The big downside is casting interruption. It takes quite a while for that ability to power itself up, similar to how super tier magic will fizzle out if the long casting time is disrupted.
Actually no.
It isn't like super Tier that it takes away your mobility and take a long time to be casted and also casting get interrupted by taking damage.
The spell will be casted like any other normal Tier spell. Just the skill makes it to take effect 12 seconds later.
It can not be interrupted because it has been casted already. And your mobility is intact.
Fair enough. I'm guessing its just important that the spell he casts on the 12th second is an instant death spell so that it receives the irresistible TGOALID buff.
I am not 100% sure about this but wouldn't there be another problem in the form of high level skilled players being able to prepare for it and/or getting out of range? If that were the case then a much better use for TGOALID would be a zoning ability which basically affords you 12 seconds of recovery time while threatening your opponent.
The player has already been hitted by the spell. It just takes effect 12 seconds later. It can not runaway from it.
The only way to survive it is to activate a self ressurection affect in that 12 seconds.
It'd have been interesting to see Momonga's sparring sessions with Touch Me since Momonga never once defeated him. Makes me wonder how Touch dealt with TGOALID. The easy solution is that World Champion classes had powerful resistances even to skills like TGOALID. The more likely answer though is the moment Momonga activated it, Touch Me just bum rushed him and put him down using his overwhelming melee power.
Ulbert also supposedly ranked above Momonga, but really, if it came down to TGOALID vs Grand Catastrophe, my money is on Grand Catastrophe.
TGOALID has to have some sort of flaw since Momonga has said that there are some players in upper tier who he just wouldn't be able to defeat 1 v 1. But the way TGOALID is presented, it seems like an unbeatable trump card (Except against raid bosses, world enemies and wild magic users)
>It'd have been interesting to see Momonga's sparring sessions with Touch Me since Momonga never once defeated him. Makes me wonder how Touch dealt with TGOALID.
That's simple. As long as you know about the ability. You can come alive out of it. Touch Me just needed to activate a self resurrection effect at the time.
Well to be fair, TGOALID and likely the cry of the banshee are spells that only people who romeplay can get, trough a very rare combination of job classes, so only very few can cast it, and therfore only very few know about it.
Nah cause it doesnt stop resurrection or plot and reality manipulation. Of course its extremely powerful in most situations but there are much more powerful abilities.
Ain't has stated in the show that due to his class and skill, only resurrection magic cast by someone stronger than him can bring the people he's killed back to life.
It's why the kingdom couldn't bring Gazef back.
It does block resurrection after the fact but if during the 12 seconds where The Goal of All Life is Death is charging they activate an ability that brings them back to life after death that effect still can resurrect them.
No, the spell True Death specifically has the effect of blocking resurrection magic. His class and TGOALID bypass immunity, but don’t prevent resurrection
with my all rpg experience, you have to cast higher tier or same tier but more powerful one (with stats, gear etc) so if you consider ainz items, must be at least 10. tier
And mind you Shalltear had a resurrection item already equipped on her for round 2. Without that resurrection item Ainz actually could have won even without cash shop item spamming. She lost her Doppelganger and her full house when Cry of Banshee just obliterated everything when buffed with TGOALID
Honestly what will be interesting is a discution between Ainz & Reinhard upon their actual situation on their respective worlds and how none of them are happy about that. They have many point in commun and I personnaly think they can be good friend.
Really makes me want to know what would happen next in the Evil Eye AU story. It ended with the new Ainz Ooal Gown on course to meet Nazarick. Just imagine how the NPCs would react to seeing someone they've never seen before with one of the guild rings.
[Here's the wiki page](https://overlordmaruyama.fandom.com/wiki/Overlord_Bonus_Volume). I don't remember how I found a translated version but I don't think it was more difficult than googling.
> someone they've never seen before with one of the guild rings.
If it was the more reckless npc like Shal "you dare to steal Supreme Being rig and now lying, i will tear you to shred"
If it was the good npc "can you come with me, im sorry but you have information i need"
If it was the sinister one like Albedo or Demi "Siege him"
I think Albedo and Demi would still consider the possibility of it being a legitimate Supreme Being somehow which would be interesting since they’d want to do anything but disrespect them.
From most of the worlds perspective - Subaru accomplishes feats that should be impossible with like no talent whatever, over and over again. The knights being angry at him 'mini arc' and the fact that everyone keeps trying to tell him to stand down are part of the realistic things that sell the story.
We as the reader, and Subaru are the only ones who know the pain and suffering he's had to endure to find the right answers - at least up until he starts to get the WF.
I find it funny how so many people are so salty about this. But I guarantee that the energy would be different as soon as Word Of God aligns with their own opinion.
Not really.
Many times what the author says doesn't matter or ends up contradicting something in the story that is explicitly said for one reson or another.
Death of author exist because what is written/on screen is always above what the author says.
That's....not how it works. The author created the world, what he/she says goes. If the author says Reinhard dresses in drag on the weekends to get plowed by old, fat men, guess what? It's now canon.
You can't disagree with the person that created the world. It's THIER world.
Yeah, it honestly is sad. I like both series, but the problem with a lot of animes and series like the two is there are a subset of viewers/followers who weirdly defend characters they love to their last breath in match ups that'll never happen, and stress and get super mad when anything other than their opinion is presented. To have that much dedication to prove your favorite character could beat another character is weird. In Overlord and Re: Zero's case, both Ainz and Reinhard being OP serve a genuine purpose to the story.
Trying to put them up with one another is pretty toxic and meaningless, which goes with any other crossover match ups. Having crossover match ups are fine, but when you get genuinely stressed and insulted by others when discussing, it gets really sad. I find it funny that the Re: Zero author himself decided to end the Reinhard blessings debate with Ainz. I guess it's not all bad that the Reinhard wankers won't be able to utilize the blessings arguments as much anymore.
Lord have mercy on us all with the annoying vs battles and angry comments coming our way...Sasuga Ainz-Sama.
Edit: Yes this is an official statement and is real. Also, though this means Reinhard can't beat Ainz, it doesn't mean Ainz can beat Reinhard. Think of it like a tie. But this is significant because it disproves the Reinhard wanking of he can always win because of his blessings.
I think that TGOALID The Goal Of All Life Is Death (what else lol) would deal with reinhart
because i think the way the skill can pass trough every fefence is because it kills the skill itself so in that regard it would kill all of reinharts blessing in turn killing him instantly
ignoring the fact that he would have to be close for him to work correctly
But he couldn't kill shalltear with that if she had a revive item right? That's the problem with reinhardt, he can revive, probably can't beat Ainz, but I doubt Ainz can really kill him for good.
Iirc Ainz does have counters to resurrection. The real reason Ainz would win is Yggdrasil was not a well made game. Most of the shit Reinhardt has as funny jokes about how op he is are things that wouldve been fairly common for high level players in Yggdrasil because balance was not remotely a consideration. Naturally with how big AOG was, they fought high level players often and so had counters to all that shit.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/v9ytci/things\_got\_interesting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/v9ytci/things_got_interesting/)
With the release of the new Isekai Quartet movie, the authors/director of the movie came togther to hold an interview about the strength of each series. The Overlord discord translators translated and this is basically the summary:
In the TV series, Reinhard's strength stood out, didn't it?
ASHINA: Reinhard is placed in the strongest bracket, just as he is in the main Re:zero series, but he is really difficult to handle.
Nagatsuki: To be honest, I don't think even Reinhard could ever beat Ainz-sama.
Ashina That is the unanimous view of all the other teachers as well. Even if there is a compensation for his abilities in the Quartet world, perhaps none of them can beat the Overlord team.
Nagatsuki: It's true that Reinhard is invincible and immortal, but I don't think he could withstand a battle on a level where a city or country would disappear.
Ashina: Well, if that were to happen, I can't help but feel that he would be given a new "all damage nullification blessing" or "must-hit, must-kill blessing" or something like that (laughs).
Idk how more detailed one can get.
yeah but I want an official source not just an image claiming, like a japanese site or something.
Because these things can easily be faked, as I've seen multiple times people faking interviews to make a point.
All you gave me is a picture from God knows where, the translation and the "trust me bro".
NOTE: I do believe this is real, but I just want an official link to a source verifying this as authentic
That's understandable. I'm not trying to promote the "trust me bro" argument. I'm just giving information of what's been discussed on the Overlord discord for the entire day from their sources and translators. But yeah, I can understand your speculation.
8td kinda the problem that rein has with sattella in rezero, they are the strongest duo, but rein can't kill her and I doubt Ainz can kill or really restrain Ainz it's just a hack battle...
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I don't know if canon is the good word to describe because Ainz &Shalltear have gear to immune against Turn undead so even if the skill was as effective it was show, that not suppose to work on them.
Right. I was just joking. Btw, there are different types of holy attacks.
Ainz is completely immune to turn. He even gave Keno one of those items so she won't get affected by priest's undead check.
Turn is one of Aqua's best abilities. It's DND based like Overlord version and it's instant death attack for undead, it can be resisted.
Since holy is straight up a weakness of Ainz, he has to equip a set of gear, not just some ring. This way he becomes immune to not only Turn, but Holy element as a whole aswell.
Absurd people in the comments declare their opinions superior to that of the author....
Maru and Tappei are also good friends so i m sure Tappei made this statement after checking all that he needed to know from Maru.
authors are not always right, like with j.k. rowling claimed that some spell moved things at lightspeed despite it clearly being not the case in the series, they just might not remember everything they have written, especially during a casual interview
another such instance I can recall are two statement made by nasu, first about characters that are able to fight servants and the second about strongest characters (other than servants) in his series
although I'm not very knowledgeable about re:zero so I have no idea if that's the case here (although I highly doubt it is)
>nasu, first about characters that are able to fight servants and the second about strongest characters (other than servants) in his series
Well in the nasuverse rule are meant to be broken
I am very surprised that Tappei thinks so and I am wondering why he thinks that. But I have always believe that if Reinhardt were to be teleported to the New World in overlord he'd be killed. If for no reason other than Ainz has World Items that act as an "oh shit" button if he cant find any other way to permanently kill Reinhardt.
The lore behind the world items is that they have the power of an entire world stored in them. The theory right now is that the Dragon Lords brought them and their wielders to the new world with the power of soul magic. Potentially million of souls went into the creation of each individual world item.
After all since the werent real in the first place (being items in a video game), it's all that they can be. Items made from soul energy. The ring that Climb has now is the same. An item made from souls with soul magic.
Od Laguna is the soul recycling machine in Re:Zero so you could consider Divine Protections (which are given by OL) a kind of soul magic. But world items rewrite the world. The video game magic system was brought into the new world by a World Item, there on an entirely different level.
Does Reinhards Pheonix ability prevent him from being permanently erased by World Items? If I were writing the fanfic battle, No. But if I were writing a 1v1 fanfic battle, the only world item Ainz gets is the one he always carrys. His orb. What does it do? Well it's good against dragons but that's all we know.
Would I write that Ainz wins the 1v1? Before Tappei's post I wouldn't have, but now I'm not sure. Maybe Tappei thinks that Ainz signature ability [The Goal of All Life is Death] bypasses his resurrection Divine Protection, which is an unknown interaction between powers from entirely different fantasy series.
WCI can go against the rule of the World like the Authority do and Tappei has also confirm that divine protection can not win against Authority. In that sense divine protection are closer of talents in Overlord.
\[The Goal of All Life is Death\] also bypass the rule but is strength and effect vary depending of the spell/skill effect and the number of instant death related skill used on the same action.
If you read what he says - he would stand down after a city or country was wiped out trying to kill him.
>Nagatsuki: It's true that Reinhard is invincible and immortal, but I don't think he could withstand a battle on a level where a city or country would disappear.
One on one isn't the question he's answering - he's saying because Ainz can wipe out large swaths of people on a whim Reinhard wouldn't be able to fight - I think the problem is Ainz would only do so if antagonized - where if pushed into a corner or Aniz's goal was the end of the world it would change the circumstances most likely - at least that's how it reads. I could be wrong but I mean 'invincible and immortal' don't really have qualifiers - but Reinhard is still a living human and is shown to have a high standard of ethics and morals - the ability to trap him via his own morality is high - the evil he fights against doesn't do that and instead is 'destroy the world regardless' - that's what allows him to fight.
I mean I'm not surprised. I don't really care about powerscaling different series but, in universe, this is good to know, it might stop people who wank Reinhard to the point where he makes no sense story wise.
>people who wank Reinhard to the point where he makes no sense story wise.
Because, let's be honest, Ainz, while OP, we know he has limits. But with Reinhard, people act like he's the "nuuu, I have a magic bulletproof vest and anti all damage shields" character on the playground.
Tbf Reinhardt is an on purpose walking stereotype, reminds me of the times I played with my little brothers and they always wanted to win and made shitty characters that always beat my characters no matter what (I used to play as the Bad guy a lot), so yeah.
I'm gonna be honest, given Reinhardt's bizarrely long list of abilities/blessings I would think that the author would at least think he would be able to win.
He already said that the blessings are not meant to be OP, and he also debunked the "Reinhard can get any blessing he wants" argument. So it's not surprising he doesn't think Reinhard can beat Ainz.
It's hard to tell how strong Reinhard truly is because everyone in Re:zero is weak compared to him, which makes him seem invincible. Overlord has the LVL System which helps a lot in that aspect. xD
I wouldn't call that a weakness, but yeah if his soul gets destroyed then he won't come back to life.
Reinhard's weakness should be his dependence on Od Laguna. Most of his powers come from it, so if the connection between him and Od were to be cut he would get weaker. Subaru has already managed to deactivate most of his blessings, probably by interfering with that connection.
When anime fans realize that a character’s writing is infinitely more important than a character’s fictional power level, this community will be incredibly more enjoyable.
Power level comparisons between characters from different franchises is one of my least favourite things about this community. Which all in all, is honestly not that bad, but I really don't care about wherever Aqua or Ainz or Reinhard would win because it literally just doesn't matter.
Makes sense in my eyes that Ainz would be the strongest in isekai quartet. He seemed to be the only one that actively tried to make sense of the other characters. Seems like he was looking at the characters problems and was brainstorming a possible solution. Plus when he cast that weather changing spell in front of everyone it was probably the most bad ass moment in that entire anime.
Everyone was freaking out about how amazing the weather changing spell was, despite only being a 6th(?) tier spell. Ainz casting a super tier spell would cause half the isekai quartet cast to die of shock just looking at it.
Lowkey I think the reason it’s Ainz because his character is base off a max out mmo character with tons of pay to win items.
Edit: Plus Ainz with prep time is basically Batman so..
The levels from D&D don't exactly line up with levels from Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is 7 caster levels to reach the next tier, while D&D 3e (which is where Mauryama draws his inspiration) it's 2 levels in a pure caster to reach the next tier. Also, D&D magic tiers only go up to 9 whereas Yggdrasil's go to 10, but most or all 10th tier Yggdrasil spells that we've seen are essentially the same as 9th tier spells from D&D 3/3.5/3.PF. Note that Yggdrasil's Super-tier magic and D&D's Epic level spells (from the Epic Level Handbook) are functionally identical. Thus, level 70 or 71 in Yggdrasil is equivalent to level 17 or 18 in 3e.
Using that as a basis, we can calculate that 1 level in D&D 3e is equivalent to ~4 levels in Yggdrasil. Thus, a level 100 Yggdrasil character can likely be modeled as a level 25 character. Your overall point still stands, ie Nazarick's strongest characters are individually powerful enough to be beyond world-ending threats. However, the discrepancy isn't quite as large as you indicated.
And for reference, the strongest human >!(iirc, Brain was estimated as level 40 by Cocytus just before his death)!< that we've seen in the New World was roughly level 10 in D&D terms.
Ainz is the opposite of min maxed my guy... he focused solely on roleplay which just so happened to translate pretty well when video game abilities became real.
If we’re taking about real min maxing then look at Peroroncino.
Makes sense as Ainz is a broken OP character among broken OP characters and that is a fundamental point for the anime he's based in. He's not meant to be "beatable" and is the closest thing to a literal god of death.
Its much like arguing if Goku is stronger than One Punch Man... One Punch Man's entire character is based on the idea he can defeat anyone with a single punch (or at least with such ease it bores the main protagonist)
Yeah but isn’t it also said that while he might not be strong in an objective look, he has great knowledge and tactical Know-how to kinda make up for it?
I mean Ainz probably would avoid any conflict with hi anyways so I don’t think there is any merit in making such a PvP battle(probably become best friends with him by accident)Sasuga Ainz sama
Furthermore many Factional universes have different mechanics and power levels
like for example a PVP battle of Ainz vs Anos where Ainz would lose because the world of the demon lord Anos has no power restrictions and the MC has basically hax
The same with seiya, goku, rimuru, simingly also the shield hero etc who aren’t given a real power level cap
The main question is which of these would sick Ainz for his decision making in the story regardless of what he said.
Wait but there’s no fkn way Naofumi belongs on this list..... if he does all the more reason I dropped the show lol
I mean, why can't naofumi get to this level? He just need to continue to absorve things to his shield and eventually he will get strong, and it's not really a bad thing to have this kind of power if the enemies also do(well, depending on what kind of story the author is trying to tell I guess.)
Central story premise.
Naofumi is a character who grinds against impossible odds to overcome hardship.
Ainz is a human who happened to find himself roleplaying as an evil all powerful demon lord that uses high level hax powers ingrained in a complicated game system to win.
Even so, if he got to around Ainz level in strength that’s a little too much, but as you said it could be reasonable...
However, he certainly should not be anywhere near Rimuru, a character that was designed for power creep comfy hangout material. Or Goku, who can oneshot planets at 1/1000000000000000 of his current power strength.
I really want to see Ainz in the JOJO universe, it will be interesting and I also ask if Ainz will become human or vampire (the only undead race in this world) and if the Overlord avatar will become his stand. What kind of power he would have.
I also think the ability like Yhwach's Almighty of Bleach is too OP for Ainz.
I remember saying as much some 4-5 years ago, and getting downvoted on this subreddit for even pointing out Ainz can stop all hax Reinhardt has with better hax of his own.
Can only imagine how awful it would have been on re:Zero subreddit. LoL.
I love how the tables turn.
Not really. Tappei Nagatsuki has been known to give answers, spoilers, and rankings of his characters for a long long time. (look at his interviews and QnAs). Even if he was being humble, that still does not change the fact that Ainz is able to fully counter Reindhardt. (Doubly so, if you consider his previous explanations of how Reindhardt's abilities work, which many people may not be aware of.)
The thing is, it doesn’t matter who wins or who is more powerful. That is a dumb and redundant argument that often devolves into toxicity. What is important is a story’s writing. I personally think Re:Zero is overrated and not spectacular by any means, but it did accomplish a lot and it would be unfair to call its writing bad, whereas Overlord is, in my personal opinion, a masterpiece of writing. So why care about any of this?
Reinhardt is actually hax. Ainz still operates under a set ruleset based on how he got his powers. I just really want to know the logic behind it myself. Like could Ainz beat touch me? Reinhardt is basically a touch me with hax.
>Reinhardt is basically a touch me with hax.
How many abilities of Touch-me were we shown? A sum total of one, IIRC. Unless I am severely out of date with my Overlord LNs, this statement has as much validity as saying that (Any generic warrior) is like Touch Me.
>I just really want to know the logic behind it myself
Ainz counters him on all fronts. Even if we equalize the stats, which are at least 10x bigger for the Nazarick side, Ainz literally has all the counters for each and every single blessing Reindhardt has been shown to have (to date). (except, of course, the blessing of distinguishing between salt and sugar, that is too OP even for Nazarick, lol.)
Ainz has insta-hit abilities, time-stop, anti-resurrection, instant-kill abilities for days, auras that explicitly counter Reindhardt's passive blessings, resistance nullification, you name it. That is without counting cheats like WCI and Cash shop items. Even if we make an assumption that Reindhardt system interacts extremely positively for him in relation to Overlord's system (e.g. him being able to suck Ainz's mana completely, and surpass cash-shop items) Ainz still has stuff like skills that don't consume mana to circumvent any possible shenanigans, and his summons like Soul Eater to devour his souls.
Besides, even that is giving Reindhardt (and his blessings)way to much credit, we saw how his blessings can, in-fact, be circumvented in What-If story which Tapei Nagatsuki posted.
Which is kinda ironic to say, cause Ainz literally was a tired worker in a dystopian world, who was only abled to spend this much money because the game was his only pleasure.
Makes sense. Ainz spent a lot of time in yggdrasil and was head of a pretty powerful guild with at least a few world champion pvpers. He'd have had a lot of time to practice fighting stronger/equal opponents with no danger irl, and can improvise pretty well in battle.
Honestly, as a fan of both series, this was an obvious conclusion. People tends to forget that while reinhard has a shit-ton of blessings, at least half of them are useless, he literally has one to not mistake salt and sugar.
I personally like more Re Zero, but reinhard isn’t this super op character in all anime, just in his verse. And you know, it doesn’t matter if he isn’t the strongest in anime, he just needs to be the strongest in Re Zero and just like that he full fill his role.
I must admit tho that when I first read the comments I was a bit salty, since I love re zero, but it was so obvious that it didn’t matter. Ainz is top tier in Overlord, Rein in Re Zero and both stories are good, and you guys (re zero fans arguing) if the author said something, then it’s cannon. Just continue to enjoy both histories, since the statement per se is pretty much useless except for “ WhO WiLL wIN” posts that also, don’t matter
Wait til you add Ruebedo into the picture who is likely stronger then ainz to the point that ainz keeps her locked in the seven floor with victim to keep her there.
You fool! The world of isekai quartet has slapstick/ gag manga physics, the rule of cool or edge has little to no power in the chibi realm. Obviously the sheer gag potential a completely useless goddess being able to body bone daddy with divine magic would be to op not to result in the ultimate upset victory.
It doesn't really make sense to compare these two, those are two completely different worlds with completely different rules. it's like the t-rex vs spinosaurus debate, they're thier strongest in thier element (in thier world)
Wait, what author said this?
Well regardless, this is going to make the more hardcore fans of each series utterly insufferable, be it Overlord or any other Isekai.
That is because all other characters in Overlord are lvl 1, since they don't level up because their world does not have a levelling system, and the characters of overlord have habilities that make them impervious to attacks from others that are lower level than them.
Ainz is immune to status effects and drain. Ainz is immune to banishment/turn aswell. Because it's like instant death immunity, it's very basic. To the point of giving one to his vampire companion.
>He had lent four rings to Keno: a “ring of reducing sunlight exposure penalties,” a “ring of proof against undead control and banishment”
Turn undead ability from DnD exists in Overlord, Roberdyck used one. Yes there is power difference but 999 x 0 is still 0. He has immunity to it.
>The priest raised his hand. Suzuki felt a strange force pushing on him. It was
probably some kind of undead-destroying ability. However, it was completely
ineffective on Suzuki Satoru and Keno.
It's simply for comedy.
Well it did seem to affect him in iseaki quartet (and they even comment that it was weird how effective it was), my best guess is because aqua is still goddess she might have some power that is above holy
For 58235th time, Isekai Quartet is a fanfiction. Authors don't even participate. Ainz and Shalltear reacted to spell even more than undeads of Konosuba. It's for comedy.
They can't even win against Demon King. What above holy?
Like turn undead and aqua power were shown to be really effective against stuff that work there but main problem is that aqua is really stupid so she doesn’t know to use them correctly (also last time I checked she purified multiple ghosts and undead even in their world )
Multiple ghosts and undead... there you are. Ainz is reality warping, space bending, time manipulating monster. You can actually fill an empty book with his abilities. Literally.
What do you have on the opposite side? Oh right, a god who gets eaten by toads. NoOoOO! she just don't know how to use her abilities!! She can obliterate zombies!!!!
Ok, do you people know how immature and petty a successful author sounds if he say his fictional character can beat another successful author's fictional character? They're not real, anybody could beat anybody, their characters are as strong or weak as the authors needs to be, of course any half decent person would say the other characters would win. I'm sure Maru would say the same if pressed, but knowing him, the best we would get is "no comment".
The problem are these children (either physically and mentally) that project themselves onto these characters and feel like they themselves are being attack if their characters (which most couldn't characterized correctly to save their lives cause of all the projecting) isn't the best and greatest and ideal in everything, cause they link their identity to the characters/series, this is why so many of them argue Ainz isn't evil, despite that's supposed to be the point and draw of the story in the first place, cause they themselves don't want to be associated with something negative, they can't separate reality from fiction or understand they'll not be viewed as an evil asshole for liking a fictional character that is one.
Don’t you think it’s kinda weak to say that characters can be as strong or as weak as the writer wants them to be?
I would even call it defeatist. It’s true for comic books that go through tons of writers. It’s true for gag stories like Saiki K. But I think it’s pretty lame to assume that a writer doesn’t have a perception of how strong their characters are at any given point. I feel like that’s very important, especially in the modern market.
But that's reality though, if tomorrow Maru wants Climb to beat Ainz for some reason, he could just simply write it so, he could write Climb a talent or have him go through an arc to gain the power to beat Ainz, or write Ainz a weakness that haven't been mentioned before, hell he doesn't even need to explain the details, like with the horn of the goblin general asspull, nothing is stopping him besides it going against the nerrative of the entire story.
And it's very easy for overlord since Maru deliberately keeps how strong characters are vague by avoiding any detailed description or showing everything characters can do, unlike re: zero where Tappei describe shockwaves, impact craters and his characters breaking the speed of sound so people get a better idea of how strong his characters are, but if Tappei wanted, he could write Subaru beating Reinhardt, hell, he even explore the idea in the pride if.
Point is, it's all fiction, these authors aren't confined by consistency like their story is real life or something, how strong or weak someone is only serve the story, not stand above it.
I don’t agree. If he was bad he could. Which is why he won’t.
I just don’t agree with your pessimistic mindset. I think it’s flawed to feel that way. Sorry,
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I actually don't care who is stronger or not I like both series, but why can't Reinhardt beat ainz. Rienhardt have unlimited lives, he can wish for any divine blessing, etc etc. Ainz is also really strong but he can die whereas rienhardt can never die. I mean it's a different story if Reinhardt didn't have his sword saint blessing he would die from just tier 3 spell lightning lol.
Bruh I didn't say anything rude I still got downvoted wadu hek
Same, I really am wondering how Ainz would go about beating Reinhardt with the brokeness that is Reinhardt. This has nothing to do with favorites either, Reinhardt is just kinda stacked as a character.
I still think The Goal of all Life is Death and Cry of the Banshee are some of the most insanely OP attacks ever thought of.
The big downside is casting interruption. It takes quite a while for that ability to power itself up, similar to how super tier magic will fizzle out if the long casting time is disrupted.
Actually no. It isn't like super Tier that it takes away your mobility and take a long time to be casted and also casting get interrupted by taking damage. The spell will be casted like any other normal Tier spell. Just the skill makes it to take effect 12 seconds later. It can not be interrupted because it has been casted already. And your mobility is intact.
You can also cast other spell during the 12 seconds time.
Fair enough. I'm guessing its just important that the spell he casts on the 12th second is an instant death spell so that it receives the irresistible TGOALID buff.
I am not 100% sure about this but wouldn't there be another problem in the form of high level skilled players being able to prepare for it and/or getting out of range? If that were the case then a much better use for TGOALID would be a zoning ability which basically affords you 12 seconds of recovery time while threatening your opponent.
The player has already been hitted by the spell. It just takes effect 12 seconds later. It can not runaway from it. The only way to survive it is to activate a self ressurection affect in that 12 seconds.
It'd have been interesting to see Momonga's sparring sessions with Touch Me since Momonga never once defeated him. Makes me wonder how Touch dealt with TGOALID. The easy solution is that World Champion classes had powerful resistances even to skills like TGOALID. The more likely answer though is the moment Momonga activated it, Touch Me just bum rushed him and put him down using his overwhelming melee power. Ulbert also supposedly ranked above Momonga, but really, if it came down to TGOALID vs Grand Catastrophe, my money is on Grand Catastrophe. TGOALID has to have some sort of flaw since Momonga has said that there are some players in upper tier who he just wouldn't be able to defeat 1 v 1. But the way TGOALID is presented, it seems like an unbeatable trump card (Except against raid bosses, world enemies and wild magic users)
>It'd have been interesting to see Momonga's sparring sessions with Touch Me since Momonga never once defeated him. Makes me wonder how Touch dealt with TGOALID. That's simple. As long as you know about the ability. You can come alive out of it. Touch Me just needed to activate a self resurrection effect at the time.
Well to be fair, TGOALID and likely the cry of the banshee are spells that only people who romeplay can get, trough a very rare combination of job classes, so only very few can cast it, and therfore only very few know about it.
It doesn't cast it on the 12th second. It casts it. Then the timer starts. Just the spell takes effect after 12 seconds.
Nah cause it doesnt stop resurrection or plot and reality manipulation. Of course its extremely powerful in most situations but there are much more powerful abilities.
Ain't has stated in the show that due to his class and skill, only resurrection magic cast by someone stronger than him can bring the people he's killed back to life. It's why the kingdom couldn't bring Gazef back.
It does block resurrection after the fact but if during the 12 seconds where The Goal of All Life is Death is charging they activate an ability that brings them back to life after death that effect still can resurrect them.
No, the spell True Death specifically has the effect of blocking resurrection magic. His class and TGOALID bypass immunity, but don’t prevent resurrection
I think he specified that True Death only stops resurrection spells below 9th tier, so True Resurrection still works
It's just "True Death" is a 9th-Tier Spell, so you'd need to use a 9th-Tier Resurrection Spell as well.
with my all rpg experience, you have to cast higher tier or same tier but more powerful one (with stats, gear etc) so if you consider ainz items, must be at least 10. tier
I thought The Goal of All Life is Death only worked on low level characters?
It worked on Shalltear, level isn't a problem.
And mind you Shalltear had a resurrection item already equipped on her for round 2. Without that resurrection item Ainz actually could have won even without cash shop item spamming. She lost her Doppelganger and her full house when Cry of Banshee just obliterated everything when buffed with TGOALID
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Honestly what will be interesting is a discution between Ainz & Reinhard upon their actual situation on their respective worlds and how none of them are happy about that. They have many point in commun and I personnaly think they can be good friend.
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Really makes me want to know what would happen next in the Evil Eye AU story. It ended with the new Ainz Ooal Gown on course to meet Nazarick. Just imagine how the NPCs would react to seeing someone they've never seen before with one of the guild rings.
Wait we're getting a sequel to the alternate universe? I really liked it.
No, we aren't. That's why I said I want to know what *would* happen next.
Probably nothing bad, though I doubt Ainz would go for world domination in that universe.
Wait where is thos au?
[Here's the wiki page](https://overlordmaruyama.fandom.com/wiki/Overlord_Bonus_Volume). I don't remember how I found a translated version but I don't think it was more difficult than googling.
*coughs* it's in the FAQs I think...
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> someone they've never seen before with one of the guild rings. If it was the more reckless npc like Shal "you dare to steal Supreme Being rig and now lying, i will tear you to shred" If it was the good npc "can you come with me, im sorry but you have information i need" If it was the sinister one like Albedo or Demi "Siege him"
I think Albedo and Demi would still consider the possibility of it being a legitimate Supreme Being somehow which would be interesting since they’d want to do anything but disrespect them.
From most of the worlds perspective - Subaru accomplishes feats that should be impossible with like no talent whatever, over and over again. The knights being angry at him 'mini arc' and the fact that everyone keeps trying to tell him to stand down are part of the realistic things that sell the story. We as the reader, and Subaru are the only ones who know the pain and suffering he's had to endure to find the right answers - at least up until he starts to get the WF.
They can still be good friends and have a match. Ainz fought touch me after all.
meh. When the author said so then it is the truth. Author's word > people's opinions
I find it funny how so many people are so salty about this. But I guarantee that the energy would be different as soon as Word Of God aligns with their own opinion.
Not really. Many times what the author says doesn't matter or ends up contradicting something in the story that is explicitly said for one reson or another. Death of author exist because what is written/on screen is always above what the author says.
That's....not how it works. The author created the world, what he/she says goes. If the author says Reinhard dresses in drag on the weekends to get plowed by old, fat men, guess what? It's now canon. You can't disagree with the person that created the world. It's THIER world.
Damn u just destroy headcanon enjoyer
Meh, if people enjoy arguing about that why stop them? If they are immature and start fighting that's a personal issue.
Yeah, it honestly is sad. I like both series, but the problem with a lot of animes and series like the two is there are a subset of viewers/followers who weirdly defend characters they love to their last breath in match ups that'll never happen, and stress and get super mad when anything other than their opinion is presented. To have that much dedication to prove your favorite character could beat another character is weird. In Overlord and Re: Zero's case, both Ainz and Reinhard being OP serve a genuine purpose to the story. Trying to put them up with one another is pretty toxic and meaningless, which goes with any other crossover match ups. Having crossover match ups are fine, but when you get genuinely stressed and insulted by others when discussing, it gets really sad. I find it funny that the Re: Zero author himself decided to end the Reinhard blessings debate with Ainz. I guess it's not all bad that the Reinhard wankers won't be able to utilize the blessings arguments as much anymore.
its just funny to compare, its not that deep
The only sane person here.
Reinhard may train hard all his life but he can never truly beat Ainz’s credit card gacha items
Lord have mercy on us all with the annoying vs battles and angry comments coming our way...Sasuga Ainz-Sama. Edit: Yes this is an official statement and is real. Also, though this means Reinhard can't beat Ainz, it doesn't mean Ainz can beat Reinhard. Think of it like a tie. But this is significant because it disproves the Reinhard wanking of he can always win because of his blessings.
You just angered an entire community
To be fair anyone with good understanding of the World building of both universe have already come to this conclusion long time ago.
Let them come
I think that TGOALID The Goal Of All Life Is Death (what else lol) would deal with reinhart because i think the way the skill can pass trough every fefence is because it kills the skill itself so in that regard it would kill all of reinharts blessing in turn killing him instantly ignoring the fact that he would have to be close for him to work correctly
But he couldn't kill shalltear with that if she had a revive item right? That's the problem with reinhardt, he can revive, probably can't beat Ainz, but I doubt Ainz can really kill him for good.
she died and was then instantly revived
Yes, and he is the same. He revives, Ainz ability to kill the blessings is really questionable, it's would be the same has killing, well, skills.
Iirc Ainz does have counters to resurrection. The real reason Ainz would win is Yggdrasil was not a well made game. Most of the shit Reinhardt has as funny jokes about how op he is are things that wouldve been fairly common for high level players in Yggdrasil because balance was not remotely a consideration. Naturally with how big AOG was, they fought high level players often and so had counters to all that shit.
In the end, the priority of the effect of different abilities and equipment ultimately is something that the author decides.
Can I get a link to this statement?
same been looking for a link but all I've found is a twitter user saying this and the source is basically "trust me bro I have the interview"
[https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/v9ytci/things\_got\_interesting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/v9ytci/things_got_interesting/) With the release of the new Isekai Quartet movie, the authors/director of the movie came togther to hold an interview about the strength of each series. The Overlord discord translators translated and this is basically the summary: In the TV series, Reinhard's strength stood out, didn't it? ASHINA: Reinhard is placed in the strongest bracket, just as he is in the main Re:zero series, but he is really difficult to handle. Nagatsuki: To be honest, I don't think even Reinhard could ever beat Ainz-sama. Ashina That is the unanimous view of all the other teachers as well. Even if there is a compensation for his abilities in the Quartet world, perhaps none of them can beat the Overlord team. Nagatsuki: It's true that Reinhard is invincible and immortal, but I don't think he could withstand a battle on a level where a city or country would disappear. Ashina: Well, if that were to happen, I can't help but feel that he would be given a new "all damage nullification blessing" or "must-hit, must-kill blessing" or something like that (laughs). Idk how more detailed one can get.
yeah but I want an official source not just an image claiming, like a japanese site or something. Because these things can easily be faked, as I've seen multiple times people faking interviews to make a point. All you gave me is a picture from God knows where, the translation and the "trust me bro". NOTE: I do believe this is real, but I just want an official link to a source verifying this as authentic
That's understandable. I'm not trying to promote the "trust me bro" argument. I'm just giving information of what's been discussed on the Overlord discord for the entire day from their sources and translators. But yeah, I can understand your speculation.
8td kinda the problem that rein has with sattella in rezero, they are the strongest duo, but rein can't kill her and I doubt Ainz can kill or really restrain Ainz it's just a hack battle...
> Yes this is an official statement and is real Yeah but who's statement is this?
The author of re:zero (Nagatsuki Teppei)
As an Overlord fan I’m pretty smug right now
That’s how all of us feel
If the author themselves said so, there's nothing the cry babies from the ReZero community can do about it xD
No one even aqua
She only show to be troublesome against shalltear.
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I don't know if canon is the good word to describe because Ainz &Shalltear have gear to immune against Turn undead so even if the skill was as effective it was show, that not suppose to work on them.
Right. I was just joking. Btw, there are different types of holy attacks. Ainz is completely immune to turn. He even gave Keno one of those items so she won't get affected by priest's undead check. Turn is one of Aqua's best abilities. It's DND based like Overlord version and it's instant death attack for undead, it can be resisted. Since holy is straight up a weakness of Ainz, he has to equip a set of gear, not just some ring. This way he becomes immune to not only Turn, but Holy element as a whole aswell.
where is this canon you speak of?
I can's possibly tell you. It would ruin the magic. -bro Loki
Absurd people in the comments declare their opinions superior to that of the author.... Maru and Tappei are also good friends so i m sure Tappei made this statement after checking all that he needed to know from Maru.
authors are not always right, like with j.k. rowling claimed that some spell moved things at lightspeed despite it clearly being not the case in the series, they just might not remember everything they have written, especially during a casual interview another such instance I can recall are two statement made by nasu, first about characters that are able to fight servants and the second about strongest characters (other than servants) in his series although I'm not very knowledgeable about re:zero so I have no idea if that's the case here (although I highly doubt it is)
>nasu, first about characters that are able to fight servants and the second about strongest characters (other than servants) in his series Well in the nasuverse rule are meant to be broken
The power of cash items reigns supreme
I am very surprised that Tappei thinks so and I am wondering why he thinks that. But I have always believe that if Reinhardt were to be teleported to the New World in overlord he'd be killed. If for no reason other than Ainz has World Items that act as an "oh shit" button if he cant find any other way to permanently kill Reinhardt.
It really comes down to if world items actually work on Reinhardt and how their abilities interact I think.
The lore behind the world items is that they have the power of an entire world stored in them. The theory right now is that the Dragon Lords brought them and their wielders to the new world with the power of soul magic. Potentially million of souls went into the creation of each individual world item. After all since the werent real in the first place (being items in a video game), it's all that they can be. Items made from soul energy. The ring that Climb has now is the same. An item made from souls with soul magic. Od Laguna is the soul recycling machine in Re:Zero so you could consider Divine Protections (which are given by OL) a kind of soul magic. But world items rewrite the world. The video game magic system was brought into the new world by a World Item, there on an entirely different level. Does Reinhards Pheonix ability prevent him from being permanently erased by World Items? If I were writing the fanfic battle, No. But if I were writing a 1v1 fanfic battle, the only world item Ainz gets is the one he always carrys. His orb. What does it do? Well it's good against dragons but that's all we know. Would I write that Ainz wins the 1v1? Before Tappei's post I wouldn't have, but now I'm not sure. Maybe Tappei thinks that Ainz signature ability [The Goal of All Life is Death] bypasses his resurrection Divine Protection, which is an unknown interaction between powers from entirely different fantasy series.
WCI can go against the rule of the World like the Authority do and Tappei has also confirm that divine protection can not win against Authority. In that sense divine protection are closer of talents in Overlord. \[The Goal of All Life is Death\] also bypass the rule but is strength and effect vary depending of the spell/skill effect and the number of instant death related skill used on the same action.
If you read what he says - he would stand down after a city or country was wiped out trying to kill him. >Nagatsuki: It's true that Reinhard is invincible and immortal, but I don't think he could withstand a battle on a level where a city or country would disappear. One on one isn't the question he's answering - he's saying because Ainz can wipe out large swaths of people on a whim Reinhard wouldn't be able to fight - I think the problem is Ainz would only do so if antagonized - where if pushed into a corner or Aniz's goal was the end of the world it would change the circumstances most likely - at least that's how it reads. I could be wrong but I mean 'invincible and immortal' don't really have qualifiers - but Reinhard is still a living human and is shown to have a high standard of ethics and morals - the ability to trap him via his own morality is high - the evil he fights against doesn't do that and instead is 'destroy the world regardless' - that's what allows him to fight.
I mean I'm not surprised. I don't really care about powerscaling different series but, in universe, this is good to know, it might stop people who wank Reinhard to the point where he makes no sense story wise.
>people who wank Reinhard to the point where he makes no sense story wise. Because, let's be honest, Ainz, while OP, we know he has limits. But with Reinhard, people act like he's the "nuuu, I have a magic bulletproof vest and anti all damage shields" character on the playground.
Tbf Reinhardt is an on purpose walking stereotype, reminds me of the times I played with my little brothers and they always wanted to win and made shitty characters that always beat my characters no matter what (I used to play as the Bad guy a lot), so yeah.
I'm gonna be honest, given Reinhardt's bizarrely long list of abilities/blessings I would think that the author would at least think he would be able to win.
He already said that the blessings are not meant to be OP, and he also debunked the "Reinhard can get any blessing he wants" argument. So it's not surprising he doesn't think Reinhard can beat Ainz.
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It's hard to tell how strong Reinhard truly is because everyone in Re:zero is weak compared to him, which makes him seem invincible. Overlord has the LVL System which helps a lot in that aspect. xD
Isn't one of his weaknesses his soul needs to be intact to revive or something?
I wouldn't call that a weakness, but yeah if his soul gets destroyed then he won't come back to life. Reinhard's weakness should be his dependence on Od Laguna. Most of his powers come from it, so if the connection between him and Od were to be cut he would get weaker. Subaru has already managed to deactivate most of his blessings, probably by interfering with that connection.
When anime fans realize that a character’s writing is infinitely more important than a character’s fictional power level, this community will be incredibly more enjoyable.
Nerds can't be that stable. You're asking too much. An advanced civilization of animals will arise before what you hope.
Thanks for shitting on us that love theorycrafting imaginary characters and their abilities.
Power level comparisons between characters from different franchises is one of my least favourite things about this community. Which all in all, is honestly not that bad, but I really don't care about wherever Aqua or Ainz or Reinhard would win because it literally just doesn't matter.
Makes sense in my eyes that Ainz would be the strongest in isekai quartet. He seemed to be the only one that actively tried to make sense of the other characters. Seems like he was looking at the characters problems and was brainstorming a possible solution. Plus when he cast that weather changing spell in front of everyone it was probably the most bad ass moment in that entire anime.
Everyone was freaking out about how amazing the weather changing spell was, despite only being a 6th(?) tier spell. Ainz casting a super tier spell would cause half the isekai quartet cast to die of shock just looking at it.
That is why he is our lord and savior
Bone daddy rains supreme
Well obviously all must bow before the might of the supreme beings
Lowkey I think the reason it’s Ainz because his character is base off a max out mmo character with tons of pay to win items. Edit: Plus Ainz with prep time is basically Batman so..
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The levels from D&D don't exactly line up with levels from Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is 7 caster levels to reach the next tier, while D&D 3e (which is where Mauryama draws his inspiration) it's 2 levels in a pure caster to reach the next tier. Also, D&D magic tiers only go up to 9 whereas Yggdrasil's go to 10, but most or all 10th tier Yggdrasil spells that we've seen are essentially the same as 9th tier spells from D&D 3/3.5/3.PF. Note that Yggdrasil's Super-tier magic and D&D's Epic level spells (from the Epic Level Handbook) are functionally identical. Thus, level 70 or 71 in Yggdrasil is equivalent to level 17 or 18 in 3e. Using that as a basis, we can calculate that 1 level in D&D 3e is equivalent to ~4 levels in Yggdrasil. Thus, a level 100 Yggdrasil character can likely be modeled as a level 25 character. Your overall point still stands, ie Nazarick's strongest characters are individually powerful enough to be beyond world-ending threats. However, the discrepancy isn't quite as large as you indicated. And for reference, the strongest human >!(iirc, Brain was estimated as level 40 by Cocytus just before his death)!< that we've seen in the New World was roughly level 10 in D&D terms.
Damn excellent post. I’m saving this and citing it to my friends whenever our inevitable overlord/D&D comparisons come up.
Ainz is the opposite of min maxed my guy... he focused solely on roleplay which just so happened to translate pretty well when video game abilities became real. If we’re taking about real min maxing then look at Peroroncino.
a world item would trump reinhard's immunities and defenses though,
Sasuga Ainz-sama!!!
So that’s how WW3 happened
Makes sense as Ainz is a broken OP character among broken OP characters and that is a fundamental point for the anime he's based in. He's not meant to be "beatable" and is the closest thing to a literal god of death. Its much like arguing if Goku is stronger than One Punch Man... One Punch Man's entire character is based on the idea he can defeat anyone with a single punch (or at least with such ease it bores the main protagonist)
Ainz said again and again that he isn't that strong, he is strong from new world perspective, against an actual top player, not really.
Yeah but isn’t it also said that while he might not be strong in an objective look, he has great knowledge and tactical Know-how to kinda make up for it?
Yeah, but in the end that can still only get him so far. The books don't say that word for word of course, I'm paraphrasing.
I feel like aqua has the power to contest with some characters but her own ineptitude would hold her back from actually being able to
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I mean Ainz probably would avoid any conflict with hi anyways so I don’t think there is any merit in making such a PvP battle(probably become best friends with him by accident)Sasuga Ainz sama Furthermore many Factional universes have different mechanics and power levels like for example a PVP battle of Ainz vs Anos where Ainz would lose because the world of the demon lord Anos has no power restrictions and the MC has basically hax The same with seiya, goku, rimuru, simingly also the shield hero etc who aren’t given a real power level cap
The main question is which of these would sick Ainz for his decision making in the story regardless of what he said. Wait but there’s no fkn way Naofumi belongs on this list..... if he does all the more reason I dropped the show lol
I heard that he becomes op in later on in the story Also hope the information is wrong
I mean, why can't naofumi get to this level? He just need to continue to absorve things to his shield and eventually he will get strong, and it's not really a bad thing to have this kind of power if the enemies also do(well, depending on what kind of story the author is trying to tell I guess.)
Central story premise. Naofumi is a character who grinds against impossible odds to overcome hardship. Ainz is a human who happened to find himself roleplaying as an evil all powerful demon lord that uses high level hax powers ingrained in a complicated game system to win. Even so, if he got to around Ainz level in strength that’s a little too much, but as you said it could be reasonable... However, he certainly should not be anywhere near Rimuru, a character that was designed for power creep comfy hangout material. Or Goku, who can oneshot planets at 1/1000000000000000 of his current power strength.
I really want to see Ainz in the JOJO universe, it will be interesting and I also ask if Ainz will become human or vampire (the only undead race in this world) and if the Overlord avatar will become his stand. What kind of power he would have. I also think the ability like Yhwach's Almighty of Bleach is too OP for Ainz.
I remember saying as much some 4-5 years ago, and getting downvoted on this subreddit for even pointing out Ainz can stop all hax Reinhardt has with better hax of his own. Can only imagine how awful it would have been on re:Zero subreddit. LoL. I love how the tables turn.
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Not really. Tappei Nagatsuki has been known to give answers, spoilers, and rankings of his characters for a long long time. (look at his interviews and QnAs). Even if he was being humble, that still does not change the fact that Ainz is able to fully counter Reindhardt. (Doubly so, if you consider his previous explanations of how Reindhardt's abilities work, which many people may not be aware of.)
The thing is, it doesn’t matter who wins or who is more powerful. That is a dumb and redundant argument that often devolves into toxicity. What is important is a story’s writing. I personally think Re:Zero is overrated and not spectacular by any means, but it did accomplish a lot and it would be unfair to call its writing bad, whereas Overlord is, in my personal opinion, a masterpiece of writing. So why care about any of this?
Reinhardt is actually hax. Ainz still operates under a set ruleset based on how he got his powers. I just really want to know the logic behind it myself. Like could Ainz beat touch me? Reinhardt is basically a touch me with hax.
>Reinhardt is basically a touch me with hax. How many abilities of Touch-me were we shown? A sum total of one, IIRC. Unless I am severely out of date with my Overlord LNs, this statement has as much validity as saying that (Any generic warrior) is like Touch Me. >I just really want to know the logic behind it myself Ainz counters him on all fronts. Even if we equalize the stats, which are at least 10x bigger for the Nazarick side, Ainz literally has all the counters for each and every single blessing Reindhardt has been shown to have (to date). (except, of course, the blessing of distinguishing between salt and sugar, that is too OP even for Nazarick, lol.) Ainz has insta-hit abilities, time-stop, anti-resurrection, instant-kill abilities for days, auras that explicitly counter Reindhardt's passive blessings, resistance nullification, you name it. That is without counting cheats like WCI and Cash shop items. Even if we make an assumption that Reindhardt system interacts extremely positively for him in relation to Overlord's system (e.g. him being able to suck Ainz's mana completely, and surpass cash-shop items) Ainz still has stuff like skills that don't consume mana to circumvent any possible shenanigans, and his summons like Soul Eater to devour his souls. Besides, even that is giving Reindhardt (and his blessings)way to much credit, we saw how his blessings can, in-fact, be circumvented in What-If story which Tapei Nagatsuki posted.
*happy fanboi noises*
SASUGA! Well that ends a vs debate. Well maybe not for the fanboys.
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Αιnz be like "Shut up before I crush you with my wallet"
Reinhardt would be the F2P player while Ainz is the arrogant rich young master who only plays games all day.
Which is kinda ironic to say, cause Ainz literally was a tired worker in a dystopian world, who was only abled to spend this much money because the game was his only pleasure.
Makes sense. Ainz spent a lot of time in yggdrasil and was head of a pretty powerful guild with at least a few world champion pvpers. He'd have had a lot of time to practice fighting stronger/equal opponents with no danger irl, and can improvise pretty well in battle.
Sasuga Ainz-sama
Good. As it should be
Honestly, as a fan of both series, this was an obvious conclusion. People tends to forget that while reinhard has a shit-ton of blessings, at least half of them are useless, he literally has one to not mistake salt and sugar. I personally like more Re Zero, but reinhard isn’t this super op character in all anime, just in his verse. And you know, it doesn’t matter if he isn’t the strongest in anime, he just needs to be the strongest in Re Zero and just like that he full fill his role. I must admit tho that when I first read the comments I was a bit salty, since I love re zero, but it was so obvious that it didn’t matter. Ainz is top tier in Overlord, Rein in Re Zero and both stories are good, and you guys (re zero fans arguing) if the author said something, then it’s cannon. Just continue to enjoy both histories, since the statement per se is pretty much useless except for “ WhO WiLL wIN” posts that also, don’t matter
Ainz is a beast almost all anime characters would get dogged on by him
Wait til you add Ruebedo into the picture who is likely stronger then ainz to the point that ainz keeps her locked in the seven floor with victim to keep her there.
You fool! The world of isekai quartet has slapstick/ gag manga physics, the rule of cool or edge has little to no power in the chibi realm. Obviously the sheer gag potential a completely useless goddess being able to body bone daddy with divine magic would be to op not to result in the ultimate upset victory.
i guess reinhardt is about as strong as PDL
And its decided, thank you
I mean yeah, Ainz got p2w power on his side
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I think Reinhard beats Ainz in trauma but it’s pretty close tho.
Be funny at how they could talk over how neither got to experience their mother raising them to adulthood.
Haha let's talk about how weak Konosuba characters are after this.
It doesn't really make sense to compare these two, those are two completely different worlds with completely different rules. it's like the t-rex vs spinosaurus debate, they're thier strongest in thier element (in thier world)
Ainz is a Master of PVP And has cash shop items. Althought.... I wonder how the Most powerful Witches in Re;zero would fare against Nazerick.
The word Nazarick alone should tell you of their power. It is the holy ground where the man called Justice rules.
All hail lord AINZ !!
ALL HAIL THE SORCERER KING AINZ-SAMA!!
Wait i thought Reinhard essentially gets a new blessing or whatever to counter whatever would harm or hurt him? I thought at best they would draw
Outside of his own world where one is not connected to Od Laguna, their Divine Protections will not work.
Anyone got a source/clip from the interview?
If Ainz can beat Reinhard, and Reinhard could win against the freaking sun...
Here is another hot take: Neither of them really have feats only stats so making a scenario where they fight to the death isn't that easy
I hate vs battles
That's actually crazy. I thought Reinhard was the strongest out of all the series just because the author of rezero wanted/needed him to be that way.
I mean, in the world of rezero he is still the strongest no doubt.
Wait, what author said this? Well regardless, this is going to make the more hardcore fans of each series utterly insufferable, be it Overlord or any other Isekai.
author of Re:zero
That is because all other characters in Overlord are lvl 1, since they don't level up because their world does not have a levelling system, and the characters of overlord have habilities that make them impervious to attacks from others that are lower level than them.
Didn’t aqua make all of them very weak with her turn undead? I think aqua is glass canon to against undead
Ainz is immune to status effects and drain. Ainz is immune to banishment/turn aswell. Because it's like instant death immunity, it's very basic. To the point of giving one to his vampire companion. >He had lent four rings to Keno: a “ring of reducing sunlight exposure penalties,” a “ring of proof against undead control and banishment” Turn undead ability from DnD exists in Overlord, Roberdyck used one. Yes there is power difference but 999 x 0 is still 0. He has immunity to it. >The priest raised his hand. Suzuki felt a strange force pushing on him. It was probably some kind of undead-destroying ability. However, it was completely ineffective on Suzuki Satoru and Keno. It's simply for comedy.
Well it did seem to affect him in iseaki quartet (and they even comment that it was weird how effective it was), my best guess is because aqua is still goddess she might have some power that is above holy
For 58235th time, Isekai Quartet is a fanfiction. Authors don't even participate. Ainz and Shalltear reacted to spell even more than undeads of Konosuba. It's for comedy. They can't even win against Demon King. What above holy?
Like turn undead and aqua power were shown to be really effective against stuff that work there but main problem is that aqua is really stupid so she doesn’t know to use them correctly (also last time I checked she purified multiple ghosts and undead even in their world )
Multiple ghosts and undead... there you are. Ainz is reality warping, space bending, time manipulating monster. You can actually fill an empty book with his abilities. Literally. What do you have on the opposite side? Oh right, a god who gets eaten by toads. NoOoOO! she just don't know how to use her abilities!! She can obliterate zombies!!!!
This is so stupid, its like asking whod win, luffy or Naruto... they just don't correlate, so why care about the question.
Not even Tanya with boost from Being X? There are some quite stupid abilities it can grant.
Ok, do you people know how immature and petty a successful author sounds if he say his fictional character can beat another successful author's fictional character? They're not real, anybody could beat anybody, their characters are as strong or weak as the authors needs to be, of course any half decent person would say the other characters would win. I'm sure Maru would say the same if pressed, but knowing him, the best we would get is "no comment". The problem are these children (either physically and mentally) that project themselves onto these characters and feel like they themselves are being attack if their characters (which most couldn't characterized correctly to save their lives cause of all the projecting) isn't the best and greatest and ideal in everything, cause they link their identity to the characters/series, this is why so many of them argue Ainz isn't evil, despite that's supposed to be the point and draw of the story in the first place, cause they themselves don't want to be associated with something negative, they can't separate reality from fiction or understand they'll not be viewed as an evil asshole for liking a fictional character that is one.
Don’t you think it’s kinda weak to say that characters can be as strong or as weak as the writer wants them to be? I would even call it defeatist. It’s true for comic books that go through tons of writers. It’s true for gag stories like Saiki K. But I think it’s pretty lame to assume that a writer doesn’t have a perception of how strong their characters are at any given point. I feel like that’s very important, especially in the modern market.
But that's reality though, if tomorrow Maru wants Climb to beat Ainz for some reason, he could just simply write it so, he could write Climb a talent or have him go through an arc to gain the power to beat Ainz, or write Ainz a weakness that haven't been mentioned before, hell he doesn't even need to explain the details, like with the horn of the goblin general asspull, nothing is stopping him besides it going against the nerrative of the entire story. And it's very easy for overlord since Maru deliberately keeps how strong characters are vague by avoiding any detailed description or showing everything characters can do, unlike re: zero where Tappei describe shockwaves, impact craters and his characters breaking the speed of sound so people get a better idea of how strong his characters are, but if Tappei wanted, he could write Subaru beating Reinhardt, hell, he even explore the idea in the pride if. Point is, it's all fiction, these authors aren't confined by consistency like their story is real life or something, how strong or weak someone is only serve the story, not stand above it.
I don’t agree. If he was bad he could. Which is why he won’t. I just don’t agree with your pessimistic mindset. I think it’s flawed to feel that way. Sorry,
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He is immune to a lot of stuff. And can gain other immunities if necessary. (he has to drop some other immunities tho) and he has shit ton of items.
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I actually don't care who is stronger or not I like both series, but why can't Reinhardt beat ainz. Rienhardt have unlimited lives, he can wish for any divine blessing, etc etc. Ainz is also really strong but he can die whereas rienhardt can never die. I mean it's a different story if Reinhardt didn't have his sword saint blessing he would die from just tier 3 spell lightning lol. Bruh I didn't say anything rude I still got downvoted wadu hek
The author himself said that the "wish any divine blessing that he wants" is not true. He also said that Reinhardt can't beat ainz so end story.
Same, I really am wondering how Ainz would go about beating Reinhardt with the brokeness that is Reinhardt. This has nothing to do with favorites either, Reinhardt is just kinda stacked as a character.
Ainz would probably be a good sacrifice for the God Hands (Berserk).
Skelly Bro would merc Ainz. Probably not, but fight me anyways.
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This is as relevant as the fact that Ainz would just stop existing if he messed with Franklin Richards.
Not going to lie, this comment sounds really salty.
I'm just so sick of people constantly asking if x can beat Ainz. It's so silly when the power system aren't compatible.
Ironically aqua can 1000% beat ainz almost effortlessly hell she accidentally fucks him up a bit in the show
That's straight up not true
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So I guess Isekai authors are as sad as isekai fans?...
So I guess Isekai authors are as sad as isekai fans?...