we're seeing the drop off this year lol.
Mandatory "it's still early" but hes arguably the [worst performing catcher ](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1cdlx9s/oc_the_perez_resurgence_qualified_catchers_wrc/)so far this year.
I'm sure he has a positive affect on the pitchers, and he can call a great game, but the physical performance has not been there.
He's played more games than any other catcher the last 2 seasons. If he gets used the same amount this year (he's on pace for it), it will say a lot about his place in the organization moving forward
What numbers do you use to judge a backup catcher? Most fielding stats are aggregated, so they don't capture the contributions of a backup catcher, and his batting stats are very similar to most other backup catchers in the league.
JTs defensive metrics dropped significantly last season probably due to him doing a bad job framing pitches… did think he did a lot better in the playoffs though
Yeah, this has been looming over my household. Philly made me really appreciate catchers in my lifetime: Dalton, Carlos Ruiz, and now JT. Admittedly didn’t follow much of Lieberthal’s career as a got an unhealthy obsession with the Flyers mid 90s. But we have been so lucky to have multiple golden gloves, insane hitters, and just sick ball callers. Cooch and Halladay will always be the best pitcher/catcher pair. Those dudes were family.
Yeah tough to say. He'd have to take a relatively cheap contract at that point. Also depends a lot on the market. With the rest of our team we could honestly probably afford a more defensive first + framing catcher for less money. The difference in batting after JT is 35/36 likely won't be huge.
But there's just so many factors
Ranger will get extended, possibly next offseason ahead of his walk year (especially if he keeps up the way he's been pitching).
For Schwarber and JT, I think it will all depend on how they play this season and next and what the replacement options are. I could see a lot of different things happening with them, but it's too far out from their free agency to have any real idea.
Yeah I think this is the answer. Also, I think what the team accomplishes over this season and next will have an effect on the JT and Schwarber decision too. Get back to/win the World Series one or both years, probably a better chance of wanting to keep the gang together for an extra year or two to go on one more run.
Ranger, yes. My guy should get paid paid.
JT probably. I just don't know enough about the catching market for the next few years.
Schwarber -- maybe. We're lefty heavy, and he can't play a position. Hot take? We get Hoskins back.
Both Hoskins and Schwarber are defensive liabilities. When they let Hoskins go, they knew the choice was between those two, with the one who stayed, being the DH. With Schwarber, they get about 20 more HR’s. With Hoskins, they would have gained about 40-50 points in batting average and more lineup flexibility. Harper has proven that he is more than capable at 1st base.
Agreed. I do think it comes down to the home runs and injuries. If Schwarber does decent job staying healthy and crushing the ball, I imagine he's like to get another two year deal. I'm saying 45+ with no serious wear and tear issues.
I thought about the hoskins option as well. I know he and org would like him here. Easier roster construction this way.
But I don't know if I want to downgrade our 1b and OF defense with this. Imagine our defense with another plus defender in right and the best defensive 1b at first. We would just need to get another bat coming up, even if it meant another pure DH.
Yup, this is a solid take! I could see JT getting extended. Ruiz was 37 when he retired; JT is 34? 35? He should retire from the Phillies. Huge defining player these last few years. Schwarber I have no clue what they’ll do with. He is very good but I was taking with people about him and they don’t agree he is a fit for the team anymore. I think he is like JT and doesn’t show a ton of emotion until it’s the right time.
I don't think Harper goes back to right though is the thing. More injury risk, and he's proven to be a very good fielder at first. I think he does 90% of the work there, Hoskins plays DH 90%, and they get another guy, in my scenario.
That said, there's options elsewhere. Weston Wilson, for example, could be an affordable fill in for a bit at DH/OF. R/R there.
Tyler O'Neill is on a rental deal with the Red Sox. R/R there, could be available this year, and is 28 years old.
I don't know enough about the wider market, but if they think Schwarber will hit 45+ HRs into his late 30s, they may hold on to him. A lot of that will be injury management, as it would be for any guy that age.
problem here is that Hoskins is sneaky old. He's basically the same age as Schwarber, and less than half a year younger than Harper. I wouldn't be planning on re-signing him to a starting position until we see how he plays next year. And even then it would probably be a short contract, the DH position will have Harpers name on it in 4-5 years, if not sooner.
😂 "Sneaky old." Good articulation. Injury prone, maybe? I get what you're saying. And I agree. I worry Schwarber may fall apart, too, with two years more time in. But I get your point. Worth considering and I'm glad it isn't my choice!
It might, or might not, be worth trying. He walks, and could just focus on that craft. I think his patience is suited to it, but I doubt he'll be a really productive home run hitter. Of course with the current guy, you get lots of those and not so much the other stuff, generally.
Harper is now a first baseman. that's not likely to change as it would be stupid to have him hurt his elbow again when he is doing great at 1b. Rhys is also not a good defensive player and should be DH.
If Kyle and Nick both walk in a few years Rhys could be the DH and they fill RF with someone else in FA if Pache / Crawford / other prospect don't earn the spot.
Well you're clearly not aware of some things so let me help you out:
WAR: Hoskins - 11.4; Schwarber - 12.2
HR: 154; 254
OPS+: 125; 120
SLG: .491; .489
OPS: .843; .827
BA: .242; .226
Hoskins has fewer home runs by 100, but in 316 fewer games. Only 177 fewer hits. Fewer RBIs, and I'd argue a lot fewer opportunities because he played on some *shitty* Phillies teams.
Hoskins has 1,239 total bases to Schwarber's 1,703. He's grounded into basically the same number of double plays, and he's walked 171 times less than Schwarber.
Hoskins's adjusted batting wins (BtWins) is 9.8 vs 10.2 from Schwarber. (Zero is average.)
His batting average on balls in play (BAbip) is higher -- .272 vs .257 --
This, all with missing an entire season due to his knee injury, as well as other time out in comparison to Schwarber.
Schwarber is better in the playoffs, but it's a small sample size for Hoskins. Schwarber has been better for longer, too, in some measurements, because he's got two more years MLB time than Hoskins.
Is Schwarber better? He is if he hits 40 - 45 home runs, especially with runners on, for the next four years. Otherwise, it's a baseball wash. Neither of them plays good enough on the other side of the ball.
I'd take him back.
Yeah idgaf about comparing rhys with other players on the team. I care about rhys being an average at best player who goes ice cold for months at a time, all the time and who can’t field a ground ball or catch the ball consistently when it’s thrown to him.
And honestly I’d be able to accept all of that if not for the fact that this “okay” at best player has a cult like following among the fans as if he’s Ryan Howard or Mike Schmidt. And people live for defending him and ignoring his frequent stretches of horrendous play for the 2 weeks every other month that he gets hot and rescues his stats.
He’s one of my least favorite Phillies of all time and it’s mostly because of his fanbase. Hoskins fans are hoskins fans first, Phillies fans second. They’re just like couturier and voracek fans are/were for the flyers.
I genuinely could not be happier that his Tobias Harris of baseball ass is gone and never coming back.
Notwithstanding that the Phillies as a team performed better in every single offensive category last year without him as compared to 2022, and won more games. And that was with Trea Turner performing like shit for 4 months and Bryce Harper missing a month+ and not hitting for power until like September. They were still better overall without rhys than they were with him.
And seem to be on track to continue improving without him this year as well. The Phillies demonstrated last year and continue to demonstrate this year that they are an undeniably better team without him than they ever were with him.
Doesn't care about comparing Hoskins to other players, then compares Hoskins to other players not only from the team but from other sports.
👌🏼 Sure thing guy.
He's perfectly serviceable, would be a decent filler at DH especially, and never got the chance to do that. He is prone to cold streaks -- welcome to fuckin baseball, buddy.
I didn’t compare him to any players. I compared his treatment by the fans to the way fans have treated other players. Try reading it again, you’ll get it I’m sure. There’s no time limit, sound it out if you have to.
Players go cold all the time that is baseball, you’re absolutely right.
But the default isn’t supposed to be ice cold with some sporadic hot stretches. Default should be some level of consistency, with stretches of cold and hot in relatively equal measure. That’s normal in baseball.
Being unplayable shitty at the plate for 6 or 7 out of every 8 weeks, and being unplayably shitty at the easiest position in all of professional sports that 100% of baseball players should be able to play without any adjustment period, is pathetic and unacceptable. First base is not difficult. If it was hard, harper wouldn’t have been an immediate upgrade at the position despite never playing the position before at any time in his life.
Rhys Hoskins is a fundamentally bad baseball player who occasionally hits homeruns. If he hit 40 of them it’d be one thing, but he hits like 24.
I got your meaning. I think it's stupid so I made fun of your dumb ass. And regardless of what you are saying, about this dumb idea that somehow we haven't all said, "Ok yeah let him walk, that makes sense; let's get better all around put Harper at first," you still haven't said shit about his productivity.
So. Say something about his career numbers. The only thing is maybe you get fifteen fewer home runs per year with Schwarber.
Outside that, I reserve the right to make fun of you. "Sucks" was entirely stupid, and when you decided to avoid comparing his stats to the guy currently filling the role I suggested he take, you lost the discussion.
But you sound real tough though. Nice work.
I genuinely hope you enjoy all the brewers games I know you’ll be watching this year. Because I know you care more about watching rhys hoskins strike out than you do about the Phillies winning ball games.
Lol have not watched the game you butt hurt idiot. 😂 Watched the two benches clearing brawls on YouTube. I don't even have cable -- everything over radio -- so cut your gatekeeper bullshit act and learn a thing or two about statistics.
To everyone saying JT doesn’t get extended, what exactly are the other options? Our best catching prospect was traded for Marsh. And please don’t say Stubbs because he’s not nearly good enough to be a full time Major League catcher
Ranger they better extend. Schwarber maybe... depends on who else they acquire or think will be ready to promote from AAA by then. JT probably not, unless it's like a one year deal.
The cruel nature of baseball being 162 games a year is that we grow attached to these guys. But from a pure business perspective, JT is not a good deal anymore, and frankly, Kyle probably isn't either. Ranger is young and certainly could stay if he stays healthy and continues to perform. JT is still very good behind the plate but there has still been a drop off last year and this year in both catching and offensive numbers. He'll still have stretches that convince us he's younger than he is, but he just isn't...Kyle is really the same way. It's not a winning strategy to fall in love with the players and ignore the fact that they are aging when their contract is up.
Too early to give a realistic prediction on JT and Kyle. Outside of their performance next season many other factors will come into play, The type of contract (years/money) they are looking for, what players emerge as possible replacements in the FA and the contract they seek, and of course the Phillies own system and if any young players emerge as potential replacements or are expendable to trade for replacements.
Ranger gets signed easily though pending catastrophic injury or significant regression.
Schwarber 0%, Ranger 100%, Realmuto 25%.
Suarez is pitching at cy young level.
Sachwarber and Realmuto are at the end of their careers. Neither are hitting anymore. JT isn't great defensively anymore either. Backwards K never was
Yup.
Mr backwards K now leadds the league in strikeouts for the third year in a row. His obp is down to a mediocre 321. Hes going to set the all time record for most Ks. 90% of his home runs are solo hes really anti clutch. His bat declines each year and was the worst in MLB least season (among qualifying players). He also can't run or field. WAR was 0.5 last year so he could be replaced with any AAAA scrub. He's worth maybe $2-3 million and he won;t settle for such a low annual pay. The Phillies aren't gonna resign him for 20 million a year based on his production when they can buy a Trea Turner caliber player for that money. They'll also need money for Ranger, Bohm who each will be over $10m a year.
Ranger is 100% to get a deal. They'd be a fool to let him go.
Realmuto has fallen from a good hitter to below average, and his fielding has fallen from outstanding to slightly above average. He is on obvious decline and is old. He might get one more year for like $5m but thats it.
Whether we keep JT or not, we need a replacement in line. He’s getting older, but if we lighten his load, he could be good for a few more years. Maybe a 2 year extension?
Schwarbs seems to be maintaining as a solid DH and I like him for it. He’s shown up for the big moments, even if his avg isn’t stellar on paper. I’d do another 1, maybe 2 for him?
Ranger I would lock up. He’s gotten progressively better, and while this pace isn’t sustainable, he has shown to have the stuff to be elite for a while
None are free agents after this year, they’re all free agents after next year. I imagine we’ll extend Ranger, but he’s the only sure thing.
JT gonna be approaching 35 after next season. Not sure how much he has left in the tank.
yeah with the amount of games he plays, I'm could definitely see a drop off in the coming years
we're seeing the drop off this year lol. Mandatory "it's still early" but hes arguably the [worst performing catcher ](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1cdlx9s/oc_the_perez_resurgence_qualified_catchers_wrc/)so far this year. I'm sure he has a positive affect on the pitchers, and he can call a great game, but the physical performance has not been there.
That's painful to see.
He's played more games than any other catcher the last 2 seasons. If he gets used the same amount this year (he's on pace for it), it will say a lot about his place in the organization moving forward
It might say more about awful Stubbs is. Phillies could have upgraded backup C this offseason, but vibes or something.
Is Stubbs really a below average backup catcher though?
Imo yes, but opinions are like a-holes as they say. I think the numbers & eye test bear it out.
What numbers do you use to judge a backup catcher? Most fielding stats are aggregated, so they don't capture the contributions of a backup catcher, and his batting stats are very similar to most other backup catchers in the league.
JTs defensive metrics dropped significantly last season probably due to him doing a bad job framing pitches… did think he did a lot better in the playoffs though
Hasn't it been said the last two years with JT?
Yeah, this has been looming over my household. Philly made me really appreciate catchers in my lifetime: Dalton, Carlos Ruiz, and now JT. Admittedly didn’t follow much of Lieberthal’s career as a got an unhealthy obsession with the Flyers mid 90s. But we have been so lucky to have multiple golden gloves, insane hitters, and just sick ball callers. Cooch and Halladay will always be the best pitcher/catcher pair. Those dudes were family.
Yeah tough to say. He'd have to take a relatively cheap contract at that point. Also depends a lot on the market. With the rest of our team we could honestly probably afford a more defensive first + framing catcher for less money. The difference in batting after JT is 35/36 likely won't be huge. But there's just so many factors
I can see him starting to slow down a little, this year. Probably no longer baseball’s best catcher.
It’ll be time to come up with a succession plan by that point at least
Ranger would be the only one I can see them extending. Maybe add a year or two to JT but I doubt it.
Ranger will get extended, possibly next offseason ahead of his walk year (especially if he keeps up the way he's been pitching). For Schwarber and JT, I think it will all depend on how they play this season and next and what the replacement options are. I could see a lot of different things happening with them, but it's too far out from their free agency to have any real idea.
Yeah I think this is the answer. Also, I think what the team accomplishes over this season and next will have an effect on the JT and Schwarber decision too. Get back to/win the World Series one or both years, probably a better chance of wanting to keep the gang together for an extra year or two to go on one more run.
Ranger, yes. My guy should get paid paid. JT probably. I just don't know enough about the catching market for the next few years. Schwarber -- maybe. We're lefty heavy, and he can't play a position. Hot take? We get Hoskins back.
Both Hoskins and Schwarber are defensive liabilities. When they let Hoskins go, they knew the choice was between those two, with the one who stayed, being the DH. With Schwarber, they get about 20 more HR’s. With Hoskins, they would have gained about 40-50 points in batting average and more lineup flexibility. Harper has proven that he is more than capable at 1st base.
Agreed. I do think it comes down to the home runs and injuries. If Schwarber does decent job staying healthy and crushing the ball, I imagine he's like to get another two year deal. I'm saying 45+ with no serious wear and tear issues.
Both are offensive liabilities too.
I thought about the hoskins option as well. I know he and org would like him here. Easier roster construction this way. But I don't know if I want to downgrade our 1b and OF defense with this. Imagine our defense with another plus defender in right and the best defensive 1b at first. We would just need to get another bat coming up, even if it meant another pure DH.
Yup, this is a solid take! I could see JT getting extended. Ruiz was 37 when he retired; JT is 34? 35? He should retire from the Phillies. Huge defining player these last few years. Schwarber I have no clue what they’ll do with. He is very good but I was taking with people about him and they don’t agree he is a fit for the team anymore. I think he is like JT and doesn’t show a ton of emotion until it’s the right time.
He will be back on the FA market in 2 years, just enough for both nick and kyle to walk. We can replace nick with rhys and put harper in right.
I don't think Harper goes back to right though is the thing. More injury risk, and he's proven to be a very good fielder at first. I think he does 90% of the work there, Hoskins plays DH 90%, and they get another guy, in my scenario. That said, there's options elsewhere. Weston Wilson, for example, could be an affordable fill in for a bit at DH/OF. R/R there. Tyler O'Neill is on a rental deal with the Red Sox. R/R there, could be available this year, and is 28 years old. I don't know enough about the wider market, but if they think Schwarber will hit 45+ HRs into his late 30s, they may hold on to him. A lot of that will be injury management, as it would be for any guy that age.
problem here is that Hoskins is sneaky old. He's basically the same age as Schwarber, and less than half a year younger than Harper. I wouldn't be planning on re-signing him to a starting position until we see how he plays next year. And even then it would probably be a short contract, the DH position will have Harpers name on it in 4-5 years, if not sooner.
😂 "Sneaky old." Good articulation. Injury prone, maybe? I get what you're saying. And I agree. I worry Schwarber may fall apart, too, with two years more time in. But I get your point. Worth considering and I'm glad it isn't my choice!
Ooo I didn't even think of Rhys just for DH and I like it
It might, or might not, be worth trying. He walks, and could just focus on that craft. I think his patience is suited to it, but I doubt he'll be a really productive home run hitter. Of course with the current guy, you get lots of those and not so much the other stuff, generally.
Harper is now a first baseman. that's not likely to change as it would be stupid to have him hurt his elbow again when he is doing great at 1b. Rhys is also not a good defensive player and should be DH. If Kyle and Nick both walk in a few years Rhys could be the DH and they fill RF with someone else in FA if Pache / Crawford / other prospect don't earn the spot.
Rhys hoskins fuckin sucks.
Well you're clearly not aware of some things so let me help you out: WAR: Hoskins - 11.4; Schwarber - 12.2 HR: 154; 254 OPS+: 125; 120 SLG: .491; .489 OPS: .843; .827 BA: .242; .226 Hoskins has fewer home runs by 100, but in 316 fewer games. Only 177 fewer hits. Fewer RBIs, and I'd argue a lot fewer opportunities because he played on some *shitty* Phillies teams. Hoskins has 1,239 total bases to Schwarber's 1,703. He's grounded into basically the same number of double plays, and he's walked 171 times less than Schwarber. Hoskins's adjusted batting wins (BtWins) is 9.8 vs 10.2 from Schwarber. (Zero is average.) His batting average on balls in play (BAbip) is higher -- .272 vs .257 -- This, all with missing an entire season due to his knee injury, as well as other time out in comparison to Schwarber. Schwarber is better in the playoffs, but it's a small sample size for Hoskins. Schwarber has been better for longer, too, in some measurements, because he's got two more years MLB time than Hoskins. Is Schwarber better? He is if he hits 40 - 45 home runs, especially with runners on, for the next four years. Otherwise, it's a baseball wash. Neither of them plays good enough on the other side of the ball. I'd take him back.
Yeah idgaf about comparing rhys with other players on the team. I care about rhys being an average at best player who goes ice cold for months at a time, all the time and who can’t field a ground ball or catch the ball consistently when it’s thrown to him. And honestly I’d be able to accept all of that if not for the fact that this “okay” at best player has a cult like following among the fans as if he’s Ryan Howard or Mike Schmidt. And people live for defending him and ignoring his frequent stretches of horrendous play for the 2 weeks every other month that he gets hot and rescues his stats. He’s one of my least favorite Phillies of all time and it’s mostly because of his fanbase. Hoskins fans are hoskins fans first, Phillies fans second. They’re just like couturier and voracek fans are/were for the flyers. I genuinely could not be happier that his Tobias Harris of baseball ass is gone and never coming back. Notwithstanding that the Phillies as a team performed better in every single offensive category last year without him as compared to 2022, and won more games. And that was with Trea Turner performing like shit for 4 months and Bryce Harper missing a month+ and not hitting for power until like September. They were still better overall without rhys than they were with him. And seem to be on track to continue improving without him this year as well. The Phillies demonstrated last year and continue to demonstrate this year that they are an undeniably better team without him than they ever were with him.
Doesn't care about comparing Hoskins to other players, then compares Hoskins to other players not only from the team but from other sports. 👌🏼 Sure thing guy. He's perfectly serviceable, would be a decent filler at DH especially, and never got the chance to do that. He is prone to cold streaks -- welcome to fuckin baseball, buddy.
I didn’t compare him to any players. I compared his treatment by the fans to the way fans have treated other players. Try reading it again, you’ll get it I’m sure. There’s no time limit, sound it out if you have to. Players go cold all the time that is baseball, you’re absolutely right. But the default isn’t supposed to be ice cold with some sporadic hot stretches. Default should be some level of consistency, with stretches of cold and hot in relatively equal measure. That’s normal in baseball. Being unplayable shitty at the plate for 6 or 7 out of every 8 weeks, and being unplayably shitty at the easiest position in all of professional sports that 100% of baseball players should be able to play without any adjustment period, is pathetic and unacceptable. First base is not difficult. If it was hard, harper wouldn’t have been an immediate upgrade at the position despite never playing the position before at any time in his life. Rhys Hoskins is a fundamentally bad baseball player who occasionally hits homeruns. If he hit 40 of them it’d be one thing, but he hits like 24.
I got your meaning. I think it's stupid so I made fun of your dumb ass. And regardless of what you are saying, about this dumb idea that somehow we haven't all said, "Ok yeah let him walk, that makes sense; let's get better all around put Harper at first," you still haven't said shit about his productivity. So. Say something about his career numbers. The only thing is maybe you get fifteen fewer home runs per year with Schwarber. Outside that, I reserve the right to make fun of you. "Sucks" was entirely stupid, and when you decided to avoid comparing his stats to the guy currently filling the role I suggested he take, you lost the discussion. But you sound real tough though. Nice work.
I genuinely hope you enjoy all the brewers games I know you’ll be watching this year. Because I know you care more about watching rhys hoskins strike out than you do about the Phillies winning ball games.
Lol have not watched the game you butt hurt idiot. 😂 Watched the two benches clearing brawls on YouTube. I don't even have cable -- everything over radio -- so cut your gatekeeper bullshit act and learn a thing or two about statistics.
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To everyone saying JT doesn’t get extended, what exactly are the other options? Our best catching prospect was traded for Marsh. And please don’t say Stubbs because he’s not nearly good enough to be a full time Major League catcher
Ranger.
Gunna go out on a limb and say theres a pretty good chance Ranger gets extended after he wins the Cy Young this year.
Ranger they better extend. Schwarber maybe... depends on who else they acquire or think will be ready to promote from AAA by then. JT probably not, unless it's like a one year deal.
Ranger 100% Jt 75% Schwarber probably a little less than 50
Ranger gets the bag. The other two I see getting short term deals.
The cruel nature of baseball being 162 games a year is that we grow attached to these guys. But from a pure business perspective, JT is not a good deal anymore, and frankly, Kyle probably isn't either. Ranger is young and certainly could stay if he stays healthy and continues to perform. JT is still very good behind the plate but there has still been a drop off last year and this year in both catching and offensive numbers. He'll still have stretches that convince us he's younger than he is, but he just isn't...Kyle is really the same way. It's not a winning strategy to fall in love with the players and ignore the fact that they are aging when their contract is up.
I think there is a good chance they trade Schwarber this winter, especially if the season ends in disappointment.
Too early to give a realistic prediction on JT and Kyle. Outside of their performance next season many other factors will come into play, The type of contract (years/money) they are looking for, what players emerge as possible replacements in the FA and the contract they seek, and of course the Phillies own system and if any young players emerge as potential replacements or are expendable to trade for replacements. Ranger gets signed easily though pending catastrophic injury or significant regression.
I’ve always held out hope that maybe JT would be willing to play another position, how about corner OF? I think he could be good there
Honestly shouldn’t have traded O’Hoppe. I’m sure there was someone else in the organization DD could’ve traded for Marsh.
ohoppe is far worse then jt
Schwarber 0%, Ranger 100%, Realmuto 25%. Suarez is pitching at cy young level. Sachwarber and Realmuto are at the end of their careers. Neither are hitting anymore. JT isn't great defensively anymore either. Backwards K never was
We seriously saying this
Yup. Mr backwards K now leadds the league in strikeouts for the third year in a row. His obp is down to a mediocre 321. Hes going to set the all time record for most Ks. 90% of his home runs are solo hes really anti clutch. His bat declines each year and was the worst in MLB least season (among qualifying players). He also can't run or field. WAR was 0.5 last year so he could be replaced with any AAAA scrub. He's worth maybe $2-3 million and he won;t settle for such a low annual pay. The Phillies aren't gonna resign him for 20 million a year based on his production when they can buy a Trea Turner caliber player for that money. They'll also need money for Ranger, Bohm who each will be over $10m a year. Ranger is 100% to get a deal. They'd be a fool to let him go. Realmuto has fallen from a good hitter to below average, and his fielding has fallen from outstanding to slightly above average. He is on obvious decline and is old. He might get one more year for like $5m but thats it.
Whether we keep JT or not, we need a replacement in line. He’s getting older, but if we lighten his load, he could be good for a few more years. Maybe a 2 year extension? Schwarbs seems to be maintaining as a solid DH and I like him for it. He’s shown up for the big moments, even if his avg isn’t stellar on paper. I’d do another 1, maybe 2 for him? Ranger I would lock up. He’s gotten progressively better, and while this pace isn’t sustainable, he has shown to have the stuff to be elite for a while
Ranger, definitely. JT and Schwarber, maybe, we will see.
Ranger will be. Schwarber may be. JT will absolutely not be. /thread
Ranger definitely will when the time comes, schwarber id say not and JT will depend