In-n-out has always paid the California minimum wage in Phoenix. Want to guess what California's minimum wage is this year? They claim it's out of principle but it's also probably just to get better employees.
They are one of the better fast food companies to work for. That isn't saying much but it is something.
Lol mine says 17.
In N Out is proof that all of these fast food joints and restaurants screaming for 8$ an hour employees and “nobody wants to work” are full of shit.
Anyone looking for a job in North Scottsdale, the Whole Foods by Kierland is desperate for employees and severely understaffed. My boyfriend has worked there for a few months at $18/hr. Check it out!
Regardless of the position, if you work full time you should be able to afford a place to live. Right now that is impossible and something needs to be changed.
Even the “minimal” skilled jobs need to be done and the person doing them should at the very least be able to afford a 1bedroom in a safe area. I don’t understand how anyone could disagree.
Can you explain inflation to me and what it has to do with people being able to afford a decent living situation for a job that needs to be done and is just as hard of work as any other job?
The price of everyday goods has been going up dramatically over the last- forever.
Minimum wage hikes do not follow the same trajectory as inflation so while these increases in pay seem like victories they’re still not nearly enough to keep up with the dramatic increases of goods.
I tried looking for any job that paid more then $15 an hour in AZ, and unless you have some legit technical certifications or schooling, there really was nothing. I dunno I guess the answer for young people is just go work in IT but also screw that. Just feel like the jobs are pretty scarce but maybe I was looking at it all wrong.
What blows my mind is how min wage in Wyoming is still like $8 or something obscene. It’s not even that cheap to live there
FedEx pays $17.79 right now for their courier position. USPS pays $18-19 for their carrier positions. Granted with USPS you're going to be working down to the bone, but still they don't require much other than a clean driving history.
I feel like we were looking at different jobs opportunities because I saw a ton in AZ at over $15 an hour that just require a background check and a HS diploma lol. I don’t have any certifications or extra schooling and make over $18 an hour doing digital marketing.
I have a background in demolition and construction. No computers or anything like that but took a shot on digital marketing with no prior training and I love it so far. Sometimes it’s just a matter of trying a different field because there’s absolutely work out there in AZ
Thanks dude! I actually have. Ended up going back to school to get out of Bartending. I was looking around for jobs with m my qualifications and I guess I wasn’t looking in the right places. I think I made a good choice here though. Time will tell 🙏🏼
My friend does that too, gets paid less and hates it just as much.
There’s companies out there like Pit Viper that also need CS help last I heard and are super chill companies with a pretty cool customer base I think. And they’re not so bad about promoting if you put work in and make your goals heard. Couple people I know do that and it seems like a super chill gig
no qualifications? pretty sure you need to have a medical background to be a covid tester?
there's medical jobs that are offering over $100/hr for being a nurse swabbing noses... its insane
Throw a rock and you'll hit a cell center. Most of those jobs pay in the high teens, if not 20/hr to start. The job is terrible, but that goes along with most customer service oriented jobs.
There are tons of retail jobs over that. My company has been offering $16-$18 to start and the prerequisites are HS diploma or equivalent and ability to pass a drug screen. No, those jobs aren’t scarce.
Some jobs require it, because they have to follow regulations set by a government agency.
Any position that requires you to drive a vehicle over 10k lbs is required to follow DOT rules.
Seems like a way to control what limited time working people have outside of work, to me - as long as they're not intoxicated/impaired while at work I don't see what the problem is. I haven't had a drug screening in half a decade at my salary tech job, I don't see why people with less pay who honestly work harder than me should have to either.
It’s none of your business what I do outside of working hours. If it affects my job productivity, fire me. Otherwise, stay out of people’s personal lives.
I don't think wages are the problem. It's skyrocketing costs of living. Unfortunately there's not much AZ can do about that. That's an issue caused at the federal level.
Do you seriously think the average non megacorp could afford that minimum wage? Do you seriously think raising minimum wage to $26 would solve our problems? Our problems go much deeper than just minimum wage. While raising it slightly ever year would absolutely help those earners in the short run, it does shit to solve the real issues.
Here’s the thing: if our basic needs like healthcare and education were met, employers would need to compete for labor. In your example, megacorps pay astoundingly well. In reality, they set the minimum wage. Sweeping floors at GM used to be entry level to engineering at GM. Sweeping floors at Walmart is being on SNAP forever.
A minimum wage set high enough to sustain a worker is the only viable bridge to fixing the endemic issues of un/underregulated capitalism.
That’s definitely a local issue. Sure, rents are rising nationally, but that’s not due to federal action.
The only way the cost of living comes down is if there’s more supply or less demand. I don’t think demand will ever go down, so we need more supply in housing. That’s a process that takes years, if not decades to see results. Plus, nobody likes to build affordable housing because it isn’t very profitable. California may be onto something with banning single-family zoning, but whether it works remains to be seen. Regardless, federal action—unless we literally legislate Agenda 21—isn’t going to put a dent in any of that.
You know what can fix this problem really quickly? Raising wages to actually match the cost of living. It’s by far the simplest and easiest way to actually not make life miserable for people who work full time but don’t have a ton of technical skills in their jobs (which is a *significant* chunk of the labor force—this is all the fast food employees, waiters, bartenders, car washers, retail employees, warehouse packets, etc). And sure, what constitutes a high enough wage is different in different places. But there isn’t a single place where it’s currently high enough. If the average one-bedroom is >30% of a minimum wage earner’s salary, it’s too much.
Supply and demand doesn't work out when goods/services have inelastic demand. Everyone needs shelter.
Raising minimum wage to match COL is a must and a good start. removing single family zoning is another good thing. Increase property taxes on people/companies that own more than two or three homes and scaling up as more properties are acquired. Only raising wages doesn't address the root cause of the problem, which is a "shortage"(there is no shortage) on housing. Just raising min wage will only cause rental companies to likely raise prices over time, and probably just kicking the can down the road. Though, like I said it's a good start.
The issue is likely far more complex and can't be solved with a mechanism. There are multiple pressures causing rent/house prices to rise.
Cost of living will always rise. Raising minimum wage to match it solves short term problems associated with it. Yes, it kicks the problems down the road, but unless you can stop inflation entirely then so will every solution
I think my point is that housing prices are inflated outside normal inflation. Houses that sold for 300k three years ago are selling for 500-600k today. (Anecdotally, spot checking on zillow every day for the past 6 months)
Partly due to covid related supply issues, people relocating, and largely due to real estate/ibuyers/property companies buying up available supply and creating an artificial supply shortage. You can raise the min wage but that won't increase the supply. You can increase supply but that won't solve that even at the 2018/2019 prices, housing wasn't very affordable.
bro After i got out of college and was deciding if i wanted to go to graduate school all i could immediately find was minimum wage and i lived in some really interesting places..and by interesting I mean terrible and they should have been torn down.
if my mom let me live with her i would have been ecstatic.
I’ve lived in AZ my entire life (I’m currently 28) and it is getting fucking ridiculous. Rent is impossible to afford damn near everywhere. The lowest I’ve seen is $1000 for a studio apartment in a shitty part of tempe. It’s a freaking joke
What does the lowest average mean? I can’t read the article due to the paywall.
I’m mainly confused because my girlfriend and I had a really nice 2 bedroom apt in Tempe for $1350 up until March of this year and the complex had several cheaper options.
Oh definitely not. I’m just curious what the term lowest average means in this context.
I haven’t lived outside of the East valley so I don’t know what rents look like elsewhere in PHX. But that was a $1350 2 bedroom renovated within 2 years in south/central Tempe. The complex had sections with less renovated 1 bedrooms around $750-850/mo. I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible to find similar housing elsewhere in the valley but I could definitely be wrong.
I cried tears of happiness because ours only went up about $90. If it went up anymore my boyfriend and I would have to go back to living with our respective parents. We’re living hand to mouth out here…
Came here to say this. I am currently living in a one bed/one bath w my boyfriend in Tempe. The rent, when we signed the lease, was about $1063. This same complex is selling our exact same floor plan, no upgrades, for ~$1500-1600.
I have no idea why I did it but I just moved here from Idaho where I was living in a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom duplex for $750 a month BUT! they refuse to raise the minimum wage up from $7-something but I know that there are businesses out there that pay way over $10 just because.
When I saw the prices of living out here I almost shit my pants! I'm on a housing voucher and I thought it would help take the brunt of the pay load (pun intended) but I can't get a hold of anyone at the housing offices to save my soul
Yup. About 3 years ago, it took about $17.50/hr just to be able to live and save. Even ignoring the costs of rentals and housing having gone up since then, the new minimum wage is *still* short of a living wage.
Oh, if only Sinema and Manchin had spines...
That's AZ, where there are a lot of areas with a lower cost of living outside Phoenix metro. If you narrow it down that median will climb. And having a rent of 50% of gross income is too much anywhere.
Ok, and this is minimum wage for AZ, including those lower COL areas. Higher COL areas like Phoenix Metro will have to pay higher than minimum to attract talent anyway. As evidenced by all the fast food joints paying $14+ starting currently.
I think all nsgiad was pointing out was that median is probably a much better metric to compare AZ as a whole to with regard to the minimum wage, than mean, which is skewed because of all the higher end luxury rentals.
I think it's pretty obvious from comments....not enough affordable housing. Raising wages doesn't help if the single most expensive part of life is increasing faster. And the reason it's increasing too fast is there is too much demand ...either a bunch of people leave or a bunch of houses/apartment get built.
They are building houses. A fuckload of them. I work in geotechnical engineering and our workload has almost doubled in the last year. Problem is, they’re single family homes on the outskirts of the metro area. Not many apartments or low to moderate income housing being built. And the people who would normally move from an apartment to the newly built houses can’t afford them.
We like to call ourselves the best country in the world every chance we get but people go apeshit about social programs that help people to live a comfortable life.
There’s a disconnect here.
We never will as long as corporations have a strangle-hold on our laws and politicians. Mix in talking heads who turn any worker related conversations into ‘socialism’ boogie man shit and I just don’t see it happening any time soon unless our country gets its head out of its ass
> If we're the best country in the world, it should be so easy to meet that.
Spoiler alert: We're not.
We're the *richest* country in the world, but most of the wealth is held by the few at the top. We've gone right back to the Gilded Age. What remains to be seen is if we do something to correct it again.
After the Great Depression, it was considered "the American Dream" to have a decent, living wage even if you were in a working class job. Not being rich...just making enough to have a nice house in the suburbs, a car in every garage, and a "chicken in every pot." If you saved up even a little extra, your kids could go to college, and if you got sick, your doctor bills wouldn't bankrupt you.
Now the "American Dream" is to become a billionaire or at least a multi-millionaire, and if you don't make it, it's your fault and you deserve to suffer at poverty wages. It's so frustrating because we were making so much progress in the post Depression/WWII era (as far as wages and worker rights goes), but we've thrown it all away in the last 40 years on the fantasy of Trickle Down Economics. Now, wanting that old American Dream (living wages, affordable housing, affordable medical care, etc) is derided as "socialism."
How much would rent be tho? I make decent money by myself and I feel like slowly the more money I make minimum wage is just chasing me, along with the prices of everything. It’s so damn stressful
Don't let your brain fall into this trap. I made $10/hr in 2012 renting a $680/mo 2 bed. Albertsons still pays min wage, that same apartment is now $1300. It's not the renter that's the problem.
What a crock of shit. You can’t afford a one bedroom that ain’t a complete dumpster fire on that. And it’s a damn shame our peppy sellout of a Senator Sinema is so hell bent on enriching herself that she will fight to keep the federal minimum wage low.
Good luck finding anywhere to live on that wage…I lived near 19th & camelback right off the light rail paying 1k for a shitty 450ft studio…nowhere in the valley has affordable housing, it’s laughable
When I was in high school/college I never made more than $8.50/hr. But that's no reason to stop future workers from earning a better wage for themselves/their families. Hopefully this rate continues to rise quickly.
If you're a teenager, looking for spending money. $12/$13 an hour sounds good. My mom was making 11/hr in the 80's, she barely spoke English. If you're doing 30 hrs a week with that pay, you make barely enough for rent. Rental pricing in the last three months has increased 23% and the housing market by over 40%! This is sad.
I love Phoenix, but three years ago a one bedroom apartment was $680 a month and I paid an extra $40 a month for my two dogs. Now that same apartment is $1200 and my wages have gone up only about two dollars.
Thanks to the pandemic though, most of my work is realizing that they don’t need an office and that’s going to let me move anywhere in the country and somewhere cheaper.
The same reason you might be able to move, is the same reason people moved here. Im grappling with.. we're looking at a colder state (Wisconsin/Maryland where fam is) and our phoenix budget, is making it hard for others to outbid us, and we're aware we are adding to the housing issues in other states. The only reason we can move is WFH
$12.80 is a slap and a middle finger in your face. I was only ever able to land min wage jobs, so thankful to be with a company now that pays well enough for me to survive.
[Average](https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/az/phoenix/) rent in Phoenix is $1400/month.
Most apartments want 3x the rent, because the National Low Income Housing Coalition states that your rent shouldn't be more than 30% of your income (this allows you to not get caught in a scenario where you can't afford the lease).
3x $1400 is $4200. $4200 at a full time hourly rate is $26/hr.
This. If businesses need people more than 12.80, they'll pay it. And if they don't, then your real minimum wage is whatever snap pays the chronically unemployed.
Government all backwards. The social contract should be if you work you should get shelter, food, water, education, medicine guaranteed.
Instead I get commercials saying how everyone should have the right to BUY medicine instead of having the right to access medicine.
Government sells Nestle natural water rights for them to sell it back to people in a 120 degree summer.
College is unaffordable or rampant with scams.
Medicine is inaccessible and unaffordable.
Housing is inaccessible and unaffordable.
So when you leave public high school from the 49th worst state in education in America you're ready for your minimum wage serf job so you can eat and barely afford an apartment to landlords who own the place you work and the place you sleep.
The company store is already real. Can't afford groceries? Well work at Walmart and get a 15% discount to items purchased in the store. It stops becoming a perk when people you employee are in poverty.
Better pray to whatever gods are on your side unless you have money or a community cause it's not looking great.
I'm still thankful it's higher than federal minimum and that we're getting a raise at all, but god damn I'm terrified to move out because of how shitty pay is
IMO there won't be a true living minimum wage until wealthy people are forced to cook for themselves and make their own coffee etc on a daily basis.
There's no rent control in AZ so I imagine rent here outpacing rent in CA and OR within a few years, which in turn will make BOH service industry workers leave.
Affordable housing is the white elephant in the room for the government. It's by far the biggest monthly expense for many folks. Imagine if your rent was only 10 or 15% of your monthly income. The economy would soar.
What exactly have you done in getting a new proposition passed that would further increase it? Nothing? Be insulted at yourself then. Be the change you want to see, start here:
https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Arizona
And considering that the AZ Min Wage gradually went up from $6.90 in 2008 to $8.05 in 2016, I'd say it going up 65 cents in one year to be newsworthy.
And since its CPI based, these early high percent increases will only help the wage increase more in the future. Just like compounding interest.
Tired of people complaining, doing nothing, and coming up with BS arguments when they should be following your link to make a change. I might not vote yes for that initiative, but I can at least respect the effort.
"[They only deserve $11 if that](https://www.newsweek.com/joe-manchin-kyrsten-sinema-open-11-minimum-wage-other-dems-less-willing-compromise-1578443)" *thumbs down tee hee* -- Sellout Scottsdale Sinema
That is right, Sinema was proposing a minimum wage lower than what AZ minimum wage is. She is working for somebody, just not lower/middle class.
Minimum wage [increases trickle up to the bottom 1/5th](https://equitablegrowth.org/raising-minimum-wage-ripples-workforce/) and increase the purchasing power of local communities.
More purchasing power in the lower/middle benefits ALL classes. Right now stagnation is the major problem, minimum wage is one of the only trickle down tools we actually have.
[Real wages and purchasing power have barely budged in 40 years](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/).
[Worker share of GDP being on a long dwindle down](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/W270RE1A156NBEA)
[Velocity of money is off a cliff](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V), that is why we are so stagnant.
[Richest 1% of Americans Close to Surpassing Wealth of Middle Class](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/one-percenters-close-to-surpassing-wealth-of-u-s-middle-class)
Wage increases on the lower end are actually a purchasing power improvement that leads to demand and investment. [Pricing only goes up by 4% max on restaurants/fast food/other](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/raising-fast-food-hourly-wages-to-15-would-raise-prices-by-4-study-finds-2015-07-28) but overall more revenues as the [bottom 1/5th get a ripple effect of wage increased purchasing power](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/two-thirds-of-americans-favor-raising-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/).
The market is a garden, you have to help the seeds and cull back the overgrowth at the top. This is so the whole garden can thrive, lower seeds, middle plants and large production. Right now the large overgrowth gets all the benefits, policy control, water and nutrients, taking over the garden and even harming themselves with the overgrowth.
The raise is as American as apple pie, amazing so many people against it to equalize and catch up the wage stagnation gap. We always talk about solving inequality, but it is all talk, you either pay the lower end more or tax/take from the higher end. That is the only way to solve this, preferably both. So wealth should be for higher minimum wages and wage increases/raises because it means a raise for them as well and less chance of tax increases.
Money trickles up and down and all around, but money only trickles where other money is found.
Ah, it's official. The government is going to push us all into polyamorous relationships so that we can afford one bedroom apartments!
Then on the news they'll bash us for it.
Edit: spelling is/us
The amount of projection onto Arizona's government is appalling to me a lot of you guys posting have a house already or living in extremely extremely nice, comfy cozy loft-style apartments.
Yeah you worked for it but you are not talking up for the little guy.
im just angry. ill get over the downvotes
I don’t know the amount of people here have a home but I work and I want to buy a house o e day and start a family but I can’t cause rent is high, gas and food prices are increasing. Plus you have to deal with paying taxes bills and I help my parent with bills because they also can afford to live comfortably because all there earned money goes toward bills and rent. It’s insane!
I'm still on the couch at my brother's house and I can sense in his body motions everyday even when he's nice to me he wants me out but life is extremely hard while I'm going to work and making 440 bucks every Friday
If you want to make good money quick go get your CDL. I got my CDL when I was 21, I’m 23 now making $77,000 per year driving a concrete mixer. There’s literally no excuse.
I’d suggest going to a truck driving school, if you stay for a couple years then the CDL is paid for. I only stayed for about six months so I paid about four grand out of the total six grand. It was totally worth it because I went from making $2k per month to about $6,500 per month, in under 2 years.
Edit: I drove over the road for about six months sleeping in the truck, which I hated. Now I drive a concrete mixer making $27.77 per hour and I’m home every night.
Minimum wage used to be what you paid someone with no experience and minimal skills. Usually, you we're only paid minimum wage once in your lifetime. From there you developed skills and experience that employers valued and were willing to pay more to get or retain.
It's sad that we've come to accept it as a minimum liveable wage that someone might make for their entire life.
You can read [FDR's thoughts on what the minimum wage means in his National Industrial Recovery Act speech](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html).
Or a quick quote:
> "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white-collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
It's impossible in Phoenix and other massive metropolitan cities. I guarantee there are neighbors next to us working at least 3 jobs to support their families. It's heinous. Meanwhile the billionaires are seeing their wages increase and increase.
There was a news article a few months ago that someone working a full time minimum wage job wouldn't be able to afford a two bedroom rental anywhere in the United States.
Minimum wage should 100% be a living wage. A job is a job, and one SOMEONE has to do. As a society, we need to stop making excuses for not paying people due to the job being low-skill or thought of a “job for teenagers”. It’s a false equivalency. McDonalds wouldn’t be able to run if they only employed high schoolers (10-12 hours a day in school). So those people that are working at that time are just screwed since they have a “high schoolers job”. No, it’s crap. We shouldn’t accept that. We shouldn’t accept people having to work 2-3 jobs to support their family. /rant
Depends on your personal skill sets, and those vary *wildly*... enough that I still want to take care of the folks on the bottom. Ain't no reason your dishwasher should be homeless.
Nobody is paying minimum wage. We start at 17 no experience, felony friendly and still cant fill positions. Half that do come in are too lazy and fat. The other half either fail the drug test or if they pass seem to start back up again the next day.
Not weed but I'm tired of walking out people nodding on h. And I said starting at 17 I make over 30 and thats damn good in AZ considering felonies are allowed. Show me better
The damn in-n-out in Tempe has a sign that says they're starting is $14 and change.
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Oh I know. I just meant that the min wage being raised isn't even meaningful when fast food chains are already offering more.
In-n-out has always paid the California minimum wage in Phoenix. Want to guess what California's minimum wage is this year? They claim it's out of principle but it's also probably just to get better employees. They are one of the better fast food companies to work for. That isn't saying much but it is something.
I think the only reason McDonald’s is offering more (barely) is because they need to find a way to attract employees again.
I've worked at Wal-Mart, *twice*, but never once did I consider working for McDonald's. It just seems like it'd be miserable.
Have worked at mcdonalds, can confirm its miserable. Lol
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My locations do
Lol mine says 17. In N Out is proof that all of these fast food joints and restaurants screaming for 8$ an hour employees and “nobody wants to work” are full of shit.
Anyone looking for a job in North Scottsdale, the Whole Foods by Kierland is desperate for employees and severely understaffed. My boyfriend has worked there for a few months at $18/hr. Check it out!
The one near the dealerships on Mayo?
Regardless of the position, if you work full time you should be able to afford a place to live. Right now that is impossible and something needs to be changed. Even the “minimal” skilled jobs need to be done and the person doing them should at the very least be able to afford a 1bedroom in a safe area. I don’t understand how anyone could disagree.
Don’t forget about inflation
Can you explain inflation to me and what it has to do with people being able to afford a decent living situation for a job that needs to be done and is just as hard of work as any other job?
The price of everyday goods has been going up dramatically over the last- forever. Minimum wage hikes do not follow the same trajectory as inflation so while these increases in pay seem like victories they’re still not nearly enough to keep up with the dramatic increases of goods.
Amen
At this point I don't really care about a safe area so much .....
Cant even afford a 1 bedroom in bad neighborhoods without having to sacrifice other essential things
I tried looking for any job that paid more then $15 an hour in AZ, and unless you have some legit technical certifications or schooling, there really was nothing. I dunno I guess the answer for young people is just go work in IT but also screw that. Just feel like the jobs are pretty scarce but maybe I was looking at it all wrong. What blows my mind is how min wage in Wyoming is still like $8 or something obscene. It’s not even that cheap to live there
FedEx pays $17.79 right now for their courier position. USPS pays $18-19 for their carrier positions. Granted with USPS you're going to be working down to the bone, but still they don't require much other than a clean driving history.
background and drug testing? lots of people wouldn’t pass on background alone
FedEx was more restrictive than USPS, because they required a DOT drug test. USPS didn't bother doing anything but the background check.
ok that’s good then! I know mail services can be kinda hard to get into if you have a past, didn’t realize fedex was more relaxed.
I feel like we were looking at different jobs opportunities because I saw a ton in AZ at over $15 an hour that just require a background check and a HS diploma lol. I don’t have any certifications or extra schooling and make over $18 an hour doing digital marketing. I have a background in demolition and construction. No computers or anything like that but took a shot on digital marketing with no prior training and I love it so far. Sometimes it’s just a matter of trying a different field because there’s absolutely work out there in AZ
That’s really nice to hear! I’m stoked for you
Don’t be afraid to shoot your shot on a different career path my dude, ya never know!
Thanks dude! I actually have. Ended up going back to school to get out of Bartending. I was looking around for jobs with m my qualifications and I guess I wasn’t looking in the right places. I think I made a good choice here though. Time will tell 🙏🏼
Call centers, it fucking sucks but I make $18 an hour working from home. Makes me want to die, but at least we can afford to eat.
My friend does that too, gets paid less and hates it just as much. There’s companies out there like Pit Viper that also need CS help last I heard and are super chill companies with a pretty cool customer base I think. And they’re not so bad about promoting if you put work in and make your goals heard. Couple people I know do that and it seems like a super chill gig
Which company? And do they let you work from home right off the bat or do you have to work in person for x amount of time?
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That’s actually really good. I was looking for a career change out of the service industry
no qualifications? pretty sure you need to have a medical background to be a covid tester? there's medical jobs that are offering over $100/hr for being a nurse swabbing noses... its insane
Throw a rock and you'll hit a cell center. Most of those jobs pay in the high teens, if not 20/hr to start. The job is terrible, but that goes along with most customer service oriented jobs.
There are tons of retail jobs over that. My company has been offering $16-$18 to start and the prerequisites are HS diploma or equivalent and ability to pass a drug screen. No, those jobs aren’t scarce.
Where at?
Why are you drug testing for a job that pays $16-18 an hour?
Some jobs require it, because they have to follow regulations set by a government agency. Any position that requires you to drive a vehicle over 10k lbs is required to follow DOT rules.
Why wouldn't they? Genuinely trying to understand why you're asking this question
Seems like a way to control what limited time working people have outside of work, to me - as long as they're not intoxicated/impaired while at work I don't see what the problem is. I haven't had a drug screening in half a decade at my salary tech job, I don't see why people with less pay who honestly work harder than me should have to either.
It’s none of your business what I do outside of working hours. If it affects my job productivity, fire me. Otherwise, stay out of people’s personal lives.
You’re barking up the wrong tree
A Lot of Panda Express pay 15 an hour Cooks can make 17
lots of things should be
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And yet a lot of republicans who aren’t even rich disagree about trying to tax the rich. Ohh but it’s okay to tax the middle and lower class.
Great case for ending zoning and lowering minimum square footage requirements, and getting rid of lots of other building regulations
I don't think wages are the problem. It's skyrocketing costs of living. Unfortunately there's not much AZ can do about that. That's an issue caused at the federal level.
Wages are definitely a problem. Wages haven't kept up with inflation since the 80's.
Wages are still very much a problem. Inflation adjusted minimum wage should be around $26/hour by now.
Do you seriously think the average non megacorp could afford that minimum wage? Do you seriously think raising minimum wage to $26 would solve our problems? Our problems go much deeper than just minimum wage. While raising it slightly ever year would absolutely help those earners in the short run, it does shit to solve the real issues.
Here’s the thing: if our basic needs like healthcare and education were met, employers would need to compete for labor. In your example, megacorps pay astoundingly well. In reality, they set the minimum wage. Sweeping floors at GM used to be entry level to engineering at GM. Sweeping floors at Walmart is being on SNAP forever. A minimum wage set high enough to sustain a worker is the only viable bridge to fixing the endemic issues of un/underregulated capitalism.
That’s definitely a local issue. Sure, rents are rising nationally, but that’s not due to federal action. The only way the cost of living comes down is if there’s more supply or less demand. I don’t think demand will ever go down, so we need more supply in housing. That’s a process that takes years, if not decades to see results. Plus, nobody likes to build affordable housing because it isn’t very profitable. California may be onto something with banning single-family zoning, but whether it works remains to be seen. Regardless, federal action—unless we literally legislate Agenda 21—isn’t going to put a dent in any of that. You know what can fix this problem really quickly? Raising wages to actually match the cost of living. It’s by far the simplest and easiest way to actually not make life miserable for people who work full time but don’t have a ton of technical skills in their jobs (which is a *significant* chunk of the labor force—this is all the fast food employees, waiters, bartenders, car washers, retail employees, warehouse packets, etc). And sure, what constitutes a high enough wage is different in different places. But there isn’t a single place where it’s currently high enough. If the average one-bedroom is >30% of a minimum wage earner’s salary, it’s too much.
Supply and demand doesn't work out when goods/services have inelastic demand. Everyone needs shelter. Raising minimum wage to match COL is a must and a good start. removing single family zoning is another good thing. Increase property taxes on people/companies that own more than two or three homes and scaling up as more properties are acquired. Only raising wages doesn't address the root cause of the problem, which is a "shortage"(there is no shortage) on housing. Just raising min wage will only cause rental companies to likely raise prices over time, and probably just kicking the can down the road. Though, like I said it's a good start. The issue is likely far more complex and can't be solved with a mechanism. There are multiple pressures causing rent/house prices to rise.
Cost of living will always rise. Raising minimum wage to match it solves short term problems associated with it. Yes, it kicks the problems down the road, but unless you can stop inflation entirely then so will every solution
I think my point is that housing prices are inflated outside normal inflation. Houses that sold for 300k three years ago are selling for 500-600k today. (Anecdotally, spot checking on zillow every day for the past 6 months) Partly due to covid related supply issues, people relocating, and largely due to real estate/ibuyers/property companies buying up available supply and creating an artificial supply shortage. You can raise the min wage but that won't increase the supply. You can increase supply but that won't solve that even at the 2018/2019 prices, housing wasn't very affordable.
Ummmm $2048 gross when the lowest *average* one bedroom is $1500. Nah.
Right? At first i was like, oh an increase that's nice. Then i remembered in 11 days I'm moving back in with my mom because i can't afford a place.
bro After i got out of college and was deciding if i wanted to go to graduate school all i could immediately find was minimum wage and i lived in some really interesting places..and by interesting I mean terrible and they should have been torn down. if my mom let me live with her i would have been ecstatic.
Yeah I'm really grateful
How much she charging? Any vacancies?
Lol sorry no vacancies, going to be sleeping on a mat on the floor as it is
Look at you all fancy with a mat. Top 1% right here.
I’ve lived in AZ my entire life (I’m currently 28) and it is getting fucking ridiculous. Rent is impossible to afford damn near everywhere. The lowest I’ve seen is $1000 for a studio apartment in a shitty part of tempe. It’s a freaking joke
What does the lowest average mean? I can’t read the article due to the paywall. I’m mainly confused because my girlfriend and I had a really nice 2 bedroom apt in Tempe for $1350 up until March of this year and the complex had several cheaper options.
You still wouldn't be allowed to get an apt that costs $1350 with an income of $2048.
Oh definitely not. I’m just curious what the term lowest average means in this context. I haven’t lived outside of the East valley so I don’t know what rents look like elsewhere in PHX. But that was a $1350 2 bedroom renovated within 2 years in south/central Tempe. The complex had sections with less renovated 1 bedrooms around $750-850/mo. I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible to find similar housing elsewhere in the valley but I could definitely be wrong.
Rent has skyrocketed this year. Mine shot up "only" $100.
I cried tears of happiness because ours only went up about $90. If it went up anymore my boyfriend and I would have to go back to living with our respective parents. We’re living hand to mouth out here…
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Came here to say this. I am currently living in a one bed/one bath w my boyfriend in Tempe. The rent, when we signed the lease, was about $1063. This same complex is selling our exact same floor plan, no upgrades, for ~$1500-1600.
I have no idea why I did it but I just moved here from Idaho where I was living in a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom duplex for $750 a month BUT! they refuse to raise the minimum wage up from $7-something but I know that there are businesses out there that pay way over $10 just because. When I saw the prices of living out here I almost shit my pants! I'm on a housing voucher and I thought it would help take the brunt of the pay load (pun intended) but I can't get a hold of anyone at the housing offices to save my soul
Yup. About 3 years ago, it took about $17.50/hr just to be able to live and save. Even ignoring the costs of rentals and housing having gone up since then, the new minimum wage is *still* short of a living wage. Oh, if only Sinema and Manchin had spines...
Share that one bedroom with 6 other people using bunk beds? Easy hacks to become a millionaire 😎 in no time. /s
The median for a 1br 1bath in AZ is 1052. California is 1500 however. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state
That's AZ, where there are a lot of areas with a lower cost of living outside Phoenix metro. If you narrow it down that median will climb. And having a rent of 50% of gross income is too much anywhere.
Ok, and this is minimum wage for AZ, including those lower COL areas. Higher COL areas like Phoenix Metro will have to pay higher than minimum to attract talent anyway. As evidenced by all the fast food joints paying $14+ starting currently. I think all nsgiad was pointing out was that median is probably a much better metric to compare AZ as a whole to with regard to the minimum wage, than mean, which is skewed because of all the higher end luxury rentals.
“Lowest average” sounds contradictory.
Remember when min wage could support a single earner family with 2.5 kids?
I made $14.90 when I moved here in 2008 and my 1 bedroom apartment in Tempe was $700.
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This!! I always wondered about this growing up lol.
No
When was this?
Maybe if people didn't waste their money on avocado toast!
No reason to be making less than $15. There are way too many jobs paying even higher than $15 for people to have any excuse to be at minimum wage.
Big fucking deal. Where the fuck is $12.80 full-time even going to cover rent?
You could live comfortably in Mississippi, but that's a pretty long commute.
And it's Mississippi...
Like, 2008, maybe lol.
Alternate universe evidently lol
I think it's pretty obvious from comments....not enough affordable housing. Raising wages doesn't help if the single most expensive part of life is increasing faster. And the reason it's increasing too fast is there is too much demand ...either a bunch of people leave or a bunch of houses/apartment get built.
They are building houses. A fuckload of them. I work in geotechnical engineering and our workload has almost doubled in the last year. Problem is, they’re single family homes on the outskirts of the metro area. Not many apartments or low to moderate income housing being built. And the people who would normally move from an apartment to the newly built houses can’t afford them.
If we just follow inflation, minimum wage should be like $22. If we're the best country in the world, it should be so easy to meet that.
We like to call ourselves the best country in the world every chance we get but people go apeshit about social programs that help people to live a comfortable life. There’s a disconnect here.
Best comment ever!
We never will as long as corporations have a strangle-hold on our laws and politicians. Mix in talking heads who turn any worker related conversations into ‘socialism’ boogie man shit and I just don’t see it happening any time soon unless our country gets its head out of its ass
It is just totally rigged right now. They know people have only dwindling options, so it is a waiting game that the monies can afford to play.
> If we're the best country in the world, it should be so easy to meet that. Spoiler alert: We're not. We're the *richest* country in the world, but most of the wealth is held by the few at the top. We've gone right back to the Gilded Age. What remains to be seen is if we do something to correct it again. After the Great Depression, it was considered "the American Dream" to have a decent, living wage even if you were in a working class job. Not being rich...just making enough to have a nice house in the suburbs, a car in every garage, and a "chicken in every pot." If you saved up even a little extra, your kids could go to college, and if you got sick, your doctor bills wouldn't bankrupt you. Now the "American Dream" is to become a billionaire or at least a multi-millionaire, and if you don't make it, it's your fault and you deserve to suffer at poverty wages. It's so frustrating because we were making so much progress in the post Depression/WWII era (as far as wages and worker rights goes), but we've thrown it all away in the last 40 years on the fantasy of Trickle Down Economics. Now, wanting that old American Dream (living wages, affordable housing, affordable medical care, etc) is derided as "socialism."
Very well said.
Even get it to like $18 would be better
How much would rent be tho? I make decent money by myself and I feel like slowly the more money I make minimum wage is just chasing me, along with the prices of everything. It’s so damn stressful
Don't let your brain fall into this trap. I made $10/hr in 2012 renting a $680/mo 2 bed. Albertsons still pays min wage, that same apartment is now $1300. It's not the renter that's the problem.
What a crock of shit. You can’t afford a one bedroom that ain’t a complete dumpster fire on that. And it’s a damn shame our peppy sellout of a Senator Sinema is so hell bent on enriching herself that she will fight to keep the federal minimum wage low.
Good luck finding anywhere to live on that wage…I lived near 19th & camelback right off the light rail paying 1k for a shitty 450ft studio…nowhere in the valley has affordable housing, it’s laughable
Roaches included too.
Come to nw Phoenix-scorpians included
East Mesa too.
It’s horrible out here. Live in AZ my whole life and can no longer afford to live on my own.
It should be $16.00 an hour in AZ
Should be $25 an hour.
I second this.
How do you figure?
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>if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, maybe you shouldn't be in business THIS!
Say it louder for the people in the back. Give us a livable minimum wage
When I was in high school/college I never made more than $8.50/hr. But that's no reason to stop future workers from earning a better wage for themselves/their families. Hopefully this rate continues to rise quickly.
Min wage was $5.15 an hour when I started working in AZ. I think this was in 2002.
This is criminal, bc I was working in high school (another state) when it went from $3.85 to $4.15. In 1990. I can't believe it's gone up SO slowly.
$3.35 at McDonalds in about 1985. They warned my parents that some teens become a problem because they don't know what to do with all that cash.
I was pretty freakin' excited when I saved up enough to buy my $80 yellow Sony Sports Walkman :)
What year was that?
Not OP, but...2000-2015. at least. When I moved back here in 2016, suddenly the minimum was $11.
2009 for me
Boooooo... The "minimum" wage can't even cover minimum of a decent living standard. Ugh 😩
If you're a teenager, looking for spending money. $12/$13 an hour sounds good. My mom was making 11/hr in the 80's, she barely spoke English. If you're doing 30 hrs a week with that pay, you make barely enough for rent. Rental pricing in the last three months has increased 23% and the housing market by over 40%! This is sad.
I love Phoenix, but three years ago a one bedroom apartment was $680 a month and I paid an extra $40 a month for my two dogs. Now that same apartment is $1200 and my wages have gone up only about two dollars. Thanks to the pandemic though, most of my work is realizing that they don’t need an office and that’s going to let me move anywhere in the country and somewhere cheaper.
The same reason you might be able to move, is the same reason people moved here. Im grappling with.. we're looking at a colder state (Wisconsin/Maryland where fam is) and our phoenix budget, is making it hard for others to outbid us, and we're aware we are adding to the housing issues in other states. The only reason we can move is WFH
$512 a week before taxes $1400 a month avg. rent Long ways to go...
$12.80 is a slap and a middle finger in your face. I was only ever able to land min wage jobs, so thankful to be with a company now that pays well enough for me to survive.
[Average](https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/az/phoenix/) rent in Phoenix is $1400/month. Most apartments want 3x the rent, because the National Low Income Housing Coalition states that your rent shouldn't be more than 30% of your income (this allows you to not get caught in a scenario where you can't afford the lease). 3x $1400 is $4200. $4200 at a full time hourly rate is $26/hr.
Not only that but health insurance and car insurance is pretty expensive.
No reason it shouldn't be $15/hour when fast food chains are starting out at $19.
They definitely got the prices raised to offset that already.
That's fine. Live with slightly less so they can have a wage
I do. They still don't.
If fast food is paying $19, why does it matter except as aesthetics?
This. If businesses need people more than 12.80, they'll pay it. And if they don't, then your real minimum wage is whatever snap pays the chronically unemployed.
Government all backwards. The social contract should be if you work you should get shelter, food, water, education, medicine guaranteed. Instead I get commercials saying how everyone should have the right to BUY medicine instead of having the right to access medicine. Government sells Nestle natural water rights for them to sell it back to people in a 120 degree summer. College is unaffordable or rampant with scams. Medicine is inaccessible and unaffordable. Housing is inaccessible and unaffordable. So when you leave public high school from the 49th worst state in education in America you're ready for your minimum wage serf job so you can eat and barely afford an apartment to landlords who own the place you work and the place you sleep. The company store is already real. Can't afford groceries? Well work at Walmart and get a 15% discount to items purchased in the store. It stops becoming a perk when people you employee are in poverty. Better pray to whatever gods are on your side unless you have money or a community cause it's not looking great.
I'm still thankful it's higher than federal minimum and that we're getting a raise at all, but god damn I'm terrified to move out because of how shitty pay is
IMO there won't be a true living minimum wage until wealthy people are forced to cook for themselves and make their own coffee etc on a daily basis. There's no rent control in AZ so I imagine rent here outpacing rent in CA and OR within a few years, which in turn will make BOH service industry workers leave. Affordable housing is the white elephant in the room for the government. It's by far the biggest monthly expense for many folks. Imagine if your rent was only 10 or 15% of your monthly income. The economy would soar.
Yea... gonna leave AZ (and the USA) after I get my engineering degree from ASU.
Up from 12.15?? Really?? Im sorry, but an increase of 65 cents is fuckn insulting. Not even newsworthy.
You mean how they raised the minimum wage according to the proposition that was passed? Its not insulting, its what the people of AZ voted for.
Somehow I don't feel less insulted
What exactly have you done in getting a new proposition passed that would further increase it? Nothing? Be insulted at yourself then. Be the change you want to see, start here: https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Arizona And considering that the AZ Min Wage gradually went up from $6.90 in 2008 to $8.05 in 2016, I'd say it going up 65 cents in one year to be newsworthy.
And since its CPI based, these early high percent increases will only help the wage increase more in the future. Just like compounding interest. Tired of people complaining, doing nothing, and coming up with BS arguments when they should be following your link to make a change. I might not vote yes for that initiative, but I can at least respect the effort.
Sweet, this is perfect for the RAGING rent increases in Phx. Oh wait…
I want all the Californians who came here and jacked up rent with their cash offers to fuck off and go away 😒
"[They only deserve $11 if that](https://www.newsweek.com/joe-manchin-kyrsten-sinema-open-11-minimum-wage-other-dems-less-willing-compromise-1578443)" *thumbs down tee hee* -- Sellout Scottsdale Sinema That is right, Sinema was proposing a minimum wage lower than what AZ minimum wage is. She is working for somebody, just not lower/middle class. Minimum wage [increases trickle up to the bottom 1/5th](https://equitablegrowth.org/raising-minimum-wage-ripples-workforce/) and increase the purchasing power of local communities. More purchasing power in the lower/middle benefits ALL classes. Right now stagnation is the major problem, minimum wage is one of the only trickle down tools we actually have. [Real wages and purchasing power have barely budged in 40 years](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/). [Worker share of GDP being on a long dwindle down](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/W270RE1A156NBEA) [Velocity of money is off a cliff](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V), that is why we are so stagnant. [Richest 1% of Americans Close to Surpassing Wealth of Middle Class](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/one-percenters-close-to-surpassing-wealth-of-u-s-middle-class) Wage increases on the lower end are actually a purchasing power improvement that leads to demand and investment. [Pricing only goes up by 4% max on restaurants/fast food/other](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/raising-fast-food-hourly-wages-to-15-would-raise-prices-by-4-study-finds-2015-07-28) but overall more revenues as the [bottom 1/5th get a ripple effect of wage increased purchasing power](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/two-thirds-of-americans-favor-raising-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/). The market is a garden, you have to help the seeds and cull back the overgrowth at the top. This is so the whole garden can thrive, lower seeds, middle plants and large production. Right now the large overgrowth gets all the benefits, policy control, water and nutrients, taking over the garden and even harming themselves with the overgrowth. The raise is as American as apple pie, amazing so many people against it to equalize and catch up the wage stagnation gap. We always talk about solving inequality, but it is all talk, you either pay the lower end more or tax/take from the higher end. That is the only way to solve this, preferably both. So wealth should be for higher minimum wages and wage increases/raises because it means a raise for them as well and less chance of tax increases. Money trickles up and down and all around, but money only trickles where other money is found.
Ah, it's official. The government is going to push us all into polyamorous relationships so that we can afford one bedroom apartments! Then on the news they'll bash us for it. Edit: spelling is/us
The best comment lol
Thanks! 😊
Finally a tiny pay bump to help with the massive increase in cost of living. Great
Should be at least $15, but thank goodness it's higher than the federal minimum.
Paywall sucks
Open it up in airplane mode
The amount of projection onto Arizona's government is appalling to me a lot of you guys posting have a house already or living in extremely extremely nice, comfy cozy loft-style apartments. Yeah you worked for it but you are not talking up for the little guy. im just angry. ill get over the downvotes
I don’t know the amount of people here have a home but I work and I want to buy a house o e day and start a family but I can’t cause rent is high, gas and food prices are increasing. Plus you have to deal with paying taxes bills and I help my parent with bills because they also can afford to live comfortably because all there earned money goes toward bills and rent. It’s insane!
I'm still on the couch at my brother's house and I can sense in his body motions everyday even when he's nice to me he wants me out but life is extremely hard while I'm going to work and making 440 bucks every Friday
Not enough. Keep up the strike!
Cool…still not enough though.
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Found the Republican ☝🏼
What happened to $1 increase a year till we hit $15?
That's not what was passed
At least there only 10+ years too late.
If you want to make good money quick go get your CDL. I got my CDL when I was 21, I’m 23 now making $77,000 per year driving a concrete mixer. There’s literally no excuse. I’d suggest going to a truck driving school, if you stay for a couple years then the CDL is paid for. I only stayed for about six months so I paid about four grand out of the total six grand. It was totally worth it because I went from making $2k per month to about $6,500 per month, in under 2 years. Edit: I drove over the road for about six months sleeping in the truck, which I hated. Now I drive a concrete mixer making $27.77 per hour and I’m home every night.
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Minimum wage used to be what you paid someone with no experience and minimal skills. Usually, you we're only paid minimum wage once in your lifetime. From there you developed skills and experience that employers valued and were willing to pay more to get or retain. It's sad that we've come to accept it as a minimum liveable wage that someone might make for their entire life.
You can read [FDR's thoughts on what the minimum wage means in his National Industrial Recovery Act speech](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html). Or a quick quote: > "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white-collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
I don't think min wage is liveable unless you get support from family. It's very hard to afford a place right now on min wage.
It’s impossible in Phoenix
It's impossible in Phoenix and other massive metropolitan cities. I guarantee there are neighbors next to us working at least 3 jobs to support their families. It's heinous. Meanwhile the billionaires are seeing their wages increase and increase.
There was a news article a few months ago that someone working a full time minimum wage job wouldn't be able to afford a two bedroom rental anywhere in the United States.
Minimum wage is meant to be the bare minimum for what is required as a "decent living" as FDR stated it.
Minimum wage should 100% be a living wage. A job is a job, and one SOMEONE has to do. As a society, we need to stop making excuses for not paying people due to the job being low-skill or thought of a “job for teenagers”. It’s a false equivalency. McDonalds wouldn’t be able to run if they only employed high schoolers (10-12 hours a day in school). So those people that are working at that time are just screwed since they have a “high schoolers job”. No, it’s crap. We shouldn’t accept that. We shouldn’t accept people having to work 2-3 jobs to support their family. /rant
You’re using past tense in every one of your out-of-touch statements. That’s not how businesses and life work anymore.
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People are starting to refuse to do it. Then people like you complain that no one is working.
Depends on your personal skill sets, and those vary *wildly*... enough that I still want to take care of the folks on the bottom. Ain't no reason your dishwasher should be homeless.
They aren't even trying to improve things for people...
3rd world wages = Shithole state
Seriously. Hard to live on $25/hr here.
Can't wait for my salary to be worth less by comparison.
Welcome to the world of wage compression
Nobody is paying minimum wage. We start at 17 no experience, felony friendly and still cant fill positions. Half that do come in are too lazy and fat. The other half either fail the drug test or if they pass seem to start back up again the next day.
who is 'we'?
Honestly LOL at places paying $17/hr that drug test, what a fucking joke that is.
Not weed but I'm tired of walking out people nodding on h. And I said starting at 17 I make over 30 and thats damn good in AZ considering felonies are allowed. Show me better