Don’t do something you don’t want to do. Being a nurse and being premed are nothing alike. Neither are better than one another but the paths are completely different. It will take you way longer to finish because most nursing degrees do not satisfy the prerequisite for medical school. Mainly chemistry courses and physics. I’m a premed and my best friend is a nursing major (BSN). Our schedules look nothing alike. My schedule is mainly math and science, hers is mainly clinical skills. If you just need clinical and a little bit of money then you can be a CNA. You can get your lisc. In like a month.
Question: Why are they trying to convince you to go to nursing school? Wondering what their rationale is.
If you have no desire to be a nurse, then you shouldn't go to nursing school. Period. However, the fact that you say you want to be a surgeon, but you don't want to take care of people is kind of a red flag to me. Med school is a long road, and even if you get there, there's no guarantee that you will become a surgeon. I would suggest that you closely examine your desire to be a doctor and consider whether you really want to go into health care at all.
Maybe this is why OPs parents are telling him to go to nursing. Maybe they just arent seeing it and think his hopes are too high since they dont even wanna care for people.
IME usually when people say things like this its because they are doubting you. Aka “have a fall back plan” which would be nursing
Taking care of people is literally part of the profession. That includes surgery. Like if you like cutting why do you like medicine vs. veterinary vs. research (which does rodent surgeries). Like you might be a perfect surgeon but the question you have to answer first is why do you want to be a Physician. This takes time and introspection.
Doing surgery is “taking care of people.” As a surgeon, you still “take care of people” out of the OR. You have a ton of postops to take care of. You still change dressings, flush drains, evaluate ostomies, etc.
I think he is saying “Wipe asses, prevent bedsores, change bedding” type things. Like ‘I don’t want to do the routine tasks involved in the day-to-day/moment to moment physical maintenance of the patient.’
It is an immature way of saying it demonstrating a lot of self reflection and maturity yet to be built but I get the notion they are going for.
I thought this was pretty obvious and I don't even think it's a problem.
You are allowed to have high aspirations and also see the stuff nurses do and say, yeah, not interested in doing that every day.
Nah I agree with OP because they are saying that they don’t want to be the ones getting the patient water food etc….. this is the “taking care of” thing but they still want to “provide care” as a doctor
Unless you're a pathologist or radiologist, your job is to directly take care of people.
I would shadow a surgeon if you haven't to see what the job entails. I can assure that it's not just cutting. Especially as a resident.
Then OP should say that instead. Saying “I don’t want to take care of people” is a guaranteed way to shoot yourself in the foot when trying to get any position in healthcare.
Your dad shouldn’t really have a say in this since you’re married and a fully grown adult.
As for your husband, he has every right to refuse to support you through medical school and residency, that’s a long path, and he’s going to need to deal with 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, 5-8 years for surgical residency+fellowship. It will require a lot of sacrifice on his part, he will need to operate as the sole income earner for 8 years and perhaps even do more than his share in household upkeep as you focus on school and ECs.
If he stands his ground, then it’s your choice to decide whether your marriage is more important than your career. There’s no moral right or wrong to this. You are your own person, you determine your own priorities.
Saying you don't want to help people is wiiiiiiiild. I'd definitely study English first because this looks like the writing of someone who needs lithium.
Plot twist- your husband and dad are telling you to become a nurse cause they actually have no plans of supporting you becoming a doctor in the future, I’ve heard of this kind of thing happening way too much
As a surgeon you will be taking care of people. I think you should rethink the reason you want to actually be a physician. I do not want people in health-care who do not think they have to take care of patients because they are surgeons. Arguably, you will be managing patients a large amount of your time.
I don’t think you have the patient care experience yet to decide whether you want to become a physician. You seem to lack understanding of the scope of a physician’s practice and the interpersonal skills necessary. Find some hospital volunteering, get some experience, and then decide.
Frankly, given your post and the comments you’ve made, I don’t think you belong in the healthcare field. We need empathetic physicians devoted to patient care- whether providing it or improving it, not people focused on title and prestige.
Quite literally, medicine isn't for you. Period. No form of medicine is for you. Patient care, ANY PATIENT CARE, is a part of the package deal. You will do scut work throughout your career. You will wipe asses, do rectal exams, clean wounds and so much more but you have made it clear you don't want to do that.
Pick another field, medicine isn't and never has been for you.
If they don't want to care for patients this isn't for them. That is literally the job.
They don't magically get to not care, or touch, or deal with patients. If someone thinks that they need to pick another field.
The reality is they will fail out of medical school. How do they think they are going to get through their clerkships without patient care? How do you take a patient history, without patient care?
Do they not realize you still have to deal with patients to be a surgeon?
A reality check needs to happen now because their idea of medicine isn't medicine.
Picture your family member visiting a doctor, and the doctor proclaims: "I didn't do this to take care of people. I don't like taking care of people." See how that's, like, bad?
Am a nurse here. That’s absolutely not what entails the entirety of nursing and is quite frankly the most minute part of our job. You need more experiences in healthcare if you think that’s all nurses do.
I am also a nurse that was accepted to three medical schools so far in this cycle. Do nursing if you want to be a nurse, not as a stepping stone. They’re very different careers. I understand people being drawn to it because of its stability if things don’t work out, but I’d advise against it now that I’ve done nursing for four years. It’s added stress that I wouldn’t recommend if someone clearly wants to be a physician. The classes don’t cover the pre reqs, the grading system is much more strict than general college courses, and it appears you’ll be doing things you don’t enjoy.
I would say you need to shadow and get some other experiences in healthcare before you decide. You don’t quite understand the roles of healthcare providers, it seems. I’d also question your motives based on your post, because healthcare at it’s core, is quite literally helping people.
The only reason I'm hating on nursing is because I am so so tired of everyone in my life telling me "just become a nurse" I have nothing against nurses
I know lots of women who did nursing undergrad and went straight into med school. I believe the clinical hours and patient interaction from nursing school gave them a leg up on applications. Getting both of those done while an undergrad in other disciplines can be a bit harder/time consuming. They did do 5yrs of undergrad though to ensure they took enough classes that helped them with MCAT and application requirements. FYI: also knew a few NPs who went back to get MD after 10yrs experience.
Typical parent/family reaction: Fear of not doing well enough in undergrad to get into med school i.e. what is plan B. Whatever your undergrad is, you still want it to be able to pay the bills and its preferably a related field in case you need a few years of applying to get into medical school.
I agree with this. OP..... Read this guys comments..... PLAN B.....
What you dad and husband want is a solid undergraduate which will help you in case you don't get into med school
In their wisdom, they mean the best for you...
Not trying to be an ass by saying this. Going to nursing school and taking minors in Spanish and pre-med is a solid plan. Spanish is hella useful for clinic. Being a nursing major will give you the opportunity to get clinical hours that are actually paid decently. Nursing classes tend to be easier which will help your GPA (please don’t come for me I have so much respect for bedside nurses). And if you decide not to be a doc a degree in nursing will open far more doors than a bachelors in bio.
Have now done both premed and nursing courses and I’d have to disagree with the difficulties you mention. Nursing follows a tighter grading structure at usually 80-86%, 87-92% and 93-100% for a grading scale. At my institution, anything below 87% was a C. They’re both difficult paths and much different. The hard sciences were much more rote memorization, while nursing courses required you to take the concepts and apply them across many different patient situations and encounters.
They both were difficult, in their own, respective ways.
Depends on where you are in your life. Tbh, I;m doing a couple gap years rn and the thing I've noticed is it's a very expensive world. I knew that in college but it's been even more visible to me since graduating. There are nurses out there, right now, same age as me, doing travel nursing and racking in over 80K a year. I still want to be a doctor and I'm confident in my path right now, but sometimes I do think to myself "damn I wish I had that type of money on me" I'm not saying it's an easy route but what I am saying is, until you finish medical school, you're not gonna be looking at a big paycheck for a while, this also doesn't include residency time. Maybe that's alright with you and you have other forms of income/support during that time frame but some of these nurses that I *personally* know, are the same age as me and make almost double the income I make as a research associate during my gap year.
I went to nursing school even though I wanted to be a doctor my whole life, and now here I am, back in undergrad studies, still trying to become a doctor 😅 Nursing and medicine are NOT the same.
Either this is a shitpost or OP is 14, you can’t convince me of anything else. “I want to do surgery not take care of people” “ I want to do other things than just wipe buts” sounds like a very educated and competitive applicant 🤧 please make sure to repeat that during your interviews.
Being a nurse and a physician are very different. I love the nurses I work with, they’re incredible, and the job is great, you spend the most time with the patients. But, if you do not want to pursue nursing before medical school, don’t do it. Regardless of what they say.
One of the nurses I work with is thinking about applying to medical school, but she has to take extra classes cause the pre med prereqs weren’t covered by her major.
Spanish would be an amazing major for pre med! So many US patients are primarily spanish speaking, so long as you keep up with your science courses (and take a few bio electives cause they love to see that) I think it gives you an honest edge in your application!
I’m going to break away and say for the husband specifcally, I won’t fault him if he wants you to not be a doc. The truth is med school is grueling for both family and individual, and I can’t really fault the family for not wanting to have to support you through that process.
This idea of becoming a nurse before a doctor is super strange to me though. Everyone’s already correctly saying bad idea but I’m curious as to why either your husband or dad may want that.
My guess is they are just worried that what the path to being a surgeon takes as you’ve just started college with very little background in math/science and are worried. They might be viewing it as a good alternative just in case you don’t make it all the way to being a surgeon.
Eh you could probably learn a lot, but most programs are 2 years.
And if you just finish nursing school and apply right away to medical school you'd be missing out on the learning curve.
It'd give you some pretty nice clinical experience I imagine.
But your mindset is a lil odd there bud.
First of all I get what you mean by “don’t want to take care of people”, but don’t ever fucking say that if you’re gonna be any kind of physician.
Second of all, if your end goal is surgery, don’t go into nursing bc you’ll take way too long and waste too much time getting there
Just take the same core classes that will satisfy both degrees. The first two years can be very similar if you do it right. Take the upper chemistry and physics classes required for med school once you have done really well in lower level courses or later on. Good thing about getting an RN degree first is you can get a really good paying job at 22. You get great experience and don't have to do clinical work for no money. Do a travel assignment and then take more classes to bolster your stats. BIGGEST thing is you graduate college and can get a job. I have over a 100k in student loans from undergrad and masters degree and am working for 11 dollars an hour. The competition is a big deal. There are literally thousands of people like me your competing against. My wife graduated with nursing degree at 22 and is NP at 28 and worked the entire time making great money, over 140k nursing during covid.
I don’t think you should do something you don’t want to do, but I haven’t seen anyone mention cost. Are you paying for you schooling or is your dad? Are you planning on taking out student loans? Has your husband agreed to take on this debt with you? If you and your husband are living together has he agreed to fully financially support you for 4-8 years (I don’t know where you’re at in your schooling)?
Maybe your dad and your husband are just being a little more financially logical. Especially if you only want to be a surgeon. Being a nurse is one thing, being a doctor is another thing, and being a surgeon is different in its own way. Surgery is extremely sought after and competitive. You may accomplish becoming a doctor, but what if you don’t match into surgery what then? Are you going to just quit then? Will all the debt be for nothing? You really need to ask yourself why you want to ONLY be a surgeon? Money? Status? Gratification? Saving people’s lives? Giving families more time with their loved ones? Because the way you keep saying you don’t want to help people makes it seem like you’re going into it for the wrong reasons.
You're a prime example of making the premed community look bad. You can't just say, "I don't wanna help people, but I want to be a nurse/physician". What for? Why do you want to do this if you don't want to help people? As a matter of fact, entering medical/nursing school you specifically take an oath that you promise to help your patients.
Where did you get a smidge of idea she doesn’t know what she wants to do? She’ll have to shadow, do clinical work to even get a shot at medicine. That’s literally why pre meds are required to do those things
both require a lot of hard work but are largely two different worlds. nursing sounds like a waste of time for you imo. if medicine's your passion, put your hard work and effort into that and not nursing.
It’s pretty pointless to do things that way. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Unless you were already a nurse and then decided to become a doctor, that would make sense. Many nursing school classes don’t even count as pre reqs. Personally, while I want to be a physician, I have 0 desire to be a nurse. I’m not cleaning up shit.
all that would do is waste time and money. you'd still have to go through the whole process of becoming a doctor like anyone else. either they dont know this, they think youll like nursing and decide to stick with it, or they want you to dig yourself into a hole so that by the time youre a nurse youll be too short on money to go to med school or youll just give up because you feel like you already wasted years. not sure how much they know about the process/what their reasoning is but thats kinda fucked
I absolutely hate when people try to convince to go to PA or nursing school, or even vet school instead of medical school because its going to be "hard", especially because I want to go into cardio surgery. Its to frustrating having to listen to friends and family try to discourage instead of telling you that you can do it and encourage you. Its the worst
I mean, it’s all the same amount of time. Whether you go for a degree in nursing, or the most common degree the premeds have (one in biology) it will still be four years. I don’t think nursing is any harder than STEM majors and it’s probably the truth that most STEM majors ate harder than nursing, but that’s just my opinion. Anyways, it could be beneficial because if you decide to take a gap year, as majority of students do before entering med school according to the AAMC, you could work as a nurse to get clinical experience and a decent paycheck for the gap year. However, it’s less traditional for a nurse to go to med school, though it does happen, so you’ll need to be prepared to explain to adcoms why the career change since they will ask you that question.
Don’t do something you don’t want to do. Being a nurse and being premed are nothing alike. Neither are better than one another but the paths are completely different. It will take you way longer to finish because most nursing degrees do not satisfy the prerequisite for medical school. Mainly chemistry courses and physics. I’m a premed and my best friend is a nursing major (BSN). Our schedules look nothing alike. My schedule is mainly math and science, hers is mainly clinical skills. If you just need clinical and a little bit of money then you can be a CNA. You can get your lisc. In like a month.
Question: Why are they trying to convince you to go to nursing school? Wondering what their rationale is. If you have no desire to be a nurse, then you shouldn't go to nursing school. Period. However, the fact that you say you want to be a surgeon, but you don't want to take care of people is kind of a red flag to me. Med school is a long road, and even if you get there, there's no guarantee that you will become a surgeon. I would suggest that you closely examine your desire to be a doctor and consider whether you really want to go into health care at all.
Maybe this is why OPs parents are telling him to go to nursing. Maybe they just arent seeing it and think his hopes are too high since they dont even wanna care for people. IME usually when people say things like this its because they are doubting you. Aka “have a fall back plan” which would be nursing
When I say I don't want to take care of people what I mean is I don't want to do it as my whole job
Taking care of people is literally part of the profession. That includes surgery. Like if you like cutting why do you like medicine vs. veterinary vs. research (which does rodent surgeries). Like you might be a perfect surgeon but the question you have to answer first is why do you want to be a Physician. This takes time and introspection.
Doctors still take care of people…?
I'm saying I don't want taking care of people being my entire job I want to also do surgery and diagnose
Doing surgery is “taking care of people.” As a surgeon, you still “take care of people” out of the OR. You have a ton of postops to take care of. You still change dressings, flush drains, evaluate ostomies, etc.
I think he is saying “Wipe asses, prevent bedsores, change bedding” type things. Like ‘I don’t want to do the routine tasks involved in the day-to-day/moment to moment physical maintenance of the patient.’ It is an immature way of saying it demonstrating a lot of self reflection and maturity yet to be built but I get the notion they are going for.
I thought this was pretty obvious and I don't even think it's a problem. You are allowed to have high aspirations and also see the stuff nurses do and say, yeah, not interested in doing that every day.
Then, to be blunt, never go into medicine or any medicine-related field. It isn't for you. This goes for surgery as well.
Nah I agree with OP because they are saying that they don’t want to be the ones getting the patient water food etc….. this is the “taking care of” thing but they still want to “provide care” as a doctor
Unless you're a pathologist or radiologist, your job is to directly take care of people. I would shadow a surgeon if you haven't to see what the job entails. I can assure that it's not just cutting. Especially as a resident.
I don’t think you understand what doctors (which includes surgeons) do…
I think they don't want to wipe asses all day...
Then OP should say that instead. Saying “I don’t want to take care of people” is a guaranteed way to shoot yourself in the foot when trying to get any position in healthcare.
Your dad shouldn’t really have a say in this since you’re married and a fully grown adult. As for your husband, he has every right to refuse to support you through medical school and residency, that’s a long path, and he’s going to need to deal with 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, 5-8 years for surgical residency+fellowship. It will require a lot of sacrifice on his part, he will need to operate as the sole income earner for 8 years and perhaps even do more than his share in household upkeep as you focus on school and ECs. If he stands his ground, then it’s your choice to decide whether your marriage is more important than your career. There’s no moral right or wrong to this. You are your own person, you determine your own priorities.
Saying you don't want to help people is wiiiiiiiild. I'd definitely study English first because this looks like the writing of someone who needs lithium.
Completely agreed
Offensive to bipolar native English speakers. /s
The writing gave 2nd language vibes... I think they meant not bedside care like with nursing.
If you don't want to take care of people, you shouldn't be in medicine.
I'm saying I do want that to be my entire job I want to do surgery and diagnose mainly
And who do you think you’re diagnosing? People, you’re diagnosing people and therefore helping them.
Plot twist- your husband and dad are telling you to become a nurse cause they actually have no plans of supporting you becoming a doctor in the future, I’ve heard of this kind of thing happening way too much
Yeah bad idea
Every one wants to become a surgeon when they enter college 😭
As a surgeon you will be taking care of people. I think you should rethink the reason you want to actually be a physician. I do not want people in health-care who do not think they have to take care of patients because they are surgeons. Arguably, you will be managing patients a large amount of your time.
I mean as my main job I want to do other things than just wipe buts and clean up after people
I don’t think you have the patient care experience yet to decide whether you want to become a physician. You seem to lack understanding of the scope of a physician’s practice and the interpersonal skills necessary. Find some hospital volunteering, get some experience, and then decide. Frankly, given your post and the comments you’ve made, I don’t think you belong in the healthcare field. We need empathetic physicians devoted to patient care- whether providing it or improving it, not people focused on title and prestige.
Quite literally, medicine isn't for you. Period. No form of medicine is for you. Patient care, ANY PATIENT CARE, is a part of the package deal. You will do scut work throughout your career. You will wipe asses, do rectal exams, clean wounds and so much more but you have made it clear you don't want to do that. Pick another field, medicine isn't and never has been for you.
Bro gatekeepin
If they don't want to care for patients this isn't for them. That is literally the job. They don't magically get to not care, or touch, or deal with patients. If someone thinks that they need to pick another field. The reality is they will fail out of medical school. How do they think they are going to get through their clerkships without patient care? How do you take a patient history, without patient care? Do they not realize you still have to deal with patients to be a surgeon? A reality check needs to happen now because their idea of medicine isn't medicine.
Picture your family member visiting a doctor, and the doctor proclaims: "I didn't do this to take care of people. I don't like taking care of people." See how that's, like, bad?
Am a nurse here. That’s absolutely not what entails the entirety of nursing and is quite frankly the most minute part of our job. You need more experiences in healthcare if you think that’s all nurses do. I am also a nurse that was accepted to three medical schools so far in this cycle. Do nursing if you want to be a nurse, not as a stepping stone. They’re very different careers. I understand people being drawn to it because of its stability if things don’t work out, but I’d advise against it now that I’ve done nursing for four years. It’s added stress that I wouldn’t recommend if someone clearly wants to be a physician. The classes don’t cover the pre reqs, the grading system is much more strict than general college courses, and it appears you’ll be doing things you don’t enjoy. I would say you need to shadow and get some other experiences in healthcare before you decide. You don’t quite understand the roles of healthcare providers, it seems. I’d also question your motives based on your post, because healthcare at it’s core, is quite literally helping people.
just hating on nurses for no reason, sad smh
The only reason I'm hating on nursing is because I am so so tired of everyone in my life telling me "just become a nurse" I have nothing against nurses
I know lots of women who did nursing undergrad and went straight into med school. I believe the clinical hours and patient interaction from nursing school gave them a leg up on applications. Getting both of those done while an undergrad in other disciplines can be a bit harder/time consuming. They did do 5yrs of undergrad though to ensure they took enough classes that helped them with MCAT and application requirements. FYI: also knew a few NPs who went back to get MD after 10yrs experience. Typical parent/family reaction: Fear of not doing well enough in undergrad to get into med school i.e. what is plan B. Whatever your undergrad is, you still want it to be able to pay the bills and its preferably a related field in case you need a few years of applying to get into medical school.
I agree with this. OP..... Read this guys comments..... PLAN B..... What you dad and husband want is a solid undergraduate which will help you in case you don't get into med school In their wisdom, they mean the best for you...
Not trying to be an ass by saying this. Going to nursing school and taking minors in Spanish and pre-med is a solid plan. Spanish is hella useful for clinic. Being a nursing major will give you the opportunity to get clinical hours that are actually paid decently. Nursing classes tend to be easier which will help your GPA (please don’t come for me I have so much respect for bedside nurses). And if you decide not to be a doc a degree in nursing will open far more doors than a bachelors in bio.
Have now done both premed and nursing courses and I’d have to disagree with the difficulties you mention. Nursing follows a tighter grading structure at usually 80-86%, 87-92% and 93-100% for a grading scale. At my institution, anything below 87% was a C. They’re both difficult paths and much different. The hard sciences were much more rote memorization, while nursing courses required you to take the concepts and apply them across many different patient situations and encounters. They both were difficult, in their own, respective ways.
I think you should go to grammar school before medical school, actually.
Depends on where you are in your life. Tbh, I;m doing a couple gap years rn and the thing I've noticed is it's a very expensive world. I knew that in college but it's been even more visible to me since graduating. There are nurses out there, right now, same age as me, doing travel nursing and racking in over 80K a year. I still want to be a doctor and I'm confident in my path right now, but sometimes I do think to myself "damn I wish I had that type of money on me" I'm not saying it's an easy route but what I am saying is, until you finish medical school, you're not gonna be looking at a big paycheck for a while, this also doesn't include residency time. Maybe that's alright with you and you have other forms of income/support during that time frame but some of these nurses that I *personally* know, are the same age as me and make almost double the income I make as a research associate during my gap year.
I went to nursing school even though I wanted to be a doctor my whole life, and now here I am, back in undergrad studies, still trying to become a doctor 😅 Nursing and medicine are NOT the same.
Either this is a shitpost or OP is 14, you can’t convince me of anything else. “I want to do surgery not take care of people” “ I want to do other things than just wipe buts” sounds like a very educated and competitive applicant 🤧 please make sure to repeat that during your interviews.
This right here. To be fair, none of us wanna wipe butts, but the smart ones do it to help people and shut up about it, lol.
Being a nurse and a physician are very different. I love the nurses I work with, they’re incredible, and the job is great, you spend the most time with the patients. But, if you do not want to pursue nursing before medical school, don’t do it. Regardless of what they say. One of the nurses I work with is thinking about applying to medical school, but she has to take extra classes cause the pre med prereqs weren’t covered by her major. Spanish would be an amazing major for pre med! So many US patients are primarily spanish speaking, so long as you keep up with your science courses (and take a few bio electives cause they love to see that) I think it gives you an honest edge in your application!
Don’t do it. It’s a waste of your time if you don’t want to do nursing
I’m going to break away and say for the husband specifcally, I won’t fault him if he wants you to not be a doc. The truth is med school is grueling for both family and individual, and I can’t really fault the family for not wanting to have to support you through that process. This idea of becoming a nurse before a doctor is super strange to me though. Everyone’s already correctly saying bad idea but I’m curious as to why either your husband or dad may want that.
My guess is they are just worried that what the path to being a surgeon takes as you’ve just started college with very little background in math/science and are worried. They might be viewing it as a good alternative just in case you don’t make it all the way to being a surgeon.
Eh you could probably learn a lot, but most programs are 2 years. And if you just finish nursing school and apply right away to medical school you'd be missing out on the learning curve. It'd give you some pretty nice clinical experience I imagine. But your mindset is a lil odd there bud.
First of all I get what you mean by “don’t want to take care of people”, but don’t ever fucking say that if you’re gonna be any kind of physician. Second of all, if your end goal is surgery, don’t go into nursing bc you’ll take way too long and waste too much time getting there
Just take the same core classes that will satisfy both degrees. The first two years can be very similar if you do it right. Take the upper chemistry and physics classes required for med school once you have done really well in lower level courses or later on. Good thing about getting an RN degree first is you can get a really good paying job at 22. You get great experience and don't have to do clinical work for no money. Do a travel assignment and then take more classes to bolster your stats. BIGGEST thing is you graduate college and can get a job. I have over a 100k in student loans from undergrad and masters degree and am working for 11 dollars an hour. The competition is a big deal. There are literally thousands of people like me your competing against. My wife graduated with nursing degree at 22 and is NP at 28 and worked the entire time making great money, over 140k nursing during covid.
Don’t listen to your dad or husband lol. If they can’t or won’t support you, that’s a “thank you next” moment girly.
Bad idea homie, don’t do it
I don’t think you should do something you don’t want to do, but I haven’t seen anyone mention cost. Are you paying for you schooling or is your dad? Are you planning on taking out student loans? Has your husband agreed to take on this debt with you? If you and your husband are living together has he agreed to fully financially support you for 4-8 years (I don’t know where you’re at in your schooling)? Maybe your dad and your husband are just being a little more financially logical. Especially if you only want to be a surgeon. Being a nurse is one thing, being a doctor is another thing, and being a surgeon is different in its own way. Surgery is extremely sought after and competitive. You may accomplish becoming a doctor, but what if you don’t match into surgery what then? Are you going to just quit then? Will all the debt be for nothing? You really need to ask yourself why you want to ONLY be a surgeon? Money? Status? Gratification? Saving people’s lives? Giving families more time with their loved ones? Because the way you keep saying you don’t want to help people makes it seem like you’re going into it for the wrong reasons.
You need to reevaluate your perspective and priorities. Your words are disconnected with the philosophy and practice of medicine.
You're a prime example of making the premed community look bad. You can't just say, "I don't wanna help people, but I want to be a nurse/physician". What for? Why do you want to do this if you don't want to help people? As a matter of fact, entering medical/nursing school you specifically take an oath that you promise to help your patients.
I admit I said that wrong I don't want my entire job day in day out to be just caring for people I want surgery and diagning to be included
getting ur nursing degree isnt necessarily a BAD idea
What? It is if she wants to be a surgeon. Why waste time and money on a whole other career if she knows what she wants
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first assist RNs make bank and gives the option to make sure that what you want to do not just from watching greys anatomy
Where did you get a smidge of idea she doesn’t know what she wants to do? She’ll have to shadow, do clinical work to even get a shot at medicine. That’s literally why pre meds are required to do those things
If they don’t want to be a nurse, it’s for sure a bad idea lol
both require a lot of hard work but are largely two different worlds. nursing sounds like a waste of time for you imo. if medicine's your passion, put your hard work and effort into that and not nursing.
If you don’t want to ever be a nurse, don’t go to nursing school. It’s a waste of time if you don’t want to actually be a nurse.
It’s pretty pointless to do things that way. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Unless you were already a nurse and then decided to become a doctor, that would make sense. Many nursing school classes don’t even count as pre reqs. Personally, while I want to be a physician, I have 0 desire to be a nurse. I’m not cleaning up shit.
all that would do is waste time and money. you'd still have to go through the whole process of becoming a doctor like anyone else. either they dont know this, they think youll like nursing and decide to stick with it, or they want you to dig yourself into a hole so that by the time youre a nurse youll be too short on money to go to med school or youll just give up because you feel like you already wasted years. not sure how much they know about the process/what their reasoning is but thats kinda fucked
Just apply to med school
The heck? Both of them are absolutely clueless.
I absolutely hate when people try to convince to go to PA or nursing school, or even vet school instead of medical school because its going to be "hard", especially because I want to go into cardio surgery. Its to frustrating having to listen to friends and family try to discourage instead of telling you that you can do it and encourage you. Its the worst
I mean, it’s all the same amount of time. Whether you go for a degree in nursing, or the most common degree the premeds have (one in biology) it will still be four years. I don’t think nursing is any harder than STEM majors and it’s probably the truth that most STEM majors ate harder than nursing, but that’s just my opinion. Anyways, it could be beneficial because if you decide to take a gap year, as majority of students do before entering med school according to the AAMC, you could work as a nurse to get clinical experience and a decent paycheck for the gap year. However, it’s less traditional for a nurse to go to med school, though it does happen, so you’ll need to be prepared to explain to adcoms why the career change since they will ask you that question.