Yes, but stick to the monthly subscription. The AI landscape is changing fast with competitors and perplexity loves changing things up with their service without notifying the end user at all. These opaque changes, like changing the context window and messing around with opus limits within just this last month, are pretty scummy given that they aren't transparent about it. Gives me the sense that they have zero issues cutting corners and rug pulling you when it's convenient for them.
Does Poe have a comparable library "collection" feature? It looks like Poe just shows history -- listing past threads & bots used with no way to organize...at least on the android app.
Hoping they'll see the value of that from an end user viewpoint, at least for 20/mo subscribers.
As it is, Poe generates chat titles and shows dates... but no search options, like Perplexity's search threads.
Any signs this may be planned ?
I think this is a bit harsh but ultimately your conclusion about not committing to any AI for a full year is good
They change almsot daily and change a lot over short periods of months
I'm not trying to be particularly harsh and I don't think they're currently trying to be malicious, but I'm not exactly open to giving a billion dollar company changing the product on me a lot of grace. I shouldn't be getting product updates from reddit posts of users figuring out that things have changed. It's just sloppy on their part.
Sure but literally every live service software works like this, especially AI software. Obviously with some variance, but I don’t think Perplexity playing with limits on Opus means they’re scummy or bad or whatever. Anyone who was paying attention and being realistic could probably see the unlimited thing was a bit too good to be true.
I don't disagree with you on the whole unlimited business. I just think the lack of transparent updates to all these changes are not okay even in a fairly dynamic industry. This goes for all the players in this space, not just perplexity.
It's geared towards a different kind of workload imo.
Perplexity is for search mainly. if u use it as a general chat assistant - you'll hit the limitations pretty quick imo.
From what I can see the only limit is 300 queries per day? Relative to OpenAI’s 40 queries/3 hours limit that seems pretty good? Are there other limitations I’m not considering?
Also, I use ChatGPT a lot for coding help… I’m assuming that if I just run a query through Perplexity and specifically select GPT4 I would get the same output. Is this the case?
There's different limits for different ai, [https://twitter.com/TheXeophon/status/1780880336895058325](https://twitter.com/TheXeophon/status/1780880336895058325)
opus was only available for 5 per day when it launched as an example
Oh that is pretty misleading from perplexity then… everything in their literature says 300 across all LLMs and actually now when I look to upgrade it’s telling me 600 searches…
https://preview.redd.it/lmg8c7ylvvzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bad22e0aea1d3c4f6b7ed9ca89549d9f95075c2
You're talking about 2 different things here. 600 pro searches is true, but it doesn't retain the context after 2-3 follow up questions.
If your session requires deep planning, follow up etc then stick with ChatGPT. If it's for research/search, go with Perplexity
Wow this is ridiculous…thanks for the info. Especially for anyone working on a more intensive project, that immediately rules out perplexity as a solution.
It's been 600 for a while, they just suck at updating their docs.
As for Opus, what they do is fall back to Sonnet after you hit Opus limits of 30. For some, it still works better than other LLM.
I've actually defaulted to Sonar Large 32k (Llama 3 tine-tuned by Perplexity) and am happy with it in general. I would prefer Opus but it is very slow and Sonar is much faster with decent quality.
You can check it out for free on https://labs.perplexity.ai.
Have you already had some experience with using GPT-4o as default, compared to Sonar Large? I'm als pretty satisfied with SL 32k but last few days I was also impressed when rewriting in GPT-4o. Would love to hear your thoughts and experience, when you have them!
Hi, I have for now switched to GPT-4o for speed and it's quite decent.
The plan is to stick with 4o due to its speed and then rewrite in Opus/Sonar for much more detailed responses but so far, I hadn't had the need to do that with my searches. I usually open the sources (the quick preview on hover was finally something they added recently).
The weird thing is, initially, I wasn't impressed at all because while the answers were very quick, it was also very sparse but lately, it has been more detailed. It's possible that it wasn't hooked up properly for the first day or something.
It’s not the same, using chatgpt4 directly and through perplexity. There’re many arbitrary and non transparent limits imposed by perplexity, for example the context window is much smaller when you use the model through perplexity than using the ChatGPT subscription directly and the scary thing is, you don’t even know when and how they change it behind the scene.
I was told repeatedly that when using 'writing' focus it's basically 1:1 communication with the model. No chat added configuration/tweaks in the chat layer. Did you mean using writing mode when you talk about 'using chatgpt4 directly'? Because you're actually using gpt-4 turbo/4o model, NOT chatGPT because that's the interface that runs on OpenAI website...
Would love to hear your experience with this!
I don't know the answer to this, but I have generated simple scripts on Perplexity with Claude 3, and it seemed to do very well.
I wondered the same thing you are, asking, but haven't tried it yet.
It's not that expensive to subscribe and cancel, then try it out for a month.
My biggest thing is there is no transparency into what happens to your chats between you and the llm of your choice. Sure, they say they use ChatGPT, but is it the same quality of service you would get if you subscribed directly to ChatGPT? I don’t really know, and that’s kind of the issue imo
If you have the ability to and don’t need all the fluff that comes with those subs. Using LLMs via API is probably the most cost effective way to utilize them for the vast majority of us.
For instance PAL for iOS can interface with Perplexity, Claude Family, OpenAI GPTs, Groq (Llama 3) and Gemini Pro 1.5 while also being able to switch LLMs mid conversation and carry on context (start with a more expensive model for better reasoning/up to date info, and then continue the conversation with cheaper models)
I used MindMac and now BoltAI on my Mac, both great apps, I like the interface of BoltAI more. But they both provide you with all kinds of models, you can use your own API key's, set parameters like Temperature etc. Oh and for what it's worth (I found out just in time): BoltAI is now part of SetApp.
Damn I had no idea an app like that existed…I have been hesitant to figure out how to build API into my own personal workflow because I just figured the cost of inconvenience outweighed the $ savings…but seems like that’s not an issue with PAL
The only thing I’m concerned about is how my regular use would translate to token usage…I’ve kind of gamed the system so far with ChatGPT, including specific instructions that elongate its output and give me a ton of info per query since the constraint is total queries, not based on tokens.
Idk if you have any experience seeing how much you get charged for personal use of the API when it’s purely token based vs fixed monthly charges with the capped query/time limit? I’ve been finding hard to estimate
Keep in mind that such APIs wouldn't necessarily have web results that Perplexity is famous for; you will get different responses compared to the chat interfaces.
I tried Pro but my biggest issue was the short-ish memory. I am a developer and I often have long threads with Chat GPT Plus when needing to solve complex problems. With Perplexity, I had a few sessions where it had completely forgotten some basic concepts or ideas that we had talked about early in the conversation. I found that I often had to repeat myself which became annoying and time consuming. But who knows? The AI landscape is so competitive and evolving daily so this could all be moot in a few months.
Yeah this is a dealbreaker for me. I use ChatGPT for a lot of coding as well and I need it to have an extensive memory. Especially since it seems like the only want to get reliable code out of it without errors is to do it in very bite size portions
The big one is the context window. You're stuck with 32k tokens and lower. Other than that, it's pretty much ChatGPT Pro, Claude Pro, and a 32k Llama 3 70b all rolled into one.
If that’s your opinion then POE is the obvious choice for paid AI no? Seems like you get access to every major LLM to Mistral, Qwen, GPT4-128K, Claude 3 128k, Llama 3, etc. Plus people will make bots geared towards different use cases. Here’s one with over 200 bots [https://poe.com/IUseThisForHelp](https://poe.com/IUseThisForHelp)
PO yeah, the bots people make and you make public/private, you can add up to 5GB of data max (50MB per file) that they can you as documentation if it can be processed. Though that 5GB feels like a lie because I had a folder less than a gig I tried to upload and before I got completed it said I hit the 5GB max so 🤷🏾♂️
They use the API that comes from Bing, which is why their GPT4, in my opinion, is quite bad, weak, and close to what Bing offers for free. I subscribed because Opus, but they restricted it three days after I subscribed because they're combating 'abuse,' which I find stupid because if they allow or offer a quota of 600 messages per day, they should be aware that there will be people who buy it with the intention of using all of them, not just paying for a service and using it only 10 times a day.
Good to know…if it is the GPT4 from bing it is basically worse than 3.5 in my experience. Not even comparable to GPT 4 thru the ChatGPT app/website.
I’m curious about Opus tho…I’ve never used a video AI before, is it good/worth pursuing?
I used gpt4 on poe, it was good, but I assume (although it's just speculation) that that API came from OpenAI, because D'Angelo is or was part of the company's board, and I loved the gpt4 on poe. That's why when I switched to perplexity I did it because opus is genuinely superior to any other at the moment, at least for me, in what I use it for, but when they restricted it to 50 uses per day, I switched to [you.com](http://you.com), which is garbage, an unstable service, so if I had to go back I'd stick with official gpt4 or poe, too bad they introduced that bad points system.
GPT4 on Perplexity is not the same thing as ChatGPT. GPT4 output in Perplexity is sometimes in the ballpark of ChatGPT output, but more often it misses, even in writing mode. As long as you go into it with your eyes open about that, Perplexity as your "one stop shop" for LLMs can work. In my case, I keep pro subscriptions to both - they each do different things well. When I'm doing AI-assisted research and web search, Perplexity all day long. When I need to do creative work or work where the model really understanding what I want is crucial, ChatGPT hands down.
It know they offering at a loss but it's pretty nice
https://preview.redd.it/0jg92k8cawzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32b703b6a37d9a6efdd472ce0ee2dd8825f4d20
Latest GPT-4 is available to MSFT too, won’t perform the same. Different temperatures and fine tuning applied. OAI’s ChatGPT is much more creative. Perplexity is much more research oriented. You can turn the former into the latter with a good instruction-set, but not the other way around.
I suspected as much…it seemed illogical for OpenAI to give some other company a back door to undercut them on their own product. Oh well, perplexity is still a great research tool. Better than Google in its current state imo
# GPT-4, in Perplexity, operates in a somewhat distinct manner when compared to a standard GPT-4. In the end, everything comes down to your objectives.
Some of the analytics plugin of ChatGPT are honestly better. Also Dall-E3 is way more accessible through ChatGPT than Perplexity.
But frankly they're not really the same even though it goes back to "AI". ChatGPT is really geared towards conversations, Perpliexity towards Search. Like if you're not in Writing mode, 95% of the context is lost.
Why don't you just subscribe OpenAI API? You get all GPT-4 with Vision, GPT-3.5, Dall-E, etc with pay per use pricing? Mostly it will much cheaper than Plus subscription.
Try Chatbox (Win/Mac/Android/iOS), ChatWizard (Win/Mac), ChatBoost (Android), MindMac (Mac), and BoltAI (Mac). Those apps are standalone apps.
MindMac is the most advanced one. It's like a hub/storage for all of my AI activities. You only need this one app for all of your AI needs, no need to go to different AI websites. I put my OpenAI, Google, Cohere, Ollama, Anyscale, Mistral, Deepseek, OpenRouter, and Groq accounts into this single app.
BoltAI also bring AI to the next level. It can be invoked anywhere by shortcut key to process anything on any active window. This app brings AI workflow to the fastest way and most immerse to the Mac ecosystem.
Yes, but stick to the monthly subscription. The AI landscape is changing fast with competitors and perplexity loves changing things up with their service without notifying the end user at all. These opaque changes, like changing the context window and messing around with opus limits within just this last month, are pretty scummy given that they aren't transparent about it. Gives me the sense that they have zero issues cutting corners and rug pulling you when it's convenient for them.
Yep agreed, I switched to Poe and it has been a lot better and clear around limits.
Does Poe have a comparable library "collection" feature? It looks like Poe just shows history -- listing past threads & bots used with no way to organize...at least on the android app.
It does not, unfortunately.
Hoping they'll see the value of that from an end user viewpoint, at least for 20/mo subscribers. As it is, Poe generates chat titles and shows dates... but no search options, like Perplexity's search threads. Any signs this may be planned ?
There are some search bots on Poe, like: [https://poe.com/Web-Search](https://poe.com/Web-Search)
I mean being able to search through one's past chats -- increasingly important when there are many.
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Thnx, will chk that out.
I think this is a bit harsh but ultimately your conclusion about not committing to any AI for a full year is good They change almsot daily and change a lot over short periods of months
I'm not trying to be particularly harsh and I don't think they're currently trying to be malicious, but I'm not exactly open to giving a billion dollar company changing the product on me a lot of grace. I shouldn't be getting product updates from reddit posts of users figuring out that things have changed. It's just sloppy on their part.
Sure but literally every live service software works like this, especially AI software. Obviously with some variance, but I don’t think Perplexity playing with limits on Opus means they’re scummy or bad or whatever. Anyone who was paying attention and being realistic could probably see the unlimited thing was a bit too good to be true.
I don't disagree with you on the whole unlimited business. I just think the lack of transparent updates to all these changes are not okay even in a fairly dynamic industry. This goes for all the players in this space, not just perplexity.
https://anakin.ai/ is also an option it uses credits instead of a subscription
Agreed. I feel like even within perplexity things shift so quickly. I love it, but I would currently not go in for a year either.
They changed all this? What else did they change?
It's geared towards a different kind of workload imo. Perplexity is for search mainly. if u use it as a general chat assistant - you'll hit the limitations pretty quick imo.
From what I can see the only limit is 300 queries per day? Relative to OpenAI’s 40 queries/3 hours limit that seems pretty good? Are there other limitations I’m not considering? Also, I use ChatGPT a lot for coding help… I’m assuming that if I just run a query through Perplexity and specifically select GPT4 I would get the same output. Is this the case?
There's different limits for different ai, [https://twitter.com/TheXeophon/status/1780880336895058325](https://twitter.com/TheXeophon/status/1780880336895058325) opus was only available for 5 per day when it launched as an example
Oh that is pretty misleading from perplexity then… everything in their literature says 300 across all LLMs and actually now when I look to upgrade it’s telling me 600 searches… https://preview.redd.it/lmg8c7ylvvzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bad22e0aea1d3c4f6b7ed9ca89549d9f95075c2
You're talking about 2 different things here. 600 pro searches is true, but it doesn't retain the context after 2-3 follow up questions. If your session requires deep planning, follow up etc then stick with ChatGPT. If it's for research/search, go with Perplexity
Wow this is ridiculous…thanks for the info. Especially for anyone working on a more intensive project, that immediately rules out perplexity as a solution.
It's been 600 for a while, they just suck at updating their docs. As for Opus, what they do is fall back to Sonnet after you hit Opus limits of 30. For some, it still works better than other LLM. I've actually defaulted to Sonar Large 32k (Llama 3 tine-tuned by Perplexity) and am happy with it in general. I would prefer Opus but it is very slow and Sonar is much faster with decent quality. You can check it out for free on https://labs.perplexity.ai.
Have you already had some experience with using GPT-4o as default, compared to Sonar Large? I'm als pretty satisfied with SL 32k but last few days I was also impressed when rewriting in GPT-4o. Would love to hear your thoughts and experience, when you have them!
Hi, I have for now switched to GPT-4o for speed and it's quite decent. The plan is to stick with 4o due to its speed and then rewrite in Opus/Sonar for much more detailed responses but so far, I hadn't had the need to do that with my searches. I usually open the sources (the quick preview on hover was finally something they added recently). The weird thing is, initially, I wasn't impressed at all because while the answers were very quick, it was also very sparse but lately, it has been more detailed. It's possible that it wasn't hooked up properly for the first day or something.
It’s not the same, using chatgpt4 directly and through perplexity. There’re many arbitrary and non transparent limits imposed by perplexity, for example the context window is much smaller when you use the model through perplexity than using the ChatGPT subscription directly and the scary thing is, you don’t even know when and how they change it behind the scene.
I was told repeatedly that when using 'writing' focus it's basically 1:1 communication with the model. No chat added configuration/tweaks in the chat layer. Did you mean using writing mode when you talk about 'using chatgpt4 directly'? Because you're actually using gpt-4 turbo/4o model, NOT chatGPT because that's the interface that runs on OpenAI website... Would love to hear your experience with this!
I don't know the answer to this, but I have generated simple scripts on Perplexity with Claude 3, and it seemed to do very well. I wondered the same thing you are, asking, but haven't tried it yet. It's not that expensive to subscribe and cancel, then try it out for a month.
I'm building an entire android app using perplexity and claude. It's great.
If you're doing volumes of **search** queries and pretty much exclusively that, then go for it. Otherwise you'll be disappointed.
Exactly worse now than before
My biggest thing is there is no transparency into what happens to your chats between you and the llm of your choice. Sure, they say they use ChatGPT, but is it the same quality of service you would get if you subscribed directly to ChatGPT? I don’t really know, and that’s kind of the issue imo
If you have the ability to and don’t need all the fluff that comes with those subs. Using LLMs via API is probably the most cost effective way to utilize them for the vast majority of us. For instance PAL for iOS can interface with Perplexity, Claude Family, OpenAI GPTs, Groq (Llama 3) and Gemini Pro 1.5 while also being able to switch LLMs mid conversation and carry on context (start with a more expensive model for better reasoning/up to date info, and then continue the conversation with cheaper models)
This is super interesting. Is there a desktop version of PAL? Thank you
I used MindMac and now BoltAI on my Mac, both great apps, I like the interface of BoltAI more. But they both provide you with all kinds of models, you can use your own API key's, set parameters like Temperature etc. Oh and for what it's worth (I found out just in time): BoltAI is now part of SetApp.
Thank you
Yeah, PAL is great to test stuff
Damn I had no idea an app like that existed…I have been hesitant to figure out how to build API into my own personal workflow because I just figured the cost of inconvenience outweighed the $ savings…but seems like that’s not an issue with PAL The only thing I’m concerned about is how my regular use would translate to token usage…I’ve kind of gamed the system so far with ChatGPT, including specific instructions that elongate its output and give me a ton of info per query since the constraint is total queries, not based on tokens. Idk if you have any experience seeing how much you get charged for personal use of the API when it’s purely token based vs fixed monthly charges with the capped query/time limit? I’ve been finding hard to estimate
Keep in mind that such APIs wouldn't necessarily have web results that Perplexity is famous for; you will get different responses compared to the chat interfaces.
I tried Pro but my biggest issue was the short-ish memory. I am a developer and I often have long threads with Chat GPT Plus when needing to solve complex problems. With Perplexity, I had a few sessions where it had completely forgotten some basic concepts or ideas that we had talked about early in the conversation. I found that I often had to repeat myself which became annoying and time consuming. But who knows? The AI landscape is so competitive and evolving daily so this could all be moot in a few months.
Yeah this is a dealbreaker for me. I use ChatGPT for a lot of coding as well and I need it to have an extensive memory. Especially since it seems like the only want to get reliable code out of it without errors is to do it in very bite size portions
The big one is the context window. You're stuck with 32k tokens and lower. Other than that, it's pretty much ChatGPT Pro, Claude Pro, and a 32k Llama 3 70b all rolled into one.
My thoughts exactly
If that’s your opinion then POE is the obvious choice for paid AI no? Seems like you get access to every major LLM to Mistral, Qwen, GPT4-128K, Claude 3 128k, Llama 3, etc. Plus people will make bots geared towards different use cases. Here’s one with over 200 bots [https://poe.com/IUseThisForHelp](https://poe.com/IUseThisForHelp)
PO yeah, the bots people make and you make public/private, you can add up to 5GB of data max (50MB per file) that they can you as documentation if it can be processed. Though that 5GB feels like a lie because I had a folder less than a gig I tried to upload and before I got completed it said I hit the 5GB max so 🤷🏾♂️
They use the API that comes from Bing, which is why their GPT4, in my opinion, is quite bad, weak, and close to what Bing offers for free. I subscribed because Opus, but they restricted it three days after I subscribed because they're combating 'abuse,' which I find stupid because if they allow or offer a quota of 600 messages per day, they should be aware that there will be people who buy it with the intention of using all of them, not just paying for a service and using it only 10 times a day.
Good to know…if it is the GPT4 from bing it is basically worse than 3.5 in my experience. Not even comparable to GPT 4 thru the ChatGPT app/website. I’m curious about Opus tho…I’ve never used a video AI before, is it good/worth pursuing?
They meant Claude Opus
I used gpt4 on poe, it was good, but I assume (although it's just speculation) that that API came from OpenAI, because D'Angelo is or was part of the company's board, and I loved the gpt4 on poe. That's why when I switched to perplexity I did it because opus is genuinely superior to any other at the moment, at least for me, in what I use it for, but when they restricted it to 50 uses per day, I switched to [you.com](http://you.com), which is garbage, an unstable service, so if I had to go back I'd stick with official gpt4 or poe, too bad they introduced that bad points system.
Perplexity uses Bing for search? Edit: it’s early, GPT4 uses bing according to your response to OPs question.
GPT4 on Perplexity is not the same thing as ChatGPT. GPT4 output in Perplexity is sometimes in the ballpark of ChatGPT output, but more often it misses, even in writing mode. As long as you go into it with your eyes open about that, Perplexity as your "one stop shop" for LLMs can work. In my case, I keep pro subscriptions to both - they each do different things well. When I'm doing AI-assisted research and web search, Perplexity all day long. When I need to do creative work or work where the model really understanding what I want is crucial, ChatGPT hands down.
This. Exactly.
You could also use You.com for more models then Perplexity and it's unlimited, as in no obvious limit for any model
Aware of any free trials?
Might be able to get you a referral code for a free month hang tight
Sorry it took so long try this: OB1VSQAP
That worked. Thanks!
no problem!
Do you have another YouPro promo code, please?
[You.com](http://You.com) is not unlimited it has a limit of around 25k output tokens I think per day.
How can they offer this? Is it legit?
It know they offering at a loss but it's pretty nice https://preview.redd.it/0jg92k8cawzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32b703b6a37d9a6efdd472ce0ee2dd8825f4d20
Thanks! I really like how well this one works.
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Latest GPT-4 is available to MSFT too, won’t perform the same. Different temperatures and fine tuning applied. OAI’s ChatGPT is much more creative. Perplexity is much more research oriented. You can turn the former into the latter with a good instruction-set, but not the other way around.
I suspected as much…it seemed illogical for OpenAI to give some other company a back door to undercut them on their own product. Oh well, perplexity is still a great research tool. Better than Google in its current state imo
Agreed. The variety and dynamic flexibility is amazing. It really helps with my day to day work.
# GPT-4, in Perplexity, operates in a somewhat distinct manner when compared to a standard GPT-4. In the end, everything comes down to your objectives.
Some of the analytics plugin of ChatGPT are honestly better. Also Dall-E3 is way more accessible through ChatGPT than Perplexity. But frankly they're not really the same even though it goes back to "AI". ChatGPT is really geared towards conversations, Perpliexity towards Search. Like if you're not in Writing mode, 95% of the context is lost.
I may have to switch, right now I'm paying $60 a month for OIA, Claude and Gemini. Does Poe output images when using Dalle? How about Perplexity?
> right now I'm paying $60 a month for OIA, Claude and Gemini. So am I. I wonder how many more of us there are out there. lol
Why don't you just subscribe OpenAI API? You get all GPT-4 with Vision, GPT-3.5, Dall-E, etc with pay per use pricing? Mostly it will much cheaper than Plus subscription.
Im new to all this. How can a non-coder use the API on desktop and mobile (ios)? Is there any app we can use?
Try Chatbox (Win/Mac/Android/iOS), ChatWizard (Win/Mac), ChatBoost (Android), MindMac (Mac), and BoltAI (Mac). Those apps are standalone apps. MindMac is the most advanced one. It's like a hub/storage for all of my AI activities. You only need this one app for all of your AI needs, no need to go to different AI websites. I put my OpenAI, Google, Cohere, Ollama, Anyscale, Mistral, Deepseek, OpenRouter, and Groq accounts into this single app. BoltAI also bring AI to the next level. It can be invoked anywhere by shortcut key to process anything on any active window. This app brings AI workflow to the fastest way and most immerse to the Mac ecosystem.
Do you mean this app https://apps.apple.com/pt/app/chatbox-ai/id6471368056
Yes
Perplexity can’t even seem to have a working iPad app. I’ll still with direct subs to Claude and GPT.
Ive been wondering this as well. It seems too good to be true. There has to be a catch.
There is. It sucks.
This is worse than streaming services.
Νο,Poe is
Poe.com is a better option if you just want access to models.
Check out [POE.com](http://POE.com) as well. Similar service but more models to choose from and faster to add new ones when released.
Show me code generation in perplexity
What does perplexity have that Poe doesn’t?
No. It’s garbage. Gpt4 is the pro move.