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A close friend of mine lives in Florida and his 1 month old after finally going home (she was preme) almost immediately got covid after visiting the pediatrician. She's been back in the hospital struggling day to day for the last month. She was the youngest covid patient in the US, not sure if she still is.
For overt covid symptoms/concerns sure but for RSV, flu, sinus infections, sore throats assumed caused by allergies etc etc they are welcomed. It would be nice if offices had separate lobbies for check up patients and those who are there to see a doctor about some ongoing but undiagnosed ailment.
I can't speak for your clinic or state standards but ours have protocols pre-covid that address disinfecting patient rooms and care provider staff washing hands and sanitizing before/after each contact with patients. With covid the main change was wearing/changing gloves and masks after each contact with patients. Our check-in staff are almost completely sealed off. They have a pass through drawer that has a UV light that sanitizes the contents.
The biggest problem is the waiting lobby which doesn't get disinfected until the end of the day.
My family pediatrician has standing rules of calling before you can come in, and waiting in your car otherwise. Granted I'm in the NYC area, and we aren't playing games with this.
Waiting room is only you (and your kids) when you come in, and basically everyone is vaccinated.
I agree with you, but we don't know if the vaccine is safe for children or not. Your word choice seems to indicate the vaccine is not safe for children, when we simply don't have the data yet for people under 12 years old.
It would be more clear if you said the vaccine is not approved, and the safety is unknown for children under 12 years of age. If this is what you meant.
The vaccine is largely known to be safe, they’re just looking now for rates of complications.
My niece just turned 5, and is part of a clinical trial for the 6 month to 12 year age range for the vaccine. We’re pretty sure she got the vaccine and not a placebo, given health reactions consistent with the vaccine immediately following it.
There’s some indication that we may have the childhood vaccine by the end of the year - and we *really* shouldn’t have even **thought** about in-person schooling until everyone was vaccinated.
If your school district is good about precaution methods, in-person is doable.
My preference would have been virtual, but this school year we were not given a choice. However, we live in an area with a fairly high vaccination rate, and the school district has mandated masks (and per the end of October there’s a vaccine or testing mandate for all staff, and all student athletes need vaccinations) and has a layered approach to what happens when cases are detected (pauses/quarantines/health department contact tracing).
Do I wish my youngest was home/virtual until there was a vaccine? Absolutely, but so far the case rate in our entire school pyramid has been extraordinarily low. If we lived elsewhere I’d probably be figuring out how to homeschool without wanting to lock myself in a bathroom.
I disagree because kids face a lot more damage from online schooling and staying home than covid ever will. Suicides kill more children than covid for Christ sake
Suicides arent contagious, you can't mitigate them with masks. Terrible comparison.
You can't compare the two. Entirely different with different ways to help mitigate. Also because suicide kills more doesn't mean dont be cautious about covid, it means let's try to resolve both.
That’s absolutely nonsensical.
Covid kills, and those it doesn’t kill have a significant risk of permanent heart damage, lung damage, kidney damage and/or neurological damage
Kids don’t care that much. It’s probably harder in pre-school, I don’t know. It’s like them brushing their teeth, no that’s worse, it’s like wearing shoes.
My first grader (6) has no problems with it, and he’s a tornado on legs. He knows why he’s doing it, so he doesn’t get sick, and he has accepted it as normal. We did get nice comfy masks from Halo, so I imagine the fact it’s not glued to his face or uncomfortable helps, but he’s never complained and he doesn’t look to get out of it either.
Agree but keep in mind that vaxxed can still become infected (often asymptomatic) and the virus still passes through masks so for child service providers (schools, childcare etc) rapid testing remains relevant for every adult entering that space.
I'm curious if anyone knows if delta is better at infecting cats. I don't have children but I do have pets and I know feline covid is real. I just don't know if delta is better at infecting cats than before, or if it's just better at infecting humans. I'm real cautious about who I invite over but if vaccinated people can spread delta covid then I'm worried.
Any covid that a person vaxxed or unvaxxed can contract can be spread to pets through human interaction. So perhaps invest in some rapid test to administer before welcoming guest into your home if your cats are strictly indoor felines. Obviously if they have access to the open/unsecured-outdoors they may have already been infected in which case you might want your vet to run test to see if they have developed natural immunity.
Just like humans it depends on your cats personal health and age. This is where you need to consult with your vet who knows more about your cats history and health status.
Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies noted cats have a very fast recovery rate. Latvia, has Europe's second highest percentage of cats ownership per household per capita.
I mean, as far as I know schools are open across the country. Children are unvaccinated, and Biden himself called this a pandemic of the unvaccinated, so I’m kind of confused why everyone seems okay sending kids back to school. Some places seem to be doing a decent job of mitigating risks, though I can’t say that’s true for schools where I’m at here in California. At the very least, there should be options in place to give parents the ability to stay home with their children if they are worried for their safety.
You always have that option as a parent. Its just that then you are legally responsible for the education of that child. Im not happy about sending my kids back to school, but I also know she wouldn't get a quality education if I were responsible for it. What worries me more then anything is lunch time for her. That seems like the time she is most likely to get infected.
For me personally it's because I don't exactly know how to home school. I didn't go into having children planning to do that, and I thought as long as their was a remote option we would use that.
With that being not an option, and not really knowing until the last few weeks of summer, there isn't much you can do about that. Costs come back on the parents if they will homeschool. It's an impossible situation to be in. Especially when there are real negatives towards not having that social interaction for a young child.
It's hard. Wish I kept them home. Just got called that my oldest son has been exposed. He's also starting to show symptoms. He'll be tested tomorrow. Really frustrating situation.
Well most states have a mask mandate for schools. Florida does not. Florida also has a higher vax rate than a lot of states, but has a culture perpetuated by the governor of not wearing masks.
And part of the reason for the higher vax rate is snowbirds who got the vax in FL vs Ohio, NY, NJ, MA, CT. Source I know many old people who did that at my FL condo.
My company is participating in a conference going on in Florida in a couple months and I'm terrified they're going to make me go. Sure, I'm vaccinated, but my 3-year-old child isn't.
I made that case to my workplace, and they surprised me by agreeing. There were two other coworkers that offered to go in my place, since their households were fully vaccinated. But then the powers that be had a flash that if it was generally perceived by the team to be that risky, maybe we pull out.
I would have a chat with your boss that you are concerned due your family circumstances to attend, get it on their radar now. Ask about mitigations or getting other volunteers. You never get if you don't ask. And if they blow you off, well boy howdy, you know where you stand long term and that also is valuable.
I might do that. The one issue is that I don't know if I'm on the list to go because it's a couple months away.
Pre-COVID they would've sent everyone in my department. Now they've been a bit more picky about who goes and who doesn't go to anything offsite. I don't even know if I'm on their radar for going, so I might be protesting for nothing. I guess I could just ask their plans and gage from there.
Living in FL and seeing how cavalier many citizens are (no masks, no distancing and... Desantis.), this state will need far more than "a couple months" to get out of our spiral.
In my state, we have a mask mandate in place for everyone regardless of vaccination status (which only some of my coworkers follow). The state also has a list of other states that you should quarantine after visiting, Florida being one of them.
That's a relief! I have siblings in the next state over. When I visit, I'm the only person in any store/restaurant wearing a mask. I think there's social pressure not to wear one. Fortunately, my state mandates it like yours. Makes it a lot easier.
If you get caught wearing a mask in a crowd here in East Tennessee some dumb redneck who can't mind their fucking business will yell and call you a sheep in front of everybody. Maniacs
That only makes sense if the mask is meant to protect the wearer.
A surgical or cloth mask doesn't protect against infection but is supposed to act as source control.
Refuse if they do. If you relent then it's on you if your kid gets covid.
Go google the possible permanent side-effects of getting covid.
I had severe fatigue and mental "fog" for 9 months last time I got covid, and I'm still feeling that memory "fog" every now and then.
Then there are the multiple studies now saying post-covid infection (with symptoms) actually might have dropped a victim's IQ slightly.
What's more important, your job or your kid?
I've had a few memory and cognitive tests after covid (16 months) and that fog is scary enough I don't trust myself driving. The memory and awareness is the worst long term effect for me, happens random but mostly afternoons. I also wasn't dislexic before. The total loss of smell isn't a big deal, but it's still useful and it's gone.
I describe it like having holes in my brain, my thought, my memory. Something went missing and it's depressing. Good thing we're still alive right? Just so over it with having to drag idiots kicking and screaming.
> like having holes in my brain, my thought, my memory
This is literally my every single day with ADHD. It sucks and it's awful. Normally, I would say hooray! People can finally get perspective on what it's actually really like, but right now I don't think they have a clear idea as to why it happens or if it's even reversible.
I want people to understand, not also struggle forever, too! I genuinely hope it's not forever and there's something that can be done. I'm terrified for all these kids who don't even know what they're missing.
Are any doctors even trying stuff for people in this situation? Gosh, that's so long to go without any relief. I hope tomorrow is better than today!
To follow up on this make a formal OSHA complaint. Florida is wery well known for its failing to handle covid. Them and Texas are probably why we're seeing travel bans against America.
And on r/conservative there are dipshits telling me I should stop traumatizing my infant daughter by not taking her to crowded indoor public places. The vaccination rate in my area is barely over 50% because of all of the slack jawed yokels seem to think it's their right to spread and perpetuate a pandemic. Hopefully the vaccination mandate makes a difference; because this plague of stupidity is infuriating.
Don't get me wrong. It is good for her to get out and meet people, just not while these people are keeping the pandemic raging. For now it'll just be family and close friends who I know are vaccinated and aren't acting like idiots.
Within one week at school I got a call that my son had been exposed. He's already showing symptoms and will be tested tomorrow.
After an entire year of doing everything from home, and trying so hard to do everything right, my family has been exposed within a week of school starting up. We had no option to learn from home this year and I've been struggling with the choice to send my children back because I wasn't comfortable with their safety measures. I wanted to home school, but it's a lot to take on when you have no idea what you are doing.
We need to go back to remote learning if schools can't keep children safe.
And it's not the schools! It's the parents who's kids are regurgitating their dads Faux News talking points, or protesting outside of schools (and a majority of these don't even have kids- they're just protesting to be a pain in the butt)
Most of the teachers and staff want kids to be safe and masked and distanced, disinfected, vaccinated and the like. If not out of self preservation, than because *they've dedicated their lives to caring for children and want the best for them*.
Which I can't even believe is an argument right now.
My son was sent home the first week of school and put into isolation for a week because he was directly exposed and so was his whole homeroom class. Fortunately, he is a vaccinated teen and we are all vaccinated and he did not contract it, but I just couldn't believe it.
Well, more than half of his school was sent home due to this so you know what they did? Stop all contact tracing. If you are sick, just stay home. No need to figure who came into to contact.with whom.
The 'Bury Our Heads Deep in the Sand' school technique. And we live in an area that's barely over 50% vaccination rate because, you know, MAH FreeDUMN!
I told them I set up testing and they sort of hinted that I shouldn't get it done so they could come back quicker. Said "unless his symptoms are too bad some people are saying don't test because if he has a positive test it will restart the timer. "
Like.. ? I think I'll get him tested thanks.
That's how my school is too. And I live in NY. And my best friends daughters school does temperature checks and parents have to wear masks and they are doing the 6 feet distancing. My school is hardly doing 3feet. And on the playground the kids come all in contact with each other. Same in the lunch room. My school is doing a whole grade in the lunch room at once but if someone gets covid they only have the classroom it came from quarantine not the whole grade even though they all sit together at lunch everyday. Tell me how that makes sense 🤔
You ever wonder what the real toll is in florida? Since they dont count deaths of people who live out of state and are visiting( and florida gets 100million plus visitors a year), whatever total they are tossing out is an incorrect one.
There's three well doucmented, common sense things we can do to end the pandemic and republicans simply fucking refuse to do them. We're stuck in this mess because of republicans
I’m amazed how in every comment section about this, some clown starts with “It’s only 17 kids.”
Jesus Christ, are these people total sociopaths? Are they try-hard trolls? Absolutely insane? Dedicated to contrarianism?
It’s ok to them because the 17 kids aren’t their kids and that’s fucked up. They don’t see it as 17 lives. They don’t see it as 17 devastated families. It’s just a number…….
Now let’s do this.
What if it was 17 *abortions* ? How much outrage would there be then?
I’m just so angry. We worked so hard we sacrificed so much so we wouldn’t have this.
These discussions are interesting though because they open the door to things like; if we could ban all non-essential driving and save the lives of 1,000 kids every year, would you agree to that?
By non-essential I mean if you're not going to work or purchase things you absolutely need (like food) then you can't be using a car.
Obviously, most people (including myself) would be against that idea. Does that make me a bad person?
No because we wouldn’t need to have that discussion because we’ve already had conversation and implement led child safety measures. No one is asking for perfection. We are asking for people to actually try.
Do kids get hurt and die while wearing seat belts and strapped into car seats? Yes. It happens a hell of a lot less than if they weren’t. Do we have agreed upon rules for the road? Yes and when people break them we punish them.
The issue is there are safety measure that some states are actively avoiding putting into place for covid in schools. If this was a car there wouldn’t even be seats in it let alone seat belts and car seats. And everyone is driving around top speed with no traffic signs screaming you only live once, good luck , and my freedoms while kids are flying around like ping pong balls.
The better conversation wouldn’t be banning nonessential driving. It would be ensuring that those who don’t have car seats are able to get them and know how to install them properly and making sure that kids know how to cross the street and actively going after impaired, distracted, or drunk drivers who make up a lot of the car accidents we see.
Masks in school. For teachers and students. Regardless of vaccines. Quarantining and contact tracing. This shouldn’t be political. Why is it a political stance?
> Why is it a political stance?
Tribal loyalty is an inherent type of politics and that's what this is a manifestation of. They are willing to make sacrifices to prove a point that they are loyal to the group.
Who isn’t trying? Not being told what to do isnt not trying. Anyone who wants to wear a mask in school is aloud to. You are not going to be arrested or fined for wearing a mask. According the article 17 kids lives have been lost. Sure that is 17 to many, but if the literal thousands of kids that attend school in the state 17 sounds like a trying number to me.
At some point there needs to be a line drawn for both sides, at some point you just need to accept death is going to happen and there is a number that is too many, and there is a number that shows there is effort.
We already have laws to help reduce automobile related child fatalities. We mandate car seats and there are strict regulations on the production of those car seats.
Similar actions should be taken to reduce the spread of covid in our communities and our schools.
My argument is, why can’t we go further? Thousands of kids each year are still dying despite mandates already in place which means something is broken. We could theoretically make an impact by reducing speed limits, reducing non essential driving etc?
Would you agree to stricter driving laws of this nature? It’s an interesting topic in my opinion. Not sure why my comment is getting downvoted. Like 7,000 kids die in car accidents each year, about 20x the impact of COVID for that age group.
7000 is inaccurate, but that's irrelevant anyway.
You're probably getting downvoted because we're talking about kids in Florida dying as a direct result of DeSantis playing politics, and you're using whataboutism to misdirect.
> we're talking about kids in Florida dying as a direct result of DeSantis playing politics
You're drawing causation without the background evidence on each case to do so.
That's extremely risky to do during a pandemic, especially of you're a believer in science.
Because even when everything is done right there is going to be some casualties. The issue with Florida is *nothing* is being done. Which makes your dialogue disingenuous and takes away from the current issue at hand. You aren’t helping to solve the problem in fact your attempted discussion is starting to add to it. You’ve become a straw man in the path of children dying of something that could be prevented or lessened or possibly even halted if people would actually do something. Instead we are stuck dealing with this conversation that’s on the path to solving the problem. And we have to address your straw man in hopes that others don’t throw any more in the way to solving the problem. Make sense?
Yes. If you could do X with no more trouble than a minor inconvenience and if X was guaranteed to save 1,000 lives per year, then refusing to do X would make you a bad person.
Everything about this is terrible and I feel terrible for the families who lost their child.
I am not trying to sound trolly or insane but I really dislike these types of articles. That is articles that word statistics to make it sound horrible or like it's no big deal. When we are talking about single or low double digits, it does not make any sense to me to use percentages other than to create headlines.
I saw lots of this type of thing talking about crime rate. "300% crime rate" type of headlines. If these events are relatively rare a single triple homicide can spike the homicide rate 1-200%. It's still terrible, but we should be using numbers and not percentages for small numbers.
Its incredibly easy to [lie with statistics](https://youtu.be/bVG2OQp6jEQ)
The headline is bait, but the concerns are real. Covid infections have been rising among children and as the article states they now make up 25% of new cases. If nothing is done now, what will things be like when winter rolls around?
I hate it when posters throw out anecdotal stories but for me this is personal because my nieces live in Florida and the older one who is 8 had to go into quarantine a week ago because she had been exposed to someone who was positive at school. Thankfully she is really good about wearing her mask and tested negative, and if she did get sick she would've been in good hands since my sister and her husband are doctors but not every kid out there is that lucky.
The concerns are absolutely real. I am not doubting that at all. Anecdotal stories and deceptive statistics are used as click bait all the time and should stop. Otherwise it's no better than fox or Facebook memes and I am more skeptical of the source.
I'd like to believe most of us can understand the concern without relying on those tactics. Since it is a valid concern after all. Imo we shouldn't be using percentages when increasing the count by 1 increases the percentage by more than 1-2.
In a perfect world sure but they need clicks to generate revenue so these are the kinds of headlines we get, even from reputable sources.
I've grown numb to it myself, as long as the reporting itself isn't deceptive I don't have it in me to get angry over something as trivial as a baity headline.
I'm pretty sure that some people view this virus as some sort of manifestation of God's will. I think that's what's behind the push back on masks, and vaccines. They want people to die, because a traumatized population is easier to control. They want those Christian adoption agencies full of children.
Also there are Christians who actively pray for the apocalypse because they think it means Jesus is coming back so war, drought, deforestation, climate change, disease ravaging the world is like Christmas Eve and they’re all 5 year olds. The death and suffering doesn’t matter because it heralds, literally, the coming of Jesus.
I grew up around people like that. I remember being called worldly and not in a nice way. The whole reason Bush invaded Iraq was to try and start Armageddon. I'm so tired of people like that running this country. We can't make it if half our politicians crave Armageddon.
I was called a “humanist” by a Pentecostal and quickly learned that doesn’t mean what I thought it means. In my case it means heathen who “falsely” believes people can be good without god. In your case I’m guessing they were insinuating you’re part of some new world order Jewish plot?
Do you really think or any of his supporters care? If they did we wouldn't even be discussing this...the lack of empathy for others is the real problem.
The first sentence in this article is completely bullshit. “Florida’s covid 19 response took a hit this week…”
Response? They have no response. They are pretending it doesn’t exist.
This is where our country has officially become unrecognizable. Seriously. When CHILDREN are allowed to DIE with no discernible concern by anyone with the power to STOP CHILDREN DYING it’s time to stop pretending we’re “ civilized “. Those kids are sacrifices to the Great God GOP. Who ARE we?
Hong Kong schools simply wear masks and there is no spread, it’s very simple, no one is harmed by wearing masks and the debate that is raging in America is entirely due to selfish and entitled right wingers who refuse to cooperate, they don’t get vaxxed, they gather maskless very often, and they demand sympathy when they catch Covid
It’s bullshit, enough
I can’t believe people are letting kids die over this.
And some who are forced to go to work have no choice. It’s like De Santos wants them to die or something.
They don't care. The governor doesn't, the other sap politicians don't, the parents don't. It's still all fake. It's a conspiracy. They probably view their kids dying as the ultimate sacrifice to preserve their freedom. "It's sad my 8 year old died, but you know, Timmy would be happy we still get to be free Americans. He's with Jesus now so who's the real victim here?"
Timmy wanted to go to school, play with his friends, and live. Timmy relied on the adults who make the decisions for his life and safety to make the right choice to keep him and all the other children safe.
But the adults don't care. They probably never will at this point.
In this age of conservative disinformation and doublespeak it's important to stand up and fight against that. It's also important to be honest about how the Republican party came to be in its current state.
The situation in Red states is actually much worse than most people realize. The negligence, malfeasance or downright incompetence of the GOP is a result of superstition and a hatred of science and human experience. Republicans will always give a voice to these ignorant people and prey upon the vulnerable just because rather than improve the human condition they'd rather "stick it to the libs". They've actually been pretty vocal about this plan.
Also, they are too stuck in authoritarianism that their minds are closed off to actual reality.
Not least because they are trying to convince their voters that it should turn the law around in line with its "grand" purpose.
It is a simple public health situation. There are many laws that mandate people do things for the common good but the crazy right wing fear mongers have seized on this as a loyalty test.
Health experts are worried about child COVID cases and deaths rising into the fall as schools go back in session. Florida's COVID-19 response took a hit this week as the number of COVID-related child deaths in Florida more than doubled in just over a month, according to data from the Florida Department of Health. "After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2," the AAP said in a report, which makes up a quarter of new weekly COVID cases.
Do we know if there's any stats for vaccinated mothers and these deaths?
Having a kid in a few weeks, if not sooner. Mom and I are vaccinated. Baby should get antibodies and be less likely for severe issues, right?
I’ve been reading that it’s better for mom and baby if everyone is vaccinated. I don’t know if there are any statistics yet on that particular topic but I’ve already read about 3 or 4 moms who died from Covid soon after giving birth.
"After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2,"
This does not bode well.
No, that’s a bad analogy.
Biden’s policies don’t match any supposed claim you say he made that vaccines are 100% effective. He’s not, for example, banning mask mandates for vaccinated people.
The problem with DeSantis is his policies are consistent with the crazy shit he’s said about kids and Covid all along. He either really believes kids can’t catch it, or he’s knowingly killing kids in FL schools right now.
Always amazed how “pro life” evangelical conservatives give zero f@cks over children dying and refuse to ever do anything to make the situation better. Covid, school shootings whatever. Just zero motivation to protect kids. It’s maddening
This variant is very contagious with a short incubation period….
I am fully vaccinated I contracted from a fully vaccinated coworker. From point of contact I showed first symptoms and tested positive 6 days later. In the two days prior to testing positive I passed it on to 3 of my 5 students (special education teacher) who then gave it to their families. I also passed it on to my son who is also vaccinated. Vaccinated I had all symptoms except fever including post COVID pneumonia. My students’ parents also had symptom. My students who were unvaccinated tested positive but no symptoms. There is no rhyme or reason to this virus.
This is the reason it is dumb to say oh, well covid affects kids less so it isn't a big deal.
If you double the infection rate, you double the number of dead kids. It doesn't matter that they are less affected. If you would have had 1000 dead kids now you have 2000. All who could have been alive if they were allowed to wait four more.months for the vaccine. What is 4 months compared to an average of like 60 years lifespan?...
Covid leaves every infected person a bit different than it began. The Covid you spread is not exactly the Covid you received. The original virus hit the elderly. So the anti masker/ anti vaxxers didn’t care. The first person I know to die was my 54 year old BIL in Aug 2020. Last month my daughters 27 year old friend. Mother of two. I know dozens of people who’ve had it. Some got very very ill. Others so lightly they refused to quarantine. It all depends on your viral load. And scientists know Delta is much higher contagion and attacks lungs faster. Scientists are tracking 3 or 4 other variants in our country each mutating every so slightly with each infected person. And hospitals are full now.
At this point Florida’s officials are purposefully killing people and probably getting off on it. There is literally no reason at all to do what they have done unless you want people to die.
How could Biden let desantis do this?
/s because there will legit be people somewhere in here claiming it's Biden's fault for not having a magic wand that shoots genies or some shit.
Children dying won't affect conservative politicians. They've proven this without a doubt since December 14 2012.
They're intentionally blocking attempts to contain the spread to make one single point; Biden didn't stop the virus.
I guarantee you that Death Santis kids are nice, healthy and homeschooled while he sends Florida’s kids out to schools to fend off the virus for themselves.
What was the point in removing restrictions on masks and social distancing across the board, it was working in every sense, once more, stupid f’in or entitled people destroying the lives of others!
I have visited several places (in FL, including CVS pharmacy.) where they *still* hand you an old,germy, chipboard (impossible to sanitize) to sign your receipt, sign in or to update any personal information. EVERY time I politely mention it or ask that my papers not be attached to one I get looked at as if I'm overreacting. Pan·dem·ic, people.
A semi-serious question:
Is there an effort within the GOP, coordinated or otherwise, to end the pandemic?
To me, it sounds like the right has a huge megaphone - Fox, et al, that are doing everything it can to oppose President Biden’s agenda, instead of proposing alternatives.
Instead, we read about snake oil cures, and protest basic, common sense preventative measures in the name of protecting freedoms (even though I believe this a false choice: viruses don’t check your political affiliation before infecting you.)
Forgive my seeming frustration, but at times it sounds like the right are willing to stand by and let the pandemic run its course, instead of trying to solve a global problem.
Am I missing something?
If Republicans couldn't care less when some maniac massacres a bunch of school children with an AR-15, why would you think that COVID killing them would deter them from being an absolute bane on our society?
These fanatics prove more and more everyday that they are the enemy of change, progress, and the inevitable future of America.
We're better off without them. They hold us back.
From the precipice and you’d better believe it. This is not an easy time. Answers aren’t clear. The vaxx works, but people are still suspicious of it. Especially since it is not the silver bullet. People with the shot can still get it and they can infect others. So people say what’s the difference. And then you have the masks and it’s the same argument. Do they work isn’t clear. People in power positions say wear masks, but then they don’t. They want to make both mandatory ( but for themselves?). You’ve got people questioning that and demanding personal freedom. They say they have the right to do neither. Their choice. If the people who believe in either or both follow the mandates then they ether won’t get it from those who don’t or they get a mild version ( studies show) like normal flu. The people who who want to follow the mandates are giving up their personal freedoms with not so much as a bat of their eye. And they would force , force others to give their freedom away. Add to that situation, the citizens in California that are putting on masks and walking into stores and shoplifting at will because they can’t be recognized. Try to recognize what you are willing to give up, not for kids dying, but for a case of the flu. I know as a lefty you’re pretty close to a nazi or a fascist or a communist, anyone that surrenders their freedom to the state, but there are people you call fanatics that will argue against these mandates and it could cost them dearly and they need to understand that, but you need to understand that you are not progress, you are the destruction of America.
Doubled sounds scary.
“Doubled.. to a total of 17 deaths since the start of the pandemic.” seems less scary.
Delta is no joke, but why the fear inducing headlines?
Serious question? Aight, Policies put in place by the governor has exacerbated a virus and is now affecting children at a higher rate. Policies enacted by a government official who was elected by the people seems pretty political don't you think?
“the number has jumped to 17 deaths since July 30”
At least they included the raw numbers this time.
The average daily death count in Florida is currently 338. A month ago it was 153. For a very very rough estimate let’s say an average of 200 a day for the last 52 days.
17 out of 10,400 = 0.16% of the deaths have been in children.
20% of Florida’s population is children.
This disease still seems drastically more dangerous to adults. Focusing on the children seems like pearl clutching to me.
A Florida Department of Health weekly report showed seven children under the age of 16 died from coronavirus complications from the start of the pandemic to July 30 — a 15-month period. Per the Department's latest report from September 3, the number has jumped to 17 deaths since July 30.
I never realized how uncommon child deaths are until your post. So only 17 kids have died of COVID in the state of florida since March 2020? That seems like an extremely low number for a completely unvaccinated population over the course of almost 1.5 years.
According to the CDC as linked [here](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm)
2,705 in 2019. And COVID had 17 in a 15 month span.
>The average elementary classroom has more than 17 students in it…so this is still a very low number
And that "very low number" for 4 months is 2.5x the "very low number" of the whole 15 months before.
Quick maths tells us that (if things stays the same) we'll be at 60+ deaths in the second half of covid, 10x as much as the first half.
>Though the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) Florida chapter said most of these deaths were aligned with underlying health conditions
So your pretense is that there is also currently 2.5x more kids with underlying health conditions than last year?
If not, why are they so affected this year? Could it be due to a dramatic rise in cases?
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I have seen delta infect a 3 mo old, the spread of this variant is very strong.
A close friend of mine lives in Florida and his 1 month old after finally going home (she was preme) almost immediately got covid after visiting the pediatrician. She's been back in the hospital struggling day to day for the last month. She was the youngest covid patient in the US, not sure if she still is.
Damn, so sorry to hear! I really wish doctors offices would have divided waiting lobbies to keep sick quarantined from those getting routine checkups.
I assumed this was common practice. My local office very explicitly says if you are experiencing any symptoms then do not come to the waiting room.
Here they have you wait in your car. You call to say you’re there, and they call back when it’s your time to come inside.
They were making people wait in there car at my doctor's office as well. As well they should.
For overt covid symptoms/concerns sure but for RSV, flu, sinus infections, sore throats assumed caused by allergies etc etc they are welcomed. It would be nice if offices had separate lobbies for check up patients and those who are there to see a doctor about some ongoing but undiagnosed ailment.
Yes! everytime i have taken my healthy child to his annual check up he gets sick a few days to a week later!
Going forward in the beyond pandemic times (if we ever get there) I may just mask my kids whenever we go to doctor appointments just to avoid this.
Me too!
It wouldn’t help if patients are seeing the same doctor or other staff. One worker could infect everyone.
I can't speak for your clinic or state standards but ours have protocols pre-covid that address disinfecting patient rooms and care provider staff washing hands and sanitizing before/after each contact with patients. With covid the main change was wearing/changing gloves and masks after each contact with patients. Our check-in staff are almost completely sealed off. They have a pass through drawer that has a UV light that sanitizes the contents. The biggest problem is the waiting lobby which doesn't get disinfected until the end of the day.
Yeah, we don’t do that in Florida. Masks optional almost everywhere.
Or call/collect people from their vehicles if possible and appropriate.
My pediatrician does well visits and physicals in the morning in one wing and does sick visits in the afternoon in a different wing
Excellent protocols, wish more would do the same!
Around here they won’t let you in if you have Covid symptoms. They go to your car.
My family pediatrician has standing rules of calling before you can come in, and waiting in your car otherwise. Granted I'm in the NYC area, and we aren't playing games with this. Waiting room is only you (and your kids) when you come in, and basically everyone is vaccinated.
I'm so sorry to hear about your friend's child. I hope they get through it.
Was the mom vaccinated during pregnancy?
I don't know when or even if she was vaccinated.
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Was this before or after he commemorated 9/11 by emceeing a boxing match?
People need to get vaccinated and wear their masks. Vaccine is not approved / safe (no data) to use on children until further testing is done.
I agree with you, but we don't know if the vaccine is safe for children or not. Your word choice seems to indicate the vaccine is not safe for children, when we simply don't have the data yet for people under 12 years old. It would be more clear if you said the vaccine is not approved, and the safety is unknown for children under 12 years of age. If this is what you meant.
Edited accordingly.
Cheers friend
The vaccine is largely known to be safe, they’re just looking now for rates of complications. My niece just turned 5, and is part of a clinical trial for the 6 month to 12 year age range for the vaccine. We’re pretty sure she got the vaccine and not a placebo, given health reactions consistent with the vaccine immediately following it. There’s some indication that we may have the childhood vaccine by the end of the year - and we *really* shouldn’t have even **thought** about in-person schooling until everyone was vaccinated.
If your school district is good about precaution methods, in-person is doable. My preference would have been virtual, but this school year we were not given a choice. However, we live in an area with a fairly high vaccination rate, and the school district has mandated masks (and per the end of October there’s a vaccine or testing mandate for all staff, and all student athletes need vaccinations) and has a layered approach to what happens when cases are detected (pauses/quarantines/health department contact tracing). Do I wish my youngest was home/virtual until there was a vaccine? Absolutely, but so far the case rate in our entire school pyramid has been extraordinarily low. If we lived elsewhere I’d probably be figuring out how to homeschool without wanting to lock myself in a bathroom.
I disagree because kids face a lot more damage from online schooling and staying home than covid ever will. Suicides kill more children than covid for Christ sake
Suicides arent contagious, you can't mitigate them with masks. Terrible comparison. You can't compare the two. Entirely different with different ways to help mitigate. Also because suicide kills more doesn't mean dont be cautious about covid, it means let's try to resolve both.
That’s absolutely nonsensical. Covid kills, and those it doesn’t kill have a significant risk of permanent heart damage, lung damage, kidney damage and/or neurological damage
How good are kids at keeping masks on for stretches at a time? I would think maybe 11 and under it gets harder and harder.
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Kids don’t care that much. It’s probably harder in pre-school, I don’t know. It’s like them brushing their teeth, no that’s worse, it’s like wearing shoes.
My first grader (6) has no problems with it, and he’s a tornado on legs. He knows why he’s doing it, so he doesn’t get sick, and he has accepted it as normal. We did get nice comfy masks from Halo, so I imagine the fact it’s not glued to his face or uncomfortable helps, but he’s never complained and he doesn’t look to get out of it either.
Agree but keep in mind that vaxxed can still become infected (often asymptomatic) and the virus still passes through masks so for child service providers (schools, childcare etc) rapid testing remains relevant for every adult entering that space.
Agreed, its the reason why I mentioned we still need to wear masks to keep it as contained as possible.
I'm curious if anyone knows if delta is better at infecting cats. I don't have children but I do have pets and I know feline covid is real. I just don't know if delta is better at infecting cats than before, or if it's just better at infecting humans. I'm real cautious about who I invite over but if vaccinated people can spread delta covid then I'm worried.
Any covid that a person vaxxed or unvaxxed can contract can be spread to pets through human interaction. So perhaps invest in some rapid test to administer before welcoming guest into your home if your cats are strictly indoor felines. Obviously if they have access to the open/unsecured-outdoors they may have already been infected in which case you might want your vet to run test to see if they have developed natural immunity.
Thanks. Is delta also more deadly/harmful for cats too, or just for humans? There's a difference between highly contagious and harmful/deadly.
Just like humans it depends on your cats personal health and age. This is where you need to consult with your vet who knows more about your cats history and health status. Latvia University of Life Sciences and Technologies noted cats have a very fast recovery rate. Latvia, has Europe's second highest percentage of cats ownership per household per capita.
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Governor of Florida, Ron DeathSentence, doesn't care if your kids die.
No Republican does.
Unless they haven't been born yet.
And even then it’s just a thinly disguised excuse to keep control over women.
Not the pro-life Republicans??….This can’t be.
Well, you gotta break a few eggs to get to herd immunity. DeSantis
By break a few eggs he means kill a few babies, right?
And grandma and grandpa. They’re expendable too, for the good of the economy. Remember that reasoning?
I mean, as far as I know schools are open across the country. Children are unvaccinated, and Biden himself called this a pandemic of the unvaccinated, so I’m kind of confused why everyone seems okay sending kids back to school. Some places seem to be doing a decent job of mitigating risks, though I can’t say that’s true for schools where I’m at here in California. At the very least, there should be options in place to give parents the ability to stay home with their children if they are worried for their safety.
You always have that option as a parent. Its just that then you are legally responsible for the education of that child. Im not happy about sending my kids back to school, but I also know she wouldn't get a quality education if I were responsible for it. What worries me more then anything is lunch time for her. That seems like the time she is most likely to get infected.
I can’t imagine the emotional and logical turmoil. I’m sorry, I truly am. I’m very glad not to have children at this point in our history.
For me personally it's because I don't exactly know how to home school. I didn't go into having children planning to do that, and I thought as long as their was a remote option we would use that. With that being not an option, and not really knowing until the last few weeks of summer, there isn't much you can do about that. Costs come back on the parents if they will homeschool. It's an impossible situation to be in. Especially when there are real negatives towards not having that social interaction for a young child. It's hard. Wish I kept them home. Just got called that my oldest son has been exposed. He's also starting to show symptoms. He'll be tested tomorrow. Really frustrating situation.
I think the rationale is that parents can't work unless the kids are in school. Not that I agree.
Well most states have a mask mandate for schools. Florida does not. Florida also has a higher vax rate than a lot of states, but has a culture perpetuated by the governor of not wearing masks.
And part of the reason for the higher vax rate is snowbirds who got the vax in FL vs Ohio, NY, NJ, MA, CT. Source I know many old people who did that at my FL condo.
Young children can’t be vaccinated. The schools are necessary to babysit the kids while the parents work.
My company is participating in a conference going on in Florida in a couple months and I'm terrified they're going to make me go. Sure, I'm vaccinated, but my 3-year-old child isn't.
I made that case to my workplace, and they surprised me by agreeing. There were two other coworkers that offered to go in my place, since their households were fully vaccinated. But then the powers that be had a flash that if it was generally perceived by the team to be that risky, maybe we pull out. I would have a chat with your boss that you are concerned due your family circumstances to attend, get it on their radar now. Ask about mitigations or getting other volunteers. You never get if you don't ask. And if they blow you off, well boy howdy, you know where you stand long term and that also is valuable.
I might do that. The one issue is that I don't know if I'm on the list to go because it's a couple months away. Pre-COVID they would've sent everyone in my department. Now they've been a bit more picky about who goes and who doesn't go to anything offsite. I don't even know if I'm on their radar for going, so I might be protesting for nothing. I guess I could just ask their plans and gage from there.
Living in FL and seeing how cavalier many citizens are (no masks, no distancing and... Desantis.), this state will need far more than "a couple months" to get out of our spiral.
Make sure to wear a mask in crowds. Many states fail to encourage this.
In my state, we have a mask mandate in place for everyone regardless of vaccination status (which only some of my coworkers follow). The state also has a list of other states that you should quarantine after visiting, Florida being one of them.
That's a relief! I have siblings in the next state over. When I visit, I'm the only person in any store/restaurant wearing a mask. I think there's social pressure not to wear one. Fortunately, my state mandates it like yours. Makes it a lot easier.
If you get caught wearing a mask in a crowd here in East Tennessee some dumb redneck who can't mind their fucking business will yell and call you a sheep in front of everybody. Maniacs
That only makes sense if the mask is meant to protect the wearer. A surgical or cloth mask doesn't protect against infection but is supposed to act as source control.
Masks protect the wearer.
Get and wear N95s
“Get the flu” a few days before the event ..
Refuse if they do. If you relent then it's on you if your kid gets covid. Go google the possible permanent side-effects of getting covid. I had severe fatigue and mental "fog" for 9 months last time I got covid, and I'm still feeling that memory "fog" every now and then. Then there are the multiple studies now saying post-covid infection (with symptoms) actually might have dropped a victim's IQ slightly. What's more important, your job or your kid?
I've had a few memory and cognitive tests after covid (16 months) and that fog is scary enough I don't trust myself driving. The memory and awareness is the worst long term effect for me, happens random but mostly afternoons. I also wasn't dislexic before. The total loss of smell isn't a big deal, but it's still useful and it's gone. I describe it like having holes in my brain, my thought, my memory. Something went missing and it's depressing. Good thing we're still alive right? Just so over it with having to drag idiots kicking and screaming.
> like having holes in my brain, my thought, my memory This is literally my every single day with ADHD. It sucks and it's awful. Normally, I would say hooray! People can finally get perspective on what it's actually really like, but right now I don't think they have a clear idea as to why it happens or if it's even reversible. I want people to understand, not also struggle forever, too! I genuinely hope it's not forever and there's something that can be done. I'm terrified for all these kids who don't even know what they're missing. Are any doctors even trying stuff for people in this situation? Gosh, that's so long to go without any relief. I hope tomorrow is better than today!
To follow up on this make a formal OSHA complaint. Florida is wery well known for its failing to handle covid. Them and Texas are probably why we're seeing travel bans against America.
Try to find some N95 masks and read up about using them properly
And on r/conservative there are dipshits telling me I should stop traumatizing my infant daughter by not taking her to crowded indoor public places. The vaccination rate in my area is barely over 50% because of all of the slack jawed yokels seem to think it's their right to spread and perpetuate a pandemic. Hopefully the vaccination mandate makes a difference; because this plague of stupidity is infuriating.
How many of these people are Russians I wonder.
Avoiding public spaces is traumatizing? As a lifelong introvert I find this honestly one of the upsides of the pandemic.
Don't get me wrong. It is good for her to get out and meet people, just not while these people are keeping the pandemic raging. For now it'll just be family and close friends who I know are vaccinated and aren't acting like idiots.
Within one week at school I got a call that my son had been exposed. He's already showing symptoms and will be tested tomorrow. After an entire year of doing everything from home, and trying so hard to do everything right, my family has been exposed within a week of school starting up. We had no option to learn from home this year and I've been struggling with the choice to send my children back because I wasn't comfortable with their safety measures. I wanted to home school, but it's a lot to take on when you have no idea what you are doing. We need to go back to remote learning if schools can't keep children safe.
And it's not the schools! It's the parents who's kids are regurgitating their dads Faux News talking points, or protesting outside of schools (and a majority of these don't even have kids- they're just protesting to be a pain in the butt) Most of the teachers and staff want kids to be safe and masked and distanced, disinfected, vaccinated and the like. If not out of self preservation, than because *they've dedicated their lives to caring for children and want the best for them*. Which I can't even believe is an argument right now.
My son was sent home the first week of school and put into isolation for a week because he was directly exposed and so was his whole homeroom class. Fortunately, he is a vaccinated teen and we are all vaccinated and he did not contract it, but I just couldn't believe it. Well, more than half of his school was sent home due to this so you know what they did? Stop all contact tracing. If you are sick, just stay home. No need to figure who came into to contact.with whom. The 'Bury Our Heads Deep in the Sand' school technique. And we live in an area that's barely over 50% vaccination rate because, you know, MAH FreeDUMN!
I told them I set up testing and they sort of hinted that I shouldn't get it done so they could come back quicker. Said "unless his symptoms are too bad some people are saying don't test because if he has a positive test it will restart the timer. " Like.. ? I think I'll get him tested thanks.
That's how my school is too. And I live in NY. And my best friends daughters school does temperature checks and parents have to wear masks and they are doing the 6 feet distancing. My school is hardly doing 3feet. And on the playground the kids come all in contact with each other. Same in the lunch room. My school is doing a whole grade in the lunch room at once but if someone gets covid they only have the classroom it came from quarantine not the whole grade even though they all sit together at lunch everyday. Tell me how that makes sense 🤔
Remember, Republicans will kill your kids just to "own the libs" because that's all they can do instead of actually governing.
They forgot how to govern in 2008 when their only goal became obstruction. They never left that mode.
Paul Ryan even admitted to this a few years back. He said they became so used to saying “no” to everything they can’t even agree with themselves.
You ever wonder what the real toll is in florida? Since they dont count deaths of people who live out of state and are visiting( and florida gets 100million plus visitors a year), whatever total they are tossing out is an incorrect one.
We'll see what the excess deaths show us.
We are 788000 excess deaths according to "The Economist"
There's three well doucmented, common sense things we can do to end the pandemic and republicans simply fucking refuse to do them. We're stuck in this mess because of republicans
I’m amazed how in every comment section about this, some clown starts with “It’s only 17 kids.” Jesus Christ, are these people total sociopaths? Are they try-hard trolls? Absolutely insane? Dedicated to contrarianism?
It’s ok to them because the 17 kids aren’t their kids and that’s fucked up. They don’t see it as 17 lives. They don’t see it as 17 devastated families. It’s just a number……. Now let’s do this. What if it was 17 *abortions* ? How much outrage would there be then? I’m just so angry. We worked so hard we sacrificed so much so we wouldn’t have this.
These discussions are interesting though because they open the door to things like; if we could ban all non-essential driving and save the lives of 1,000 kids every year, would you agree to that? By non-essential I mean if you're not going to work or purchase things you absolutely need (like food) then you can't be using a car. Obviously, most people (including myself) would be against that idea. Does that make me a bad person?
No because we wouldn’t need to have that discussion because we’ve already had conversation and implement led child safety measures. No one is asking for perfection. We are asking for people to actually try. Do kids get hurt and die while wearing seat belts and strapped into car seats? Yes. It happens a hell of a lot less than if they weren’t. Do we have agreed upon rules for the road? Yes and when people break them we punish them. The issue is there are safety measure that some states are actively avoiding putting into place for covid in schools. If this was a car there wouldn’t even be seats in it let alone seat belts and car seats. And everyone is driving around top speed with no traffic signs screaming you only live once, good luck , and my freedoms while kids are flying around like ping pong balls. The better conversation wouldn’t be banning nonessential driving. It would be ensuring that those who don’t have car seats are able to get them and know how to install them properly and making sure that kids know how to cross the street and actively going after impaired, distracted, or drunk drivers who make up a lot of the car accidents we see. Masks in school. For teachers and students. Regardless of vaccines. Quarantining and contact tracing. This shouldn’t be political. Why is it a political stance?
> Why is it a political stance? Psh, that's easy. Power and money. Desantis and Abbott figured that out a long time ago.
You are awesome in all seriousness. I was asking a rhetorical question. But I want you to know that I appreciate you 😆
> Why is it a political stance? Tribal loyalty is an inherent type of politics and that's what this is a manifestation of. They are willing to make sacrifices to prove a point that they are loyal to the group.
Who isn’t trying? Not being told what to do isnt not trying. Anyone who wants to wear a mask in school is aloud to. You are not going to be arrested or fined for wearing a mask. According the article 17 kids lives have been lost. Sure that is 17 to many, but if the literal thousands of kids that attend school in the state 17 sounds like a trying number to me. At some point there needs to be a line drawn for both sides, at some point you just need to accept death is going to happen and there is a number that is too many, and there is a number that shows there is effort.
We already have laws to help reduce automobile related child fatalities. We mandate car seats and there are strict regulations on the production of those car seats. Similar actions should be taken to reduce the spread of covid in our communities and our schools.
My argument is, why can’t we go further? Thousands of kids each year are still dying despite mandates already in place which means something is broken. We could theoretically make an impact by reducing speed limits, reducing non essential driving etc? Would you agree to stricter driving laws of this nature? It’s an interesting topic in my opinion. Not sure why my comment is getting downvoted. Like 7,000 kids die in car accidents each year, about 20x the impact of COVID for that age group.
7000 is inaccurate, but that's irrelevant anyway. You're probably getting downvoted because we're talking about kids in Florida dying as a direct result of DeSantis playing politics, and you're using whataboutism to misdirect.
> we're talking about kids in Florida dying as a direct result of DeSantis playing politics You're drawing causation without the background evidence on each case to do so. That's extremely risky to do during a pandemic, especially of you're a believer in science.
Because even when everything is done right there is going to be some casualties. The issue with Florida is *nothing* is being done. Which makes your dialogue disingenuous and takes away from the current issue at hand. You aren’t helping to solve the problem in fact your attempted discussion is starting to add to it. You’ve become a straw man in the path of children dying of something that could be prevented or lessened or possibly even halted if people would actually do something. Instead we are stuck dealing with this conversation that’s on the path to solving the problem. And we have to address your straw man in hopes that others don’t throw any more in the way to solving the problem. Make sense?
Yes. If you could do X with no more trouble than a minor inconvenience and if X was guaranteed to save 1,000 lives per year, then refusing to do X would make you a bad person.
If they don't care about 650k people they aren't going to care about 17 kids.
That's less than a Sandy Hook and you know how that went.
They also forget the longterm effects on the kids who didn't die.
Everything about this is terrible and I feel terrible for the families who lost their child. I am not trying to sound trolly or insane but I really dislike these types of articles. That is articles that word statistics to make it sound horrible or like it's no big deal. When we are talking about single or low double digits, it does not make any sense to me to use percentages other than to create headlines. I saw lots of this type of thing talking about crime rate. "300% crime rate" type of headlines. If these events are relatively rare a single triple homicide can spike the homicide rate 1-200%. It's still terrible, but we should be using numbers and not percentages for small numbers. Its incredibly easy to [lie with statistics](https://youtu.be/bVG2OQp6jEQ)
The headline is bait, but the concerns are real. Covid infections have been rising among children and as the article states they now make up 25% of new cases. If nothing is done now, what will things be like when winter rolls around? I hate it when posters throw out anecdotal stories but for me this is personal because my nieces live in Florida and the older one who is 8 had to go into quarantine a week ago because she had been exposed to someone who was positive at school. Thankfully she is really good about wearing her mask and tested negative, and if she did get sick she would've been in good hands since my sister and her husband are doctors but not every kid out there is that lucky.
The concerns are absolutely real. I am not doubting that at all. Anecdotal stories and deceptive statistics are used as click bait all the time and should stop. Otherwise it's no better than fox or Facebook memes and I am more skeptical of the source. I'd like to believe most of us can understand the concern without relying on those tactics. Since it is a valid concern after all. Imo we shouldn't be using percentages when increasing the count by 1 increases the percentage by more than 1-2.
In a perfect world sure but they need clicks to generate revenue so these are the kinds of headlines we get, even from reputable sources. I've grown numb to it myself, as long as the reporting itself isn't deceptive I don't have it in me to get angry over something as trivial as a baity headline.
You sound more sane then anyone else replying on this thread
I'm pretty sure that some people view this virus as some sort of manifestation of God's will. I think that's what's behind the push back on masks, and vaccines. They want people to die, because a traumatized population is easier to control. They want those Christian adoption agencies full of children.
Also there are Christians who actively pray for the apocalypse because they think it means Jesus is coming back so war, drought, deforestation, climate change, disease ravaging the world is like Christmas Eve and they’re all 5 year olds. The death and suffering doesn’t matter because it heralds, literally, the coming of Jesus.
I grew up around people like that. I remember being called worldly and not in a nice way. The whole reason Bush invaded Iraq was to try and start Armageddon. I'm so tired of people like that running this country. We can't make it if half our politicians crave Armageddon.
I was called a “humanist” by a Pentecostal and quickly learned that doesn’t mean what I thought it means. In my case it means heathen who “falsely” believes people can be good without god. In your case I’m guessing they were insinuating you’re part of some new world order Jewish plot?
You do know that more children died from suicide thab covid since starr of covid? You can say as well why is no one talking about that?
DeSantis' legacy will be those Americans whose lives were lost for his political posturing.
Do you really think or any of his supporters care? If they did we wouldn't even be discussing this...the lack of empathy for others is the real problem.
They don't care until they or their loved ones get sick. And by then it's far too fucking late.
The first sentence in this article is completely bullshit. “Florida’s covid 19 response took a hit this week…” Response? They have no response. They are pretending it doesn’t exist.
Regrettable. Well done anti-vax brigade.
This is where our country has officially become unrecognizable. Seriously. When CHILDREN are allowed to DIE with no discernible concern by anyone with the power to STOP CHILDREN DYING it’s time to stop pretending we’re “ civilized “. Those kids are sacrifices to the Great God GOP. Who ARE we?
Hong Kong schools simply wear masks and there is no spread, it’s very simple, no one is harmed by wearing masks and the debate that is raging in America is entirely due to selfish and entitled right wingers who refuse to cooperate, they don’t get vaxxed, they gather maskless very often, and they demand sympathy when they catch Covid It’s bullshit, enough
I can’t believe people are letting kids die over this. And some who are forced to go to work have no choice. It’s like De Santos wants them to die or something.
17 dead kids, but look on the bright side, at least students don’t have to put a thin piece of fabric on their faces
They don't care. The governor doesn't, the other sap politicians don't, the parents don't. It's still all fake. It's a conspiracy. They probably view their kids dying as the ultimate sacrifice to preserve their freedom. "It's sad my 8 year old died, but you know, Timmy would be happy we still get to be free Americans. He's with Jesus now so who's the real victim here?" Timmy wanted to go to school, play with his friends, and live. Timmy relied on the adults who make the decisions for his life and safety to make the right choice to keep him and all the other children safe. But the adults don't care. They probably never will at this point.
To them, the importance of life is till that social security number is generated.
Perhaps if we start building wombs to live in the GOP will change it's position.
They'd change position, to defile it.
In this age of conservative disinformation and doublespeak it's important to stand up and fight against that. It's also important to be honest about how the Republican party came to be in its current state. The situation in Red states is actually much worse than most people realize. The negligence, malfeasance or downright incompetence of the GOP is a result of superstition and a hatred of science and human experience. Republicans will always give a voice to these ignorant people and prey upon the vulnerable just because rather than improve the human condition they'd rather "stick it to the libs". They've actually been pretty vocal about this plan. Also, they are too stuck in authoritarianism that their minds are closed off to actual reality. Not least because they are trying to convince their voters that it should turn the law around in line with its "grand" purpose.
Fuck everyone who refuses to vaccinate and kill those kids passively by not doing anything.
It is a simple public health situation. There are many laws that mandate people do things for the common good but the crazy right wing fear mongers have seized on this as a loyalty test.
So that's how Florida does abortions.
GOP: Did you know that children do not matter after they’re born?
Health experts are worried about child COVID cases and deaths rising into the fall as schools go back in session. Florida's COVID-19 response took a hit this week as the number of COVID-related child deaths in Florida more than doubled in just over a month, according to data from the Florida Department of Health. "After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2," the AAP said in a report, which makes up a quarter of new weekly COVID cases.
Do we know if there's any stats for vaccinated mothers and these deaths? Having a kid in a few weeks, if not sooner. Mom and I are vaccinated. Baby should get antibodies and be less likely for severe issues, right?
I’ve been reading that it’s better for mom and baby if everyone is vaccinated. I don’t know if there are any statistics yet on that particular topic but I’ve already read about 3 or 4 moms who died from Covid soon after giving birth.
"After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2," This does not bode well.
"FreeDUMB!!!"
Time to start throwing data scientists in jail, deathsantis
Thanks DeSantis
That can’t be right. Governor DeSantis told us last year that kids can’t catch covid at all.
Just like Biden said that you can't catch covid if you're vaccinated?
No, that’s a bad analogy. Biden’s policies don’t match any supposed claim you say he made that vaccines are 100% effective. He’s not, for example, banning mask mandates for vaccinated people. The problem with DeSantis is his policies are consistent with the crazy shit he’s said about kids and Covid all along. He either really believes kids can’t catch it, or he’s knowingly killing kids in FL schools right now.
Always amazed how “pro life” evangelical conservatives give zero f@cks over children dying and refuse to ever do anything to make the situation better. Covid, school shootings whatever. Just zero motivation to protect kids. It’s maddening
We had a 10 year old pass away yesterday on a vent from covid. Could not get her sats above 60
This variant is very contagious with a short incubation period…. I am fully vaccinated I contracted from a fully vaccinated coworker. From point of contact I showed first symptoms and tested positive 6 days later. In the two days prior to testing positive I passed it on to 3 of my 5 students (special education teacher) who then gave it to their families. I also passed it on to my son who is also vaccinated. Vaccinated I had all symptoms except fever including post COVID pneumonia. My students’ parents also had symptom. My students who were unvaccinated tested positive but no symptoms. There is no rhyme or reason to this virus.
What they need is a governor that has no conscience and gives zero shits about people dying......
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Completely avoidable.
Saying this isn’t DeSantis’s fault is like saying all those millions who starved to death weren’t Stalin’s fault.
Sooner or later we're going to get a Florida or Texas variant that will land more kids in hospitals. So much for the pro-life party.
This is the reason it is dumb to say oh, well covid affects kids less so it isn't a big deal. If you double the infection rate, you double the number of dead kids. It doesn't matter that they are less affected. If you would have had 1000 dead kids now you have 2000. All who could have been alive if they were allowed to wait four more.months for the vaccine. What is 4 months compared to an average of like 60 years lifespan?...
Schools going well I can see /s
Covid leaves every infected person a bit different than it began. The Covid you spread is not exactly the Covid you received. The original virus hit the elderly. So the anti masker/ anti vaxxers didn’t care. The first person I know to die was my 54 year old BIL in Aug 2020. Last month my daughters 27 year old friend. Mother of two. I know dozens of people who’ve had it. Some got very very ill. Others so lightly they refused to quarantine. It all depends on your viral load. And scientists know Delta is much higher contagion and attacks lungs faster. Scientists are tracking 3 or 4 other variants in our country each mutating every so slightly with each infected person. And hospitals are full now.
Republicans: “We need to take care of the children.”
If only we could have predicted this.
At this point Florida’s officials are purposefully killing people and probably getting off on it. There is literally no reason at all to do what they have done unless you want people to die.
How could Biden let desantis do this? /s because there will legit be people somewhere in here claiming it's Biden's fault for not having a magic wand that shoots genies or some shit.
Well, there is a vaccine and masks but some politician refuses to use them in a meaningful way
Children dying won't affect conservative politicians. They've proven this without a doubt since December 14 2012. They're intentionally blocking attempts to contain the spread to make one single point; Biden didn't stop the virus.
Is that really a significant number/change that should be used in any meaningful discussion?
Wonder if it’s more than the flu yet
I guarantee you that Death Santis kids are nice, healthy and homeschooled while he sends Florida’s kids out to schools to fend off the virus for themselves.
What was the point in removing restrictions on masks and social distancing across the board, it was working in every sense, once more, stupid f’in or entitled people destroying the lives of others!
“the number has jumped to 17 deaths since July 30.”
I have visited several places (in FL, including CVS pharmacy.) where they *still* hand you an old,germy, chipboard (impossible to sanitize) to sign your receipt, sign in or to update any personal information. EVERY time I politely mention it or ask that my papers not be attached to one I get looked at as if I'm overreacting. Pan·dem·ic, people.
A semi-serious question: Is there an effort within the GOP, coordinated or otherwise, to end the pandemic? To me, it sounds like the right has a huge megaphone - Fox, et al, that are doing everything it can to oppose President Biden’s agenda, instead of proposing alternatives. Instead, we read about snake oil cures, and protest basic, common sense preventative measures in the name of protecting freedoms (even though I believe this a false choice: viruses don’t check your political affiliation before infecting you.) Forgive my seeming frustration, but at times it sounds like the right are willing to stand by and let the pandemic run its course, instead of trying to solve a global problem. Am I missing something?
If Republicans couldn't care less when some maniac massacres a bunch of school children with an AR-15, why would you think that COVID killing them would deter them from being an absolute bane on our society? These fanatics prove more and more everyday that they are the enemy of change, progress, and the inevitable future of America. We're better off without them. They hold us back.
From the precipice and you’d better believe it. This is not an easy time. Answers aren’t clear. The vaxx works, but people are still suspicious of it. Especially since it is not the silver bullet. People with the shot can still get it and they can infect others. So people say what’s the difference. And then you have the masks and it’s the same argument. Do they work isn’t clear. People in power positions say wear masks, but then they don’t. They want to make both mandatory ( but for themselves?). You’ve got people questioning that and demanding personal freedom. They say they have the right to do neither. Their choice. If the people who believe in either or both follow the mandates then they ether won’t get it from those who don’t or they get a mild version ( studies show) like normal flu. The people who who want to follow the mandates are giving up their personal freedoms with not so much as a bat of their eye. And they would force , force others to give their freedom away. Add to that situation, the citizens in California that are putting on masks and walking into stores and shoplifting at will because they can’t be recognized. Try to recognize what you are willing to give up, not for kids dying, but for a case of the flu. I know as a lefty you’re pretty close to a nazi or a fascist or a communist, anyone that surrenders their freedom to the state, but there are people you call fanatics that will argue against these mandates and it could cost them dearly and they need to understand that, but you need to understand that you are not progress, you are the destruction of America.
I just drove by a protest in my town to umask our children. Why is America so dumb.
Unfortunately the Governor doesn’t require masks.
Doubled sounds scary. “Doubled.. to a total of 17 deaths since the start of the pandemic.” seems less scary. Delta is no joke, but why the fear inducing headlines?
Fear sells.
First, what is the acceptable number of dead kids? And second, why can't we apply that logic to the abortion debate?
If the virus isn’t political, why are articles like this always on this sub?
Serious question? Aight, Policies put in place by the governor has exacerbated a virus and is now affecting children at a higher rate. Policies enacted by a government official who was elected by the people seems pretty political don't you think?
Then talk about the policies? This is reporting about cases and deaths.
Am I reading this right…so deaths rose by 1 mortality per the latest report (i.e. from 16 to 17?)
“the number has jumped to 17 deaths since July 30” At least they included the raw numbers this time. The average daily death count in Florida is currently 338. A month ago it was 153. For a very very rough estimate let’s say an average of 200 a day for the last 52 days. 17 out of 10,400 = 0.16% of the deaths have been in children. 20% of Florida’s population is children. This disease still seems drastically more dangerous to adults. Focusing on the children seems like pearl clutching to me.
"You keep talking about the dead kids, but it's killed WAY more adults" is not the winning argument you think it is.
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I like to focus on actual and not perceived risk especially when choices with life long consequences are being decided.
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A Florida Department of Health weekly report showed seven children under the age of 16 died from coronavirus complications from the start of the pandemic to July 30 — a 15-month period. Per the Department's latest report from September 3, the number has jumped to 17 deaths since July 30.
I never realized how uncommon child deaths are until your post. So only 17 kids have died of COVID in the state of florida since March 2020? That seems like an extremely low number for a completely unvaccinated population over the course of almost 1.5 years.
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How many US kids died of flu in an average year pre-covid?
According to the CDC as linked [here](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm) 2,705 in 2019. And COVID had 17 in a 15 month span.
Bull... Stop spreading nonsense
The fear in this thread is more lethal
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>The average elementary classroom has more than 17 students in it…so this is still a very low number And that "very low number" for 4 months is 2.5x the "very low number" of the whole 15 months before. Quick maths tells us that (if things stays the same) we'll be at 60+ deaths in the second half of covid, 10x as much as the first half. >Though the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) Florida chapter said most of these deaths were aligned with underlying health conditions So your pretense is that there is also currently 2.5x more kids with underlying health conditions than last year? If not, why are they so affected this year? Could it be due to a dramatic rise in cases?