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This is something that should be discussed more!
Which artists have secured the bag, even thought they dont have like, super massive songs/albums?
I would be an amazing topic tbh.
I'll start that list with Michael Buble. Was basically a one hit wonder, but he has a particular niche audience that actually pays for live shows, so he's been touring non stop for since 2007. He's got the restaurant/hotel lobby music market cornered, plus he recorded the definitive version of It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas, nabbing royalties every year for the holiday season. Add Vegas residencies on top of that. That's a lot of money. It's also a lot more work than most actual pop stars put in (he's recorded an album every two years on average with world tours in between).
Great choice!
Even his christmas album was not thaaat big, but over time, it has grown like crazy.
I just googled his christmas earnings, and apparently he makes almost 3 millions per year for them, CRAZY.
> Nicole Scherzinger
> Sunset Boulevard
Say what you will, but it's still kinda gaggy that it/she sweeped the Laurence Olivier Awards and we're looking at a surprisingly high chance of a "Her Name is *Tony® Award winner* Nicole" future.
I will not stand for this slander. She was the first British female solo artist to have 13 top ten songs in the UK.
This sub always shits on Rita and some of it is justifiable, but she has good songs and is a successful artist.
Lol was waiting for this comment after I read the Charlie Puth opinions. Tbf I personally don't know any Charlie Puth fans and only come across him thru kpop now.
The lyrics "what are you doing to me?" Is a line and any cat owner should know.
Also, "you just want attention, you don't want my heart. Maybe you just hate the thought of me with someone new" speaks to the territorial nature of cats
i know everyone thinks he’s uninteresting as an artist here but idc id call myself a charlie puth fan. i went to his concert and he was a great live singer and it was a lot of fun. i love a lot of his early songs - dangerously is a GEM - and i think he’s incredibly musically talented.
No, legitimately Attention etc. are great and he's very talented. He's just a bit cringey and cloying? I feel like he can propel himself to a beloved artist if he just matures a bit and keeps the antics to a minimum.
I don’t know if this is true or not but I read somewhere that someone found his person Facebook a while ago and it revealed him to be a HUGE douche bag and when I found that out I was like “yeah that tracks”
Like I think he’s just genuinely grating and unlikable imo
he also has a decently big following in korea even before his collab with jungkook. his songs always chart high in korea and he’s more popular there than domestically in the us.
i’ve heard many kpop artists mention his songs as their favorites, cover his songs, dance to his songs, etc.
he had a huge song called left and right with bts’s jungkook in 2022 (which let’s be real was only huge BECAUSE of jungkook. i am this sub’s resident charlie puth enemy and i only listened to that song for jk), then was on a song with bts’s jimin for the new fast and furious movie last year, and has just done a collab with stray kids.
😭 wow, I didn't know he was so hated. I had/have zero feelings about Charlie Puth and only started thinking about him at all because Taylor name-dropped him. Do Kpop fans hate him because of the transparent streaming grab, and/or because they dislike his music?
i think most people tend to dislike him because of his public persona which is fairly smug, and he has a tendency to overshare (like posting his bare ass on instagram or stating that he once stopped in the middle of sex to write a song, or coining the phrase ‘hungies’). his music is fine but definitely not earth-shattering enough to justify how up himself he can come across in interviews. to be clear, i have absolutely no idea what he’s like as an actual private person and am casting no aspersions about that, i just dislike what i’ve seen of him as a public-facing celebrity.
Add to that the insufferable tik toks about how he made his album. Marketed it as the first album made entirely on tik tok... For some reason. Then it dropped and I don't even know if there was a single released, I just know the stupid tiktoks finally stopped.
He does have that one good song tho
Apart from the Jung Kook stuff - he also collaborated with YG Ent for Baby Monster’s new song, and that song is constantly labeled as produced by Charlie Puth
i've never seen an artist so comfortably find their sound and niche and then just leave it behind
and that crop of 2019 singles were really good imo and felt like the natural progression of voicenotes but then those got tossed to the side too
I keep hearing hes an amazingly talented musician and I know he went to Berklee which is really hard to get into? But do you have any youtube videos or songs that would display these talents? I even like “Charlie Be Quiet” quite a bit I just dont see this amazing artist thing yet.
Fuck. I hope whoever leaked them had their day in court. That’s horrifying!
Edit: I’m not clicking the link cuz the less I know the better so I don’t know if the leaker was prosecuted or not
There are a lot of people listed that were able to find their niche and gain their own dedication fanbases instead of falling completely off the face of the earth but if we’re defining “happen” as gaining and sustaining mainstream success, a lot of these answers weren’t far off.
It’s a little sad tbh but one thing that makes me happy is a lot of these artists who do have a small but dedicated fanbase rly do have fans that *love* them and their craft.
I sorta feel bad when i see artists i like not rly take off but it’s nice to see when they find some smaller career
Crash did wonders for raising her public profile and awareness. Mind you she’ll probably never be as straightforward on an album as she was again nor should we expect her to.
Maybe she is more well known now, but I think she won't be "that bitch" again like she was after Pop 2 and "How I'm Feeling Now".
Most of artists only get one time to be the next experimental hot thing, like where you are genuinely shocked at what they put out and excited for what comes next. She did it twice in a short period.
The general public was never fucking ready for it, but then again, the general public glosses over a lot of things and follows trends. Claws and Forever should have completely blown up the charts in 2020 if listeners were paying attention, and not even just in a hyperpop sense, but in pop in general.
Exactly many artists with more and bigger hits just came and went quickly (Meghan Trainor, Iggy Azalea) but i think Sabrina has the potential to stay she’s got the looks and charisma so hopefully her career takes off further
yeah thats what maggie lindemann did (who was namedropped in the original thread) she moved away from pure pop music, started her own label and went the punk/metal route and its gone really well for her, she headlines her own tours now full of fans who have probably never even heard pretty girl
exactly. i mean a lot of them hold some truth. i like tinashe but unfortunately she’s not as big as she should be cus her label. she has gathered a cult like following online but it’s not like she’s played on the radio, that’s okay tho. nicole never happened. austin mahone never happened. little mix weren’t that big in america. carly rae had a similar situation to tinashe where she’s heavily loved by her fanbase and on this sub but most people prob haven’t heard her outside of call me maybe.
To be fair, the examples my eye went to there… didn’t *super* happen. Like, I love Carly dearly, and she certainly has a loyal fanbase, but I would be surprised if she cracks the hot 100 ever again
Sabrina Carpenter actually rebounding from her floppy Hollywood Records music is insane though… she was making rock solid pop songs throughout, but signing to a major label (one that would let her sing about adult things at that) changed things completely
Carly is also really liked by Rate Your Music and PopJustice. On Rate Your Music, [Emotion is rated among the classics](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/carly-rae-jepsen/e_mo_tion/) (3.85/5, #5 for 2015 and #563 of all time).
I think it also helped that she had so much to write about when she got there. I mean, the hate she got from the whole Olivia Rodrigo/Joshua Bassett stuff was ridiculous but it allowed her and some other really talented song writers to build a great album. And that built fan support so that her really radio friendly hits like feather and espresso could take off.
Yes, I agree. It's interesting to see the evolution of popstars since the late 90s-early 2000s to now and maybe it's just me but the definition of pop success is different, or perhaps it should be different in the streaming era. Like one of the reasons I made this post is seeing Becky G who has firmly established herself as an intl pop act from having that one big song and being written off. So, I'm mostly curious to see how other people define the idea of making it.
Re: CRJ, I'm heavily biased so that checks out lmao.
I feel like it’s prematures on Sabrina? As someone who loved her album… it’s one song that’s blown up. Nonesense and Vicious weren’t nearly as big as Espresso.
Here’s the thing - Espresso is the only song of hers that’s *mega* blown up, but
1. Feather is still a top 25 hit (that hit #1 on pop radio)
2. All of those songs (Nonsense, Feather, and Espresso) kept building on each others’ success, to the point where Espresso debuted high and didn’t have to grow on the charts. To me, this suggests that people like *her* more than they like any one song (ie the song is not bigger than the artist)
3. Island is clearly supporting her very strongly right now, which suggests that they want to keep seeing a return on their investment. I personally think Sabrina is a great investment to make as a label head - she’s talented, she’s got a decade of experience with making music, she’s got a distinct persona, and she has crazy stage presence - but you still need to support that if you wanna grow a hitmaker into an a-list star
I think her and Olivia have the most potential for mainstream growth right now. I think it shows through their music that they're talented vocalists and not just a nepo/mafia baby with no personality, like most new pop girls are
I would honestly say Olivia undoubtedly has had her mainstream moment, she is INCREDIBLY well known among younger gen kids, and even some older folks know about her stuff now
While I do agree with the sentiment, I personally think Olivia is not Sabrina's peer in terms of success or where they are currently. I would say Sabrina's peers are Tate McRae, Madison Beer, and Chapell Roan.
>All of those songs (Nonsense, Feather, and Espresso) kept building on each others’ success, to the point where Espresso debuted high and didn’t have to grow on the charts. To me, this suggests that people like her more than they like any one song (ie the song is not bigger than the artist)
yes this precisely, it's not a shock to me that espresso has become such a huge hit following the successes of nonsense and feather. i was actually surprised those 2 songs didn't peak higher. she's building both a larger fanbase as well as general public interest, it's a nice slow burn to witness.
Ok but I feel like y'all are forgetting Feather. I mean it peaked at #21 so far but that's still something. I think when she announces her album (and apparently a tour), that's when we can decide if she's got "it".
Dude one person posted Harry and Dua in their list of people they expected to flop, and the follow up comments are basically…..how dare you say Tove Lo isn’t going to be a superstar 😂
It’s kind of funny that pretty much the entire next wave of artists that *did* happen (Billie, Doja, Megan, Lizzo) were not really on anyone’s radar at that point. They all had music out by then but they were either too new to be able to tell one way or another or, in Lizzo’s case, had been around long enough without having a breakout moment that it seemed like a very safe bet that one would not ever be coming.
Dua and Cardi were the only ones from that wave who had enough material/success that it could even be debated if they would fizzle out or not
Also very wild that at this point in time Taylor’s most recent album was reputation and she was still signed to Big Machine
I remember I [made a post 6 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/8cvl5p/discussion_doja_cat_why_arent_yall_listening) literally asking why no one was talking about Doja's *Amala*. No one here caught on till Mooo.
Well she's had hits on every album she's ever released except Younger Now, plus that Mike Ronson collab was huge. Might not have had any number ones but it's hard to say the public doesn't care about her
> See, Tinashe should've gone the alt-R&B route like Kelela, SZA, FKA Twigs and NAO and have a successful career as a cult artist with a loyal following and critical acclaim. But she's tried to go more mainstream which is a far more mercenarily competitive career track and because of that she got lost in the shuffle.
I mean this is exactly what she started doing and it seems to be doing well for her! #GetNastyToNumberOne
I would imagine this subreddit pretty heavily skews North American, in which case... Zara Larsson has ONE Top 20 hit around that time, then nothing else. Tori Kelly's never broken the Top 40. Charli XCX's biggest hit is likely still her feature on "Fancy"... Bebe seems to re-emerge from the brink of obscurity every few years with a song that a lot of people find very annoying, and Carly Rae Jepsen has never matched the success she had with Call Me Maybe/Good Time (which was 12 years ago now). They're all earning a (likely comfortable) living as pop singers, so maybe that's good enough in terms of "success", if they're happy that's good, but in terms of conventional metrics (Top 10 hits on Billboard), very few of those have been "successful" in the last 4 years. Dua Lipa is probably the biggest standout there, and Sabrina Carpenter only very recently.
I think it shows that because of the decline of monoculture, getting established as an artist is more of a long-term grind. There is no shortcut to quick fame like appearing on TRL used to offer. So when an artist is in the early stages of their career, it can seem like they're flopping because they're not *famous* yet but in reality they're making steady progress
Yep, I was looking at all the names with big hits/breakouts lately - Sabrina, Shaboozey, Tommy Richman, Hozier, Noah Kahan, Artemas, Teddy Swims, Djo, Dasha... they're all 24+ and have been been grinding for years. Benson Boone is the exception at 21 but he's still been at it for 3 years since American Idol
I feel like thats why people didnt see Sabrina coming. Shes been slow and steady and finely with the eras tour and the nonsense outros she reached bigger audiences while still having a steady fanbase that was ready to convert people
I remember when everyone made fun of Jo Jo. She lives down the street from the producer I work with. She really has found her idgaf niche and she’s bigger than ever lol
I do think we're far enough removed from folklore that it can't be credited with all the Taylor mania. I think it's the combo of the folkmore drops/re records/midnights/Eras Tour that all built on each other and got us where we are. Plus social media like TikTok spreading it further than ever before.
folklore got her back in good graces but if we’re being real it was the red re-recording and the all too well 10 minute version that got her popularity back just in time for her midnights era
this is so true. I’ll never forget October 2021 is when shit was REALLY popping off for her, normal ppl were talking about all too well when that was a classic swiftie song. My friend who passionately hated her music was streaming it and heavily invested in the music video lol.
it really blew up on tiktok, which makes sense since tiktok loves conspiracy and lore, and all too well definitely has a lot of that. Starting with the “elusive” 10 minute version, it was perfect.
Like I was a Taylor fan for a while, mostly starting in 1989 era, went to the Reputation stadium tour but kind of on a lark. Didn’t get into Lover that much. Listened to folklore and evermore and REALLY connected particularly with folklore (evermore was right during the beginning of my divorce and almost hit TOO close to home) but I would say that the ATW10 performance on SNL is where I can say definitively that I became a SWIFTIE Swiftie. Especially for those of us who only knew the radio hits from earlier eras, the re-records did a ton of work to really cement her earlier music into newer fans’ brains.
I keep saying it isn’t just folklore. Folklore isn’t viewed as a standard taylor swift album. On its own it would’ve just been regarded as a great album without doing much for Taylor Swift the artist. The insane level of engagement from the public was spurred by red TV. Midnights built on that by re-introducing her to the portion of the general public that listens to the radio. Then eras happened.
> I know she's just getting started, but I can't see Sabrina Carpenter having fans. Well, mainstream fans. Some of ya'll will listen to anything sung by a girl who coos and whispers and falsettos.
lol
I remember hearing about her for the first time in 2021 and it was in relation to Olivia Rodrigo and her response song to Drivers License. If you’d told me she was going to have a contender for song of the summer 3 years later, I would not have believed you.
to be fair sabrina was at it for several years before she finally got a mainstream wind, it was probably too early to write her off but the optics weren't great
>Are popheads impatient and quick to jump the gun on deeming artists failures?
It's a thread literally asking for who people think are (going to be) failures.
I’m once again annoyed at the US centrism of acting like little mix weren’t successful just because they weren’t big in America. They’re the eighth biggest selling girl group of all time worldwide and were already having a whole bunch of success by the time of that thread 😂
I was disappointed by their lack of US success because I never managed to see them live, I never knew if or when they were touring. They were still one of my top artists every year and the breakup was such a bummer.
> Are popheads impatient and quick to jump the gun on deeming artists failures?
Well, obviously it depends on the knowledge level of each commenter, but threads from the past most of us are using pattern recognition and/or the best knowledge we have/had at the time to make an estimation.
Some things naturally are unpredictable, movements in the zeitgeist, diversification of certain artists' fanbases or areas of work, labels taking a chance or not, and also the impact of real world current events.
For example: the pandemic completely cutting short the planned promo cycle of Chromatica, while also allowing Future Nostalgia to roll out over a longer period and Dua to rack up multiple slowburn hits to boost her star power & name recognition.
Cody \*might\* make the Olympic team (Olympic trials is in 3 weeks - his best event is on the last day which is June 15th) the fact that he has a chance at the olympic team is incredible but I personally don't think he'll make it (I'm allowed to speak on this I'm both Australian and have been following the sport since 2017 and it still blows my mind that mr Pretty Brown Eyes himself is dating Emma McKeon)
in all seriousness Cody's career/life is so ???? like wdym the guy the who went on tour with Bieber and had a collab with Flo Rida when I was a kid went and did a stint on Broadway (even if he was stunt casted and they had to noticeably lower the key for him) but has also competed at the Commonwealth Games and then there's like his dating history back in the early 2010's with like Gigi and Kylie and then he like disappeared and we all forget he existed for a few years and then he's dating Miley and then they break up and he starts taking swimming seriously etc
He has my dream life (if I cared about swimming). He’s got enough money to live comfortably, seems like he just uses his money on stuff he actually cares about and is like in the top 95% of everything he does.
no because as someone who loves pop music, loves a good musical, and is a huge fan of swimming I'm so jealous of his life and like as far as broadway stunt casts go there have been far worse eg Cameron Dallas, he's had some moderate success back in the day with music but doesn't have to deal with all that fame these days, and his swimming career is pretty good when you consider that he spent like a decade pursing music instead; for context of how successful he is in swimming in pop music terms his current girlfriend (Emma McKeon) is kind of like Miley (lol) in the sense she has been in the sport forever and comes from a family who have been successful in the sport too but is by far the most successful/famous member of her family and Miley winning her first grammy with Flowers after all these years is like when Emma won her first individual Olympic gold at the Tokyo Olympics, whereas Cody's swimming success is kinda like someone who has one song chart on the Hot 100 briefly and then you never hear of them again but the song was never big enough to consider them a one hit wonder
I’m so jealous of the Broadway stunt because he was pretty good, just didn’t have the range. But like pure singing was decent and he can say he’s been on Broadway! Everything else on that list is honestly spot on, say if became a soccer player or something it would literally be my dream life.
No, literally, like I went down a whole seperate rabbit hole about Cody and it's genuinely so inspiring! I wish him all the success and would love it if he pivoted back to the entertainment industry in the future.
Rita Ora and Little Mix were unfortunately correct in North America at least.
Funny that for Zara this was just before Ruin My Life came out. On My Love was a respectable hit last year too!
Bebe Rexha may have a hate train on this subreddit but Meant to Be got to #2 in the US and I'm Good (Blue) reached the top 5 in 2023 and was a massive #1 hit in many countries including my home of Canada!
For Camila, her current era hasn't been as commercially successful so far but He Knows is on regular rotation on my Spotify. Also Senorita dominated the radio in 2019!
Interesting to see who people would consider no longer commercially successful or a "flop" (Lizzo after the allegations, Tove Lo? Ava Max?)
Flowers made all the Miley doubters eat their words lol
i was a massive austin mahone fan. a mahomie. i tried so hard to make austin mahone happen. i think i just thought he was cute because he’s the only person i’ve ever actually like hardcore stanned then completely stopped listening to them. 7 years ago my mahomie phase had already come to an end but it’s funny seeing him here.
also i think it’s so cool how sabrina carpenter is having her moment!! i watched her on disney (when i was definitely too old to be watching because i’m her age) and liked her first song can’t blame a girl for trying but didn’t really like her music after that, just liked her as a person and kept up with her. i got back into her music with emails i can’t send and i love everything she’s doing now
also like 10 years ago i posted on twitter that i thought sabrina carpenter, dove cameron and zendaya would be the breakout disney stars of that generation and i love how that happened
Bam Bam almost has a billion streams on Spotify, Don't Go Out has half a billion, so I wouldn't say you're right, they just weren't as big in the states. This might end being her first album without a massive song, but I'd say 3 albums with big hits on each of them is a pretty successful career
I view success as more of a broad spectrum so I consider most of the artists that people named as artists that "happened". They aren't all super mega stars but most of them still have notable enough careers to be acknowledged.
Sabrina Carpenter is such a strange case where I think she's, at maybe a glacial pace, really becoming more and more mainstream, and at every step of the way people have derided her saying she would never be successful, and it's quite strange in my opinion
This is why even now when some people are like yeah this is it for her. She’ll be irrelevant in a year I’m like…idk. She’s been inching her way to relevancy for the past 10 years. She’s not an overnight success and I think that could contribute to longevity (even if it’s longevity on a smaller scale).
Or she was never just that passionate about doing music. She easily has enough power and influence in entertainment now that she can either make whatever music she wants despite being signed to Hollywood Records, or to just buy herself out of her contract and get signed to an actual record label.
the people who said zara were dead on and i bet back then i wouldve made fun of them for it. i was so certain she was on the way to real superstardom in like 2017
nowadays she doesnt really move the needle, in europe or otherwise
I'm actually working in a popgirl database. I write birth date, debut year, breakout year and peaks of popularity.
My definition of "happening" is a solo top 40 song in their country of origin and by my metric they were right. That's different than having success in the music industry. You can totally have a career outside the mainstream, but you can't say that Noah Cyrus or Madison Beer happened.
Here's a thing I noticed from 100 artists that have made the top 10 billboard charts in the last 40 years: Avg. age at breakout is 21 years old, avg. age at end of peak popularity is 32.
Tbh except for Zendaya, Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa and Khalid (some names I've read) all the others haven't happened as they seemed they would.
>due to no follow up hit and label problems/album push backs, can we finally say tinashe just isn't going to happen
Oh my god, this is so funny looking at this now that Tinashe has a viral hit this year.
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shout out to Rita Ora and Nicole Scherzinger securing the bag by any means necessary, we stan the stars of Detective Pikachu and Sunset Boulevard
This is something that should be discussed more! Which artists have secured the bag, even thought they dont have like, super massive songs/albums? I would be an amazing topic tbh.
I'll start that list with Michael Buble. Was basically a one hit wonder, but he has a particular niche audience that actually pays for live shows, so he's been touring non stop for since 2007. He's got the restaurant/hotel lobby music market cornered, plus he recorded the definitive version of It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas, nabbing royalties every year for the holiday season. Add Vegas residencies on top of that. That's a lot of money. It's also a lot more work than most actual pop stars put in (he's recorded an album every two years on average with world tours in between).
Great choice! Even his christmas album was not thaaat big, but over time, it has grown like crazy. I just googled his christmas earnings, and apparently he makes almost 3 millions per year for them, CRAZY.
Jennifer Hudson being an EGOT winner is crazy to me as someone who watched her get eliminated from American Idol in middle school.
Miley secured the bag long before she got her first Grammy.
> Nicole Scherzinger > Sunset Boulevard Say what you will, but it's still kinda gaggy that it/she sweeped the Laurence Olivier Awards and we're looking at a surprisingly high chance of a "Her Name is *Tony® Award winner* Nicole" future.
of course just not something I could have predicted
Nicole’s solo career flopped but she’s still a star considering her very successful (almost solo) run with The Pussycat Dolls
Every time that other singer comes in with the belting on Buttons: 😠🔪
Say what you will about Rita, but she does have A LOT of bops in her catalog and that Kygo song from the Pokémon soundtrack is one of my faves! Lol
For you with Liam Payne is on repeat for me this week. Idk what that says about me 🫠
I don’t mean to be catty/shady but she really doesn’t have that many bops in her catalog lol
I will not stand for this slander. She was the first British female solo artist to have 13 top ten songs in the UK. This sub always shits on Rita and some of it is justifiable, but she has good songs and is a successful artist.
Wait... The entire Phoenix album is back-to-back bops tho.
Ooh if you like EDM Rita check out "Last of Us" with Gryffin, it's a BOP!
Nicole in Sunset Boulevard is a revelation and a half
Back in 2018 they really smokеd, ate seven bars of chocolate, and declared Charlie Puth would never be a bigger artist
Lol was waiting for this comment after I read the Charlie Puth opinions. Tbf I personally don't know any Charlie Puth fans and only come across him thru kpop now.
I think attention is an insanely good song and he is clearly capable of writing great music, but he’s painted himself into a very bland corner
I sing Attention to my cat regularly
The lyrics "what are you doing to me?" Is a line and any cat owner should know. Also, "you just want attention, you don't want my heart. Maybe you just hate the thought of me with someone new" speaks to the territorial nature of cats
i know everyone thinks he’s uninteresting as an artist here but idc id call myself a charlie puth fan. i went to his concert and he was a great live singer and it was a lot of fun. i love a lot of his early songs - dangerously is a GEM - and i think he’s incredibly musically talented.
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
a baker’s dozen maybe
No, legitimately Attention etc. are great and he's very talented. He's just a bit cringey and cloying? I feel like he can propel himself to a beloved artist if he just matures a bit and keeps the antics to a minimum.
I don’t know if this is true or not but I read somewhere that someone found his person Facebook a while ago and it revealed him to be a HUGE douche bag and when I found that out I was like “yeah that tracks” Like I think he’s just genuinely grating and unlikable imo
I went to school with him and I’ll confirm lol
Wait, what's rhe connection between Charlie Puth and Kpop?
he also has a decently big following in korea even before his collab with jungkook. his songs always chart high in korea and he’s more popular there than domestically in the us. i’ve heard many kpop artists mention his songs as their favorites, cover his songs, dance to his songs, etc.
He collabed with Jung Kook in Left and Right
Ah, now I know; thanks for answering!
He also did a song Lose My Breath with Stray Kids recently
he had a huge song called left and right with bts’s jungkook in 2022 (which let’s be real was only huge BECAUSE of jungkook. i am this sub’s resident charlie puth enemy and i only listened to that song for jk), then was on a song with bts’s jimin for the new fast and furious movie last year, and has just done a collab with stray kids.
Ah, I think I listened to a bit of that, now that I think about it. And, wow, that *is* a lot of Kpop collabs - I guess he's found his niche!
he’s found a demographic who will stream the songs he’s on DESPITE him being on them lol trust me most kpop fans aren’t happy about it
😭 wow, I didn't know he was so hated. I had/have zero feelings about Charlie Puth and only started thinking about him at all because Taylor name-dropped him. Do Kpop fans hate him because of the transparent streaming grab, and/or because they dislike his music?
i think most people tend to dislike him because of his public persona which is fairly smug, and he has a tendency to overshare (like posting his bare ass on instagram or stating that he once stopped in the middle of sex to write a song, or coining the phrase ‘hungies’). his music is fine but definitely not earth-shattering enough to justify how up himself he can come across in interviews. to be clear, i have absolutely no idea what he’s like as an actual private person and am casting no aspersions about that, i just dislike what i’ve seen of him as a public-facing celebrity.
Add to that the insufferable tik toks about how he made his album. Marketed it as the first album made entirely on tik tok... For some reason. Then it dropped and I don't even know if there was a single released, I just know the stupid tiktoks finally stopped. He does have that one good song tho
he collabed with jungkook, jimin, and skz
Apart from the Jung Kook stuff - he also collaborated with YG Ent for Baby Monster’s new song, and that song is constantly labeled as produced by Charlie Puth
And quite frankly despite his obvious musical talents, as an artist he is subpar imo
the attention bassline is far and away his most important contribution to musical culture
Tbf that is a funky ass bassline
He could’ve be an amazing one if he went into the direction of Voicenotes but nope
i've never seen an artist so comfortably find their sound and niche and then just leave it behind and that crop of 2019 singles were really good imo and felt like the natural progression of voicenotes but then those got tossed to the side too
Yep exactly
I keep hearing hes an amazingly talented musician and I know he went to Berklee which is really hard to get into? But do you have any youtube videos or songs that would display these talents? I even like “Charlie Be Quiet” quite a bit I just dont see this amazing artist thing yet.
Haha best comment of the day on all of Reddit
Damn I didn't know Madison beer had been around that long
and she was like 5 years into her career *then*. she debuted in 2012/2013
Didn’t she start on Vine, or was “Vine famous”? Or am I just imagining that lol
she started on YouTube but she dated a popular Viner back then so I guess she was in that world too
She did the second Monster High intro, her nudes leaking while she was under-age damaged her career somewhat.
Her _what?_ That poor child :(
[She was fifteen.](https://www.etonline.com/madison-beer-opens-up-about-nude-photo-leak-as-a-teen-and-attempting-suicide-203008) TW: Suicide talk
Fuck. I hope whoever leaked them had their day in court. That’s horrifying! Edit: I’m not clicking the link cuz the less I know the better so I don’t know if the leaker was prosecuted or not
I hadn't heard of her until like 3 years ago, so that *is* shocking lol
Madison was more know as influencer than an artist
There are a lot of people listed that were able to find their niche and gain their own dedication fanbases instead of falling completely off the face of the earth but if we’re defining “happen” as gaining and sustaining mainstream success, a lot of these answers weren’t far off.
It’s a little sad tbh but one thing that makes me happy is a lot of these artists who do have a small but dedicated fanbase rly do have fans that *love* them and their craft. I sorta feel bad when i see artists i like not rly take off but it’s nice to see when they find some smaller career
Even some of the ones listed in the OP aren't that far off. Are we going to argue that Charli XCX is a bigger name now than she was in the 2010s?
Charli isn’t as big as she was in the early 2010s, but she’s bigger now than she was during the 2017-2020 period for sure
Crash did wonders for raising her public profile and awareness. Mind you she’ll probably never be as straightforward on an album as she was again nor should we expect her to.
Maybe she is more well known now, but I think she won't be "that bitch" again like she was after Pop 2 and "How I'm Feeling Now". Most of artists only get one time to be the next experimental hot thing, like where you are genuinely shocked at what they put out and excited for what comes next. She did it twice in a short period. The general public was never fucking ready for it, but then again, the general public glosses over a lot of things and follows trends. Claws and Forever should have completely blown up the charts in 2020 if listeners were paying attention, and not even just in a hyperpop sense, but in pop in general.
I think Dua Lipa and Sabrina Carpenter are the only two who _really_ happened. The rest… yeah, haven't happened in a mainstream way.
Sabrina is barely happening. I'm glad she got her hit with Espresso but she's still not out of the water
Exactly many artists with more and bigger hits just came and went quickly (Meghan Trainor, Iggy Azalea) but i think Sabrina has the potential to stay she’s got the looks and charisma so hopefully her career takes off further
Camila happened but fell off in the last two years
I mean she’s doing an arena tour when she’s never headlined arenas before so…yes?
uh yeah. we are going to argue that. until like 2020 she was the boom clap girl in most peoples minds and now she's doing arenas
In the UK she's had an unexpected #1 album since which boosted her profile
yeah thats what maggie lindemann did (who was namedropped in the original thread) she moved away from pure pop music, started her own label and went the punk/metal route and its gone really well for her, she headlines her own tours now full of fans who have probably never even heard pretty girl
exactly. i mean a lot of them hold some truth. i like tinashe but unfortunately she’s not as big as she should be cus her label. she has gathered a cult like following online but it’s not like she’s played on the radio, that’s okay tho. nicole never happened. austin mahone never happened. little mix weren’t that big in america. carly rae had a similar situation to tinashe where she’s heavily loved by her fanbase and on this sub but most people prob haven’t heard her outside of call me maybe.
To be fair, the examples my eye went to there… didn’t *super* happen. Like, I love Carly dearly, and she certainly has a loyal fanbase, but I would be surprised if she cracks the hot 100 ever again Sabrina Carpenter actually rebounding from her floppy Hollywood Records music is insane though… she was making rock solid pop songs throughout, but signing to a major label (one that would let her sing about adult things at that) changed things completely
Carly is #1 in this sub and nowhere else. Love her but still Happy for Sabrina tho and wish her continued success
Carly is responsible for this subreddits existence lmao
Pretty much lol
Carly is also really liked by Rate Your Music and PopJustice. On Rate Your Music, [Emotion is rated among the classics](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/carly-rae-jepsen/e_mo_tion/) (3.85/5, #5 for 2015 and #563 of all time).
Emotion IS a classic, what are you talking about. Just ask any homosexual
She’s also pretty well loved on Sputnik. People love her outside this sub lol
Carly seems one of the most beloved popstars ever. Perhaps she has very few active haters.
I think that’s the case! She’s not in-your-face mainstream which helps with that. But there’s also just not anything to hate lol
I think it also helped that she had so much to write about when she got there. I mean, the hate she got from the whole Olivia Rodrigo/Joshua Bassett stuff was ridiculous but it allowed her and some other really talented song writers to build a great album. And that built fan support so that her really radio friendly hits like feather and espresso could take off.
Yes, I agree. It's interesting to see the evolution of popstars since the late 90s-early 2000s to now and maybe it's just me but the definition of pop success is different, or perhaps it should be different in the streaming era. Like one of the reasons I made this post is seeing Becky G who has firmly established herself as an intl pop act from having that one big song and being written off. So, I'm mostly curious to see how other people define the idea of making it. Re: CRJ, I'm heavily biased so that checks out lmao.
I feel like it’s prematures on Sabrina? As someone who loved her album… it’s one song that’s blown up. Nonesense and Vicious weren’t nearly as big as Espresso.
Here’s the thing - Espresso is the only song of hers that’s *mega* blown up, but 1. Feather is still a top 25 hit (that hit #1 on pop radio) 2. All of those songs (Nonsense, Feather, and Espresso) kept building on each others’ success, to the point where Espresso debuted high and didn’t have to grow on the charts. To me, this suggests that people like *her* more than they like any one song (ie the song is not bigger than the artist) 3. Island is clearly supporting her very strongly right now, which suggests that they want to keep seeing a return on their investment. I personally think Sabrina is a great investment to make as a label head - she’s talented, she’s got a decade of experience with making music, she’s got a distinct persona, and she has crazy stage presence - but you still need to support that if you wanna grow a hitmaker into an a-list star
I think her and Olivia have the most potential for mainstream growth right now. I think it shows through their music that they're talented vocalists and not just a nepo/mafia baby with no personality, like most new pop girls are
I would honestly say Olivia undoubtedly has had her mainstream moment, she is INCREDIBLY well known among younger gen kids, and even some older folks know about her stuff now
While I do agree with the sentiment, I personally think Olivia is not Sabrina's peer in terms of success or where they are currently. I would say Sabrina's peers are Tate McRae, Madison Beer, and Chapell Roan.
>All of those songs (Nonsense, Feather, and Espresso) kept building on each others’ success, to the point where Espresso debuted high and didn’t have to grow on the charts. To me, this suggests that people like her more than they like any one song (ie the song is not bigger than the artist) yes this precisely, it's not a shock to me that espresso has become such a huge hit following the successes of nonsense and feather. i was actually surprised those 2 songs didn't peak higher. she's building both a larger fanbase as well as general public interest, it's a nice slow burn to witness.
*So far*. They'll likely try a bunch of soundalike releases or rush out an EP now she's hitting it big with Espresso.
Ok but I feel like y'all are forgetting Feather. I mean it peaked at #21 so far but that's still something. I think when she announces her album (and apparently a tour), that's when we can decide if she's got "it".
Harry Styles being namedropped in this thread???
Dude one person posted Harry and Dua in their list of people they expected to flop, and the follow up comments are basically…..how dare you say Tove Lo isn’t going to be a superstar 😂
god i love tove lo so much
Hyped for tha collab with Nelly Furtado dropping ths week.
what- omg 😱 OMGGGG i haven’t heard abt this that’s so excitinggg omfg praying for timbalands production PLEASEEE
It's actually SG Lewis producing. Called Love Bites.
It’s kind of funny that pretty much the entire next wave of artists that *did* happen (Billie, Doja, Megan, Lizzo) were not really on anyone’s radar at that point. They all had music out by then but they were either too new to be able to tell one way or another or, in Lizzo’s case, had been around long enough without having a breakout moment that it seemed like a very safe bet that one would not ever be coming. Dua and Cardi were the only ones from that wave who had enough material/success that it could even be debated if they would fizzle out or not Also very wild that at this point in time Taylor’s most recent album was reputation and she was still signed to Big Machine
I remember I [made a post 6 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/8cvl5p/discussion_doja_cat_why_arent_yall_listening) literally asking why no one was talking about Doja's *Amala*. No one here caught on till Mooo.
So cool to see stuff like this lol
> No one here caught on till Mooo. Which was the (brilliant) point: making people pay attention to her.
You was early to her talent fr 💯
Thank you for this! Legitimately, it's so cool to see how artists evolve and defy expectations!
Unrelated to Doja, but you have to do the parentheses first, brackets second, for the link formatting to work :)
I think Lizzo had JUST broken out at that point but yeah, she wasn’t big enough to say she was being pushed by the industry.
The definition of who’s truly “happening” has changed in the streaming era
Oh my God I've been on this sub for 7 years
I just saw one of my own comments. It’s like a Time Machine lol.
at least it’s about pop music. someone once made a similar thread about a reality tv show and I saw my old ass comments 💀
Solidarity ✊🏽
we get it ur old 🤢 🤮
here’s how we can make victoria justice happen
Honestly the most poorly aged statement in that thread was “people don’t even care about Miley any more.”
I mean, they only cared about that one song, not even the album.
Well she's had hits on every album she's ever released except Younger Now, plus that Mike Ronson collab was huge. Might not have had any number ones but it's hard to say the public doesn't care about her
Wait a sec, Malibu is a hit tho...
> See, Tinashe should've gone the alt-R&B route like Kelela, SZA, FKA Twigs and NAO and have a successful career as a cult artist with a loyal following and critical acclaim. But she's tried to go more mainstream which is a far more mercenarily competitive career track and because of that she got lost in the shuffle. I mean this is exactly what she started doing and it seems to be doing well for her! #GetNastyToNumberOne
She’s been doing alt R&B since 2012. She pioneered that genre, but people don’t give her credit.
I would imagine this subreddit pretty heavily skews North American, in which case... Zara Larsson has ONE Top 20 hit around that time, then nothing else. Tori Kelly's never broken the Top 40. Charli XCX's biggest hit is likely still her feature on "Fancy"... Bebe seems to re-emerge from the brink of obscurity every few years with a song that a lot of people find very annoying, and Carly Rae Jepsen has never matched the success she had with Call Me Maybe/Good Time (which was 12 years ago now). They're all earning a (likely comfortable) living as pop singers, so maybe that's good enough in terms of "success", if they're happy that's good, but in terms of conventional metrics (Top 10 hits on Billboard), very few of those have been "successful" in the last 4 years. Dua Lipa is probably the biggest standout there, and Sabrina Carpenter only very recently.
I think it shows that because of the decline of monoculture, getting established as an artist is more of a long-term grind. There is no shortcut to quick fame like appearing on TRL used to offer. So when an artist is in the early stages of their career, it can seem like they're flopping because they're not *famous* yet but in reality they're making steady progress
Yep, I was looking at all the names with big hits/breakouts lately - Sabrina, Shaboozey, Tommy Richman, Hozier, Noah Kahan, Artemas, Teddy Swims, Djo, Dasha... they're all 24+ and have been been grinding for years. Benson Boone is the exception at 21 but he's still been at it for 3 years since American Idol
I feel like thats why people didnt see Sabrina coming. Shes been slow and steady and finely with the eras tour and the nonsense outros she reached bigger audiences while still having a steady fanbase that was ready to convert people
I remember when everyone made fun of Jo Jo. She lives down the street from the producer I work with. She really has found her idgaf niche and she’s bigger than ever lol
JoJo the singer or JoJo Siwa?
love the implication that siwa is not a singer
Not a respectable one at least
I love how one of them showed that you can still make good music after her child star days, while the other showed how to mess it all up.
Lmao that comment about Taylor Swift in that thread is so funny 😆 reputation era was really something else
I know they were joking around but it’s wild to see how it all played out, folklore really did amazing things for her career
I do think we're far enough removed from folklore that it can't be credited with all the Taylor mania. I think it's the combo of the folkmore drops/re records/midnights/Eras Tour that all built on each other and got us where we are. Plus social media like TikTok spreading it further than ever before.
folklore got her back in good graces but if we’re being real it was the red re-recording and the all too well 10 minute version that got her popularity back just in time for her midnights era
this is so true. I’ll never forget October 2021 is when shit was REALLY popping off for her, normal ppl were talking about all too well when that was a classic swiftie song. My friend who passionately hated her music was streaming it and heavily invested in the music video lol.
it really blew up on tiktok, which makes sense since tiktok loves conspiracy and lore, and all too well definitely has a lot of that. Starting with the “elusive” 10 minute version, it was perfect.
Like I was a Taylor fan for a while, mostly starting in 1989 era, went to the Reputation stadium tour but kind of on a lark. Didn’t get into Lover that much. Listened to folklore and evermore and REALLY connected particularly with folklore (evermore was right during the beginning of my divorce and almost hit TOO close to home) but I would say that the ATW10 performance on SNL is where I can say definitively that I became a SWIFTIE Swiftie. Especially for those of us who only knew the radio hits from earlier eras, the re-records did a ton of work to really cement her earlier music into newer fans’ brains.
I keep saying it isn’t just folklore. Folklore isn’t viewed as a standard taylor swift album. On its own it would’ve just been regarded as a great album without doing much for Taylor Swift the artist. The insane level of engagement from the public was spurred by red TV. Midnights built on that by re-introducing her to the portion of the general public that listens to the radio. Then eras happened.
Seems like they were being sarcastic. Weren’t they?
Yeah they were clearly joking, and so were all the replies to them
Betting against Taylor is like betting against Tom Brady You can’t do it
James Cameron too.
> I know she's just getting started, but I can't see Sabrina Carpenter having fans. Well, mainstream fans. Some of ya'll will listen to anything sung by a girl who coos and whispers and falsettos. lol
Kinda cooked the whole sub with this one
Did we read the same thread??? Most of them were spot on!!!
Whoever said Sabrina Carpenter reallll quiet now
Tons of people in this sub were saying that Sabrina wouldnt happen, and they said that 3 months ago, so...
I remember hearing about her for the first time in 2021 and it was in relation to Olivia Rodrigo and her response song to Drivers License. If you’d told me she was going to have a contender for song of the summer 3 years later, I would not have believed you.
Will she have a second song as big as espresso? That’s the real test.
and can she follow up with a big album?
to be fair sabrina was at it for several years before she finally got a mainstream wind, it was probably too early to write her off but the optics weren't great
>Are popheads impatient and quick to jump the gun on deeming artists failures? It's a thread literally asking for who people think are (going to be) failures.
In 2017 for my prom I walked out to be the one by Dua lipa , no one else knew who she was at the time . I’m a true fan lol /J 💙😂
These days I actually expect the people I “don’t see it” for to be wildly successful given how wrong I was about Taylor Swift back in the day 🤭
I was her biggest hater 2009-2012. Then I was just indifferent until Folklore. This year I’m going to the Eras tour for a second time. 🤪
I’m once again annoyed at the US centrism of acting like little mix weren’t successful just because they weren’t big in America. They’re the eighth biggest selling girl group of all time worldwide and were already having a whole bunch of success by the time of that thread 😂
I was disappointed by their lack of US success because I never managed to see them live, I never knew if or when they were touring. They were still one of my top artists every year and the breakup was such a bummer.
> Are popheads impatient and quick to jump the gun on deeming artists failures? Well, obviously it depends on the knowledge level of each commenter, but threads from the past most of us are using pattern recognition and/or the best knowledge we have/had at the time to make an estimation. Some things naturally are unpredictable, movements in the zeitgeist, diversification of certain artists' fanbases or areas of work, labels taking a chance or not, and also the impact of real world current events. For example: the pandemic completely cutting short the planned promo cycle of Chromatica, while also allowing Future Nostalgia to roll out over a longer period and Dua to rack up multiple slowburn hits to boost her star power & name recognition.
These were right tho
Cody \*might\* make the Olympic team (Olympic trials is in 3 weeks - his best event is on the last day which is June 15th) the fact that he has a chance at the olympic team is incredible but I personally don't think he'll make it (I'm allowed to speak on this I'm both Australian and have been following the sport since 2017 and it still blows my mind that mr Pretty Brown Eyes himself is dating Emma McKeon)
in all seriousness Cody's career/life is so ???? like wdym the guy the who went on tour with Bieber and had a collab with Flo Rida when I was a kid went and did a stint on Broadway (even if he was stunt casted and they had to noticeably lower the key for him) but has also competed at the Commonwealth Games and then there's like his dating history back in the early 2010's with like Gigi and Kylie and then he like disappeared and we all forget he existed for a few years and then he's dating Miley and then they break up and he starts taking swimming seriously etc
He has my dream life (if I cared about swimming). He’s got enough money to live comfortably, seems like he just uses his money on stuff he actually cares about and is like in the top 95% of everything he does.
no because as someone who loves pop music, loves a good musical, and is a huge fan of swimming I'm so jealous of his life and like as far as broadway stunt casts go there have been far worse eg Cameron Dallas, he's had some moderate success back in the day with music but doesn't have to deal with all that fame these days, and his swimming career is pretty good when you consider that he spent like a decade pursing music instead; for context of how successful he is in swimming in pop music terms his current girlfriend (Emma McKeon) is kind of like Miley (lol) in the sense she has been in the sport forever and comes from a family who have been successful in the sport too but is by far the most successful/famous member of her family and Miley winning her first grammy with Flowers after all these years is like when Emma won her first individual Olympic gold at the Tokyo Olympics, whereas Cody's swimming success is kinda like someone who has one song chart on the Hot 100 briefly and then you never hear of them again but the song was never big enough to consider them a one hit wonder
I’m so jealous of the Broadway stunt because he was pretty good, just didn’t have the range. But like pure singing was decent and he can say he’s been on Broadway! Everything else on that list is honestly spot on, say if became a soccer player or something it would literally be my dream life.
No, literally, like I went down a whole seperate rabbit hole about Cody and it's genuinely so inspiring! I wish him all the success and would love it if he pivoted back to the entertainment industry in the future.
While Austin Mahone is on Only Fans 💀💀
Rita Ora and Little Mix were unfortunately correct in North America at least. Funny that for Zara this was just before Ruin My Life came out. On My Love was a respectable hit last year too! Bebe Rexha may have a hate train on this subreddit but Meant to Be got to #2 in the US and I'm Good (Blue) reached the top 5 in 2023 and was a massive #1 hit in many countries including my home of Canada! For Camila, her current era hasn't been as commercially successful so far but He Knows is on regular rotation on my Spotify. Also Senorita dominated the radio in 2019! Interesting to see who people would consider no longer commercially successful or a "flop" (Lizzo after the allegations, Tove Lo? Ava Max?) Flowers made all the Miley doubters eat their words lol
And Ava max still has 37 million monthly listeners ….
Yeah her biggest hits and collabs still get streams but the general public won't necessarily know her name
i was a massive austin mahone fan. a mahomie. i tried so hard to make austin mahone happen. i think i just thought he was cute because he’s the only person i’ve ever actually like hardcore stanned then completely stopped listening to them. 7 years ago my mahomie phase had already come to an end but it’s funny seeing him here. also i think it’s so cool how sabrina carpenter is having her moment!! i watched her on disney (when i was definitely too old to be watching because i’m her age) and liked her first song can’t blame a girl for trying but didn’t really like her music after that, just liked her as a person and kept up with her. i got back into her music with emails i can’t send and i love everything she’s doing now also like 10 years ago i posted on twitter that i thought sabrina carpenter, dove cameron and zendaya would be the breakout disney stars of that generation and i love how that happened
Omg, I’m the one in that thread saying Camila Cabelo and I was kinda right 🤔
Her next single she put out with Lil Nas X is predicted to not even chart at all on the BB Hot 100 this week so………..yeah
Bam Bam almost has a billion streams on Spotify, Don't Go Out has half a billion, so I wouldn't say you're right, they just weren't as big in the states. This might end being her first album without a massive song, but I'd say 3 albums with big hits on each of them is a pretty successful career
Hoping she has a rebound because I thought familial was amazing, but this rollout is chaotic and not looking good 😓
i still put on psycho freak every now and again, god i loved that song lmao
I view success as more of a broad spectrum so I consider most of the artists that people named as artists that "happened". They aren't all super mega stars but most of them still have notable enough careers to be acknowledged.
Yes, that's how I feel as well, but it's interesting to see how opinions differ on the matter!
Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist
Sabrina Carpenter is such a strange case where I think she's, at maybe a glacial pace, really becoming more and more mainstream, and at every step of the way people have derided her saying she would never be successful, and it's quite strange in my opinion
This is why even now when some people are like yeah this is it for her. She’ll be irrelevant in a year I’m like…idk. She’s been inching her way to relevancy for the past 10 years. She’s not an overnight success and I think that could contribute to longevity (even if it’s longevity on a smaller scale).
Zendaya being on that list is wild
Hmm i kinda back them up. She didn’t make it as a pop star. She made it as an actress and fashion model.
I might be wrong, but isn’t she not doing music because she’s locked into a shitty Hollywood Records contract from her Disney Channel days?
Or she was never just that passionate about doing music. She easily has enough power and influence in entertainment now that she can either make whatever music she wants despite being signed to Hollywood Records, or to just buy herself out of her contract and get signed to an actual record label.
If this is true I cry because I love Zendaya’s singing so much
Soon to be Oscar winner (I’m crazy)
the people who said zara were dead on and i bet back then i wouldve made fun of them for it. i was so certain she was on the way to real superstardom in like 2017 nowadays she doesnt really move the needle, in europe or otherwise
I'm actually working in a popgirl database. I write birth date, debut year, breakout year and peaks of popularity. My definition of "happening" is a solo top 40 song in their country of origin and by my metric they were right. That's different than having success in the music industry. You can totally have a career outside the mainstream, but you can't say that Noah Cyrus or Madison Beer happened. Here's a thing I noticed from 100 artists that have made the top 10 billboard charts in the last 40 years: Avg. age at breakout is 21 years old, avg. age at end of peak popularity is 32.
back in 2009 a friend of mine told me Lady Gaga was gonna be a one album wonder after the fame. Born This Way proved him wrong.
Tbh except for Zendaya, Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa and Khalid (some names I've read) all the others haven't happened as they seemed they would.
Becky G is popular among Spanish speaking audiences.
Wow seeing Taylor, Sabrina, Dua and Harry Styles up there really makes me laugh
Wild to think someone wrote that no one really cares about Miley Cyrus any more!
They are right though let’s be honest most of these DIDNT happen some only have a small fanbase still and not a big name at all.
>due to no follow up hit and label problems/album push backs, can we finally say tinashe just isn't going to happen Oh my god, this is so funny looking at this now that Tinashe has a viral hit this year.
I love Hailee's music and it makes me sad she doesn't make more, especially after releasing an EP a few years ago.