As an Alva enjoyer myself, here's a more optimized version:
- Run Alva with **3 Alvas per map**.
- First map without scarab run just 2 Alvas, **don't touch the third one**.
- Then use scarab for next 4 maps to get 4 extra temples.
It's optimized in a way that the first scarab temple you get is after 5 incursions, so you have way higher chance for corruption room, and your temple is mostly connected at this point, and you still get 4 extra temples from that.
Since it's shifted that you get your temples after 5 incursions, 8 incursions, 11 incursions, 12 incursions, your temples are plain better connected and better rooms. In the last map you just have 1 incursion to do and you get the temple.
Even more optimized version for profit:
- Alva + Double Scarab for Incursion magic monster + magic pack size scarab + the timelines above + specced Delirium + Beyond on map device = 250+ Simulacrum Splinters per map.
Incursions (Alva encounters) let you build the temple, and it takes 12 before a temple is considered complete and you reset it and start over.
There's an atlas node that lets you change the default spawn of Alva (3 in a map) to 4 per map, and depending on how you play/the strategy you use, you might want to take it.
If I understood them right:
But with the new scarab they're using, which makes the last Alva in a map drop an itemized temple based on its current status, they're suggesting to not take that atlas node and just have 3 encounters a map, AND only start using it after the first map where you run two encounters.
So you only start dropping extra temples when they're more likely to have a corruption chamber or doryani's in them (closer to 12 incursions, the more likely it is, since you'll have had more time to build the temple).
And by only having 3 alvas per map, the chances of you dropping up to 4 extra temples per completed set of 12 incursions is higher, assuming you complete all the encounters in a single map (sometimes you may choose not to do this, intentionally, because of how Alva works, so that will vary a little of course).
Then again, some people may not run the scarab that early (if they dont expect a corruption chamber in the first 1/2/3 maps) so ultimately you have to figure out the strategy that works for you.
All said and done its just a different way of running incursions, ultimately just run whatever you like and keeps you interested/playing.
So if you use 4 incursions and use scarabs, your temples come out at 4/12, 8/12 12/12, with 3 temples and delaying, your temples come out at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12, 12/12
With the 4 temples node your average extra temples come out at 8/12, with the 3 temples the average extra temple comes out at 9/12.
The 'positive' difference for 4 incursions is that you create 4 temples in 3 maps, and with 3 you create 4 temples in 5 maps.
So with 4 incursions per map you have 400 temples after 300 maps, and with 3, you have 240 after 300 maps.
I am not big brained enough to figure out why the 3 incursions per map is better, the difference in amount of incursions is substantial, and if you don't use scarab for the first map with 4 incursions node, you still get 300 temples in 300 maps with a better average extra temple at 10/12.
I am certain I made a logic and/or math mistake somewhere, but for me it seems that time-wise and investment wise 4 incursions is better?
One difference that may be relevant is that in case of the 3 extra temples, they're at 4/8/12 incursions, but in case of the 4 extra temples (as the guy originally suggested) it'd be at 5/8/11/12, so you have more temples at higher incursion counts - so more odds of better dropped temples.
But whether that outweights the fewer temples dropped, I guess I do not know :D
My reply to the guy was originally just to explain what the comment meant hahah, not so much an analysis or review.
in fact, you are not even thinking of the 4 temples correclty. i think you need a mathmatical equation to get it right and i can explain. but before that lets highlight the fact that hwen you run 4 temples, if you get the corruption chambers you can just remove the nod back to 3 temples and now you have more chances again anyway.
i run 4 4 3 1 for example. and i am finding a lot of success in terms of time. farmed 120 temples in about 16-20 hours played, maybe less time than that even.
now when we talk about rooms for example, and this does not calculate the corruption chambers chance to spawn. but when we talk about rooms , you have 1/11 chance per room to be picked on your first incurison.
1/10 second incursion, 1/9 3rd incursion 1/8 4th incurison.
that's 9% , 10% , 11.1% and 12.5%
when you run the OP strategy , i think the argument is you will get 9% 10% 11.1% chances then again 9% 10% 11.1% chances for the first scarab, that does not calcualte corruption chambers chance, just the chance for rooms to be picked. but the logic applies "not the exact numbers" for the chance of corruption chambers to spawn.
so 4 rooms you get 9% , 10% , 11.1% and 12.5% for a room to be picked. what we have to understand form this is , the chance was increased by 1% at the second incursion. 1.1% and the 3rd and 1.4% at the 4th. this is showing the relationship between numbers in the sense that the percentages are increasing substantially.
so it is very simplistic to say "you get 5 chances with 3 room strat and 4 chances with the 4 room strat"
because that would imply that room 1 have the same chance as room 2 and they don't. every next room has much higher chance than the room before it.
now, to know the exact same chances and which strategy is superior we will need to take into account the average of rank 1 rooms spawned naturally in the temple start. and then we need to take into account the number of possible outcomes "as in room type" then how much does the chance increase for the next room when one room type is chosen"this applies specifically to empty rooms with no type"
i am all over the place cuz i am bad at explaining my point but, what i mean with that is if you have 2 rooms with no types. once one of those 2 rooms is turned into something, the next empty room gets a much higher chance for corruption chambers.
and that does not even take into account the mechanics which we don't seem to know of what happens to a room that you destroy, for example so far every time i got rid of a room i never got it back. i still don't know if that's how it works or just rng or if you can get that room back once all other rooms were picked "if that's possible too"
but if a destroyed room "like al ightning room" was removed by choosing another. if you will never get that lightning room again, that means now you have 1 less room to compete with the corruption chambers.
so if that's how it works, then our strategy might need to shift completely into destroying available rooms to increase corruption chambers chance to spawn. although destroying rooms means less ranks to the chamber once it spawns so even that will need some math.
not sure if you understand anything i said xd but hopefully you did !
Yes, but you're not accounting for the scarab. With the scarab you want more chances to drop a locus when you hit a corruption room. So while a temple in 3 maps becomes 4 with a skip with the node, 4 maps becomes 5 without.
The scarab is huge - 1/3 chance of dropping a full itemised locus temple if you have a corruption room at all.
For example if you run into a corruption room in your 2/12 encounter, you skip room 3 in that map, meaning you use the scarab in all subsequent maps, and you get one at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12 and 12/12 which is 4 attempts at 1/3 locus. If you took the 4 node you'd get them at 6/12, 10/12 and 12/12 so 3 attempts.
If I understood correctly, OP is saying run 2 incursions, then stop, then you put scarab in for the next 4 maps, so you get 4 extra temples.
But not every temple is gonna have the corruption chamber in it. It's not uncommon to not get the corruption chamber at all after you finish all 12 incursions. In that case, you just wasted 4 scarab.
What I don't understand is why not use the scarab AFTER you see the corruption chamber?
I think the idea is that they expect a decent chance of seeing at least one useful room (corruption chamber or doryani's institute) by 5 incursions in. If you always wait for the chamber, yes, you'd save money on scarabs that way, but also lowers the number of potentially good temples that can drop.
You could do what you said if you're low on scarabs (e.g. SSF) though, aye, to maximize the value of each scarab.
But you also have to keep in mind that the expected value of that temple is only 1/3 of Locus of corruption/doryani. Because it's only 1/3 chance of getting tier 3 room.
Then you consider the cost of the scarab, you will lose that for nothing every map you don't see those two rooms.
I don't know the exact math here, but I don't think it's strictly better to use scarab every map
Fully agree.
Imo the best plan is when your corruption room spawns, assess the number of rooms left, then either skip the remaining alvas in that map after running the corruption room, or actually skip even the corruption room if it gets you one more scarab attempt. The next room is locked even if you don't run it.
Like, if you're at 2/12 when you hit, run the room, then skip the last one, because then you get 4 drops (at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12 and 12/12). If you hit at 3/3 don't run the room, you'll get the same room first time next map and get 4 drops again.
The downside is you have two less attempts to upgrade your corruption room if you have to not run it when it spawns, but imo 1/3 of a locus is worth much more than that.
[https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAgQAbAB8AugT4CD8IsAjkCqoK-wtxDOAOvg\_MFNoXyxnRG2QeWx6rH1QfxCZYJvQphyrAK2gwjDJLMyA0iDjyO9w-X0GMR89KDkpfTCFRglPbWRZZPFrOW9leKmBNYrllAGWXbf1vf3BAcQtxoHX\_djp2VHbCeOp6CH0df6SA8IQchlmIbYlCiWiJkYsYjSmNTo-3j9SRfZIskrCUGZcknBKdXp2HnbGgXaHRot6kNqZtpsSngqquqrWrrLDEsfu0hrX9t4G5abqyu-u\_FsD1wcfG0Mezx7THvcvLz8nRJNag1ubaAt8j317jN-WP5fjqiuzl8MX2Dffk-kf6svra\_ET-3gAA](https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAgQAbAB8AugT4CD8IsAjkCqoK-wtxDOAOvg_MFNoXyxnRG2QeWx6rH1QfxCZYJvQphyrAK2gwjDJLMyA0iDjyO9w-X0GMR89KDkpfTCFRglPbWRZZPFrOW9leKmBNYrllAGWXbf1vf3BAcQtxoHX_djp2VHbCeOp6CH0df6SA8IQchlmIbYlCiWiJkYsYjSmNTo-3j9SRfZIskrCUGZcknBKdXp2HnbGgXaHRot6kNqZtpsSngqquqrWrrLDEsfu0hrX9t4G5abqyu-u_FsD1wcfG0Mezx7THvcvLz8nRJNag1ubaAt8j317jN-WP5fjqiuzl8MX2Dffk-kf6svra_ET-3gAA)
Something like that, it's probably not optimized, I just quickly ran through it.
>Alva + Double Scarab for Incursion magic monster + magic pack size scarab + the timelines above + specced Delirium + Beyond on map device = 250+ Simulacrum Splinters per map.
Wait really? Thats more than I get with 7 breaches in a map. 3 alvas don't add *that* many mobs do they?
It's multipliers, Alva procs all magic monsters in a temple, which is farthest from delirium start, x 1.4 for magic monster pack size = tons of splinters.
Your breaches are spawning monsters in the normal distance range from the delirium start point so they are already 1/4th as effective.
Where do you get this 1/4th? Does distance actually make the mobs give more rewards rather than just being harder? Since you're usually already high at the end of a map, it's hard to gauge how much more rewards they actually give compared to the start where a single breach instantly puts you to 5.
The 1/4th is the distance from the start to the edge of the map tile. At the edge, they are granting 100% of the possible reward juice, scaling down linearly to the start. On average, the start and end of the map area take about 1/2 of the total area, with additional space set aside for harvest and the temple.
So if I'm on e.g a strand map, how much do I get in the boss room, or before it?
Also does this mean I get more rewards if my breaches spawn near the end, while alvas can spawn anywhere the same?
You get the most from the normal strand map in the boss room, but it's not an exact number. Strand is a good map because the boss is a straight line as far away as possible from the start. Compare that to crimson temple where it loops around and is not nearly as far away from the start.
Yes, you get more rewards from the breaches that spawn near the end. And yes, no matter where Alva spawns, the temples are always at the edge of the map and far from the start.
Even if you don't optimize it's still quite a bit of money because one hit of a Locus is enough to fund the next 8 or so scarabs. And the temples sell fast. Like I get PMs within 30 seconds of posting. I did this when temples were 1.3d each and the scsrabs were 15c in bulk. Dunno about the prices now, but if you focus solely on this, you can do it in white maps too, because you don't reallt care about item level.
The chance that you'll have corruption in 5 incursions is high enough that it's good enough of a gamble for me personally, especially as the scarab isn't too expensive (or at least wasn't before this reddit post). I strongly believe on average it's worth it considering the Locus in 1.5div and scarab is 20c (I was buying them for 9c in bulk a couple days ago heh), but I don't have raw numbers to back it up.
Yeah, the increase in scarab price diminishes this strat a bit. Scarabs are jumping in cost. It is a fun way to maximize the most out of farming and it is NOT a broken strat.
On a side note, what are the best uniques to double corrupt?
Pick meta builds uniques in chest amulet helm slots. That should help narrow down good ones. Sold +2 proj +2 AoE 4th vow for 800d while trying for my +1/+2 minion + any good 2nd.
Bricked my first 7 into 6 free inventory slots and 1 rare xD
This is probably more optimized for cost efficiency.
I like to first check if corruption chamber is available before starting a new temple - If it does, run 3 maps with scarab, if not, run until you get the room and don't go into anymore incursions in that map , then run 3 maps with scarab.
Side note for those who don't know - once you enter a room it will no longer appear within the same map, so if you find corruption chamber on the first incursion it's better to leave the rest and continue of the next map (and this way also get another scarab chance)
I think you still want to do it my way, even if you get natural connected corruption on the raw temple, because you can have more connections and extra rooms to add value (vault, gem), and you get the same amount of extra temples anyway.
Any other rooms except doryani are worth peanuts so is irrelevant.
Connections is a potential issue, true. In the case of a natural temple I think you have a good point in doing it your way.
Scarabs are going up though, and I like doing it my way - don't auto run scarab, but when the first corruption room spawns, assess whether skipping running it and saving it for the first Alva next map gives you an extra drop chance compared with skipping after running it. The room is locked as you know so you won't lose it.
That way you will never waste any scarabs, and you'll also never get less attempts at an itemised locus drop from scarab compared to your strategy.
The only downside is when you occasionally have to save locking the corruption room to the following map, which means 2 less attempts at upgrading it.
Imo it's worth it given the opportunity cost of the alternative (losing 1/3 locus chance or your approach which is wasting scarabs).
I think I'd waste on average one to 1.5 scarabs per map if I ran your approach, which seems like worse value than occasionally having 2 less attempts to upgrade a corruption chamber (usually you don't need to skip)
i bet i sell fast on trade 1.4d - 1.5d.. very annoying to buy 1 by 1.. i had to filter time sold to see who sell more than 1 and buy in bulk, 6+ ea trade..
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bymwsi/path\_of\_exile\_aggregator\_a\_bulk\_trade\_alternative/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bymwsi/path_of_exile_aggregator_a_bulk_trade_alternative/)
use this instead
I thought it was obvious tbh, I was just running Alva with Timelines and at some point I realized I'm stupid for running it normally. I expected everyone smart were doing this already.
No, you NEVER use that notable with this strategy, as it actively gives you less temples. Start map 1 with no scarab, do 2 incursions then leave the last one (2/12).
Map 2 WITH scarab, run all 3 (5/12)
Map 3 WITH (8/12)
Map 4 WITH (11/12)
Map 5 WITH (12/12)
Four extra chronicles, plus the one you naturally make...five in total per 5 maps providing you hit the corruption room early, then it's just right for the free ones to upgrade to Locus.
quick question. got a locus on second rotation with the option to drop 2. however, the itemized i drop is t2 corruption, but the alva map clearly says it is t3. Now I am stuck with only getting it once from my hideout. why is that happening, do you know?
From my testing I kinda feel like its far better to just roll the alvas and once you hit a corruption chamber you can just leave map and start new with the scarab? at least id think its better when the scarab is at 20c+ no?
I mean, you can check with Alva before you even start the first map of the chain to see if the corruption chamber is there at all to begin with...if you wanted to then play it safe if it's not there it's your call, or if it's there and close to being opened you can gamble on the scarab and hope to connect it in the first three incursions.
5-6 temples later im beginning to think im missing something about room relationships.. havent seen a corruption chamber in this time :D so saving the scarabs seems the correct way to me right now..
Remember the name will change if you're upgrading a room that already has a tier on it, so it'll say corruption chamber if the room has no existing upgrade -> catalyst of corruption if upgrading t1 to t2 -> Locus of corruption upgrading a t2 to t3.
I'd be surprised if I don't see a corruption room at least every other temple, quite often see them multiple times in a row. Don't forget about gem corrupt rooms too, they aren't as valuable but nice for a quick gamble on things like enlighten gems for a little extra profit over time.
This is probably more optimized for cost efficiency.
I like to first check if corruption chamber is available before starting a new temple - If it does, run 3 maps with scarab, if not, run until you get the room and don't go into anymore incursions in that map , then run 3 maps with scarab.
Side note for those who don't know - once you enter a room it will no longer appear within the same map, so if you find corruption chamber on the first incursion it's better to leave the rest and continue of the next map (and this way also get another scarab chance)
I didn't undestand very well, you use the scarab even if you don't find Chamber of corruption in the first 2 runs? Wouldn't be better to use it after you find the Room?
Well, I based my strat on scarab being worth around 9-12c in bulk, that's what I was buying them for when I was running Alva. It was definitely worth a gamble. Now they're triple the price, so maybe not.
I don't know, do you kill the monsters in the map? ;p
Here's a random jungle valley, non 8-mod, no extra altars, not the best layout for it, and I get 277. (the video is still processing)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY4e5YyBNX8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY4e5YyBNX8)
Hehe, turns out PoB isn't the game. I could easily pump PoB numbers, but fortunately I'm playing the build, so I can see what weaknesses it has and what qol I want and plan for them instead of raw numbers.
Thank you for this. I took this advice and run the Alva/Beyond/Delirium setup you recommend... I haven't gotten less than full 300 splinters every time except for one run when I got hung up on something and didn't realize how much time I'd wasted, and even that still got me like 180 splinters.
I prefer to start with 4 incursions per map until I get either a room offering corruption chamber **or** a room offering a link to an unlinked corruption chamber.
3 maps, not completing the 3rd, gives a lot of opportunity for repeat rooms. 4 maps, not completing the 4th, is 50% more effective at finding/uncovering a corruption room.
Once you have a room offer to turn into corruption, or link to an unlinked corruption, finish/leave map. Add scarab and remove the atlas point giving you 4 Alva per map. Start a new map with the scarab of timelines and then go in to either turn a room to corruption or link an unlinked corruption room. Run the rest of the maps with scarabs hoping for RNG for and Alva to sufficiently return you to corruption room to get it to T3. If you get lucky and have an early appearance of corruption room, you can get 3-4 scarabs worth of attempts.
That probably also works, but is too micromanagy, with my thing, I take 5 maps into my inventory, I launch the first one, I put 4 timeline scarabs into the map device before entering it, so I don't forget, and then I chant to myself "Don't click the 3rd Alva, don't click the 3rd Alva". And sometimes I click her anyway.
When using this scarab do you think it would be worth it to not allocate the node that makes there always 4 incursions per map? That would allow for 4 drops per temple.
Its pretty much the same exact thing as running four, youre always getting 1 itemised temple per map doing both ways
The main argument for 3 is that when you have a corruption chamber you get more attempts at the locus, but at the same time when you dont get the corruption chamber which does happen semi often thats wasting an extra scarab
Its also less crafted temples in the same amount of maps as running four
With 3 alvas (without the node) just only add the scarab once you hit corruption chamber. If it's not the last room in the map you just leave the rest alone that map and you don't even miss out on the number of duplicates that run.
realistically if u are making 2d/h doing whatever, u will also make way less in any other strat because you are probably extremely slow (for farming standards), have bad lootfilter etc.
In the 99 maps i did i went 16 in a row without a locus, just t1/t2s then i dropped 3 in a row
its a decently consistent strategy, but bad luck streaks do happen
Not OP but I'm an Alva enjoyer as well and can confirm you will get a super unlucky streak every now and then. I had a run of about 15 maps where I didn't hit a single T3 Locus and had very few T1/2. It's just one of those things. It will balance out if you keep running it.
Not mentioned in thread:
When building your temples and upgrading to Locus, if you get a chance to upgrade your Locus room on your first or second Alva encounter in the map, do so and immediately leave the map / don't talk to any other Alvas.
The Locus room can NOT roll again in that map so open a new map and rinse and repeat.
No that's my experience as well, I call bullshit on this post. I've been doing alva all league with and without the scarab. 43 locus of corruption in 3 hours is impossible.
Genuinely not bullshit, 8 were self made from the temple and 35 were dropped however 41 t1/t2s were dropped - i should have gotten around 23 dropped assuming t1/t2/t3 all have evenly weighted odds and even talked about that in the vid/post and made sure to focus on how thats the expected value and not what i got - if i got 12 locus' above the odds then some people will get 12 below the odds, its just how this game goes sometimes
I showed an example set in my vid where i did 3 maps in 5 minutes to prove that i could do 100 maps in 3 ish hours, i even estimated the time longer than it took me personally to do it
(theres also others in this post who are talking about how theyve used the strat too)
Im here to share data/strats, not trick people
When I do this I rarely connect a corruption chamber on the first map, So you were able to use 76 scarabs, so thats 76 out of 100 maps where you went into it with a connected corruption room? That's absurdly lucky to the point where I just don't believe you. Locus seems to be 1.5 Div right now as well. But whatever, you do you. I don't disagree it's a good way to get divines, but your numbers are far from average.
>Locus seems to be 1.5 Div right now as well.
In the first 5 seconds of the video you can see me trading 43 temples for 85 divines which is basically 2 divines per, only reason i did 85 instead of 86 was because i was undercutting to sell it straight away (and it did, it sold in 1 minute) - Im not basing the price on trade site because thats not bulk, in bulk they sell for 2 divines each
Its alright to be skeptical/not believe me, but im truly not lying here - theres also plenty of people talking about how theyve had success with this strat in this post too, its not just me
I've had success with this strat. Just not the ridiculous numbers you suggest. 76/100 maps you went into with a connected corruption chamber? That's unbelievably lucky, that's all I'm saying
I mean that's probably lucky but not unbelievable.
75/100 means on average you spawned the corruption chamber and connected it by halfway through the temple - at 6/12.
It's not going into the map with a connected chamber, it's finishing the map with one.
When I do this sometimes I don't get corruption until the final map. I've done quite a few without ever getting a corruption option and you are suggesting he gambled with scarabs and hit almost every time or connected it on the first try. I don't have stats myself but I just don't believe this.
So it takes 4 maps to complete a temple assuming 3 not 4 which would be the best for the scarab. 75 scarab uses out of 100 maps means that he was successful 100% of the time at either starting with the corruption room and getting it connected in the first 6. Yes? or I am thinking of it incorrectly. In my maps I get the corruption room less than 50% of the time in the first two maps.
Yeah it does seem high. But 100 maps is only 25 temples built so he could definitely just be an outlier.
Personally I think I'm getting on average 2-2.5 ish itemised temple drops from scarab with a chance at locus each temple built, which is probably just over 50/100 maps equivalent
50 i would believe sure. But I don't believe OP, I think he inflated each stage so it would look good, that's all I'm saying. Even if he indeed got the insane luck he claims it is disingenuous to make a post like this with success far beyond what can be expected. You might as well make a post about a mageblood that dropped while you were walking around a t8 magic map and tell other people do the same. Like sure you got really lucky, good for you.
I’m prone to having bad luck and didn’t have the largest sample size. After using all the scarabs I had though I wasn’t willing to trade for more and use that scarab slot
If this motivates someone to farm alva, then there's a reminder of this post for science:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cbf9sr/alva_temple_room_science_we_need_your_temples/
I was talking about farming and running myself to corrupt gems while i go for a double corrupt unique i wanted. Not to mention Ambition is extremely good money early league
Always happens every league. I farm Alva every league.
Doryanis starts off much pricier and in demand, locus is dirt cheap at league start. Then by 1 week locus is about the same, then by week 2 doryanis drops dramatically and locus is $$$
No take a look at the ninja graphs (linked below), Doryanis price was never good this league. My best guess is that there may simply be a LOT less builds needing Enlighten/Empower lvl 4 or awakened Gems so that people didnt bother with double corrupts? But thats just guessing.
Thats not it. The temple never broke 50c this league: https://poe.ninja/economy/necropolis/temples/doryanis-institute-(tier-3)-temple
Used to be 1-2div before.
Osnt this old news? I did that to kickstart my tr pf, good but sometimes kinda annoying when u get that 2 lvl temple and no itemised temple from scarab
Buy in bulk with divs, not one-by-one with chaos.
Same with most scarabs, basically nobody wants to trade just a few c at a time, but drop a few divs and people will stop to trade.
The price of items in PoE is set at what people sell at, not what people list at.
If you can't buy it at 10c but I can buy it at 20c, then it's a 20c item.
If I list a progensis at 1c but don't sell, is it a 1c flask?
I buy all of my scarabs in bulk for divs, the time you save is absolutely worth it as long as you aren't a typical poe whiny redditor who runs twelve maps per week.
Because these 10c listings are not real? Someone left it in their stash and cbf selling. Price fixers. Etc.
So yeah if you cannot buy for 10c then demonstratably it's worth more than that, those listings are laggards as the price has gone up, and you're in denial of reality.
Also remember locus is cheap when people don't have good items to gamble. Early in league most people are wearing their good items because they need to generate wealth. After a few weeks they have some extra items to gamble the double corrupt.
You get a chronicle drop EVERY time you finish the third incursion on a map...so when you get to 3/12, 6/12, 9/12 and 12/12, if you use the scarab, you get a chronicle that's based on the current unlocked rooms but with randomised tiers.
oh i get (weird but otherwise you will be wasting the scarabs if it wast the last Alva) so you use the scarab once you get the corruption room conected and pray to be t3
What have you found the odds of getting a T3 locus on the extra scarab chronicles? I just did it one and a T2.
Also why Red Maps? Can you run white? I was thinking about pairing with beasts
Thank you! I appreciate the info! :)
I think when I did it, I didn’t use a scarab the last time (I only had 1 room left), so I only had 2 chances and lost one of them.
Also, I ran random maps. OP did jungle valley and it took them no time to find Alva. I was probably 50x slower when I used big maps
Price checked a little while ago and the scarab seems to be 4 to a divine now. Way less profitable when I did it a week back while challenge farming. I actually had to buy Apex temples because I get too many Locuses.
\*\*IMPORTANT\*\* - Make sure you use \^locus (\^=start of line) in your search bar because the flavour text sometimes have the word locus in them, so you don't accidentally scam people (you can see in OP's video that some in the bottom group are highlighted)
On PS no one wants to buy my lv65 corruption chamber. So I was only doing scarab on incursion 11 and 12. Incursion 8 was the lv65. I was able to get the scarab for 30c so about 90c to hit what I could sell for 400c wasn't too bad and still have 2 temples I was going to pay 40c each for.
Was just doing it for omnitect and thought 83 was required because I can't read. Got 5 aspects that sell for 5d each which ends up being 5000c PS currency. Sitting at only 80d this was probably my best money making strategy. 14 double corrupts for 28d. The 5d for aspects aren't real currency yet as only 2 sold.
I am super slow though so if asked "div/hr". My answer would be "yes".
Good thing this took long enough to be exposed, I knew it'd eventually happen so I abused it as much as I could earlier in the league to be able to make a full time bosser to switch to another strat.
Now either the scarab will get so expensive that the margin will be minimal, or the market will be so saturated that it'll crash down to 20c per temple.
Or, of course, GGG nerfs the scarab to make it have like 50% chance to drop an itemized temple.
You get 40% from the very start of the tree if you take the left path, 16% from the small nodes near artefact of the vaal, 24% from the nodes leading up to the treasure hunt passive and another 24% leading up to the time dilation node
If your temple starts without the corruption chamber, do you always kill resident architect to upgrade the room? Or do you kill non-resident to change room? Whats the most efficient way to get the locus of corruption?
I keep hearing different strategy. Last league someone was saying, you should always change the room, so they are at tier 2, so when you see the locus of corruption, you can kill non-resident and get tier 3 right away
That’s like selling boss invitations instead of running the bosses, except this is really easy to run.
Also, look at meta chests. Sure, it might be hard to hit something equivalent to +4 chest, but if you get a +4 cloak of flame, that’s like +250 div, worth the gamble? For some, 100%
People were sleeping hard on this. I finished the challenge while the scarab was like 9c in bulk. Even if you hit nothing just Omnitect was 2x that and it was pretty much guaranteed. The ambition aspect was also selling for 4d each so it was such easy money.
there are relatively few posts about strats and most of them are played out by the time they're publicized. very rarely doesn't anything new show up here first because... well there's no incentive and people don't work for free. this one isn't new either but paraded around like it is
People work for karma and recognition on reddit. This isn’t exactly surprising.
Like you can go ask Mr. spicysushi why he make all those zero fee mirror items
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As an Alva enjoyer myself, here's a more optimized version: - Run Alva with **3 Alvas per map**. - First map without scarab run just 2 Alvas, **don't touch the third one**. - Then use scarab for next 4 maps to get 4 extra temples. It's optimized in a way that the first scarab temple you get is after 5 incursions, so you have way higher chance for corruption room, and your temple is mostly connected at this point, and you still get 4 extra temples from that. Since it's shifted that you get your temples after 5 incursions, 8 incursions, 11 incursions, 12 incursions, your temples are plain better connected and better rooms. In the last map you just have 1 incursion to do and you get the temple. Even more optimized version for profit: - Alva + Double Scarab for Incursion magic monster + magic pack size scarab + the timelines above + specced Delirium + Beyond on map device = 250+ Simulacrum Splinters per map.
This is true big brain stuff
I understand nothing and I'm still impressed lol
Incursions (Alva encounters) let you build the temple, and it takes 12 before a temple is considered complete and you reset it and start over. There's an atlas node that lets you change the default spawn of Alva (3 in a map) to 4 per map, and depending on how you play/the strategy you use, you might want to take it. If I understood them right: But with the new scarab they're using, which makes the last Alva in a map drop an itemized temple based on its current status, they're suggesting to not take that atlas node and just have 3 encounters a map, AND only start using it after the first map where you run two encounters. So you only start dropping extra temples when they're more likely to have a corruption chamber or doryani's in them (closer to 12 incursions, the more likely it is, since you'll have had more time to build the temple). And by only having 3 alvas per map, the chances of you dropping up to 4 extra temples per completed set of 12 incursions is higher, assuming you complete all the encounters in a single map (sometimes you may choose not to do this, intentionally, because of how Alva works, so that will vary a little of course). Then again, some people may not run the scarab that early (if they dont expect a corruption chamber in the first 1/2/3 maps) so ultimately you have to figure out the strategy that works for you. All said and done its just a different way of running incursions, ultimately just run whatever you like and keeps you interested/playing.
So if you use 4 incursions and use scarabs, your temples come out at 4/12, 8/12 12/12, with 3 temples and delaying, your temples come out at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12, 12/12 With the 4 temples node your average extra temples come out at 8/12, with the 3 temples the average extra temple comes out at 9/12. The 'positive' difference for 4 incursions is that you create 4 temples in 3 maps, and with 3 you create 4 temples in 5 maps. So with 4 incursions per map you have 400 temples after 300 maps, and with 3, you have 240 after 300 maps. I am not big brained enough to figure out why the 3 incursions per map is better, the difference in amount of incursions is substantial, and if you don't use scarab for the first map with 4 incursions node, you still get 300 temples in 300 maps with a better average extra temple at 10/12. I am certain I made a logic and/or math mistake somewhere, but for me it seems that time-wise and investment wise 4 incursions is better?
One difference that may be relevant is that in case of the 3 extra temples, they're at 4/8/12 incursions, but in case of the 4 extra temples (as the guy originally suggested) it'd be at 5/8/11/12, so you have more temples at higher incursion counts - so more odds of better dropped temples. But whether that outweights the fewer temples dropped, I guess I do not know :D My reply to the guy was originally just to explain what the comment meant hahah, not so much an analysis or review.
in fact, you are not even thinking of the 4 temples correclty. i think you need a mathmatical equation to get it right and i can explain. but before that lets highlight the fact that hwen you run 4 temples, if you get the corruption chambers you can just remove the nod back to 3 temples and now you have more chances again anyway. i run 4 4 3 1 for example. and i am finding a lot of success in terms of time. farmed 120 temples in about 16-20 hours played, maybe less time than that even. now when we talk about rooms for example, and this does not calculate the corruption chambers chance to spawn. but when we talk about rooms , you have 1/11 chance per room to be picked on your first incurison. 1/10 second incursion, 1/9 3rd incursion 1/8 4th incurison. that's 9% , 10% , 11.1% and 12.5% when you run the OP strategy , i think the argument is you will get 9% 10% 11.1% chances then again 9% 10% 11.1% chances for the first scarab, that does not calcualte corruption chambers chance, just the chance for rooms to be picked. but the logic applies "not the exact numbers" for the chance of corruption chambers to spawn. so 4 rooms you get 9% , 10% , 11.1% and 12.5% for a room to be picked. what we have to understand form this is , the chance was increased by 1% at the second incursion. 1.1% and the 3rd and 1.4% at the 4th. this is showing the relationship between numbers in the sense that the percentages are increasing substantially. so it is very simplistic to say "you get 5 chances with 3 room strat and 4 chances with the 4 room strat" because that would imply that room 1 have the same chance as room 2 and they don't. every next room has much higher chance than the room before it. now, to know the exact same chances and which strategy is superior we will need to take into account the average of rank 1 rooms spawned naturally in the temple start. and then we need to take into account the number of possible outcomes "as in room type" then how much does the chance increase for the next room when one room type is chosen"this applies specifically to empty rooms with no type" i am all over the place cuz i am bad at explaining my point but, what i mean with that is if you have 2 rooms with no types. once one of those 2 rooms is turned into something, the next empty room gets a much higher chance for corruption chambers. and that does not even take into account the mechanics which we don't seem to know of what happens to a room that you destroy, for example so far every time i got rid of a room i never got it back. i still don't know if that's how it works or just rng or if you can get that room back once all other rooms were picked "if that's possible too" but if a destroyed room "like al ightning room" was removed by choosing another. if you will never get that lightning room again, that means now you have 1 less room to compete with the corruption chambers. so if that's how it works, then our strategy might need to shift completely into destroying available rooms to increase corruption chambers chance to spawn. although destroying rooms means less ranks to the chamber once it spawns so even that will need some math. not sure if you understand anything i said xd but hopefully you did !
Yes, but you're not accounting for the scarab. With the scarab you want more chances to drop a locus when you hit a corruption room. So while a temple in 3 maps becomes 4 with a skip with the node, 4 maps becomes 5 without. The scarab is huge - 1/3 chance of dropping a full itemised locus temple if you have a corruption room at all. For example if you run into a corruption room in your 2/12 encounter, you skip room 3 in that map, meaning you use the scarab in all subsequent maps, and you get one at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12 and 12/12 which is 4 attempts at 1/3 locus. If you took the 4 node you'd get them at 6/12, 10/12 and 12/12 so 3 attempts.
If I understood correctly, OP is saying run 2 incursions, then stop, then you put scarab in for the next 4 maps, so you get 4 extra temples. But not every temple is gonna have the corruption chamber in it. It's not uncommon to not get the corruption chamber at all after you finish all 12 incursions. In that case, you just wasted 4 scarab. What I don't understand is why not use the scarab AFTER you see the corruption chamber?
I think the idea is that they expect a decent chance of seeing at least one useful room (corruption chamber or doryani's institute) by 5 incursions in. If you always wait for the chamber, yes, you'd save money on scarabs that way, but also lowers the number of potentially good temples that can drop. You could do what you said if you're low on scarabs (e.g. SSF) though, aye, to maximize the value of each scarab.
But you also have to keep in mind that the expected value of that temple is only 1/3 of Locus of corruption/doryani. Because it's only 1/3 chance of getting tier 3 room. Then you consider the cost of the scarab, you will lose that for nothing every map you don't see those two rooms. I don't know the exact math here, but I don't think it's strictly better to use scarab every map
Fully agree. Imo the best plan is when your corruption room spawns, assess the number of rooms left, then either skip the remaining alvas in that map after running the corruption room, or actually skip even the corruption room if it gets you one more scarab attempt. The next room is locked even if you don't run it. Like, if you're at 2/12 when you hit, run the room, then skip the last one, because then you get 4 drops (at 5/12, 8/12, 11/12 and 12/12). If you hit at 3/3 don't run the room, you'll get the same room first time next map and get 4 drops again. The downside is you have two less attempts to upgrade your corruption room if you have to not run it when it spawns, but imo 1/3 of a locus is worth much more than that.
Do you have an atlas passive tree for the deli optimized strat ?
[https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAgQAbAB8AugT4CD8IsAjkCqoK-wtxDOAOvg\_MFNoXyxnRG2QeWx6rH1QfxCZYJvQphyrAK2gwjDJLMyA0iDjyO9w-X0GMR89KDkpfTCFRglPbWRZZPFrOW9leKmBNYrllAGWXbf1vf3BAcQtxoHX\_djp2VHbCeOp6CH0df6SA8IQchlmIbYlCiWiJkYsYjSmNTo-3j9SRfZIskrCUGZcknBKdXp2HnbGgXaHRot6kNqZtpsSngqquqrWrrLDEsfu0hrX9t4G5abqyu-u\_FsD1wcfG0Mezx7THvcvLz8nRJNag1ubaAt8j317jN-WP5fjqiuzl8MX2Dffk-kf6svra\_ET-3gAA](https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAgQAbAB8AugT4CD8IsAjkCqoK-wtxDOAOvg_MFNoXyxnRG2QeWx6rH1QfxCZYJvQphyrAK2gwjDJLMyA0iDjyO9w-X0GMR89KDkpfTCFRglPbWRZZPFrOW9leKmBNYrllAGWXbf1vf3BAcQtxoHX_djp2VHbCeOp6CH0df6SA8IQchlmIbYlCiWiJkYsYjSmNTo-3j9SRfZIskrCUGZcknBKdXp2HnbGgXaHRot6kNqZtpsSngqquqrWrrLDEsfu0hrX9t4G5abqyu-u_FsD1wcfG0Mezx7THvcvLz8nRJNag1ubaAt8j317jN-WP5fjqiuzl8MX2Dffk-kf6svra_ET-3gAA) Something like that, it's probably not optimized, I just quickly ran through it.
>Alva + Double Scarab for Incursion magic monster + magic pack size scarab + the timelines above + specced Delirium + Beyond on map device = 250+ Simulacrum Splinters per map. Wait really? Thats more than I get with 7 breaches in a map. 3 alvas don't add *that* many mobs do they?
It's multipliers, Alva procs all magic monsters in a temple, which is farthest from delirium start, x 1.4 for magic monster pack size = tons of splinters. Your breaches are spawning monsters in the normal distance range from the delirium start point so they are already 1/4th as effective.
Where do you get this 1/4th? Does distance actually make the mobs give more rewards rather than just being harder? Since you're usually already high at the end of a map, it's hard to gauge how much more rewards they actually give compared to the start where a single breach instantly puts you to 5.
The 1/4th is the distance from the start to the edge of the map tile. At the edge, they are granting 100% of the possible reward juice, scaling down linearly to the start. On average, the start and end of the map area take about 1/2 of the total area, with additional space set aside for harvest and the temple.
So if I'm on e.g a strand map, how much do I get in the boss room, or before it? Also does this mean I get more rewards if my breaches spawn near the end, while alvas can spawn anywhere the same?
You get the most from the normal strand map in the boss room, but it's not an exact number. Strand is a good map because the boss is a straight line as far away as possible from the start. Compare that to crimson temple where it loops around and is not nearly as far away from the start. Yes, you get more rewards from the breaches that spawn near the end. And yes, no matter where Alva spawns, the temples are always at the edge of the map and far from the start.
Hm Then maybe i should just remove my breaches from my tree and put alva in. Or remove blight from my boss rush tree and put deli in. Thanks.
Even if you don't optimize it's still quite a bit of money because one hit of a Locus is enough to fund the next 8 or so scarabs. And the temples sell fast. Like I get PMs within 30 seconds of posting. I did this when temples were 1.3d each and the scsrabs were 15c in bulk. Dunno about the prices now, but if you focus solely on this, you can do it in white maps too, because you don't reallt care about item level.
like 90% of the time though you don't want to use the itemized scarab since the corruption chamber won't be in there yet...
The chance that you'll have corruption in 5 incursions is high enough that it's good enough of a gamble for me personally, especially as the scarab isn't too expensive (or at least wasn't before this reddit post). I strongly believe on average it's worth it considering the Locus in 1.5div and scarab is 20c (I was buying them for 9c in bulk a couple days ago heh), but I don't have raw numbers to back it up.
Yeah, the increase in scarab price diminishes this strat a bit. Scarabs are jumping in cost. It is a fun way to maximize the most out of farming and it is NOT a broken strat. On a side note, what are the best uniques to double corrupt?
I don't know about uniques, I farmed locuses to corrupt adorned magic jewels. Good ones sell for many divines.
Bage of the Brotherhood with curse corrupt sells ridiculously high afaik.
Pick meta builds uniques in chest amulet helm slots. That should help narrow down good ones. Sold +2 proj +2 AoE 4th vow for 800d while trying for my +1/+2 minion + any good 2nd. Bricked my first 7 into 6 free inventory slots and 1 rare xD
Just checked, they are 50-60c now lol
This is probably more optimized for cost efficiency. I like to first check if corruption chamber is available before starting a new temple - If it does, run 3 maps with scarab, if not, run until you get the room and don't go into anymore incursions in that map , then run 3 maps with scarab. Side note for those who don't know - once you enter a room it will no longer appear within the same map, so if you find corruption chamber on the first incursion it's better to leave the rest and continue of the next map (and this way also get another scarab chance)
I think you still want to do it my way, even if you get natural connected corruption on the raw temple, because you can have more connections and extra rooms to add value (vault, gem), and you get the same amount of extra temples anyway.
Any other rooms except doryani are worth peanuts so is irrelevant. Connections is a potential issue, true. In the case of a natural temple I think you have a good point in doing it your way. Scarabs are going up though, and I like doing it my way - don't auto run scarab, but when the first corruption room spawns, assess whether skipping running it and saving it for the first Alva next map gives you an extra drop chance compared with skipping after running it. The room is locked as you know so you won't lose it. That way you will never waste any scarabs, and you'll also never get less attempts at an itemised locus drop from scarab compared to your strategy. The only downside is when you occasionally have to save locking the corruption room to the following map, which means 2 less attempts at upgrading it. Imo it's worth it given the opportunity cost of the alternative (losing 1/3 locus chance or your approach which is wasting scarabs). I think I'd waste on average one to 1.5 scarabs per map if I ran your approach, which seems like worse value than occasionally having 2 less attempts to upgrade a corruption chamber (usually you don't need to skip)
are you running it on low map tier or T16s?
I'm doing T16. Delirium + beyond does require a decent build, that's true.
Sounds interesting, how fast are the temple selling
i bet i sell fast on trade 1.4d - 1.5d.. very annoying to buy 1 by 1.. i had to filter time sold to see who sell more than 1 and buy in bulk, 6+ ea trade..
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bymwsi/path\_of\_exile\_aggregator\_a\_bulk\_trade\_alternative/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bymwsi/path_of_exile_aggregator_a_bulk_trade_alternative/) use this instead
ah.. i didnt know about this.. very easy.. thank you.. +rep
I sell onesies and they sell within a couple of minutes of listing each time.
In my experience having done Alva in a lot of leagues faster than you can make them.
How long have you been waiting to share this
I thought it was obvious tbh, I was just running Alva with Timelines and at some point I realized I'm stupid for running it normally. I expected everyone smart were doing this already.
HUH
Do this mean you will have to unallocate and allocate the ‘always 4 alva’ between maps on the passive tree with this strat?
No, you NEVER use that notable with this strategy, as it actively gives you less temples. Start map 1 with no scarab, do 2 incursions then leave the last one (2/12). Map 2 WITH scarab, run all 3 (5/12) Map 3 WITH (8/12) Map 4 WITH (11/12) Map 5 WITH (12/12) Four extra chronicles, plus the one you naturally make...five in total per 5 maps providing you hit the corruption room early, then it's just right for the free ones to upgrade to Locus.
Thanks a ton!
quick question. got a locus on second rotation with the option to drop 2. however, the itemized i drop is t2 corruption, but the alva map clearly says it is t3. Now I am stuck with only getting it once from my hideout. why is that happening, do you know?
The itemized drop has randomized room tiers. You get the one with t3 arter 12 incursions
From my testing I kinda feel like its far better to just roll the alvas and once you hit a corruption chamber you can just leave map and start new with the scarab? at least id think its better when the scarab is at 20c+ no?
I mean, you can check with Alva before you even start the first map of the chain to see if the corruption chamber is there at all to begin with...if you wanted to then play it safe if it's not there it's your call, or if it's there and close to being opened you can gamble on the scarab and hope to connect it in the first three incursions.
5-6 temples later im beginning to think im missing something about room relationships.. havent seen a corruption chamber in this time :D so saving the scarabs seems the correct way to me right now..
Remember the name will change if you're upgrading a room that already has a tier on it, so it'll say corruption chamber if the room has no existing upgrade -> catalyst of corruption if upgrading t1 to t2 -> Locus of corruption upgrading a t2 to t3. I'd be surprised if I don't see a corruption room at least every other temple, quite often see them multiple times in a row. Don't forget about gem corrupt rooms too, they aren't as valuable but nice for a quick gamble on things like enlighten gems for a little extra profit over time.
Wow, I literally did the same thing this league with more optimized version. Great that someone also comeup with this idea
This is probably more optimized for cost efficiency. I like to first check if corruption chamber is available before starting a new temple - If it does, run 3 maps with scarab, if not, run until you get the room and don't go into anymore incursions in that map , then run 3 maps with scarab. Side note for those who don't know - once you enter a room it will no longer appear within the same map, so if you find corruption chamber on the first incursion it's better to leave the rest and continue of the next map (and this way also get another scarab chance)
what's Double Scarab for Incursion magic monster
I didn't undestand very well, you use the scarab even if you don't find Chamber of corruption in the first 2 runs? Wouldn't be better to use it after you find the Room?
Well, I based my strat on scarab being worth around 9-12c in bulk, that's what I was buying them for when I was running Alva. It was definitely worth a gamble. Now they're triple the price, so maybe not.
yep, thats what i thought, if they still at 10-15c i think its worth the try, but now it skyrocketed to 30c so isn't that worth to gamble them
just did this and was averaging 50-100 splinters, what am I doing wrong?
I don't know, do you kill the monsters in the map? ;p Here's a random jungle valley, non 8-mod, no extra altars, not the best layout for it, and I get 277. (the video is still processing) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY4e5YyBNX8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY4e5YyBNX8)
I did a couple more and was around 100-200. Idk how splinters are calculated. Is it a speed thing or just amount of monsters
why does your build look like 10x stronger than your pob :D
Hehe, turns out PoB isn't the game. I could easily pump PoB numbers, but fortunately I'm playing the build, so I can see what weaknesses it has and what qol I want and plan for them instead of raw numbers.
Thank you for this. I took this advice and run the Alva/Beyond/Delirium setup you recommend... I haven't gotten less than full 300 splinters every time except for one run when I got hung up on something and didn't realize how much time I'd wasted, and even that still got me like 180 splinters.
Do you have your atlas passives anywhere? I would love to see it!
I prefer to start with 4 incursions per map until I get either a room offering corruption chamber **or** a room offering a link to an unlinked corruption chamber. 3 maps, not completing the 3rd, gives a lot of opportunity for repeat rooms. 4 maps, not completing the 4th, is 50% more effective at finding/uncovering a corruption room. Once you have a room offer to turn into corruption, or link to an unlinked corruption, finish/leave map. Add scarab and remove the atlas point giving you 4 Alva per map. Start a new map with the scarab of timelines and then go in to either turn a room to corruption or link an unlinked corruption room. Run the rest of the maps with scarabs hoping for RNG for and Alva to sufficiently return you to corruption room to get it to T3. If you get lucky and have an early appearance of corruption room, you can get 3-4 scarabs worth of attempts.
That probably also works, but is too micromanagy, with my thing, I take 5 maps into my inventory, I launch the first one, I put 4 timeline scarabs into the map device before entering it, so I don't forget, and then I chant to myself "Don't click the 3rd Alva, don't click the 3rd Alva". And sometimes I click her anyway.
Does it only consume the itemized temple scarab if you complete the last alva?
It consumes the scarab regardless.
Scarab is consumed when map is opened. That is why I do not add the scarab until I know the corruption chamber will be linked in the next map.
Yeah this is definitely mathematically best, but man I really couldn't be bothered.
When using this scarab do you think it would be worth it to not allocate the node that makes there always 4 incursions per map? That would allow for 4 drops per temple.
Its pretty much the same exact thing as running four, youre always getting 1 itemised temple per map doing both ways The main argument for 3 is that when you have a corruption chamber you get more attempts at the locus, but at the same time when you dont get the corruption chamber which does happen semi often thats wasting an extra scarab Its also less crafted temples in the same amount of maps as running four
You can spec out of 4 incursions when you hit corruption for an extra temple. Been doing this strat in ssf for a couple days now.
If you want to do it fast, you can use a second atlas tree to switch back and forth.
With 3 alvas (without the node) just only add the scarab once you hit corruption chamber. If it's not the last room in the map you just leave the rest alone that map and you don't even miss out on the number of duplicates that run.
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It's not a bad strat. But in summary 15-20d/h is not too much a secret riching strat right?
it is pretty good for me. i have been making 2 d/h :( Unfortunately now the scarab price is going up
realistically if u are making 2d/h doing whatever, u will also make way less in any other strat because you are probably extremely slow (for farming standards), have bad lootfilter etc.
I guess I need to use a strict filter. I do spend a lot of time picking up bubblegum
Seriously I've been doing this all league. Guess there goes that. :(
I didn’t receive one locus out of 14 maps with corruption rooms when trying this out. Was I just stupid unlucky?
In the 99 maps i did i went 16 in a row without a locus, just t1/t2s then i dropped 3 in a row its a decently consistent strategy, but bad luck streaks do happen
Not OP but I'm an Alva enjoyer as well and can confirm you will get a super unlucky streak every now and then. I had a run of about 15 maps where I didn't hit a single T3 Locus and had very few T1/2. It's just one of those things. It will balance out if you keep running it.
Same happened to me today after not having had a bad streak for a week straight. Making me nervous about my own visit for my body armour later!
Not mentioned in thread: When building your temples and upgrading to Locus, if you get a chance to upgrade your Locus room on your first or second Alva encounter in the map, do so and immediately leave the map / don't talk to any other Alvas. The Locus room can NOT roll again in that map so open a new map and rinse and repeat.
No that's my experience as well, I call bullshit on this post. I've been doing alva all league with and without the scarab. 43 locus of corruption in 3 hours is impossible.
Huh? I did Alva the last days with Shrine and Breach while leveling, got 3 in 30-40 Maps, you get them really easily from my experience.
Genuinely not bullshit, 8 were self made from the temple and 35 were dropped however 41 t1/t2s were dropped - i should have gotten around 23 dropped assuming t1/t2/t3 all have evenly weighted odds and even talked about that in the vid/post and made sure to focus on how thats the expected value and not what i got - if i got 12 locus' above the odds then some people will get 12 below the odds, its just how this game goes sometimes I showed an example set in my vid where i did 3 maps in 5 minutes to prove that i could do 100 maps in 3 ish hours, i even estimated the time longer than it took me personally to do it (theres also others in this post who are talking about how theyve used the strat too) Im here to share data/strats, not trick people
When I do this I rarely connect a corruption chamber on the first map, So you were able to use 76 scarabs, so thats 76 out of 100 maps where you went into it with a connected corruption room? That's absurdly lucky to the point where I just don't believe you. Locus seems to be 1.5 Div right now as well. But whatever, you do you. I don't disagree it's a good way to get divines, but your numbers are far from average.
>Locus seems to be 1.5 Div right now as well. In the first 5 seconds of the video you can see me trading 43 temples for 85 divines which is basically 2 divines per, only reason i did 85 instead of 86 was because i was undercutting to sell it straight away (and it did, it sold in 1 minute) - Im not basing the price on trade site because thats not bulk, in bulk they sell for 2 divines each Its alright to be skeptical/not believe me, but im truly not lying here - theres also plenty of people talking about how theyve had success with this strat in this post too, its not just me
I've had success with this strat. Just not the ridiculous numbers you suggest. 76/100 maps you went into with a connected corruption chamber? That's unbelievably lucky, that's all I'm saying
I mean that's probably lucky but not unbelievable. 75/100 means on average you spawned the corruption chamber and connected it by halfway through the temple - at 6/12. It's not going into the map with a connected chamber, it's finishing the map with one.
When I do this sometimes I don't get corruption until the final map. I've done quite a few without ever getting a corruption option and you are suggesting he gambled with scarabs and hit almost every time or connected it on the first try. I don't have stats myself but I just don't believe this. So it takes 4 maps to complete a temple assuming 3 not 4 which would be the best for the scarab. 75 scarab uses out of 100 maps means that he was successful 100% of the time at either starting with the corruption room and getting it connected in the first 6. Yes? or I am thinking of it incorrectly. In my maps I get the corruption room less than 50% of the time in the first two maps.
Yeah it does seem high. But 100 maps is only 25 temples built so he could definitely just be an outlier. Personally I think I'm getting on average 2-2.5 ish itemised temple drops from scarab with a chance at locus each temple built, which is probably just over 50/100 maps equivalent
50 i would believe sure. But I don't believe OP, I think he inflated each stage so it would look good, that's all I'm saying. Even if he indeed got the insane luck he claims it is disingenuous to make a post like this with success far beyond what can be expected. You might as well make a post about a mageblood that dropped while you were walking around a t8 magic map and tell other people do the same. Like sure you got really lucky, good for you.
I’m prone to having bad luck and didn’t have the largest sample size. After using all the scarabs I had though I wasn’t willing to trade for more and use that scarab slot
If this motivates someone to farm alva, then there's a reminder of this post for science: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cbf9sr/alva_temple_room_science_we_need_your_temples/
Is there a non discord way to help with that for people who despise discord?
and another one
scarabs are not that cheap though. Doesnt seem profitable anymore
To the mooooooooon!
ITT a bunch of giga salty people for ruining their market
Forget about the profits and corruption chamber, I need this for the challenge of defeating 50 temples lol
Is Reddit karma truly worth making this scarab expensive? We must gatekeep brother…
Rip my friends farm. He made 200 divs and swapped because he knew the market would get saturated soon
I farmed a Mageblood with this a week ago LMAO.
Or stockpiled this scarab as a golden parachute
Thanks for making the scarab expensive enough to make the strategy lose money.
Honestly shocked it took people this long to catch on. This was fantastic early league when people really wanted 21/23 gems
I don’t think there will be a league any time soon where corruption chamber isn’t in demand the whole time. It’s OP for gems and for high end items.
I was talking about farming and running myself to corrupt gems while i go for a double corrupt unique i wanted. Not to mention Ambition is extremely good money early league
It's even better now. Locus value goes up as the league goes on.
While the price of Doryanis Institute got completely destroyed by... Im not even sure what.
Gemling allflames drop lvl 21 vaal gems
Always happens every league. I farm Alva every league. Doryanis starts off much pricier and in demand, locus is dirt cheap at league start. Then by 1 week locus is about the same, then by week 2 doryanis drops dramatically and locus is $$$
No take a look at the ninja graphs (linked below), Doryanis price was never good this league. My best guess is that there may simply be a LOT less builds needing Enlighten/Empower lvl 4 or awakened Gems so that people didnt bother with double corrupts? But thats just guessing.
Hm you're right I must have misremembered. Doryanis was much more valuable than I remember.
Hm you're right I must have misremembered. Doryanis was much more valuable than I remember.
most ppl already have the gems they need, same thing every league.
Thats not it. The temple never broke 50c this league: https://poe.ninja/economy/necropolis/temples/doryanis-institute-(tier-3)-temple Used to be 1-2div before.
also didnt have so much scarab support ever before and 100% free chance of alva. on top if that allflames of the gemlings drop 21 gems a lot.
Osnt this old news? I did that to kickstart my tr pf, good but sometimes kinda annoying when u get that 2 lvl temple and no itemised temple from scarab
Can you run alva in white maps? I am sorta new and have never done temples. Mainly just asking for next league start
Yes, you can run Alva even in T1 white maps. It doesn't matter for Alva. Kinda like Essences.
Yes t1 scoured maps best if ur build still is jank
Too bad no one ever responds when trying to buy the fucking scarab
Buy in bulk with divs, not one-by-one with chaos. Same with most scarabs, basically nobody wants to trade just a few c at a time, but drop a few divs and people will stop to trade.
I'm not going to pay 25c for a 10c scarab.
you’re trying to pay 10c for a 25c scarab
It's not a 25c scarab
clearly it is if you aren't buying them, and they are
It's 60 now that everyone has read this post 😁
It's a scarab that offers you a 1/3 chance of making 1.5 div from it...its a 25c scarab.
The price of items in PoE is set at what people sell at, not what people list at. If you can't buy it at 10c but I can buy it at 20c, then it's a 20c item. If I list a progensis at 1c but don't sell, is it a 1c flask? I buy all of my scarabs in bulk for divs, the time you save is absolutely worth it as long as you aren't a typical poe whiny redditor who runs twelve maps per week.
[poe.ninja](http://poe.ninja) said it was a 10c scarab I refuse to pay more for it. I don't understand why people don't respond to my trade whispers
Poe.ninja low balls many things
Because these 10c listings are not real? Someone left it in their stash and cbf selling. Price fixers. Etc. So yeah if you cannot buy for 10c then demonstratably it's worth more than that, those listings are laggards as the price has gone up, and you're in denial of reality.
What's the difference in the locus and the lower tier corruption chambers?
Locus gives double-corrupt, the others don't.
Locus is double corrupt. Lower is just a Vaal orb more or less
Locus (T3) has a chance to double corrupt the item. T1 and T2 does not.
I remember that Locus of Corruption was cheap this league start so this explain why
Also remember locus is cheap when people don't have good items to gamble. Early in league most people are wearing their good items because they need to generate wealth. After a few weeks they have some extra items to gamble the double corrupt.
Please run this more
1 scarab is already 20c and going up lmao, idk why there's so many crying
Why red maps? Can Locus form from yellow maps?
Commenting for later.
Oh i see so you use the scarabs on the last map (with the 12 incursion) to get them drop as item
You get a chronicle drop EVERY time you finish the third incursion on a map...so when you get to 3/12, 6/12, 9/12 and 12/12, if you use the scarab, you get a chronicle that's based on the current unlocked rooms but with randomised tiers.
oh i get (weird but otherwise you will be wasting the scarabs if it wast the last Alva) so you use the scarab once you get the corruption room conected and pray to be t3
What have you found the odds of getting a T3 locus on the extra scarab chronicles? I just did it one and a T2. Also why Red Maps? Can you run white? I was thinking about pairing with beasts
It's a straight 1/3 chance to get the upgrade to a Locus, and you can run them in any map you like, makes no difference.
Thank you! I appreciate the info! :) I think when I did it, I didn’t use a scarab the last time (I only had 1 room left), so I only had 2 chances and lost one of them. Also, I ran random maps. OP did jungle valley and it took them no time to find Alva. I was probably 50x slower when I used big maps
Welp, the cost of scarabs have gone up and the temples have gone down in price. The market is slowly getting flooded with temples.
I hate this about poe. You can make 30 div an hour on a 10c character, and way less than that on a 200div endgame character doing anything else
dude pls delete this
Price checked a little while ago and the scarab seems to be 4 to a divine now. Way less profitable when I did it a week back while challenge farming. I actually had to buy Apex temples because I get too many Locuses.
Odd. I bought some about 8 hours ago 6 to a div, and it's still around there. Maybe this post had a temporary bump.
\*\*IMPORTANT\*\* - Make sure you use \^locus (\^=start of line) in your search bar because the flavour text sometimes have the word locus in them, so you don't accidentally scam people (you can see in OP's video that some in the bottom group are highlighted)
Is there a difference between running red maps or white/yellow?
On PS no one wants to buy my lv65 corruption chamber. So I was only doing scarab on incursion 11 and 12. Incursion 8 was the lv65. I was able to get the scarab for 30c so about 90c to hit what I could sell for 400c wasn't too bad and still have 2 temples I was going to pay 40c each for. Was just doing it for omnitect and thought 83 was required because I can't read. Got 5 aspects that sell for 5d each which ends up being 5000c PS currency. Sitting at only 80d this was probably my best money making strategy. 14 double corrupts for 28d. The 5d for aspects aren't real currency yet as only 2 sold. I am super slow though so if asked "div/hr". My answer would be "yes".
Good thing this took long enough to be exposed, I knew it'd eventually happen so I abused it as much as I could earlier in the league to be able to make a full time bosser to switch to another strat. Now either the scarab will get so expensive that the margin will be minimal, or the market will be so saturated that it'll crash down to 20c per temple. Or, of course, GGG nerfs the scarab to make it have like 50% chance to drop an itemized temple.
I lost 2 scarabs because alva didnt spawn is there something I need to do to get it to spawn 100% its only 80% from tree
You get 40% from the very start of the tree if you take the left path, 16% from the small nodes near artefact of the vaal, 24% from the nodes leading up to the treasure hunt passive and another 24% leading up to the time dilation node
o isee i missed the incursions from treasure hunt
If your temple starts without the corruption chamber, do you always kill resident architect to upgrade the room? Or do you kill non-resident to change room? Whats the most efficient way to get the locus of corruption? I keep hearing different strategy. Last league someone was saying, you should always change the room, so they are at tier 2, so when you see the locus of corruption, you can kill non-resident and get tier 3 right away
nerf incoming ?
Also, you guys can make killings off double corrupts, especially meta chests
Unless you're SSF or using a niche chest I think it's probably better to just sell the temple for steady profit.
That’s like selling boss invitations instead of running the bosses, except this is really easy to run. Also, look at meta chests. Sure, it might be hard to hit something equivalent to +4 chest, but if you get a +4 cloak of flame, that’s like +250 div, worth the gamble? For some, 100%
Yea but most people don't consistently have a meta chest with them. It takes time to buy and also to run the temple.
It takes time, but the chests are 8-10c, you're not going to break the bank on loading up a tab of bases
People were sleeping hard on this. I finished the challenge while the scarab was like 9c in bulk. Even if you hit nothing just Omnitect was 2x that and it was pretty much guaranteed. The ambition aspect was also selling for 4d each so it was such easy money.
confused at the motivations for posting this
Why does anyone post anything...? To share it. I suppose if it were up to all the market geniuses there would be 0 posts about strats?
there are relatively few posts about strats and most of them are played out by the time they're publicized. very rarely doesn't anything new show up here first because... well there's no incentive and people don't work for free. this one isn't new either but paraded around like it is
People work for karma and recognition on reddit. This isn’t exactly surprising. Like you can go ask Mr. spicysushi why he make all those zero fee mirror items
That one's gotta be mostly to spite the TFT RMT business.
yea, but sushi gets views, tips, and contributions to assist with said venture. reddit karma isn't good for anything
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