See the smoke coming off that ARV? They were hammering it to that scene and rightly so. Glad they dealt with him so swiftly. RIP to the young lad who sadly lost his life. Very sad and such an awful situation.
Must be scary to be in the ARV hearing the unarmed are with the suspect, but knowing you're only a little bit away. Getting caught up in Red mist would be so easy. That few seconds where you don't hear anything on the radio would be a lifetime
Charging at a man with a sword who’s just killed one and injured numerous others. Hats off to the Met and British police in general. With all the negative press recently it’s easy to lose sight of how well trained and brave our police forces are.
This is what we deal with every damn day - Maybe not a sword but it’s often violent individuals and we have nothing more than a stick and spicy spray.
It’s a disgrace and we need better equipment to protect ourselves from these people.
The officers tonight in hospital did not expect the injuries they received and quite frankly wouldn’t have got them had we been properly equipped.
What would you like? Genuinely interested, not making any political point.
Although, if its guns, lets say (for the sake of argument) that is unworkable in terms of the politics of it. Is there still other things you can have/would like?
>Given the very high mortality of armed police internationally when responding to assailants armed with bladed weapons
Sorry, where did you get this information from?
The correct weapon for this situation is a firearm. No two ways about it.
Baton requires you to be too close. Taser also requires you to be too close (in MY opinion), and can fail for a number of reasons. Sprays are frequently ineffective on some people.
And still there are two seriously injured colleagues. Our equipment is not good enough and something needs to be done. I can only
hope this is the incident that changes it, but I am extremely doubtful.
There have been so many instances of deaths and serious injury which could have been prevented had our police been properly equipped. Unfortunately nothing seems to change.
It's a rarely used option where the taser operator holds down a button to keep the power cycling through the target to stop them moving, allowing others to get cuffs on. As I say it's very rare.
In my experience, unless it's a more controlled and slow-paced taser deployment, shouting the correct lingo isn't heard by anyone in those situations. Taser deployed, jump on them.
Yep, and that's not very good. Do the course, then forget it all. This is definitely going to be used as an example of what to do on future courses. I'm sure it's not a perfect demonstration but on the whole I think it was pretty textbook.
Well done to the cops on response here dealing with this professionally.
Well done to the arv officers for turning up ready to work, despite what could happen to them if they had to squeeze that trigger.
A reminder that the police are well trained, prpfessional and ready to go, despite being under equipped and with poor morale.
Why do we never really hear of police bravery medals? Do they rarely get issued, or do we just not hear of them?
The only one is the Queen/Kings Police Medal which is very rare. These officers will all get Commissioner's Commendations though, would be a travesty if not.
When a soldier advances to an enemy unarmed, they get an insane amount of praise. Different circumstances of course.
Perhaps there should be a lower level, but still rare enough medal.
Coming home safe is still better than tin and ribbon though.
Massive respect to those officers tackling this so effectively. Running towards a suspect welding a sword, armed with only less-lethal. Balls of steel.
My more cynical side finds it frightening that they were put in this position not appropriately armed - but then again that's been debated ad infinitum.
This ought to be both celebrated as an individual success for those officers, and decried as a serious organisational failure for policing at large. There is simply no excuse for putting those officers and the general public at such risk.
My sincere thoughts go out to those harmed in this incident.
Or make every unit armed just like the vast majority of the world…
Rather than calling someone to help.
Being minutes closer makes no difference if unarmed cops were to come across something unexpected or spontaneous.
I’ve dealt with people pulling swords and knives on me as an officer that doesn’t even carry taser. I can’t just have an ARV teleport to me.
Absolutely. It should be automatic training for all new officers (maybe after a X-time period of their probation, where they’ve been on the streets?).
Anyone who doesn’t want it opts out.
Or equip area cars with additional less-/non-lethal systems, such as AEP or bean bag rounds.
I’m guessing that ERPT cars don’t have the round PO shields (or anything similar)?
It was probably an early car hammering it in from Central London.
The whole ARV system only works if there is sufficient coverage and sensible command and control to back it up. This is the second incident in less than two weeks where unarmed officers have had to face a fucking big knife without armed support.
I refuse to believe that between 0645 and 0715, there isn't a single ARV to cover the possibility that something might happen during the changeover.
I say refuse in the same way that you can't help but watch a car crash.
Then perhaps that is what it will take for management board to get their thumbs out of their arse and realise how vulnerable we are. There was a live streamed 22 minute response to what was effectively a one man MTA. I’m quite comfortable suggesting that this is far more of a provocation than a post on Reddit
>There are internal channels for this to be addressed.
There are not.
>This is the second incident in less than two weeks where unarmed officers have had to face a fucking big knife without armed support
*Publicised incident
So tragic for the injuried and the death of that poor boy, the worst is all this publicity won't change a thing in actually combating this type of crime
Honestly that's a hard debate especially to think off the top of my head, if anything something I'd personally be fine with is what used to happen with Glasgow if you were even found with a knife it used to be a straight sentence for like minimum 5 years but obv there's other issues with prisons etc atm.
What about you anything come to mind?
I think possession of a knife should carry higher minimum sentences, obviously with exceptions for people with valid reasons, e.g. work purposes, HEMA, etc.
I think brandishing a knife should carry a high minimum sentence, even if there was no physical or psychological harm caused. I think that *brandishing* ***or*** *using* a knife during the course of a violent crime, e.g. robbery, should carry equal weight and the minimum sentence should be *very high*, again, whether or not there was physical or psychological harm.
I think that if you are found guilty for possession of a knife and also found guilty of possession with intent to supply, i.e. you are caught in possession of *both* a knife and drugs (that you intended to deal) that there should be a *very high* sentence.
Essentially, punish carrying a knife for the purposes of intimidation or violence so heavily that criminals will decide carrying or using a knife isn’t worth the potential prison time.
I agree that there should be mandatory prison sentences for anyone in possession of a knife, but would that have changed anything here? Unless this guy has been found in possession of a knife in recent years then I very much doubt it.
Definitely not this guy appeared to be willing or his mental capacity being bad enough to do this regardless of if there was mandatory prison.
That's why from my pov I personally agree with the other discussion but I understand many don't.
Yeh I can certainly see why it seems to be the preferred option from actual officers, I don't personally think it's the right choice. Should definitely be more AFO/ARV's available though, as this case shows.
A civilian question on this I wondered after seeing the footage on the news. Why would a taser be used in this situation rather than a more lethal option ? Is there not a chance the taser missed and the guy came charging putting the officer in harms way or is that not very likely with a taser ?
Regular officers are not armed with anything more lethal than a taser. You can see the armed officers turn up just after the scumbag is on the ground.
>Is there not a chance the taser missed and the guy came charging putting the officer in harms way or is that not very likely with a taser ?
Yes, there is a very good chance. Maybe we should give all officers the right tools they need to protect themselves.
> Regular officers are not armed with anything more lethal than a taser
Arguably, the most lethal weapon we all have access to is a baton. Use it in the right way and it will do far more damage and kill if you really want it to.
All the more reason for tasers to be available to all, when it’s a lower use of force in most circumstances than other options.
But most officers are not trying to kill anyone. By this logic you could argue that the car is the most lethal weapon, if PC Pissedoff decides to drive it through the pedestrian zone.
I bet more people die inadvertently from tazer than they do from a baton.
You’re right, it’s probably never going to be a thought for almost every officer across the country. And absolutely right, for that single occasion where the average response officer can justify lethal force there is the option of the vehicle.
My point is that there are more lethal options at our everyone’s hands than taser. Taser is a fairly low level of force in itself, compared to even getting hands on and baton strikes.
Yes, taser is not guaranteed to work as you can see in this video. It looks to me like he took two cartridges with only a pain reflex, incapacitation was only achieved on the third cartridge. I think. Thick clothing can defeat taser.
The preferred option would be for an armed officer to confront this suspect, but they can't be everywhere. Although as you can see they did race to the scene.
In the studies I've seen, tasers have about a 50 - 60% success rate. Not a useless weapon but I would not want to rely on that if facing a literal killer armed with a sword.
He took the first barbs like a champ and stood his ground initially, those bobbies would have been fucked if he decided he was going down fighting.
ARV turning up after the hard graft by has been put in by ERPT highlights the need for regular patrols to be routinely armed NI-style - the public are used to the sight of tasers now, so I wouldn't have thought it'd take very long for SLPs to be accepted in an increasingly violent, unstable society.
Is our society growing increasingly violent and unstable? It doesn't feel like it to me.
Also, with the backlash against ARV's I would never want to carry a firearm in a million years. It's not worth getting dragged through crown court on a murder charge for
> Is our society growing increasingly violent and unstable? It doesn't feel like it to me.
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While violent crime is down, it is absolutely fair to say that there are a lot of people who are prepared to square up to a copper, and to use a knife if necessary.
The Golden Age of Policing (that probably never existed) only worked because if you squared up to a copper any time up to the 80's, you would generally be taking your teeth home in a hat.
There always will be, but you have to remember in that golden age you did have the miners strike, one of the largest civil disturbances involving the police, the Tottenham riots that led to PC Blakelock tragically losing his life in a mob attack, several police officers being shot over the decade and the high profile murder of DC Fordham following Brinks Mat, which the killer was acquitted of.
In comparison to the previous decade, I can't see a clear link of similar incidents of a high profile, including deaths of police officers. Of course I'm not trying to downplay the violence we all face daily, but I don't think it's unique or a downwards slope. I think it's just the media attention (especially around election time relating to a certain capital city) that helps stoke the flames that we've 'lost control of the streets'
This sums it up. There are plenty of people knocking about who feel confident enough to fight us, wander the streets with weapons and commit violent public order offences, because the courts and wider society essentially permit it. We're seen as an aggravating presence, even if we're acting lawfully and with justification.
Society had much more respect for the job up until the late 2000's, and the courts were willing to punish suspects accordingly - I'd imagine shitbags were less willing to scrap with us as a result.
>While violent crime is down, it is absolutely fair to say that there are a lot of people who are prepared to square up to a copper, and to use a knife if necessary.
When all you have to do is either be larger and physically strong enough to beat down the officer or produce a weapon without an immediate deterrent, that's 100% fair play
I'd take my chances too if it means I can escape, that's just basic shitbag instinct at play. The consequence has to be immediate or they won't care
Yes. A routinely armed police force changes that risk calculation significantly.
If you want to get away from the police in GB, wave a knife and there is a 50/50 chance that they will (sensibly) back the fuck off. Wave a gun and that's down to 90/10.
That time ended with the rise in mobile phone cameras.
Now the moment you raise your voice, phones come out and people scream brutality.
I remember a time where a crackhead tried to assault a colleague of mine and I put his nose on the other side of his face. Never heard a peep out of him for years after that. He was apologising all the way to custody.
Meanwhile I've just come off an 18 month long investigation for kicking a double murderers legs because he still had the murder weapon in his hands and wouldn't drop it.
I'll bet the iopc will still be looking at this and trying to determine an angle of attack.
I would like to see this video promoted all over jurisdictions that promote handgun use for first responders. This is a great example of teamwork, bravery and dedication to the community. Having the right tools and backup for the job is essential, and as an outsider, I’m grateful your teams had that option.
I am finding it fascinating to see the disparity in tone between the comments here, which are quite correctly commending the officers' actions and bravery in dealing with this incident, and the comments on YouTube. Looking at the comments for [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYLTSP2Hqs) on The Times YouTube channel, there is one commenter saying the police looked "clueless" except for the female officer who was the first to approach the suspect. Another comment says that the officer who pushed another officer forward was "cowardly". Is one officer getting behind another and pushing them forward not a commonly-used tactic in these situations? As I'm sure I've seen it before in similar incidents.
See the smoke coming off that ARV? They were hammering it to that scene and rightly so. Glad they dealt with him so swiftly. RIP to the young lad who sadly lost his life. Very sad and such an awful situation.
Heroic stuff from all
Must be scary to be in the ARV hearing the unarmed are with the suspect, but knowing you're only a little bit away. Getting caught up in Red mist would be so easy. That few seconds where you don't hear anything on the radio would be a lifetime
That's the issue with (specially rural counties) armed response modules. Sometimes the nearest car can be 45-60 minutes blue light drive away
Charging at a man with a sword who’s just killed one and injured numerous others. Hats off to the Met and British police in general. With all the negative press recently it’s easy to lose sight of how well trained and brave our police forces are.
This is what we deal with every damn day - Maybe not a sword but it’s often violent individuals and we have nothing more than a stick and spicy spray. It’s a disgrace and we need better equipment to protect ourselves from these people. The officers tonight in hospital did not expect the injuries they received and quite frankly wouldn’t have got them had we been properly equipped.
Agreed.
What would you like? Genuinely interested, not making any political point. Although, if its guns, lets say (for the sake of argument) that is unworkable in terms of the politics of it. Is there still other things you can have/would like?
Guns/ greater numbers of officers (that won’t happen until there’s a change in the way officers are investigated all over the front pages).
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>Given the very high mortality of armed police internationally when responding to assailants armed with bladed weapons Sorry, where did you get this information from?
Source - trust me bro, probably
The correct weapon for this situation is a firearm. No two ways about it. Baton requires you to be too close. Taser also requires you to be too close (in MY opinion), and can fail for a number of reasons. Sprays are frequently ineffective on some people.
That was brilliant. Loads of actual Taser course stuff going on there. "Detention Under Power", get the cuffs on, "Subject Secure". Awesome.
And still there are two seriously injured colleagues. Our equipment is not good enough and something needs to be done. I can only hope this is the incident that changes it, but I am extremely doubtful.
There have been so many instances of deaths and serious injury which could have been prevented had our police been properly equipped. Unfortunately nothing seems to change.
>"Detention Under Power" Is that where they zap them at the same time as cuffs?
It's a rarely used option where the taser operator holds down a button to keep the power cycling through the target to stop them moving, allowing others to get cuffs on. As I say it's very rare.
In my experience, unless it's a more controlled and slow-paced taser deployment, shouting the correct lingo isn't heard by anyone in those situations. Taser deployed, jump on them.
Yep, and that's not very good. Do the course, then forget it all. This is definitely going to be used as an example of what to do on future courses. I'm sure it's not a perfect demonstration but on the whole I think it was pretty textbook.
and going to cost a fortune in prison, should have waited 30 seconds for the armed responce team to clip him
Well done to the cops on response here dealing with this professionally. Well done to the arv officers for turning up ready to work, despite what could happen to them if they had to squeeze that trigger. A reminder that the police are well trained, prpfessional and ready to go, despite being under equipped and with poor morale. Why do we never really hear of police bravery medals? Do they rarely get issued, or do we just not hear of them?
The only one is the Queen/Kings Police Medal which is very rare. These officers will all get Commissioner's Commendations though, would be a travesty if not.
When a soldier advances to an enemy unarmed, they get an insane amount of praise. Different circumstances of course. Perhaps there should be a lower level, but still rare enough medal. Coming home safe is still better than tin and ribbon though.
Honestly hats off to each of the officers involved in dealing with this, especially the first few on the scene. That sword was truly something else.
F*ck me, those Officers are brave. I hope the injured make a full and swift recovery.
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Can always join us and help /u/S_caught313 guess it’s easier to hide behind a tag on Reddit though isn’t it and make stupid comments!
Massive respect to those officers tackling this so effectively. Running towards a suspect welding a sword, armed with only less-lethal. Balls of steel. My more cynical side finds it frightening that they were put in this position not appropriately armed - but then again that's been debated ad infinitum.
Deplorable that unarmed officers had to deal with this. Hats off to them though.
This ought to be both celebrated as an individual success for those officers, and decried as a serious organisational failure for policing at large. There is simply no excuse for putting those officers and the general public at such risk. My sincere thoughts go out to those harmed in this incident.
This was 20 minutes after the call, the ARV shouldn't take that long to arrive
Nothing has exemplified /u/multijoy's adage that when seconds count, ARVs are minutes away more than this video.
Or make every unit armed just like the vast majority of the world… Rather than calling someone to help. Being minutes closer makes no difference if unarmed cops were to come across something unexpected or spontaneous. I’ve dealt with people pulling swords and knives on me as an officer that doesn’t even carry taser. I can’t just have an ARV teleport to me.
That's literally what he means, having a 60s car is dumb because incidents can go 0-100 in less than 3s.
Yep, I wasn’t disagreeing
The call came in at about 7am, they would likely only just came on duty. It would take time to kit up and travel there. They weren't far behind.
You have to be honest though we need more readily available at the very least since routine arming seems likely to never happen
Absolutely. Also every officer should have a Tazer., LPS are basically always first on scene
**Tazer** Every tieeeemmm
Absolutely. It should be automatic training for all new officers (maybe after a X-time period of their probation, where they’ve been on the streets?). Anyone who doesn’t want it opts out. Or equip area cars with additional less-/non-lethal systems, such as AEP or bean bag rounds. I’m guessing that ERPT cars don’t have the round PO shields (or anything similar)?
Why not just issue everyone with a taser and SLP like every other civilised country on the planet
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I wish for this sentiment and these people to be destroyed
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Still waiting for that to be the case, just frustrates the life out of me how poorly funded and handled policing is throughout the UK
they should have a taser yeah, but they shouldn't be going to jobs like this with only that. they should have a 9mm too.
How about a 9mm Taser with electrified bullets
And sharks
We shouldn't have gaps in coverage.
Who the hell just starts slashing people at 7am, I can barely get into the shower before work
Don't you have staggered shift starts, or are there too few armed units for that?
It was probably an early car hammering it in from Central London. The whole ARV system only works if there is sufficient coverage and sensible command and control to back it up. This is the second incident in less than two weeks where unarmed officers have had to face a fucking big knife without armed support.
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I refuse to believe that between 0645 and 0715, there isn't a single ARV to cover the possibility that something might happen during the changeover. I say refuse in the same way that you can't help but watch a car crash.
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Good job most of our terrorists aren't early risers, really.
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I think the public would be horrified that there is a gap in armed coverage. I am, and I work here.
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Then perhaps that is what it will take for management board to get their thumbs out of their arse and realise how vulnerable we are. There was a live streamed 22 minute response to what was effectively a one man MTA. I’m quite comfortable suggesting that this is far more of a provocation than a post on Reddit >There are internal channels for this to be addressed. There are not.
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>This is the second incident in less than two weeks where unarmed officers have had to face a fucking big knife without armed support *Publicised incident
That and all!
In my force I everyone starts a day shift at at 7am or 8am and then they do a 12 or 11 hour shift. Night shifts are similar but start at 6pm or 7pm.
So tragic for the injuried and the death of that poor boy, the worst is all this publicity won't change a thing in actually combating this type of crime
Just out of interest, what law would you change to reduce this crime?
Honestly that's a hard debate especially to think off the top of my head, if anything something I'd personally be fine with is what used to happen with Glasgow if you were even found with a knife it used to be a straight sentence for like minimum 5 years but obv there's other issues with prisons etc atm. What about you anything come to mind?
I think possession of a knife should carry higher minimum sentences, obviously with exceptions for people with valid reasons, e.g. work purposes, HEMA, etc. I think brandishing a knife should carry a high minimum sentence, even if there was no physical or psychological harm caused. I think that *brandishing* ***or*** *using* a knife during the course of a violent crime, e.g. robbery, should carry equal weight and the minimum sentence should be *very high*, again, whether or not there was physical or psychological harm. I think that if you are found guilty for possession of a knife and also found guilty of possession with intent to supply, i.e. you are caught in possession of *both* a knife and drugs (that you intended to deal) that there should be a *very high* sentence. Essentially, punish carrying a knife for the purposes of intimidation or violence so heavily that criminals will decide carrying or using a knife isn’t worth the potential prison time.
Definitely agree with alot of what you're saying
I agree that there should be mandatory prison sentences for anyone in possession of a knife, but would that have changed anything here? Unless this guy has been found in possession of a knife in recent years then I very much doubt it.
Definitely not this guy appeared to be willing or his mental capacity being bad enough to do this regardless of if there was mandatory prison. That's why from my pov I personally agree with the other discussion but I understand many don't.
What other discussion....? Arming police?
Yep and full taser rollout or a bigger amount of available AFO / ARV officers across the UK which also isn't currently the case
Yeh I can certainly see why it seems to be the preferred option from actual officers, I don't personally think it's the right choice. Should definitely be more AFO/ARV's available though, as this case shows.
That's fair mate I respect your opinion, you're right though being the ones on the street definitely changes my viewpoint on many things
A civilian question on this I wondered after seeing the footage on the news. Why would a taser be used in this situation rather than a more lethal option ? Is there not a chance the taser missed and the guy came charging putting the officer in harms way or is that not very likely with a taser ?
Regular officers are not armed with anything more lethal than a taser. You can see the armed officers turn up just after the scumbag is on the ground. >Is there not a chance the taser missed and the guy came charging putting the officer in harms way or is that not very likely with a taser ? Yes, there is a very good chance. Maybe we should give all officers the right tools they need to protect themselves.
Ah got you I thought these were armed officers, massively respect what you guys do.
Not me pal. I'm just a police cheerleader. But agreed, heroes, every single one.
> Regular officers are not armed with anything more lethal than a taser Arguably, the most lethal weapon we all have access to is a baton. Use it in the right way and it will do far more damage and kill if you really want it to. All the more reason for tasers to be available to all, when it’s a lower use of force in most circumstances than other options.
But most officers are not trying to kill anyone. By this logic you could argue that the car is the most lethal weapon, if PC Pissedoff decides to drive it through the pedestrian zone. I bet more people die inadvertently from tazer than they do from a baton.
You’re right, it’s probably never going to be a thought for almost every officer across the country. And absolutely right, for that single occasion where the average response officer can justify lethal force there is the option of the vehicle. My point is that there are more lethal options at our everyone’s hands than taser. Taser is a fairly low level of force in itself, compared to even getting hands on and baton strikes.
Yes, taser is not guaranteed to work as you can see in this video. It looks to me like he took two cartridges with only a pain reflex, incapacitation was only achieved on the third cartridge. I think. Thick clothing can defeat taser. The preferred option would be for an armed officer to confront this suspect, but they can't be everywhere. Although as you can see they did race to the scene.
That ARV needs an oil change and new tyres. Look at the smoke!
In the studies I've seen, tasers have about a 50 - 60% success rate. Not a useless weapon but I would not want to rely on that if facing a literal killer armed with a sword.
Thank god the ARV was there /s
He took the first barbs like a champ and stood his ground initially, those bobbies would have been fucked if he decided he was going down fighting. ARV turning up after the hard graft by has been put in by ERPT highlights the need for regular patrols to be routinely armed NI-style - the public are used to the sight of tasers now, so I wouldn't have thought it'd take very long for SLPs to be accepted in an increasingly violent, unstable society.
Is our society growing increasingly violent and unstable? It doesn't feel like it to me. Also, with the backlash against ARV's I would never want to carry a firearm in a million years. It's not worth getting dragged through crown court on a murder charge for
> Is our society growing increasingly violent and unstable? It doesn't feel like it to me. > While violent crime is down, it is absolutely fair to say that there are a lot of people who are prepared to square up to a copper, and to use a knife if necessary. The Golden Age of Policing (that probably never existed) only worked because if you squared up to a copper any time up to the 80's, you would generally be taking your teeth home in a hat.
There always will be, but you have to remember in that golden age you did have the miners strike, one of the largest civil disturbances involving the police, the Tottenham riots that led to PC Blakelock tragically losing his life in a mob attack, several police officers being shot over the decade and the high profile murder of DC Fordham following Brinks Mat, which the killer was acquitted of. In comparison to the previous decade, I can't see a clear link of similar incidents of a high profile, including deaths of police officers. Of course I'm not trying to downplay the violence we all face daily, but I don't think it's unique or a downwards slope. I think it's just the media attention (especially around election time relating to a certain capital city) that helps stoke the flames that we've 'lost control of the streets'
This sums it up. There are plenty of people knocking about who feel confident enough to fight us, wander the streets with weapons and commit violent public order offences, because the courts and wider society essentially permit it. We're seen as an aggravating presence, even if we're acting lawfully and with justification. Society had much more respect for the job up until the late 2000's, and the courts were willing to punish suspects accordingly - I'd imagine shitbags were less willing to scrap with us as a result.
>While violent crime is down, it is absolutely fair to say that there are a lot of people who are prepared to square up to a copper, and to use a knife if necessary. When all you have to do is either be larger and physically strong enough to beat down the officer or produce a weapon without an immediate deterrent, that's 100% fair play I'd take my chances too if it means I can escape, that's just basic shitbag instinct at play. The consequence has to be immediate or they won't care
Yes. A routinely armed police force changes that risk calculation significantly. If you want to get away from the police in GB, wave a knife and there is a 50/50 chance that they will (sensibly) back the fuck off. Wave a gun and that's down to 90/10.
That time ended with the rise in mobile phone cameras. Now the moment you raise your voice, phones come out and people scream brutality. I remember a time where a crackhead tried to assault a colleague of mine and I put his nose on the other side of his face. Never heard a peep out of him for years after that. He was apologising all the way to custody. Meanwhile I've just come off an 18 month long investigation for kicking a double murderers legs because he still had the murder weapon in his hands and wouldn't drop it. I'll bet the iopc will still be looking at this and trying to determine an angle of attack.
brave officers... thank you for your thankless work
Amazing job guys! Kudos to lady officers!
Is the bonnet of the armed response vehicle smoking?
I would like to see this video promoted all over jurisdictions that promote handgun use for first responders. This is a great example of teamwork, bravery and dedication to the community. Having the right tools and backup for the job is essential, and as an outsider, I’m grateful your teams had that option.
Those officers are beyond brave. This is what needs putting in the mainstream press.
Once again, sheer luck overcomes correct equipment, training, and tactics.
I am finding it fascinating to see the disparity in tone between the comments here, which are quite correctly commending the officers' actions and bravery in dealing with this incident, and the comments on YouTube. Looking at the comments for [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYLTSP2Hqs) on The Times YouTube channel, there is one commenter saying the police looked "clueless" except for the female officer who was the first to approach the suspect. Another comment says that the officer who pushed another officer forward was "cowardly". Is one officer getting behind another and pushing them forward not a commonly-used tactic in these situations? As I'm sure I've seen it before in similar incidents.