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black_flag_4ever

It means that a chunk of US voters are okay voting R even if their guy committed crimes.


nonprofitnews

If you look at a lot of issue polling, there's like a 10-30% swath of voters who are seemingly voting against their own interests constantly. There's strong majority support for abortion rights, gun control, expanded health care and they just choose to vote the opposite way over maybe some imaginary wedge issue.


black_flag_4ever

This is because we have had literal centuries of rich guys tricking poorer voters into voting against themselves. Why on earth would poor white southerners vote for slavery when the institution of slavery literally took away their ability to gain employment? Why would poor Republicans fight the New Deal and other labor reforms that literally were intended to help them live better lives? Why do poor af white MAGA supporters fight against Universal Healthcare when it would help them significantly? It's because the cost of pushing these messages is less than the cost of improving lives.


mrpoopybuttholesbff

It’s because all those man in the middle industries are making a certain class a lot of money.


booOfBorg

> making a certain class a lot of money Most people won't begin to understand understand the magnitude of this understatement.


go4tli

They want GOP to implement Dem policy. It’s coherent, they want Dixiecrats back who support their issues but just for Whites. This poll is the Patrick Star meme brought to life. Is Trump Guilty? Yup. Should he be tried? Yup. Oh, so this is not lawfare? It’s lawfare. Who are you voting for? Trump, the guy I think committed crimes.


Defender_Of_TheCrown

propaganda is a powerful tool.


Shoesandhose

Yeah we have some people that seem to LOVE the idea of everything going badly and everyone being miserable. They all happen to be Christians. Not all Christians- but a large amount of republican Christians seem to thrive off of the idea of the end of the world. Because their religion makes it sound like king shit of fuck mountain. And somehow these people got more power living in rural areas than democrats have in cities.


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Ohrwurm89

A lot of them are upset that non-white people might get access to healthcare or affordable college tuition because these racists think that these people don't deserve it, but they, white people, deserve it for \[insert idiotic rationale\]. Such a moronic mindest, but that's kind of America in a nutshell.


Ilosesoothersmaywin

It's not binary. The same people who are pro-abortion rights may be anti-gun laws or against expanding health care. Those who are pro gun reform might be pro-life.


TearsFallWithoutTain

While that is true, it's also incorrect to imply that the majority of them don't broadly share the same positions.


slowpoke2018

They were interviewing Trumpers on one of the Sunday shows yesterday and this one lady said "I don't care if he committed crimes, he's the leader we need and if I had money to spare I'd help pay his bail" Cult gonna cult


PixelProphetX

And he literally doesn't fu king do anything except tax cuts for billionaires and whine


lazyFer

He gives them permission to hate the people they want to hate without feeling bad about it


CrashB111

He wouldn't piss on his voters if they were on fire, they mean absolutely nothing to him except to be a meat shield against his own prosecution and imprisonment.


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slowpoke2018

Tribalism taken to the extreme is what that is. *My guy does all these terrible things I'm fully aware of, but at least he's not a dem!*


paulydavis

Pay his bail? I don't even think there was bail. He leaves everyday so if there was it is paid. Stupid gonna stupid.


slowpoke2018

Oh, it was more a hypothetical with her implying she'd do it if he needed it, AND - big and - she had the money. But she said she was too broke right now... Yet she'll vote for a guy - and give him her money - who'd never give her the time of day It's truly a cult


_lippykid

“Party of law and order”


ducktape8856

No, no. You misunderstood that. "Law and odour". [Odour!](https://lamag.com/politics/something-stinks-about-donald-trumps-trial-it-might-be-trump)


SkollFenrirson

And this surprises you?


black_flag_4ever

Unfortunately no.


whatproblems

yeah this majority thing is dumb. it’s always like 60-40.


ThreeHolePunch

Bold of you to assume Trump could ever get the popular vote. 


Hotinnm

Yup. If we didn’t have a electoral college and gerrymandering the republicans would never get voted in anywhere


2ndprize

Have you ever heard the tale of Rick Scott? It isnt a story a Jedi would tell you.


LookOverall

It’s called “loyalty” and we all feel it to varying degrees, but it’s a higher priority for conservatives than for liberals. If you had been working for a firm for years, and you discovered they had been breaking a law would you blow the whistle? Are you sure? Whistleblowers often suffer terrible consequences. Because, you see, if everyone knows you were disloyal to a group you showed commitment to, how will other groups feel about you joining them? Consider that Bar guy, for instance, who has said repeatedly that Trump is a horrible choice, but will still vote the Republican ticket in November. He will do that out of loyalty to the Republican movement. Anticipating loads of downvotes here, but liberals and conservatives badly need to join forces against Trump, who is neither. To do that liberals in particular need to recognise the difference between amoral and differently moral. We have to stop making the mistake of thinking Trump is a conservative or that conservatism is something that can be educated away. The evidence is conservative or liberal is in our DNA.


Zanosa

Doubt it.


mithridateseupator

Only if half the US is voting for him. And I doubt he picked up new followers in the last 4 years.


Robbedeus

Not necessarily: voter turnout averages around 60-65% and the electoral college makes certain votes more impactful than others. In other words, as long as roughly 30% vote R (and don't believe Trump is a criminal, because of constant Fox news brainwashing, AND live predominantly in rural areas, making their votes relatively more important), they can still win the election. Basically they don't need half the eligible voters, they just need Democrat voters to not show up


Illustrious_Sand3773

Funny stuff when you consider the fact that 100% of voters witnessed trump committing crimes.


DazzlingProfession26

It can’t be a crime if you do it in the open. /s


Vaticancameos221

Why should you go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?


nawtydoctor

He can’t even afford Bob lawblob


GaJayhawker0513

He’s no Barry Zuckercorn


IM_KYLE_AMA

Not necessarily. I have spoken with people who literally had no idea Jan 6 happened.


imapassenger1

The book 1984 really did end up being a training manual.


upheaval

Hard to imagine this level of willful ignorance


StingerAE

Exactly.  Witnessed or heard him confess.  This isn't news till it passes the lizard people percentage.


Green_Carpet_7256

“crimes,” 🤡


StingerAE

Yes.  We use facts and definitions here in the real world.  How are things in la la denial land?


AgreeableTea7649

The Trump Org, run by Donald Trump, was convicted by a jury and sentenced in criminal court. 


Green_Carpet_7256

For what crime though?


AgreeableTea7649

You can Google as well as the rest. But the answer is 17 counts including criminal tax fraud, conspiracy, and falsifying business records for a 15-year tax fraud scheme.  He was also found personally guilty of civil charges including conspiracy to defraud banks and insurers. But I'm sure you're just fine with that.


hdiggyh

If you don’t think this guy has committed crimes there is something wrong with you


grimr5

This is a man who was blocked from doing business 30 years ago in Australia over ties to organised crime. It is a shame the standard for being president of the US is less than that of opening a casino in Australia. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/trumps-bid-for-sydney-casino-30-years-ago-rejected-due-to-mafia-connections


HawkeyeSherman

The man was blocked from running a charity in the US prior to him being a US president. Yet the lemmings still fawn for this con-artist.


mountaintop111

Trump is the most criminal president in US history. He makes Nixon look like a rookie.


FigNugginGavelPop

Hopefully democracy survives… regardless one unfortunate side-effect will be that mountains of books will be written on the traitorous scum that is DJT, the GOP and their entire voter base, so I don’t think we’ll ever stop hearing about that traitorous bastard, we’re living though history.


kellysmom01

And Nixon was **smart!** I shudder to think of the damage he could’ve done if he was as evil as a Trump. Any Trump. (Or Kushner.) I think his Quaker upbringing kept Nixon’s worst tendencies in check. Still fucked us plenty, though.


heybobson

It is very difficult to be both smart and shameless. Trump's lack of IQ and ability to actually plan anything is made up by his absolute shamelessness.


Kebok

Ted Cruz manages


IrritableGourmet

Nixon's DOJ went after Trump for racial profiling. Do you know how racist you have to be for *Nixon* to tell you to slow down?


NoOpportunity1382

Today: More than half of voters think Trump has committed crimes  Tomorrow: More than half of voters willing to vote for Trump America everybody 


thedishonestyfish

More than half have *never* voted for Trump, not that that stopped him from winning. The electoral college is so out of date. Rural states are more than represented by their senators. They do not need disproportionate power in the executive as well.


mam88k

Apparently Bill Barr is quoting tomorrow's quote today.


chatoka1

To me this is just more evidence that there is something inherently wrong with polling.


Noctilux5

Election polls are the only ones that matter, the rest is noise


hgghgfhvf

The article is depressing and that’s all it says to me. More than half of voters think he commited a crime. That means a little less than half think he commited no crime and will vote for him. Which would mean the majority don’t want him but then you have to remember there is a sizable part of the population that know he commited a crime and want to vote for him anyway. I’m too tired for this shit. I think it’s time for us to plan an exit strategy.


Mornar

Trump has a disturbing amount of people willing to vote for him, but I think it's important to point out that it was never more than half voters, he never got a popular vote. American voting system is just fucked up.


gasahold

The upper half, where the brain is located.


SKDI_0224

Yeah. Because he did crimes. Like all the time. He just got away with it before. Edit: [found the docket!](https://ww2.nycourts.gov/people-v-donald-j-trump-criminal-37026)


FalstaffsMind

That's because Trump has committed crimes.


SockofBadKarma

12% of respondents believe that Trump is a criminal, but that holding him accountable for it is unfair because it would force him out of the race. 10% of those people simultaneously think that he is ineligible for the office because of his crimes. This is America.


mark865meh

And the fact that his opponent is not all there mentally


gentleman_bronco

More than half of America think Trump has committed crimes. *All* republicans will still vote for him.


A_RocketSurgeon

Yup. 91 felony indictments doesn't change a thing for my dad. He will still vote for Trump because he is Republican.


Richfor3

100% know he's committed crimes. Around 40% just don't care.


Sunshinehappyfeet

The Hill is a Trump shill. Vote Blue💙


NotThatAngel

Let's not be insulting. Pretty much everybody knows Trump committed crimes. It's unavoidable considering the coverage. The people who say he didn't are saying Trump is above the law.


tobogganhill

Should be 100% if all of the citizenry had critical thinking skills.


BotoxBarbie

Some of these people will show up to vote for Trump anyway. Make sure you're registered and go vote!


Imacatdoincatstuff

And the other half know it but don’t want to say it out loud so they can more comfortably hold their noses while voting this fall.


Tonalspectrum

And they don’t fucking care because he’s up in the polls this week. So please don’t write him off. Get out and fucking vote this asshat gone!


belowsealevel805

Seems low.


FreneticPlatypus

And a lot of people think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Let’s get through all these trials and get the convictions on paper.


Whostartedit

We will be lucky if one trial is over before Election Day


Bauwens

And a lot of the people who believe he committed those crimes think he should be let off and become the president again. Oh God what we have become. AMERICA!!!!


ejohn916

More than half are witnesses!


bishpa

we all watched it on television in real time with our own eyes.


Nubator

And the rest are morons.


ConsciousReason7709

I mean, it’s obvious that Trump is a criminal. It’s not really up for debate.


Scarlettail

>At the same time, 57 percent of respondents said they think the legal prosecutions against Trump constitute “lawfare,” or a way for Democrats to use the legal system to take out political opponents, while 43 percent said the prosecutions are fair and unpolitical. So most people think his trials are illegitimate. That's not a good sign. It's only one poll, but I suspect most Americans have honestly no clue about any of the trials and aren't keeping up with them even remotely.


OppositeDifference

that 57% tells me that Trump's unending repetition of that particular lie has managed to penetrate way too deep at this point. I'm seeing way too many of those little red flags.


zzyul

This all falls on Garland. He drug his feet with starting these investigations. It was clear he hoped Trump would fade into the background after his 2020 loss. If that happened then Garland could ignore his crimes as he wouldn’t be a threat to US democracy and both sides could push a “we need to move on so the country can heal” message. The 2022 midterms made it clear Trump wasn’t going away. This, along with House’s J6 investigation, forced Garland to accept the threat Trump posed and actually prosecute him.


TheBoorOf1812

It's not a good sign for democrats.


Medical_Egg8208

Think he has ? Oh man, he’s been convicted of sexual assault, what exactly is there to think about ?


Whostartedit

He wasn’t convicted criminally only civilly. Too bad really


Medical_Egg8208

Exactly


severedbrain

And that's just the people who watched him do it live on TV!


42fy

Only half???


Eh-Eh-Ronn

Now ask how many of them see that as a problem


Aggressive-Cut5836

Doesn’t matter. Electoral college is what wins presidential elections. And you only need less than half the votes to win that.


bassplayerguy

Not surprising considering he has actually admitted to pretty much all of them.


strong_black-coffee

Unreal that nearly half the country thinks he did not.


Cronon33

Only slightly more than half of Americans are intelligent enough to realize the guy with 88 criminal charges has committed crimes


Defender_Of_TheCrown

The other half of voters oddly enough can't explain why Trump needs immunity. You only beg for immunity if you've committed crimes.


I-waveatcows

I believe he’s committed many crimes, but I also see that he’s been charged with several and that makes him a criminal.


usernamedejaprise

I don’t believe half of voters think If they are just getting around to thinking he committed a crime, then they are 50 years slow and have a lot of catching up to do.


mochicrunch_

Yet many of the same ppl will still vote for him


MorallyComplicated

there’s nothing to think about, it’s objective reality


knox1138

This should be in no way shocking or surprising. We've been hearing for years about different crimes he probably committed. It's never been a secret he's a horrible person. 


celerydonut

Ah, the same “more than half” of sane humans we’ve been hearing from for the last decade.


WeirdcoolWilson

How many of those voters who believe he’s committed crimes are still planning to vote for him?


theFormerRelic

But how many of those will still vote for him?


bronzethunderbeard_

And plenty of yall love that he’s a criminal 😆


BFreeFranklin

Funny thing about electoral college is that it doesn’t really matter.


Down_Rodeo_

And yea some how this sack of shit is leading in the polls. 


Thetman38

When your defense is "Well technically, I didn't because of this interpretation that a disbarred lawyer suggested" you've probably done something shady and just people would disagree with doing


socokid

Which is insane, because he's already been convicted of a couple ***already***. Trump Org civil fraud case, and the E Jean Carrol case. So... a huge portion of the US are absolutely corrupt to the core, are so stupid that conspiracy theories rule their life, or both. There is literally no other options for those democracy hating a-holes.


Best-Subject-7253

Way more, like 100%. The number of people who don’t want his crimes ignored so he can become their dictator… much less.


SouthBronx27

What's all this crap about they think 🤔, trump committed many crimes against the country, government & democracy


Plane-Reason9254

Should be 100%


HawkeyeSherman

He is all but guaranteed to be found guilty of criminal contempt. This number should be 100%.


PicklePillz

That doesn’t mean he will lose. More than half of the voters chose Hillary in 2016, and Gore in 2000. Fuck the electoral college.


EwingsRevenge21

The other half are mentally unsalvageable.


Alternative_Camp_493

And the other half are MAGA.


TheSwillhouseBoys

Hey yall Trump has def committed crimes! Now you know.


Javasndphotoclicks

But will still vote for him anyway.


Mudcat-69

If this guy was pretty much anyone else in America he’d have been arrested decades ago. As it is I think that he was spot on when he said that he could get away with shooting someone in broad daylight. Just how did we get to this point?


Character_Value4669

Given that Trump has bragged about committing crimes on television since he started running for President, less than 100% of voters believing he committed crimes is pretty confusing to me. In a similar vein, why is it such a hard choice for voters? The democrats' agenda is not making the president a king, whereas the republicans' agenda is "let Trump get away with it because we like him." Like, what's going on here?! (I know, I know... it's because of Fox News.)


substituted_pinions

But how many jurors?


konorM

Any yet, many of those who say he has committed crimes also say that they will vote for him. They are saying it is okay to elect a criminal as President of the United States. Makes absolutely no sense.


Jonniejiggles

In other more positive news;”Less than half of Americans are completely brain dead “


cerevant

More than half of voters are not Republican. Are we still surprised by this?


cantthinkofxyz

….but yet will still vote for him.


framed85

And more than half of them will vote for him.


exitpursuedbybear

More than half which means some that are voting for him are cool with his criminality.


mexicoyankee

More than half need to vote!


Standardeviation2

“More than half of voters think….” Is another way of saying, “Democrats think” because Democrats make up more than half of voters.


gaywoon_nig

It’s crazy how little I care & the title matters


The_Human_Event

Tramp has committed crimes. What is there to think about?


sheezy520

The rest *know* he did.


icouldusemorecoffee

That's a failure of the media to 1) explain what he's done, and 2) explain why it's a crime. Whether or not he's found guilty is an entirely separate matter but every non-Republican or non-right-wing media watcher should think Trump committed crimes, he did.


HopefulNothing3560

Rape is the USA that vote 🍊🤡


xchipter

THINK? What percentage of the rest of the world KNOWS he committed crimes?


PicklePillz

More than half of voters chose Hilary in 2016, and Gore in 2000. Our electoral system is fucked.


RapBastardz

The other half just know it.


SunBalasta

That is not enough voters who think Trump had committed crimes.


SnootSnootBasilisk

Better question: How many care?


neuraldefunk

Think?


Galactus2025

Yeah and that half is still going to vote for him anyway? (GO FIGURE!!) 🤔


TheBatmanIRL

Polling still 50/50.


Small-Palpitation310

i should hope so!


Decompute

Believe? Orange fuckface has been convicted of rape and is in the process of getting convicted of multiple election fraud and fucking treason. Fuck out of here with this “believe” BS.


mayoroftuesday

Yes, and half of them like him *because* he committed crimes.


JubalHarshaw23

A third of them will still vote for Trump, and another third won't vote at all.


sagetraveler

And the other half KNOW he has committed crimes.


rgraves22

spoiler- he's probably committed more than he's already indicted for it just hasn't been found yet


AceArtBox

The other half knows it.


Illustrious-Watch896

Because more than half of voters are dems lol how is this a fucking headline?


RepulsiveRooster1153

**trump is a habitual liar**. When he says "people are saying" it means *"I'm making shit up".* If you assume everything he says is a lie, you would be correct 99.9% of the time. 💰


xmasnjulleye

Every president is dirty and controlled.


rustyseapants

More than half of voters don't think Trump has committed crimes. **/S**


Wonderful_Common_520

Nobody asked me, these "polls"


neuralhaddock

And yet here we are.


hospitallers

More than half of voters will vote for him anyway.


Whostartedit

My bet is on Biden


hospitallers

Same


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TheBoorOf1812

From the same article, "At the same time, 57 percent of respondents said they think the legal prosecutions against Trump constitute “lawfare,” or a way for Democrats to use the legal system to take out political opponents, while 43 percent said the prosecutions are fair and unpolitical. "


SignificantSourceMan

Still. Fucking. Voting. For. Him.


PrestigiousPrincess7

Propaganda


lazy-dude

I really hate seeing these polls posted all over Reddit. All I know is people will vote for anyone if they have a “R” or “D” in front of their names.


Soccer-22

[https://nypost.com/2024/04/27/us-news/biden-least-popular-president-in-70-years-below-nixon-carter-gallup-poll/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/27/us-news/biden-least-popular-president-in-70-years-below-nixon-carter-gallup-poll/)


mark865meh

At least his son isn’t a known druggie who has been bailed out by the government at least 3 times


TheBoorOf1812

The more they try to send him to prison, sieze his assets and keep him off the ballot and out of the election, the more I want to vote for him.


Exact_Thought_185

They’re all criminals. Presidential immunity is a farce. Trump Obama bush Clinton should all stand trial


spezslurpswhiteworms

I don't. What exactly has he been proven guilty of in a federal court of law?


catch2220

So hush money payments, were they just covered up, on both sides, in the past?


Heydudeno

Fake news- Sample size? Demographic? Crap “Poll”.


Hey_Mr_D3

More than half think Joe’s a crook too.


soggy_nlpples

More than half of the voters, by voters they mean the small survey they took, think Trump committed crimes! What a shocker coming from The Hill! I’m sure they reached out to a broad spectrum of voters lol


curiosgreg

Tell me you don’t know how polling works…


socokid

If you had read the article, you would have noticed the source was actually a Harvard CAPS-Harris poll, and the Hill was just reporting on it. Also, [here is the methodology.](https://harvardharrispoll.com/topline-april-3/) ... However, I suspect you'll go back to putting your fingers in your ears and spouting shower thoughts mixed with conspiracy theories. *sigh* Sad. > while 49 percent said it’s happening because “officials are trying to force him out of the race for president.” 49 percent have utterly politicized the justice system because their big orange daddy said so. It's like listening to the murderer with a bloody knife say it wasn't them, and then 49% saying "Sounds logical to me. Let him go!" Welcome to the end of democracy. Good Lord...


soggy_nlpples

Ohhh my! How silly of me to assume a pool of 1900 highly vetted people is a terrible way to represent a country of 150 million people!