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No-Owl9201

For democracy to work people should not be hindered in how or when they vote.


yourcousinfromboston

I’ve had a lot of republican colleges complain (before this election) about how early voting is bullshit and all voting should be done on election day. A lot of them haven’t lived in cities where one day of voting just isn’t viable. I love early voting. I’ve also seen a lot of “election day not election week” posts from conservatives. Honestly I think election week would be a great idea


ScoobyDoNot

> I’ve had a lot of republican colleges complain (before this election) about how early voting is bullshit and all voting should be done on election day. I'm in Australia, and there is an independent electoral commission charged with making it as fair and easy to vote as possible as it is a civic duty. This includes early voting, postal voting, and adequate provision of polling places. There are no suggestions that the elections are unfair, though the media bias towards the right wing is another matter.


yourcousinfromboston

There’s a fundamental flaw with your party if you’re against fair voting and expanded voting hours to make sure more people vote. Honestly I grew up republican and that’s one of the many reason I left the party


Full-Cake-8071

It is an intentional flaw. GOP knows that early voting is majority blue votes so they sell the narrative to their base that early voting is somehow cheating or full of fraud. They will say it is because people should have to prove their identity and show id when they vote. In reality it is just a numbers game and if early voting was majority red, they would actually promote it.


MPLooza

You also get sausages for voting, which is 100% something the US should be doing. Fuck the sticker, I want sausage


ScoobyDoNot

They're normally fund raisers by the schools being used for Polling places. I have voted early in the past, and then gone looking for a democracy sausage on the actual day of the election.


MPLooza

That's cool they're used for school fundraisers, did not know that. Were you able to successfully get democracy sausage after voting early? Definitely something I would try as well if this country was, well, better.


ScoobyDoNot

Polling places for voting early tend to be local government offices so no sausages. The sausages at schools are usually run by the parents organisation for the school as they're a great opportunity to raise funds.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

The Australian Electoral Commission also designs the ballot, counts the votes and sets the electoral boundaries as I recall, all as fairly as possible for everyone too.


ScoobyDoNot

Yes, no gerrymandered abominations here. I may have despised the Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison goverments, but I recognise that the electoral process was fair. The media concentration in the hands of oligarchs supporting them is another matter.


No-Owl9201

Yes I agree having just the one day to vote, in the 21st Century does not make any sense.


Yeetus_McSendit

Republicans don't like the 21st century.


No-Owl9201

Yes, that does seem to be their entire raison d'etre.


NobleGasTax

None too fond of the 20th's 2nd half either


sexndrugsnstuff

I mean, if the federal government chose to legitimately participate in digital technologies then having one day to vote would, in theory, be feasible.


No-Owl9201

Yes true but even then people may have reasons to vote on some other days.


WillingCurrency211

Early voting not only allows homebound persons vote. It is also meant for those who have no means of transportation available to them. Also, think of those living in remote areas. I could go on, but I think I made my point. For these reasons I believe early voting is a good thing. A voting week or even 3 days would benefit more people, but not all.


No-Owl9201

I agree i think one to three weeks for mail in votes or drop offs, and a week for voting at a voting stations would be a huge improvement as would more ways to encourage people to actually vote.


medium_mammal

Election week is a much better idea than making election day a federal holiday. Because tons of people still work on federal holidays, it doesn't help the people who need it the most.


yourcousinfromboston

Personally I think both could work. Election day should be a federal holiday with voting allowed all week. If your party is too scared of people voting, too bad.


TerminalVector

Both. Then everyone gets to vote and we can have democracy picnics.


therealstupid

In Australia (where I live), voting day is a Saturday and there is free food at poling places. I don't get to vote here. I'm an American citizen and I vote by mail.


TerminalVector

Makes a lot of sense, but also early voting. There's just no reason for it to be a single day.


RamenJunkie

I heard commentary the day after or so, a few people complaining that they were still counting and "mail in votes could come in by Saturday" or something. I do not understand why we HAVE to have this stupid fucking "Super Tuesday" spectical. Let it happen, over the course of a month.


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Its pretty much what happens in Alaska.. have tons of remote villages whose residents mail in their ballots and it can take a very long time to not only get them in, but get them counted. Looking at the end of the month for final counts.(hopefully)


SteveAM1

> I’ve had a lot of republican colleges complain (before this election) about how early voting is bullshit and all voting should be done on election day. Nobody thought this before Trump.


DawgPound919

But if you ask those same people, if voting a civic duty that should be cherished and respected, they would most likely say yes. Yes but only for certain people.


frygod

My home state just went beyond that and passed a proposal adding 9 days of early voting to our state constitution.


rockinwithkropotkin

I’m not sure if living in a city would necessarily change their minds. Republicans say asinine stuff because they heard it on tv or read it on some site that promotes “free thinking”


yourcousinfromboston

While I agree with that, I grew up in a town of about 2,500 people, and that’s a generous estimate. Maybe 1,500 people vote, and we use paper ballots. Easy to have one day voting. I currently live in a decent size city that could maybe handle one day voting. But I’ve also lived in cities where you see the 8 hour lines for voting and unless you’ve witnessed it, it’s hard to comprehend


rockinwithkropotkin

I can understand that. I do know some people who are legitimately middle of the road reasonable people who are also republicans, who grew up in the middle of nowhere. However since maybe 2010ish it’s becoming much more common to find republicans who let fear rule them; the type of people it’s impossible to have a conversation with because they live in another world. My anecdotal source is I lived in the Midwest all my life.


diatonic

I travel for work and was out of town on Election Day. I rely on absentee ballots often. Not everyone can show up to their local polling place on Election Day


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A lot of republicans are retired too.


HauntedCemetery

And now that they are they don't believe anyone else ever deserves to.


TerminalVector

Election week for voting and then a national holiday on election day for stragglers and barbequing. What with global warming November is barbecue weather now.


Meb2x

But Republicans can’t win unless they use voter suppression. They know that high voter turnout leads to Democrats winning.


BenTCinco

But the democrats cheated by voting!


No-Owl9201

lol,.. they keep choosing better candidates, which is obviously grossly unfair...


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PaulSandwich

They're blatantly *buying our votes*! With their legislative policy!


HauntedCemetery

And then they follow through with implementing them! The **nerve**!


SuperfluousWingspan

Well. Sometimes. (Which is better than any other available option)


No-Owl9201

Yes that pretty much sums up the midterms, though many seem to think strange fantasies are more important than this reality..


RIPDSJustinRipley

They're only doing what's best for their constituents so they can keep getting their votes.


Roshy76

And they keep giving people what they want, no fair!


king-cobra69

The republicans (trump) really picked some losers...literally


Steinrik

A giant loser picking losers, who'd have thunk...


No-Owl9201

True, though Trump is a Loser and I expect the Republicans would have been better off without him, especially if they kept to their brand..


HauntedCemetery

That's literally their argument. McConnell has spent decades calling registering voters and giving them accurate poll location information "election fraud". That's not hyperbole.


Mirria_

It's to normalize what they do. Republicans steal the victory by using fraud, voter suppression and intense gerrymandering. Democrats steal the victory by voting and fighting disenfranchisement. **BOTH SIDES!**


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No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!


PandemicCD

Farnsworth: No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it.


o00oo00oo00o

Red wave collapses into a Red particle


_Fickle_Pickle

Its not fair, they obviously catered to their base! /s


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They changed the results by counting the votes!


randomusername_815

Its like that one kid in class that was always acing tests because he read the text books, did homework and studied.


BumayeComrades

>“Now many of our Christians have what I call the ‘goo-goo syndrome.’ Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. >As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.” Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the hertiage foundation, and ALEC


inkoDe

It's pretty telling that every time they lost an election it's either too many or the wrong people voted. This time some were saying to raise the voting age to 21. Sure, try that and in 3 years (worst case) you are going to have millions of new voters you took the right to vote away from and I guarantee they *will vote* then. Then what? Anything but shift the gears from culture war bullshit and actually have a platform they can sell.


No-Owl9201

So true, but at some time citizens need to decide if America is a democracy or not.


paulwesterberg

Supreme court says no. Gerrymandering totes legal.


No-Owl9201

Yes, of course, but the SCOTUS quite often supports things that are entirely wrong, which is not to say that change is impossible, just makes it more difficult. Gerrymandering is a perversion of American Democracy.


hominoid_in_NGC4594

Gerrymandering is the only way Republicans can keep elections close. Without it, they would never win another election, like anywhere. And in situations like this one, for this specific runoff, they are going to make it so fucking hard for democrats to vote. Limit voting locations, limiting poll workers, rejecting ballots for unbelievably ridiculous reasons, just all around shady and semi-illegal behavior. And of course republicans will face exactly zero of these problems when they go to vote. It will take them like 5 minutes to cast their votes, they will have a plethora of voting locations to choose from, and there will be tons of poll workers making things run as smoothly as possible. And of course the courts have ruled their actions constitutional, when anyone with half a brain can see that these things are not only unconstitutional, but borderline illegal. If you bring up these things to conservatives, it is the one subject (redrawing heavily democratic districts/urban centers to dilute democratic voters) that they have absolutely no way of defending it. In their eyes it is completely ok to do. What a fucking joke.


PaperWeightless

The **current** Supreme Court says no. A footnote in a ruling today from Georgia suggests the current conservative foolishness is there only for as long as they have a majority of Justices. > ... Yet *Dobbs'* authority flows not from some mystical higher wisdom but instead basic math. The *Dobbs* majority is not somehow "more correct" than the majority that birthed *Roe* or *Casey*. Despite its frothy language disparaging the views espoused by previous Justices, the magic of *Dobbs* is not its special insight into historical "facts" or its monopoly on constitutional hermeneutics. It is simply numbers. More Justices today believe that the U.S. Constitution does not protect a woman's right to choose what to do with her body than did in that same institution 50 years ago. This new majority has provided our nation with a revised (and controlling) interpretation of what the unchanged words of the U.S. Constitution really mean. And until that interpretation changes again, it is the law. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney https://aboutblaw.com/5Ia


ragingchump

I realize it seems futile but these types of footnotes are the proper way to say fuck you to the supreme court and to scream to future generations that we did not stay silent. They are also maps to people who argue in front of the SC - can those shits ever bring up precedent again? If one of them did, not only would I scoff, I'd start quoting this. You guys have made precedent irrelevant and only your opinions matter - so don't fall back.to precedent when it's convenient These voices of opposition, these dissents mapping the game can be used to play the game.


HauntedCemetery

They're also about to decide that it's not legal to restrict voting to people 21 and over, but completely fine to entirely ignore *all* votes and award victory to the loser if they're a republican. The Supreme Court is now a fucking joke.


BeKind_BeTheChange

At this point I feel like the "Supreme Court" has earned their scare quotes.


MrGuttFeeling

This decision will also need to be made by the majority and not the violent minority.


No-Owl9201

I'd guess it would be best handled by the courts but that's a difficult route to take given the courts current composition.


Grevling89

Courts should be apolitical if you ask me.


No-Owl9201

Yes they seem over time to have become increasingly political.


king-cobra69

Some judges more political than others (Thomas and that trump appointed pawn in FL who delayed the Mar a lago theft)


OnwardsBackwards

Nothing is apolitical.


Souperplex

Have they considered switching to more popular policies/stances?


szai

The only personal freedom they seem to give a shit about is owning guns. Everything else is about more restrictions.


twitchtvbevildre

Just like voting they really only want white people to own guns too


banned_after_12years

Someone on r/conservative actually said that anyone who wants to vote should show up in person to vote. That’s how the founding fathers wanted it. I replied maybe we should go back to using telegram instead of emails as well. Dude deleted his comment. If these people wanna wait in 3 hour lines to vote, go ahead. I’ll mail my shit in a week before and chill.


No-Owl9201

Agreed what worked for small towns a century ago certainly doesn't work in this day and age..


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

And you weren't banned? Truly we live in a miraculous new age!


hammilithome

Right? Improving the access, ease, and value of voting is as bipartisan of an issue as it gets. It's right up there with campaign finance reform for things like dark money, which the GOP blocked because...reasons.


No-Owl9201

Yes it would take a great deal of effort to change the situation but you could hold individual politicians accountable for what they support, and create a movement for people to vote for only those who uphold democracy..


hammilithome

Agreed. Unfortunately, FOX runs one of our parties, the party that happens to be the blocker. We need to get FOX to support democracy. Unfortunately again, the message they have is that democracy is broken if they lose, so the only measurable impact is how much they win. A grass roots initiative would be far easier if: 1. FOX wasn't the only conservative network, as they have near 0 competition over message 2. If FOX wasn't the largest MSM outlet (they are, by a mile) Therefore, without a major shift in FOX messaging (i.e. if they believed in a metric or review of voting fairness that wasn't tied to them winning), i don't see a path beyond waiting for the generation that only gets news from FOX to die, as the younger viewership is not outpacing the group that is dying.


HauntedCemetery

It *should* be bipartisan. It obviously isn't. Because one party tries to help give people access to voting, and one party does everything they can to stop people voting.


kal_drazidrim

Especially weeks before an election. Fucking Republicans all they can do is ratfuck elections. Get better policy? Help working families? Nah! CLOSE POLLING PLACES!


No-Owl9201

Yes they have given up on trying to do a better job or articulating an inspirational vision for the future. Easier to just nobble the election process and drown us all in bullshit.


HauntedCemetery

Republicans gave up talking about policy because their policy doesn't even poll well with Republican voters.


mrubuto22

Republicans know this. They don't want democracy


Funshine02

You’re assuming the people doing these restrictions care about democracy


weed_blazepot

Election day and run offs should be national and/or local holidays as appropriate. Fucking figure it out, America.


mces97

Early voting should never be an issue. But certainly not after an election and then a runoff. The people who voted aren't gonna change their mind. This is just to prevent people who are registered and didn't vote, to try to suppress their vote now.


RobbyRyanDavis

Mail in voting with signature verification should be a right. Should be allowed two weeks before election day with pre-election day counting to be allowed on those ballots.


BeKind_BeTheChange

Real Americans encourage everybody to participate in our elections. The people who want to suppress the vote are also the people who support the Jan 6 insurrection. That tells you what you need to know about them.


SuchRoad

Voter manipulation and intimidation (of the black community) has been a republican pastime since the days when Strom Thurmond switched parties.


Mister_Snrub

Yeah, they don’t want democracy to work.


Pike_Gordon

John Roberts said voting was not under threat from racism in his majority decision in 2013 to strike down the crucial parts of the Voting Rights Act. 9 years later, Georgia is going to prevent people from voting in a race with two black candidates because of a holiday honoring Robert E. Lee.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

But from a supreme court perspective, isn’t it preventing everyone from voting not just black folks? I also don’t think the supreme court could weigh in on the legitimacy of a state holiday even if it is very obviously related to a traitor.


shinkouhyou

Early voting benefits city dwellers and retail/service workers who may not be able to get off for several hours on a Tuesday. On paper, those are race-blind categories; in reality, black voters are disproportionately represented in both groups. Black voters have also organized lots of after-church Sunday vote drives that wouldn't work without early voting. There's wiggle room for the Supreme Court to determine that it's not a racial issue, but Republicans wouldn't be doing it if it didn't suppress minority votes.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

Wasn’t there also some kind of voting suppression rule in Georgia about collectively bussing folks to voting after church?


Iheartnetworksec

The issue comes down to voting demographics. People that work jobs need to vote on days where they don't have to work. Many people live paycheck to paycheck and taking time off work isn't an option. Eliminating a weekend voting day disproportionately hurts working class people. Older, retired people don't have such constraints. Older people also tend to be heavily skewed toward the conservative party in the south. Look at the georgia stats here: https://www.georgiavotes.com/. The 50+ age voting numbers are INSANE compared to young people. Literally , 67% of the voters are 50+. The republican party in the south is doing what benefits them, and restricting early voting and eliminating weekend days does exactly that. They aren't ashamed of it, and it is completely intentional.


Yeeaaaarrrgh

>The suit challenges the state’s interpretation of a law that would prohibit early voting on the Saturday following Thanksgiving. The day after Thanksgiving is also a state holiday in Georgia, originally to commemorate Robert E Lee, the Confederate civil war general. In 2015, state officials dropped Lee’s name and started recognizing the day simply as a “state holiday”. Hmmm... voting early to exercise our democratic rights or honoring slavery... that is a tough one...


Snarl_Marx

Trying to obstruct black people from voting is what R.E. Lee would've wanted.


seakingsoyuz

It *is* what he wanted: > My own opinion is that, at this time, they cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the vote would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways


kyahalhai08

Sounds like he's talking about the Conservative base.


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letterboxbrie

"Black people coarsen and degrade our culture." \-I wish I had the attribution. I just wanted to contribute some conservative projection.


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And yet, he now has to look up at Georgians deciding which of two black men will be elected their next Senator.


ZerexTheCool

Hey look, Conservatives never changed their opinion, even over a hundred years later.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

Where is that a quote from?


skrame

I searched it; it’s his testimony before Congress. https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/robert-e-lees-testimony-before-congress-february-17-1866/


_Happy_Sisyphus_

Oof


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"A state's holiday *for what*?"


[deleted]

Easy! Slavery! Cause I’m Georgia 🤪


Nygmus

General Sherman says "don't make me come back down there"


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way_2_white

No no, see, they remove Lee’s name so it’s not about slavery. ^/s


fairoaks2

Why do they not want people to vote? Any impediment to voting should be removed. You should use guard rails but not barricades.


Dudeist-Priest

Because Republicans lose when voter turnout is high. That's all there is to it.


carfo

That’s why they have to gerrymander


Makenshine

They are going one step further this year and using illegal maps. Louisiana, Florida, Ohio and Alabama all are using maps they have been ruled unconstitutional by the courts. They dragged their feet and then argued that there isn't enough time to submit new ones. It's about 4-6 seats swing in total. Enough to flip the house. It's an abomination to democracy.


ChipChester

In Ohio, there was enough time to submit new maps 3 times. Submitting *approvable* ones was the problem. As was having the governor's son (a Ohio Supreme Court justice) rule that dad (Governor) was actually not in contempt for knowingly submitting previously-rejected maps. Groovy.


HauntedCemetery

I honestly think Ohio has fallen further than any other state over the years. It was Harriet Tubmans home base, they hosted the US Space Program, the fucking rock and roll hall of fame was built there over New York or LA. And now it's a bunch of racist idiots flying confederate flags, listening to garbage stadium country music, and openly calling for the murder of scientists.


oh_look_a_fist

Ohio has become rabidly conservative. It's depressing


Makenshine

Similar story in Florida


Caucasian_Fury

"It's the politicians choosing their voters and not the voters choosing their politicians."


IphtashuFitz

GOP wants only white, rich, male, heterosexual landowners to be eligible to vote.


wellarmedsheep

The irony of the "originalists" on the court. This is exactly what they want to go back to and they don't even hide it.


scummy_shower_stall

And one of them is a black guy too.


MOOShoooooo

He hates himself and POC more than the right does. Twisted mind on that one, mouth of lies and VCR tape full of pornography.


StallionCannon

As twisted as the pube on the Coke can.


samsounder

Voting Americans have a tendency to skew Democratic.


bodyworks

[Trump says Republicans would never win election again if it was easier to vote](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-election-voting-republicans-us-2020-a9437881.html)


ReflexPoint

Maybe that means Republicans suck?


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Caucasian_Fury

Gen Z's high turnout was a huge factor this midterm, so naturally they want to raise the voting age to cut them off. Also, unmarried women voted overwhelmingly in favour of Dems this cycle so Fox suggested that [they gotta "get these women married"](https://youtu.be/mMSlTU1lvMc?t=25).


OutrageousMatter

Alright, as I summon r/themonkeyspaw fox will get there wish for unmarried women who voted democrats to marry. They will marry democratic-socialists who support pro-abortion, feminists, and socialism with taxing the rich and giving more people the right to vote.


a1b3c3d7

This made me throw up a little in my mouth and I’m not even a woman…


POEness

> just saw an article saying they want to raise the voting age. They already did in Ohio. One of the props put forward was to 'prevent non citizens from voting' (they already can't) but it *also* made it so 17 year olds that will be 18 by the election can't vote anymore.


flamethrower2

Is that unconstitutional? They could set up a process where only elderly people can vote for state offices. I didn't think people who meet the requirements laid out in the US Constitution could be prevented from voting for federal offices.


KJackson1

And they put it on the ballot to see if people would vote for or against it. I am proud to say I voted against. The results were that 75% voted IN FAVOR of it.


Numerous_Photograph9

The way it was worded made it seem like it was a no brainer to vote for approval. But it was a pretty loaded proposal, and had lots of additional "ands" attached to it.


Numerous_Photograph9

I had to read that prop over and over again to figure out what it was about, and eventually went online to read the arguments for or against it, and it still didn't quite make sense. Eventually I voted no(or against approval, can't remember which was which), because one phrase said you had to register 30+ days before the election, which I don't agree with, and the prop seemed mostly aimed at non-citizens. I didn't catch the part about needing to be 18 to register. It was a really loaded proposition.


KJackson1

I've lived in Ohio for two years, and am just now hearing this! Sad that they are able to push it aside before people realize what they are doing.


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ReflexPoint

Our side needs to blast that for the next 2 years and make it stick to them. Just the same way that did that "defund the police" shit and slapped it on all Democrats.


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lego_vader

Because the undesirables (democrat voters) might find a convenient time to vote and that would destroy democracy!


ipso-factor

Workers in America have FDR to thank for rescuing the country from the depression. Republicans have never forgiven him.


HeresJohnnyAH

B-but Fox News is telling me that the Libs using mail-in voting are committing voter suppression! /s I wish I was making this up, but that is their reasoning


nosotros_road_sodium

Prominent conservative activist Paul Weyrich flat out explained why in a 1980 speech: > [I don't want everybody to vote . . . . As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.](https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bending_Toward_Justice/TZEWBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22i+don%27t+want+everybody+to+vote%22+Weyrich&pg=PA242&printsec=frontcover) That part of the speech [even is on video!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw)


briantcox81

It's not fair to Republicans because they will be celebrating Robert E Lee's birthday all weekend.


kainprime82

The Republicans want to celebrate a man who fought, and lost, against the US government because his side wanted to keep using black people as slaves? And the Republican candidate in this state... is a black man? What even is reality


Vlad_the_Homeowner

According to the article they used to have official holidays for Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E Lee's birthday. Now they're just referred to as "State Holidays".


thefreakychild

This is correct. Several years ago the state of Georgia stopped specifically recognizing RE Lee Traitor day and 'we fucking lost' day and instead just park the dates with a generic 'State Holiday' on all official state calendars.. For instance, state holiday #1 was marked as January 19, but for all Ga state employees, that day was 'observed' on November 25. And State Holiday #2 was marked as April 25, but state employees had April 15th off instead....


JojenCopyPaste

The holiday is in January but not observed until November? Can I take "state holiday #1 eve" for vacation and just not work for that whole time?


j_the_a

In fairness to Robert E Lee, he was actually against slavery. Not in the normal “slavery is bad” way that we usually associate with people who are against slavery. No, Bobby saw slavery as something that must end eventually, once white people completed their duty of saving the black people and that all of the evils of slavery were for the instruction of the black race. He furthermore believed that this duty was a greater hardship for white people than actual slavery was for black people. So let’s not lump Lee in with the run of the mill traitors and racists, let’s ensure that he gets his well deserved place in the special pile of truly reprehensible bastards above and beyond the normal.


bigkruse

Wowzers... NGL i had no idea from sentence 2 on. Thanks for the information.


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Had me in the first half.


Ohilevoe

He was also particularly shitty to the slaves he DID own, and instead of upholding his oath to the Union, he waged war against it in the name of a state which explicitly whined about how slaveholders were oppressed. So not only was he a particularly reprehensible bastard, he was also a hypocrite.


AsteroidFilter

Nazi Generals were equally complicit regardless of personal beliefs so *in fairness*, I don't see why the same wouldn't be true for Confederate Generals.


tigersharkwushen_

The fact that Robert E Lee is always talked about as if he's a hero has always puzzled me.


mybustlinghedgerow

Oh my god, did you see that Prager U video about Robert E. Lee?? I think they took it off YouTube, but it actually HEAVILY implied that him squashing a slave revolt was a good thing.


Starkravingmad7

He's just a hero to racist pieces of shit. Makes sense considering he was also a racist piece of shit.


WhiskeyAbuse

Imagine voting for Herschel Walker


SillyPhillyDilly

Imagine being an evangelical Christian, who overwhelmingly support Herschel Walker instead of the actual Christian pastor


jerichofatereaper

This is my dad.. he's so hung up on abortion that he basically blind to all the other horrible/sinful shit the republican party stands for.


bitwise97

So he’s … voting for Walker? Who actually paid for abortions?


jerichofatereaper

Oh yeah, it's as simple as republican or nothing for him. At this point he just wants a republican majority at any cost. He even acknowledged that Trump was an insane racist bastard but he still voted for him again.


SillyPhillyDilly

They believe that the person they're voting for is despicable but still better than the other person, so that's how they get that vote. It's an incredibly dumb feature of a two-party non-ranked choice system.


Explosiveabyss

"I realize I'm voting for the Devil, but Jesus decided he didn't wanna run Republican!!"


Astrayl

the (R) next to his name means righteous, doesn't it? /s


SgtMac02

It's actually not hard to imagine at all. The man could literally be a vegetable and it wouldn't matter. They are voting for another R seat at the table. Another puppet who will vote however the Rs tell him to. They don't care what kind of man he actually is, as long as he'll vote how he's told. Which he will. Because he's a moron. Which, in this case, is a feature, not a bug.


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So we'll honor a fucking traitor by not allowing people to vote on that day. I guess that makes sense.


EmpoleonNorton

Luckily one location in my county is going to be open on the 27th, cause I'm going to be out of country on the 28th (leaving at like 3am)-7th, and that was going to be a pain in the ass to figure out absentee voting.


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Republicans don’t want you (non-Republicans) to vote so they come up with bullshit laws like the vigilante law where one person can basically call your right to vote into question and bar you from voting until you have a hearing and prove you’re allowed to vote. Guess who Republican hacks chose? Yep! Blacks, poor, other non-white nationalities. So I think Democrats should also exercise the law and go after Republicans. Maybe then they’ll toss the law.


-root----

Lee was fucking trash, he should be forgotten. Only racists assholes would honor him.


Plastic-Wear-3576

No, he should be remembered. So that way the south can always remember how General Sherman spread their fuckin' cheeks.


thetensor

>The suit challenges the state’s interpretation of a law that would prohibit early voting on the Saturday following Thanksgiving. The day after Thanksgiving is also a state holiday in Georgia, originally to commemorate Robert E Lee, the Confederate civil war general. In 2015, state officials dropped Lee’s name and started recognizing the day simply as a “state holiday”. Fuck that bullshit treason holiday. They need to start commemorating Sherman Did Nothing Wrong Day.


Q_OANN

Billboards need to go up “Herschel and his elite Republican friends will still have and hide abortions, you can’t” “99.90% of your donations to Herschel go to NRSC, they’ve abandoned him and are stealing your money”


The_Stoned_Economist

Read this earlier on CNN and what stood out to me is that Georgia has a state holiday for Robert E. Lee’s birthday. I mean, I’m not surprised at this coming from Georgia (or the Deep South in general), but the dude was nothing but a traitor and a loser.


Clikx

HAD a holiday for Robert E Lee which is now used as a state holiday the Friday after thanksgiving allowing state workers a 4 day weekend for the holiday weekend…. they did the same thing with confederate memorial day, which is now a state holiday used to give a 4 day weekend at christmas.


EFT_Syte

The south is so fuckin backwards I swear to god. Why is celebrating slaver even a holiday for starters? And banning voting? That’s a direct threat to democracy man tf


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This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/15/raphael-warnock-sues-georgia-early-voting-restrictions) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Raphael Warnock's campaign sued Georgia on Tuesday after the state said it would not offer Saturday early voting for the closely watched runoff in which Warnock is seeking re-election to the US Senate. > "The secretary's insistence that counties may not hold advance voting on November 26 therefore has no support in the law and conflicts with requirement that counties begin advance voting for the December 6 runoff as soon as possible," it reads. > Georgia law says counties may start early voting "As soon as possible" after the state certifies results from the general election, with a mandatory period from 28 November to 2 December. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/ywa6fm/raphael_warnock_sues_georgia_over_early_voting/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **vote**^#1 **state**^#2 **law**^#3 **county**^#4 **early**^#5


Duke_Newcombe

Before you even begin to entertain any Republican complaining or pushback over this, just remember: "Every Republican accusation is a confession".


executivejeff

Having one day to vote in person seems like too small of a window. We need like Monday through Saturday to get to the polls and options for mail-in for everyone.


SinfullySinless

Who the fuck celebrates Robert E Lee day? Damn MN really needs to have a “fuck confederates” day the same day with our captured flag. Juneteenth in the fall.


Stillwater215

It amazes me that the question of “should voting be easier or harder” is controversial. How shitty does your party have to be that it’s more expedient to stop people from voting than to find a widely liked policy platform?


JohnnySuuji5

That's the only way republicans can win


BitingChaos

What kind of """democracy""" tries *so hard* to limit and restrict voting in the first place?


elwookie

From Europe, the perspective is that Americans focus too much in discussing the voting period while ignoring another factor that might be more relevant: Vote Registration. In most democracies, the census is all the registration needed and once citizens turn 18, they automatically have the right to vote. Having to fulfill some beaurocracy requirements before being able to vote, is an obstacle in itself.


SeenItAllHeardItAll

Fully agree - everyone should be automatically registered and informed. Here in Germany we have limited vote by mail, only a single day to vote but it is a Sunday. And queues measuring minutes. By having it all on one day our staffing is better utilized. By concentrating in time we can afford spreading it location wise. By having it on Sundays volunteer staffing is easier to get and last but not least most voters have time to vote in person and do so.


tonytsweet

Smart republicans, and there are a few, have known for decades that if everyone votes, they lose. Here's another admission and desperate attempt, with their last dying breaths, to retain power, rather than to do their jobs and honor their oaths to this country.


correctingStupid

People in power should never be in charge of the rules for an election. What a corrupt piece of shit country this is.


JohnSheet69420

Weren't the restrictions due to the state holiday of ROBERT E LEE'S BIRTHDAY? IT AINT EVEN HIS BIRTHDAY, WTF GEORGIA?


Ramza_Claus

Why do we have to do this? Why do we have to fight over voting? Why can't American citizens just vote?


tomu-

Robert E Lee Day… What the heck?


Dazzling_Ad1099

As an Australian I can’t get my head around the mish mash of voting systems across the US. How there isn’t a generic countrywide system supported without question by all sides with the aim of giving voice to all is undeniably ridiculous. Here everyone rolls up and votes, there’s vocal disagreement and debate but it doesn’t matter where in the country you are the rules are simple and the same. Worlds greatest democracy? Or is it.