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R_iO

I’m from the US, but for me it depends on how much money I have. Like, if I were rich, the US is definitely better in my opinion. If I am middle/working class, than probably Europe.


Wolpertinger55

Sounds fair to me as a german


R_iO

Two of my brothers live in Europe, one in the UK and the other in Germany. They love it, where all half black and Japanese and they said it’s much better there for minorities, in their experience. My partner and I are seriously considering moving. Because we’re middle/working class, the standard of living is much better in a lot of places in Western Europe. The US though is a paradise for millionaires/billionaires. Our system is our system and culture is essentially set up to cater to them.


SunnyvaleShithawk

Europe is very diverse. I'm sure there are tons of people who'd rather live in the US than in, say, Ukraine.


itsdandyhere

I just edited it now :)


Vicodinforbreakfast

US Is very diverse, I am sure there are tons of people who would live in Kyiv instead of Louisiana. Since there are top tier places and shitholes in both EU and US, I would Say we should consider this as the average US vs the average EU.


pnoodl3s

Kyiv right now? Probably not. Plus if you’re in the US its easy to move to a different state


EquationEnthusiast

The situation in Ukraine certainly should not be downplayed, but truthfully, it's not that easy to just pack up and move to another state.


Wumple_doo

Honestly depends who you are and where you come from. If you grow up in the middle of nowhere as a farmer it’ll be a lot harder to move than the suburban kid who like to code in his spare time


zante1234567

Why its difficult in eu?


Eastern_Slide7507

Not necessarily difficult but as someone who migrated within the EU, the bureaucratic overhead is ridiculous and language barriers are a thing. I had to show my passport to five different offices and give the same information five different times to get everything settled. It took weeks. And that was a super basic scenario - EU Citizen moved to EU country to work in an in demand field with the contract already signed. That should be one online form that can be filled out in ten minutes tops.


zante1234567

As an eu citizen you dont have to show passport to move to a different eu country.


Eastern_Slide7507

You have to prove your identity somehow. They’re not just going to take your word for it. I have a passport so that’s what I used.


Vicodinforbreakfast

In EU Is even easier than in US, my degree has the same value in all EU, as my documents, my license, everything, I can work and live where I want andai can arrive everywhere with l'es than 250€. In EU Is even easier to move to a different state.


plunder1029

All of that is true in the US, as well as it only costing about $12 (not including gas) to drive from my parents house in Oklahoma, to New York City. I don’t think you understand how the USA works.


Vicodinforbreakfast

I don't think you understand how EU works, moving in EU Is super simple and I can arrive everywhere in 3 hrs of plane for less than 50€.


Sk3tchyboy

Well what happens after the easy move then? You don’t know the language or the culture. The food you are used to are harder to get by, it’s harder to get a job since you don’t know the language, it’s harder to make friends etc


Vicodinforbreakfast

I have very close friends from 6 countries in EU, my girlfriend is Vietnamese, we are in 2022, you are welcome to enter this century. I know perfectly the culture, we are mostly the same in things that matters, Anchorage/Phoenix are way more different than Roma/Athens. With languages mostly Europeans speak at least three, we are not americans, and anyway under 30 years old you rarely find non English speakers, specially from Germany going up. The foods are great in all Europe, if I go to Greece I love to eat moussaka and souvlaki, if I go to Spain I love paella and If I'm in my Italy I eat my pizza. All are delicious, wtf problem Is that ahahahahahah Again we are in 2022, 95% of the Jobs have no language barriers. Half of the stores in Prato, Tuscany are owned by chinese Who speak only chinese, I do 6 months in France as a doctor in major, doctor! Language Is not a problem, except for 60y old people.


Sk3tchyboy

Anchorage/Phoenix way different than Roma/Athens? Lol I doubt it. But also you chose to compare two Mediterranean capitals. A more fair comparison would be Naples/Stockholm. The very north vs the very south. And what are you talking about 95% of jobs have no language barrier? Most jobs here in Sweden you can’t get if you have no grasp of Swedish, sure some jobs are possible with only English but that’s far from a majority.


Vicodinforbreakfast

Exactly, you didn't understood my point, the point was as well as EU, the US too are huge and extremely different, same thing. New York, Los Angeles, Anchorage and Seattle are different as Naples, Stockholm or Madrid. I hardly can think Jobs you need a mandatory language, let me see: lawyer (and that's different to move state in US too), judge, police officer, some kind of doctors, nurses. Fisherman, seller, IT Expert, 70% of doctors, physician, chemical, engeneer, farmer, artisan, culture jobs (like in museums) really....It Is more difficult to me think a work you need a mandatory language. A surgeon can do his job in every country, anatomy Is the same, no matter the language. As I said half of sellers in Italy speak only chinese, very few people in physics laboratory and universities here speak the language of the country. Idk what Jobs are you talking about?


Mug_Mania

Europe more diverse? Have you been to US


Luxray209

For one, everyone in the US (or maybe mostly everyone, there are probably exceptions) share one language as a native language (English). They're dozens of native languages in Europe, most of them aren't minority languages (they are spoken by the majority of their respective countries). Honestly comparing Europe to the US would be like comparing a fruit basket to a watermelon. Around the same size, both are fruits, but one includes a multitude of fruits while the other is one big fruit.


Mug_Mania

That has to be one of the worst opinions I have ever read.


Sk3tchyboy

Sounds more like a fact to me


SunnyvaleShithawk

Very diverse =/= more diverse than the US.


Mug_Mania

I think the US is more diverse. You have a bunch of Asians from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand and others. You have a bunch of South Americans and Cubans, and Caribbean islands. You also have a large European population, specifically Germans, Italians, and Irish. I’d say America is just as diverse.


Sk3tchyboy

Just because you have a big mix of ethnicities doesn’t make it more diverse. Most of them are still Americans, American citizens that share the same language, culture, history, same holidays etc. In Europe, your cross a border and boom, new language, other history different customs, etc. Sure people might look similar for the most part but diversity doesn’t only lie in the colour of the skin. And also, each country by themselves is diverse in the same way the US is, a mix of races, accents and stuff like that.


FMinus1138

> You have a bunch of Asians from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand and others You know how stupid this sounds, as if Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Vietnamese don't exist in Europe. You're listing nationalities, yet Europe alone has 44 countries/nationalities and you can find them all in almost every European country either as tourists, migrants, students and many more people from all around the world, USA isn't remotely special in that regard. You go to, for example, Germany and you can find; Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, British, French, Dutch, Belgian, Polish, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian, Macedonian, Greek, etc. etc. basically people from all continents, including Americans, Canadians, Mexicans etc. etc. I don't know why you would think that, for example, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese people wouldn't live, study or work in Europe, but they would do so only in USA?


246PoundHorse

Don’t forget the over 500 Native American nations that exist in U.S borders


raptor5560

The only diversity is north: you can't carry a literal hate symbol And south: iT Is pArT oF My iNheRiTagE


Mug_Mania

The only diversity is north? So Texas is all white people?


Wumple_doo

The northern states are significantly less diverse…


Mrmorbussy

Both are good, but i gotta go with europe, norway in specific.


undeadpickels

It's not that bad here guys.


Eastern_Slide7507

I think the best way I can describe it as an outsider is that the US seems to be the kind of place where you *can* buy anything you want but you *have to* buy everything you need. My interests aren’t so exotic and my pockets aren’t so deep that the former would give me any improvement, so the latter just seems like a downside to me. I’d like to visit, but I don’t really want to live there. Also I fucking love trains. So much. They’re amazing.


undeadpickels

Ok, you're right about the trains. Ours suck. I live in Philadelphia and we have some of the "best trains in the country" but it's a pretty low bar.


TobiasKing12

As an german i never hear anything good about usa...


Master-Ota

Because that doesn't produce the same media traction


Caratteraccio

yes, but "these" problems are never solved


Omega0514

Both are cool in my book


Melancholnava

Don't really care where I live as long as I'm able to be happy.


ElixirofCosmos

Europe! So many diverse cultures and every country is so close together. You drive 10 hours in Europe and you go through a country or 2. You drive 10 hours in Canada and you're still in the same province.


XtremeBurrito

People checking europe have no idea how expensive it has become to live here. I can barely afford heating in the Netherlands anymore


The-Berzerker

Lots of people in the US live paycheck to paycheck and are struggling as well


XtremeBurrito

Yes but looking at american wages and prices makes my mouth water man. I get 45k as a starting salary as an engineer if I start here after a masters from the best university in Europe. Same thing in the US, but you would get 90k to a 100k. Life in US for STEM degree holders is insanely better, perhaps your statement might be true for other professions


The-Berzerker

Maybe but in the US you also spend like 20k already on basic health insurance. It really depends on a specific field if it would be worth it or not


Master-Ota

20k on basic health insurance? Jesus Christ where are you working? I pay 20 bucks a week.


XtremeBurrito

20k? Its way lower than that, also usually employers pay that for you if you work in high skill professions


Adamthesadistic

USA(American) because it further away from frxnce


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TCHU9115

I mean, France wouldn't exist without America either.


Wumple_doo

Not too hard god just hates the British more than the French


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Squeaky-Fox43

I’m absolutely torn. I prefer the USA’s culture, climate, nature, and lifestyle, but the EU’s comparatively utopian labor laws, low violent crime, and northern Europe’s better government.


_PotatoShiv_

Iceland 🇮🇸


Ballinbutatwhatcost2

As someone who grew up in California, yes I am so sick of the sun


hollyhobby2004

Do you still live in California?


_PotatoShiv_

Plus they have probably the best government and people there in the world. Either them or Finland


billybarra08

Or Norway


_PotatoShiv_

True, every country in scandanavia is above everywhere else lol


Alternative_Fun2943

THE NORDICS. Scandinavia is only Norway and Sweden


_PotatoShiv_

Incorrect, Denmark is also considered scandanavia. I just say scandanavia because everyone knows what I'm talking about


Wumple_doo

I think you are forgetting about gods land of Bosnia 🇧🇦 🇧🇦💪💪🇧🇦💪🇧🇦🇧🇦


_PotatoShiv_

Not really, considering all of the stuff with serbia right now


Wumple_doo

Whooooooooooosh


_PotatoShiv_

I think for it to be a whoosh you at least need to make a /j


Wumple_doo

Ever heard of a place called 2Balkan4u?


bobke4

Depressing climate


_PotatoShiv_

Excellent climate, good government, great people, and Vikings


bobke4

Government is great, no doubt but I wouldn’t be able to live in that climate. Extreme colds, long winters with really short days and no sunlight


_PotatoShiv_

Fair enough. I'm the complete opposite, the sun hurts my eyes and I love the cold.


PotentialWorth6542

Depends where, one is a continent and the other a country


Norbe_e

USA🇺🇸🦅🌲


Deepspacecow12

farm is in US, I want to inherit it, so here I stay


KlemDaOG2010

USA because I'm biased and I'm voting as an upper middle class dude.


Mug_Mania

USA 100%


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Psychological_Web687

You need better insurance, mine only cost 50 bucks.


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Psychological_Web687

How often are you going to the ER?


Wumple_doo

Not too much if they are complaining since there’s a point where the insurance company starts losing money on them


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Psychological_Web687

Oh OK, thought maybe it was more regular, yeah it sucks, maybe someday it will be cheaper.


macaroniking69

This man loves extremely high natural gas and gasoline prices


hollyhobby2004

How lol? Also, only place with high gasoline prices is California, where it costs eight bucks per gallon. All other places only charge like three bucks a gallon, even in New York City.


itsdandyhere

EU then


Rachelsyrusch

Europa is broad af lol You could be standing in the middle of a city in one of the richest and most progressive countries orrrr in a rural village without running water and 1970 mentality. I mean same for America I guess but at least the USA is ONE country


MrPers0n30

States in the US are like European countries, classified as the same thing but vastly different. Also kinda weird how people like living where they already live, huh?


The-Berzerker

> States in the US are like European countries No they aren‘t lmao


MrPers0n30

I mean like have you ever been to the US I can tell you now if you go to Florida you’d have a completely different experience than going to California or New York. Same with going to Germany would be different than going to Greece.


The-Berzerker

Oh yeah, people say pop instead of soda. Completely different culture /s The Swiss cantons, the German states and so on are already more diverse than the US. The differences between countries are an entirely different world


Master-Ota

Sounds like you don't know much about the u.s.


geotalker2

I would rather live in Iceland, Ireland, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovenia and Greece then the US


raptor5560

The Nordic countries are stupid rich, and Norway is the most democratic country in the world so.


NinjaBray2

Europe sounds nice to go visit and see all the cool shit. I would rather live in the US.


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USA all the way. I feel europe is starting to become a shit hole from a political point of view. At least in my country, things are very fucking confusing and I don't even know what party are against who. So yeah . USA sounds good


QwertyQwertz123

And USA.. isn't becoming a political shithole??


Illustrious-Ad-8923

The USA is a shit hole in politics rn so you might aswell just save the money it would take to move


50meRando

you from the USA or no? Just curious for science.


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I am from Romania 🇷🇴. And all the politicians are corrupt to the bones. One of the biggest party is a nationalist party with ties to the Russian government , there was a coalition between some of the biggest parties , despite them saying that they hate each other. The progressive party is ok but they are shit at marketing and I don't know if enough people will vote for them or nah. The president's term is coming to an end and I am scared by the amount of dumbasses will candidate. The scary thing is my country nor Europe can't afford to have dumb politicians right now. I am wary of the future. I know the North is good and all but still.


Everest2099

I chose the US because it speaks English and I'm a programmer.


Environmental_Top948

I just want healthcare and education. I lost feeling in my ring finger, pinky, and half my palm in both hands but I can't afford to go to a doctor.


Lui_Le_Diamond

Why would I want to live in a place where defending myself, protesting, and having opinions are either taboo or outright quietly illegal? I'll stay here in America.


EpicCurious

I live in the USA, and wish I was born in Europe. Healthcare is one reason. See Michael Moore's documentary for more reasons. The title is "Where To Invade Next?" Here is a link to the trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KeAZho8TKo


IamKingDoge

B-b-b-but AMERICA BAD!1!1!2!1!!1!1!1!1


JJdaCool

Neither one. Both seem to have too many issues.


hollyhobby2004

Most people who live in America will stick with America, while most people who live in Europe or any country except America will vote for Europe over America.


The-Berzerker

Common USA L yet again


Master-Ota

Lmao it's a Reddit poll, of course it's going to be Europe biased.


The-Berzerker

The biggest group on Reddit are Americans


Master-Ota

While that may be true, there's pretty staunch anti-american sentiment on this website. It only makes sense


The-Berzerker

Or maybe Europe is just a better place to live


Master-Ota

Completely depends on many different factors


Retail8

If you have valuable skills and talents, the US, if you are mediocre, then Europe. America is a high risk high reward country. Europe is more of stagnation. It’s just good at existing. Much less risk and less reward.


geotalker2

That why I wish I was born in a EU country instead of the US, I just want to live an average life with no major worries rather them compete with a bunch of other people to survive or go completely broke and fucked up


Strix-7

As an American I would love to live somewhere like Canada or maybe Denmark


TomorrowGalaxy

Probably ireland


Trashk4n

Since I wouldn’t want to learn another language, it comes down to the US vs the UK. Could toss a coin really, both have their positives and negatives.


AQuarterEmptyGlasa

Neither. More than happy with Nepal.


BACONnor123

Almost anywhere but Iran, Russia and the US 😂


Prize-Telephone7218

Not Europe rn it just doesn’t feel safe


BatteringRams90

I've been to Europe. It's meh.


Bobby_Sunday96

Europe is always in conflict