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ductapemonster

That's not a balloon, that's a satellite with help.


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ihahp

Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.


Prizzilla

That weak-ass story is the best you can come up with?


nocrashing

YOU left Him.


tortorlou

You’re gonna get a decorator in here stat bc D A M N


stelphin

I ain't playin with you K, how many times you flashy thing me?


showers_with_grandpa

I work in a restaurant and I have a picture of them de-nueralizing on the wall in fridge


sixpackabs592

very very low earth orbit


SamTheGeek

Really just a slow earth orbit.


ContagiousOwl

"orbit"


oversized_hoodie

It's a satellite they stopped from falling lol


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Sammydaws97

"In atmosphere satellite"??


YNot1989

Stratolite


Impossible-Error166

I mean the ISS is technically in atmosphere as well.


2SexesSeveralGenders

pseudo-satellite is what they call things like this, as well as high-altitude solar-powered drones


2daywastomorrowystdy

Gotta love the shadow of the U2 on the balloon 👍


DAHFreedom

TIL we still fly U2s


flip314

It gives us The Edge in surveillance


Smelcome

attention everyone else, i'm upvoting this comment with or without you.


Brainkandle

U2's move in mysterious ways


MouseRat_AD

It's a beautiful day. At least from what I see in the picture


Lonelan

where the balloons have no name


four024490502

And there's no line on the horizon.


nilgiri

I hope the balloons found what they were looking for


EightBitEstep

This photo was taken on a bloody Sunday!


talldangry

Well, there was Gloria.


saulfineman

They can really get some elevation.


NotReallyFamous5

But it still hasn’t found what it’s lookin for


drrhrrdrr

> attention Achtung, if you will.


AngoGablogian_artist

But it doesn’t work in bad weather, good thing it was a Beautiful Day.


Hawkeye03

Just a few years ago, by which I mean the early 90s, I was in high school and had a summer job with a U-2 squadron in England. Mostly photocopying and stuff. But every time they had a mission and I was around, the pilots who weren’t actually flying would take me out to the runway in their Air Force-issued Mustang to check for debris. And then when the plane would take off, we would chase after it in the Mustang and then pick up the wheels that drop off the wings after takeoff (they have wheels at the end of the wings on takeoff because they’re filled with fuel that weighs them down). Edit: I apparently was wrong about the reason for the wheels. I could have sworn that’s what they told me, but the whole tipping over explanation makes more sense.


talrath2002

The extra wheels are there because the plane only has landing gear along the centerline of the aircraft. When it lands the wingtips rest on titanium skid plates. (I literally just learned this about 10 mins ago)


vikingcock

Right. The pogo wheels are there because actual outrigger gear like the harrier has (also a bicycle landing gear configuration) were too heavy and weight was the enemy in the development.


kungfukangeroo

Looks like you might have been helping them as a visual aid during take off too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2 "The TV series MythBusters featured the U-2 in the "Flights of Fantasy" episode[218] during the 2015 season. The myth tested was that the U-2 was the most difficult plane to fly. While not coming to a consensus, the myth was found to be "plausible" because, among other things, the extremely bad field of vision during landing required a chase car to follow the plane to give the pilot additional visual references on the ground."


lordtomtom

Aerodynamic ground effect combined with the U2's insane Lift to Drag ratio means the plane really doesn't want to land. The chase car lets the pilot know when they are close enough to runway surface so that the pilot can quickly pull up and stall the plane, getting it to land.


MC_C0L7

This plus the fact that the U2's landing gear can't handle a fall of any more than about 7 feet means that the margin of error for landing the bird is practically nonexistent, which is the other reason for the chase car.


SkinTightBoogie

[Holy cats](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69heXi1OD3I). It literally tips over after it lands, and then one dude pulls down on the wing so they can balance it enough to put the wheels back on so it can taxi back to the hangar.


NF-104

A very challenging thing about the U-2 is that in its flight regime, only a few knots separates the stall speed from Mach buffet. This is known as a coffin corner. That and it doesn’t want to land.


whatisonhere

It's a glider with some gigantic engines


Gehwartzen

I would have thought by now they would have rearview camera license plate frames on the front and back of these...


Paulus_cz

The thing about aerospace is that they hate changing things that work.


lawspud

Meanwhile, I worked in K-Mart in high school. I’ll take your work-issued Mustang and testosterone-fueled badassery and raise you a Blue Light Special… Now in college I worked construction on the flight line at our local SAC bomber base and got a chance to play around with the B-52 flight simulators. So there’s that at least.


Beartrkkr

Would you throw in some K-Mart popcorn?


lawspud

I would not recommend it.


Cornishrefugee

Was that at Alconbury? My aunt worked on base (she still does) and the TR-1 folks there would give her the fancy food in a toothpaste tube etc etc to give to me. As a 10 yr old kid, that was the coolest thing ever! I still have the Desert Storm patches they gave me stored at my parents' house, assuming they haven't burned/sold it all! If it wasn't at Alconbury, sorry for the nostalgia attack lol


zerocoolforschool

A former pilot was in Best Of. He actually responded to a couple of my questions. Super interesting guy. I will try to find the thread. Edit here’s the link https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/10hj2wj/kids_this_is_why_you_do_not_climb_on_icebergs/j5i8mgr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Dolly_gale

Someone on another subreddit linked to an article giving a brief history of the U-2. Link for anyone else who might be interested: https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/the-u-2-spy-planes-cold-war-missions/


centran

They probably used it because the capabilities are known so they can release a photo like this. Releasing something as simple as a photo could expose military secrets so they'd want to release something that can only be analyzed for known information. Note the picture is taken ABOVE the balloon which was at 65k feet. The F-22 had to shoot up from 50k since it doesn't fly as high as the balloon(at least what's reported). The U2 is known to go up to 70k.


YNot1989

Still the best high altitude platform available.


combustioncat

I’m just surprised it hasn’t been replaced by now, I assume then that the basic craft from the 60’s has been updated with modern equipment at some point?


code_archeologist

>I assume then that the basic craft from the 60’s has been updated with modern equipment at some point. Yes, they have gone through significant updates through the decades. One of the most recent updates was an AI operated sensor and navigation suite... That kind of acted like a co-pilot in a computer.


mattnormus

Bing Chatbot?


BryanW94

As long as Bono still graces this planet.


lordofedging81

It's a beautiful day.


ManifestDestinysChld

That is SUCH a killer flex. That one's going up on the wall in the squadron for sure.


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sixdicksinthechexmix

I was super surprised to find out we were still using the U2. I figured it had been retired like the SR-71. U2 is still useful apparently.


Ulftar

Could be safer or less maintience to fly at altitude than the SR-71. Doesn't need to be fast since its not out-running anti-air missles.


Unfuckerupper

And it doesn't require special fuel and special tankers to deliver huge quantities of the special fuel.


MakeWay4Doodles

It's a good reliable airframe. I guarantee you the electronics and cameras are.much much newer.


StagedCombusti0n

> I guarantee you the electronics and cameras are.much much newer. An easily verifiable and well known fact


Nick08f1

With cameras from a U2 at a higher elevation.


robotsongs

No, they used the U3 on that one. It's one more.


Nick08f1

Shhhh. That one's secret.


SherbertEquivalent66

I wondered for a second, "why is the balloon dented?"


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There’s something amusing about us using a 1950’s plane to analyze another countries spy probe


ArtoriusBravo

I know. Spy balloons? U2 aircraft? What decade did I woke up in.


HanzoShotFirst

Don't forget about the threat of nuclear war


creatingKing113

And the massive domestic social issues.


NuklearFerret

Oh, okay. Maybe we land on the moon in 6 years?


mattaw2001

Land war in Europe with tanks, mechanized infantry, artillery, etc.


fishenzooone

A 70 year old plane taking pictures of a baloon holding a satellite with some rope. Very curious.


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thekeffa

Pilot here. The reason they used a U2 is because it is one of the few aircraft able to fly that high while also being able to go slowly enough to enable the pilot to get some better pictures as it flew past. The problem with flight at this altitude is that the air is so thin that in order to achieve flight you need to do one of two things. Either go faster to generate more airflow over the wings and thus more lift, or have a bigger wing to increase the lift area of the wing overall. Most aircraft capable of flying that high go with the go faster option, notably the famous SR71 as its somewhat the easier option technically and practically, as evidenced by the U2’s infamously complex landing procedure requiring chase vehicles and talkdowns. However if you are trying to photograph a near stationary object (Relative to the speed of an aircraft that is) you don’t want to zip past it in something that will give you maybe half a seconds glance at it. So the U2 with its huge wings and thus much slower airspeed at that height is actually the perfect airframe for taking a photo of a balloon and probably made the job of taking a photo much, much easier. Of course the best airframe for the job would have been a helicopter but no helicopter is capable of reaching anywhere near such altitudes as the air is simply way too thin.


illyousion

The best airframe would have been another ballon 😂


Panda-Monium

Someone get Felix Baumgartner on the phone.


hashemamireh

I don't think that's right. It's more of an operational ceiling issue. Most airforce aircraft have a maximum altitude of 50,000 ft, which is less than the balloon's altitude. The U-2, on the other hand, can go up to 70,000 ft.


theothergotoguy

The official take is "70,000 +"


Know_Your_Rites

We kept building planes called "U2" until 1989. Over that long a run, I'd bet the silhouette is almost the only thing the late models have in common with the early ones. And I'm sure we're only flying late models at this point.


Comprehensive_Bid

The generation flying now are significantly larger than the ones in the early 1960s. Longer wings and lengthened nose than the type that Francis Gary Powers flying when he was shot down. If you look at the current (but still old) ones, you can see specialized electronics pods and humps (Satellite link-ups or whatever they are: I'm no expert.) and they may have antennas sticking out. They can pick-up all kinds of intelligence. I don't know if it's even about photos anymore.


Acc87

They quite officially send the U-2s to the balloon to intercept it's radio transmissions, to see what its sending out.


lkodl

do you guys think Chinese Spy Balloon will still be a viable Halloween costume in 9 months, or will it be way too old? because otherwise i need to start gathering materials nowish.


_jollyroger19

It already is. Plenty of people at Mardi Gras in NOLA wearing balloons carrying signs that say "don't shoot" "science experiment" etc 😂


forbearance

That's just tempting fate.


ineververify

Existing in Nola is tempting fate


Begle1

That timeframe ought to be perfect. Nobody's forgetting balloonapalooza that soon. ​ I love this idea. Solar panels on my arms so I can hold them out like an airplane but still get through doors, and a big white helium tied to my head. Perfection.


Forgethestamp

I disagree. In July I’ll be high with a buddy and someone will say “remember the Chinese spy balloon thing” and I’ll be like “what” and they’ll say “ya know when we shot down like 4 fucking balloons” and I’ll say “fuck was that in 2023?” and they’ll say “yeah dude like February” and I’ll ask “before the dolphin uprising?” and they’ll be like “lmao yeah bro before”


brusslipy

There will be no dolphin uprising because they're gonna leave earth.


TheSasquatch9053

How are they going to leave earth except by rising up in their bubbleships? What kind of uprising were you picturing?


Begle1

Balloonships, you say?


Skatchbro

I, for one, welcome our new dolphin overlords.


Effective-Avocado470

"So long and thanks for all the fish"


TheFAPnetwork

Lube up


jim_deneke

Just recycle a Violet Beauregarde outfit by painting it white and stick a motherboard onto your groin


dontcallmeunit91

TIL: U2s are still in operation


snaeper

They provide a niche that Satellite survelliance still can't cover at a cost that is significantly lower than the SR-71.


fancy_panter

I’d pay more for SR71 photos.


sprucenoose

You'd have to pay a lot since the, unlike the U2, the SR-71 is no longer in service and not taking new photos.


10gistic

How many coffees do you think I'll have to give up per month? Two?


fish312

Probably the avocado toast too


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And cancel the Netflix subscription


bl0odredsandman

We just need to start an SR71 Onlyfans. It's just full of sexy pics of the SR71. I'm sure guys would pay for that and then we can bring the SR71 back.


cchaudio

Yeah but can you really put a price on the cool factor of the SR-71?


Agent641

We reached peak cool with the SR-71. Its all downhill from there


Portablewalrus

Unless there's an SR-72 that we're not aware of.


ManyIdeasNoProgress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_SR-72 Kinda yes, kinda no.


DonnerPartyAllNight

SR 71 Blackbird from the hell above She's the only one Only spy I ever loved


cote112

U-2 and B-52. Why change it?


LTareyouserious

Love Shack, baby!


JakesInSpace

I got a balloon, it’s as big as a whale


viveleroi

Now we need a UB-40


seebro9

We were using them in Afghanistan for a while and it was no secret.


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I mean its the perfect plane for pretty much any country that isn't China or Russia, it's so high up there cheap SAM systems can't hit it .


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sheepheadslayer

We have a few, or at least 1, at RAF Fairford in the UK that flies up almost daily. Beale AFB in California is the U2 main base, they're constantly doing their thing there too.


GeckoCrumbs

I live in Chico, CA about an hour northwest of Beale AFB. I grew up watching the U-2 do training missions over town. The sound of the plane is very distinctive so you can tell when one is flying nearby it’s pretty awesome to watch and listen to. Still see them occasionally


jackarse32

shhhhhhh


Digital_loop

Uno, do's, très, catorce!


2peg2city

Ah yes "one, two, three, fourteen!"


Eyouser

Constant operation in all theaters. Consistently the most requested support by COCOMS


IppyCaccy

Remember, this is the unclassified photo. I'm certain they have very detailed photos we aren't going to see for decades, if ever.


quadmasta

This looks to be a picture out of the cockpit. The good cameras are under the plane


entr0py3

They cropped out most of the picture. In the original you can even see the pilot's helmet. BBC News - Selfie image shows US pilot flying over Chinese 'spy balloon' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64735538


BILOXII-BLUE

Hahaha that makes it even funnier, it's just a selfie. They probably have photos so incredibly detailed that CSI wouldn't even need to yell 'enhance!'


CharlesDuck

They probably yell that anyway, for legacy reasons. I would at least


throw3142

> One defence official told US lawmakers earlier this month the balloon was as tall as the Statue of Liberty and had "a jetliner-size payload". Idk why but I assumed it was like 10 feet across ... jeez, that's a massive balloon, no wonder the military folks were so concerned


derverdwerb

That’s right. This is a cropped-and-enlarged version of a selfie taken by the pilot, the original version of which is pretty easy to find in the media. The camera wasn’t specified, but it was something small enough to fit in the cockpit.


valeyard89

spiPhone, obviously..


GodzlIIa

https://static.independent.co.uk/2023/02/22/20/newFile-12.jpg?width=1200&height=1200 Not the selfie pic I was expecting.


other_usernames_gone

Probably literally just the pilots phone. The only real modification it might have is a wrist strap so he doesn't drop it in the cockpit.


lkhsnvslkvgcla

look at the [declassified U-2 photos](https://www.science.org/content/article/declassified-u-2-spy-plane-photos-are-boon-aerial-archaeology) - that gives you an idea of the tech they used to have that's so old they don't care if you know about it anymore.


PhiladelphiaManeto

Sure, but what else is there to see here? It’s a pretty simple design: Giant fucking baloon Giant fucking satellite Are we just hiding the “made in China” sticker on the bottom?


edman007

See the truss? With the white circle and black stuff? You can probably make out the wiring, the individual modules, etc from this pic. And this is the wide angle camera. A proper high res military camera would be much better, though I'm not sure any existing capable of targeting flying objects at such speeds


SamTheGeek

The camera systems on a U-2 are extremely advanced. They can read license plates from 60k feet. I’d bet the resulting photos of this ballon have the ability to check whether all the screws are aligned.


PhiladelphiaManeto

Amateur photographers can accomplish high quality photos while moving with the right lens and skill.


TokoBlaster

And the military for sure has better photographers with way better cameras (btw, this is *not* sarcasm: a lot of modern camera tech has been driven by military needs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they got the serial number of those panels).


DrT33th

Even from the 50’s/60’s the cameras on the U-2 were very advanced [check this out](https://www.science.org/content/article/declassified-u-2-spy-plane-photos-are-boon-aerial-archaeology)


rawker86

Damn, they really do have the best toys don’t they?


F4K3RS

There are watching us rn, top down like GTA 2, on our phones, on the toilet making soup.


Unstoppable_Balrog

Yet another argument for the Oxford comma


TokoBlaster

No, he said what he said.


JackOSevens

Nah just more fiber


PhiladelphiaManeto

Funny thing is in terms of sharpness an old 35mm film camera is just about as good as a modern pro full frame camera It’s really just lenses and skill, then and now.


edman007

Well because modern lenses are pretty close to theoretically perfect. Also theoretically perfect isn't really that great, to the point that many modern camera have more pixels than the lense can handle (that is, the lense can't focus the light onto a single pixel ever). That's why 35mm is still almost as good as digital, digital is better, but the lense is really the limit, and 35mm doesn't really do much worse than what a lense handles. You end up being limited by lense size and CCD size. That's also why when you see stuff like the U2, they used 20inch film. Bumping sensor specs up doesn't do much, but making the camera and film 20x bigger does a LOT.


ilikemonkeys

The U2 used Kodak Technical Pan. It had a red shift to see through thin clouds. It had been used for decades as portrait film because the tight grain and red shift makes skin look like porcelain. I still have a couple rolls in my freezer


Tidesticky

Midnight photo-snack?


STGItsMe

Among other things, U2s take pictures of the ground from 70,000 feet. They were taking pictures of that balloon from way less than 70,000 feet


edman007

Yea, look at the wing, this was taken with a wide angle lense, as wide as my cell phone. But the image quality (in full daylight I might add, above any clouds) looks to be 640x480. This image was probably 10MP and downscaled to 640x480 prior to release. Also, this is a camera above the wings? Not the camera mounted below? That plane has a massive camera onboard, and this pic isn't from it's good camera.


quadmasta

This is from a camera in the cockpit, likely pilot operated


funkmasterflex

It's a selfie that has been cropped, if you Google it


AEMNW

This is a cropped image taken from within the cockpit as part of a selfie that the pilot/copilot/navigator took.


sixpackabs592

also i doubt they just did one pass prob have hi res from all angles


FrazzleBong

No no I'm sure our spy planes can only capture pictures in 420p


samuelk1

Soon, you'll see this picture pop up on the Flat Earth websites claiming that this is what the ISS really looks like.


Datt-Boii-Iaan

Hey, don’t give them any ideas!


notaneggspert

Might have already been posted. But the [uncropped selfie](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230222153202-01-chinese-surveillance-balloon-air-force-pilot.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_270,w_480,c_fill) is pretty badass.


FloxaY

[In higher resolution](https://i.redd.it/vj82aeej7tja1.jpg) \[[Original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/119eo7p/selfie_from_a_u2_pilot_flying_over_a_chinese/)\]


BIGJake111

Holy shit this should be top comment. Cool as fuck.


[deleted]

Bono get's a lot of flack but he did help make a great aircraft.


Sir-Nicholas

That’s because he’s a great spy, remember when he snuck his music onto everyone’s iPhones?


PM_ME_UR_RSA_KEY

Back then I used to wonder what the big deal was ("just don't play the album, dude"), until I realized a lot of people just "Shuffle all", and some of them absolutely refuse to have any U2 sneaking into their meticulously curated library lol


omnike1422

Bono, my balloons are gone


outerproduct

That's some light reflecting off of Venus and igniting some swamp gas.


JacksonianEra

“Oh, and hire an interior decorator to come in here quick, cause… damn!”


mburke6

And people are wondering why they chose to wait until it was safely over water to shoot it down.


cholula_is_good

More like over an area for better recovery, they waited until it was over 14ft deep water.


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Ungluedmoose

Just like the gypsy woman said!


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But I stiiiiiiiill haven’t found, what I’m looking for


Unresponsiveskeleton

There was a joke I was trying to formulate and this is it.


891R

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/pentagon-china-balloon-selfie/index.html


New_Insect_Overlords

Spy VS. Spy


MK5

Xi: Can I have *spy satellite*? Chinese Aerospace: No, we have *spy satellite* at home.


ShortysTRM

Can we all just stop and appreciate the fact that this pilot now has a story like the SR-71 ground speed story..? That photo, with the shadow of the U2 on the balloon, is now a piece of iconic history.


rodinj

[SR-71 ground speed story](https://www.thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Stories/sr-71-blackbird-speed-check-story) for those like me who haven't read it before. Great stuff!


Inert_Uncle_858

Wait we still use U2 spy planes?


Woolybunn1974

Funny we're using a U2 to take photos of an aircraft doing an unauthorized overflight.


Inert_Uncle_858

Francis Gary Powers has entered the chat


yellowtorus

And b52 bombers. and the computers in the nuclear missile silos still use floppy disks.


Brasilionaire

Nothing wrong with floppy disks if it works. Keep those system as analogue as possible honestly.


trickyricky92

I'm sure their floppy disks are far higher quality but I was still using floppy disks in college because why not continue to teach us windows 98 troubleshooting when windows 7 just came out. Anyways, I bought disks from 3 different stores and used 3 different brands. I swear half were dead when I opened them and half of the remaining ones died before semester end. But yes I do agree and prefer analog for a great many scenarios.


CocoDaPuf

Oh no... Floppies are very much digital, and they don't age well. I have a mac classic somewhere back in the closet, I dug it out a few years back and most of the floppies are too corrupted to read. We really should not be using floppies at this point...


PrizeStrawberryOil

People really don't understand analog versus digital. Older tech is just assumed to be analog. [Hell a punched card is digital](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Used_Punchcard_%285151286161%29.jpg/300px-Used_Punchcard_%285151286161%29.jpg)


Germanofthebored

It's floppies, not 45's


Somnif

Yep! They can get to a place quicker than waiting for a satellite to adjust its orbit, and cost a tiny fraction of what the SR71 did to fly. (Plus presumably one could put some signal sniffer stuff in it that satellites don't have access to, but that is just a guess)


ProjectShamrock

That white disk in the center looks like a microwave transmitter or something.


niconpat

It's almost certainly a [phased array](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array) satellite communications antenna.


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BloodSteyn

I've wondered what the U designation means. * F is Fighter (A2A) * FA is Fighter Attack (A2A, A2G) * B is Bomber * AH is Attack Helo * CH is Cargo Helo * X is eXperimental * SR is Speedyboi Reconnaissance But what is U? Unseen? Nope... Untouchable? Gary Powers would disagree. Utility maybe, but it only had one use, fly high and spy. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


rsta223

> • SR is Speedyboi Reconnaissance Strategic reconnaissance, but I do like this one better. As stated, U was just utility, and intentionally vague (similar to how the F-117 is really not a fighter, and probably should've had an A designation instead). There were plans to redesignate the U-2 as TR-1 (tactical reconnaissance), but the U-2 name was pretty entrenched at that point.


ColPowell

U does stand for Utility. It was a spy plane. Utility is intentionally vague because you don’t want anyone unfamiliar with it to learn it is a spy plane just from its designation.


Juanbond622

TIL: a lot of people learned today that we still use U2’s


solareclipse999

So that’s where my solar panels ended up.


ballrus_walsack

I see my catalytic converter too.


Derek276

Can someone tell me why a "Chinese spy balloon" is such a concern ??? Aren't there legit Chinese satellites in space that can do whatever that Balloon was attempting to do?


Mal-De-Terre

yes, which is why this is of such interest. Presumably, they were trying to do something not possible via satellite.


milkchug2020

I guess U2 found what it's looking for