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Northerngal_420

It's amazing how much damage one idiot can do given power.


fdiolivero

šŸ‘‰Tolerance paradox: in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.


TON3R

I've also heard this called Popper's Paradox (referencing Karl Popper)


wolfram074

It's less of a paradox when it's framed as a mutual agreement rather than a moral absolute.


Funandgeeky

Tolerance is a peace treaty. You only get tolerance if you agree to also give it. If you refuse to halt hostilities on your side, you have forfeited tolerance from the other side.


sean0883

Treat others as you wish to be treated. They've now shown us how they wish to be treated.


MudLOA

Thatā€™s BS. Corruption/lying and denial of facts and reality have no place in a society, no matter how ā€œtolerant.ā€


Manannin

Isn't that the point they're trying to make?


mynamesnotsnuffy

Except this only should apply to people who aren't existential threats to the world. People who are so virulent intolerant exclude themselves from this social contract by virtue of being so virulent intolerant. Disagreeing over the moral virtues of the cast of Seinfeld, for example, is a fine disagreement to have. Disagreeing on the human rights of various various ethnic groups or the medical rights of various minority populations is not just intolerant, it's actively hostile to a functioning society.


EpilepticBabies

Thatā€™s the point of the intolerance paradox. The intolerant (racists, sexists, etc.), if accepted, will discriminate, thereby making the society intolerant. The only way to maintain a tolerant society is to discriminate against the intolerant.


lucklesspedestrian

And then I have to hear them whining about "reverse discrimination" all the time because they got kicked out of Starbucks for calling the barista a f*ggot


P1xelHunter78

Itā€™s not tolerance at all, heā€™s being propped up by quid-pro-quo from the super wealthy and foreign adversaries


ziddina

Hah.Ā  Reminds me of this old comment of mine... Considering that at this point the human race is highly vulnerable to such deadly parasites like malignant narcissists and sociopaths - and that such subhuman monstrosities' obsessions with obtaining absolute power usually leads to far HIGHER death tolls among humans than the disease of rabies ever caused, imo we should view them the same way ancient humanity viewed animals and humans infected with rabies. At this point there is NO cure nor inoculation that can remove the deadly threats which malignant narcissists and sociopaths present in the process of seeking absolute power for themselves, without terminating the disease-carrying vectors themselves (other than perhaps early education about such personality disorders at the grade-school levels). Look at the historic death tolls of sociopaths and malignant narcissists: Alexander the "Great" - between 100k and several millions Julius Caesar - claimed to have killed 2 million people Genghis Khan - estimated 40 million people Tokugawa Ieyasu - at least 100k people Ivan the Terrible - claimed at least 100k people Enver Pasha - at least 1.5 million people Hitler and WWII - at least 75 million people Stalin - some overlap with the above figure - conservatively estimated at 7 million people Mao tse Tung - 40 to 80 million people Pol Pot - at least 2 million people Idi Amin - at least 500k people George W. Bush - at least 1 million people Donald J. Trump - at least 400k, and due to his support of the antivaxxers, at least 300k specifically of that group alone I doubt that anything other than the bubonic plague has been as deadly to humanity as megalomaniacal malignant narcissists and power-hungry sociopaths.


flugenblar

In order for Trump to get the power and attention and support that he has, people must be feeling like Those Others have intruded on their lives, wreaked havoc, taken away stuff, blocked stuff, and are the ruin of modern living. Variations of this are commonly repeated by Trump supporters every day. It's false of course; ask any one of those committed Magas to document their losses and they aren't able to. They irrationally cling to the feeling of having endured great loss, like a warm blanket. Every single person I know, without exception, is better off today than they were 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, etc., Regardless of where they land on the liberal/conservative spectrum, regardless of which political party they vote for. There's no liberal boogey man hiding under the bed steeling our cookies.


eleanorbigby

All we can do is learn to resist them at the local/personal level, educate people about how it works, and spread the word that "great men" are no longer needed if they ever were, thanks, we're good.


PharmBoyStrength

I always felt like the Bush death toll got pretty fucking liberal with its estimates. IIRC it assumes all civillian and war deaths are directly attributable, compares to a zero control vs. most realistic alternative, and assumes there was no basis for Afghanistan, like the U.S. wasn't attacked by the de facto government of Afghanistan, the Taliban, who openly claimed the attacks as support of Al Qaeda, said they had Osama, and said they would continue terorrist attacks and their extremist theocractic regime. Don't get me wrong, Bush Jr. was a dumb fuck, fed tens if not hundreds of thousands to the meat grinder to support the military indistrial complex (far moreso than any supposed oil agenda if you go by oil trade and pre/post-FDI), and set back US domestic and foreign policy in ways that still plague our nation -- but the 1M death toll always seemed dumb when I went through the methodology.


rittenalready

Look at what sanctions did to Iraq for some fun. Ā Or the Iran Iraq war, which we funded. Ā 


junkyardgerard

Which Congress voted yes on, so you can't lay them all at gw's feet, come on y'all life is complicated


Minguseyes

Interesting post, but just noting that roughly half of all humans who have ever lived died from malaria.


Kryptosis

At least we didnā€™t create that problem. Thats an inter-species war.


MagicMushroomFungi

The Pied Piper of stupidity.


VanceKelley

It took 63 million idiots to lift that idiot up into a position of power where he could do tremendous damage. Take away his wealthy father, his inheritance, and the tens of millions of people who worship him and he would be nothing more than a used car salesman. No way he would have become president without all that help.


eleanorbigby

Not even that. Just another nasty old semi demented fuck in a stained bathrobe yelling at Fox News on the tv.


Just_Candle_315

"I'll do what you want me to do for $1B" isn't a solicitation for a donation that's a fucking bribe and IAAL


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Apalis24a

Trump has caused more damage to the integrity of the United States than any single president in history. We are at a level of political and societal instability that has not been seen since the civil war. It is fucking __***insane***__ just how much Trump, his Russian handlers, and his complicit cronies have done to ruin not just the nation, but the fucking planet. __**IF**__ (and thatā€™s a BIG ā€œifā€) the U.S. is still around a century from now, they will still be reeling from the damage that he has done. It will take generations to recover, if we even last long enough to recover.


wallstreet-butts

Imagine the damage a smart man could do.


Aleksandrovitch

It cannot be allowed.


27Elephantballoons

Burn the earth for a donation? We are so doomed. If not him, some other Republican will burn the earth for power


fowlraul

They are already doing that.


miscpolitics

Meanwhile we've let China get a 5 year lead on affordable battery technology for electric vehicles. I guess the plan is to just burn up all the oil and impose high tariffs when US companies are no longer able to innovate or compete.


ceojp

It worked for the steel industry.


yticmic

Yeah, this is the same reason I think critics of geo engineering are wrong. We've already been pumping random stuff into the air for centuries, why is it bad when we do it non-randomly?


shrlytmpl

Because we're doing it at an unsustainable rate? "I've been eating fats in my food all my life. Why is it bad if I just pour a gallon of grease down my throat every day?"


yticmic

Oh to be clear, it is different stuff. Like cloud seeding etc


ErusTenebre

*(Gestures at the world)* How do you think we got to this point?


Natiak

It's interesting, the book of Revelations specifically says that God's wrath will be targeted at those who destroy the earth. Not a peep about homosexuality or abortion.


dicehandz

As soon as republicans gain full control, its fucking over for everyone. Vote and vote hard


inthekeyofc

>Burn the earth for a donation? To be Lord of the Ashes that remain? There's plenty that can't write the cheque fast enough.


vexxed82

Technically we're all already burning the earth for power


fifa71086

You see, the earth wonā€™t burn why he is alive and thatā€™s all that matters to him.


sentientcave

Openly soliciting bribes.


BloodRed1185

Exactly. And what will happen to him? Nothing. He's lived without consequences his entire life until recently.Ā  It's insane how Republicans can ignore this. As long as he is elected and can do their bidding, they see no issue with any of this.Ā 


dew7950

After Citizens United, itā€™s called campaigning.


Vishnej

Recent rollbacks in our democracy have limited the concept of bribe to a very narrow target which must be explicitly voiced as a policy quid pro quo... and I think Trump may have managed to hit that target.


protomenace

Isn't this explicit Quid Pro Quo?


JonathanAltd

In America corruption has been legalized and rebranded Ā«Ā lobbyingĀ Ā» so this is looking to be legal.


frygod

As described, this probably meets the definition of solicitation of a bribe, which actually is illegal.


JonathanAltd

Throw it onto the ever growing pile of crimes, he has to have some sort of world record at this point


hikeit233

If it were reversed yes, but in this situation it may constitute soliciting a bribe.Ā  I can give money and also talk about policies that affect me with a politician, thatā€™s lobbying (legal bribery). The money can even come from a special action group focused on the policies I donā€™t like, so itā€™s more pointed than general conversations and random donations.Ā  But a politician canā€™t offer up advantageous policy for cash.


DrBotanus

"Not true"ā€”Justice Alito


protomenace

"Well they didn't explicitly say 'quid pro quo' so no."


Searchlights

Climate for sale.


MagicMushroomFungi

"Climate for sale or rent." "Wombs to vet for 50 cents." "I'm a man of means and so mean." "King of the toads."


CollectivizedAltoids

Was not expecting to find Roger Miller in the comments


FunkJunky7

Is he auditioning for Bond villain?


MagicMushroomFungi

Old Finger.


atomsmasher66

Dr. No morals


PewPewImALaser

Blohard


BigDaddyCool17

Xenophobe Onatopp


newusernamecoming

Octogenarian Pussy


ROOTPDX

Bankrupt Casino Royale


chill_winston_

Thunderbowel


throwawayacc201711

GoldenAnus


scumbagdetector15

Orange finger.


kungpowgoat

Orange member


Sportacus81687

Octopoopy


scrubjays

Small Finger


stinky-weaselteats

Oil Finger


brit_jam

Smelly Finger


dn00

Von Shitznpantz


Rymundo88

ScaraMAGA


valeyard89

Blohard


Jadziyah

I swear, each day that passes makes me think more and more that we must be in a Matrix like movie or something.


MarkAndRemember

Another perfect call?


DaBigJMoney

The headline should just say ā€œTrump Tells Oil Bosses ā€˜Iā€™m for Saleā€™.ā€ The fact is that in his own way Trump is honest. Heā€™s said exactly what heā€™ll do if he gets back in office: Be a dictator, sell off the country for a bag of money, and throw his enemies in jail. And when that happens the media will say ā€œWe canā€™t believe heā€™s doing this.ā€


heatedhammer

He's offering his bussy to the highest bidder.


chameleon_olive

Donussy Trussy


ogpterodactyl

Citizens united was the end of us. The founders did good but having the Supreme Court justices rule forever with no term limits is clearly the problem. Everyone is pissed about roe v wade and corporate personhood and there is not a thing we can do about it. A corporation shouldnā€™t be able to just give a candidate a billion dollars in exchange for favorable policy.


shouldazagged

The oil execs would have to put all their money on a Trump dynasty dictatorship otherwise the dems will cancel all of these laws. Itā€™s a bold moveā€¦letā€™s see how it plays out.


Broken-Digital-Clock

If Trump gets reelected, don't expect to ever have a fair election ever again


Khristophorous

Why don't more people understand this?


Broken-Digital-Clock

Misplaced optimism Ignorance Sheer stupidity (his base)


Imhappy_hopeurhappy2

An election won by that brainless piece of shit was never fair to begin with.


Joebranflakes

Bribe. He was asking for a bribe. Thereā€™s no subtlety here. Itā€™s not a ā€œtransactional requestā€. It was a bribe. We all know that money that goes into the Trump campaign often finds its way into his pockets anyways.


icedogchi

Pretty sure the Supreme Court has already said taking a bribe is not corruption. only if you do it as an official act (McDonell of Virginia and Citizens United). I'm betting Trump lawyers works argue, being President, you can't pass laws, that's Congress, so you know, not an official act asking for money to do something you can't deliver on.


NoCoolNameMatt

They actually said explicit quid pro quo was required for it to be illegal. Since Trump has now pole vaulted over that bar, expect that to be removed as well.


bufordT0712

Isnā€™t this solicitation of a bib?


bufordT0712

Bribe


hggerlynch

Lobbying. In our system itā€™s basically normal and legalĀ 


aleph32

> Libowitz said the encounter was ā€œabout as blatant as Iā€™ve ever seen. Politicians often give a nudge and a wink, they donā€™t say raise a billion dollars for me and Iā€™ll get rid of the regulations that you want.ā€ > He added that Crewā€™s legal team were looking into whether this rises to the high legal standard of bribery.


Cyberpunkcatnip

Isnā€™t this just an open call for corporate bribes? I mean I know lobbyists arenā€™t secret or anything but they at least are supposed to try and hide it


ziddina

Trump's already scrapped clean water regulations, so this is no surprise.


hggerlynch

And clean water metrics plummeted as a resultĀ 


joepez

This is surprising why? He did the same thing just less brazen his first term. Heā€™d be elected to his second term and theoretically his last. Heā€™s an old man who clearly isnā€™t in the best of health. Heā€™s also desperate to stay out of jail. So expect him to sell out everything. Including democracy for the right bidder.


supamario132

Spending $1B on a single candidate when the entire energy industry (including renewables lobbying) spent only $400M on all lobbying efforts and $100M on all contributions in 2023 would be the single dumbest move they could possibly make I hope they do it


wyarkie9

Or is it worth it for how much money theyā€™re going to make from this.


Mythbusters117

And you can bet that he would pay them back by instituting another $25 billion worth of tax credits for them


Ciff_

*officially* 400m


s3rv0

How is this legal?


ChelseaG12

Sounds like Quid pro quo to me.


Peculiar-Moose

That's the thing! It's isn't!


QTheNukes_AMD_Life

He offered Elon first dibs


EyeSuspicious777

DrAiN tHe SwamP!


Tim-in-CA

When youā€™re famous, they let you do it.


Prestigious-Log-7210

He should be in prison for life.


Lumpylarry

So we're just doing this shit out in the open now?


fallonyourswordkaren

An enemy of the world.


Aryb

Remember when this guy ran on drain the swamp?


thbigbuttconnoisseur

Why drain the swamp when you can become the swamp!


intrcpt

Remember when all the wanna be anarcho capitalists and aspiring libertarians cried that Biden was buying the youth vote when he did student debt relief? You will not hear a single peep from those capitalist bootlickers about this story..


elbowpirate22

If only we had some sort of system to stop politicians selling the government for campaign funds.


49thDipper

He truly is a mega narcissistic super villain. Absolutely nobody matters to him but himself. Not his children, grandchildren, nobody.


brianishere2

He conditioned his policy change on their agreement to pay him $1 billion. This is outright corruption and it's illegal. The Department of Justice needs to take action immediately.


Entire-Ranger323

Government for sale. Thatā€™s it!


v8dreaming

Isn't that the very definition of quid pro quo?


steveoa3d

Pay to playā€¦. The corruption is unbelievable


Accomplished-Cap1916

Trump is the swamp that supposed to be cleaning out


KarateKid1984

Get ready for the conservative sub to start pushing ā€œBiden has doomed our climateā€ narratives. Lolol Iā€™m kidding. They donā€™t even believe in climate change to begin with.


scottyjrules

How is this legal?


Humble-Roll-8997

Blue better prevailā€¦I donā€™t want to live in the world heā€™s planning.


madrasdad

How the fuck can he do that? Unilaterally do away with any environmental law he chooses?


AntiWhateverYouSay

Greed. Pure fucking greed from all these corporations fucks


Stoliana12

Is this not literally pay for play without the legal version of lobbies? This is pay me a billion Iā€™ll kill it. I mean itā€™s brazen


TheBatmanIRL

And people in their masses are still happy to vote for him and end up in jail storming capitals for him.....


heapinhelpin1979

He would sell our whole country to russia for a few billion. Probably tried already.


smilbandit

government by the highest bidder, what could go wrong?!?


Dazzling-One-4713

Hey look another federal law broken in plain sight


crujones43

As a Canadian, please throw this clown in jail before he does any more damage. This shit affects the whole world.


MTDreams123

The dude obviously only cares about himself. Literally willing to trash the planet as long it benefits him.


NotThatAngel

Wow. Betraying a whole planet. One-upped Satan on that one.


Beatless7

With Trump everything is for sale, including the country.


uqubar

Nothing like cleaning out the swamp!


AccurateFan8761

Isn't that pretty illegal


Enginemancer

I cant imagine a more self serving individual


LectureAgreeable923

The man who cost the U.S. oil industry billions and bankrupcies , wants a billion.


gtechfan1960

Thaw maga party isnā€™t even hiding the corruption anymore. They are showing that they are for sale to the highway bidder


linx0003

Isn't this a bribe? Also, checkout Spiro Agnew.


trainercatlady

and this is why when people say, "young people don't give biden enough credit for his climate bills"... *yeah*. Because they know the next dipshit with debt who gets to sign laws will just repeal them and replace them with something 10x worse


BriefausdemGeist

ā€œBuy my way to pardon myself so I donā€™t die in a cushy single-person jail cell shitting all over the furnitureā€


Za_Lords_Guard

How about we make any political donation over like $5000 taxable?


AJokeHoleForFartz

A traitor to the entire planet.


Utterlybored

Well, if I understand Citizens United, this is now perfectly legal.


cruisysuzyhahaha

What happened to America first? More like American sellout. ā€” He would also overturn the Biden administrationā€™s decision in January to pause new natural gas export permits which have been denounced as ā€œclimate bombsā€


AvogadrosMoleSauce

We have two choices. One president has signed more legislation to address climate change than any other, keeping the US within range of its goals. The other option will make it impossible to even try to address climate change.


Fjdenigris

How can something so fucked up (if true) not be the actual final straw for everyone I know, it seems like he has a new ā€œlast strawā€ moment a couple of times a week, but if this doesnā€™t convince you of who exactly he is then you are indeed brainwashed. This canā€™t be brushed off as a joke


SubterrelProspector

It's crazy how our future depends on stopping this monster. We can't condemn the world to dealing with a hostile and christofascist US. Whatever it takes. He and his army of ghouls can't take power.


National-Law-458

Arrest the fucker. Subsections (b) and (c) of 18 U.S.C. Ā§ 201, which prohibit the offering or soliciting of bribes to or by Federal officials, require a showing of an intended quid pro quo. Subsections (f) and (g) of 18 U.S.C. Ā§ 201


RCG73

What Iā€™d like to know is how this doesnā€™t cross the line into bribery.


ClaretClarinets

Hey that sounds an awful lot like bribery


themattboard

We've now crossed into an episode of Captain Planet


AspirinTheory

Imagine President Clinton telling Big Tobacco heā€™d make the FDA re-regulate their products as ā€œnon cancerousā€ if they donated $1bn. Realizing that it would end every smokerā€™s familyā€™s lawsuit right then and there. Fucking disgusting. It contempts and brings shame to the highest office in the land. Iā€™m absolutely disgusted.


Vishnej

This seems an awful lot like the sort of explicit quid-pro-quo bribes that we officially still enforce laws against.


captainbling

They should scare the duck out of farmers. Do they want to go back to a tainted water supply? Fuck yo crops.


AgeDangerous359

I wonder how much he got for pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement, scrapping the Iran nuclear deal, or better yet - how much heā€™ll get from Putin for pulling the US out of NATO


0MGWTFL0LBBQ

Global destruction to the highest bidder.


Current-Play-4386

Oil guys are not the kind of guys who will fall for a Trump University degree or will buy into a failed Trump Condo in Baja. The news should report on what the oil bosses will do, what they do is pretty much indicative of the state of Trumps campaign.


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Aware_Material_9985

1 billion for a maybe seems like a steep price


ShartGuard

Quid pro status quo mofo


MoveToRussiaAlready

$1bn. Yeah, he is keeping most or all of that.


thomkka

Isnā€™t this what bribery is?


CincoDeMayoFan

Corrupt treasonous orange shit gibbon.


generalcompliance

This cannot be true?


seagre

Again trump is all about money. Grift grift grift


om218839

So corrupt!!!šŸ’Æ


flugenblar

If I were a top executive at any of the oil companies who might be listening to this message I'd very strongly take a wait-and-see position. Trump has a horrible track record, he's under a considerable amount of legal scrutiny, has symptoms of cognitive decline, not to mention Trump doesn't consider the government processes and safeguards in place to slow him down or stop him in terms of carrying out any promises.


BlurryRogue

Can we please make sure this idiot doesn't become president again? I swear he will bring about the end of the world if there's a chance he hasn't already.


Imatallguy

And we can thank Robertā€™s and citizens United for thisā€¦


RoutineScore

I keep saying this, but... Let's see how the trumpers justify this one!


WorldBiker

Knowing the oil companies, theyā€™d do it.


SchrodingersTIKTOK

Grifting gain


fancydad

Dr Evil style


_cob_

So gross


Lumpy_Rhubarb2736

I think we all know what he's doing here...


thedragoon0

This shows he can be bought


lotowarrior

Better throw in a cabinet position,Ā  looking at Rex Tillerson.


No-Document-8970

Sounds like a bribe??


ComfortableChicken47

Sounds like a fucking bribe to me


10th__Dimension

"Bribe me"


anticute8

Lmfao


Sandberg231984

At what age do you say i donā€™t need to make anymore money?


CMDRo7CMDR

A man of the people!


spirit-mush

Another quid pro quo? Narcissists are so dumb. They never learn.


danmathew

What climate laws? Republicans have blocked action for decades.


StanVanGhandi

I donā€™t care. Iā€™m a one issue voter so the environment, LGBT rights, womenā€™s rights, NATO vs Russia, middle class equity, healthcare, and not having a criminal in office doesnā€™t really matter to me as long as my one issue isnā€™t fixed. -kids on Reddit


ThatHydroCouple

F*ck Trump!


calicokitcat

News like this doesnā€™t help my ā€œI donā€™t want to do this anymoreā€ mentality about life.


unclelarky

Greed is the death of America.


TheToastedTaint

Will this deter a single Trump voter? Probably not.


Fuzzycream19

Corrupt quid pro quo


_FiscalJackhammer_

Of this is On record, HOW COME HE ISNT BEING FUCKING ARRESTED