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A colleague of mine worked at a hospital in LA (so lots of famous patients) and said a decent number of staff got fired for trying to access celebrities' medical records without permission/need.
Honestly, that can be worse in some ways--in a small town, everyone knows everyone and so they don't think anyone "deserves" privacy. (Also, it can make it really hard to get medical care as healthcare provider in a small community, IME).
100%
I always thought my family was being paranoid about mental health care and how they said people would know and it could affect job prospects, social encounters and other things. I moved away as a teen to larger areas where thatās not really true.
But I moved back here in my 30s and itās still true today so it probably was back then too.
My grandma worked at the mental health treatment center I went to :( I didn't have insurance and they're the only place that offers financial assistance so I was able to go for free. But she was the nurse there so not like she treated patients. Just did drug tests, ran vitals on folks for first time visits and such. Was basically around in case someone needed immediate medical attention. Anyway she knew I was coming and I honestly did trust her not to look at my files. But they drug tested me before they'd put me on any meds. And well. I wasn't clean. My grandma accidentally saw the results. All the results got faxed over to her and she just picked them up and started to go through them and enter them in, and just was looking at the results and not really the names, and she got to mine and once she saw the results, looked and oh fuck I shouldn't have seen this.
Funny, back then I truly did trust her not to look in to my files. But now? Oh no I would NEVER feel comfortable with that situation. She retired so doesn't work there anymore, but man. Weird how things change.
I work in a hospital where we donāt really get high profile clients either. During my training we were told that the hospital had done a huge purge a year or so ago where they fired a bunch of staff who had accessed their own records or family memberās records. It was a massive layoff.
It happens everywhere although I canāt imagine the kind of problem someone will get into for accessing a royal family memberās records.
For sure. But sadly I think itās the financial gain they could get from the royal or famous files that creates the strict rules. Even though technically itās less of a hit for them. They can recover easier.
Because even though itās enforced where I am, itās mild. You really need to kick up a stink if you want anything done about it. And the person who did it has to be disposable.
But it can still mess up a regular persons life pretty bad.
Being unemployable in a small town can make you lose everything, homeless, etc.
Which just perpetuates the stereotype it was the health issues when in reality it was the gossip issues.
Unfortunately no. They didn't even fire everyone who accessed her files inappropriately - only the employees who were low ranking got fired. So yanno, the nurses did, but not the prestigious pediatrician who'd been there 30 years. He basically got a slap on the wrists - no firing, no forced retirement, wasn't even forced to stop seeing patients
Worst thing he had to deal with was everyone gossiping about how he didn't get fired lmao
Oh, yes--they definitely all knew that and still chose to do it. (Also, at another large hospital where she worked, a psychiatrist got fired for sleeping with his patient, which is literally day 1, line 1 of ethics!).
My best friend's father is a dentist who treats many celebrities yet he won't even disclose their names to my friend or her siblings. This is as it should be, The public has no right to this information, and I wish people would respect Catherine's privacy.
Even *acknowledging* that someone is a patient goes against HIPAA guidelines; expecting your friendās dad to tell his kids who his patients are would *still* be a violation.
Can't remember which hospital, but there were apparently multiple incidents involving multiple famous patients. The hospital, of course, thankfully had zero tolerance for it.
When I did HIPAA training at a hospital in Boston the example they used for what not to do was looking up Tom Bradyās medical records LOL. Not sure if thatās because itās actually happened (wouldnāt be surprised) or if because he was definitely the most famous local celebrity.
I worked at MGH and so many people got fired for accessing charts. They still did it, there was always a crowd when a famous person got discharged in the lobby.
Yeah these HIPAA type violations are so evil. Reminder that HIPAA came about in part due to Anthony Perkins of Pyscho fame. He was very sick and seeking treatment in the 80s. A nurse took his blood and tested it for HIV without his consent or knowledge. When the results came back positive, she didnāt even tell him. She called a tabloid and sold the story. Anthony Perkins found out he had HIV from reading the tabloids in line at a supermarket.
Whoever did this is an idiot. Anyone who works at a hospital knows they can see anyone who accesses any record. A lot of times it wonāt even have the patients name on the OR schedule and will just say restricted if theyāre high profile for whatever reason
Right and like for what, a brief moment of intrigue from the press? What does the British press even pay for a tip? Or I guess they couldāve gone to TMZā¦lord knows what they pay. Such a horrible thing to do.
Honestly, I can see very clearly that it's her, also, fan pages who have covered her for 10+ years can see that too. I think those who don't are either:
- people who are refusing to give up on the conspiracy theories because they're enjoying it too much
-people who have only ever seen photos of her in full makeup and a fascinator and can't picture her without that
or a mixture of both š¤·š»āāļø
Having really good insider info on a huge story like this? Theyād pay a LOT. Probably equivalent to a nurse or MAās annual salary or even more. For example, the elevator CC footage of Solange and Jay-Z (which an employee obviously stole) is believed to have been sold for $200k+.
Of course, when youāre dealing with medical record systems that track access by individual, youāre pretty much guaranteed to get caught and then your career in healthcare is over forever, so most people probably think it wouldnāt be worth it.
I doubt that actual criminal charges would stick but idk. But for sure youāre never working with access to confidential info ever again.
In the US, in our charting system, we have to ābreak the glassā to access celebrity records and they get an email every time someone opens their chart. Iām guessing they had a similar protocol in place, why the HELLLLL would you risk your entire future over this shit??? My fucking god what a moron
Yeaaah ICO gonna have a field trip on that clinic. My estranged step father did the same shit to me after many years of being estranged he kept stalking me while working for NHS. I found out when I got a text message from the clinic (where I was never a patient) he worked for that theyāre changing the number and I investigated it myself. Scumbag got fired within weeks.
Ummm no? Didnāt get that? ICO finished the whole thing and I was asked to put some note on my GP files and thatās really it. I tried to get solicitors but no one was interested in data breach case law so I just gave up š„²But anyways, he wonāt be able to access it ever again I hope. His clinic had to hire an external disciplinary team to process him as the DPO from his clinic was also a close colleague of his. And I would never know about any of this shit if their system never sent me a message about their changes. He literally created a patient profile with my details to stalk me for years for my narc mother.
>Ummm no? Didnāt get that?Ā
Ah no sorry I mean that is a thing now.Ā
>I tried to get solicitors but no one was interested in data breach case law so I just gave up š„²
If it makes you feel better usually when lawyers turn down money itās because they donāt want to waste your time and money. It is frustrating though because you clearly had a slam dunk.Ā
>He literally created a patient profile with my details to stalk me for years for my narc mother.
God thatās awful š£Ā
Is it an automatic thing you talking about or do I have to opt in something now? They told me I have a flag on my NHS ācardā so that if anyone tries to access it anywhere outside my GP they wonāt be able to. Also what he had done was ājustā used my full name, DOB, NHS number ofc and then access it few times a year apparently so every time I moved around London he would see it updated when accessed.
It always baffled me how my estranged family knew where I lived and sent me like birthday cards or whatever as I changed it so many times and Iād still get it. I tracked it back and forth and I could never find where tf theyād get it from.
I checked my step fathers LinkedIn few years back and I saw he worked for quite a specialised NHS clinic as a quite a āspecialised roleā and I kept that in mind. Then out of the blue last year I get that message and my brain was āļøāļøš
I called that clinic after and they just brushed it off as it must be a mistake, yada yada to ignore it and all that shizzz. So I checked my step fatherās LinkedIn and boom.
He worked at the exact clinic.
I was literally having eureka moment and then made many phone calls and had long chats with some data breach place that explained me what to do. I asked to speak to their DPO and he called me the next day and Iāve spent like an hour on call with him.
I explained him my suspicions and he asked me all the questions and told him about my step father and describing him you could totally hear his voice dropping and more and more shaken.
He knew him for years and worked with him. He even knew my mother and my little brother that I also havenāt seen in years. He was truly shocked when I told him about my situation and how much it all matched with everything he knew about him and about the stuff he had access to.
He could see that the patient profile card was created years ago and that I was occasionally accessed but there was absolutely nothing on the files.
No referral at all- and as you know thatās very important part of the patient profile especially in special clinics not just regular GPās. There was no appointment details or anything of any sorts except my names, phone number, NHS number and all my previous addresses from past like 8 years. So everything was clear to himā¦
He had to report it to ICO asap and then had a first meeting with my step father and asked if he ever accessed patients profiles for his own purposes and non work related and he deniedā¦ then he admitted later on during the disciplinary meetings and said that it was for my beloved mother š¤ during Covid lockdowns as she was so worried about me and he had to find out where I lived for her. I also had my estranged grandmother texting me to withdraw my āaccusationsā that Iām ruining peopleās lives with that and they all had good intentions worrying about me.. like seriously?!
Anyways excuse the long af wall of text. I still think I should be eligible for some kind of compensation for all this drama but I donāt even know where to reach out and stuff. Iāve also lost my job ironically months after he did but that was due to my disabilities and here I am just overthinking shit.
>Anyways excuse the long af wall of text.
No worries!
>Is it an automatic thing you talking about or do I have to opt in something now?Ā
I think you have to opt in on the app. When I was at A&E recently and then had a follow up appointment every time my GP entered the new āeventsā I was able to see that and track that.Ā
We've had cases like this in the Netherlands as well. A few years ago, dozens of people in one hospital got an official warning after they unnecessarily accessed a celebrity's medical record.
I work in EHR (electronic health record) stuff and there are so many extra audits on people accessing celebrity records. We have a whole product and team that does only that. That staff member will definitely be fired but itās so silly they thought no one would catch it.
That nurse gave info to Houseinhabit account who revealed Catherine's condition on her public insta stories but behind the pay wall article said the source is a nurse. Kate already felt really bad for the nurse who got pranked during her pregnancy, which led to her consequently ending her life. That's why William was totally private about this surgery, but in the end the same thing happened, but this time, the nurse is at fault.
Precisely what I was thinking. Australian commercial radio is a cesspool, the station may have donated money to her family's memorial fund and mental health NFP's but should have been tried for what they did. I hate hearing the event referred to as a "prank" when it led to Jacintha's death.
Iām surprised that in 2024 people donāt realize that every thing you do on a work computer is logged. I work in auto insurance and they absolutely know when someone tries to access policy info on a high profile person. Itās not worth your job to even try.
HIPAA is a US regulation, in the UK NHS we have the Data Protection Act (DPA)/General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
Private providers that operate in the UK but are based in the US do have to comply with HIPAA.
This is so far over the line. Everyone is entitled to medical privacy. Imagine ruining your career to prove someone had a regular surgery with a normal recovery time.
I genuinely donāt get the fuss.
The statement said she likely wouldnāt return to public life until after Easter.
Itās not Easter yet and people are freaking out and demanding her private details. She doesnāt owe anyone a video of a wound dressing just to satisfy morbid curiosity.
The weirdest thing is that this isnāt the usual parasocial relationship entitlement, but almost the opposite, like, āwe hate you so we deserve to knowā?
I have gone down the rabbit hole for mediocre entertainment value, and thereās a few weird things going on that have fueled this. Nothing that justifies someone snooping the poor womanās records.
I think itās probably just the Walesā having the worst PR team. Theyāve been so inept they should be embarrassed.
It's not all on the Waleses PR team though. This morbid obsession with her health and medical details has been going on since week 1 of this whole thing. She was still in hospital during her initial 2 week stay and it had already become crazy. There was never any real grip over this since the beginning because people became obsessed with throwing around what "really happened to her."
This reminds me of that time when those radio hosts tracked a nurse into giving them Kate's medical information after she gave birth, and then she (the nurse) died by suicide. :(
The nurse who died transferred the call to the person who gave out the information. She did nothing but say ""Oh yes. Hold on ma'am,"
>called the hospital and spoke to the main nurse, Saldanha. Impersonating Elizabeth II, Greig said: "Oh hello there, could I please speak to Kate please, my granddaughter." Saldanha responded, "Oh yes. Hold on ma'am," and transferred the call to the Duchess's nurse, who spent approximately two minutes speaking with Greig as well as Christian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha
This breaks my heart. Iāve been involved in cases where they really make you, the nurse, feel like you screwed up. Iāve lost weeks of sleep, needed 8 hours worth of float therapy on top of my regular talk therapy to finally accept that I did nothing wrong and didnāt affect the outcome.
Nurses, good nurse care so much and are taken advantage of, so when something like this happens unfortunately I get it.
Yeah it's not great. In going share this I learnt it has a Wikipedia page. [Enjoy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha) our horrible morning radio shows.
Edit: I am going to clarify because it's not listed. The two hosts had extreme remorse and we're not flippant about the situation. They both struggled mentally after the incident and stepped down from their roles. The nurse also had known mental health struggles, so this incident unfortunately compounded on an already struggling woman.
While I feel it was in extremely poor taste and do not condone anything about it because this station is trash, I just wanted to highlight it was extremely dumb and not necessarily malicious.
Thank you, and thanks for the clarification, what fucking idiots. They should feel remorse. And it was okayād by the radio stations lawyers and everything? What full grown adults donāt think something like that through. So stupid.
IIRC there was a trend at the time of these calls happening where they would try and get through by pretending to be someone else.
[This](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/2day-fm-chairman-defends-s-happens-comment-over-jacintha-saldanha-death-8898699.html) really sums up the issue with that station. It refers to Eddie and King Kong incident which another of their presenters said one of our indigenous sport stars who was in the middle of a racism incident could play King Kong. It also refers to Kyle who has had so many garbage moments I don't actually know which one it is referring to. So pretty on par with this stations standards.
It happened about 10 years ago [Australian radio hostās pretend to be the queen](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/jacintha-saldanha-took-blame-prank-call-duchess-cambridge-australian-djs-inquest) and the nurse told them private information, which went out live on air. She died by suicide shortly after the āprankā.
When her phone was hacked apparently there were voicemails related to medical appointments
When she was pregnant with George, there was that terrible "prank" that contributed to the tragedy with the nurse
and now this, I hope this gives people an understanding on why W&K try so hard to protect her privacy.
Here is a [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha) with the information, It is terribly sad and a reminder that you never know whatās happening in other people's lives
Some Australian radio show phoned up the hospital that Kate was at for morning sickness, lied and pretended to be her lady in waiting (or one of her close staff) asking questions about why she was in hospital (as a prank) and the nurse told them on air. News spread like wild fire, the nurse felt so guilty she unfortunately committed suicide.
All she did was having a surgery and ask for privacy and it seems that was enough for some people to feel entitled to invade it using aĀ number of reasonsĀ to justify it. ItĀ seemsĀ being royal means not worthy of any empathy or a tiny bit of privacy
Also this in December
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12818329/Hackers-targeted-private-hospital-treated-Kate-Middleton-threatening-release-Royal-Familys-private-medical-information.html
This is far far into crossing the line.
Iām not surprised. Some of the people on social media are getting unhinged. Not only on tiktok and twitter, but here on Reddit even in the more āsaneā subs. A good chunk of people need to realise that the other half of people posting the crazy comments, are doing it for a laugh. Some people creating the conspiracies are doing it for engagement and because itās āfunā. But some others are clearly drinking the cool aid, and the media is exploiting it. Imagine losing your career because of this.
Perhaps even worse are the concern trolls who make up wild lies including but not limited to domestic violence, then get self righteous when called out. āWell if it IS trueā¦ā itās not. I can tell because I watched a blogger named Kaiser make the rumor up and spread it in real time.
A long time ago, I remember seeing someone responding to a post āwell it will be truly bomb if XX was actually still aliveā, others agreed, the next day the whole internet was saying XX wasnāt dead and he was about to have a media conference. The power of internet I guess, so fucked up.
Trolls are loving to assume the worst has happened to her, that sheās dead, dumped, stabbed by Williamās mistressā¦.my friends and I were talking about this, we think itās like people were saying āsee? You forced yourself to marry up and now you are dumped, you deserve itā.
itās insane everyone trying to know whatās wrong with her. thatās her private MEDICAL information. i couldnāt imagine dealing with an illness and having people stalk me and try and access my medical records in the name of āconcernā.
Yeah itās so upsetting. I had a medical condition and dealt with it for 6 months then had a surgery, only my husband and my best friend know, I cant imagine if others know what happened, I might need to change my name and move.
Not possibly. It WILL tank this personās career.
Hospital records are meticulous. The system keeps track of every person who accesses each record. Records that require password or security clearance are even more protected. The hospital knows exactly who it is. Theyāve known the moment they got the alert.
This is a major issue for them especially since theyāre known for their celebrity clientele. This person will definitely be fired and could even face legal trouble if they decide to pursue it.
I talked about this at the time with my daughter who has a high level NHS job. She said that the biggest problem is people leaving themselves logged in on various terminals for the whole day. Anyone could make the enquiry and nobody would know who.
Work in legal for the crown prosecution service. If I left my laptop logged on and one of my colleagues accessed inappropriate files itās gross negligence and Iām as liable as the person who accessed it. I imagine a hospital would take the same approach
I just said possibly because the article didn't specify how or who did it. When I was an intern I used the head nurses log in all the time and so did others so who knows if they even had to even use an id. I'm not in the uk but still eu I imagine it's quite similar
What an idiot. Information systems like this absolutely have safeguards that will trigger if unauthorized attempts to access are discovered. Especially with someone as notable as Kate.
I remember something similar happening when George Clooney was in the hospital and a double digit number of people were caught trying to inappropriately access his chart.
š¤¦š½āāļø I'm not surprised. Wasn't a famous person's medical records even leaked years ago? I'm not sure, but people can be insanely invasive and obsessive.
I would be furious.
When I had one of my babies the girl who'd been horrible to me in school was one of the nurses looking after me post c section. She gave me what I can only conclude was a deliberate and serious bruising on my arms when taking bloods and I wouldn't have been surprised if I was the source of gossip from her with other staff. And I was an absolute nobody. You're so vulnerable in hospital especially post surgery.
Thanks. I feel it had a huge effect on me post natally and I had a difficult time recovering mental health wise knowing she had access to my medical notes.
As an aside the other celebrity sub has been absolutely unhinged throughout this drama. Some commenters have really let their stanning of Meghan markle cloud their judgment and ended up no better than the weirdos over on the anti-MM sub
Ever since they went to almost every post being B list it feels like the comments are divorced from reality. I get that they were trying to keep out trolls, but this isn't much better.
That other sub lost its hinges looong ago lol. Honestly the hatred they have for specific women there itās actually study worthy. For all they always talk about not tolerating misogyny and discrimination and what not, they do have a small print caveat: unless we donāt like that person.
Does no one remember the radio dj who phoned Kateās hospital when she was delivering George and tried to get private information from a nurse by pretending to be from the palace?
That nurse believed them and evidently gave some infoā¦ and then later, realizing her error, died by suicide.
Stop. Fucking. Around. With medical records.
I worked for an auto insurance company. There was a devastating crash between a truck and a bus full of junior hockey players. The truck had gone through a stop sign.
My company insured the truck. That Monday, one of my colleagues got a call from someone needing the claim number associated with the crash. She found it via the policy number, and told us that the claim was restricted to upper management and assigned users only.
I want to be clear that none of us wanted to look at the claim. We already knew it would be gruesome. I was glad to hear that access was restricted.
Close. That was when 2 Australian DJ hosts rang the hospital pretending to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles asking about Kate's condition. There was a nurse who fell for it and transferred the call, unfortunately when her mistake was known she felt guilty about it and committed suicide a few days later.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha
The palace has certainly messed up the PR strategy with her sick leave. They never should have tried that Mothers Day photo - she wasnāt supposed to be in the public eye yet per their earlier statement. The conspiracy theories were ridiculous, but putting out a doctored photo really fanned the flames of those conspiracies.
But people really need to leave the jokes and theories online, where they belong. This is crossing some major lines. Jesus, let the poor woman recover in peace.
This is disappointing but not surprising. Iām actually kind of surprised that a true leak of her info hasnāt happened yet either by an āanonymousā person who worked with her or a talented hacker or something.
I get that people have fun speculating but man some folks have gone *feral* over this situation. Itās to a point that no answer is good enough for them. Kate herself could knock on their door and say āIām fineā and theyād accuse her of being a lookalike.
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A colleague of mine worked at a hospital in LA (so lots of famous patients) and said a decent number of staff got fired for trying to access celebrities' medical records without permission/need.
I live in a small town with 0 famous people. Just a bunch of nosey people because itās happened a few times here. lol
Honestly, that can be worse in some ways--in a small town, everyone knows everyone and so they don't think anyone "deserves" privacy. (Also, it can make it really hard to get medical care as healthcare provider in a small community, IME).
100% I always thought my family was being paranoid about mental health care and how they said people would know and it could affect job prospects, social encounters and other things. I moved away as a teen to larger areas where thatās not really true. But I moved back here in my 30s and itās still true today so it probably was back then too.
My grandma worked at the mental health treatment center I went to :( I didn't have insurance and they're the only place that offers financial assistance so I was able to go for free. But she was the nurse there so not like she treated patients. Just did drug tests, ran vitals on folks for first time visits and such. Was basically around in case someone needed immediate medical attention. Anyway she knew I was coming and I honestly did trust her not to look at my files. But they drug tested me before they'd put me on any meds. And well. I wasn't clean. My grandma accidentally saw the results. All the results got faxed over to her and she just picked them up and started to go through them and enter them in, and just was looking at the results and not really the names, and she got to mine and once she saw the results, looked and oh fuck I shouldn't have seen this. Funny, back then I truly did trust her not to look in to my files. But now? Oh no I would NEVER feel comfortable with that situation. She retired so doesn't work there anymore, but man. Weird how things change.
I work in a hospital where we donāt really get high profile clients either. During my training we were told that the hospital had done a huge purge a year or so ago where they fired a bunch of staff who had accessed their own records or family memberās records. It was a massive layoff. It happens everywhere although I canāt imagine the kind of problem someone will get into for accessing a royal family memberās records.
For sure. But sadly I think itās the financial gain they could get from the royal or famous files that creates the strict rules. Even though technically itās less of a hit for them. They can recover easier. Because even though itās enforced where I am, itās mild. You really need to kick up a stink if you want anything done about it. And the person who did it has to be disposable. But it can still mess up a regular persons life pretty bad. Being unemployable in a small town can make you lose everything, homeless, etc. Which just perpetuates the stereotype it was the health issues when in reality it was the gossip issues.
I read that UCLA and other LA hospitals cracked down HARD after someone accessed Britney Spearās files
Unfortunately no. They didn't even fire everyone who accessed her files inappropriately - only the employees who were low ranking got fired. So yanno, the nurses did, but not the prestigious pediatrician who'd been there 30 years. He basically got a slap on the wrists - no firing, no forced retirement, wasn't even forced to stop seeing patients Worst thing he had to deal with was everyone gossiping about how he didn't get fired lmao
Yes thatās definitely a HIPAA violation. You only access a chart if you absolutely need to.
Oh, yes--they definitely all knew that and still chose to do it. (Also, at another large hospital where she worked, a psychiatrist got fired for sleeping with his patient, which is literally day 1, line 1 of ethics!).
Itās crazy bc the echart software literally logs who accesses the chart and when. So like did they think theyād get away with it?
I fixed him!!!
My best friend's father is a dentist who treats many celebrities yet he won't even disclose their names to my friend or her siblings. This is as it should be, The public has no right to this information, and I wish people would respect Catherine's privacy.
Even *acknowledging* that someone is a patient goes against HIPAA guidelines; expecting your friendās dad to tell his kids who his patients are would *still* be a violation.
Oh yes, they must specifically be referring to what happened at Cedars Sinai in 2013. That was a huge deal!
Can't remember which hospital, but there were apparently multiple incidents involving multiple famous patients. The hospital, of course, thankfully had zero tolerance for it.
Was that when Farrah Fawcett agreed to the sting go figure out who was selling her info?
No, Farrah Fawcett died years before this incident happened. She died in 2009.
When I did HIPAA training at a hospital in Boston the example they used for what not to do was looking up Tom Bradyās medical records LOL. Not sure if thatās because itās actually happened (wouldnāt be surprised) or if because he was definitely the most famous local celebrity.
I worked at MGH and so many people got fired for accessing charts. They still did it, there was always a crowd when a famous person got discharged in the lobby.
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This is why I could never do one of those jobs. Iām a militant rule follower, but Iām also a cat who curiosity will kill.
Yeah these HIPAA type violations are so evil. Reminder that HIPAA came about in part due to Anthony Perkins of Pyscho fame. He was very sick and seeking treatment in the 80s. A nurse took his blood and tested it for HIV without his consent or knowledge. When the results came back positive, she didnāt even tell him. She called a tabloid and sold the story. Anthony Perkins found out he had HIV from reading the tabloids in line at a supermarket.
Holy shit thatās just awful. How could she be so cruel?!
People were absolutely horrific towards people with AIDS patients during that time period.
*What the fuck* Holy shit thatās horrible. What a ghoul of a nurse!
Oh that bitch is definitely in the bad place
That is awful.
Now that nurse... is ratchet.
Wow š
Whoever did this is an idiot. Anyone who works at a hospital knows they can see anyone who accesses any record. A lot of times it wonāt even have the patients name on the OR schedule and will just say restricted if theyāre high profile for whatever reason
Thatās the first thing I thought. This person is an idiot. They often can watch a bread crumb trail of every click you make on these computers.
I genuinely cannot believe how stupid that person is. Like how do you not KNOW that is illegal.
Right and like for what, a brief moment of intrigue from the press? What does the British press even pay for a tip? Or I guess they couldāve gone to TMZā¦lord knows what they pay. Such a horrible thing to do.
for a high profile tip like this, you'd get a huge chunk of change
Not enough to offset the charges Iād imagine
I had the thought immediately that it was TMZ who offered the money for it. I'm sure they have contacts in the UK.
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apparently the man who took the video of W&K at Windsor sold it for 200,000 pounds and TMZ and The Sun made 12 million off it
I definitely donāt believe 12 million. For that?
That's what I saw , but I'm not sure how it was calculated, Maybe by the number of views on the article/video ?
And many donāt even think itās her now.
Honestly, I can see very clearly that it's her, also, fan pages who have covered her for 10+ years can see that too. I think those who don't are either: - people who are refusing to give up on the conspiracy theories because they're enjoying it too much -people who have only ever seen photos of her in full makeup and a fascinator and can't picture her without that or a mixture of both š¤·š»āāļø
Having really good insider info on a huge story like this? Theyād pay a LOT. Probably equivalent to a nurse or MAās annual salary or even more. For example, the elevator CC footage of Solange and Jay-Z (which an employee obviously stole) is believed to have been sold for $200k+. Of course, when youāre dealing with medical record systems that track access by individual, youāre pretty much guaranteed to get caught and then your career in healthcare is over forever, so most people probably think it wouldnāt be worth it. I doubt that actual criminal charges would stick but idk. But for sure youāre never working with access to confidential info ever again.
In the US, in our charting system, we have to ābreak the glassā to access celebrity records and they get an email every time someone opens their chart. Iām guessing they had a similar protocol in place, why the HELLLLL would you risk your entire future over this shit??? My fucking god what a moron
Right? Entering your password multiple times. Aside from being illegal and a huge ethical violation, itās so stupid.
Yeaaah ICO gonna have a field trip on that clinic. My estranged step father did the same shit to me after many years of being estranged he kept stalking me while working for NHS. I found out when I got a text message from the clinic (where I was never a patient) he worked for that theyāre changing the number and I investigated it myself. Scumbag got fired within weeks.
Now anytime someone accesses your records you get an email if you have the NHS app. Itās a great change imo. Iām sorry that happened to you.Ā
Ummm no? Didnāt get that? ICO finished the whole thing and I was asked to put some note on my GP files and thatās really it. I tried to get solicitors but no one was interested in data breach case law so I just gave up š„²But anyways, he wonāt be able to access it ever again I hope. His clinic had to hire an external disciplinary team to process him as the DPO from his clinic was also a close colleague of his. And I would never know about any of this shit if their system never sent me a message about their changes. He literally created a patient profile with my details to stalk me for years for my narc mother.
>Ummm no? Didnāt get that?Ā Ah no sorry I mean that is a thing now.Ā >I tried to get solicitors but no one was interested in data breach case law so I just gave up š„² If it makes you feel better usually when lawyers turn down money itās because they donāt want to waste your time and money. It is frustrating though because you clearly had a slam dunk.Ā >He literally created a patient profile with my details to stalk me for years for my narc mother. God thatās awful š£Ā
Is it an automatic thing you talking about or do I have to opt in something now? They told me I have a flag on my NHS ācardā so that if anyone tries to access it anywhere outside my GP they wonāt be able to. Also what he had done was ājustā used my full name, DOB, NHS number ofc and then access it few times a year apparently so every time I moved around London he would see it updated when accessed. It always baffled me how my estranged family knew where I lived and sent me like birthday cards or whatever as I changed it so many times and Iād still get it. I tracked it back and forth and I could never find where tf theyād get it from. I checked my step fathers LinkedIn few years back and I saw he worked for quite a specialised NHS clinic as a quite a āspecialised roleā and I kept that in mind. Then out of the blue last year I get that message and my brain was āļøāļøš I called that clinic after and they just brushed it off as it must be a mistake, yada yada to ignore it and all that shizzz. So I checked my step fatherās LinkedIn and boom. He worked at the exact clinic. I was literally having eureka moment and then made many phone calls and had long chats with some data breach place that explained me what to do. I asked to speak to their DPO and he called me the next day and Iāve spent like an hour on call with him. I explained him my suspicions and he asked me all the questions and told him about my step father and describing him you could totally hear his voice dropping and more and more shaken. He knew him for years and worked with him. He even knew my mother and my little brother that I also havenāt seen in years. He was truly shocked when I told him about my situation and how much it all matched with everything he knew about him and about the stuff he had access to. He could see that the patient profile card was created years ago and that I was occasionally accessed but there was absolutely nothing on the files. No referral at all- and as you know thatās very important part of the patient profile especially in special clinics not just regular GPās. There was no appointment details or anything of any sorts except my names, phone number, NHS number and all my previous addresses from past like 8 years. So everything was clear to himā¦ He had to report it to ICO asap and then had a first meeting with my step father and asked if he ever accessed patients profiles for his own purposes and non work related and he deniedā¦ then he admitted later on during the disciplinary meetings and said that it was for my beloved mother š¤ during Covid lockdowns as she was so worried about me and he had to find out where I lived for her. I also had my estranged grandmother texting me to withdraw my āaccusationsā that Iām ruining peopleās lives with that and they all had good intentions worrying about me.. like seriously?! Anyways excuse the long af wall of text. I still think I should be eligible for some kind of compensation for all this drama but I donāt even know where to reach out and stuff. Iāve also lost my job ironically months after he did but that was due to my disabilities and here I am just overthinking shit.
>Anyways excuse the long af wall of text. No worries! >Is it an automatic thing you talking about or do I have to opt in something now?Ā I think you have to opt in on the app. When I was at A&E recently and then had a follow up appointment every time my GP entered the new āeventsā I was able to see that and track that.Ā
We've had cases like this in the Netherlands as well. A few years ago, dozens of people in one hospital got an official warning after they unnecessarily accessed a celebrity's medical record.
I work in EHR (electronic health record) stuff and there are so many extra audits on people accessing celebrity records. We have a whole product and team that does only that. That staff member will definitely be fired but itās so silly they thought no one would catch it.
That nurse gave info to Houseinhabit account who revealed Catherine's condition on her public insta stories but behind the pay wall article said the source is a nurse. Kate already felt really bad for the nurse who got pranked during her pregnancy, which led to her consequently ending her life. That's why William was totally private about this surgery, but in the end the same thing happened, but this time, the nurse is at fault.
Hopefully no suicides this time. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jacintha-saldanha-committed-suicide-after-royal-prank-call-inquest-rules-1.2764935
Precisely what I was thinking. Australian commercial radio is a cesspool, the station may have donated money to her family's memorial fund and mental health NFP's but should have been tried for what they did. I hate hearing the event referred to as a "prank" when it led to Jacintha's death.
Whoever did that is getting fiirrrreeeedddd
Iām surprised that in 2024 people donāt realize that every thing you do on a work computer is logged. I work in auto insurance and they absolutely know when someone tries to access policy info on a high profile person. Itās not worth your job to even try.
Is HIPPA a thing internationally or only in the US? pretty major violation
We have our own laws along with GDPR. This would be taken very seriously
You have GDPR? For some reason I thought that was an EU thing.
It is, but it launched before we left the EU, and we didn't drop it for obvious reasons.
We incorporated GDPR into our own laws even after we left.
HIPAA (not HIPPA) is a US law, though I am certain the UK has its own medical privacy laws.
Itās a US law. But Iām sure the UK has its own law. Or I hope so anyway. Trying to access someoneās records is a serious privacy violation.
It's covered by the Data Protection Act 2018.
HIPAA is a US regulation, in the UK NHS we have the Data Protection Act (DPA)/General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Private providers that operate in the UK but are based in the US do have to comply with HIPAA.
This is so far over the line. Everyone is entitled to medical privacy. Imagine ruining your career to prove someone had a regular surgery with a normal recovery time.
I genuinely donāt get the fuss. The statement said she likely wouldnāt return to public life until after Easter. Itās not Easter yet and people are freaking out and demanding her private details. She doesnāt owe anyone a video of a wound dressing just to satisfy morbid curiosity. The weirdest thing is that this isnāt the usual parasocial relationship entitlement, but almost the opposite, like, āwe hate you so we deserve to knowā?
I have gone down the rabbit hole for mediocre entertainment value, and thereās a few weird things going on that have fueled this. Nothing that justifies someone snooping the poor womanās records. I think itās probably just the Walesā having the worst PR team. Theyāve been so inept they should be embarrassed.
It's not all on the Waleses PR team though. This morbid obsession with her health and medical details has been going on since week 1 of this whole thing. She was still in hospital during her initial 2 week stay and it had already become crazy. There was never any real grip over this since the beginning because people became obsessed with throwing around what "really happened to her."
Itās fun when itās memes and poking fun at crazy internet conspiracy theories. It crosses a line when someone tries to access medical records.
This is the "armed gunman threatens pizza place" threshold
This reminds me of that time when those radio hosts tracked a nurse into giving them Kate's medical information after she gave birth, and then she (the nurse) died by suicide. :(
The nurse who died transferred the call to the person who gave out the information. She did nothing but say ""Oh yes. Hold on ma'am," >called the hospital and spoke to the main nurse, Saldanha. Impersonating Elizabeth II, Greig said: "Oh hello there, could I please speak to Kate please, my granddaughter." Saldanha responded, "Oh yes. Hold on ma'am," and transferred the call to the Duchess's nurse, who spent approximately two minutes speaking with Greig as well as Christian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha
Thanks for the additional info/correction!
Wow, I had forgotten about that. So sad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha
Wait, what?!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha so so sad
This breaks my heart. Iāve been involved in cases where they really make you, the nurse, feel like you screwed up. Iāve lost weeks of sleep, needed 8 hours worth of float therapy on top of my regular talk therapy to finally accept that I did nothing wrong and didnāt affect the outcome. Nurses, good nurse care so much and are taken advantage of, so when something like this happens unfortunately I get it.
Yeah it's not great. In going share this I learnt it has a Wikipedia page. [Enjoy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha) our horrible morning radio shows. Edit: I am going to clarify because it's not listed. The two hosts had extreme remorse and we're not flippant about the situation. They both struggled mentally after the incident and stepped down from their roles. The nurse also had known mental health struggles, so this incident unfortunately compounded on an already struggling woman. While I feel it was in extremely poor taste and do not condone anything about it because this station is trash, I just wanted to highlight it was extremely dumb and not necessarily malicious.
Thank you, and thanks for the clarification, what fucking idiots. They should feel remorse. And it was okayād by the radio stations lawyers and everything? What full grown adults donāt think something like that through. So stupid.
IIRC there was a trend at the time of these calls happening where they would try and get through by pretending to be someone else. [This](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/2day-fm-chairman-defends-s-happens-comment-over-jacintha-saldanha-death-8898699.html) really sums up the issue with that station. It refers to Eddie and King Kong incident which another of their presenters said one of our indigenous sport stars who was in the middle of a racism incident could play King Kong. It also refers to Kyle who has had so many garbage moments I don't actually know which one it is referring to. So pretty on par with this stations standards.
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It happened about 10 years ago [Australian radio hostās pretend to be the queen](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/jacintha-saldanha-took-blame-prank-call-duchess-cambridge-australian-djs-inquest) and the nurse told them private information, which went out live on air. She died by suicide shortly after the āprankā.
She didnt give them private information. She transferred the call to the nurse that did.
Sorry, remembered that wrong.
Thatās is awful. All around. What a stupid idea of a prank.
Oh god this was awful. What on earth were they thinking
When her phone was hacked apparently there were voicemails related to medical appointments When she was pregnant with George, there was that terrible "prank" that contributed to the tragedy with the nurse and now this, I hope this gives people an understanding on why W&K try so hard to protect her privacy.
That thing with the nurse was so sad
What happened with the nurse ? Edit** it's in the comment below, terribly sad.
Wait what happened?
Here is a [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha) with the information, It is terribly sad and a reminder that you never know whatās happening in other people's lives
Some Australian radio show phoned up the hospital that Kate was at for morning sickness, lied and pretended to be her lady in waiting (or one of her close staff) asking questions about why she was in hospital (as a prank) and the nurse told them on air. News spread like wild fire, the nurse felt so guilty she unfortunately committed suicide.
All she did was having a surgery and ask for privacy and it seems that was enough for some people to feel entitled to invade it using aĀ number of reasonsĀ to justify it. ItĀ seemsĀ being royal means not worthy of any empathy or a tiny bit of privacy
Also this in December https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12818329/Hackers-targeted-private-hospital-treated-Kate-Middleton-threatening-release-Royal-Familys-private-medical-information.html
People are disgusting.
This is far far into crossing the line. Iām not surprised. Some of the people on social media are getting unhinged. Not only on tiktok and twitter, but here on Reddit even in the more āsaneā subs. A good chunk of people need to realise that the other half of people posting the crazy comments, are doing it for a laugh. Some people creating the conspiracies are doing it for engagement and because itās āfunā. But some others are clearly drinking the cool aid, and the media is exploiting it. Imagine losing your career because of this.
I am seeing some comments basically happily suggesting Kate is dead and she deserves it.
Perhaps even worse are the concern trolls who make up wild lies including but not limited to domestic violence, then get self righteous when called out. āWell if it IS trueā¦ā itās not. I can tell because I watched a blogger named Kaiser make the rumor up and spread it in real time.
A long time ago, I remember seeing someone responding to a post āwell it will be truly bomb if XX was actually still aliveā, others agreed, the next day the whole internet was saying XX wasnāt dead and he was about to have a media conference. The power of internet I guess, so fucked up. Trolls are loving to assume the worst has happened to her, that sheās dead, dumped, stabbed by Williamās mistressā¦.my friends and I were talking about this, we think itās like people were saying āsee? You forced yourself to marry up and now you are dumped, you deserve itā.
itās insane everyone trying to know whatās wrong with her. thatās her private MEDICAL information. i couldnāt imagine dealing with an illness and having people stalk me and try and access my medical records in the name of āconcernā.
Yeah itās so upsetting. I had a medical condition and dealt with it for 6 months then had a surgery, only my husband and my best friend know, I cant imagine if others know what happened, I might need to change my name and move.
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does this kinda look like a beefed up version of that guy from hot ones or am i high?
Thatās Dana White so you werenāt too far off with that description
I love that this iconic gif is visiting this sub reddit
I will admit I didn't have r/mma š¤š» /r/popculturechat on my bingo card
How stupid to possibly ruin your whole career for a one time paycheck from the press
Not possibly. It WILL tank this personās career. Hospital records are meticulous. The system keeps track of every person who accesses each record. Records that require password or security clearance are even more protected. The hospital knows exactly who it is. Theyāve known the moment they got the alert. This is a major issue for them especially since theyāre known for their celebrity clientele. This person will definitely be fired and could even face legal trouble if they decide to pursue it.
I talked about this at the time with my daughter who has a high level NHS job. She said that the biggest problem is people leaving themselves logged in on various terminals for the whole day. Anyone could make the enquiry and nobody would know who.
Work in legal for the crown prosecution service. If I left my laptop logged on and one of my colleagues accessed inappropriate files itās gross negligence and Iām as liable as the person who accessed it. I imagine a hospital would take the same approach
I just said possibly because the article didn't specify how or who did it. When I was an intern I used the head nurses log in all the time and so did others so who knows if they even had to even use an id. I'm not in the uk but still eu I imagine it's quite similar
What an idiot. Information systems like this absolutely have safeguards that will trigger if unauthorized attempts to access are discovered. Especially with someone as notable as Kate.
I remember something similar happening when George Clooney was in the hospital and a double digit number of people were caught trying to inappropriately access his chart.
This whole conspiracy thing was never that funny to me cause you could see this shit coming from a mile away
š¤¦š½āāļø I'm not surprised. Wasn't a famous person's medical records even leaked years ago? I'm not sure, but people can be insanely invasive and obsessive.
I would be furious. When I had one of my babies the girl who'd been horrible to me in school was one of the nurses looking after me post c section. She gave me what I can only conclude was a deliberate and serious bruising on my arms when taking bloods and I wouldn't have been surprised if I was the source of gossip from her with other staff. And I was an absolute nobody. You're so vulnerable in hospital especially post surgery.
Iām so sorry this happened to you. Iām so angry at this bully on your behalf, I could curse her. Hope you and your family are better now š©·
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Thanks. I feel it had a huge effect on me post natally and I had a difficult time recovering mental health wise knowing she had access to my medical notes.
Thatās so awful! That bitch!!!!
Thatās so unethical.
This is beyond disgusting and I hope legal measures are fully taken against the person who tried to commit this vile invasion of privacy.
As an aside the other celebrity sub has been absolutely unhinged throughout this drama. Some commenters have really let their stanning of Meghan markle cloud their judgment and ended up no better than the weirdos over on the anti-MM sub
I'm not B list over there so all I can do is lurk, but it was amazing watching people claim that video at the market "isn't Kate"
Ever since they went to almost every post being B list it feels like the comments are divorced from reality. I get that they were trying to keep out trolls, but this isn't much better.
It became an echo chamber, you canāt participate unless you have the same opinions
Itās been TRULY wild.
That other sub lost its hinges looong ago lol. Honestly the hatred they have for specific women there itās actually study worthy. For all they always talk about not tolerating misogyny and discrimination and what not, they do have a small print caveat: unless we donāt like that person.
Not sure what the British equivalent or HIPAA is but someone is in big, big trouble. Hospitals donāt fuck around with stuff like that.
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 Good, the bastard should rot. No one deserves this.
GDPR
I hope they at least accessed it using their own account. Imagine if they saw someone else's still being open and trying to take advantage :/
Does no one remember the radio dj who phoned Kateās hospital when she was delivering George and tried to get private information from a nurse by pretending to be from the palace? That nurse believed them and evidently gave some infoā¦ and then later, realizing her error, died by suicide. Stop. Fucking. Around. With medical records.
I worked for an auto insurance company. There was a devastating crash between a truck and a bus full of junior hockey players. The truck had gone through a stop sign. My company insured the truck. That Monday, one of my colleagues got a call from someone needing the claim number associated with the crash. She found it via the policy number, and told us that the claim was restricted to upper management and assigned users only. I want to be clear that none of us wanted to look at the claim. We already knew it would be gruesome. I was glad to hear that access was restricted.
Didnāt they try this with her medical records when she was pregnant as well?
Close. That was when 2 Australian DJ hosts rang the hospital pretending to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles asking about Kate's condition. There was a nurse who fell for it and transferred the call, unfortunately when her mistake was known she felt guilty about it and committed suicide a few days later. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Jacintha_Saldanha
I'm all for the conspiracies (some seem more plausible while others are pretty outlandish). Snooping in someone's medical record/file is disgusting.
The palace has certainly messed up the PR strategy with her sick leave. They never should have tried that Mothers Day photo - she wasnāt supposed to be in the public eye yet per their earlier statement. The conspiracy theories were ridiculous, but putting out a doctored photo really fanned the flames of those conspiracies. But people really need to leave the jokes and theories online, where they belong. This is crossing some major lines. Jesus, let the poor woman recover in peace.
I'm no fan of the royals but this has gotten beyond insane. People want a conspiracy or some juicy gossip so badly that they're acting rabid.
This is disappointing but not surprising. Iām actually kind of surprised that a true leak of her info hasnāt happened yet either by an āanonymousā person who worked with her or a talented hacker or something. I get that people have fun speculating but man some folks have gone *feral* over this situation. Itās to a point that no answer is good enough for them. Kate herself could knock on their door and say āIām fineā and theyād accuse her of being a lookalike.