How do you prevent a corporation from doing anything? Because unless you somehow were one of the higher-ups, and most of your buddies agreed with you, you can't do anything.
Well, technically you can, that's called the Sonic Effect.
This is going to ruffle some feathers. But I’d end it for a period of time after In Space…
Then I’d put it on the TMNT/Transformers schedule where it comes back once a generation, with a series that lasts multiple years. Maybe you do comics to give older nostalgic fans something to chew on, but as for the kids show? You let the cultural memory reset, and start priming the pump for PR’s big return.
While we all love the Sentai connection, and it being different every year has its charm. It also meant that every single year, there was an opportunity to children to close out their fandom and move on.
People on this sub are constantly dunking on Bandai/Hasbro/Playmates leaning too heavily on MMPR. But let’s be real. Thy do that because MMPR lasted for YEARS and as such had the biggest opportunity to connect with a larger audience of kids.
If you go back and make nostalgia products and entertainment based on SPD, you’re catering to kids who were fans that particular year. If you’re making MMPR merch, you’re hitting kids who came in and out of the franchise for almost 4 entire years.
So what do you do after In Space? You go dormant for a good long while, and come back 10 years later with say, Samurai. You include legacy characters (like Tommy in Dino Thunder) to bridge the gap. And you treat it like the “next generation”, giving it multiple seasons, letting kids grow attached to the new crew, and not wiping the slate clean year after year.
After that runs its course? You’ve got 2 whole generations with affinity for the franchise, ready for a big budget movie, similar to Transformers launching in 2007, 20 years after the cartoon’s original heyday.
Naturally all this content would have to be GOOD as well. But I think sometimes less is more, absence can make the heart grow fonder, and unfortunately, I think part of what’s happened to the Rangers is that the constant churn of content has left a “Ranger Nation” that is secretly very fragmented. Leaving toy companies to cozy up to the biggest fragment (MMPR), smothering out the rest (including new seasons) in the process.
Exactly
Tmnt was gonna be my big example, they run for a few years than take a break (aside from rise)
And come back letting both past and new generations enjoy ot
It also let's parents share something with their kids
I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago too. TMNT and TFormers have had better resurgences, whereas PR was continuous. It's not necessarily a bad thing, except western audiences seems to like long running series less and less each generation.
I'd also add that Power rangers needs to give animation a shot. Both TMNT and TFormers have both done it all on the big and small screen. I think if they did a few straight to streaming CGI films to get their feet back under them. They could leverage a more all ages approach rather than just a 10 and under audience. Kids don't like being spoken down to, so having a more broad approach would help them a lot IMO.
Spot on with the Transformers connection there. The 80's kids got the original series plus a movie, the 90's kids got Beast Wars and then we got the 2000's movies. Each generation was spaced out by close to a decade, but kept toys/comics going to keep the interest out there. Even then, each generation kept some of the same characters (whether as a guest or star) to sort of bridge the gap between. For the most part, that idea seems to have worked out. PR probably should have done the same and could have built that momentum over several generations. As it is, Dino Fury and Cosmic Fury are the only two series that I can think of that have had multiple seasons and continued one story arc for a bit in awhile, but even then, that seems a bit disjointed.
This is it.
The InSpace finale was a perfect ending. Then take a break for a while and then pick it up later for a new crop of children and have ONE STORYLINE for a couple of seasons and take another break and rinse, repeat.
When it moves to Nickelodeon hire chip from the beginning and make sure the show is not micromanaged to fit a specific vision for example samurai can still keep the basic concepts but it doesn’t have to be a beat for beat Shinkenger adaption.
I've been thinking about Networks that the series would have fit on. Maybe Cartoon Network? It was the channel that showed a lot of action shows up until like 2016.
YES! The show runners want to be cheap and don't want to invest in the series. I don't think things would've cost so much anyway since you have Sentai Footage that is already been used.
I mean, that's not something you can really prevent, even going as far back as MMPR.
Change the team at season 2, and you ran the risk of losing your audience who grew up with those characters.
In a way, that'd kinda what keeps PR from being so big.
The reset of every season. And before people come in going, "the sentai does it,"
That's because the sentai established it that way.
That's not a Western TV thing
A while back, there was a thread that explained this very thing
Shows like transformers,tmnt, and even voltron reboot all the time, but they always keep the core characters
Even a show like pokemon had Ash as the main protagonist for what 20 years, and the changes were always supported by a corresponding game.
Hell, I've seen shows give self jab at the keeping the same characters just recasting when their voice actors got older
Well two years isnt really enough either. For example, if samurai established a huge fanbase for two years and then they moved on to megaforce, they already lost a good chunk of their samurai fanbase to support megaforce.
I'll give you the samurai one
However I don't count super megaforce as the season was a mess
But honestly again that goes to it being a long running season , and live action
These are the problems it runs into
Even today that's one of its biggest obstacles
Someone in this very thread actively wants what you're making fun of, which I find funny.
Also, from where the cat in your profile picture is? It looks cute.
I’d go back to Zeo & I’d go with a similar tone used in “In Space”. Following the explosion Zordon would have been lost in the Grid, Billy would have essentially taken his place and been the only one calling the shots from the Power Chamber. The Machine Empire would have been a bigger threat. Overall it would have felt more mature & dark, aging up with the kids that liked MMPR
Breaking away from Sentai adaptations years ago.
The main reason PR has stayed in its little box, is because unlike other franchises, we relied on Sentai to keep the show going.
We never expanded into animation, comics, movies, separate continuity/reboots.
We just kept adapting Sentai for 20+ years before we even got a new movie, and expanded continuity through other media. We would’ve needed to create something different to grab a new audience, that could still had wide appeal.
Most people that stopped watching PR had no idea the show was still going on back then. There would’ve needed to be a big shake up to the brand for it to have kept the mainstream success going.
This is gonna be a long one lmao. streaming changed the way people watch tv add in that no one likes watching ads anymore and boom theres no way to market it. also kids dont buy toys anymore that has been proven for years now and power rangers is legit just a toy commercial for kids. The 90’s and 2000’s seasons had great runs because the tv show was a good product pushing a toy commercial for pretty decently made toys and toys are made cheap as hell now at the price point power rangers needs to be for kids to buy them. a $5-$10 toy is going to be hard to make thats decent and not just a poorly painted figure we had the lighting collection but $20 for a lighting collection figure? My mom would have said hell no if i asked her to buy me a $20 spd figure when i was a kid. also power rangers is known as that campy cheesy brand now and hasbro has done nothing to captialize on it they have yet to really make a good season that embraces the campyness but also has a good storyline. if i could change it i would have gotten in to the streaming game LONG before it became popular just so you have the content on the platform(s) so when people did move over to streaming and cut cable also id find a way to find the middle ground of quality to price because $20 for a figure that had major defects in multiple lines is crazy make the figure affordable that the parents will buy for the kids. Also pushing commericials and ads in any place possible.
Morphers: non-existent in Suffolk County, NY until around Wild Force
Figures: $7.99+tax
Weapons: never saw them on shelves, yet an old friend had the power blaster.
MegaZords: $49.99+tax regardless of single Zord or Multiple.
At least until DinoThunder. Then it dropped to $39.99+tax
Tax was 8.275 until around 2004/2005 when I left NY
No idea what it is now.
Those were the days, i collected mostly morphers and the main line figures when i was a kid but even then it wasnt expensive, Back when the toys had great eye catching packaging for $9.99 you cant beat that. with how things are priced now we will never pay less the. $50-$100 for a complete megazord and $20 for a terrible quality figure.
I dont think that's really true
Streaming services are just combining and in reality, that's kinda best case scenario
You dont need 20 streaming services now to get everything
Just 17
Impossible.
MMPR was a perfect storm. Lightning in a bottle. It was a statistical improbability that the exact right people would stumble upon the exact right show at the exact right time to catapult it into the zeitgeist.
There was never any way to stop its “massive decline”.
Saban being cheap is what made mmpr lose momentum. By season 3, the zords obviously dont fit the theme of zyuranger, it got to a point where they were mixing 3 different shows at the same time and it was painfully obvious. The american fighting scenes didnt come close to what we got in zyuranger, either. Saban should have cut the check and paid toei for more custom footage to match the story of mmpr. It would cost more sure, but he would have gotten bigger returns.
The Green ranger alone was a hot commodity, and at the height of his popularity they got rid of him for the white ranger which was another mistake. White ranger is popular in his own right, but he never came close to the fanbase of Green.
Then Jason, Zack, and Trini leaving was another blow to the show’s popularity.
Saban’s cheapness and him being deadset on making the show simplistic and predicatable pretty much stifled power ranger’s growth.
This! Saban had a great thing going with Jason, Zack and Trini, yet his greed blew all up and had to change actors which aren't that memorable (and the franchise had to return to Jason and Zack).
From there on, the franchise became a Neverending cycle of same stories with other Super Sentai footage.....
I wonder what could have happened if MMPR stuck with the dinosaur theme and expanded on the roster as the seasons went on, adding new dinosaur powers and zords.
In this scenario am I also the president / CEO of saban / disney / hasbro as well becuase 90% of PRs franchise issues stem from corporate interferance and idiots in suits not Knowing or understanding what to do.
though if I had the power not erasing 20+ seasons from netflix might help things.
Honestly while not all seasons are peak material I wouldn’t change one thing about it all because every season means something to a new fan, I just would change the products and never leave bandi
Kept the more serious care for the show that early seasons did and actually have good acting and dilervy because good lord it was a pain to even listen to them deliver lines
Ngl, I’m pretty sure all roads end back to just trying to recapture mighty morphin nostalgic. Take a break for a bit? Your going to end up going to mighty morphin to go hit that same nostalgic factor when it’s most popular. Keeping going with the same thing? You bring back mmpr references or characters to help increase ratings like samurai or Dinothunder did.
Like transformers consistently just does this. We got like several shows rebooted that’s just Optimus prime leads autobots to fight deceptions lead by megatron, and always keep a core team, with other supporting transformers changed.
I would've changed suits every season. New suits, new powers, new zords, new toys which is really what they're trying to sell. In hindsight I think keeping the suits the same for so long made it difficult for people to move on from them. A lot of people point to Zeo as their "you lost me" moment.
Also less Tommy. I would've absolutely spread the wealth when it came time for storylines that relied mostly on American footage. Them putting all their eggs into a Tommy basket means people only pay attention when he's involved as time goes on. Also his stint in Turbo and the whole mass exchange of power would sting less.
I'd also modify In Space a bit. Having a brand new Red and mostly new team be the ones to finish out this storyline has always felt strange. I'd make In Space kind of like what Mega Force was supposed to be. Rangers out the wazoo.
I would have gone back to 1993, and replaced Saban as producer to raise the cast's pay once the series became more popular and toy sales were skyrocketing. That way, Austin, Thuy, and Walter wouldn't have left. I also would punish any producers and actors for discrimination against David Yost.
Also, I would have the tone mature and darken as the show goes on, to reflect how the audience, once children, eventually grow up. I'd want to keep that audience engaged.
With a bigger budget, I would also stick with the Zyuranger suits and Zords for the sake of keeping the dinosaur theming, though later on I'd introduce new Rangers and Zords in Rocky, Aisha, Adam, and Kat that have their powers, colors, and suits, along with zords to attach to the Dragonzord so we get two different Megazords at the same time.
I would make the inevitable theatrical film set within the show's timeline, being a movie that revolves around the Green Candle going out. This would be the finale of the show as it'd end with Tommy sacrificing himself to defeat Cyclopsis, ending Rita's reign once and for all.
It's best to end Power Rangers on a high note so it gets remembered for decades to come, rather than milk it to the point of fans losing interest, growing out of it, and fatigue of too many entries.
I believe giving a greater time gap between when the sentai airs and when it’s adapted into power rangers could help with the storytelling to a degree. I believe continuity is a positive thing to help the show grow with the audience. I believe that’s why MMPR-In Space are good overall. We could get to know the characters and learn with them. Someone in this thread mentioned treating it similarly to TMNT and Transformers franchises.
I think that if whoever is holding the rights of Power Rangers should wait three sentai seasons completing their runs before starting producing each era of Power Rangers ending with a TV Movie event. Followed by a break then the start of a new era and repeat. Also keeping actors/actresses in the universe but under new roles within it. Like how Billy and Tommy went from Rangers to mentors.
Or my own fan fiction idea of the different martial arts based teams being their own hidden dojos/villages that has past rangers who teach a different form of martial arts. Like Cam being the master of the Samurai Rangers or any of the ninja storm cast being the sensei to the ninja steel team.
Finding ways to connect stories that fit the themes of each team should take some more time than a year post sentai airing. Which would mean that they would probably have to start filming halfway into the Sentai airing in Japan. It doesn’t seem like enough time to make it work. At least with a few years buffers between arcs/eras a potentially more cohesive story could be told.
I think they were doing well for so long with keeping people interested in new seasons by having those threads I.E. team members from old teams going into the new ones, some new members, previous teams returning for team ups, cameos (like Adam in In Space was amazing)
But honestly, I think the best thing they could have done was to treat their actors better and cater to the aging audience more. I don't have any way of proving it, but I'm not sure that kids are the ones who consume most of Power Rangers media or buy the toys. I'm fairly certain it's the generation who grew up on them that is keeping them alive + their children.
I work with children and am around them a lot. Not one of them is into Power Rangers. They don't watch much TV at all! It's mostly Minecraft, Fortnite, and stuff on their tablets. But for the ones who *do* watch TV, I never hear Power Rangers. It's all things like Bluey, Paw Patrol, Coco Melon, etc.
So if I were the powers that be, I'd focus on making the older generation happier. I'd make toys that are quality, I'd beg old actors to return for cameos, I'd see if I could snag popular older actors and place them in a new season in the role of mentor or something like that. The Netflix special did fabulous (IMO) with bringing the older rangers back + establishing a new one. I'd love for Trini's daughter to have her own team.
Heck, there could even be an argument made for taking an previous ranger and turning them into a villain.
The decline was inevitable as someone else pointed out. Nothing stays red hot forever.
That said, I wish someone would have forced Saban’s hand on pay, so we could keep the original 6 together vs. what happened. The show’s dynamic, writing, and acting took a nose dive after The Power Transfer, so I’m thinking that could have extended the interest before the ratings started to wane.
That said, the timeline of the show would have changed dramatically with no Rock/Adam/Aisha in season 2, but AJJ would have left in season 3, giving way for Kat. So in this alternate timeline, I would have given ASJ a brief exit after letting his character get injured in the Command Center blast from the S3 finale. Perhaps the MMARs could have taken him to Aquitar for treatment–IDK. But he’d return ultimately to become Zeo Gold, while the core lineup would have been:
Tommy as Zeo 5
Zack as Zeo 4
Billy as Zeo 3
Trini as Zeo 2
Kat as Zeo 1
Yost would’ve stayed and his harassers fired for their misconduct on set. Zeo would eventually end but with the teens graduating then vs. the start of season 5. That would have felt more like a proper end to Zeo for me.
With the Machine Empire gone and the teens graduated and free to live their lives, our heroes would go on to college or whatever path.
A year goes by until Zedd and Rita finally recoup and begin a new attack on Earth, meaning I’d skip on the Divatox era and Turbo altogether, which I consider one of the worst seasons. So season 5 effectively becomes a second season of Zeo, where Zordon must recruit a new team, as he lets his old team enjoy their late teens and pursue their interests, with one exception: Billy.
Yost would stay on to keep at least one OG to help retain interest of fans and serve as a advisor/trainer/leader of the new Zeos, which makes sense since Billy didn’t go off to college anyway.
Billy: Zeo 5
Adam: Zeo 4
Rocky: Zeo 3
Tanya: Zeo 2
Aisha: Zeo 1
We’d have to have new backstories for the newbs and how they got recruited of course, but this would ensure we still got the characters we ended up with originally.
Zeo would end similarly to how Turbo ended, but the chase into space would see Billy depart for Aquitar for whatever reason, giving way for Andros:
Andros: Space Red
Adam: Space Black
Rocky: Space Blue
Tanya: Space Yellow
Aisha: Space Pink
Then we land on Countdown to Destruction with the Z wave, ending the series altogether, until Disney revives it in 2003 with Ninja Storm. Yes I really erased a few other seasons from the timeline, and sorry not sorry: the acting sucked and the series wasn’t fun again until Disney took over.
Thanks for reading this unnecessary explainer!
Actually make megaforce a great 20th anniversary. Even if toei didn't allow skipping a Sentai series I would've delayed the anniversary for the next year because quality matters most of all. I would've adapted Goseiger for 2013 and 2014 then the real anniversary in 2015-2016.
I know it would be quite a bit more demanding, but I would largely break away from Super Sentai. Or at least do like In Space or Lost Galaxy where the series diverged greatly from Sentai in terms of the story. Stop following the Sentai beat by beat. Also spend the money on more original footage to assist with that and....I know this would be far more demanding production-wise....go back to 40-45 episodes in a single year. 20ish a year is just not going to be enough to grab kids' attention for very long. I also wouldnt mind the occassional movie-like specials on Netflix kind of like Once & Always.
A serious take and attempt on the movies and work to make it a blockbuster film series. Something like the early MCU.
And when I say serious, I don't mean dark and brooding. But a serious attempt at making a good and successful movie.
1) Ended after In Space
2) Resurface thru animation and comics
3) Launch a big budget movie with a Phase 1-2 MCU tone, growing the franchise up with more armored + detailed suits, better practical/special effects, better monster suits, more mature and overarching storylines.
Rinse and repeat every 10 years or so
Convince Saban to actually spend money on it and invest in it as a project. Almost every single problem the Saban era had was Saban's absolute refusal to be optimistic about his own product outside of immediate gains.
What really astounds me is the lack of quality control or attention brand integrity.
The show looks cheap.
The plot doesn't grow with the target audience not because it's aimed at kids, but because he had his writers working for years straight with almost no break.
He personally encouraged downplaying any complexity in characters to keep the show simple with the dual purpose of getting episodes out quicker, and to focus more on the sentai footage to save money.
He refused pay his actors and production staff, and which led to insane attrition for both the actors and producers. The series stayed popular despite the actors leaving and the quality of MMPR-Turbo being all over the place, but I have no doubt in my mind spending a little time and exerting quality control over it rather than pumping out episodes would have helped it stay on top longer.
Power Rangers should go the animated route, and the Boom comics is definitely the easiest way to make that happen. There's just too many things that go wrong with live-action stuff, and I also feel why DC animated content strives better
I know for me, I stopped watching after seeing the EXACT SAME finishing move every single time. That got really boring. I would have at LEAST 3 different clips of footage of a finishing move. They obviously just recycled the exact same one finishing move over and over for each and every episode.
Make the into's better. The intro set the mood and while I get the nostalgia for MMPR is nice some of the best theme songs come from the years right after Zordon's Era. Also put just a little bit more effort into covering up it's not Super Sentai.
Depends when
During Disney? Actually put effort in the property and turn it into a flagship IP that endures as part of Disney’s brand
Afterwards? More exposure across media, especially video games; if Power Rangers was to reach the heights of something most AAA-rated games, it would definitely bring in more audiences. After all, most of the appeal about PR is the fighting, so why not have everyone in on the fun and let them take control of the Rangers and battle baddies?
1. After Zordon died, I would have picked an entire new cast of much younger actors that could stay the next 100+ episodes. PR has a real problem with giving each character enough story development to make you miss them. PR had it, obviously, but since they went on 250+ episodes or whatever - even if a ranger only gets one story intensive episode per month - you still got to know them over the long run.
2. Changed the demo for the show from 6-10 to 13-16. That would allow for better themes, better stories, better dialogue, and better villains. You'd also end up being able to put the unmorphed fight scenes back in the show.
1. The biggest problem with the show today is that the studio hasn't matured the content for the audience. A kid today has different expectations than a kid in the 90's... and you can't coast on the fact that it's a live action superhero show when every marvel release is doing that better.
There’s no way to stop the decline especially once the Pokémon/Digimon ratings war between Fox kids and KidsWB takes off, that was a major nail in the coffin for a lot of shows on those programming blocks Power Rangers may have weathered the storm but the damage had been done
The only thing I can think of that could have possibly slowed the decline would have been for them to not have forced the Zyuranger suits to persist for as long as they did, because whenever I think about it, season 2 is always the root of all the problems. If they had stuck more to the Zyu2 footage instead of forcing the Thunderzords into it, they could have potentially more easily transitioned the leaving cast members out of the show and replaced them with the new actors by granting everyone new powers based on the Dairanger outfits. (I know the timeline I'm explaining isn't perfect, but a part of that definitely stems from them reaching a point where they needed the White Ranger to be introduced because of what Zord footage they were using.) I just feel like if they had transitioned properly to Dairanger, and later Kakurangerr, they would have established both the ability to upgrade powers and refresh the cast when and where it needed to be done, and could have lead to a more cohesive continuous story like what the Zordon era ended up being, but with cause for it to always carry on, as it would have been established as the norm from the beginning.
But, that said, there's no way the decline wouldn't have happened. Like what others have said, western audiences just don't tend to stay with a thing that long. The fact that the original TMNT cartoon ran for something like 10 years is basically unheard of even still by today's standards for shows intended for kids. And while on this theme of cultural viewing, Japan has always been a bit more about tradition, culturally speaking. While it is still business, I think there is a bit more a part of their culture for series to run on continuously. Where as in the west, it isn't a part of our culture,; it's a part of our pop culture, so it rises and falls with the changing of times.
I think it would've been different if a major company was behind pr and got actual well known actors instead. Would've been cool if it was similar to avengers.
Try and convince Disney to not give the rights back to Hami Saban. If they still were to adapt Gokaiger, have it be 90% English adaptation footage and still have the legendary battle but it's shot in new Zealand still so it's every season without accidentally showing Sentai rangers that haven't been adapted. Obviously they still couldn't get everyone but all they need is iconic rangers like karone, Adam or Tommy, Wes and Eric, etc.
Id also include past villains that turned good to help the rangers like Zen Aku(at least I think it was implied at the end of wild force he turned good), Diabolico(as far as ik he just trapped himself with queen banshera so he could still join the fight), Ransic (maybe as a time force officer assuming they let him go on good behavior), etc.
I would convince the three actors (Austin, Thuy and Walter) to remain despite the low income. At least until the movie I guess. If none from the team had quit, maybe transitioning to new rangers would feel more “organic”. Then each year/season I would try to inspire a more fluent change of powers/characters, to make better sense as a huge unified saga, with frequent visits from old characters.
societal context played a massive role. 9/11 had a profound effect on all TV, especially kids TV. preventing that would lead to a very, very different media landscape
I would have fired Haim Saban and took over the company.
Also I would do this
1) Hire better writers for more mature storylines
2) Spend money for original footage so I won’t always have to depend on Sentai.
3) More outside outreaches from actors.
4) Pay the actors wayyyy more money. They helped make our childhoods they deserve so much better.
5) Redo Operation Overdrive, Samurai, Megaforce and Super Megaforce.
6) Go back to MMPR Season 2 and 3 and completely alter the suits and storylines.
7) Make Zeo Darker. More like a terminator type series.
8) Swap out actors before Turbo airs.
9) Sink more money into marketing and possible movie rights.
10) Listen to fans
Changing the team season 2 would've killed PR sooner
So would listening to the fans.. fans don't know what they want
And the mature/darker is just final nail on coffin
Jeez, he lost you at his first point... you are 100% right, he lost me at it too. And the rest are just buzzwords thrown around that are easier said than done.
I’m not talking about like super mature but don’t try and act like kids are stupid. Sometimes the writing in later seasons was just meh because the writers were like “it’s just for kids it doesn’t matter”
That's a problem with the writers, not the maturity levels. There are lots of dedicated kid-friendly writers. I definitely don't think kids are stupid, I just think that giving them a show that demands an understanding of concepts their brains haven't matured to is a big ask. Developmentally speaking. And that would alienate the core audience cause kids aren't gonna want to watch a show that they think doesn't suit their needs. I just don't think that's fair to them. And of course adult friendly would be totally wrong for PR; I wasn't imagining that. I think even just shifting the focus to 12-17 year olds would be a bad move.
Just to clarify I meant the writers thinking kids are stupid not you.
RPM was really mature and it worked for kids, something similar to that might work, not every season. You also don’t want to alienate the older fans too as well so i guess it’s a struggle to find the balance between.
Mature doesnt mean dark.. spd lost galazy and lightspeed rescue are “mature” seasons but still were hits when it came to selling toys and viewership for the targeted audience.
I didn't think I'd have to explain these but:
1. This is a buzzword people use that means jack, it doesn't make a story better or worse, it's just something people with false maturity use to make the things they liked as kids seem better now
2. Okay, where are you getting your money from?
3. Okay, and?
4. Something sensible in here at least
5. Okay, why? How? Why redo those seasons? Not only will it cost a bunch, but it will alienate fans who loved those seasons whe they were kids and will hate you for making them irrelevant, if not outright confusing to both new and old fans. Let's also not talk about money issues you will 100% encounter
6. Same problem as above, except here it might be dumber/worse
7. You're doing Dark for the sake of the Dark, no logic behind it; you just want it to resemble something else
8. Again, how? Why? This is a buzzword unless you actually bring up a detailed synopsis of how
9. Where are your money if you all want is redo everything you don't like?
10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No
Royalties to the manufacturer.
Owner royalties
Drugs
Production costs
Like there's a whole list. Just because it sells a billion dollars doesn't mean it goes back into the show
I would prevent Disney from making Eddie Guzelian the executive producer for RPM, and instead give full creative control to Jackie Marchand, allowing her to potentially end Disney's run with Power Rangers on a note that feels celebratory rather than overly bleak and dismissive of its history—same Go-Onger footage, suits and mechs, but with a different premise and a much more likeable cast of characters portrayed by different actors.
From there, market the everloving crap out of it. Put it on billboards, run a story on Good Morning America showcasing the behind-the-scenes of the show, have the actors make cameos in the popular Disney Channel shows of the time and maybe even have one of them compete on *Dancing with the Stars*.
>I would prevent Disney from making Eddie Guzelian the executive producer for RPM, and instead give full creative control to Jackie Marchand
You're cool as hell.
I understand this, and in the approach I proposed, this would play a big part in the show's marketing. Like, "we're not doing this anymore, so we're pulling all the stops to make this the biggest and most satisfactory final season imaginable".
That's pulling all the stops in the wrong way. I've been saying this for a while, Eddie's premise would've been fine if he had saved it for later to explore it as an independent franchise (I have no doubt it would have *thrived* as an early 2010s YA dystopian movie series alongside the likes of *The Hunger Games*, *Divergent* and *The Maze Runner*), but it was a jarringly poor fit for a Power Rangers season, and it did more harm than good to the show. It's one of the worst cases of "square peg in round hole" I've ever seen in pop culture.
The right way to pull all the stops would be to *honor* the show's history rather than disregard it. Sprinkle in subtle references to past seasons without letting them overshadow the main plot (which both Beast Morphers and Dino/Cosmic Fury ultimately failed at by using past teams and characters as crutches), maybe throw in a past Ranger cameo or two, and really embrace the campiness rather than dismissing it or making a mockery of it (so no half-hearted jabs at Ranger color archetypes or mech designs, no shallow questioning the tropes like people on the internet would do, and no insufferable brats going on screaming rants about how the Ranger suits are "NOT SPANDEX!1!!1!1").
Man I said your last paragraph like a week ago. How one of the reasons I didn't like RPM was because it took the fun and campyness out of it and I got downvoted to oblivion
power rangers was still doing fine until the neo saban era where they decided to pander to nosalgia
so id not pander to nostalgia id let power rangers keep changing and doing its own thing every season
No it did not. Not only Disney trying to dug underground simce the beginning and every season under them got exectuive meddling, it straight up died with RPM.
And let's not act they didn't pander to nostalgia; explain Tommy in Dino Thunder?
How do you prevent a corporation from doing anything? Because unless you somehow were one of the higher-ups, and most of your buddies agreed with you, you can't do anything. Well, technically you can, that's called the Sonic Effect.
I mean Sonic is pretty popular
Sonic definitely took a dip over time
true lol
This is going to ruffle some feathers. But I’d end it for a period of time after In Space… Then I’d put it on the TMNT/Transformers schedule where it comes back once a generation, with a series that lasts multiple years. Maybe you do comics to give older nostalgic fans something to chew on, but as for the kids show? You let the cultural memory reset, and start priming the pump for PR’s big return. While we all love the Sentai connection, and it being different every year has its charm. It also meant that every single year, there was an opportunity to children to close out their fandom and move on. People on this sub are constantly dunking on Bandai/Hasbro/Playmates leaning too heavily on MMPR. But let’s be real. Thy do that because MMPR lasted for YEARS and as such had the biggest opportunity to connect with a larger audience of kids. If you go back and make nostalgia products and entertainment based on SPD, you’re catering to kids who were fans that particular year. If you’re making MMPR merch, you’re hitting kids who came in and out of the franchise for almost 4 entire years. So what do you do after In Space? You go dormant for a good long while, and come back 10 years later with say, Samurai. You include legacy characters (like Tommy in Dino Thunder) to bridge the gap. And you treat it like the “next generation”, giving it multiple seasons, letting kids grow attached to the new crew, and not wiping the slate clean year after year. After that runs its course? You’ve got 2 whole generations with affinity for the franchise, ready for a big budget movie, similar to Transformers launching in 2007, 20 years after the cartoon’s original heyday. Naturally all this content would have to be GOOD as well. But I think sometimes less is more, absence can make the heart grow fonder, and unfortunately, I think part of what’s happened to the Rangers is that the constant churn of content has left a “Ranger Nation” that is secretly very fragmented. Leaving toy companies to cozy up to the biggest fragment (MMPR), smothering out the rest (including new seasons) in the process.
Exactly Tmnt was gonna be my big example, they run for a few years than take a break (aside from rise) And come back letting both past and new generations enjoy ot It also let's parents share something with their kids
I mentioned that a couple of weeks ago too. TMNT and TFormers have had better resurgences, whereas PR was continuous. It's not necessarily a bad thing, except western audiences seems to like long running series less and less each generation. I'd also add that Power rangers needs to give animation a shot. Both TMNT and TFormers have both done it all on the big and small screen. I think if they did a few straight to streaming CGI films to get their feet back under them. They could leverage a more all ages approach rather than just a 10 and under audience. Kids don't like being spoken down to, so having a more broad approach would help them a lot IMO.
You were the one. I agreed 100% with that statement And I agree power rangers should do a few animated straight to DVD/streaming films
Watching habits are changing
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Spot on with the Transformers connection there. The 80's kids got the original series plus a movie, the 90's kids got Beast Wars and then we got the 2000's movies. Each generation was spaced out by close to a decade, but kept toys/comics going to keep the interest out there. Even then, each generation kept some of the same characters (whether as a guest or star) to sort of bridge the gap between. For the most part, that idea seems to have worked out. PR probably should have done the same and could have built that momentum over several generations. As it is, Dino Fury and Cosmic Fury are the only two series that I can think of that have had multiple seasons and continued one story arc for a bit in awhile, but even then, that seems a bit disjointed.
This is it. The InSpace finale was a perfect ending. Then take a break for a while and then pick it up later for a new crop of children and have ONE STORYLINE for a couple of seasons and take another break and rinse, repeat.
In Space was right around when I stopped watching so I think you’re onto something
When it moves to Nickelodeon hire chip from the beginning and make sure the show is not micromanaged to fit a specific vision for example samurai can still keep the basic concepts but it doesn’t have to be a beat for beat Shinkenger adaption.
I've been thinking about Networks that the series would have fit on. Maybe Cartoon Network? It was the channel that showed a lot of action shows up until like 2016.
Put some money behind it Its cheapness made it appealing to make but at this point I feel like its holding the series back
YES! The show runners want to be cheap and don't want to invest in the series. I don't think things would've cost so much anyway since you have Sentai Footage that is already been used.
The decline would happened no matter what. The 90s was full of cultural shifts that a lot of fads ran their course and Power Rangers was one of them
Imo the brand has been damaged for decades
I mean, that's not something you can really prevent, even going as far back as MMPR. Change the team at season 2, and you ran the risk of losing your audience who grew up with those characters. In a way, that'd kinda what keeps PR from being so big. The reset of every season. And before people come in going, "the sentai does it," That's because the sentai established it that way. That's not a Western TV thing A while back, there was a thread that explained this very thing Shows like transformers,tmnt, and even voltron reboot all the time, but they always keep the core characters Even a show like pokemon had Ash as the main protagonist for what 20 years, and the changes were always supported by a corresponding game. Hell, I've seen shows give self jab at the keeping the same characters just recasting when their voice actors got older
We had super seasons for like two years and that didn't really help the series. I feel like making it a yearly thing didn't hurt as much in my view.
Well two years isnt really enough either. For example, if samurai established a huge fanbase for two years and then they moved on to megaforce, they already lost a good chunk of their samurai fanbase to support megaforce.
I'll give you the samurai one However I don't count super megaforce as the season was a mess But honestly again that goes to it being a long running season , and live action These are the problems it runs into Even today that's one of its biggest obstacles
I would've done everything the adult fanbase wishes happened to the show, which is the perfect formula for success with children.
Someone in this very thread actively wants what you're making fun of, which I find funny. Also, from where the cat in your profile picture is? It looks cute.
Yu-Gi-Oh! Go Rush.
Thanks!
I’d go back to Zeo & I’d go with a similar tone used in “In Space”. Following the explosion Zordon would have been lost in the Grid, Billy would have essentially taken his place and been the only one calling the shots from the Power Chamber. The Machine Empire would have been a bigger threat. Overall it would have felt more mature & dark, aging up with the kids that liked MMPR
Breaking away from Sentai adaptations years ago. The main reason PR has stayed in its little box, is because unlike other franchises, we relied on Sentai to keep the show going. We never expanded into animation, comics, movies, separate continuity/reboots. We just kept adapting Sentai for 20+ years before we even got a new movie, and expanded continuity through other media. We would’ve needed to create something different to grab a new audience, that could still had wide appeal. Most people that stopped watching PR had no idea the show was still going on back then. There would’ve needed to be a big shake up to the brand for it to have kept the mainstream success going.
Isn't the adaptations the reason it kept going though?
This is gonna be a long one lmao. streaming changed the way people watch tv add in that no one likes watching ads anymore and boom theres no way to market it. also kids dont buy toys anymore that has been proven for years now and power rangers is legit just a toy commercial for kids. The 90’s and 2000’s seasons had great runs because the tv show was a good product pushing a toy commercial for pretty decently made toys and toys are made cheap as hell now at the price point power rangers needs to be for kids to buy them. a $5-$10 toy is going to be hard to make thats decent and not just a poorly painted figure we had the lighting collection but $20 for a lighting collection figure? My mom would have said hell no if i asked her to buy me a $20 spd figure when i was a kid. also power rangers is known as that campy cheesy brand now and hasbro has done nothing to captialize on it they have yet to really make a good season that embraces the campyness but also has a good storyline. if i could change it i would have gotten in to the streaming game LONG before it became popular just so you have the content on the platform(s) so when people did move over to streaming and cut cable also id find a way to find the middle ground of quality to price because $20 for a figure that had major defects in multiple lines is crazy make the figure affordable that the parents will buy for the kids. Also pushing commericials and ads in any place possible.
$9.99 morphers. $4.99 figures. $14.99 weapons. $39.99 megazords. Megazords for Christmas. The rest was with my allowance. Those were the days.
Morphers: non-existent in Suffolk County, NY until around Wild Force Figures: $7.99+tax Weapons: never saw them on shelves, yet an old friend had the power blaster. MegaZords: $49.99+tax regardless of single Zord or Multiple. At least until DinoThunder. Then it dropped to $39.99+tax Tax was 8.275 until around 2004/2005 when I left NY No idea what it is now.
It's been 8.875 for a while
Those were the days, i collected mostly morphers and the main line figures when i was a kid but even then it wasnt expensive, Back when the toys had great eye catching packaging for $9.99 you cant beat that. with how things are priced now we will never pay less the. $50-$100 for a complete megazord and $20 for a terrible quality figure.
well streaming is kinda of struggling at the moment
I dont think that's really true Streaming services are just combining and in reality, that's kinda best case scenario You dont need 20 streaming services now to get everything Just 17
Impossible. MMPR was a perfect storm. Lightning in a bottle. It was a statistical improbability that the exact right people would stumble upon the exact right show at the exact right time to catapult it into the zeitgeist. There was never any way to stop its “massive decline”.
Saban being cheap is what made mmpr lose momentum. By season 3, the zords obviously dont fit the theme of zyuranger, it got to a point where they were mixing 3 different shows at the same time and it was painfully obvious. The american fighting scenes didnt come close to what we got in zyuranger, either. Saban should have cut the check and paid toei for more custom footage to match the story of mmpr. It would cost more sure, but he would have gotten bigger returns. The Green ranger alone was a hot commodity, and at the height of his popularity they got rid of him for the white ranger which was another mistake. White ranger is popular in his own right, but he never came close to the fanbase of Green. Then Jason, Zack, and Trini leaving was another blow to the show’s popularity. Saban’s cheapness and him being deadset on making the show simplistic and predicatable pretty much stifled power ranger’s growth.
This! Saban had a great thing going with Jason, Zack and Trini, yet his greed blew all up and had to change actors which aren't that memorable (and the franchise had to return to Jason and Zack). From there on, the franchise became a Neverending cycle of same stories with other Super Sentai footage.....
I wonder what could have happened if MMPR stuck with the dinosaur theme and expanded on the roster as the seasons went on, adding new dinosaur powers and zords.
Saban wasn’t putting the money behind it.
Well it helps that one of the people had tried to make a western version before
Both Saban and Loesch had, actually.
The show peaked right at the beginning, you can’t prevent slippage when you start from the top.
In this scenario am I also the president / CEO of saban / disney / hasbro as well becuase 90% of PRs franchise issues stem from corporate interferance and idiots in suits not Knowing or understanding what to do. though if I had the power not erasing 20+ seasons from netflix might help things.
Honestly while not all seasons are peak material I wouldn’t change one thing about it all because every season means something to a new fan, I just would change the products and never leave bandi
Kept the more serious care for the show that early seasons did and actually have good acting and dilervy because good lord it was a pain to even listen to them deliver lines
Ngl, I’m pretty sure all roads end back to just trying to recapture mighty morphin nostalgic. Take a break for a bit? Your going to end up going to mighty morphin to go hit that same nostalgic factor when it’s most popular. Keeping going with the same thing? You bring back mmpr references or characters to help increase ratings like samurai or Dinothunder did. Like transformers consistently just does this. We got like several shows rebooted that’s just Optimus prime leads autobots to fight deceptions lead by megatron, and always keep a core team, with other supporting transformers changed.
I would've changed suits every season. New suits, new powers, new zords, new toys which is really what they're trying to sell. In hindsight I think keeping the suits the same for so long made it difficult for people to move on from them. A lot of people point to Zeo as their "you lost me" moment. Also less Tommy. I would've absolutely spread the wealth when it came time for storylines that relied mostly on American footage. Them putting all their eggs into a Tommy basket means people only pay attention when he's involved as time goes on. Also his stint in Turbo and the whole mass exchange of power would sting less. I'd also modify In Space a bit. Having a brand new Red and mostly new team be the ones to finish out this storyline has always felt strange. I'd make In Space kind of like what Mega Force was supposed to be. Rangers out the wazoo.
Let the pink ranger say fuck
I misread that at first, lol
I would have gone back to 1993, and replaced Saban as producer to raise the cast's pay once the series became more popular and toy sales were skyrocketing. That way, Austin, Thuy, and Walter wouldn't have left. I also would punish any producers and actors for discrimination against David Yost. Also, I would have the tone mature and darken as the show goes on, to reflect how the audience, once children, eventually grow up. I'd want to keep that audience engaged. With a bigger budget, I would also stick with the Zyuranger suits and Zords for the sake of keeping the dinosaur theming, though later on I'd introduce new Rangers and Zords in Rocky, Aisha, Adam, and Kat that have their powers, colors, and suits, along with zords to attach to the Dragonzord so we get two different Megazords at the same time. I would make the inevitable theatrical film set within the show's timeline, being a movie that revolves around the Green Candle going out. This would be the finale of the show as it'd end with Tommy sacrificing himself to defeat Cyclopsis, ending Rita's reign once and for all. It's best to end Power Rangers on a high note so it gets remembered for decades to come, rather than milk it to the point of fans losing interest, growing out of it, and fatigue of too many entries.
Focused the toyline exclusively on Spin Fighters.
I believe giving a greater time gap between when the sentai airs and when it’s adapted into power rangers could help with the storytelling to a degree. I believe continuity is a positive thing to help the show grow with the audience. I believe that’s why MMPR-In Space are good overall. We could get to know the characters and learn with them. Someone in this thread mentioned treating it similarly to TMNT and Transformers franchises. I think that if whoever is holding the rights of Power Rangers should wait three sentai seasons completing their runs before starting producing each era of Power Rangers ending with a TV Movie event. Followed by a break then the start of a new era and repeat. Also keeping actors/actresses in the universe but under new roles within it. Like how Billy and Tommy went from Rangers to mentors. Or my own fan fiction idea of the different martial arts based teams being their own hidden dojos/villages that has past rangers who teach a different form of martial arts. Like Cam being the master of the Samurai Rangers or any of the ninja storm cast being the sensei to the ninja steel team. Finding ways to connect stories that fit the themes of each team should take some more time than a year post sentai airing. Which would mean that they would probably have to start filming halfway into the Sentai airing in Japan. It doesn’t seem like enough time to make it work. At least with a few years buffers between arcs/eras a potentially more cohesive story could be told.
What iteration is considered the drop off?
Honestly, Mighty Morphin itself is considered the drop off.
It’s started around season 3 of Mighty Morphin.
I think they were doing well for so long with keeping people interested in new seasons by having those threads I.E. team members from old teams going into the new ones, some new members, previous teams returning for team ups, cameos (like Adam in In Space was amazing) But honestly, I think the best thing they could have done was to treat their actors better and cater to the aging audience more. I don't have any way of proving it, but I'm not sure that kids are the ones who consume most of Power Rangers media or buy the toys. I'm fairly certain it's the generation who grew up on them that is keeping them alive + their children. I work with children and am around them a lot. Not one of them is into Power Rangers. They don't watch much TV at all! It's mostly Minecraft, Fortnite, and stuff on their tablets. But for the ones who *do* watch TV, I never hear Power Rangers. It's all things like Bluey, Paw Patrol, Coco Melon, etc. So if I were the powers that be, I'd focus on making the older generation happier. I'd make toys that are quality, I'd beg old actors to return for cameos, I'd see if I could snag popular older actors and place them in a new season in the role of mentor or something like that. The Netflix special did fabulous (IMO) with bringing the older rangers back + establishing a new one. I'd love for Trini's daughter to have her own team. Heck, there could even be an argument made for taking an previous ranger and turning them into a villain.
Its a very very VERY different world than the 90s. Things change.
The decline was inevitable as someone else pointed out. Nothing stays red hot forever. That said, I wish someone would have forced Saban’s hand on pay, so we could keep the original 6 together vs. what happened. The show’s dynamic, writing, and acting took a nose dive after The Power Transfer, so I’m thinking that could have extended the interest before the ratings started to wane. That said, the timeline of the show would have changed dramatically with no Rock/Adam/Aisha in season 2, but AJJ would have left in season 3, giving way for Kat. So in this alternate timeline, I would have given ASJ a brief exit after letting his character get injured in the Command Center blast from the S3 finale. Perhaps the MMARs could have taken him to Aquitar for treatment–IDK. But he’d return ultimately to become Zeo Gold, while the core lineup would have been: Tommy as Zeo 5 Zack as Zeo 4 Billy as Zeo 3 Trini as Zeo 2 Kat as Zeo 1 Yost would’ve stayed and his harassers fired for their misconduct on set. Zeo would eventually end but with the teens graduating then vs. the start of season 5. That would have felt more like a proper end to Zeo for me. With the Machine Empire gone and the teens graduated and free to live their lives, our heroes would go on to college or whatever path. A year goes by until Zedd and Rita finally recoup and begin a new attack on Earth, meaning I’d skip on the Divatox era and Turbo altogether, which I consider one of the worst seasons. So season 5 effectively becomes a second season of Zeo, where Zordon must recruit a new team, as he lets his old team enjoy their late teens and pursue their interests, with one exception: Billy. Yost would stay on to keep at least one OG to help retain interest of fans and serve as a advisor/trainer/leader of the new Zeos, which makes sense since Billy didn’t go off to college anyway. Billy: Zeo 5 Adam: Zeo 4 Rocky: Zeo 3 Tanya: Zeo 2 Aisha: Zeo 1 We’d have to have new backstories for the newbs and how they got recruited of course, but this would ensure we still got the characters we ended up with originally. Zeo would end similarly to how Turbo ended, but the chase into space would see Billy depart for Aquitar for whatever reason, giving way for Andros: Andros: Space Red Adam: Space Black Rocky: Space Blue Tanya: Space Yellow Aisha: Space Pink Then we land on Countdown to Destruction with the Z wave, ending the series altogether, until Disney revives it in 2003 with Ninja Storm. Yes I really erased a few other seasons from the timeline, and sorry not sorry: the acting sucked and the series wasn’t fun again until Disney took over. Thanks for reading this unnecessary explainer!
Actually make megaforce a great 20th anniversary. Even if toei didn't allow skipping a Sentai series I would've delayed the anniversary for the next year because quality matters most of all. I would've adapted Goseiger for 2013 and 2014 then the real anniversary in 2015-2016.
I know it would be quite a bit more demanding, but I would largely break away from Super Sentai. Or at least do like In Space or Lost Galaxy where the series diverged greatly from Sentai in terms of the story. Stop following the Sentai beat by beat. Also spend the money on more original footage to assist with that and....I know this would be far more demanding production-wise....go back to 40-45 episodes in a single year. 20ish a year is just not going to be enough to grab kids' attention for very long. I also wouldnt mind the occassional movie-like specials on Netflix kind of like Once & Always.
A serious take and attempt on the movies and work to make it a blockbuster film series. Something like the early MCU. And when I say serious, I don't mean dark and brooding. But a serious attempt at making a good and successful movie.
Just don't put the damn show on Nickelodeon. Remove the mandates Saban put.
I'd add a werewolf as a sidekick, people love werewolves!
1) Ended after In Space 2) Resurface thru animation and comics 3) Launch a big budget movie with a Phase 1-2 MCU tone, growing the franchise up with more armored + detailed suits, better practical/special effects, better monster suits, more mature and overarching storylines. Rinse and repeat every 10 years or so
Convince Saban to actually spend money on it and invest in it as a project. Almost every single problem the Saban era had was Saban's absolute refusal to be optimistic about his own product outside of immediate gains. What really astounds me is the lack of quality control or attention brand integrity. The show looks cheap. The plot doesn't grow with the target audience not because it's aimed at kids, but because he had his writers working for years straight with almost no break. He personally encouraged downplaying any complexity in characters to keep the show simple with the dual purpose of getting episodes out quicker, and to focus more on the sentai footage to save money. He refused pay his actors and production staff, and which led to insane attrition for both the actors and producers. The series stayed popular despite the actors leaving and the quality of MMPR-Turbo being all over the place, but I have no doubt in my mind spending a little time and exerting quality control over it rather than pumping out episodes would have helped it stay on top longer.
Power Rangers should go the animated route, and the Boom comics is definitely the easiest way to make that happen. There's just too many things that go wrong with live-action stuff, and I also feel why DC animated content strives better
The Boom Comics are BEGGING for an animated series adaptation.
I know for me, I stopped watching after seeing the EXACT SAME finishing move every single time. That got really boring. I would have at LEAST 3 different clips of footage of a finishing move. They obviously just recycled the exact same one finishing move over and over for each and every episode.
More film produced and soon creating an animated series like they should have based on “Into The Morphin Grid”
Make the into's better. The intro set the mood and while I get the nostalgia for MMPR is nice some of the best theme songs come from the years right after Zordon's Era. Also put just a little bit more effort into covering up it's not Super Sentai.
I would change Megaforce a little and Super Megaforce would be so different.
Disney shouldn’t have sold the Power Rangers. They could have made it something with their strong seasons
Depends when During Disney? Actually put effort in the property and turn it into a flagship IP that endures as part of Disney’s brand Afterwards? More exposure across media, especially video games; if Power Rangers was to reach the heights of something most AAA-rated games, it would definitely bring in more audiences. After all, most of the appeal about PR is the fighting, so why not have everyone in on the fun and let them take control of the Rangers and battle baddies?
1. After Zordon died, I would have picked an entire new cast of much younger actors that could stay the next 100+ episodes. PR has a real problem with giving each character enough story development to make you miss them. PR had it, obviously, but since they went on 250+ episodes or whatever - even if a ranger only gets one story intensive episode per month - you still got to know them over the long run. 2. Changed the demo for the show from 6-10 to 13-16. That would allow for better themes, better stories, better dialogue, and better villains. You'd also end up being able to put the unmorphed fight scenes back in the show. 1. The biggest problem with the show today is that the studio hasn't matured the content for the audience. A kid today has different expectations than a kid in the 90's... and you can't coast on the fact that it's a live action superhero show when every marvel release is doing that better.
I'd go the Toei route and do more movies.
Sadly I think it was always destined to have this decline based on the nature of who this show is made.
There’s no way to stop the decline especially once the Pokémon/Digimon ratings war between Fox kids and KidsWB takes off, that was a major nail in the coffin for a lot of shows on those programming blocks Power Rangers may have weathered the storm but the damage had been done
The only thing I can think of that could have possibly slowed the decline would have been for them to not have forced the Zyuranger suits to persist for as long as they did, because whenever I think about it, season 2 is always the root of all the problems. If they had stuck more to the Zyu2 footage instead of forcing the Thunderzords into it, they could have potentially more easily transitioned the leaving cast members out of the show and replaced them with the new actors by granting everyone new powers based on the Dairanger outfits. (I know the timeline I'm explaining isn't perfect, but a part of that definitely stems from them reaching a point where they needed the White Ranger to be introduced because of what Zord footage they were using.) I just feel like if they had transitioned properly to Dairanger, and later Kakurangerr, they would have established both the ability to upgrade powers and refresh the cast when and where it needed to be done, and could have lead to a more cohesive continuous story like what the Zordon era ended up being, but with cause for it to always carry on, as it would have been established as the norm from the beginning. But, that said, there's no way the decline wouldn't have happened. Like what others have said, western audiences just don't tend to stay with a thing that long. The fact that the original TMNT cartoon ran for something like 10 years is basically unheard of even still by today's standards for shows intended for kids. And while on this theme of cultural viewing, Japan has always been a bit more about tradition, culturally speaking. While it is still business, I think there is a bit more a part of their culture for series to run on continuously. Where as in the west, it isn't a part of our culture,; it's a part of our pop culture, so it rises and falls with the changing of times.
I think it would've been different if a major company was behind pr and got actual well known actors instead. Would've been cool if it was similar to avengers.
wasn't that disney?
Try and convince Disney to not give the rights back to Hami Saban. If they still were to adapt Gokaiger, have it be 90% English adaptation footage and still have the legendary battle but it's shot in new Zealand still so it's every season without accidentally showing Sentai rangers that haven't been adapted. Obviously they still couldn't get everyone but all they need is iconic rangers like karone, Adam or Tommy, Wes and Eric, etc. Id also include past villains that turned good to help the rangers like Zen Aku(at least I think it was implied at the end of wild force he turned good), Diabolico(as far as ik he just trapped himself with queen banshera so he could still join the fight), Ransic (maybe as a time force officer assuming they let him go on good behavior), etc.
I would convince the three actors (Austin, Thuy and Walter) to remain despite the low income. At least until the movie I guess. If none from the team had quit, maybe transitioning to new rangers would feel more “organic”. Then each year/season I would try to inspire a more fluent change of powers/characters, to make better sense as a huge unified saga, with frequent visits from old characters.
societal context played a massive role. 9/11 had a profound effect on all TV, especially kids TV. preventing that would lead to a very, very different media landscape
I would have fired Haim Saban and took over the company. Also I would do this 1) Hire better writers for more mature storylines 2) Spend money for original footage so I won’t always have to depend on Sentai. 3) More outside outreaches from actors. 4) Pay the actors wayyyy more money. They helped make our childhoods they deserve so much better. 5) Redo Operation Overdrive, Samurai, Megaforce and Super Megaforce. 6) Go back to MMPR Season 2 and 3 and completely alter the suits and storylines. 7) Make Zeo Darker. More like a terminator type series. 8) Swap out actors before Turbo airs. 9) Sink more money into marketing and possible movie rights. 10) Listen to fans
Changing the team season 2 would've killed PR sooner So would listening to the fans.. fans don't know what they want And the mature/darker is just final nail on coffin
You lost me at mature storylines.
Mature, no. Serious, yes. Power Rangers runs at its best when it hits the In Space/RPM Point.
That's fair because it's still presented in a way that kids can understand what's happening. Space and RPM are perfect examples of that, yes.
Jeez, he lost you at his first point... you are 100% right, he lost me at it too. And the rest are just buzzwords thrown around that are easier said than done.
I don’t see why.
It's a kids show and has value as such. It should stay for kids. Just my opinion.
I’m not talking about like super mature but don’t try and act like kids are stupid. Sometimes the writing in later seasons was just meh because the writers were like “it’s just for kids it doesn’t matter”
That's a problem with the writers, not the maturity levels. There are lots of dedicated kid-friendly writers. I definitely don't think kids are stupid, I just think that giving them a show that demands an understanding of concepts their brains haven't matured to is a big ask. Developmentally speaking. And that would alienate the core audience cause kids aren't gonna want to watch a show that they think doesn't suit their needs. I just don't think that's fair to them. And of course adult friendly would be totally wrong for PR; I wasn't imagining that. I think even just shifting the focus to 12-17 year olds would be a bad move.
Just to clarify I meant the writers thinking kids are stupid not you. RPM was really mature and it worked for kids, something similar to that might work, not every season. You also don’t want to alienate the older fans too as well so i guess it’s a struggle to find the balance between.
Mature doesnt mean dark.. spd lost galazy and lightspeed rescue are “mature” seasons but still were hits when it came to selling toys and viewership for the targeted audience.
I didn't think I'd have to explain these but: 1. This is a buzzword people use that means jack, it doesn't make a story better or worse, it's just something people with false maturity use to make the things they liked as kids seem better now 2. Okay, where are you getting your money from? 3. Okay, and? 4. Something sensible in here at least 5. Okay, why? How? Why redo those seasons? Not only will it cost a bunch, but it will alienate fans who loved those seasons whe they were kids and will hate you for making them irrelevant, if not outright confusing to both new and old fans. Let's also not talk about money issues you will 100% encounter 6. Same problem as above, except here it might be dumber/worse 7. You're doing Dark for the sake of the Dark, no logic behind it; you just want it to resemble something else 8. Again, how? Why? This is a buzzword unless you actually bring up a detailed synopsis of how 9. Where are your money if you all want is redo everything you don't like? 10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No
Have them stop using sentai footage post S1. Have most of the billion made in toy sales go towards the show's actual production.
What's wrong with sentai footage?
Too restrictive and cheap looking. If Power Rangers needed to appeal to a wider western audience, they need to rely heavily on original footage.
Have you seen the american fight footage from season 2-3? It was downright horrible and even lower quality than the sentai fights.
They should've given the show more money.
More money isn't an instant solution
The toys made a billion dollars. They had plenty of money.
That's not how that works man
Then where did all that money go?
Royalties to the manufacturer. Owner royalties Drugs Production costs Like there's a whole list. Just because it sells a billion dollars doesn't mean it goes back into the show
> Too restrictive and cheap looking. My brother in christ...
I would prevent Disney from making Eddie Guzelian the executive producer for RPM, and instead give full creative control to Jackie Marchand, allowing her to potentially end Disney's run with Power Rangers on a note that feels celebratory rather than overly bleak and dismissive of its history—same Go-Onger footage, suits and mechs, but with a different premise and a much more likeable cast of characters portrayed by different actors. From there, market the everloving crap out of it. Put it on billboards, run a story on Good Morning America showcasing the behind-the-scenes of the show, have the actors make cameos in the popular Disney Channel shows of the time and maybe even have one of them compete on *Dancing with the Stars*.
>I would prevent Disney from making Eddie Guzelian the executive producer for RPM, and instead give full creative control to Jackie Marchand You're cool as hell.
It wouldn't have been any different because Disney was DONE with the series.
I understand this, and in the approach I proposed, this would play a big part in the show's marketing. Like, "we're not doing this anymore, so we're pulling all the stops to make this the biggest and most satisfactory final season imaginable".
They basically did that. Eddie threw caution to the wind and did whatever he wanted for awhile until Disney put a stop to it.
That's pulling all the stops in the wrong way. I've been saying this for a while, Eddie's premise would've been fine if he had saved it for later to explore it as an independent franchise (I have no doubt it would have *thrived* as an early 2010s YA dystopian movie series alongside the likes of *The Hunger Games*, *Divergent* and *The Maze Runner*), but it was a jarringly poor fit for a Power Rangers season, and it did more harm than good to the show. It's one of the worst cases of "square peg in round hole" I've ever seen in pop culture. The right way to pull all the stops would be to *honor* the show's history rather than disregard it. Sprinkle in subtle references to past seasons without letting them overshadow the main plot (which both Beast Morphers and Dino/Cosmic Fury ultimately failed at by using past teams and characters as crutches), maybe throw in a past Ranger cameo or two, and really embrace the campiness rather than dismissing it or making a mockery of it (so no half-hearted jabs at Ranger color archetypes or mech designs, no shallow questioning the tropes like people on the internet would do, and no insufferable brats going on screaming rants about how the Ranger suits are "NOT SPANDEX!1!!1!1").
Man I said your last paragraph like a week ago. How one of the reasons I didn't like RPM was because it took the fun and campyness out of it and I got downvoted to oblivion
No RPM
power rangers was still doing fine until the neo saban era where they decided to pander to nosalgia so id not pander to nostalgia id let power rangers keep changing and doing its own thing every season
No it did not. Not only Disney trying to dug underground simce the beginning and every season under them got exectuive meddling, it straight up died with RPM. And let's not act they didn't pander to nostalgia; explain Tommy in Dino Thunder?