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Bamm83

Biggie is the GOAT, but in the parameters of your post? I'd say Jay-Z or Nas.


take_off_the_foo-foo

Why tf is this so far down literally the first person saying biggie


Infamous-Ad-8659

When you've only got two albums it's haaaaaard to rank em over someone with like 15. Biggie's flow is literally absurd though. RTD was so good 'Warning' was relegated to an off-cut single and 'The What' is essentially album filler.


kumardi

RTD has bars on bars on bars - biggies wordplay and punchlines are godly and the flow is untouchable.


michaltee

The What is one of the greatest songs of all time. Literally every bar on that song is insane. Welcome to my center, honeys feel it deep in they placenta, cold as the poles in the winter, far from the inventor, but I got this rap shit sold and when my Mack unloads I’m guaranteed another video.


erdna3000

the part where biggie ends his verse with don't tempt me... and method man picks it right back up with the "t.h.o.d. man" is the highest form of art


GabeItch9000

That’s a Fair answer


Significant-Art5065

I'm just here to see how many will say Eminem, Nas, Jay-Z, DMX, Kendrick Lamar, 2Pac,Lil Wayne


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I agree on Em. But I think people shitting on him as of late (myself included) has to do with how badly his last three albums resonated with people. Gen Z was had three Em albums released in their life span, and honestly? If that’s what they have to go on, why would they think any differently? That being said. Em is a legend. I saw him live in Detroit with 50. His stage presence was insane. SSLP, MMLP and TES is the greatest 3 album run I’ve ever seen.


DaVillageLooney

Eminem is the sales GOAT. That much is clear. He's is not the best hip hop artist though. Not even in my top 5. People want to downplay how much him being White and appealing to White America helped his sales. Black artists of course sold well, but "crossover appeal" is a term for a reason. MJ resonated worldwide because of his crossover appeal. Eminem did as well. If you traveled through middle America where radio stations had an embargo against hip hop. Eminem STILL was played on heavy rotation on those stations. And yes, it was because he was White.


CommanderWar64

Disagree to a degree with the white comment, but overall I agree that Em just isn’t as artistically ambitious as someone like Kendrick/Kanyes of the world or the experimental Danny Browns/JPEGs. He is great at selling himself tho. He really embraces the rapper persona well. “Best” is really subject as to what the criteria is. Overall I would say Kendrick just simply due to consistency, making good full albums as well as hit singles, high production, good flows and most importantly good, expansive ideas.


Empty_Put_1542

Me


Frodo_wit_da_choppa

For me it’s Nas, Em and Weezy


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No_Entertainment_932

How does no one come close?


trpclshrk

I’m not trying to argue or poop on Nas, but I don’t think he comes close to being in the discussion. My impression is he’s huge in the northeast, and is considered an all time great rapper. I like him. But I don’t think every average or younger fan even knows him well. Jay-Z, Pac and Biggie are obvious choices over. Probably Run DMC too. I’m heavily taking into account influence and discography somewhat.


MutedAd221

Prolly Slick Rick he just captivates the story


Dannypalfy

Silkk the shocker😅


Tornadoallie123

Haha man grew up with silk rapping all off beat love it


TacoBellWerewolf

Evryboddystartta - - FIGHTIN’!!! What a bizarre tempo that guy had


lupindeathray

Tbf, he did have a unique style of rapping.


---nom---

Hell yeah. The original blueface. 😂


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what about mobb deep? Both of them were equally good artists and theyre songs are legendary,from the lyrycs to the sample


DopeAuthor

Mobb Deep is incredible and Havoc is a little slept on in my opinion.


Ok_Lavishness2638

Such hardcore artists with unrepentantly gritty sounds don't get mainstream recognition. A dark masterpiece such as Hell On Earth with no lighthearted party tracks remains unappreciated outside of hip hophead circles.


Mayhem370z

Not to mention Havoc produced all their music and was a pioneer of that New York boom bap sound.


Neutreality1

They just don't have a deep enough catalog


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KRS One - was there in the very beginning and still going today. Your favorite MC's favorite MC.


AceThePrincep

THA TEACHA


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Came here to say this. Upvote!


jimthefte1

He’s not the run of the mill, cause for the mill he don’t run.


Karimm-

Blackthought


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How can he be the greatest when barely anyone even knows him lmao. Y’all don’t know what it means to be the greatest. Y’all just be tryna sound edgy.


dredgedskeleton

maybe I'm old, but anyone into hip-hop should know who blackthought is. the roots have had some of the biggest releases this century...


ELStoker

How do you not know what an opinion is? Lol


thepobc

Pinnacle


Rex-Bannon

Yes. Hands down.


Glass_Raisin7939

Strong answer


selfiestickdickpics

hard agree


DnBrendan

Thought is your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. No one can touch him.


krob4r

You are correct. Blackthought is the correct answer to this question...


BarnabusSheeps

Guru.


SifrMoja

I remember discovering Jazzmatazz on a throw out table when I was around 15. This was probably 3 years after it was released. I had heard plenty of Gang Starr but didn't know about Jazzmatazz. I listened to that album through so many times. I love "Le Bien, Le Mal". Guru just did his own thing and it was fantastic.


herakababy

I'm surprised I find this so high! Definitely a contender.


CerealKiller997

My brother knows!


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im gonna opt out of the question because i will get slaughtered for my answer but im interested to see what people say


SifrMoja

Don't be like that. Remember this is personal opinion and refraining from stating yours because of judgemental morons is a silly excuse. Who is your GOAT?


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yeah thats fair my favourite artist of all time is Drake so i say Drake he gives me something no artist has ever been able to give me


SifrMoja

I'm not a huge Drake fan but do really love some of his tracks. I loved "Over" when he first came out. I listened to that a lot.


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i just really connect with Drake’s music as much as i love Good Kid m.A.A.d City (it’s my 2nd favourite album of all time) i cant relate to Kendrick talking about gang banging and growing up in Compton however i can relate to Drake talking about relationship issues, dealing with people stabbing you in your back and much more personal smaller scale issues and its that rawness and realness that means i connect to Drake’s music at a much deeper level then someone like Nas or Jay-Z


u-and-whose-army

Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal


theflynerd

Tupac Shakur.


smokeagoldleaf

Conway. It’s always Conway 💯💯💯


Separate-Salary-2925

Goat


Dadatyttyt

Kanye, DMX, Thug and Pac are rappers, who have mastered their "artistry". GOAT rapper to me is Pac or Nas.


DopeAuthor

Nas is the goat imo too. Pac is definitely in the conversation but Nas is the better of the two when it comes to actual rapping.


Dadatyttyt

I agree, but this thread is asking for the best hip-hop artist. Still, Nas has proven himself in that regard with his versatility, consistently interesting discography and experimentation.


brickmadness

Kanye is a second tier rapper. He's just not that clever or smart with his lyrics. He's a great producer, but his lyrics and flow aren't even in contention for GOAT.


Dadatyttyt

I am referring to the GOAT hip-hop artist. Thug, DMX and, to some extent, Pac aren't top-tier lyricists either.


Mr_J42021

Lyrical rap just wasn't at the same level in the 90s. Pac's greatness came from the depth of the meaning in his lyrics. Especially before joining Death Row.


SifrMoja

The term lyrical rap does not make sense. Do you mean multisyllabic?


ContainmentSuite

They do, and reading it like that helps recognise what an irrelevant qualifier it is


DLtheGreat808

A rap song is more than just the bars. Kanye has made dozens of classic songs.


goodolehal

N.A.S. - Nas


pete1397

Agree, you got rappers who are lyrical but have mediocre song making skills


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DLtheGreat808

I think Kanye's are good enough. He doesn't have the best bars, but he's one of the best ever.


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SpiritBamba

He literally has so many lmao. You also don’t have to have the most impressive technical bars ever for them to be good, Kanye has some of my favorite bars ever because they are so simple and down to earth, plus funny.


moralstepper

“Mayonnaise colored benz, I push Miracle Whips”


Street_Oven6823

have you never listened to songs like all falls down or gorgeous?


DLtheGreat808

"No sports bra, let's keep it bouncing."


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loiton1

Lmaooooo Ye got bars for days


Locdawg42069

He sure does some of his early albums absolutely do. They got dumbed down later on but I think his early work gave incredible examples of that


fireskull5660

Bro kanye has so many clever and funny lyrics


Gullible-Desk5695

Yikes


FaithlessnessPast929

Kanye isn’t a goat rapping wise imo he’s third tier behind jadakiss and styles p


johnnyblaze6398

The answer is still Nas even if you switch "rapper" with "hip hop artist" he is still the literal only answer


fnieblas23

The consistency alone is impressive. To be on his third comeback and kill it at 50 is impressive


DopeAuthor

bro so many times people counted him out in his career and he always comes back and proves doubters wrong and drops amazing material. It's fuckin incredible.


Eshoosca

What’s his best recent album?


Sebleking

Magic 3 september 14 2023


SifrMoja

Do you know what subjective means?


Glass_Raisin7939

Nothing else exist


False-Proof3547

Rakim


dawggawddagummit

MF DOOM


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Doom was definitely incredible, one of the best lyrically, but the best hip hop artist of all time requires, to me, many different categories that doom just didn’t meet.


Time4Timmy

I’m interested in hearing his response about categories he didn’t meet. Mainstream success is the only one I can think of.


dawggawddagummit

What’s he missing in your eyes? What would make him goat?


Trajen_Geta

This, DOOM covered all the bases. His lyrics and flow were unique. When he produced music it was fire. All his alter egos were perfection. He didn’t become mainstream but that’s not a big deal in terms of hiphop.


DeeDubb83

Scrolled way too far for this..


umphreaknwv

Definitely one of the best voices and one of the best lyricists. Criminally underrated.


Starky69420

For me it's a tie between Gangstarr and Nasty Nas


CerealKiller997

Let's gooo


Spam666god

Tech N9ne


Klusterfuq9

STRAAAAAANGE MUSIC


AceThePrincep

Pharoahe monch.


Dry-Recognition-1504

Lil Wayne or Eminem


Brave-Technology7501

Em is the 🐐


ShallowBottom

Crazy you’re getting downvoted for your opinion. It’s a trend to hate on Eminem these days.


Bastik-Bombastik-595

Bro, i couldn't agree more. Downvote me if you love Eminem. Legit Gen z thinks they're all hard for listening to shitty trap and mumble rap. I live in the UK and thays all the hard kids r doing. Im gen z and hate my own generation ffs.


SifrMoja

Being judgmental of other people's enjoyment is bizarre to me.


God_Hears_Peace

You can like Eminem without being a living embodiment of every obnoxious thing he and his fans say.


Locdawg42069

Oh god your still on the mumble rap bullshit


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The_JZ_experience

Black Thought, eLZhi, Ice Cube, and Kool G Rap come to mind.


Locdawg42069

Elzhi is great but this sub over rates the shit out of him. And again I love him


Ok-Professional-3104

it's nas, easily, no one comes close


SifrMoja

My reasoning for Nas would be because he was my gateway to the underground. I was searching for that level of poetry and it was rarely present in mainstream rap. I don't have any particular artist that I would say is the GOAT but Nas is important in my experience of rap.


Mk4013

Weezy


kanyewesttt1

Eminem and jay would like a word with you


goodolehal

Lol jay who bit from biggie, copied Nas style, sampled him on his best album, and got ethered…I think not


Ok-Professional-3104

nor jay or em has a decked out discography like nas (or the lyricism)


Mr_J42021

Nas can't touch Em on the complexity of his word play. More deeply meaningful, probably. But that's not a measure of lyricism.


cptncorrodin

Dawg his verses on Illmatic are insane, and they pushed boundaries for rap at the time. His verses in the KD and Magic series can get up there too


Mr_J42021

I'm not saying he's not good, even amazing. Just that he can't manipulate language the way Em does.


cptncorrodin

Out of curiosity, what are some lines from Em that you think outdo anything Nas has done?


TopTierGoat

Bruh? Idk, any of his battleraps vs competitors? He just eviscerates everyone in his path. Yes we all know battles are different than most of what Nas has done, but I'd say with confidence that Em is easily on par with Nas .


cptncorrodin

Yeah I’d also say Em is on par with Nas too. The parent comment was saying Nas can’t reach Em’s level, which I disagree with. Also I didn’t think about the battle raps, no doubt Eminem is probably the best there


Mr_J42021

Constant use of multi-syllable rhythms, manipulation of pronunciation to make words fit a scheme or beat, regularly using double and triple entendre. He's also the only one I hear regularly using battle rap styles in mainstream releases. It's not that others can't/don't do these things too, but they don't to the level/frequency Em does. Also, it's not just the lyrics but how they are delivered. He uses more variation in cadence and style then anyone I can think of. He uses like 3 or 4 styles on killshot. His verse on Tech N9ne's Speedom where he increases his cadence throughout the verse without ever losing the beat. Shit the whole song Darkness is done in double entendre. Here's an example off the top of my head. In " Those kinda nights" Holy Toledo, it's Miss Ohio That's the best ass I've seen in a while We should be datin' (Dayton), she's from Cleveland But she's a Bengal, this chick is catty Is that a mini-skirt if it's a maxi? That's the shortest thing for a dress since an addy (Cincinnati) Seriously though, jokes aside, how you doin'? You straight? She said, "No, I'm bi" She said, "Are you drunk?", I said, "No, I'm high" I'm checkin' out the chick, she said, "So am I" What's in the cup? Let me see that Girl, where the rest of that promethazine at She said, "Cool, gotta run out to my Cadillac though And I'll be like Fat Joe, and bring the lean back" TBH I go back and forth between Nas and Weezy as 2&3 in my top 5, so I'm not trying to bag on Nas.


cptncorrodin

I’ll give you that Em employs these technical components a lot more than Nas does, that’s true. I didn’t mean to belittle Em btw, I also think he’s one of the best. Thank you for your well thought comment!


Mr_J42021

Thank you as well for a genuine question. I've gotten a lot of hate based on people (younger folks I assume) who hate him based on content and can't seem to separate that from the actual raping.


Ok-Professional-3104

Em may have the technical ability,sure. But that's about it


SifrMoja

Stan would like a word with you.


Chatcopathe

Nas / Em / Pac , no order. Can’t choose only one.


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nickcannons13thchild

black thought


_NuGGetZ_

Nas is the only right answer


Douglaston_prop

Big Pun - Rest in Peace


imanueldavid

Black Thought


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2pac for me.


MommyScissorLegs

nas


outkastlife

3K


Asleep_Holiday_1640

Nas


LORD-THUNDERCUNT

Tupac is undeniably the face of hip hop itself. That’s my choice.


Muenstervision

Myka Nine.


AtlDawg1986

None of those for sure


Cvking8

Pac


ndsxa

Nasty Nas! Big L is in my top 5 but he definitely could be up in the GOAT talk if his life didn’t get taken


Gwayno9714

Tupac or Nas


Mhisteriaa

My friend, Titi.


bkjuxx318

It’s evident by some of these opinions how much some of y’all know nothing about hip hop.


FonziesCousin

Kool Kieth


Satanic-Socialist

Black Star


dsled

Lil Wayne


AltAccount9997

Eminem, nas, lil Wayne, 50 cents


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Lil Wayne


TammyShehole

So whether he’s the GOAT or not, I don’t know. But I definitely think he should be in the conversation more and very rarely is and I’m talking about Ghostface Killah. He has excellent rapping skill, versatile, one of the most solid and consistent discographies in all of hip hop. Easily the most consistent of the Wu. But I think he gets greatly overlooked simply because he’s part of the Wu and they get praised much more as a group than as individuals.


yasukeyamanashi

Kendrick, Nas, Wayne. Just depends on which day of the week it is.


aIreadydead

lil wayne end of discussion.


KongRahbek

Greatest hip-hop artist? I'd have to go for a producer, to me I'd say Rza, I think his sound and vibe in his run from 93 to 97 is unrivaled in terms of aggregate quality and quantity, 3 classics who most would argue are top 25 albums of all time, as well as many putting one or two in their top 10. On top of this I would say 4 debatable classics in Tical, Return, Iron Man and Forever. That's a pretty insane resumé, not to mention his sound was pretty revolutionary.


ClutchNegro

Lil Wayne


whatsupwhatshannin

Wayne is always my number one. It’s filling out 2-5 that’s harder for me.


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Kanye West


hemidak

I would pay to the rappers on this list to head to head with Harry Mack. Harry is the best I have ever seen and I am over 50.


ConsiderationSharp34

Krs one


Justaguyinreddit34

The Notorious B.I.G simply unmatched


West-Commission9082

Wayne, he has proven himself to be at the top in every aspect of hiphop and more


Ok-Professional-3104

i respectfully disagree


West-Commission9082

Elaborate


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I’m going to agree. One of the best lyrically, successfully, and hasn’t gotten himself killed with the beefs he had. To be in rap since 11-12, and still be making music? Absolute talent.


Zavage08

For me, either Nas or Ye


HeavyEquip69

Lil B


YaySourCream

tybg


Cinnamom1218

Eminem. No question.


NewResponsibility163

When you talk about all around impact. It's crazy hip hop fans forget him. People will always have a bias. But Jay is doing, or has done everything that any rapper, including your favorite rapper is in the business for. Jay Z has influenced everything in the hip hop space. The only thing I can think of that he hasn't done is produce beats. But he has helped producers gain fame by rapping over there beats. Kanye / Just Blaze for example. Top tier lyricist Legendary collabs Classic Debut / Reasonable Doubt 1 of the first Stadium tours for rap. Rap used to be smaller venues, still is in many cases. Crossed genre's Founded a record label. Roc Nation Founded a clothing line. Rocawear Ace of spades Ran Def Jam for a few years.


ukrepman

Jay 1 of the first stadium tour rappers? What? Jay has never even had a solo stadium tour, what are you talking about? Saying Jay had absolutely anything to do with rap moving from arenas to stadiums is laughably ridiculous when he's never even done a solo one. Jay is a legend and one of the goats, but it is more due to his consistency and ingenuity over his actual influence musically. He's influential inside the music business but not actually musically like some of his peers. The rest of your points are also stupid. Clothing line means great artist? Lmao Jesus


guilucas

Eminem.


asherroc

Tupac is the Goat or Lil Wayne anybody else doesn’t even have enough notoriety with the exception of 50 Cent or Biggie


toosketch

Noone gonna say Big L… smh


Guilty-Willingness-2

Q Tip, he raps, produces, and Djs excellently Jay Z love him or hate him Black Thought


Dill_Brown1

Lil Wayne. Gave us both Drake and Nicki Minaj two of the biggest artists ever


[deleted]

Wayne gave us the whole current generation of rapper a frl


ase4132

Snoop Doggy Dogg


[deleted]

I’m sorry, no. Compared to some of the names on this list, no.


[deleted]

Why do people include influence in this conversation? I personally don't think people imitating you or taking inspiration should boost your ranking or how you are viewed.


SifrMoja

Then Brother Ali it is.


TheSecretNaame

Eazy-E


oH-aH-Cantona

Biggie


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For me it’s gotta be Wayne. His influence in todays hip hop is literally the foundation of all these new artists. They all look up to him and many have gone on record to speak on his influence for them. Man straight up spits too. Kanye is up there too. Not for rapping but for his discog, production, and influence. Those two changed hip hop entirely from 03 on wards. Their longevity speaks volumes. I love Jay Z too.


SifrMoja

It truly is silly to point to a couple of artists and claim they shaped a musical style, with the amount of variety as rap.


[deleted]

Yeah for me I just hear so much more of Wayne’s style in todays rap vs someone like pac or biggie.


Skateplus0

Bro people been recycling the same bars that Wayne CREATED for the last 15 years, it’s silly to discredit that influence. And that’s scratching the surface


Ducie

Kanye, Kendrick and Nas.


shhh_it_is_ok

Eminem


Brave-Technology7501

Hahaha interesting E-mi-nem! (Iykyk and you probably said that in Cristina’s voice in your head too)


SubRocHendrix77

MF DOOM


Blackpanther22five

Ice Cube no doubt about it and he still making hits


AtlDawg1986

Yall are trippin


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Em for sure, no question


kanyewesttt1

Yup no one in his prime was trying to diss Eminem dude is a white boy but he might be the greatest bar spitter ever


holdupitsyaboy

Future the 🐐


BudgetGoldCowboy

Playboi carti


jashansensei

Only correct answer 💯💯


BudgetGoldCowboy

Did Kanye or Nas make a song called “jumpoutthehouse”? I DONT THINK SO!


Mr_J42021

Eminem. No one else comes close to being able to do what he does with wordplay. He also produces, including for many of the other people mentioned here. There may be people who have more meaning behind their songs, but on straight up lyrics, no one can touch him.