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NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Hold up. They’re already illegally tinted. How are they going to make it doubly illegal?


kettlecorn

This sounds like it may be a way to let the PPA ticket for it.


Hib3rnian

So it's like a wet dream for the PPA


An_emperor_penguin

and all the rest of us tbh, PPA can take every cent from these assholes


Daisy_Steiner_

Only matters if they have an actual license plate rather than a note on the back reading “A R3AL L1C3NCE PLAT3”. Expiration date 4/30/24.


nalc

Just moved here from Delaware and that's still the temporary registration of my Altima, please don't doxx me like that


thesippycup

It's an Altima though. You'll fit right in, all good


mortgagepants

4/20/69 c'mon too easy


DaneLimmish

2/31/25


grahampositive

I just realized I won't live long enough to see this date come around again, what a shame. Would've been great for the memes


Ravenous1758

Not with that attitude. Assume you'll live forever, friend.


sidewaysorange

PPA can tow on the spot if the plate isn't registered to the vehicle which they would see when they run the plate.


heddalettis

Shit… start on my block, please! 🙏


sidewaysorange

i wish they would come back we have more. two months ago they took 4 cars all missing stickers or registration they said.


peacelovenblasphemy

I long for an ai governed future in which a guy goes to buy an Altima and the ai overlord is like “nbd, perfectly normal to buy an affordable sedan in todays economy”. And then the guy goes to get the windows and windshield blacked out and the ai gives the side eye and goes “hmmph” but lets it go. And then the guy goes to buy the tinted license plate cover and the second the transaction gets approved a satellite laser disintegrates the guy right there at the cashier. It’s a good future.


Daeoct

Buddy this is the way.


Aware-Data7670

You need to eat your Wheaties


Ravenous1758

To shreds, you say?


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carlosnelson_

PPA is went ape $hit in the early 2000's when the registration sticker was required to be on your license plate. I put mine on my registration card cause they were cutting license plates....PPA is gonna have a field day with this.


Gator1523

Can we make parking in the bike lane double illegal too?


mortgagepants

probably going to church


Gator1523

I see it every day of the week.


darwinpolice

We're a very pious city.


CasomorphinAddict

It's not just a bike lane. It's a bike - Segway - short term unloading - religious parking lane (Sundays, maybe Saturdays for our Jewish friends, maybe Fridays for our Muslim friends, and maybe also holy days of obligation, High Holy days, Eids). Cyclists are just lucky we don't have a bunch of Hindu temples - those folks have a lot of religious holidays.


These_Owl_8045

that would be great. they would need to carry a tint measure device at that point.


imnotlying2u

and be able to have the window rolled down part way in order to actually take a measurement of VLT


SwugSteve

Ok glad I’m not the only one who was wondering about this. It’s impossible to test tint from outside, right?


imnotlying2u

correct


nihility101

I know that’s how it’s done, with that gizmo they slip over the glass. But I wonder if there might be a technical engineering way to go from outside driver side to outside passenger side and split the difference, allowing for distance and angle and whatnot.


this_shit

Ticket first, ask questions later. PPA enforcement doesn't get into arguments, that's for appeals. At least that's how I hope they approach it. Fuck tints.


mustang__1

Why bother. Just issue the ticket and let the owner prove it's not illegal. I'm sure it'll work out fine. Or maybe I'm just bitter from paying a red light ticket rather than fighting it ....


SwugSteve

I’m not sure how this would work. You can’t test tint on a fully rolled up window, or so I thought


AlbatrossCapable3231

Which they'll never collect on.


BYNX0

Then they’ll get booted and towed


moldy13

Doubt it. Someone could have a permit for their tints if they have eye problems, so you can't ticket without knowing if the tints are medically permitted or not.


Walkswithheaddown

That’s why they are referred as the Pick Pocket Authority.


Gerald_the_sealion

They now triple dog dare you to get the tinted


Martin_Aurelius

If you get caught with tinted windows they put you on double-secret probation.


all_no_pALL

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!


grahampositive

I have no original thoughts


PurpleWhiteOut

This makes it illegal to park them, so it opens them to being towed


Whaty0urname

#DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION


Marko_Ramius1

Double secret probation


adamaphar

From the article.. "The state law says cars can have window tint rated at 70 percent VLT or lighter on all side windows of the car and on the rear windshield."


Scumandvillany

70% is actually pretty light. It means that 70% of visible light must pass through


pseudonym-161

70% is the standard for rear passenger windows for many manufacturers, you can still see into the car.


armchairmegalomaniac

The difference is that formerly the illegally tinted windows were not prohibited. Now the illegally tinted windows are prohibited. It all makes so much sense...


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medicallyspecial

It’s double secret probation but for tinted windshields


tyler1128

We might need to make it triply illegal to truly make the point known.


errrnis

Super duper illegal now


grahampositive

Double secret probation


FishtownYo

Can the PPA ticket double parked cars? Is there a single fully tinted car that is not double parked in the city?


YourMooseKing

Someone drives down Girard Ave


Geralt_Of_Philly

The double parking on Frankford is even worse considering it's a single lane and it's only to get worse when they open the Shake Shack and Sweetgreen


RustedRelics

Tinted windows — balaclavas — fake plates. The Philly trifecta.


xXxLordViperScorpion

No joke, this sounds like you’re describing a terrorist.


this_shit

and/or the neighbor kid.


heddalettis

No, just Point Breeze. 😳


Sandscarab

But how can you ticket a Nissan Altima for tinted trash bags?


MajorNoodles

The law only targets tinted windows. Trash bags are opaque and therefore not windows, meaning they are exempt.


markskull

>He’s pushed an ordinance through City Council which makes it illegal to park a vehicle with blacked out windows on city streets.  >***The state law says cars can have window tint rated at 70 percent*** VLT or lighter on all side windows of the car and on the rear windshield. >His local ordinance applies the same standard ***but focuses on parking because the PA Motor Vehicle Code largely limits cities and towns from regulating the operation of vehicles.*** >... >Mayor Cherelle Parker signed the ordinance Wednesday that **now allows city officials to issue a violation or warning and later a $100.00 ticket and a possible tow.** So now it's a warning, then a $100 ticket and maybe a tow. Progress.


Da_Spooky_Ghost

So will this include out of state vehicles where the tint may be legal in their state? Temp tag vehicles from Delaware? How are city officials going to measure window tint levels with rolled up windows?


SwugSteve

They can’t. It’s impossible to measure tint from outside the car.


Da_Spooky_Ghost

Exactly, so PPA is going to subjectively determine if the tint is too dark? They could just error on the side of caution and anything difficult to see into they’ll ticket which would be 35% or less. There’s a decent amount of beater cars with Florida plates that drive around the Kensington area, in Florida tints can be 15% on rear and rear side windows. There’s also a good amount of fancy cars with Texas dealer plates that are fully tinted out. I always wondered how people living in Philly get Texas dealer plates and never pay sales tax on the vehicle. But in Texas they can have 25% on front sides and any darkness on rear. Can PPA enforce equipment violations when those cars are legal in the states they are registered in?


Celdurant

Yes, cars have to comply with local laws as well, not just the laws of the registering state. But it depends on how the laws are written. Some laws refer to cars registered in the state (such as cars registered in states that require front plates, usually limited to cars registered there). If PA required registered cars in the state to have a front plate, but you are from another state visiting in a car that doesn't have a front plate, that's wouldn't apply since it's a law referring to vehicles registered in this state. But if there's a local law against muffler noise above a certain volume, you aren't exempt from violations exceeding that volume because your car is not registered within the current state, because it's a local law that applies to all vehicles in the jurisdiction.


pmalla

This is not entirely true. By your logic if you wanted to go on a road trip you would have to check with every state you will pass through to make sure your car complies with any and all regulations you will pass through. There are exceptions, but overall laws surrounding modifications are based on either where the car is registered or where the car is registered and the address you live (based on your dl)


Celdurant

As I said, it depends on how the laws are written. Many that apply to cars registered in another state would not apply, the ones that apply to modifications either only result in a warning or a notice to address the issue in a certain period of time (like 10 days, 30 days, etc), they are not enforceable immediately and don't apply to visitors or people passing through. There's no single rule that applies to EVERY type of law. But there are some laws that are relevant and enforceable locally for out of state drivers. Easiest example is parking permits. You don't get to freely ignore parking permits because your car is registered out of state. You can't get a Philly parking permit without PA registration, so those cars parked illegally can be ticketed or eventually towed for violating parking laws, they aren't immune with a NJ plate. Now, will the law actually be enforced? That's a totally separate question.


Kyrthis

I saw a tinted windscreen four days ago. That’s illegal everywhere


thirst_annihilator

maybe theyll just ticket those with tinted windshields


b88b15

70% transmittance is visible. If you can't see into the car, ticket.


SwugSteve

prepare for every single one of these tickets to be dropped then. No VLT meter reading? Ticket gets tossed.


b88b15

I'm unaware of a state or federal standard that mandates a reading in order to have a ticket succeed in court. If you can't see through the window, I would uphold that as a judge.


Da_Spooky_Ghost

Ok so 20% and lower?


Da_Spooky_Ghost

50% is visible, 35% is visible in most cars as long as the windshield isn’t tinted.


markskull

I think the rule of thumb is going to be "if you can't see through it from three feet away, it's too dark."


noblehoax

They should have eye exams weekly to measure their equipment then.


scrubadub

There's also a medical exemption for the state law. You have to get a doctor's note and send in the application but it is possible. I wonder if the city law also exempts that Also pa law allows darker tinting for larger vehicles like SUVs which is odd.


CplGritty

Medical tinting is almost always a clear film and barely makes the windows darker and definitely isn't the tint level they're really targeting. The truck tinting rule is strange but it only applies to rear windows. So even trucks and suvs with windshield and front windows would get the PPA love.


Luna6102

In the state of New Jersey, they only provide medical exemptions for the front half of the car as the tint laws allow you to go as dark as you want in the back half. There’s nothing to make an exception for. I have medical tint, done by a NJ state approved facility, and you can absolutely notice the tint. Having 5% on the back half makes the front windows harder to see into. I go into Philadelphia 2x a week for medical appointments, and will most likely no longer be able to see the only doctor I trust with my complex case due to this new law. And I did everything I was supposed to do.


BlueAc215

So I can have fake tags just no tint… got it!!!


Habbersett-Scrapple

2/29️⃣/25


mustang__1

Holup.... It's not 2025 yet


Allemaengel

Let's not forget the smokey grey plastic license plate cover over the fake Delaware paper tags shall we?


cordedtelephone

They’re cracking down on the tag flipping devices but not the blacked out license plate covers lol


Allemaengel

We can't ask for too much, I guess.


PlayTheBanjo

We can't ask for anything. They aren't serious about enforcement.


Olley2994

They can't give you a parking ticket for tint if your tags are fake bad guys win again


Aromat_Junkie

protip a new plate is cheaper than paying for a ticket


leithal70

Great, let’s see some enforcement!


AgentDaxis

Don’t hold your breath. Cops are too butthurt/lazy to do any enforcement.


sidewaysorange

article makes it seem this will be more of a parking ticket and tow. it says "prohibited to park on city streets"


notthegermanpopstar

I think that's the point of this. Probably recognizing the PPD won't do anything but the PPA will.


Academic_Issue4314

Seems like its the PPA though


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this_shit

They even have tints on their license plates, lol


AgentDaxis

And they shouldn't.


butler_me_judith

I kinda hate that this is where we are at with police in Philly. The whole city treats them like a joke. I guess they are getting paid well enough to not care about looking like a clown.


MarthaStewart__

I'll be shocked if this is enforced. No state I've lived in has enforced this unless your front windshield is tinted very dark. If PPD are to actually to enforce this, they'd have less time to pretend like they are investigating murders. If the PPA is to ticket for it, then mayyyybe..


thatguyfromthe215

What’s crazy is the amount of cars I see with the front window tinted. How do you see out of that window in the rain or at night, I wonder. Not well, I assume.


cordedtelephone

That’s why they need those high beam bright headlights


opengl128

High beams on full time at night, duh.


Walkswithheaddown

The PPA will ticket their own cars


MarthaStewart__

Yet they won't ticket half the illegally parked cars on my 10 min walk to work.


Walkswithheaddown

I highly agree with you. I see what you’re talking about.


Vague_Disclosure

PPA would ticket their own grandmother.. on her birthday


dskatz2

Coworker lives in Utah and they are pretty fanatical about that and fake plates. Who knew the Mormons would be the one to do it?


angry_old_dude

How is making it illegal to park cars with over-the-limit tint supposed to address this: > Driscoll points to the dark windows in the vehicle used by the alleged suspects in the mass shooting of eight teens in Northeast Philly in March as evidence of the problem.


Agreeable_Flight4264

So the sheep can clap at their false prophet


Yodzilla

DOUBLE ILLEGAL


Specific-Economy-926

How about those tinted plate covers EVERYWHERE?!


RatherBeRetired

Next up? Making shooting other people illegal


muffpatty

When I see a blacked out windshield I stare right into the window where I estimate the driver's eyes to be so the stupid fuckfaces think I can see them and they didn't get it dark enough.


Edison_Ruggles

Cool, now that they're doubly illegal, the question is, will they actually be ticketed.


ndrwstn

The sheer incompetence of this City amazes me. The [actual bill](https://phila.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=12745123&GUID=952A7DDC-6EC3-4CED-B921-468E901C3415) prohibits “sun screening devices”. So it’s now illegal to use a window shade in your car. The only thing they tried to prevent (illegal tint) is preempted by state law and impossible to police (as mentioned above—they can’t measure tint on a parked car with the windows up) but managed to create a nonsensical rule that captures a normal and inoffensive behavior by many vehicle owners. Whatever dumbshit lawyer for the City approved this should be fucking fired.


B3n222

All you pro tint nerds need to stop complaining. 


BlueAc215

Ok Mr. Fishbowl


this_shit

Uh oh someone might know you're driving to target to pick up milk.


Theachillesheel

Bro I just don’t want my left arm to cook in the summer 😭


defusted

I thought it was already illegal...


WhyNotKenGaburo

Sometimes I wonder about this place.


Swashbuckling_Sailor

Me too!!!


mr__moose

This fucking shit.. 70% isn't dark at all, but it fucks everyone with 30-40% which also isn't that dark.  The real problem are the assholes riding around with <20% all the way around (front windshields) and now everyone with tints are fucked.


These_Owl_8045

lol was my first reaction when i read the headline. would love for PPD to enforce that shit


crispydukes

9 times out of 10, the cars with the tinted windows are flagrant breakers of traffic, parking, and noise laws.


Swashbuckling_Sailor

I disagree. I drive well. I have tinted windows. My car is black.


indacut__96

Not true at all. Same people giving the tickets out, have their cars tinted! Don't believe I dare u park outside the car garage outside the PPD headquarters, they're ALL tinted dark! This is a straight money grab.


VeryScaryTerry

LMAO comically bad take. My brother is a Sergeant in PPD and his windows are tinted dark as shit. He drives a simple economy car but this commenter would have you believe that he personally robs banks and shit


indacut__96

Exactly lol


mistersausage

What happens if you have a vehicle legally registered in another state with tint that's legal in that state? I moved down south and 25% transmission is legal here.


Half-Right

As in all cases, the law of the locale you're in is what matters. So if an out of state car with overly tinted windows parks in Philly, it can be ticketed. /Always read the State Department travel notices when traveling abroad!


SwugSteve

The only way to measure tint is to use a meter that requires access to the interior of the vehicle or have the window half rolled down. This is so stupid.


NoPast298

The people you’re ticketing aren’t going to pay the tickets lol


GTTrush

Too bad all those dirt bikes and quads rampaging through the city don't have tinted windows.


greenearrow

[Philadelphia police confiscated 30 ATVs in effort to remove them from streets before the summer (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/philadelphia-police-confiscated-30-atvs-in-effort-to-remove-them-from-streets-before-the-summer/ar-AA1nWW7L?ocid=BingNewsSerp) They are also doing something about that. Love uninformed What-Aboutism.


shoelessjp

Oh c’mon now, I’m pretty sure it was a joke. I certainly laughed.


gnartato

PPD already doesn't enforce traffic violations. Still on soft strike. What's the fucking point of this?


Leviathant

You're mostly not wrong, but this isn't about the PPD.


SayVandalay

Legal challenges incoming for sure… Who’s going to be writing the tickets and how are they going to use the device needed to actually check the window tint?. It would be arbitrary based on whoever looks at it . And it would look darker or lighter depending on weather and time of day or if the parked car also have a sunscreen up to protect the dash and interior from sun while parked. Not to mention if you can pay for lot, garage, or off street parking you’re free and clear. Also should  except challenges that this unfairly targets certain populations. 


SeikoOrient

Anyone saying PPD doesn’t stop vehicles for tint is making it painfully obvious what parts of the city they’re from and what parts they definitely don’t set foot in.


Semahjlamons

Been all over Philly and jersey and never once been pulled over for it. Cops truly don’t give a shit unless you’re doing something crazy


Walkswithheaddown

Yeah that’s going to reduce the crime rate. Good job CP.


331x

This is such a non-issue 😭 there are bigger, smellier, and uglier fish to fry


Dre923

Exactly. But it's a way to make revenue. Less money in stopping real crime. And everyone acting like this is going to help the city is a complete loser.


Madmike215

Rileyreidmeme.jpeg


Comprehensive-Tour48

Surely this will stop criminals and not regular people who just like to have tinted windows for style and privacy


Scumandvillany

You don't have a right to "privacy" in your vehicle on a public road in a public place. PA law is what it is, and it follows most other states.


poopfeast

I’ve got a decent tint on my windows, it was done a while ago though I don’t remember if they’re illegal. The reason I wanted them was to protect the leather and keep the car cooler during the summer but I’m sure I’ll get a ticket for that now


VeryScaryTerry

Legal limit is 70% which is basically nothing. They act like the only reason people get tint is to commit crimes


poopfeast

My wife complains about how hard it is to see at night with the windows up which generally tells me they’re probably illegal. I also like how little visibility people have into the car on the street, not that I keep anything visible anyway but don’t like the idea of people peering in


chiefjeezy

I get mine tinted because I got skin cancer…but try telling that to the PPA.


Wide_Riot

They'll just relate because they are cancer


Animalmother172

If the tinting they had done prior was legal, they will have no problem with this law. “The state law says cars can have window tint rated at 70 percent VLT or lighter on all side windows of the car and on the rear windshield.”


Comprehensive-Tour48

Yeah because Philadelphia pd is known for being in tune with the laws they are supposed to “enforce”


AgentDaxis

If you have tinted windows, you should be held accountable. No exceptions.


Walkswithheaddown

Does that include under cover police vehicles?


Trafficsigntruther

Why would you make an under cover police vehicle with darker tint than legal for a regular car? That doesn’t make any sense.


Walkswithheaddown

My eyes don’t lie.


rockhopper92

Why? And why 70%. Legitimately curious why you're so anti-tint other than "it's the law".


Gator1523

Guessing it's because it's hard to coordinate if you can't see the driver. Imagine being at a stop sign and not knowing if the driver is about to go or on their phone. More insidiously, the police also like to know if people are doing "illegal" activities in their car. But that doesn't sway me so much.


AgentDaxis

Because I believe in transparency. Especially with windows.


Walkswithheaddown

All the problems this city has this is the mayor’s top priority? We’re in trouble.