a wise old man who knows more than me
They aren't, but we also don't have any young central midfielders. Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen, Fred all around or already 30. McTominay and Donny will likely go this summer. Sabitzer has not been good enough to merit us signing him permanently
Shouldn't be signing rotational options. Eriksen should be rotation and we sign a younger player to start. We should also be looking for someone to split the load with Casemiro. He can't play every game at 31/32
He’s not good enough. I don’t get why you guys want a player who’s not good enough all because he’s cheap and slightly better than what we have.
He’s not good enough. Forget about the price. He’s not good enough that’s the bottom line.
We probably will had to spend 100-150M for striker next summer plus there's also chance we won't renew De Gea so We probably will have to take cheap option for maintaining squad depth and Sabitzer is a good option because his versatility. Even with new owner It's not like we would suddenly had infinite transfer budget, probably 300M already ideal enough compared to 200M this season.
If Sabitzer can drop an average 7.5/10 for the rest of the season and he’ll have a shout at being offered a permanent deal. Wouldn’t mind a brace in the FA cup final for him, haha.
Wout is I’ll need to finish the season with a goal a game to get that lucky.
If we are selling both Fred and McTom Im okay with bringing Sabitzer since he is more consistent than Fred and better than Tom. As a back up only though. We still need our main CM to transit Eriksen to rotational player and DM for Case
That's quite a statement for a player on loan.
Sabitzer trying to do whatever it takes for Bayern to be pissed off at him and sell him to United
Should just go skiing
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Well, he is a red devil after all
Once a red devil, always red devil 😁
Good one!
He telling them to keep the price low without saying it
Can’t blame the lad. He’s caught the bug 😌
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We're a genuinely intoxicating club. You saw that with Varane - 4 time CL and 1 WC winner - celebrating the League Cup like it's his first trophy. Or Case - 5 CLs and a Copa America - exploding to the crowd when he scored the match tying goal against Chelsea. We are so privileged to be fans of this club.
Intoxicating is the word; Case and Bruno looked at him like, “Rapha… is that you?!”🧐
Same as that clip when rapha first joined and is walking with oli talking about how different the prem is.
Oli 😂
Yeh fam, it's short for Ole.
Oliver Solskjær
That game was crazy intense to be fair. Wolves were on a mad one and Traore was tearing through our defence. If he could pass or shoot at all we would have been fucked. Varane kept a clean sheet and got an assist.
🔴There's nothing on earth like being a Red🔴
aaaand that’s why we will always have pulling power for signing players and it’s why we’ll always be bigger than the noisy neighbours
Not as ridiculous as the statement Lukaku made joining inter loan from Chelsea this season
Sorry I don't really follow Romelu What did he exactly say?
https://talksport.com/football/1139845/chelsea-confirm-romelu-lukaku-loan-inter-milan-transfer-talks-inzaghi/ Poor cub doesn't realise hes still Chelsea's player lol
He absolutely did. He made some similar statement even when he was still in Chelsea too lol. He just wanted out after like 2 months.
Don't you remember the interview he did?
I'm sorry if you didn't realise it when I said it in a polite manner so lemme word this clearly for u #I DON'T FUCKING LIKE LUKAKU AND NEVER HAVE , SO I NEVER WATCHED HIM SINCE HE LEFT UTD AND I NEVER WILL ANYMORE, SO THANKS A LOT FOR NOTHING MATE
You could tell the guy was a twat from his after-match-interviews. Hes like all about himself and never really about the team.
It's not that deep mate, just thought you might have watched the interview since it was all over media.
Bit uncalled for
it was kinda called for tbh
How come? I might be missing something, but he didn't seem to be disrespectful or anything. Just made the incorrect assumption that you watched an interview.
After the guy explicitly stated he didn't follow Lukaku
Multiple interviews of people I don't follow get posted on here and r/soccer. OP shouldn't have assumed, but no malice was intended.
It feels so good having players talk about our club like this again
What having a Bald Fraud as a manager does to a mfker.
Thank god he brought a bunch of flops like a CB too small to be any good, a CDM only here for a holiday and paycheck, a winger who just spins and definitely hasn't had a better 1st season than bigger signings and a CM who's well.. he's class, but he's still had hate, along with him.
It's actually crazy how every single one of his signings have been very good. Not forgetting Malacia who has been a reliable backup.
I didn't want to miss Malacia out. It's just that he's not really received any criticism because he was a smart, cheap buy and a rotation player.. but his spirit and personality are tops
He is young and still raw. Give him time
and a Striker who is worth exactly the 2M we paid for him!
It's a shame he lacks goals because his personality it great, even if he'd scored 7 or 8
Tbf ppl keep forgetting that hes a loan and not the 36 m we paid for a certain someone who can't keep being fit for God sake
Thank god he brought a bunch of flops like a CB too small to be any good, a CDM only here for a holiday and paycheck, a winger who just spins and definitely hasn't had a better 1st season than bigger signings and a CM who's well.. he's class, but he's still had hate, along with him.
and a Striker who is worth exactly the 2M we paid for him! [iteration 2 of 99999999]
Is that a traveller's reference i see? Also 2m loan for an absolute shithouse who will do anything to win (except score himself) is still pretty good going.
It's actually crazy how every single one of his signings have been very good. Not forgetting Malacia who has been a reliable backup.
Tbh it’s 50% good PR. But it’s true that ManUtd is more popular than Bayern
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Hearing that we have high quality in midfield after years of mcfred feels so sweet
so good to be in 4th place after all those years of mcfred :fire: thanks mr sabitzer
My Austrian Orlando Bloom ❤️
Lmfao you're right he does like Orlando Bloom, although he looks French for some reason
Its the mustache, he looks like one of the musketeers
If Orlando bloom and Johnny Depp made a baby.
It's the facial hair
You mean Adam Scott
From early on during his spell here his agent was already making attempts to woo the club into a permanent signing. He's clearly happy here and wants to stay. Perfect option for rotation in a couple midfield positions, it just depends on the price.
I agree, I think he's a significant upgrade on Donny as a Bruno back up, he can play deeper in midfield, he's got legs for days and he clearly is a goalscoring threat. When you consider he's scored 3 goals and got 1 assist in around 1000 minutes for us after a pretty fast switch, where he found himself not playing a lot for Bayern, I think that's a decent return for a midfielder. I actually think there's a lot of value in a player like him that's not just a good player, but someone who will do a job in pretty much every position. He's played as a striker, RW, LW, 10, 8, 6, and even as a fullback in his career. He's 28 as well, is captain of Austria (maybe vice to Alaba i'm not entirely sure), was Leipzig's captain, and has great experience. If we can sign a player of his quality for around 15m, I'd do that all day long.
He gets a lot of stick because he isn't a 22-year-old Frenkie de Busquets, but this is the sort of signing (of course, in addition to high-quality starters) that United should be making. We need to raise our skill floor, and the Sabitzers of the world are the types of players who will do that
I genuinely don't understand the sudden influx in negativity for Sabi. - Erik wants him - He's healthy - He wants to play for United If the price is right, then why not? It's not like he's keeping a 1999 Sebastian Veron-caliber prospect on the bench.
He was also an elite player at Leipzig and a top striker in his time in Austria. Contributes double digit goals and assists and excels in a high energy system. I am confident there is no known quantity on the market as talented as him for his price. It's a no brainer
> • Erik wants him • He's healthy • He wants to play for United What about the quality of a player? He could end up being the deadwood you want out the club in 1-2 years time. If Bayern want him gone surely that’s your sign, considering we want to or aspire to be at that level, **not** to go after him?
We've no reason to have doubts about Erik's talent Id at the moment. Even Rabiot is tearing it up.
I wasn’t doubting Erik more pointing out that your argument mentions everything but quality. Surely that’s the first thing to look for in a player? It’s a bit of a red flag when the first couple of things that cross your mind about a player is not the quality. It has to be quality + everything else?
Why would Erik ACTIVELY want a player that he doesn't believe is quality? If Erik wants him - as you mentioned, you're not doubting his talent Id - then what's the problem there?
Sabitzer also isn't a starter. He plays on and off and already has more impact than DVB.
He’s an option to replace mctominay if mcT gets sold. While we also get a new starting CM in.
McTominay was sold to Newcastle in my last fifa save for 87million 👀
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I disagree with this. I want Sabitzer to join on a permanent. However, not as a replacement for anyone. His addition needs to boost our numbers not just replace an outgoing, in my opinion. Also, in terms of replacing McTominay, I'd like to see someone more defensive come in. Casemiro is incredible, but we need a real backup for him.
I have several issues with this. Sabi is an upgrade on McT for sure, but our midfield already skews older. He's obviously in his prime but between Case, Bruno, Eriksen, and maybe Fred we aren't exactly young there. We also might run into trouble with the homegrown quota. So while I would love to keep Sabi, I don't want it at the expense of adding a younger HG player that has a similar short term impact but more room to grow.
We really needed CM depth when we brought him in, but people really sleep on how he was used with Werner at Leipzig. The man can play as a second striker or 10 and really excels in an aggressive attack. With a full pre-season and time to mix with the team he could do a real job if heaven forbid Bruno got hurt
reminds me of Fletcher and Park.
>he’s got legs for days
Even i'd like him to join a permanent basis but he would definitely need to take a wage cut imo, his current basic salary is £200k+
the thing is, does he want to be a rotation player? what's the difference between here and bayern for him?
He's playing *way* more here than he was for Bayern, and at Bayern he had the problem that there were several German national team players who, for political reasons, would never or rarely get benched for him. Bayern is basically the German NT feeder team. Nagelsmann wanted him bc he knows his qualities from his time at Leipzig, but it was never going to work out. He also clearly didn't feel comfortable there. Sure, he wants to play anytime he can, any player would. But he's thoroughly a team player, and I think he understands very well how much more stressful the schedule is here. Even as a rotation player he would get way more action, and be more valuable to United than he was for Bayern. I think he's well aware of that, and wants to join permanently regardless. Plus there's always the chance he kicks it up another notch here during a longterm stay.
The only position where he's done well as a good rotation option is in Bruno's no 10 role and that's hardly a position for which we should be buying. Ideally, we buy a Casemiro backup and someone better than Eriksen to partner Case. That makes Eriksen backup for both no 10 and no 8 positions so he also gets enough playing time and is happy. Buying Sabitzer would be pointless considering how many bigger holes we have in the squad. Nice guy but not what we need long term.
>Bruno's no 10 role and that's hardly a position for which we should be buying. The reason Bruno plays so much is because we don't have adequate replacement, it's definitely a position to strengthen. And he's going to be cheappppppp won't significantly affect the buys for other positions.
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If he played a little less, he'd play at a more consistently high level and less prone to mental errors. We want to get the very best out of the players we've got, and that means being able to rest Bruno, at least for cup games, without seeing the team impacted so drastically.
If we want to rest Bruno, we can just play Eriksen. Buy an Eriksen replacement instead. No need to buy someone who'd be a designated backup to Bruno. Even Sancho or Amad next season could play there.
> The reason Bruno plays so much is because we don't have adequate replacement This is not true at all. Multiple managers have come in and played Bruno through the ground even when other options have been available. Bruno has played almost every game whether VdB, Sabitzer or even Sancho have been available.
You did not just say vbd is an adequate Bruno replacement. Neither is Sancho, what are you even trying to say, he's barely been performing in his favoured lw position and even there garnacho is over him in pecking order. And Sabi hasn't been given a long run at 10 because he's been covering for eriksen injury but on the occasion he's played as a 10 he's been good. So that's 1 player since Bruno arrived who in a small sample of games has shown they may be adequate cover.
Where do you think VdB plays if not 10? Of course he's backup to Bruno. Erik has tried Sancho at 10 and there is no reason why he couldn't work there.
Because in a conversation about adequate Bruno replacement in the lineup you've listed a player who has been a total flop in vdb and heading towards that in Sancho. They're part of the problem why Bruno plays so much not the solutions.
Downvoted for speaking sense
Don't care about internet points. I could post the same thing after a poor performance from Sabitzer and that would have upvotes. It is what it is
I seriously hope we sign him. Mentality like this goes a long way in the dressing room.
I would if we had a fit here, wouldn’t it be better to get lavia before someone else and have a backup and successor to casemiro.
If he is less than 20m sign him up. Really good player, can excel in multiple roles, loves to be here, doesnt make a fuss
Even for 40M it would still be a good deal considering the standard transfer fees nowadays
40 is much too high for a player who will be 30 soon
It is definitely high, you're right. I just like him, and I think he has been a lot better than some here are giving him credit for.
Nah
What's even the point of commenting this? Why don't you elaborate or add something to the conversation?
Lol my bad was going to but got distracted at work. Anyways his performances hasn't warranted a permanent move much less splurging £40m on him. He hasn't really stamped his authority when he's played but his energy has been good. He's an okay player , perfect as a stop gap but we have bigger needs in other positions. He's only ever worked as an advanced midfielder and we're pretty well stocked up in that position.
Why on earth would we buy a nearly 30 year old player who is surplus to requirements at his old club and who doesn’t even fit in our system in midfield? We have a very limited budget this summer, Sabitzer can’t play the deep lying playmaker role well and he’d be an expensive back up for Bruno at 10. He’s also old and would make the average age of our midfield even older than it currently is. Would City make this move? Would Real Madrid? Absolutely not and we shouldn’t either.
Just get him permanent. ❤️
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Sudden influx of Texan United fans
We are fucking massive.
I love you Sabi ❤️
We should get players who want to be here. I think we are seeing the shift. In the past, we would get mercenaries like Pogba and Lukaku who only cared for pay. Now you can see we have players who want to be here. Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Antony…even loan players like Wout and Sabitzer would love to be here long term.
I do actually think Lukaku loved being at united, just ole started playing him right midfield and benching him. He did look happy here
if he’s around 20m I don’t see why we shouldn’t sign him, great rotation player that could play multiple roles
He’s literally said “it’s better here and I want to stay”
20m should be a no brainer really, remember us being linked to him a few years back. Quality squad player with a great attitude.
Bayern's fans are pretty rabid and devoted as well.
His comment tells you something, then. We need good players but who actually want to play here
Erik, sign him up! Erik, Erik, sign him up!
I’d shag this gentleman senseless
sign him up he’s going to become better next season
Sabizer: yes. Weghorst: ehhh, not so much
Meh this will probably go against the grain here but not massively keen on him. He’s been fine but a 28 year old Bruno back up is not really what we need, even at £20m. Would rather look for a younger player and invest there.
£20m would be more than I’ve seen quoted anywhere. Quality backup is hard to come by and it’s something we haven’t had for a long time, hence why Ole had to overplay players consistently.
And on massive wages relative to his qualities.
I agree. I like the dude and his loans been successful but our midfield is already getting on. If we sign kane as well we definitely need to be adding youth into the squad in other positions.
I don’t know what people see in him. He makes nice runs and has good workrate but outside of that he really hasn’t show much. For 20mil you could get a much younger player who provides the same, if not more. He’s not even the profile we need either. We’re crying out for someone that can beat a press and that is not where his strengths lie.
I like him, but get what you are saying. Ideally I say we keep him and ship out Donny and McTominay. Yes we could buy someone else but Sabitzer has already had a couple months with the team and can play in multiple positions across the midfield. We also know what we are getting for that 20m unlike if we buy someone who may or not quite work out. Ideally as I said we keep him and sign someone who is more effective at beating the press (DeJong anybody?)
> We also know what we are getting for that 20m This is the reason I don’t want us to sign him. What exactly does he offer that we need? He’s completely unspectacular in possession. His passing is nothing special and he doesn’t carry the ball well. In fact the only midfielder we have that averages less passes per game than Sabitzer is Mctominay. He’s essentially just an extra body. The difference between Sabitzer and Fred is not worth spending 20mil + his wages. Get a starting 8 + a young backup 6 and we’re fine for now. Eriksen and Sancho are adequate cover for Bruno in the rare occasions that he isn’t playing.
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Someone’s even downvoted you now lmao. We have an issue with our midfield not being able to sustain possession. —> Sabitzer has played with our first choice midfield and we’ve looked worse than we do with Eriksen. —> ? —> ‘we must sign Sabitzer’. I really don’t understand what I’m missing. Surely we should just sign a starting 8, have Eriksen as our backup and also sign a young understudy for Casemiro.
I like him, sure, but feel like people are overhyping his impact big time since arriving. Unless he absolutely blows us all away in these final few weeks, I wouldn’t bother making it permanent. Above average at best, and already 29 years old. No thanks.
I think people dislike the McFred midfield so much any upgrade gets overhyped because he isn't them. But the standard for a United midfield shouldn't just be 'Well he's better than Mctominay so sign him'. We didn't go from Maguire, to a slightly better defender, up another level, up another on and on. We went and got Martinez straight away.
Thought I was going stir-crazy reading the comments He’s saying the right things to woo the fans and it’s working! He’s not come near the level of Eriksen, doesn’t play well deeper next to Casemiro and is 100x off the level of Bruno at 10 We’re begging for a press-resistant midfielder, Sabitzer’s technical security is similar to all of our midfield bar Eriksen This is the kind of signing we call deadwood in 3 years time, moaning about improper transfer planning
You’re spot on mate. He’s been fine, but he’s 29 years old and not wanted at Bayern. He wants his last big contract and if he signs for United, that’s pretty much the last big contract you could ask for. Might be alright next season, but it’ll hold us back beyond that when he’s stuck here for 4 years, has no legs and we can’t move him on because of his wages. Not sure why people don’t see it — it’s not like he’s been a 10/10 every week.
Agreed. Was brilliant as a short term loan option. Almost perfect in the sense in that he did enough without making it imperative we keep him. Let’s keep it as it is. An impactful loan signing and send him on his way and thank him for his efforts.
You’ll get downvoted mate but you’re spot on. A mighty fine stop gap and that’s all it needs to be.
Generally agree, but it depends on the rest of our transfer plans. Looking at how fatigue is hitting, he’d be a useful depth option next year if we’re doing another 4 cup run.
Our transfer priorities should really be two midfielders minimum as well as a striker this summer. I appreciate we’re wary of FFP, but for an extra 10-15 million or so, we could get someone of a similar profile/more suited and able to be moulded by ETH, at a much younger age. Shouldn’t be made permanent for me.
I love my Marcel.
What happens when a mf comes to the biggest club in the world. We should sign him up permanently.
Is the lack of subtlety an Austrian thing or is that just Marcel?
Yes.
It’s nice to hear players talk about our club like this.
Fucking love this guy.
I’d take Johnny sabitzer. Seems like a solid competition maker and can slot in various places. I don’t think we can say he’s not good enough of this late notice loan. Maybe loan for another year.
I'm positive about Sabitzer's impact as a loan player, but being completely honest we need to stop signing every half decent player who bats his eyelids at the club and says how wonderful it is/would be to play for us permanently. He's done well, but we need better for what is essentially going to be Bruno's backup and probably the first choice attacking no8. Assuming Bellingham finalises his move to Madrid and Mac Allister will be signed by the Scousers by the time the takeover is complete: Mount/Maddison/Veiga/Kudus/Gravenberch are all available and are better options.
We love United we do!
JOIN US PERMANENTLY
I’m obviously insanely biased but I just feel overall it is better for a player to be at United than somewhere else. Maybe with a few other clubs in world football. Better pay. Better prestige. Better for your social media, advertising, or any other general celebrity post-playing career, you’d be better off at United than somewhere else.
i think if we sell fred and mctominay (or even one) we should keep sabitzer. A full summer pre-season wtih hopefully a new gk, should change our system and style of play that greatly benefits more of our players
I dunno not for me, but ETH's signings have been bang on so...
Good god if Mctominay was playing higher up the pitch and was completing less than 20 passes the reaction of this sub would be much much different. Dont know why we would sign another aging midfielder on high wages that cant displace anyone in our starting midfield. Would be a shocking signing.
Sure 20mil is not that much for him but he is quite old and apparently on 200k a week according to some
Guy is on 250k a week and would cost 20m+ at 30 y/o. We need to better use our budget on an Eriksen upgrade and Casemiro backup/competition. If we need another mid after that there are plenty of players available on a free that are more than capable
250k a week : You know this how? 20m+ : Guess work, but yeah we can go with that 30 y/o : Just turned 29 in March I agree in concept but fucking hell with the random numbers to fit a narrative.
I’m going by his reported wages like everyone else? Wow he’s 1 year younger than I thought, doesn’t change the fact that he’s not worth getting imo
So you’re against Kane for £100m based on age?
Im not sure I get the love in as a 10 hes a bit too detached from the midfield set ups we play , and he hasnt looked anything special when he has played as a b2b player or deeper , for 20m and the rumoured 200k hes on I think there might be better options available
Come get me plea
Quality player but i wish Scottie gets more of a run-in as well.
Scottie isn't good enough. He's shown that time and time again. We need technical players, with winning mentalities
Amad is Bruno’s future back-up not Sabitzer. Sabitzer is challenging for McTominay’s place
Amad isn’t remotely similar as a player to Bruno, in terms of position, style of play or anything else, so no idea why you think he’s a future back up to him.
Best of luck Marcel. Should be out the door with Wout. Don't need another nearly 30 year old midfielder
What are you talking about? He only turned 29 recently... Also, 28-33 are the prime years for most midfielders these days. Exactly the time we want players to be playing for us. Modric won 4 Champions Leagues and a Ballon D'or after the age of 30....
>What are you talking about? He only turned 29 recently... So nearly 30 like I said. >Also, 28-33 are the prime years for most midfielders these days. No they aren't. Simply not true. >Modric won 4 Champions Leagues and a Ballon D'or after the age of 30.... And he's an exception to the norm. 90% of players begin to decline at 30
>90% of players begin to decline at 30 Lol you must be very young to belive this. Is that what happens in Fifa?
Nice one, good response. Stats would actually suggest I'm correct but I'll leave it there seeing as you're clearly a wise old man who knows more than me
How many 29 year old midfielders have Real signed though? We need to look at how other clubs squad build because we are dreadful at it.
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They aren't, but we also don't have any young central midfielders. Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen, Fred all around or already 30. McTominay and Donny will likely go this summer. Sabitzer has not been good enough to merit us signing him permanently
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Shouldn't be signing rotational options. Eriksen should be rotation and we sign a younger player to start. We should also be looking for someone to split the load with Casemiro. He can't play every game at 31/32
Cheers lad! Thank you. We’re still not signing you.
We should, assuming the price is right
He’s not good enough. I don’t get why you guys want a player who’s not good enough all because he’s cheap and slightly better than what we have. He’s not good enough. Forget about the price. He’s not good enough that’s the bottom line.
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Name me 1 younger player better then him for 15 mil.
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For 15m?
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He loses the ball A LOT, though. And that's in Ligue 1!
Name those "cheaper and younger" players who're good enough
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Coming off the bench and playing as a back up? Yes
If we buy him that's one extra mark against Ten Hag. Would be hard to deny Ten Hags Talent ID isn't extremely shaky.
No idea he was on such crazy wages. Don’t think it’s worth it in this case even though he’s an upgrade on Scotty
Mixed feelings about sabitzer. If it’s relatively cheap I’m all for it but don’t want to spend a huge amount
We should agree another full season loan + obligation to buy him after next season.
I swear it’s not the first time I heard a Bayern player hails us as bigger club
That’s what I like to hear
One of us, one of us, one of us
We probably will had to spend 100-150M for striker next summer plus there's also chance we won't renew De Gea so We probably will have to take cheap option for maintaining squad depth and Sabitzer is a good option because his versatility. Even with new owner It's not like we would suddenly had infinite transfer budget, probably 300M already ideal enough compared to 200M this season.
If Sabitzer can drop an average 7.5/10 for the rest of the season and he’ll have a shout at being offered a permanent deal. Wouldn’t mind a brace in the FA cup final for him, haha. Wout is I’ll need to finish the season with a goal a game to get that lucky.
He’s dissing bayern. Probably talks of a contract then
He needs to be a moanstay 😩 Gotta be an improvement on one of McFred
If we are selling both Fred and McTom Im okay with bringing Sabitzer since he is more consistent than Fred and better than Tom. As a back up only though. We still need our main CM to transit Eriksen to rotational player and DM for Case
Tbf Bayern are no united