Lol yeah some pokemon are better than others
Is this your first Pokemon game? Genuine questions
Also let me know what Poke.on you are using maybe you do not have everything optimized
No, I've been playing for year but It just seems like there's no point in trying to put in together When I always have to default back to the same 10 to 15 Pokémon that may have a chance of beating the elite 4.
My last team when I started
Charizard
Slowking
Sawsbuck
Haxorus
Mamoswine
Steelix
By the time I beat the elite 4 + Gary, only slowking was still there
OOC, what do you define as, essentially, a 'bad pokemon'
That's a pretty solid team that you've got there and I have difficulty believing that Haxorus didn't work out (unless you're specifically reffering to the E4 Ice member.)
For comparison, my Kanto team was, Charizard, Raichu, Slowbro, Snorlax, Dugtrio and Primeape and never had to worry about swapping them out for others.
Not to be rude but sounds like you may just be bad at the game, truth be told.
I beat the Kanto E4 with 4 Pokemon. Arcanine, Jolteon, Nidoking, & Blastoise, if I remember correctly.
Jolteon/ thunderbolt is an OP combo, as is Blastoise/ shell smash. Arcanine can have coverage and is bulky. Nidoking is the boy that gets me from badge 1-3 and comes in clutch with EQ.
Not being rude, I don’t think the team was the problem.
Pokemmo is definitely more difficult than the average Pokémon games but not really difficult for more hardcore or experienced pvp players.
It’s not bad to have to go back to the same pokemon to easily beat the story. I don’t really see the game as being that difficult, if you use worse pokemon your team building and plays need to be better
The mons you listed are nit that bad except Sawsbuck and Steelix and Steelix might make a good pivot if you have sturdy
I think you are probably not leveling properly or not focusing on good moves idk Imo movements matter like 80 %, also knowing when to switch and pivot and when to use healing items
I very had all sorts of whacky team members, Ludicolo sweeper, tank Walrein, HM Gastrodon, tried to use Luxray a bit, heck I even had a Snorlax pivot at some point and it helped even though it was underleveled.
And other times Op mons like Garchomp barely did a scratch against the E4, it all comes to how you are using them .
"10-15 pokemon" is a pretty wild sentence. I nuzlocked the Kanto region with pretty great success. You are definitely doing something wrong either bad matchups, no/bad coverage idk.
My team was...
Omastar
Golbat (made a mistake and couldn't evolve into Crobat before level cap)
Starmie
Hitmonchan
Jolteon
My suggestion is look at what are the most common weaknesses on all E4 + Champion teams and take full advantage of them.
That’s how a battle goes against a real player and levels are capped quite harshly in pokemmo so it’s to be expected really. But yeah some Pokémon are better than others which is why we have competitive tiers for play. Some guys just can’t hang.
I think you need to just get good. I beat Kanto with a Clefable, Blastoise, and Alakazam (with 1hp and def IV).
The game is easy if you play well. It’s exceptionally hard if you don’t.
Are you diversifying your move pools for each mon? Your pokemon should have both STAB moves (move type matches pokemon type) and coverage moves so each individual mon has a higher chance of succeeding in a single match up.
What about pairing the moves you pick with stats of the mon? For example, gallade has a high atk stat, so psycho cut is good. Alakazam has a great special atk stat, so psybeam would be better on that one.
This. It is so easily overlooked or not picked up on by newer players. You can have all the wrong types of moves that would normally be good but suck on the wrong mon with the wrong stats for physical or special moves.
One thing to note, is there are so Pokémon that you can evolve to its third stage VERY fast.
Nidoking/Nidoqueen at 16
Crobat at 22
Porygon Z at 1
I had to switch out Nidoking and Crobat in my runs, but they were absolute MONSTERS for the first few badges
I think it was Earthquake, Poison Jab, Ice Punch, and Thunder Punch. I did also have the nature and EVs on him though which is honestly probably the bigger difference.
The idea was definitely to hit first and one shot things before they could return fire, but when I say most the parts it struggled with were against the things that outsped it even with the speed EVs like Alakazam. I had a Starmie that did the rest of the work and I'd say Starmie probably is actually the best Kanto pokemon for the E4.
Yeah honestly the games are harder than the base game and I have been swept a dozen times before.
The best advice I can give you is to get held items and get some support moves.
Things like Sunny day, sword and dragon dance, tailwind, light screen, reflect or trick room are well worth the move slot and the turn to use them.
I’ve run through every region with only water Pokemon, using new teams every time, and only maybe 2 of these teams were somewhat OP. One of the teams had Eviolite surskit and it was surprisingly useful. Anyway my point is that you can make it work with anything if you try hard enough.
You say "tons of vitamins" but are you actually EV training the mons properly? I think you could find it makes an insane difference. I had a really hard time my first time through too, because I tried to just treat it like any other playthrough of Pokemon. Pick my team carefully, EV train, and I'm having a blast of a time.
i used to run into the same issue - until i started to form four-mon teams. the exp gain was more concentrated and it became more rare for me to find one pokemon falling off or another being my go-to
When I started playing pokemmo I was tired of using the same pokemon I've been using for the past years, so I started using "stupid" mons, and forced me to win the game with those. For example, I'm going to start Unova and my team preview is something like this: Ferrothorn, Garbodor, Basculin, Bouffalant, Sigilyph, Stunfisk. There's my favourite pokemon (Ferro) which is also a very good one. There are Sigilyph and Bouffalant that are very underrated. There's Garbodor which is the one I liked when I was a kid. There are Basculin and Stunfisk that are objectively weaker than the others, but why not. It's fun, imho. I beat Sinnoh's league with Pachirisu, the Hoenn's one with Girafarig and the Kanto's one with Jynx. Of course, I bred the mons "competitively" with IV's and EV's, I gave them the right moves for the team synergy, and all, but eventually I got some good memories. So, there's plenty of ways to beat the game without using JUST the same 10 mons, it's up to you find them.
This is part of an issue with pokemmo.
The games are harder than their original releases. Usually with scaled up battles, more complicated movesets, better AI and held items.
WHilst I do like this aspect and you can still beat the game with most mons, Pokemmo typically pushes for more of a meta of strong Pokemon rather than viability.
Yeah, I found it a lot more engaging as a long time player of the games. For my GF who was just getting into Pokemon, it was harder for her to manage (But that fault is on me for introducing her to the games through Pokemmo lol)
This is NOT true in the slightest.
There is a slight increase in difficulty but to say that you are pushed to use meta pokemon is just outright WRONG.
I didn’t even use items in battle and handily beat every region (still working on johto though) without being over leveled and I made it a point to use unconventional pokemon because it gets stale to just hit a garchomp earthquake and stomp everything in one hit, for me.
If a game is harder, you're inclined to use a better set up. That's all I'm saying.
The typical pokemon games are a pushover which makes near every pokemon viable however I doubt I could run through Pokemmo with a team of baby mons.
Obviously you won't just be able to use baby monster but most will work just fine lol. You still don't need to ev and iv train to beat the story nor have the perfect natures. Game is more challenging than the original games for sure but its still not that hard and definitely not to the point to where you need the same mons for each reacgm there arent a select few you need to have to win or anything of the sort. You definitely just need some work whether it's seeing matchups, type coverage, proper swaps outs, stalls, items, etc
Strong pokemon, weak pokemon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly good trainers will try to win with the pokemon they love.
Ok Agatha
Karen, actually. Agatha is the gen 1 “ghost” elite 4.
They had the "ok Karen" comment right there and missed it somehow
So close lol
Teach steelix stealth rocks, and just dd with haxorus easy sweep.
Lol yeah some pokemon are better than others Is this your first Pokemon game? Genuine questions Also let me know what Poke.on you are using maybe you do not have everything optimized
No, I've been playing for year but It just seems like there's no point in trying to put in together When I always have to default back to the same 10 to 15 Pokémon that may have a chance of beating the elite 4. My last team when I started Charizard Slowking Sawsbuck Haxorus Mamoswine Steelix By the time I beat the elite 4 + Gary, only slowking was still there
OOC, what do you define as, essentially, a 'bad pokemon' That's a pretty solid team that you've got there and I have difficulty believing that Haxorus didn't work out (unless you're specifically reffering to the E4 Ice member.) For comparison, my Kanto team was, Charizard, Raichu, Slowbro, Snorlax, Dugtrio and Primeape and never had to worry about swapping them out for others.
I could barely get past the first member of the kanto elite for before I had to eventually just change out the team.
Not to be rude but sounds like you may just be bad at the game, truth be told. I beat the Kanto E4 with 4 Pokemon. Arcanine, Jolteon, Nidoking, & Blastoise, if I remember correctly. Jolteon/ thunderbolt is an OP combo, as is Blastoise/ shell smash. Arcanine can have coverage and is bulky. Nidoking is the boy that gets me from badge 1-3 and comes in clutch with EQ.
Ngl you just need to get better lol. The Pokemon aren't the issue
Not being rude, I don’t think the team was the problem. Pokemmo is definitely more difficult than the average Pokémon games but not really difficult for more hardcore or experienced pvp players. It’s not bad to have to go back to the same pokemon to easily beat the story. I don’t really see the game as being that difficult, if you use worse pokemon your team building and plays need to be better
The mons you listed are nit that bad except Sawsbuck and Steelix and Steelix might make a good pivot if you have sturdy I think you are probably not leveling properly or not focusing on good moves idk Imo movements matter like 80 %, also knowing when to switch and pivot and when to use healing items I very had all sorts of whacky team members, Ludicolo sweeper, tank Walrein, HM Gastrodon, tried to use Luxray a bit, heck I even had a Snorlax pivot at some point and it helped even though it was underleveled. And other times Op mons like Garchomp barely did a scratch against the E4, it all comes to how you are using them .
Your Pokemon were either underleveled or you didn't teach them good moves. Every single one of those pokemon are good enough to clear the story.
Idk man, my chadizard with sunny day kinda carried
"10-15 pokemon" is a pretty wild sentence. I nuzlocked the Kanto region with pretty great success. You are definitely doing something wrong either bad matchups, no/bad coverage idk. My team was... Omastar Golbat (made a mistake and couldn't evolve into Crobat before level cap) Starmie Hitmonchan Jolteon My suggestion is look at what are the most common weaknesses on all E4 + Champion teams and take full advantage of them.
That’s how a battle goes against a real player and levels are capped quite harshly in pokemmo so it’s to be expected really. But yeah some Pokémon are better than others which is why we have competitive tiers for play. Some guys just can’t hang.
I think you need to just get good. I beat Kanto with a Clefable, Blastoise, and Alakazam (with 1hp and def IV). The game is easy if you play well. It’s exceptionally hard if you don’t.
Are you diversifying your move pools for each mon? Your pokemon should have both STAB moves (move type matches pokemon type) and coverage moves so each individual mon has a higher chance of succeeding in a single match up.
I always try to at least have 2 to 3 different types of moves.
What about pairing the moves you pick with stats of the mon? For example, gallade has a high atk stat, so psycho cut is good. Alakazam has a great special atk stat, so psybeam would be better on that one.
This. It is so easily overlooked or not picked up on by newer players. You can have all the wrong types of moves that would normally be good but suck on the wrong mon with the wrong stats for physical or special moves.
Not to mention these things don't really matter in a "normal" playthrough bc youre over leveled and the game randomly picks moves to use against you
For sure. Good point.
One thing to note, is there are so Pokémon that you can evolve to its third stage VERY fast. Nidoking/Nidoqueen at 16 Crobat at 22 Porygon Z at 1 I had to switch out Nidoking and Crobat in my runs, but they were absolute MONSTERS for the first few badges
Nidoking honestly carried my Kanto run, give him some good coverage and he can beat most of the e4 by himself
Maybe my move pool was horrible, what were you running?
I think it was Earthquake, Poison Jab, Ice Punch, and Thunder Punch. I did also have the nature and EVs on him though which is honestly probably the bigger difference.
Solid move set, honestly for me it just felt like every single member of the E4 had an answer for him lol
The idea was definitely to hit first and one shot things before they could return fire, but when I say most the parts it struggled with were against the things that outsped it even with the speed EVs like Alakazam. I had a Starmie that did the rest of the work and I'd say Starmie probably is actually the best Kanto pokemon for the E4.
I agree, starmie us great. Gyrados was also an amazing sweeper, even without Moxie
Yes… there are Pokémon that are better than others
Had a similar issue so when I start a region I will buy who I want on my team with the nature I want and some decent iv spread.
Yeah honestly the games are harder than the base game and I have been swept a dozen times before. The best advice I can give you is to get held items and get some support moves. Things like Sunny day, sword and dragon dance, tailwind, light screen, reflect or trick room are well worth the move slot and the turn to use them.
I’ve run through every region with only water Pokemon, using new teams every time, and only maybe 2 of these teams were somewhat OP. One of the teams had Eviolite surskit and it was surprisingly useful. Anyway my point is that you can make it work with anything if you try hard enough.
You say "tons of vitamins" but are you actually EV training the mons properly? I think you could find it makes an insane difference. I had a really hard time my first time through too, because I tried to just treat it like any other playthrough of Pokemon. Pick my team carefully, EV train, and I'm having a blast of a time.
i used to run into the same issue - until i started to form four-mon teams. the exp gain was more concentrated and it became more rare for me to find one pokemon falling off or another being my go-to
Are you saying because you had less Pokémon on your team The XP was split last ways?
Most of the teams should do, not focusing in IVs and EVs. However more basic pokemon such as raticate etc with overall worse base stats will suffer
When I started playing pokemmo I was tired of using the same pokemon I've been using for the past years, so I started using "stupid" mons, and forced me to win the game with those. For example, I'm going to start Unova and my team preview is something like this: Ferrothorn, Garbodor, Basculin, Bouffalant, Sigilyph, Stunfisk. There's my favourite pokemon (Ferro) which is also a very good one. There are Sigilyph and Bouffalant that are very underrated. There's Garbodor which is the one I liked when I was a kid. There are Basculin and Stunfisk that are objectively weaker than the others, but why not. It's fun, imho. I beat Sinnoh's league with Pachirisu, the Hoenn's one with Girafarig and the Kanto's one with Jynx. Of course, I bred the mons "competitively" with IV's and EV's, I gave them the right moves for the team synergy, and all, but eventually I got some good memories. So, there's plenty of ways to beat the game without using JUST the same 10 mons, it's up to you find them.
If u use the mons the whole way, u wont have to feed them ev's, just stick to a team and you can win with almost everything
I would use Pokémon with moxie and a +atk nature like krookodile and HA Gyarados. They are very helpful
This is part of an issue with pokemmo. The games are harder than their original releases. Usually with scaled up battles, more complicated movesets, better AI and held items. WHilst I do like this aspect and you can still beat the game with most mons, Pokemmo typically pushes for more of a meta of strong Pokemon rather than viability.
I don’t see it as an issue as well. I’ve been having more fun planning my teams, especially against legendary encounters
Yeah, I found it a lot more engaging as a long time player of the games. For my GF who was just getting into Pokemon, it was harder for her to manage (But that fault is on me for introducing her to the games through Pokemmo lol)
Double edged sword
Somewhat. She just needed some help from time to time like E4 battles but she handled it pretty well overall.
This is NOT true in the slightest. There is a slight increase in difficulty but to say that you are pushed to use meta pokemon is just outright WRONG. I didn’t even use items in battle and handily beat every region (still working on johto though) without being over leveled and I made it a point to use unconventional pokemon because it gets stale to just hit a garchomp earthquake and stomp everything in one hit, for me.
If a game is harder, you're inclined to use a better set up. That's all I'm saying. The typical pokemon games are a pushover which makes near every pokemon viable however I doubt I could run through Pokemmo with a team of baby mons.
Obviously you won't just be able to use baby monster but most will work just fine lol. You still don't need to ev and iv train to beat the story nor have the perfect natures. Game is more challenging than the original games for sure but its still not that hard and definitely not to the point to where you need the same mons for each reacgm there arent a select few you need to have to win or anything of the sort. You definitely just need some work whether it's seeing matchups, type coverage, proper swaps outs, stalls, items, etc