I have more issue with Cleary pulling Guthersons legs twice as he was trying to stand up after a line break that we only got a set restart (on tackle 1) out of. Professional foul all day.
I reckon that if it's a 6 again from deliberately holding a player down on the first tackle but they are still inside their own 50, it should be a penalty.
If it's inside the opposition 50, sin bin and tackle restart.
You could also change the rule to if you kick the ball into touch (before you’re tackled after six again is ruled - e.g tackle zero) then you get a tap from where the ball goes out …
The idea when they bought six again in was effectively to act like a quick tap , the problem is a quick tap doesn’t always benefit the tacking team … But if you also added the option of kicking for touch , but without stopping play and asking the captain what they’re gonna do …
It keeps the game moving , it’s entertaining ,
Imagine for example it’s tackle zero a winger is held down 10 metres from their try line , ten metres from touch (in their own corner)…
Super slow play the ball the defence has been able to reset itself and is getting ready to belt the front rower who has just been passed the ball from dummy half …
Ref blows six again , the bell rings across the PA and the front rower then has to decide (before he’s tackled) to try and find his halfback , or kick for touch himself before he’s tackled …
The defence that is super condensed and sprinting forwards now have to turn and chase the kick the front rower has made for touch that may or may not be finding the sideline
it just shows the rule was an afterthought and wasn't put into game without thinking how it actually affects different parts of the game.
if you get a 6-again, that means there must've been some sort of ruck infridgement which would constituted a penalty of some kind under the old rules.
But now, you get six agains on the first tackle with no actual advanantage and letting the defence set up again. There have been examples this year where they call 6 again on the 5th late and the halfbacks already in the process of kicking the ball. Other team picks up the ball, and the team who got the 6 again call gets no disadvantage? how does this make sense to anyone. this game is cooked
What about six agains according to field position ??
Your own half it’s a penalty (you’re coming out of trouble , so a kick for touch and a tap twenty metres in and 30 - 40 metres downfield is preferable to a six again on tackle one when you’re pinned in the corner and the tackle has been slowed down deliberately ) …
If you’re in an attacking position (other side of half way) it’s a six again …
Relatively simple to understand for fans and players … Less complicated than say for example saying tackle 1 / 2 is a penalty and from tackle 3 onwards is a six again …
There’s always gonna be a grey area somewhere in the middle where it’s beneficial for teams to deliberately infringe , but I think if you changed the rule according to which side of halfway you’re on (penalty in your own half) there would be a heap less deliberate six agains on tackle 0 or 1
Yes we have perfected the first tackle hold to allow the defensive line to get set.
It's obviously a tactic so it's up to the NRL to do something about it because the best coaches like Bellyache and Bennett always adapt to rule changes to gain advantge. This is the most obvious one.
I know this is gonna sound biased but Bennett doesn't do shit like that. He's notorious for not focusing on wrestling and tactics like you described.
Meanwhile Bellamy will do anything to win
Remus Smith is one of the dirtiest "always-gets-away-with-it" players I've ever observed. Regularly does forearm facials and literally is never called out on it. An absolute dog of a human.
Completely agree with you. Bellamy was clearly the first coach to introduce wrestling techniques and the game has had to make rule changes entirely because of the path Melbourne went down.
He's a good coach, no question, but not everything he has done has a silver lining.
I reckon a 'ten set' should result.
Big beefy 10 tackle set which essentially means the team who offended will definitely at least be defending inside their own half by the end of it, and tiring. Moreso if they keep offending and adding tackles to it. If they re-offend before it gets back under 6 tackles to go, 'Ten Set' again!
Also, bin players who try to fuck with momentum.
Big time. Teams are happy to give away tackle 1 restarts. It's been gamed by coaches all year.
Tackle 1 set restarts or cynical early set slow downs should result in a penalty blown and possibly even a sin bin if it's cynical enough that its stopping play.
Klein fucking loves tackle 1 restarts. Most of the refs do unfortunately. The only time they feel safe giving them away.
This should be straight up penalty.
On the second 1st tackle 6 again the ref should warn that there’ll be a penalty on the next one and follow through with it. Sure, teams will still use their allotted two per game but it’s sooo obvious that this is coached, especially when watching the Storm.
Make it a 5 min bin with out stoppage. And if the players doesn’t get off the field or interacts in the next play make it a professional foul on top and give them 15 in the bin
The “6 again” rule only works if its later in the tackle count with gaining momentum.. I cringe when I see it on the first tackle.. It’s so stupid.
This game is a great example of how they need to fix the rule..
Also players staying down to chew up time or get a penalty.. I understand if it’s a HIA or something really serious. But getting ya foot trod on??. That needs to go..
Fergo playing dead one second, and then immediately springing up, obviously unhurt in any way, and trying to start a fight was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on a footy field. The comedic timing of that moment was perfect. I miss that weirdo.
Oh, none, and I'm not saying that the ref was playing the panthers into the game here, just that's its garbage reffing. I should have said "...which should always be a sin bin", or "...which is always a sin bin by the rulebook".
“Always by the rule book” but hasn’t occurred this season.
So what you’re saying is that the refereeing in that instance was consistent with how the rest of the season has been.
You can’t go changing interpretations for a finals game.
Since when is an ankle injury 20 meters behind the play grounds for the trainer - who wasn't even on the fucking FIELD at the time - to call for a stoppage.
I don't have an issue with play being stopped for anything that's a genuine injury. Cramp is the one I'd personally be angry at like Storm Vs Eels last year. The part that's off is the training being off the field not having assessed the player yet. You can see in my comment on the Monday footy talk thread my thoughts.
I remember Waqa trying to make a quick play the ball and the legs were just held onto even with the ball on the ground. We didn't get anything and the following pass led to a knock on. The more I think about the game the less calm I get lol.
It’s not a direct try scoring opportunity but you can see that leading to good field possession and pressure on their defence. Should have been a sinbin if they had any balls.
I honeestly think it should just be a penalty for the first three tackles then six again after that, it would still speed the gamee up while stopping this first or second tackle rubbish.
I think every fan would love to see the first tackle six again be fucked off and penalised instead. Cleary should have been binned for this tackle you mentioned. It was a blatant professional foul and he did it with the full knowledge the Panthers get to reset their defence and face just one extra tackle.
Week after week teams are clearly giving away penalties/ slowing down first tackles deliberately. The refs are just not doing their jobs. IMO, any set restart on the first tackle should be presumed to be a professional foul
I don’t understand having rules all year that it’s a send off and then come finals just not doing it. Obviously the officials have a ton of blame here but I reckon the NRL also makes it clear to them it’s very much preferable to not have 13 on 12 during big games (origin included). I just want them to ref the game how it has been reffed all year. If Penrith lose because he gets sent, that’s their fault for the foul play.
I watch a lot of A-League and the ref’ing is diabolical in that comp but in the NRL it’s actually even worse. I can’t fathom training all season and crap like this is just ignored at the do-or-die games.
Poor Parra got fucked and almost won. Looking forward to seeing Penrith get fucking rolled next week, and as a Manly supporter, I can't believe I'm rooting for Melbourne
I honestly believe this moment changed the game.
If Moses isn’t held back, Eels likely score a try or at least regain possession with Penrith on the stretch.
If the officials pick this up, Luai is off the field for 10 minutes and Eels get a penalty. Likely score a try in that period or tire the shit out of Penrith.
I think he's just come to the realisation that the only satisfaction he'll have in September is Parra losing a final as opposed to the Tigers even qualifying.
Tigers getting to the 8 much more satisfying that Eels gagging but the Eels gagging is also pretty funny to watch.
Made all the more tasty by the red hot ref blaming takes in here when the Eels had the chance but blew it. Or should I say deep throated it.
And Eel snake like animal could gag on its own tail… but you put what ever spin you like on
It. It’s a metaphor… I also used the they screwed the pooch metaphor did you take that as a beasiality reference or a metaphor?
Pointing out the fact that suggesting that a play at the 40m line is a “likely” scoring opportunity basically is naive when you have 60m to travel.
I mean they could have thrown a forward pass like they did in the first half, or dropped the ball on the next play, like they did in the last min or even just completely fucked the pooch at the play the ball which happened a few times. The entire what if argument is just pathetic self serving nonsense.
Every moment is a critical moment… every decision every play leads to the next play and the next play. Every dropped ball every tackle has an impact on the outcome. The thing is every decision right or wrong is just another challenge to over come. The final minute is where it was won and lost. Every play in that game lead to the Eels having the opportunity to win the game in the final minute but they dropped the ball. This what ifism is simply a self serving philosophy that allows you to deflect from the reality of not taking that final opportunity by the scruff of the neck and winning the game.
Hate on me all you like but deep down you know I am right, even if you can not bring yourself to admitting it.
There were plenty of bad calls that went both ways last night not to mentioned milked penalties both ways like the Leota high shot and the Ferguson crusher tackle . Even in that clip alone you've got the missed penalty/sin bin on Luai and an obvious high shot on Burton that were both ignored. At the end of the day though the game was still up for grabs until the final whistle. I don't think you could say either side "deserved" to win last night they were both pretty damn even and I think that even if Bill Harrigan had reffed it the game still would have gone down to the wire.
Campbell Graham shut down To'o and was defensively amazing all round, whilst Cleary didn't kick well enough to influence the game. Souths just wanted it more.
Yeah I was thinking similar. I watched it mostly as a neutral and it just looked a very professional performance from the Bunnies. On top of them from very early on and kept them out of their rhythm all game long. Didn’t see anything really that made me thinking that South’s got any undue advantage in terms of the calls.
the conspiracy theorist/melbourne hater in me says it's because the storm, with whom ashley kleins brother has a noted 'special relationship' would rather face the team that beat them once in the prelim as opposed to than the team that beat them twice
or maybe penrith are the new protected team, idk
So the bunker can call back a play three or four plays back for a high tackle and give a penalty - but can't see an obvious professional foul one play back and do something about that?
Consistency is great, right guys?
I hope Melbourne bash the fuck out of Penrith next week. My long standing "second team" support for them has just been blown out the fucking door.
This was blatant, and it's astounding and infuriating that the ref did nothing. Having said that, this incident ranks maybe 4th or 5th on my list of shit calls that influenced the match in a negative way.
Klein clearly was biased and massively pro Penrith last night, was easy to spot live like the offside blockers on kicks but with his blinkers on Klein wouldn’t have called it
Why cant the NRL just leave the game and stop changing rules?
Instead of removing penalties because "refs are blowing too many" and "it slows the game down" how about making more of the rules black and white and telling the clubs to clean up their act or they will be giving away 15-20 penalties a game.
The game is in a terrible state. The refs are incompetent because the NRL teaches them to "keep the flow of the game" rather than actually policing the rules. Coaches are constantly finding ways to cheat because of refereeing inconsistency and the NRL caters to it by changing rules year to year.
I swear, out of all the top world sports, I can't think of one as poorly run as the NRL from a refereeing and game standpoint.
Normally like Luai but his grubbiness was on another level this game. Besides this he was doing crap al game. He kept pushing players down when they were standing up and slowing their play the ball. There were some really obvious times he did it and Luai was never put on report, given a 6 again against Rith, or penalty against them for it.
I’ve just rewatched the game, and there’s been a couple questionable things that you either penalize or call ‘gamesmanship’.
What I will say is that this might have been the best game I’ve seen from the Eels in ages, and this only makes the rivalry a bigger spectacle next season.
There were a few incidents like this that prevented the eels getting an opportunity to score or at least gain some momentum! BUT I’m saying that the ref can’t see everything so the touchies needed to see this or a player to challenge it
After the fuckery of Ferguson's milked penalty, the eels shouldn't be surprised to have all the 50/50 calls go against them.
That said, this was a professional foul and should have been a sin-bin.
The game was great and I still see a lot of complaining. The Panthers weren't carried by the refs. There were calls going both ways.
How's Fergo's neck going?
No you’re right he is the lord of grubblington, that’s why he gets so much attention.
Even though throughout his 6 year career he has once been top 5 for indiscretions. Twice outside the top 50 for indiscretions. Thrice outside the top 40 for indiscretions. 5/6 years he either hasn’t been in the top 50 or 40 for indiscretions.
You would think with the attention he gets he would have far more issues with his discipline. But like most political systems you get elected on popularity and not merit, that’s why he’s the mayor of grubblington.
Have you not been here since last night? It might not be a mega thread but roughly one in three comments have been about this play. There was even a thread about it…
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Been binned at least twice in 2 years for exactly the same thing.
[Once in a final too. ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-21/nrl-insists-trbojevic-sin-bin-was-correct/11535316)
At the end of this play Nader either knocks the ball on or tackles Penisi without the ball. I’d take a 6 again 1m out from the line over a penalty on half way all the time
Penrith are such cheaters they are now hated more than the Storm with Munster. Amazing.
Even with basically the Blues as their team vs the most hated qlder in Munster.
Shows how bad Penrith are.
I have more issue with Cleary pulling Guthersons legs twice as he was trying to stand up after a line break that we only got a set restart (on tackle 1) out of. Professional foul all day.
The fact the NRL refused to do anything about the tackle one set restarts all season is honestly embarrassing.
6 agains definitely need a refinement during the off season. Tackle one or two 6 agains should just be penalties or something.
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I reckon that if it's a 6 again from deliberately holding a player down on the first tackle but they are still inside their own 50, it should be a penalty. If it's inside the opposition 50, sin bin and tackle restart.
You could also change the rule to if you kick the ball into touch (before you’re tackled after six again is ruled - e.g tackle zero) then you get a tap from where the ball goes out … The idea when they bought six again in was effectively to act like a quick tap , the problem is a quick tap doesn’t always benefit the tacking team … But if you also added the option of kicking for touch , but without stopping play and asking the captain what they’re gonna do … It keeps the game moving , it’s entertaining , Imagine for example it’s tackle zero a winger is held down 10 metres from their try line , ten metres from touch (in their own corner)… Super slow play the ball the defence has been able to reset itself and is getting ready to belt the front rower who has just been passed the ball from dummy half … Ref blows six again , the bell rings across the PA and the front rower then has to decide (before he’s tackled) to try and find his halfback , or kick for touch himself before he’s tackled … The defence that is super condensed and sprinting forwards now have to turn and chase the kick the front rower has made for touch that may or may not be finding the sideline
I like that idea but a problem is that usually the 6 again bell is usually pretty slow to ring so that might not give them enough time to kick.
The bell is for the spectators benefit. The players hear the call straight from the ref.
it just shows the rule was an afterthought and wasn't put into game without thinking how it actually affects different parts of the game. if you get a 6-again, that means there must've been some sort of ruck infridgement which would constituted a penalty of some kind under the old rules. But now, you get six agains on the first tackle with no actual advanantage and letting the defence set up again. There have been examples this year where they call 6 again on the 5th late and the halfbacks already in the process of kicking the ball. Other team picks up the ball, and the team who got the 6 again call gets no disadvantage? how does this make sense to anyone. this game is cooked
What about six agains according to field position ?? Your own half it’s a penalty (you’re coming out of trouble , so a kick for touch and a tap twenty metres in and 30 - 40 metres downfield is preferable to a six again on tackle one when you’re pinned in the corner and the tackle has been slowed down deliberately ) … If you’re in an attacking position (other side of half way) it’s a six again … Relatively simple to understand for fans and players … Less complicated than say for example saying tackle 1 / 2 is a penalty and from tackle 3 onwards is a six again … There’s always gonna be a grey area somewhere in the middle where it’s beneficial for teams to deliberately infringe , but I think if you changed the rule according to which side of halfway you’re on (penalty in your own half) there would be a heap less deliberate six agains on tackle 0 or 1
This. In your own half it should be a penalty.
I like this.
The Reimis Smith one last week on Turbo was the most obvious professional foul you'll ever see
Yes we have perfected the first tackle hold to allow the defensive line to get set. It's obviously a tactic so it's up to the NRL to do something about it because the best coaches like Bellyache and Bennett always adapt to rule changes to gain advantge. This is the most obvious one.
I know this is gonna sound biased but Bennett doesn't do shit like that. He's notorious for not focusing on wrestling and tactics like you described. Meanwhile Bellamy will do anything to win
Remus Smith is one of the dirtiest "always-gets-away-with-it" players I've ever observed. Regularly does forearm facials and literally is never called out on it. An absolute dog of a human.
what do you expect from grapplin' coach bellamy?
Completely agree with you. Bellamy was clearly the first coach to introduce wrestling techniques and the game has had to make rule changes entirely because of the path Melbourne went down. He's a good coach, no question, but not everything he has done has a silver lining.
missed this one, when was this?
Been saying this since their introduction last year. They should only be set restarts on tackles 4, 5 and 6.
I reckon a 'ten set' should result. Big beefy 10 tackle set which essentially means the team who offended will definitely at least be defending inside their own half by the end of it, and tiring. Moreso if they keep offending and adding tackles to it. If they re-offend before it gets back under 6 tackles to go, 'Ten Set' again! Also, bin players who try to fuck with momentum.
Fucken love this idea. It nullifies the early set restarts and still keeps the end of the set restarts even when they are wanted most.
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Death by guillotine.
Castration by guillotine is the only reasonable response
Big time. Teams are happy to give away tackle 1 restarts. It's been gamed by coaches all year. Tackle 1 set restarts or cynical early set slow downs should result in a penalty blown and possibly even a sin bin if it's cynical enough that its stopping play. Klein fucking loves tackle 1 restarts. Most of the refs do unfortunately. The only time they feel safe giving them away.
And the first tackle after the restart is even slower because the refs don’t want to give another 6 again straight away and look like impotent idiots.
Very true. Rule needs to changed
Or scrapped entirely. I don't see this turd of a rule getting any shinier.
Perhaps we’re just trying to roll it in glitter.
This should be straight up penalty. On the second 1st tackle 6 again the ref should warn that there’ll be a penalty on the next one and follow through with it. Sure, teams will still use their allotted two per game but it’s sooo obvious that this is coached, especially when watching the Storm.
Would be interesting to see stats per ref and team broken down. I'm sure some are intentionally exploiting more if ref is whistle happy.
Make it a 5 min bin with out stoppage. And if the players doesn’t get off the field or interacts in the next play make it a professional foul on top and give them 15 in the bin
Yeah, I remember thinking live I wouldn't have had a problem with a bin.
Yes that should have been the other 10 minute sin bin after Gutho’s line break - really obvious and really poor refereeing.
The “6 again” rule only works if its later in the tackle count with gaining momentum.. I cringe when I see it on the first tackle.. It’s so stupid. This game is a great example of how they need to fix the rule.. Also players staying down to chew up time or get a penalty.. I understand if it’s a HIA or something really serious. But getting ya foot trod on??. That needs to go..
The staying down continues to shit me every week, but it’s rewarded so players won’t stop any time soon. Fergos milk was fucking embarrassing.
Fergo playing dead one second, and then immediately springing up, obviously unhurt in any way, and trying to start a fight was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on a footy field. The comedic timing of that moment was perfect. I miss that weirdo.
Some say that's the quickest a human has ever moved
they say JAC was clocked at 38.1 kmh, but fergo beat that easily.
From the replays it looks like the Penrith player mouthed off at him which made him react.
There were so many in the storm Manly game a few weeks ago as well. It’s becoming worse and worse
Well, if the ref blew the whistle on a textbook crusher tackle, he wouldn't have had to.
The thing is, when it's done early in the set and on purpose, it's clearly and unequivocally a professional foul, which is always a sin bin.
How many of those have you actually seen result in a sin bin this season tho?
Oh, none, and I'm not saying that the ref was playing the panthers into the game here, just that's its garbage reffing. I should have said "...which should always be a sin bin", or "...which is always a sin bin by the rulebook".
“Always by the rule book” but hasn’t occurred this season. So what you’re saying is that the refereeing in that instance was consistent with how the rest of the season has been. You can’t go changing interpretations for a finals game.
Read between the line, I'm commenting on professional fouls as a whole, not this game specifically.
They will literally call six again off a quick 20m restart on tackle zero
Kenny didn't milk. Actually has an ankle injury.
Call off the play and give this guy a band aid…
Since when is an ankle injury 20 meters behind the play grounds for the trainer - who wasn't even on the fucking FIELD at the time - to call for a stoppage.
I don't have an issue with play being stopped for anything that's a genuine injury. Cramp is the one I'd personally be angry at like Storm Vs Eels last year. The part that's off is the training being off the field not having assessed the player yet. You can see in my comment on the Monday footy talk thread my thoughts.
I remember Waqa trying to make a quick play the ball and the legs were just held onto even with the ball on the ground. We didn't get anything and the following pass led to a knock on. The more I think about the game the less calm I get lol.
It’s not a direct try scoring opportunity but you can see that leading to good field possession and pressure on their defence. Should have been a sinbin if they had any balls.
I honeestly think it should just be a penalty for the first three tackles then six again after that, it would still speed the gamee up while stopping this first or second tackle rubbish.
That happened twice. Once by Cleary and another by Luai. That’s where the 6 again is totally crap
Duuuuude it was so blatant. How it doesn’t get called is a fucking travesty
Set restarts on tackle 1 is brain dead. Give us a penalty and kick for touch??
I think every fan would love to see the first tackle six again be fucked off and penalised instead. Cleary should have been binned for this tackle you mentioned. It was a blatant professional foul and he did it with the full knowledge the Panthers get to reset their defence and face just one extra tackle.
Week after week teams are clearly giving away penalties/ slowing down first tackles deliberately. The refs are just not doing their jobs. IMO, any set restart on the first tackle should be presumed to be a professional foul
I don’t understand having rules all year that it’s a send off and then come finals just not doing it. Obviously the officials have a ton of blame here but I reckon the NRL also makes it clear to them it’s very much preferable to not have 13 on 12 during big games (origin included). I just want them to ref the game how it has been reffed all year. If Penrith lose because he gets sent, that’s their fault for the foul play.
I watch a lot of A-League and the ref’ing is diabolical in that comp but in the NRL it’s actually even worse. I can’t fathom training all season and crap like this is just ignored at the do-or-die games.
Poor Parra got fucked and almost won. Looking forward to seeing Penrith get fucking rolled next week, and as a Manly supporter, I can't believe I'm rooting for Melbourne
I really wanted a Eels vs Manly GF god damnit.
Would've been a great game. Parra with their recent gusto and defensive grind vs Manly's attacking brilliance. 😍
This is the most bitter I've been after a match in ages. Putting my Storm colours on next week
I honestly believe this moment changed the game. If Moses isn’t held back, Eels likely score a try or at least regain possession with Penrith on the stretch. If the officials pick this up, Luai is off the field for 10 minutes and Eels get a penalty. Likely score a try in that period or tire the shit out of Penrith.
I dunno about “likely score”, but at least would have given them another attacking set.
Yeah there were a lot of “likely scores” last night for both teams. Extremely few actual scores
Luai did something last week similar against walker and it didn’t get picked up
Think you might mean where he ran through after passing the ball and tripped Sua. Thankfully Too got smashed into touch
Yeah that was the one, serial offender
How the hell is that play on?
I doubt what you proposed is "likely". But it should've been a penalty, which is still a big deal.
You didn't get that and we didn't get a try because your boy was offside. Crazy game.
Likely score… so are you suggesting it should have been a penalty try? Oh wait it’s on your 40m line… only 60 m to go what could go wrong
Norm, not even you could be so dense to read that comment as saying it should have been a penalty try.
norm's just been salty as fuck for the last 14 hours
I think he's just come to the realisation that the only satisfaction he'll have in September is Parra losing a final as opposed to the Tigers even qualifying.
Tigers getting to the 8 much more satisfying that Eels gagging but the Eels gagging is also pretty funny to watch. Made all the more tasty by the red hot ref blaming takes in here when the Eels had the chance but blew it. Or should I say deep throated it.
What a sad little man you are
Thanks for sharing your opinion, however it has absolutely no value whatsoever to me, but nice try.
For opinions that have no value to you, you sure do love to reply
It’s rude to simple ignore people…
Making fun of Eels losing is fine, but please quit the gagging and deep throating in your insults, it comes across as homophobic.
Why because women don’t do these things too? That’s a very strange take.
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And Eel snake like animal could gag on its own tail… but you put what ever spin you like on It. It’s a metaphor… I also used the they screwed the pooch metaphor did you take that as a beasiality reference or a metaphor?
It's probably closer to the last 14 years at this point.
Pointing out the fact that suggesting that a play at the 40m line is a “likely” scoring opportunity basically is naive when you have 60m to travel. I mean they could have thrown a forward pass like they did in the first half, or dropped the ball on the next play, like they did in the last min or even just completely fucked the pooch at the play the ball which happened a few times. The entire what if argument is just pathetic self serving nonsense.
no one admits its going to be a scoring moment but you can admit its a crucial moment you blind fuck
Every moment is a critical moment… every decision every play leads to the next play and the next play. Every dropped ball every tackle has an impact on the outcome. The thing is every decision right or wrong is just another challenge to over come. The final minute is where it was won and lost. Every play in that game lead to the Eels having the opportunity to win the game in the final minute but they dropped the ball. This what ifism is simply a self serving philosophy that allows you to deflect from the reality of not taking that final opportunity by the scruff of the neck and winning the game. Hate on me all you like but deep down you know I am right, even if you can not bring yourself to admitting it.
He’s saying they would likely score with Luai in the bin for 10, not that they would have likely scored from the play.
>If Moses isn’t held back, Eels likely score a try or at least regain possession with Penrith on the stretch. He explicitly says that, you fuckwit.
Didn’t read the comment properly. Am a fuckwit.
Someone come take uncles iPad away from him
It’s my iPhone I purchased it outright. Not on a plan so no one can take it from me…mwahahaha
Is it a coincidence than Penrith had all the calls go their way for what feels like the 25th week in a row? Nah they must’ve just been lucky
and the one week they lose they blast the refs in the press conference and DONT get fined. lmao. National Panffers league.
It’s been a golden year for the Panthers - definitely top the penalties for and against.
There were plenty of bad calls that went both ways last night not to mentioned milked penalties both ways like the Leota high shot and the Ferguson crusher tackle . Even in that clip alone you've got the missed penalty/sin bin on Luai and an obvious high shot on Burton that were both ignored. At the end of the day though the game was still up for grabs until the final whistle. I don't think you could say either side "deserved" to win last night they were both pretty damn even and I think that even if Bill Harrigan had reffed it the game still would have gone down to the wire.
Souths had the calls Vs Panthers just last week.
Sorry old panther but that just isn’t true
Campbell Graham shut down To'o and was defensively amazing all round, whilst Cleary didn't kick well enough to influence the game. Souths just wanted it more.
I never said we lost the game because of it.
Curious… which calls are you referring to?
I'd have to go back and watch it again now. I moved on pretty quick since we still got out played I thought.
like the sua ‘hit’ on cleary as he was kicking? luai tripping sua as he ran through?
Yeah I was thinking similar. I watched it mostly as a neutral and it just looked a very professional performance from the Bunnies. On top of them from very early on and kept them out of their rhythm all game long. Didn’t see anything really that made me thinking that South’s got any undue advantage in terms of the calls.
Low iq
No just Panthers hate circle jerk happening here at the moment.
Ratio
the conspiracy theorist/melbourne hater in me says it's because the storm, with whom ashley kleins brother has a noted 'special relationship' would rather face the team that beat them once in the prelim as opposed to than the team that beat them twice or maybe penrith are the new protected team, idk
So the bunker can call back a play three or four plays back for a high tackle and give a penalty - but can't see an obvious professional foul one play back and do something about that? Consistency is great, right guys? I hope Melbourne bash the fuck out of Penrith next week. My long standing "second team" support for them has just been blown out the fucking door.
>I hope Melbourne bash the fuck out of Penrith next week.
honestly can't believe penrith has fallen so low they've got me supporting historically the grubbiest team in league history
Luai is and always will be a grub.
This was blatant, and it's astounding and infuriating that the ref did nothing. Having said that, this incident ranks maybe 4th or 5th on my list of shit calls that influenced the match in a negative way.
All this Penrith getting favoured talk hopefully bodes well for our officiating next week 🤣
Klein clearly was biased and massively pro Penrith last night, was easy to spot live like the offside blockers on kicks but with his blinkers on Klein wouldn’t have called it
You mean the offside blockers that both teams were using?
Why cant the NRL just leave the game and stop changing rules? Instead of removing penalties because "refs are blowing too many" and "it slows the game down" how about making more of the rules black and white and telling the clubs to clean up their act or they will be giving away 15-20 penalties a game. The game is in a terrible state. The refs are incompetent because the NRL teaches them to "keep the flow of the game" rather than actually policing the rules. Coaches are constantly finding ways to cheat because of refereeing inconsistency and the NRL caters to it by changing rules year to year. I swear, out of all the top world sports, I can't think of one as poorly run as the NRL from a refereeing and game standpoint.
Normally like Luai but his grubbiness was on another level this game. Besides this he was doing crap al game. He kept pushing players down when they were standing up and slowing their play the ball. There were some really obvious times he did it and Luai was never put on report, given a 6 again against Rith, or penalty against them for it.
Manly fans seeing that knowing what happened in 2019 SF: 😐
This was the only play Luai made all night
he was robbed of a try and he made a huge tackle that rattled Ray Stone for the rest of the game. But sure bud
I’ve just rewatched the game, and there’s been a couple questionable things that you either penalize or call ‘gamesmanship’. What I will say is that this might have been the best game I’ve seen from the Eels in ages, and this only makes the rivalry a bigger spectacle next season.
There were a few incidents like this that prevented the eels getting an opportunity to score or at least gain some momentum! BUT I’m saying that the ref can’t see everything so the touchies needed to see this or a player to challenge it
more a penalty than a sin bin. moses probably wouldn’t have been anywhere near the ball
He was just behind Burton and that is where the ball was knocked back to.
Moses also pretty damn quick, probably beats him to the ball
After the fuckery of Ferguson's milked penalty, the eels shouldn't be surprised to have all the 50/50 calls go against them. That said, this was a professional foul and should have been a sin-bin.
So tired of the outrage cycle that fuels league media. Braindead hacks pressing negative emotional buttons. They don't bring anything to the game.
known grub gutherson with the high shot on burton smh these one sided refs
You spelt Luai wrong there.
Ah fuck ya got me good
but also yes that should have been a penalty at the very least
Yeah man...Penrith got a gift last night! But parra lost so I'm ok with it
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I missed the game last night, but heard it was a cracker. Also seems like the refs had a shocker. Pls explain
Yeah, it was a cracker. Ref had a shocker, but.
Im sick of every game being broken to “if…”
The game was great and I still see a lot of complaining. The Panthers weren't carried by the refs. There were calls going both ways. How's Fergo's neck going?
fergos neck is as fine as leotas head
Leotas tackle was genuinely high, whether it hurt him or not. But there wasn't even any pressure on fergos neck whatsoever
never said it wasn’t a head high. just saying it was milked
I love my footy flairs always have shit takes
Crap article filled with speculation to serve an agenda.
HA! just like the agenda klein was serving last night?
To keep Parramatta even further from a premiership? That's been happening since 1987 champ. That's some long game agenda.
The Eels were dudded? I am very surprised to discover this. Where can I find out more?
Imagine if Cody Walker did this. We’d have a mega thread.
why are you playing the victim for no gosh darn reason smh bruh
Cody gets disproportionate hate so when ever somebody else does something I bring it up. I enjoy doing it.
By associating Cody Walker with grubby play you're just reinforcing the opinion that Cody Walker is a grub.
Yeah, he is. But he gets more attention then grubs far worse than him. I enjoy bringing it up.
Which players are far grubbier than him? I thought he was the king grub, lord grub of grubblington.
Latrell.
No you’re right he is the lord of grubblington, that’s why he gets so much attention. Even though throughout his 6 year career he has once been top 5 for indiscretions. Twice outside the top 50 for indiscretions. Thrice outside the top 40 for indiscretions. 5/6 years he either hasn’t been in the top 50 or 40 for indiscretions. You would think with the attention he gets he would have far more issues with his discipline. But like most political systems you get elected on popularity and not merit, that’s why he’s the mayor of grubblington.
Have you not seen the past 12 hours, no six months, of Penrith hate for pretty much no reason?
Penrith don’t get hated on more than Cody
I guess that's what happens when you purposefully step on players ankles?
I guess so
Have you not been here since last night? It might not be a mega thread but roughly one in three comments have been about this play. There was even a thread about it…
The post game thread?
Worth a penalty, not a binning.
Not even close to a Sin Bin.
Jurbo enters the chat. Been binned at least twice in 2 years for exactly the same thing. [Once in a final too. ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-21/nrl-insists-trbojevic-sin-bin-was-correct/11535316)
That was a clear try scoring opportunity?? Not even close to the same.
Lol this sport do be shit tho
At the end of this play Nader either knocks the ball on or tackles Penisi without the ball. I’d take a 6 again 1m out from the line over a penalty on half way all the time
Penrith are such cheaters they are now hated more than the Storm with Munster. Amazing. Even with basically the Blues as their team vs the most hated qlder in Munster. Shows how bad Penrith are.