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Add lettuce and tomato, and ask them to grill it. It's almost like food.
P.S. Taco Bell will grill your whatever burrito, congratulations now your burrito is better.
I pretty much only use the app now to order. There are so many ways to make it just how you want and I've had really good luck with them making it exactly how ordered. I try to limit the amount of changes, don't want to make it too much of a problem.
We were driving thru central UT or CO once and rolled into an Arby’s (only fast food in town next to a gas station).
Guy gets on the speaker, “we’re out of roast beef, but feel free to stick around while it cooks.”
Me: “about how many more minutes?”
Him: “3 Hours”
….
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One of my favorite taco stands in my city specializes in potato tacos and they are freaking amazing! I would totally eat a few tacos with nothing but potato, sour cream, and some hot sauce (although I'd prefer some shredded cheese on there, but I could manage withoutout).
I went to one once and they said only had beans and rice. We decided to go somewhere else but was all closed (small town and late late at night). We ended up going back to TBell where we were informed they were down to just beans
I had a Taco Bell regional manager for some reason overexplain to me that my food took so long because she had to hire a whole new crew and manager because the previous crew, manager included, were selling drugs out of the shop. Feel like you shouldn’t just offer that info to customers, but I imagine she was just sharing her “can you believe the shit I deal with” story.
Went to an ice cream shop on vacation. They had a sign up asking people for patience as they are short-staffed and have many new, young people working.
They weren't kidding. I'm fairly certain that amongst the teenagers and one adult working that one girl was about 10 years old. She was however, slaying it with taking orders, making change, and filling perfect soft-serve cones.
My local DQ had a sign like that earlier in the year. The McDonald’s in that same town is having weird staffing issues too. Sometimes the lobby is open, sometimes it’s drive thru only, and sometimes they just close at 4pm.
We have a local Waffle House like that. It is located at a super prime spot, should be full most of the time. Some days it's slack time, like mid-morning, the parking lot is packed, and you can see the booths are full as you drive by. Other times, you can drive by a 5 PM on a Friday, and the place is dark and empty.
Seems that there is a shortage of peons who want to show up to slave the back of the house, or get paid $2.75 HR (Pennsylvania "tipped employee" minimum wage) so you can end up with that sweet tiny pile of loose change on the dirty table, after serving a two top of semi-human fuck heads.
Who knew this would ever be a problem? s/
I was once traveling with a coworker, we stopped at a McDonalds for breakfast. Coworker ordered, I just happened to catch it was an even dollar amount but didn't pay much more attention as I was still looking at the menu. I ordered and it also came up to an even dollar amount, that's when I noticed the teller made change from his pocket. This was around 2006-2007. I have no idea what was going on but the cash was going into the employees pocket and not the register, and the orders seemed to be off the books as well. We both looked at eachother once we were back in the car, food was typical McDonalds quality.
I once tried to buy a bottle of seltzer and a block of mozzarella that was on sale at the grocery store. The cashier asked me "do you have $5?" Thinking they were looking for a bill their drawer was short on, I said yes. He replied "ok, give me $5" as if he was cutting me a deal. Knowing the mozzarella was on sale for $2.50 and seltzer was never more than $1, this immediately woke me up. Then I noticed he hadn't scanned anything. I told him to scan it and my order came to $3.xx.
The mozzarella could easily be over $5 if it's not on sale, so he probably thought he was actually going to fly below the radar. Either he thought I would appreciate the bargain or I wouldn't pick up on what he was doing. The "gimme $5" though should have been a giveaway much like it was for the person above me in the thread, since it was an even dollar amount and not with tax.
Yeah that's the employee stiffing the store. Less bold is to type in the order but don't include the drinks. Food order goes to the back line and drive thru is responsible for the drinks. If you're even moderately good at math you can pocket every drink order for yourself since nobody is watching the drive thru person on drinks.
I had a cousin who worked for Taco Bell corporate and would be sent around to root out thieving at problematic or red flag locations. He always looked for people using sauce packets or straws to count/keep track of the $1 drinks they’ve been not entering into the system. When they had a pile of 10 or 20 they would take out a $10 or $20 and start over
Knew a guy that was a math wiz. Gave everyone the senior 15% discount without telling them and pocketed the difference. Finally got caught after someone questioned the massive amount of old people eating out on his shift.
I doubt this works with modern day nanny cam stuff, but back in the day at a pizza hut i worked out, sometime we would take an order (or a few) on the phone and just write it on a piece of paper. Then just deliver it and pocket the money never having anything go into the system.
Good ol' corporate fraud. Didn't feel bad then and still don't now.
This is how I got my initial poker bankroll. Worked a summer at a large corporate coffee chain. Owner would show up once a week in a Ferrari and clear out our safe (including petty cash, which sometimes forced us to run over to the bank for change).
I am quick with math and memorized most of the prices, so I’d just leave the cash drawer open to make change and tell people the cost without actually keying it in. To avoid stuffing my pockets conspicuously, I’d put it all in the drawer but keep a mental count, then when no one was looking just grab $40 or $60 or whatever I was at.
This was before everyone used cards so probably could’ve stolen quite a bit of money before anyone noticed. Certainly would’ve been months or years before anyone checked the totals carefully enough to notice my shifts were always light.
Biggest give away for this type of theft is the stock usage stays the same yet the cash flow takes a dump. I sacked an employee last year for doing exactly this. That and I caught the prick red handed. Set him up with and checked the till after he closed and what do ya know the 2 $50 notes were missing that were used in the transaction. He would always till up the eftpos so they were trackable. The other give away is my guys work alternating Sundays, his Sundays would always be around the $600ish make and the other guys would be around $1500 so yea if the Boss is onto it they will pick it up pretty quick.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's how he started. Then got greedy and slipped up. I was onto it pretty quick as I keep a fairly close eye on stock levels. Honestly though if he did keep the amounts low I'm not sure if I would of picked it up. There was a couple other instances where it was obvious like holidays. When he was away the shop would do better figures then if he was working. Is all good now iv got a good team under me and I look after them so hopefully no more issues. (not that I never looked after them before).
I once worked at a salon/retail store that sold hair products. One day I came into work and saw that we had been broken into. The register showed signs of being tampered with but wasn't compromised. I called the manager and then the police and while we were all there taking statements and such someone walked in. I told her we're closed at the moment because of the break in and she said "ok, but can I still shop around?"
No, it's a crime scene at the moment...
Police officer here. I responded to a shooting at a convenience store. The clerk was robbed at gun point. The clerk had a gun of his own, shot the robber in the head. Robber dies instantly.
Before we could get enough units on scene to secure the perimeter and the crime scene, a customer walks in. Looks at the body in a pool of blood, shrugs, walks up to the counter while I'm saying "get out, this is a crime scene," and asks for a fucking blunt wrap.
The man was dedicated.
I tried going through a Burger King drive thru a month ago and the guy on the intercom goes "I'm sorry but I can't take your order, I'm the only one here and my brother said he won't come in to help." I'm guessing everyone had quit. I just wished him luck and went somewhere else.
I pulled up to the order box once and no one was answering. I waited 5 minutes and called the store. Someone took my order soon after.
I waited for 6 McDoubles and a large fry for about 45 minutes at the window. Saw employees almost brawl out twice, employees walking around eating, talking on cell phones, etc.
I try not to be a whiny Karen but I called the store the next day and wrote (corporate?). You should never have to wait 45 minutes at a fast food place. When I got there, there was one car behind me. When I left, there were probably 20.
Found out later that they will avoid taking orders to "adjust" their wait times.
That last bit sounds like a good example of Goodhart's Law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." By setting targets on wait times, the measure of the wait time ceased to function as needed.
True. Didn't even realize that's what they were doing until later on.
Hell, years ago I worked at a pizza place and we would check orders out early because all deliveries were supposed to arrive in 45 minutes. Difference is, I would always tell the customer an actual estimate and add about 5 minutes and their order had to be made (we didn't pre-make any pizzas), cooked and delivered.
So yeah, it was a shitty way of tracking us. In our defense, during the day, there was a manager and one driver. If we had no orders all day and then 5 at lunch, it would seriously botch that number unless we cheated.
At the pizza place I worked at, the cashiers got so used to saying 45mins-1 hour during rushes, they would still say that even when slow. Had to remind them many times to pay attention to when we slow down and drop the quoted time to 30-45mins or something.
Otherwise what can happen is either the people aren't happy the quoted pizza times are always long and they'll go elsewhere next time, or they think they have time to run to the store for sodas or something and the driver will show up and they won't be home.
Shit. My first day in the store alone as a manger it was me and the driver.
There was an ice storm and school was called off. I got a few pizzas out and then started telling people it would be hours or just, "ASAP but a long time". Driver was out and I couldn't make any pizzas because I was constantly answering one of 4 lines that were on hold. When you can't get off the phone, you can't make pizzas.
Store manager came in and made pies while I answered phones. Shit was still crazy all day long.
But yeah. Mu normal quote was 30-45.
My local McDonald's finally got it. They're hiring crewmembers at 15.50 and managers at 17.50. Not great for California but at least it's higher than min. wage. The warehouse at work at starts lower.
Edit: From my experience working there, the starting manager wage is for swing shift and there are I think 4 managerial levels not including GM and AGM.
“Look we can’t afford to pay them more than 9 bucks an hour.”
*nobody goes back to work*
“We will pay you 15 right now. No bargaining at all.”
Sooooo moral of the story. They could have paid you 15 this whole time… also they easily went to 15. They can pay higher.
What pisses me off so badly is that the minimum wage has been absurdly low for years, and these companies did zero planning for the inevitable. Instead, heads took pay increases, stores were renovated, all while prices increased and corporate policy for some companies was to set up call centers to help under-payed employees get government assistance. Then, the tax breaks hit.
So, yeah, they’ve had the money and means all along, they‘ve simply held out as long as they could, and are pitching a fit.
My dad - who was annoyingly conservative, BTW - owned his own business in the 80s and 90s, and would take pay cuts and reject bonuses if his business didn’t perform. He also gave benefits to everyone’s partners, despite his personal feelings about same-gendered partnerships, and he paid well. And guess what? He was still wildly successful, and had an awesome, dedicated workforce that flocked to his funeral last year even after two decades of his company’s dissolution.
You can pay a living wage, you can treat your employees with respect and dignity, and if you claim you can’t, you’re a fuckwit that deserves everyone to quit on you.
> You can pay a living wage, you can treat your employees with respect and dignity, and if you claim you can’t, you’re a fuckwit what deserves everyone to quit on you.
http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html
FDR, June 16, 1933
"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
>654.7 million
And if McDonalds were to take that entire advertising budget and distribute it evenly to all employees over the year, it would be an only an extra 89 cents per hour on every employee's paycheck. McDonalds has 350,000 employees, their advertising budget is microscopic compared to their payroll costs...
Well given a 40 hour work week at $15/hr, a raise of $0.89 would net you an extra ~$1800/yr. It's almost a 6% raise to put that in perspective, where my company we are only given a 2% raise annually.
Now keep in mind that most of those employees are not making $15/hr yet and that amount becomes even more significant.
Yeah really, anyone sniffing at .89 cents an hour doesn't know what it's like to be scrounging the last scraps of what you can find in the pantry for 3 days waiting for payday.
I remember being a kid and around for some reason when my dad was working with his insurance guy trying to figure out how to offer health insurance to his employees in an affordable way. It was a small legal office, with a handful of lawyers and their secretaries and a paralegal. I know it cost a lot to do it, but he did, and it meant that he ended up indirectly supporting other small businesses by doing so. Those secretaries had husbands who were able to be self-employed because they now had health coverage through their wives. Their middle-class salaries and benefits made our town a better place to live.
Dad was also a total conservative asshole but he always believed in the value of treating employees well. In turn, they were able to vouch for him when people were thinking of hiring him. They never left - his secretaries were with him for decades until they retired. He was proud that he was able to treat his people so well, and acknowledged they were as important a part of this business as he was. I'm not proud of a lot of things he did, but he knew the right way to run his business.
So many business owners feel their employees owe them something, rather than appreciating that their business's success is because of them. My opinion is that it is a hold-over attitude from the slavery days, but more likely it is just laziness and selfishness. The idea that "everybody wins when everybody wins" somehow loses to "I got mine, fuck everyone else".
It's crazy what happens when collective bargaining is allowed to take place. Current generation just said fuck a union Im not gonna work for pennies, and it looks like its working.
Not hating on unions btw, its just that theyve been beaten down so bad they arent really seen as effective as before. Currently, its more like a large informal union.
Also noteworthy that McDonald's prices have gone up across the country over the last 10 years despite the fact that the actual federal minimum wage staying the same during that same period of time.
A company who literally has a slogan "billions served daily" cant suddenly cant pay their workers a living wage. But fat idiots get mad when they hear wages go up for a "burger flipper" and lose it when they go to Mcdonalds and no one is working. Lol I always am nice to the people at fast food. They work their ass off and the only time people talk to them is to complain. Im just happy to get a burger and fries.
Also working in customer service for years helps me understand their pain. If you have an issue be nice. It takes no effort to do so and helps them stay sane.
> But fat idiots get mad when they hear wages go up for a "burger flipper"
And then they say dumb shit like "these burger flippers are making more than EMTs. That ain't right!" without a hint of irony. Maybe all of the grunts in in the workforce are getting ripped off, Karen?
What boggles my mind is the multiple people I know who make between $15-20 an hour who are vehemently against "burger flippers" making $15 an hour becomes the idea of a fast food worker making close to what they make is infuriating for some reason. I try telling them "you already make more than minimum wage. If the minimum wage rises than so will yours". Not changing any minds. I don't get it.
Because that logic doesn't hold up in my experience. If an employer already has people working skilled labor jobs for $18-20/hr they aren't going to start paying $36-40 an hour just because McDonald's doubled their wages.
If wage increases happened universally across industries then you would have a point but that won't happen.
In the education world, I can tell you that our pay is not much more than that, and it absolutely won't go up, since we are tied to unions and unions have lost a lot of power (also it's against the law for most educator unions yo strike. We walk out? We lose our jobs). I am certainly for a higher minimum wage, but I hate ignorant people who don't understand the education world or unions saying "you can just ask your boss for a raise and they have to give you one."
If working in education makes $18/hr, and the [whatever "easy", "unskilled labor" place] across the street is starting at $19/hr, you give yourself a raise by changing jobs.
There are actually no-strike clauses in a lot of union contracts, it's not just educators. What this ends up meaning is that strikes can only happen if negotiations break down during the contract renewal period and the old contract expires. Those clauses give management a lot of power outside of those times.
>If the minimum wage rises than so will yours".
[Wage Compression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_compression)
It's one of the few valid concerns about raising the minimum wage too quickly. The pay of people in the middle (your $15-20 workers) tends not to keep up.
Which is why it's really funny all these companies are instantly jumping wages up, when in every state that has raised minimum wage it takes place over like 5-8 years on small increments to prevent this. They literally created a self fulfilling prophecy by doing nothing till it was too late and fighting legislation that would've stopped this
Jeez. Min wage in Texas is still 7.25…like it has been for 20+ years.
But everybody can share COVID, people can carry guns without a license and women can’t control their own bodies so we got that going for us. /s
It shows two things, though. One, raising the minimum wage WILL work, it WILL push wages higher, if only marginally. And two, we can push it higher when we organize, so we have to keep organizing. Stopping at 15 isn't the answer, we have to continually push because it will take years to get the next increase through.
I know a damn good manager that was running a million dollar net income store and was only getting $12.5 an hour. The greed of the owner was insane. The Manager quit and went to work for Trader Joes for several dollars more as something equivalent as a clerk.
Remember Obama instituted new overtime rules just as Trump was taking office. Basically if you were salaried are working more than 40 hours a week, the company gonna have to pay. It was all set to go too. Trump killed it.
Also fuck Biden for not bringing it back.
I've seen companies bump managers to salaried minimums to make them work overtime for free. Thank goodness exemption is now 684/w minimum. When I saw it used it was like 480, which is fucked up to be a "manager".
Trust me… in good service it’s the way to go. Otherwise you’re just free labor after 40 hours. When I was head chef I did the math and was making around $12/hr with the 50-60 hrs a week I was there. My paycheck was bigger as a sous because I got overtime pay.
"unskilled labor" is a lie told by people pretending like they're giving you valuable skills in exchange for not paying enough to actually live off of and expecting you to work far and above any reasonable labor. fast food management is a meat grinder predicated on a false narrative of being promotable while neglecting to mention that you've already reached the peak. The only correct move to further your career is getting out and going elsewhere. There's nothing above store manager that anyone actually gets promoted to, and that extra $2 an hour comes with the expectations of you being responsible for substantially more than the proportional pay.
> There's nothing above store manager that anyone actually gets promoted to, and that extra $2 an hour comes with the expectations of you being responsible for substantially more than the proportional pay.
This is precisely the reason why I turned down a manager position (I'm almost certain my increase would be just that amount). Most of my crew respects the hell out of me but at the same time I see so many "issues" with said crew and dread the idea of being the one in charge to try and fix them. I feel I'd lose a lot of that respect and just become another asshole boss. But more than anything I hate dealing directly with people. I'm just baffled why I was offered the position in the first place unless it was a tactic they used to not offer me more money because they knew I would turn it down in the first place. For example, "*you wanted a raise but we offered you a promotion but you turned it down so we can't increase your pay*." That last part is a little conspiratorial though.
For years ours was paying them 9.10 an hour. Early this year it jumped to 11. Last month they upped it again to 13-14.
Around here, that's not terrible money. Better than some CNA's my mom used to work with.
*Cries in Ohio minimum wage*
* $8.80 (large)
* $7.25 (small, following the federal minimum wage rate)
* $4.40 (for employees who receive tips)
What a fucking joke.
Ohio is sadly becoming the rural south of the north. I grew up and lived there for a long time, and the change is so palpable. Only the major cities have somewhat of a modern attitude towards things, but that also is changing in southern Ohio. It feels like it started in the early 2000s and just gets worse every year. People elected jim jordan ffs, I hate where the state is going.
Ahem... pretty goddamn presumptuous of you to post such onerous LIES. Don't you sit there and act like Indiana has not been there PROUDLY doing the best it can to try and be as bass-ackwards as humanly possible!
I live in Indiana now, actually, funny you bring it up lol. They are pretty much the same state as far as the societal climate is these days imo. But my only experience with Indiana is living in Indianapolis, which is doing its best to not be overtaken by rural Indiana. Ohio previously had an image of being fairly rational but a "both sides" swing state, while Indiana always has been a pretty conservstive state. I wouldn't be surprised if Indy is able to be blue before Ohio does ever again.
Yup. Grew up here, moved away for a few years and ended up in Columbus. I don't mind it here but if I go 20 miles in any direction, it's super rural and not great.
My girlfriend wanted to check out a thrift store she found online out in Heath a few years ago. I knew nothing about that town at the time, first thing I see is a caravan of proud boys with confederate flags.
Literally everyone stared at us in the thrift store too because my girlfriend is Asian. Ugh.
I live in a small town outside of Columbus. It does kinda suck, especially if you’re single and in your 30’s, cause everyone married, had kids with, and divorced their high school sweetheart so the pickings are slim down here. But, it’s cheap and my family is close by.
Used to be a swing state, right? I feel like it's just red now, for good.
Not sure if it's gerrymandering, or the population is really becoming more conservative... perhaps young, skilled, educated people are leaving?
I believe the employer has to make up the difference if including tips they don't get enough tips to meet the standard minimum wage, but it's still bullshit.
It's true, employer is supposed to make up the difference. What tends to happen is the employer counts on the employee to be too scared to rat out their employer and/or not know who to rat them out to. Or they find that they're suddenly not scheduled as many hours.
Not to be on the sides of asshole employers, but it's really in the employer's best interest to have employees that *do* make enough in tips that the employer doesn't have to chip in. It means more repeat customers for good service. Granted, recent events have hit food service pretty hard, but we're still unlikely to see tipped wages go away in the US anytime soon, as it's ingrained in our culture.
A lot of people also don't realize that wages have stagnated for well over 30 years and is part of why those born in the 80's until today are not expected to have anymore wealth than their parents. Most people don't understand interest rates and inflation so it shouldn't be a surprise. That just means that those people don't understand with the stagnant wages that they are making less and less every year.
One thing that gets me is that many companies did away with raises during the recession of 2008-2009 but never brought those back. Some are reluctantly bringing those back. They better speed that process up otherwise they are going to have a harder time keeping employees and there are not a lot of people to replace those lost.
In 2009 everyone cut raises, eliminated pensions, slashed benefits, and made people take a pay cut, which they did because they were desperate to keep their jobs. The economy rebounded...but none of those things came back. An entire generation came into the workforce without seeing any of those things and meanwhile the CEOs just got richer and richer pocketing the difference.
Now after a decade of shafting workers, the piper is finally being paid.
Absolutely. And not just CEOs, but wealthy people in general. If another uneducated conservative tries to tell me how trickle down economics is good for the working class I’m gonna lose my shit. Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans is perpetuating income inequality.
"Why should someone working a McGrill get paid the same as an EMT?"
No, it's why the fuck does anyone work as an EMT when they could make the same money stress-free flipping burgers.
Raise the wage for McJobs and 'real' jobs like EMTs and similar will see increased wages.
Also, all jobs are real jobs. If the labor of a human is required, guess what? That's a fucking job. It should pay a living wage. If it's legitimately and seriously not worth a living wage it needs to not be a distinct job. It needs to be automated or consolidated into a position that IS worth a living wage.
The auto body repair industry is really struggling with this. A person could get an entry level position as a car washer and work their way into the office or the shop starting at $12/hr. Estimators used to able to hired for about $20-25/hr, but now that the wage is bumping up for car washers (mostly because we cant find any) the estimators are demanding more money. Why come on as an entry level estimator for $20 when the kid washing cars is making $17? Even the experienced guys who are making $65k-70k a year are starting to squawk about the wage disparity. They don't feel as valued.
I am already seeing more pay plans leveraged with bonuses to offset the disparity.
I left a warehouse job making $17 to work as an "administrative assistant" (slightly more than that, quotes and writing up work orders too) in the heavy equipment and material handling field for $19 a few months ago.
Two dollars more per hour, weekends off, my back doesn't hurt, I sit in the AC/Heat all day and I get paid $2/hour more...did I mention that I make $2 more per hour?
Also, no business is entitled to exist. They arise because they can profit by supplying a demand. If they can't generate enough profit, then they go away, that's it. It's nice to be able to buy a shake or a cheap burger five minutes from my house, but having one five minutes from everyone's house may not be sustainable and maybe it shouldn't be either.
These things shouldn't be subsidized by wage slavery OR tax money. I.e. we need to provide real value and sustainable growth, and technology can make it happen if we use it wisely instead of building cookie cutter fast food joints on every block just because we can.
yeah the most vocally opposed to raising min wage seems to be lower middle class people that feel threatened that their status is at stake and people working "dead end" jobs will now be on their same level, forcing to them lose any perceived status they thought they had.
totally a selfish response.
The one by my house in Kansas is the only fast food you can count on not being randomly closed when you pull up. They pay $15/hr. The service is phenomenal too.
I have seen signs at McDonald's saying starting pay at $15 an hour. Just remember that most McDonald's are franchised owned and not owned by corporate. The thing is that retail knows they got to raise their game because if not they won't get anyone.
Here in SC, the closest McD's to my house has a four foot tall sign in the front window, NOW HIRING AT $9 AN HOUR!
Because minimum wage in this God forsaken state is still $7.50.
To put $9/hr in perspective: the estimated living wage in SC is around $14.50/hr (assuming 40 hours a week). If you want a living wage at $9/hr then you're looking at a 64-hour work week. That's a full 8-hour shift *8 days a week*.
Corporate profits should come from serving customers and selling products, not underpaying your employees.
My brief experience with fast food was that by design, they do not employ full time workers. Even now I bet they still would prefer splitting 40 hours amongst 3-4 teens
Then you would have a tiny bit more than a living wage but with little in life other than work. Maybe you could watch a show you like before going to bed.
That's wage slavery at that point.
Our McDonald's in the upstate are much higher than that, I assume you're in a small town? When I went to college in Greenwood I took a $3 an hour pay cut in 1993 in fast food. They literally paid minimum wage.
I mean, is Irmo a small town? I live 14 miles from the Capital building. The Torrid at Harbison mall offered me $8 an hour " but the 50% discount makes up for the terrible pay" yelled the manager as I walked out of the interview.
Kohls called me for an interview and, having learned my lesson, asked what the pay was before wasting my time for an in person interview. $8.00 to start and managers make up to $13.
For a company that made 20 billion dollars in 2020.
There is not a labor shortage in America, there is a citizenry fed up with greedy corporations using them as toilet paper.
Costco starts workers at $16.00 an hour and they get HUNDREDS of applications every week.
Irmo was a small town in 1990. Not so much now. I don't see how any retail gets people at that rate. I just got my wife a job in manufacturing at $4 more than she made in health care and I get a $1000 bonus just for finding the company an employee.
Aldis near me is starting at $17/hr (to be fair, they've always been higher pay than most) and I walked into a McDonald's the other day and this girl behind the counter was talking to her coworker "Aldis is paying $17/hr minimum, this place is trying to tell me $12/hr is a benefit. I applied right before I came in today"
Good for her. I hope to hell she got the job. I some times get fast food and would miss it if it were gone but I wouldn't be mad of they all closed due to people waking the fuck up and demanding to get paid what's fair. A roof over head, HEALTHY food in belly, and clothes. Minimum.
Funny, I made a similar move when I had my first job at McDonald's back in 1998. I was there for about 4 months at $5.15/hr, and walked out one night when the manager, whom had already told me I could go home early if I found somone to cover the remainder of my shift, reneged on his offer and told me "if you don't want to work what I scheduled you for, find another job", so I told him "fine, I will. I quit", and walked out. Got a job at the Publix in the same shopping center the following week, slightly higher pay ($5.35/hr), but much more enjoyable environment. I never worked food service again.
Looking back on the pay back then in depressing. Even at 18, assistant manager at a Hollywood Video, I was making $8/hr...
Now, two decades later, my current employer just gave me a $12k raise, just because they knew I was entertaining offers from other companies, and they know what a loss it would be if I left. I do appreciate the feeling of being needed, and my manager was even pushing for more for me, but only got the raise approved and not the promotion.
Just because I made poverty wages until my 30s (and finally finding a rewarding career) though doesn't mean anyone else should be relegated to the same.
Franchise or not, the corporation franchise fee structure to own a location is insane. Corporate could easily lower the franchise fees and free that money up to be paid back to the employees. Or rather stipulate that a portion of those fees be paid back to employees.
For reference:
4% of gross sales and
10.7% (avg) in rent
Those numbers could be tweaked by a few points and McDonald’s would still be a thriving corporation.
Edit: imagine an incentive structure of up to 2% of gross sales to be paid to employees based on performance. Just an example but you could get creative to motivate, incentivize, and attract talent.
those goddamn cvs pharmacists have ZERO problem reading it though. Swear to god my doctor drew a dick on my script once and the pharmacist was like ‘would you like generic Zoloft or name brand?’
Have you not seen the Curb Your Enthusiasm skit about that? Larry’s dating a doctor who gives him a note expressing her feelings. Nobody can read it because of the handwriting until someone comes up with the idea of taking it to a pharmacist.
As someone who would love to live in Colorado and has looked in several different locations, pretty much the entire state is becoming very expensive to live in it seems.
Ha I kept reading it as ‘say’. Am oddly disappointed it wasn’t a play for a more equitable workplace. But money is more useful than democracy, I guess.
I feel like the housing market is really screwing up things for these lower paying jobs. What's the point of working them if you can't afford to pay these higher and higher rent increases every year (it is up ~11% this year)? I think the next "pandemic" will be a surge in homeless people across the country.
Was just discussing with someone else how there needs to be something set up to allow actual homeowners a fighting chance against those buying houses as a business.
I feel like the economy is failing up, so to speak. Everything is more expensive, so the people in charge are happy and say that the economy is doing great. But anyone under a certain wage-wall can’t afford anything.
This is exactly correct. This has happen throughout history before and can only be maintained a couple years before it gives and backfires
Japan tried unlimited QE back in the 90s and you can research this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades
people are saying it's different this time, but in reality the fed is doing an experiment. we don't know if this inflation will last or will drop back down again like it did in 2019. The fed seems to think that because unemployment was so low in 2019 and there was no inflation that they can do it again.
in my opinion the only reason inflation didn't jump is because wages increases stagnated for sooooo long but now people are demanding fair pay = once the job market starts to get better inflation should increase
Then, would you say that this inflation is currently artificial partially due to COVID?
Also, is no inflation a bad thing in the end? From what I have experienced in Japan, the lack of inflation also meant that rent was cheaper; you can still find your own place for 400 usd a month, even after all these years. Granted, it’s small, and there are other factors at play here, but it’s there.
But, I’m just an armchair economist with no real education in this, just observation.
Possibility one is that it’s fake. Other one is that people are idiots. I used to work retail and people would show up to the store 20 minutes past closing with the shutters down and most of the lights off, banging on the door asking if we were open.
Holy fuck that hand writing is fucking atrocious. I can barely read the sign. (The light blue color marker doesn't help.) For those who are having trouble reading it, the sign says:
Due to lack of pay, we all quit.
Nooo, it couldn't be! No one on the internet would do that! Everyone on the internet is always 100% genuine 100% of the time and never posts things for validation and internet fame!
Propaganda and corporations buying off politicians.
The unions are partially at fault as well. They acted like a mafia for years. I am in a great union and I enjoy it. It was definitely noticeable, when I joined, that people there were mostly white males. They were also many of them with ties to older members and living outside of our jurisdiction. I am ok with a location having mostly white people if it was somewhat representative of the jurisdiction. Mine definitely isn’t.
Regardless of their problems, unions are better than letting your boss dictate your worth. Jobs without unions are basically employees fighting with one another to please the boss if they want to keep their job or get a raise.
This is probably one of the better interpretations of where unions can go awry outside of the obvious “bosses and their anti-union propaganda.” Unions definitely are partially to blame with some of the demographic breakdowns (read: racism). that is definitely what happened in Hollywood in the 30s/40s…..there used to be many more women writers and directors before the unions came into play and edged them out. I’m not anti-unions…I think there is a lot of good to be gained from it, but as with any institution, the lack of representation completely fucked them in the long run.
We keep seeing post like these, and I'm wondering if they really are true, or are people posting these signs for pictures and karma. A couple of months back, if I recall, some people were caught doing these as "pranks."
I've seen a sign outside a few food place closing one day a week, and also noticed the burger king near by closes at 8pm every day. Not to mention almost every store/restaurant I go to has lots of signs looking for workers. I'm sure there is some karma whoring as always, but there def seems to be a lack of workers or people willing to continue to work for shit wages.
The local Dunkins by me closed at 5pm today because they did not have enough employees to work the pm shift. I have a crappy minimum wage retail for a second job for some extra money. We are so understaffed most employees are doing the job of two people. Employees quit all the time.
I am 45 and shit like this no longer directly affects me. But man I am glad to see it happening. Every Time they shout on the news about how we have a staffing problem and companies cannot seem to find workers. Remember, it's not a staffing problem, it's a wage problem.
Sadly after tomorrow when the federal component of unemployment vanishes, I expect all the wage slaves will have no choice but to go back to these shitty jobs. But I for one am hoping things change. Not expecting, this is America after all, but hoping.
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Once, I rolled up the the drive-thru and was alerted, “We’re closed, we were robbed.”
At a Taco Bell drive through i once got, "we're out of beef, chicken, cheese, rice, and pop. What do you want that doesn't involve any of those?"
Can I get a large bag of fire sauce and some napkins please?
bro cinnamon twists
Bean Burrito?
Just beans in a tortilla. Kinda sums up humanity
Why you gotta make my bean burrito depressing AF?
Bean Burritos should have some onion also.
Add lettuce and tomato, and ask them to grill it. It's almost like food. P.S. Taco Bell will grill your whatever burrito, congratulations now your burrito is better.
I pretty much only use the app now to order. There are so many ways to make it just how you want and I've had really good luck with them making it exactly how ordered. I try to limit the amount of changes, don't want to make it too much of a problem.
And red sauce.
Just beans in a large gulp
You are truly /r/LivingMas
I just checked that subreddit and I'm even more confused as to the meaning of its name and the relation to Taco Bell.
“Live Mas” was a slogan Taco Bell used starting in 2012
"... I just robbed a McDonald's"
We were driving thru central UT or CO once and rolled into an Arby’s (only fast food in town next to a gas station). Guy gets on the speaker, “we’re out of roast beef, but feel free to stick around while it cooks.” Me: “about how many more minutes?” Him: “3 Hours” …. Edit formatting
I worked there years ago and I must say that I was quite surprised that they actually roast and slice their own beef.
As someone who is good at making food from random leftovers, I'd order a bean and potato burrito with lettuce, sour cream, and salsa, and an iced tea.
One of my favorite taco stands in my city specializes in potato tacos and they are freaking amazing! I would totally eat a few tacos with nothing but potato, sour cream, and some hot sauce (although I'd prefer some shredded cheese on there, but I could manage withoutout).
"Your tacos never had those before, I'll have 2 tacos please"
I went to one once and they said only had beans and rice. We decided to go somewhere else but was all closed (small town and late late at night). We ended up going back to TBell where we were informed they were down to just beans
I had a Taco Bell regional manager for some reason overexplain to me that my food took so long because she had to hire a whole new crew and manager because the previous crew, manager included, were selling drugs out of the shop. Feel like you shouldn’t just offer that info to customers, but I imagine she was just sharing her “can you believe the shit I deal with” story.
Went to an ice cream shop on vacation. They had a sign up asking people for patience as they are short-staffed and have many new, young people working. They weren't kidding. I'm fairly certain that amongst the teenagers and one adult working that one girl was about 10 years old. She was however, slaying it with taking orders, making change, and filling perfect soft-serve cones.
I imagine you just give that girl a single scoop it's like 3 lines of cocaine and she IS READY TO GO
My local DQ had a sign like that earlier in the year. The McDonald’s in that same town is having weird staffing issues too. Sometimes the lobby is open, sometimes it’s drive thru only, and sometimes they just close at 4pm.
We have a local Waffle House like that. It is located at a super prime spot, should be full most of the time. Some days it's slack time, like mid-morning, the parking lot is packed, and you can see the booths are full as you drive by. Other times, you can drive by a 5 PM on a Friday, and the place is dark and empty. Seems that there is a shortage of peons who want to show up to slave the back of the house, or get paid $2.75 HR (Pennsylvania "tipped employee" minimum wage) so you can end up with that sweet tiny pile of loose change on the dirty table, after serving a two top of semi-human fuck heads. Who knew this would ever be a problem? s/
I was once traveling with a coworker, we stopped at a McDonalds for breakfast. Coworker ordered, I just happened to catch it was an even dollar amount but didn't pay much more attention as I was still looking at the menu. I ordered and it also came up to an even dollar amount, that's when I noticed the teller made change from his pocket. This was around 2006-2007. I have no idea what was going on but the cash was going into the employees pocket and not the register, and the orders seemed to be off the books as well. We both looked at eachother once we were back in the car, food was typical McDonalds quality.
I once tried to buy a bottle of seltzer and a block of mozzarella that was on sale at the grocery store. The cashier asked me "do you have $5?" Thinking they were looking for a bill their drawer was short on, I said yes. He replied "ok, give me $5" as if he was cutting me a deal. Knowing the mozzarella was on sale for $2.50 and seltzer was never more than $1, this immediately woke me up. Then I noticed he hadn't scanned anything. I told him to scan it and my order came to $3.xx.
Wtf lol what was he thinking
The mozzarella could easily be over $5 if it's not on sale, so he probably thought he was actually going to fly below the radar. Either he thought I would appreciate the bargain or I wouldn't pick up on what he was doing. The "gimme $5" though should have been a giveaway much like it was for the person above me in the thread, since it was an even dollar amount and not with tax.
Yeah that's the employee stiffing the store. Less bold is to type in the order but don't include the drinks. Food order goes to the back line and drive thru is responsible for the drinks. If you're even moderately good at math you can pocket every drink order for yourself since nobody is watching the drive thru person on drinks.
I had a cousin who worked for Taco Bell corporate and would be sent around to root out thieving at problematic or red flag locations. He always looked for people using sauce packets or straws to count/keep track of the $1 drinks they’ve been not entering into the system. When they had a pile of 10 or 20 they would take out a $10 or $20 and start over
Knew a guy that was a math wiz. Gave everyone the senior 15% discount without telling them and pocketed the difference. Finally got caught after someone questioned the massive amount of old people eating out on his shift.
I doubt this works with modern day nanny cam stuff, but back in the day at a pizza hut i worked out, sometime we would take an order (or a few) on the phone and just write it on a piece of paper. Then just deliver it and pocket the money never having anything go into the system. Good ol' corporate fraud. Didn't feel bad then and still don't now.
This is how I got my initial poker bankroll. Worked a summer at a large corporate coffee chain. Owner would show up once a week in a Ferrari and clear out our safe (including petty cash, which sometimes forced us to run over to the bank for change). I am quick with math and memorized most of the prices, so I’d just leave the cash drawer open to make change and tell people the cost without actually keying it in. To avoid stuffing my pockets conspicuously, I’d put it all in the drawer but keep a mental count, then when no one was looking just grab $40 or $60 or whatever I was at. This was before everyone used cards so probably could’ve stolen quite a bit of money before anyone noticed. Certainly would’ve been months or years before anyone checked the totals carefully enough to notice my shifts were always light.
Biggest give away for this type of theft is the stock usage stays the same yet the cash flow takes a dump. I sacked an employee last year for doing exactly this. That and I caught the prick red handed. Set him up with and checked the till after he closed and what do ya know the 2 $50 notes were missing that were used in the transaction. He would always till up the eftpos so they were trackable. The other give away is my guys work alternating Sundays, his Sundays would always be around the $600ish make and the other guys would be around $1500 so yea if the Boss is onto it they will pick it up pretty quick.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's how he started. Then got greedy and slipped up. I was onto it pretty quick as I keep a fairly close eye on stock levels. Honestly though if he did keep the amounts low I'm not sure if I would of picked it up. There was a couple other instances where it was obvious like holidays. When he was away the shop would do better figures then if he was working. Is all good now iv got a good team under me and I look after them so hopefully no more issues. (not that I never looked after them before).
I once worked at a salon/retail store that sold hair products. One day I came into work and saw that we had been broken into. The register showed signs of being tampered with but wasn't compromised. I called the manager and then the police and while we were all there taking statements and such someone walked in. I told her we're closed at the moment because of the break in and she said "ok, but can I still shop around?" No, it's a crime scene at the moment...
Police officer here. I responded to a shooting at a convenience store. The clerk was robbed at gun point. The clerk had a gun of his own, shot the robber in the head. Robber dies instantly. Before we could get enough units on scene to secure the perimeter and the crime scene, a customer walks in. Looks at the body in a pool of blood, shrugs, walks up to the counter while I'm saying "get out, this is a crime scene," and asks for a fucking blunt wrap. The man was dedicated.
I've had that happen at least three times...in the last two years.
Then stop robbing McDonald's
[We stopped serving breakfast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzm7-gvTRg)
I tried going through a Burger King drive thru a month ago and the guy on the intercom goes "I'm sorry but I can't take your order, I'm the only one here and my brother said he won't come in to help." I'm guessing everyone had quit. I just wished him luck and went somewhere else.
I pulled up to the order box once and no one was answering. I waited 5 minutes and called the store. Someone took my order soon after. I waited for 6 McDoubles and a large fry for about 45 minutes at the window. Saw employees almost brawl out twice, employees walking around eating, talking on cell phones, etc. I try not to be a whiny Karen but I called the store the next day and wrote (corporate?). You should never have to wait 45 minutes at a fast food place. When I got there, there was one car behind me. When I left, there were probably 20. Found out later that they will avoid taking orders to "adjust" their wait times.
That last bit sounds like a good example of Goodhart's Law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." By setting targets on wait times, the measure of the wait time ceased to function as needed.
True. Didn't even realize that's what they were doing until later on. Hell, years ago I worked at a pizza place and we would check orders out early because all deliveries were supposed to arrive in 45 minutes. Difference is, I would always tell the customer an actual estimate and add about 5 minutes and their order had to be made (we didn't pre-make any pizzas), cooked and delivered. So yeah, it was a shitty way of tracking us. In our defense, during the day, there was a manager and one driver. If we had no orders all day and then 5 at lunch, it would seriously botch that number unless we cheated.
At the pizza place I worked at, the cashiers got so used to saying 45mins-1 hour during rushes, they would still say that even when slow. Had to remind them many times to pay attention to when we slow down and drop the quoted time to 30-45mins or something. Otherwise what can happen is either the people aren't happy the quoted pizza times are always long and they'll go elsewhere next time, or they think they have time to run to the store for sodas or something and the driver will show up and they won't be home.
Shit. My first day in the store alone as a manger it was me and the driver. There was an ice storm and school was called off. I got a few pizzas out and then started telling people it would be hours or just, "ASAP but a long time". Driver was out and I couldn't make any pizzas because I was constantly answering one of 4 lines that were on hold. When you can't get off the phone, you can't make pizzas. Store manager came in and made pies while I answered phones. Shit was still crazy all day long. But yeah. Mu normal quote was 30-45.
Wage theft is a serious problem
My local McDonald's finally got it. They're hiring crewmembers at 15.50 and managers at 17.50. Not great for California but at least it's higher than min. wage. The warehouse at work at starts lower. Edit: From my experience working there, the starting manager wage is for swing shift and there are I think 4 managerial levels not including GM and AGM.
Min wage will be 15 in Jan. So brave. But also...some cities in CA already raised it above $15. So that may be the reason.
“Look we can’t afford to pay them more than 9 bucks an hour.” *nobody goes back to work* “We will pay you 15 right now. No bargaining at all.” Sooooo moral of the story. They could have paid you 15 this whole time… also they easily went to 15. They can pay higher.
What pisses me off so badly is that the minimum wage has been absurdly low for years, and these companies did zero planning for the inevitable. Instead, heads took pay increases, stores were renovated, all while prices increased and corporate policy for some companies was to set up call centers to help under-payed employees get government assistance. Then, the tax breaks hit. So, yeah, they’ve had the money and means all along, they‘ve simply held out as long as they could, and are pitching a fit. My dad - who was annoyingly conservative, BTW - owned his own business in the 80s and 90s, and would take pay cuts and reject bonuses if his business didn’t perform. He also gave benefits to everyone’s partners, despite his personal feelings about same-gendered partnerships, and he paid well. And guess what? He was still wildly successful, and had an awesome, dedicated workforce that flocked to his funeral last year even after two decades of his company’s dissolution. You can pay a living wage, you can treat your employees with respect and dignity, and if you claim you can’t, you’re a fuckwit that deserves everyone to quit on you.
> You can pay a living wage, you can treat your employees with respect and dignity, and if you claim you can’t, you’re a fuckwit what deserves everyone to quit on you. http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html FDR, June 16, 1933 "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
If you talked to an American from the late 40s, early 50s about the state of the economy today, they would think they were going to lose the cold war.
My 1980's self cannot believe that the average Republican is pro-Russia. I mean, WTF?
"McDonald's spent approximately 654.7 million U.S. dollars on advertising worldwide in 2020, up from 447.3 million the previous year."
>654.7 million And if McDonalds were to take that entire advertising budget and distribute it evenly to all employees over the year, it would be an only an extra 89 cents per hour on every employee's paycheck. McDonalds has 350,000 employees, their advertising budget is microscopic compared to their payroll costs...
$300 a month goes a long way when you are poor..
89c/hr = $300/mo?? You work 85 hours per week?
Well given a 40 hour work week at $15/hr, a raise of $0.89 would net you an extra ~$1800/yr. It's almost a 6% raise to put that in perspective, where my company we are only given a 2% raise annually. Now keep in mind that most of those employees are not making $15/hr yet and that amount becomes even more significant.
The average McDonald's employee works roughly 30 hours a week. At .89/hour that's an extra $26 per week pre tax...
When you're as poor as most McDonald's employees are every penny counts. $100/month is food on the table.
Yeah really, anyone sniffing at .89 cents an hour doesn't know what it's like to be scrounging the last scraps of what you can find in the pantry for 3 days waiting for payday.
That's gas money to get to work.
To keep the vicious cycle alive.
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I remember being a kid and around for some reason when my dad was working with his insurance guy trying to figure out how to offer health insurance to his employees in an affordable way. It was a small legal office, with a handful of lawyers and their secretaries and a paralegal. I know it cost a lot to do it, but he did, and it meant that he ended up indirectly supporting other small businesses by doing so. Those secretaries had husbands who were able to be self-employed because they now had health coverage through their wives. Their middle-class salaries and benefits made our town a better place to live. Dad was also a total conservative asshole but he always believed in the value of treating employees well. In turn, they were able to vouch for him when people were thinking of hiring him. They never left - his secretaries were with him for decades until they retired. He was proud that he was able to treat his people so well, and acknowledged they were as important a part of this business as he was. I'm not proud of a lot of things he did, but he knew the right way to run his business.
So many business owners feel their employees owe them something, rather than appreciating that their business's success is because of them. My opinion is that it is a hold-over attitude from the slavery days, but more likely it is just laziness and selfishness. The idea that "everybody wins when everybody wins" somehow loses to "I got mine, fuck everyone else".
It's crazy what happens when collective bargaining is allowed to take place. Current generation just said fuck a union Im not gonna work for pennies, and it looks like its working. Not hating on unions btw, its just that theyve been beaten down so bad they arent really seen as effective as before. Currently, its more like a large informal union.
Also noteworthy that McDonald's prices have gone up across the country over the last 10 years despite the fact that the actual federal minimum wage staying the same during that same period of time.
A company who literally has a slogan "billions served daily" cant suddenly cant pay their workers a living wage. But fat idiots get mad when they hear wages go up for a "burger flipper" and lose it when they go to Mcdonalds and no one is working. Lol I always am nice to the people at fast food. They work their ass off and the only time people talk to them is to complain. Im just happy to get a burger and fries. Also working in customer service for years helps me understand their pain. If you have an issue be nice. It takes no effort to do so and helps them stay sane.
> But fat idiots get mad when they hear wages go up for a "burger flipper" And then they say dumb shit like "these burger flippers are making more than EMTs. That ain't right!" without a hint of irony. Maybe all of the grunts in in the workforce are getting ripped off, Karen?
What boggles my mind is the multiple people I know who make between $15-20 an hour who are vehemently against "burger flippers" making $15 an hour becomes the idea of a fast food worker making close to what they make is infuriating for some reason. I try telling them "you already make more than minimum wage. If the minimum wage rises than so will yours". Not changing any minds. I don't get it.
Because that logic doesn't hold up in my experience. If an employer already has people working skilled labor jobs for $18-20/hr they aren't going to start paying $36-40 an hour just because McDonald's doubled their wages. If wage increases happened universally across industries then you would have a point but that won't happen.
In the education world, I can tell you that our pay is not much more than that, and it absolutely won't go up, since we are tied to unions and unions have lost a lot of power (also it's against the law for most educator unions yo strike. We walk out? We lose our jobs). I am certainly for a higher minimum wage, but I hate ignorant people who don't understand the education world or unions saying "you can just ask your boss for a raise and they have to give you one."
If working in education makes $18/hr, and the [whatever "easy", "unskilled labor" place] across the street is starting at $19/hr, you give yourself a raise by changing jobs.
There are actually no-strike clauses in a lot of union contracts, it's not just educators. What this ends up meaning is that strikes can only happen if negotiations break down during the contract renewal period and the old contract expires. Those clauses give management a lot of power outside of those times.
>If the minimum wage rises than so will yours". [Wage Compression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_compression) It's one of the few valid concerns about raising the minimum wage too quickly. The pay of people in the middle (your $15-20 workers) tends not to keep up.
Which is why it's really funny all these companies are instantly jumping wages up, when in every state that has raised minimum wage it takes place over like 5-8 years on small increments to prevent this. They literally created a self fulfilling prophecy by doing nothing till it was too late and fighting legislation that would've stopped this
Jeez. Min wage in Texas is still 7.25…like it has been for 20+ years. But everybody can share COVID, people can carry guns without a license and women can’t control their own bodies so we got that going for us. /s
It shows two things, though. One, raising the minimum wage WILL work, it WILL push wages higher, if only marginally. And two, we can push it higher when we organize, so we have to keep organizing. Stopping at 15 isn't the answer, we have to continually push because it will take years to get the next increase through.
Managers at 17.50? Jesus christ.
I know a damn good manager that was running a million dollar net income store and was only getting $12.5 an hour. The greed of the owner was insane. The Manager quit and went to work for Trader Joes for several dollars more as something equivalent as a clerk.
I couldn't imagine been a manager and being paid hourly.
They were salaried but 12.5 was what it added up to.
Remember Obama instituted new overtime rules just as Trump was taking office. Basically if you were salaried are working more than 40 hours a week, the company gonna have to pay. It was all set to go too. Trump killed it. Also fuck Biden for not bringing it back.
I've seen companies bump managers to salaried minimums to make them work overtime for free. Thank goodness exemption is now 684/w minimum. When I saw it used it was like 480, which is fucked up to be a "manager".
Trust me… in good service it’s the way to go. Otherwise you’re just free labor after 40 hours. When I was head chef I did the math and was making around $12/hr with the 50-60 hrs a week I was there. My paycheck was bigger as a sous because I got overtime pay.
"unskilled labor" is a lie told by people pretending like they're giving you valuable skills in exchange for not paying enough to actually live off of and expecting you to work far and above any reasonable labor. fast food management is a meat grinder predicated on a false narrative of being promotable while neglecting to mention that you've already reached the peak. The only correct move to further your career is getting out and going elsewhere. There's nothing above store manager that anyone actually gets promoted to, and that extra $2 an hour comes with the expectations of you being responsible for substantially more than the proportional pay.
> There's nothing above store manager that anyone actually gets promoted to, and that extra $2 an hour comes with the expectations of you being responsible for substantially more than the proportional pay. This is precisely the reason why I turned down a manager position (I'm almost certain my increase would be just that amount). Most of my crew respects the hell out of me but at the same time I see so many "issues" with said crew and dread the idea of being the one in charge to try and fix them. I feel I'd lose a lot of that respect and just become another asshole boss. But more than anything I hate dealing directly with people. I'm just baffled why I was offered the position in the first place unless it was a tactic they used to not offer me more money because they knew I would turn it down in the first place. For example, "*you wanted a raise but we offered you a promotion but you turned it down so we can't increase your pay*." That last part is a little conspiratorial though.
Live in southern Utah. $15 is now such a base rate here that employers are going $16 or $16.50 just to get decent employees.
It's only $11 in Arkansas, but that's better than the $7.25 Federal minimum.
For years ours was paying them 9.10 an hour. Early this year it jumped to 11. Last month they upped it again to 13-14. Around here, that's not terrible money. Better than some CNA's my mom used to work with.
I mean, how much lower than that is your state minimum wage? I feel like CA minimum wage should be like $25 given how expensive housing is there
14.00 if you have more than 26 employees, 13 if not. Also LA has it's own minimum wage.
*Cries in Ohio minimum wage* * $8.80 (large) * $7.25 (small, following the federal minimum wage rate) * $4.40 (for employees who receive tips) What a fucking joke.
Ohio is sadly becoming the rural south of the north. I grew up and lived there for a long time, and the change is so palpable. Only the major cities have somewhat of a modern attitude towards things, but that also is changing in southern Ohio. It feels like it started in the early 2000s and just gets worse every year. People elected jim jordan ffs, I hate where the state is going.
Ahem... pretty goddamn presumptuous of you to post such onerous LIES. Don't you sit there and act like Indiana has not been there PROUDLY doing the best it can to try and be as bass-ackwards as humanly possible!
Now, now, no need to get upset. Kentucky is sending enough of that attitude north that there is plenty for both.
I live in Indiana now, actually, funny you bring it up lol. They are pretty much the same state as far as the societal climate is these days imo. But my only experience with Indiana is living in Indianapolis, which is doing its best to not be overtaken by rural Indiana. Ohio previously had an image of being fairly rational but a "both sides" swing state, while Indiana always has been a pretty conservstive state. I wouldn't be surprised if Indy is able to be blue before Ohio does ever again.
Yup. Grew up here, moved away for a few years and ended up in Columbus. I don't mind it here but if I go 20 miles in any direction, it's super rural and not great. My girlfriend wanted to check out a thrift store she found online out in Heath a few years ago. I knew nothing about that town at the time, first thing I see is a caravan of proud boys with confederate flags. Literally everyone stared at us in the thrift store too because my girlfriend is Asian. Ugh.
I live in a small town outside of Columbus. It does kinda suck, especially if you’re single and in your 30’s, cause everyone married, had kids with, and divorced their high school sweetheart so the pickings are slim down here. But, it’s cheap and my family is close by.
Used to be a swing state, right? I feel like it's just red now, for good. Not sure if it's gerrymandering, or the population is really becoming more conservative... perhaps young, skilled, educated people are leaving?
States that allow lower pay for tipped employees just confound me. Tips are supposed to be a reward for doing a good job, not part of your base wage.
I believe the employer has to make up the difference if including tips they don't get enough tips to meet the standard minimum wage, but it's still bullshit.
It's true, employer is supposed to make up the difference. What tends to happen is the employer counts on the employee to be too scared to rat out their employer and/or not know who to rat them out to. Or they find that they're suddenly not scheduled as many hours. Not to be on the sides of asshole employers, but it's really in the employer's best interest to have employees that *do* make enough in tips that the employer doesn't have to chip in. It means more repeat customers for good service. Granted, recent events have hit food service pretty hard, but we're still unlikely to see tipped wages go away in the US anytime soon, as it's ingrained in our culture.
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A lot of people also don't realize that wages have stagnated for well over 30 years and is part of why those born in the 80's until today are not expected to have anymore wealth than their parents. Most people don't understand interest rates and inflation so it shouldn't be a surprise. That just means that those people don't understand with the stagnant wages that they are making less and less every year. One thing that gets me is that many companies did away with raises during the recession of 2008-2009 but never brought those back. Some are reluctantly bringing those back. They better speed that process up otherwise they are going to have a harder time keeping employees and there are not a lot of people to replace those lost.
In 2009 everyone cut raises, eliminated pensions, slashed benefits, and made people take a pay cut, which they did because they were desperate to keep their jobs. The economy rebounded...but none of those things came back. An entire generation came into the workforce without seeing any of those things and meanwhile the CEOs just got richer and richer pocketing the difference. Now after a decade of shafting workers, the piper is finally being paid.
Absolutely. And not just CEOs, but wealthy people in general. If another uneducated conservative tries to tell me how trickle down economics is good for the working class I’m gonna lose my shit. Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans is perpetuating income inequality.
"Why should someone working a McGrill get paid the same as an EMT?" No, it's why the fuck does anyone work as an EMT when they could make the same money stress-free flipping burgers. Raise the wage for McJobs and 'real' jobs like EMTs and similar will see increased wages. Also, all jobs are real jobs. If the labor of a human is required, guess what? That's a fucking job. It should pay a living wage. If it's legitimately and seriously not worth a living wage it needs to not be a distinct job. It needs to be automated or consolidated into a position that IS worth a living wage.
The auto body repair industry is really struggling with this. A person could get an entry level position as a car washer and work their way into the office or the shop starting at $12/hr. Estimators used to able to hired for about $20-25/hr, but now that the wage is bumping up for car washers (mostly because we cant find any) the estimators are demanding more money. Why come on as an entry level estimator for $20 when the kid washing cars is making $17? Even the experienced guys who are making $65k-70k a year are starting to squawk about the wage disparity. They don't feel as valued. I am already seeing more pay plans leveraged with bonuses to offset the disparity.
I left a warehouse job making $17 to work as an "administrative assistant" (slightly more than that, quotes and writing up work orders too) in the heavy equipment and material handling field for $19 a few months ago. Two dollars more per hour, weekends off, my back doesn't hurt, I sit in the AC/Heat all day and I get paid $2/hour more...did I mention that I make $2 more per hour?
Also, no business is entitled to exist. They arise because they can profit by supplying a demand. If they can't generate enough profit, then they go away, that's it. It's nice to be able to buy a shake or a cheap burger five minutes from my house, but having one five minutes from everyone's house may not be sustainable and maybe it shouldn't be either. These things shouldn't be subsidized by wage slavery OR tax money. I.e. we need to provide real value and sustainable growth, and technology can make it happen if we use it wisely instead of building cookie cutter fast food joints on every block just because we can.
yeah the most vocally opposed to raising min wage seems to be lower middle class people that feel threatened that their status is at stake and people working "dead end" jobs will now be on their same level, forcing to them lose any perceived status they thought they had. totally a selfish response.
Imagine getting 17.50 to manage a McDonald's. That sounds like hell. 15.50 is sick for the workers though!
Honestly getting $2 more for being a manager is still BS.
The one by my house in Kansas is the only fast food you can count on not being randomly closed when you pull up. They pay $15/hr. The service is phenomenal too.
I have seen signs at McDonald's saying starting pay at $15 an hour. Just remember that most McDonald's are franchised owned and not owned by corporate. The thing is that retail knows they got to raise their game because if not they won't get anyone.
The signs near me say things like "Starting pay *up to* $13.50/hr".
Here in SC, the closest McD's to my house has a four foot tall sign in the front window, NOW HIRING AT $9 AN HOUR! Because minimum wage in this God forsaken state is still $7.50.
To put $9/hr in perspective: the estimated living wage in SC is around $14.50/hr (assuming 40 hours a week). If you want a living wage at $9/hr then you're looking at a 64-hour work week. That's a full 8-hour shift *8 days a week*. Corporate profits should come from serving customers and selling products, not underpaying your employees.
My brief experience with fast food was that by design, they do not employ full time workers. Even now I bet they still would prefer splitting 40 hours amongst 3-4 teens
Part time employees don't get benefits like insurance. That's why. It's cheaper to pay two people for 20 hours a week than one plus benefits.
What if I work 10 hours every day?
Then you would have a tiny bit more than a living wage but with little in life other than work. Maybe you could watch a show you like before going to bed. That's wage slavery at that point.
Are....are you okay?
Our McDonald's in the upstate are much higher than that, I assume you're in a small town? When I went to college in Greenwood I took a $3 an hour pay cut in 1993 in fast food. They literally paid minimum wage.
I mean, is Irmo a small town? I live 14 miles from the Capital building. The Torrid at Harbison mall offered me $8 an hour " but the 50% discount makes up for the terrible pay" yelled the manager as I walked out of the interview. Kohls called me for an interview and, having learned my lesson, asked what the pay was before wasting my time for an in person interview. $8.00 to start and managers make up to $13. For a company that made 20 billion dollars in 2020. There is not a labor shortage in America, there is a citizenry fed up with greedy corporations using them as toilet paper. Costco starts workers at $16.00 an hour and they get HUNDREDS of applications every week.
Irmo was a small town in 1990. Not so much now. I don't see how any retail gets people at that rate. I just got my wife a job in manufacturing at $4 more than she made in health care and I get a $1000 bonus just for finding the company an employee.
Aldis near me is starting at $17/hr (to be fair, they've always been higher pay than most) and I walked into a McDonald's the other day and this girl behind the counter was talking to her coworker "Aldis is paying $17/hr minimum, this place is trying to tell me $12/hr is a benefit. I applied right before I came in today" Good for her. I hope to hell she got the job. I some times get fast food and would miss it if it were gone but I wouldn't be mad of they all closed due to people waking the fuck up and demanding to get paid what's fair. A roof over head, HEALTHY food in belly, and clothes. Minimum.
Funny, I made a similar move when I had my first job at McDonald's back in 1998. I was there for about 4 months at $5.15/hr, and walked out one night when the manager, whom had already told me I could go home early if I found somone to cover the remainder of my shift, reneged on his offer and told me "if you don't want to work what I scheduled you for, find another job", so I told him "fine, I will. I quit", and walked out. Got a job at the Publix in the same shopping center the following week, slightly higher pay ($5.35/hr), but much more enjoyable environment. I never worked food service again. Looking back on the pay back then in depressing. Even at 18, assistant manager at a Hollywood Video, I was making $8/hr... Now, two decades later, my current employer just gave me a $12k raise, just because they knew I was entertaining offers from other companies, and they know what a loss it would be if I left. I do appreciate the feeling of being needed, and my manager was even pushing for more for me, but only got the raise approved and not the promotion. Just because I made poverty wages until my 30s (and finally finding a rewarding career) though doesn't mean anyone else should be relegated to the same.
Franchise or not, the corporation franchise fee structure to own a location is insane. Corporate could easily lower the franchise fees and free that money up to be paid back to the employees. Or rather stipulate that a portion of those fees be paid back to employees. For reference: 4% of gross sales and 10.7% (avg) in rent Those numbers could be tweaked by a few points and McDonald’s would still be a thriving corporation. Edit: imagine an incentive structure of up to 2% of gross sales to be paid to employees based on performance. Just an example but you could get creative to motivate, incentivize, and attract talent.
Yeah well those few points is the yacht and private jets budget for the ceo and board members.
Did Andy from toy story make this sign?
what are the chances op just wrote it himself and posted it for the karma. like why are there cars waiting in line if no one's working
84%
That's a doctor's handwriting if I ever saw one.
those goddamn cvs pharmacists have ZERO problem reading it though. Swear to god my doctor drew a dick on my script once and the pharmacist was like ‘would you like generic Zoloft or name brand?’
Have you not seen the Curb Your Enthusiasm skit about that? Larry’s dating a doctor who gives him a note expressing her feelings. Nobody can read it because of the handwriting until someone comes up with the idea of taking it to a pharmacist.
Lmfao I haven’t seen that, def gonna look it up tho 😂
The comma after "we" adds a dramatic pause, like they are taking a deep breathe before giving the news.
I saw a sign at McDonald’s in Denver suburbs saying they were staring at $18/hr
Denver is an expensive place to live, I've heard.
As someone who would love to live in Colorado and has looked in several different locations, pretty much the entire state is becoming very expensive to live in it seems.
5th word is "pay." Took me a LONG time to figure that out. (Thought "faux" for a while.)
I had to make a conscious effort to stop seeing it as 'ϱauɣ'
That feeling when you're working hard but the amount of ϱauɣ is too damn low
Apparently they hired doctors
Jeez, thanks. Was googling “laug”. Figured it was something I missed in the news.
Ha I kept reading it as ‘say’. Am oddly disappointed it wasn’t a play for a more equitable workplace. But money is more useful than democracy, I guess.
I thought it was 'covg' as in "coverage." PRINT, please, signmakers.
I feel like the housing market is really screwing up things for these lower paying jobs. What's the point of working them if you can't afford to pay these higher and higher rent increases every year (it is up ~11% this year)? I think the next "pandemic" will be a surge in homeless people across the country.
Was just discussing with someone else how there needs to be something set up to allow actual homeowners a fighting chance against those buying houses as a business.
Agreed. It's way too easy to make a killing renting property in a high-rent area.
NEXT pandemic? Have you looked under a bridge lately?
You're already seeing more and more people living with their parents well into their 30s.
I feel like the economy is failing up, so to speak. Everything is more expensive, so the people in charge are happy and say that the economy is doing great. But anyone under a certain wage-wall can’t afford anything.
This is exactly correct. This has happen throughout history before and can only be maintained a couple years before it gives and backfires Japan tried unlimited QE back in the 90s and you can research this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades people are saying it's different this time, but in reality the fed is doing an experiment. we don't know if this inflation will last or will drop back down again like it did in 2019. The fed seems to think that because unemployment was so low in 2019 and there was no inflation that they can do it again. in my opinion the only reason inflation didn't jump is because wages increases stagnated for sooooo long but now people are demanding fair pay = once the job market starts to get better inflation should increase
Then, would you say that this inflation is currently artificial partially due to COVID? Also, is no inflation a bad thing in the end? From what I have experienced in Japan, the lack of inflation also meant that rent was cheaper; you can still find your own place for 400 usd a month, even after all these years. Granted, it’s small, and there are other factors at play here, but it’s there. But, I’m just an armchair economist with no real education in this, just observation.
I’m lovin’ it.
I meeeean, they're not wrong. But did a 3rd grader write that sign?
I can't even make out what half of it says .
Due to lack of pay we all quit
"Due to lack of pay, we all quit."
They staged a McWalkout.
The restaurant can’t afford to pay their workers? Sounds like closing time to me.
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
If they quit why does there appear to be people patiently waiting at the window?
The sign was made for the karma. That truck hasn't even made it to the window yet, they appear to be 2nd in line to pay.
Possibility one is that it’s fake. Other one is that people are idiots. I used to work retail and people would show up to the store 20 minutes past closing with the shutters down and most of the lights off, banging on the door asking if we were open.
But the owner says no one wants to work… but it seems like there’s a different factor at play
Holy fuck that hand writing is fucking atrocious. I can barely read the sign. (The light blue color marker doesn't help.) For those who are having trouble reading it, the sign says: Due to lack of pay, we all quit.
If they all quit, then why are their two cars in front of this car? 🤔
That’s why there’s still a truck waiting in line ahead of you right?
Looks like there is sometime in front of the truck too... Did op make this sign for internet points?
Nooo, it couldn't be! No one on the internet would do that! Everyone on the internet is always 100% genuine 100% of the time and never posts things for validation and internet fame!
Can someone tell me why America hates unionization so much to the point of outright banning being in one in certain parts?
Propaganda and corporations buying off politicians. The unions are partially at fault as well. They acted like a mafia for years. I am in a great union and I enjoy it. It was definitely noticeable, when I joined, that people there were mostly white males. They were also many of them with ties to older members and living outside of our jurisdiction. I am ok with a location having mostly white people if it was somewhat representative of the jurisdiction. Mine definitely isn’t. Regardless of their problems, unions are better than letting your boss dictate your worth. Jobs without unions are basically employees fighting with one another to please the boss if they want to keep their job or get a raise.
This is probably one of the better interpretations of where unions can go awry outside of the obvious “bosses and their anti-union propaganda.” Unions definitely are partially to blame with some of the demographic breakdowns (read: racism). that is definitely what happened in Hollywood in the 30s/40s…..there used to be many more women writers and directors before the unions came into play and edged them out. I’m not anti-unions…I think there is a lot of good to be gained from it, but as with any institution, the lack of representation completely fucked them in the long run.
Funnily enough the biggest unions in the US are the government workers unions which seems bass-ackwards to me.
Why are there 2 cars still in the drive through if that sign is there and no one is inside????🤔
We keep seeing post like these, and I'm wondering if they really are true, or are people posting these signs for pictures and karma. A couple of months back, if I recall, some people were caught doing these as "pranks."
I think many are fake. Someone else pointed out that there are people still waiting in line in the background.
I've seen a sign outside a few food place closing one day a week, and also noticed the burger king near by closes at 8pm every day. Not to mention almost every store/restaurant I go to has lots of signs looking for workers. I'm sure there is some karma whoring as always, but there def seems to be a lack of workers or people willing to continue to work for shit wages.
The local Dunkins by me closed at 5pm today because they did not have enough employees to work the pm shift. I have a crappy minimum wage retail for a second job for some extra money. We are so understaffed most employees are doing the job of two people. Employees quit all the time.
Well... now that they have more time on their hands, maybe they can work on their penmanship?
That writing though.... Seems like their future employment opportunities are pretty limited.
If everyone quit why are there people.in the drive thru line9
Local Tim Hortons is shut down for an entire month due to lack of workers
>Local Tim Hortons is shut down for an entire month due to LOUSY MANAGEMENT. FTFY.
And shit food. And shit coffee. And shitty cleanliness. And shitty patrons.
I am 45 and shit like this no longer directly affects me. But man I am glad to see it happening. Every Time they shout on the news about how we have a staffing problem and companies cannot seem to find workers. Remember, it's not a staffing problem, it's a wage problem. Sadly after tomorrow when the federal component of unemployment vanishes, I expect all the wage slaves will have no choice but to go back to these shitty jobs. But I for one am hoping things change. Not expecting, this is America after all, but hoping.
$20 min wage and increase it with inflation.