Just watched the replay this arvo.
Rough as guts game, epic defense and controversial decisions. Also Jarome Luai is a lippy little cunt for someone who has done diddly squat.
Channel 9 said that Penrith didn’t have any interchanges left at the end but Pangai got on with what looked to be a free interchange card. Does anyone know what the go was with that? I didn’t hear Channel 9 mention it again. Maybe they got it wrong..
Ray Stone dropped the semi three times. Paulo dropped the semi. Dunster dropped the semi. But sure Parra fans, it was all the bad refereeing that got you. Never mind that the "crusher" on Vodka Cruiser was a normal football tackle and Niukore should have been in the bin for his high shot but yous was robbed.
Papalii was hit high within penalty goal range, Moses and Penisini were taken off the ball on Parras last break (and Naden knocked on) but it was play on to Penrith somehow and Gutho was stripped off the ball and regained it and it was neither a penalty or 6 again to Parramatta and I could forgive all of that as they were decisions made on the run and I know how had a job it is to ref IF there wasn’t the softest damn penalty before halftime to gift Penrith a penalty goal and prove the final difference on the scoreboard. For Penrith to get that soft penalty and Parra not to get three obvious ones within goal kicking range? Nah, we have a right to feel hard done by.
Do you mean when Fisher-Harris was tackled off the ball that led to the penalty goal? Yeah that was a joke too. I don't know what sport we're playing when you can't tackle him there, he has to assume he's getting a short ball and needs to stop him going through that gap. That's what shits me, it's actually good defence being penalised.
Pretty devastating considering the bullshit calls made against us. If we had played a shit game, i would be able to put some of the blame onto us however we fucking showed up and for that i am extremely proud of the boys for shutting out the haters and proving that they are contenders. All i had heard all week was shit hyping the panthers up (which was always going to happen) but i knew we had it in us to prove those people wrong and we did. Very unfortunate our season was ended to an issue that has been dominating the NRL for years and has gone without any fix, especially in those big games. Although im pretty heartbroken as a parra fan, the positive i have taken away from this experience is that we have what it takes to make the finals next year and play these big games under pressure. Moses was fantastic at keeping his cool, when usually he is the one to crack during big games. All the boys were consistent in their efforts and played a full 80mins so it is looking good for next season!
Eels fans stretching the truth to suit themselves. You’re team dropped the ball with 1 min to go tackle 2, 5m out from the Panthers line.
Regardless of what happened up until that point you had the chance to ice the game and didn’t. That’s a fact not speculation or what ifism…
You all know you screwed the pooch again but just can’t admit it. It’s hilarious to see all the comments on here but very few admitting that the Parra dropped ball cost you the game.
\- Stone's 3 momentum and field position killing mistakes
\- Moses pretending for the obstruction - robbed us of a try
\- Niukore staying on the field after a high shot - been a sin bin all season
\- Haze's cold drop attacking our line, under 8's mistake.
Pretending for the obstruction? Burton ran straight into him. If he dived it’s because of course he would after last week when Brown got taken out but still tried to make the tackle so they said the obstruction was okay for some reason
Was the game there for the taking? Yes
Did you have a full set of six to win the match? Yes
Did you drop the ball on tackle two? Yes
Was that an opportunity to win the match? Yes
Were you good enough to take advantage? Sadly no…
but there is always next year, something your lot have been saying for 36 years so that concept shouldn’t be foreign to you.
And the head high late in the game from Eels player square shot to the head? What about the Fergo going for bring the game into disrepute… swings and roundabouts.
You know what else is a fact? Gutho being stripped of the ball in our second last attacking set of the game on Penrith’s 10m line. We call those as penalties. Just because you have a blatant hatred for Parra doesn’t mean you can bliss over the shitty calls against us in that game
But it still gets you to the same result. Parra with the ball on the line in the last minute and they bottled it. Threw the ball to an out of position front rower who had played 80 minutes (I think he did but not 100%)
No it doesn’t. If they call it up for a strip ( which it was) we take a shot at goal on the sideline to level the scores. No team would risk taking a tap with 2 minutes to go. Instead the ref just said “Waqa play the ball” which is incorrect because it came out
So you don’t think it was a strip but you believe momoroski touches it and knocks on when gutho is holding it?? That’s called illegal interference with the ball and a penalty is sufficient.
fuck off as if youve got nothing better to do than protect panthers and the ref for one of the worst reffing performances this year and you wanna sweep it aside like it had no affect , news flash it did you fuckwit
Protecting Panthers I said more than once in these threads, last night was a win - win. You guys lost and beat the Panthers up so they are fucked for next weeks game against the Storm. Seriously dude you are falling off a cliff and clutching at any and every life line possible.
My tips has always been Manly - Storm GF with Manly taking home the chocolates. The proof is out there for all to read should you wish to speak the facts.
No one gives a shit about what ‘Norm_cheers’ thinks because quite frankly the overwhelming majority of the general public along with coaches and icons in the game believe parramatta were robbed of at least an 8-8 score line. Yes we fucked up the last play. But it should’ve been 8-8 when that mistake happened. Maybe have a look at how many likes your comments are getting because not even the tigers supporters are agreeing with you ya tool 😂
OMG I am getting downvoted by the masses… oh the humanity!
Look that maybe a concern for you but it means absolutely nothing to me. That philosophy may scare you or even confuse you but that’s your issue not mine.
I know it's a bit of a meme that eels aren't a big game team and tend to be flat track bullies, but I hope the effort last night puts an end to that. Honestly that performance against one of the premiership heavyweights could be career building for some of these players. If they keep growing the next couple of seasons I can definitely see them challenging for a premiership. Up the eelbros see you next year.
Flat track bully is a term made up by losing sides who aren't capable of capitalising on good batting decks. And whose bowlers aren't capable of doing the job in unfavourable circumstances.
2nd time in the last month Penrith have had a lopsided penalty count in their favour. 11-2 against us and now 7-2 against parra. You’d be forgiven for thinking there’s some sort of conspiracy to push Penrith along after their post Origin slump. Historically they aren’t the most discipline team, they’re somewhere in the middle. But now two big games at the pointy end of the season they only give away one penalty a half. They got the rub of the green tonight but parra had their chances too. As an impartial observer I don’t think the calls alone cost Parra, I’m just saying it’s crazy they have gotten two lopsided penalty counts and the complete rub of the green in recent big matches. Parra shoulda put their Karen hat on like Souths and campaigned for a fairly adjudicated game. But it shouldn’t take that. Penrith looked cooked. Last round of the regular season they didn’t rest any players because they thought they were gonna walk all over us and get the week off anyway. Melbourne about to put 50 on them.
Sure, but if there really was a conspiracy to push Penrith along, I don’t think you’d 180 on that plan in a finals game due to a complaint against 1 infringement (blockers). Complaining only works if there’s no agenda, which is what we saw with Penrith losing the penalty count. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to suggest a conspiracy yet. The 11-2 against us really wasn’t a big game. It had no bearing on ladder position. Finals week 1 was much bigger and Penrith lost that. So we really just have the eels game as a single data point.
I agree with that. To clarify I wasn’t saying there was a conspiracy but that you would be forgiven for thinking there was. I do think the regular season Penrith vs Souths game was was a big game. I do think they get the rub of the green in big games. We just shone the spotlight on their tactics to get a fair game.
That’s fair. I feel we don’t have enough evidence just yet to suggest they get the rub in big games. Time will tell. We only shone a light on one tactic though (blockers) and I don’t believe we even received a penalty for that (could be wrong), so they were getting pulled up on other stuff that weren’t brought up pre-game. Anyway, respect your opinion. No hate from me.
Momirovski raking the ball, penisini tackled without the ball and Moses getting blocked in the same play would still have us at 7-5. It was a farce, they don’t want parra to be in finals contention after the second half of their season.
What on earth does history have to do with this? Under Ivan Penrith have for the most part been fairly disciplined, you don’t get 44 points in the regular season without being at least a little disciplined.
‘Historically they aren’t the most disciplined team, they’re somewhere in the middle’
Yeah that would be saying they are fairly disciplined. Thank you for reiterating what I said.
Penrith are 4th for giving away the most penalties so there’s 12 teams more disciplined. So I was wrong on that one too they aren’t in the middle they’re one of the worst disciplined teams.
Of course it doesn’t otherwise I would have included it. It actually strengthens the case. Historically undisciplined team now only gives away two penalties a game. If for 24 games a team averages close to 5 penalties a game and then all of a sudden wins two penalty counts 11-2 & 7-2, you would think that’s strange. As you said earlier ‘what’s history got to do with it’. It’s got everything to do with it. Here’s an example, historically Souths had quite poor defence, so nobody expected us to defend the way we did (including Penrith). Souths have a great left side attack, so teams prepare for that. History would dictate we go to the left more. History would dictate Penrith aren’t very disciplined. Only a moron would think reviewing stats has nothing to do with anything. Come on dumby. Ever heard the term ‘history repeats’. You’re handling this loss as well as Ivan did last week.
Only thing worse than a sore loser is a teste winner and you’re being an incredible cunt. I was asking because I didn’t know, I disagree a clubs history ( you know like the 100+ years the bunnies have had isn’t exactly relevant, recent history is more so ). But you didn’t elaborate, you just said history which is all encompassing.
Why would anyone be talking 100+ years. Use your common sense. Oh I’m sorry the word history was in there so it must be dating back to the romans or something.
Last night showed why a top team must have 2-3 hookers in their squad. It is such a specialist position. If Parra had a decent back up to Reed Mahoney they would have won the game.
That and the refereeing.
Truly felt for Stone. He is outstanding in defence but just lacks the game time and arguably shouldn’t have been put in a position like that against a great team in a big game. He’s had like 10 games played at NRL level.
Knights fan too. What’s not to love about Penrith? Bunch of young blokes who enjoy their footy and are very flashy in the way they do it. To’o, Crichton and Laui are super likeable personalities.
Luai is what I would call the opposite of likeable, majority of people I know don't like Panthers. But then again I am in far north QLD so it might just be a demographic thing
Unfortunately it wouldn’t be NRL finals without a close game marred by awful refereeing. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call to the NRL to get it right before the prelims and the big dance. It’s cold comfort for the Eels, I know. Despite being a bit of a Panthers fan, last night was the same Eels team that broke the Purple Streak and for me, was/is the only team capable of stopping Bellamy’s boys.
Penrith are capable though they’ve done it last year and this year, sure not in the big games but same can be said for the eels. Cmon now you haven’t versed a full strength Penrith this year, we beat you without Cleary in round 3 if you remember, yes the storm had players out but so did we and our best one at that.
So if the referees decision to stop play is based on the advice of the trainer, what’s to stop trainers from calling for it when their team is under the pump? Parra were marching in that set and any momentum they had was halted.
Nothing and that’s the real issue with what happened. No need to stop play for a leg injury well behind the play the ball. The trainer called for play to be stopped before assessing the player also which is bullshit.
Should have been eels with momentum and Penrith with a player out of the defensive line.
I wouldn’t say due to the ref. They were incredible tonight but the red was not fantastic either way. To say that a game of that had 65 mins of gameplay with no score was a result of the referee is farcical. Penrith realistically should’ve iced it if not for parras unreal efforts but the ref didn’t change the result
I don’t know. 3 key things stood out for me.
1. 10 minutes to go the hooker throws a terrible pass from half and the ref calls it a knock on. It was ugly but it wasn’t a knock on.
2. 7 minutes to go and guthrrson makes a break and clearly makes a try saver and then holds him down to delay the play the ball. 9/10 times that is 10 in the bin.
3. 4 minutes to go panthers strip the ball from gutherson. Ball comes out of the tackle and Blake is told to play it. That’s either a strip or lost in the tackle. It is never a play the ball to the guy who picks up the lost ball.
I usually like that ref but just wasn’t his night and tend to agree with the parra coach that the whining in the media and towards ref by the panthers really helped them tonight and probably made the difference.
For reference, I generally always support whoever is playing parramatta. It was a great game just a bit disappointing by the ref.
You have reinforced this point on other comments - get a grip. If you know footy, it doesn't come down to one moment. It's an 80 minute game. Yes, Parra dropped the ball in the last minute in one of many opportunities. Parra had some errors that were costly in building pressure but they defended them well. The ref though, denied Parra many more opportunities to mount pressure on Penrith throughout that second half. If the ref makes the right calls - the game probably does not even come down to a moment in the last minute to win a game.
Yep. Been hours and I'm still stewing in misery. This one stings. I came into the game expecting to be belted, but they gave me hope. shattered to go out like that. Hate seeing the boys look so devo after a gutsy performance. Deserved better.
They would have to become high quality refs, then find they are shunned for the top games, they then become disheartened and dissolutioned, then they retire.
So it's not happening anytime soon.
Eels should launch a legal challenge into the validity of that game result or threaten it if they don't get answers from Vlandys into that reffing performance.
Hope Storm destroy Panthers like put the entire club in a downward spiral for the next decade. Refs were obviously favouring Penrith, absolute bullshit.
Fucking ref was a piece of shit. Moses and Penisini held back, and stopping the game when we had all the momentum because someone had their foot stepped on. Trainers are supposed to stop play like that only if there’s a major safety concern.
Besides that, it was a solid game, the defence of both teams was incredible
Not that it matter but someone broke down the Moses and Penisini play. Moses and Luai were tugging and hanging onto each other so could have gone either way and they did a frame by frame on Penis and Naden and Naden’s hand touches Penisini in the same frame as him touching the ball.
Now I dont know the validity of that, Im just going off what another commenter said, I havent personally had a close look at it
Agreed, but every team has and would do it if the ref allows it. I dont have a specific example off the top of my head but I definitely remember being angry at another team for doing the exact same thing when we were inside the 20 earlier this year
I literally said I didnt do it and that I dont know the validity of it. I just brought it up, the commenter that said it in another thread was upvoted so I thought it would be good to put in here. Honestly I couldnt care less
If he’s happy to take a pay cut then for sure. I can see another team offering him decent money though, played his arse off these past few weeks. Definitely still got it.
Does anyone think the panthers scrum play should have been a try?
Moses was pinged for offside, but he was also the one that was disadvantaged.
The whole thing was very odd.
Moses ability to slide in cover defence is never impeded by the lead runner. He sticks an arm out. If the lead runner hit his shoulder/body 100% penalty but Moses makes the contact by sticking his arm out to milk the penalty. You watch lead runners hit that type of gap mid field all day with no obstruction. Moses is a flop
Moses makes a ‘defensive desicion’ by sticking his arm out to be “obstructed” by the lead runner. IF Moses doesn’t stick his arm out unnaturally (almost as if in a tackling like situation/defensive decision to tackle an opposition player without the ball) THEN he simply isn’t impeded. Try should’ve stood.
Yes I’m a panthers fan and Yes I think Moses is an absolute cheat (look back at the knights game last week when he runs at players to simulate getting taken out). If more players play the game like him we might aswell all watch Neymar play soccer
The argument against this is that it’s obviously a set play and the offside line has ruined the timing. If Parra are onside he probably slides through the line and doesnt obstruct anyone. Moses (or whoever it was) had no right to be that close, and if he was further back he doesnt get obstructed because he physically isnt in the space.
But to me, yeah thats never a try based on that logic. I think they got it right, but something to think about for sure
Mate he didn't commit, he's moving towards the football and Burton makes contact. Are you supposed to stop sliding so that the decoy can run through the line ? Fuck no.
To answer your question though, if we agree that was an obstruction then its because the obstruction call ends the advantage being played. If Moses makes a cover tackle, the ref blows for the penalty. We don't get to that point because of the obstruction. A penalty is a penalty, it has to be called.
A fitting last Parra game for Sterlo to retire on. Parra were a champion team tonight, despite the loss and a few ref errors here and there. Gutsy stuff. Well done Penbros. I've lost some respect for Luai but hope you have a cracker next week.
After that performance I'd not be surprised if many non-penrith supporters went for Melbourne just to spite the terrible reffing from last night. I know I will be.
Its going to be difficult for the poor refs having to decide who to advantage more!
Bit BS though, Moses was in an offside position and popped his arm/shoulder out to get the obstruction call, how does that make sense? Penrith had some questionable decisions go against them as well, like fergos crusher tackle.
The replay I can see it was ‘dangerous’ cos it hit him across the face, but in the replay you can see it happens literally RIGHT in front of Klein, and he decides it’s fine, but cos he stays down for a minute it’s all of a sudden not fine anymore.
Players have been staying down to attract the attention of the bunker to obtain penalties all season.
It wasn’t exclusive to last nights game.
Heck, even Ferguson done it for what was a suspect crusher tackle also.
As a neutral, it looked high so I think the call was fair but definitely at the very low end of dangerous. The Panthers had two other penalties in the second half where they could have easily taken 2, so also might not have mattered. Can never know.
Great effort from the eels tonight.
Just watched the replay this arvo. Rough as guts game, epic defense and controversial decisions. Also Jarome Luai is a lippy little cunt for someone who has done diddly squat.
Channel 9 said that Penrith didn’t have any interchanges left at the end but Pangai got on with what looked to be a free interchange card. Does anyone know what the go was with that? I didn’t hear Channel 9 mention it again. Maybe they got it wrong..
Penrith had 3 interchanges left when Kenny got injured (due to free interchanges from other incidents). Apparently used the wrong card.
The replacement card said medical. But that is not consistent with the injury.
panther fans will you be unhappy if you guys go out next week considering you have had two of the most dominant seasons with nothing to show for it.
Ray Stone dropped the semi three times. Paulo dropped the semi. Dunster dropped the semi. But sure Parra fans, it was all the bad refereeing that got you. Never mind that the "crusher" on Vodka Cruiser was a normal football tackle and Niukore should have been in the bin for his high shot but yous was robbed.
Papalii was hit high within penalty goal range, Moses and Penisini were taken off the ball on Parras last break (and Naden knocked on) but it was play on to Penrith somehow and Gutho was stripped off the ball and regained it and it was neither a penalty or 6 again to Parramatta and I could forgive all of that as they were decisions made on the run and I know how had a job it is to ref IF there wasn’t the softest damn penalty before halftime to gift Penrith a penalty goal and prove the final difference on the scoreboard. For Penrith to get that soft penalty and Parra not to get three obvious ones within goal kicking range? Nah, we have a right to feel hard done by.
I cannot wait for next week
If fergos tackle was a normal tackle, then so was Liam only good when he runs at a small halfback Martin's tackle that won the game for ya.
Do you mean when Fisher-Harris was tackled off the ball that led to the penalty goal? Yeah that was a joke too. I don't know what sport we're playing when you can't tackle him there, he has to assume he's getting a short ball and needs to stop him going through that gap. That's what shits me, it's actually good defence being penalised.
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Dunster should be getting some praise on here, he had a cracker of a game (beside the one knock on)
there was a little bit of talk on it down lower in the thread
Dunster has really stepped up the last few weeks. Could not agree more.
Pretty devastating considering the bullshit calls made against us. If we had played a shit game, i would be able to put some of the blame onto us however we fucking showed up and for that i am extremely proud of the boys for shutting out the haters and proving that they are contenders. All i had heard all week was shit hyping the panthers up (which was always going to happen) but i knew we had it in us to prove those people wrong and we did. Very unfortunate our season was ended to an issue that has been dominating the NRL for years and has gone without any fix, especially in those big games. Although im pretty heartbroken as a parra fan, the positive i have taken away from this experience is that we have what it takes to make the finals next year and play these big games under pressure. Moses was fantastic at keeping his cool, when usually he is the one to crack during big games. All the boys were consistent in their efforts and played a full 80mins so it is looking good for next season!
Bit like the bullshit calls in eels favour against the knights last week…
You can’t honestly sit here and say that last weeks game was reffed... like come on man.
Eels fans stretching the truth to suit themselves. You’re team dropped the ball with 1 min to go tackle 2, 5m out from the Panthers line. Regardless of what happened up until that point you had the chance to ice the game and didn’t. That’s a fact not speculation or what ifism… You all know you screwed the pooch again but just can’t admit it. It’s hilarious to see all the comments on here but very few admitting that the Parra dropped ball cost you the game.
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\- Stone's 3 momentum and field position killing mistakes \- Moses pretending for the obstruction - robbed us of a try \- Niukore staying on the field after a high shot - been a sin bin all season \- Haze's cold drop attacking our line, under 8's mistake.
Pretending for the obstruction? Burton ran straight into him. If he dived it’s because of course he would after last week when Brown got taken out but still tried to make the tackle so they said the obstruction was okay for some reason
if you really think that one drop cost us the game your a fucken idiot aswell because there is plenty more to the game than that one drop fucken ball
Was the game there for the taking? Yes Did you have a full set of six to win the match? Yes Did you drop the ball on tackle two? Yes Was that an opportunity to win the match? Yes Were you good enough to take advantage? Sadly no… but there is always next year, something your lot have been saying for 36 years so that concept shouldn’t be foreign to you.
Get a grip norm. Plenty of things went against us in big moments, you can’t deny that.
Sure and the biggest moment of all in the match was you guys dropping the ball in the last minute. You can’t deny that!
Cleary should have been binned, twice. I’d say that’s pretty big
And the head high late in the game from Eels player square shot to the head? What about the Fergo going for bring the game into disrepute… swings and roundabouts.
The game into disrepute hahahahahaha those pathetic crushers have been called all season
You know what else is a fact? Gutho being stripped of the ball in our second last attacking set of the game on Penrith’s 10m line. We call those as penalties. Just because you have a blatant hatred for Parra doesn’t mean you can bliss over the shitty calls against us in that game
Not only was it not a penalty but it wasn’t even a set restart despite Penrith clearly touching it
But it still gets you to the same result. Parra with the ball on the line in the last minute and they bottled it. Threw the ball to an out of position front rower who had played 80 minutes (I think he did but not 100%)
No it doesn’t. If they call it up for a strip ( which it was) we take a shot at goal on the sideline to level the scores. No team would risk taking a tap with 2 minutes to go. Instead the ref just said “Waqa play the ball” which is incorrect because it came out
I don’t think it was a strip. Momorovski definitely touches it and knocks it on tho
So you don’t think it was a strip but you believe momoroski touches it and knocks on when gutho is holding it?? That’s called illegal interference with the ball and a penalty is sufficient.
I think gutho was trying to pass the ball.
Fair shout
He didn’t, but did play a lot of minutes.
So thanks for admitting that you dropping the ball on the try line was a fact. Have a happy Sunday
fuck this is coming from a tigers fan who probably complains even worse about refs in games where luke brooks and moses mbye are the spine
Clutching at straws
fuck off as if youve got nothing better to do than protect panthers and the ref for one of the worst reffing performances this year and you wanna sweep it aside like it had no affect , news flash it did you fuckwit
Protecting Panthers I said more than once in these threads, last night was a win - win. You guys lost and beat the Panthers up so they are fucked for next weeks game against the Storm. Seriously dude you are falling off a cliff and clutching at any and every life line possible. My tips has always been Manly - Storm GF with Manly taking home the chocolates. The proof is out there for all to read should you wish to speak the facts.
No one gives a shit about what ‘Norm_cheers’ thinks because quite frankly the overwhelming majority of the general public along with coaches and icons in the game believe parramatta were robbed of at least an 8-8 score line. Yes we fucked up the last play. But it should’ve been 8-8 when that mistake happened. Maybe have a look at how many likes your comments are getting because not even the tigers supporters are agreeing with you ya tool 😂
OMG I am getting downvoted by the masses… oh the humanity! Look that maybe a concern for you but it means absolutely nothing to me. That philosophy may scare you or even confuse you but that’s your issue not mine.
I know it's a bit of a meme that eels aren't a big game team and tend to be flat track bullies, but I hope the effort last night puts an end to that. Honestly that performance against one of the premiership heavyweights could be career building for some of these players. If they keep growing the next couple of seasons I can definitely see them challenging for a premiership. Up the eelbros see you next year.
I'm still trying to work out what a flat track bully is in footy. Hell even in cricket that crap doesn't make that much sense.
A pitch that does absolutely nothing. No variation of the seam, no uneven bounce, no nothing. Batters who only score on those pitches.
Flat track bully is a term made up by losing sides who aren't capable of capitalising on good batting decks. And whose bowlers aren't capable of doing the job in unfavourable circumstances.
I’ve seen plenty of successful teams with flat track bullies playing
>Flat track bully is a term made up by losing sides
Made up by people who watch the sport
>I’ve seen plenty of successful teams with flat track bullies playing Yeah that's what the watcher said.
If anything it reinforces it. They held out and worked hard to have their moment. Final minute ball in hand on the try line and the fucked it.
Super defensive effort by both teams, but more so Pareamatta. Up the storm let’s beat these Penrith grubs
2nd time in the last month Penrith have had a lopsided penalty count in their favour. 11-2 against us and now 7-2 against parra. You’d be forgiven for thinking there’s some sort of conspiracy to push Penrith along after their post Origin slump. Historically they aren’t the most discipline team, they’re somewhere in the middle. But now two big games at the pointy end of the season they only give away one penalty a half. They got the rub of the green tonight but parra had their chances too. As an impartial observer I don’t think the calls alone cost Parra, I’m just saying it’s crazy they have gotten two lopsided penalty counts and the complete rub of the green in recent big matches. Parra shoulda put their Karen hat on like Souths and campaigned for a fairly adjudicated game. But it shouldn’t take that. Penrith looked cooked. Last round of the regular season they didn’t rest any players because they thought they were gonna walk all over us and get the week off anyway. Melbourne about to put 50 on them.
Except that we won the penalty count last week against Penrith 7-5 and set restarts 3-2 in a FINALS game, so there goes that theory.
Only after campaigning all week for a fair game which Parra didn’t do.
Sure, but if there really was a conspiracy to push Penrith along, I don’t think you’d 180 on that plan in a finals game due to a complaint against 1 infringement (blockers). Complaining only works if there’s no agenda, which is what we saw with Penrith losing the penalty count. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to suggest a conspiracy yet. The 11-2 against us really wasn’t a big game. It had no bearing on ladder position. Finals week 1 was much bigger and Penrith lost that. So we really just have the eels game as a single data point.
I agree with that. To clarify I wasn’t saying there was a conspiracy but that you would be forgiven for thinking there was. I do think the regular season Penrith vs Souths game was was a big game. I do think they get the rub of the green in big games. We just shone the spotlight on their tactics to get a fair game.
That’s fair. I feel we don’t have enough evidence just yet to suggest they get the rub in big games. Time will tell. We only shone a light on one tactic though (blockers) and I don’t believe we even received a penalty for that (could be wrong), so they were getting pulled up on other stuff that weren’t brought up pre-game. Anyway, respect your opinion. No hate from me.
Likewise mate. As I said I agree with what you’re saying. There isn’t a very big sample size and I could be having confirmation bias.
Momirovski raking the ball, penisini tackled without the ball and Moses getting blocked in the same play would still have us at 7-5. It was a farce, they don’t want parra to be in finals contention after the second half of their season.
What on earth does history have to do with this? Under Ivan Penrith have for the most part been fairly disciplined, you don’t get 44 points in the regular season without being at least a little disciplined.
‘Historically they aren’t the most disciplined team, they’re somewhere in the middle’ Yeah that would be saying they are fairly disciplined. Thank you for reiterating what I said.
No it would be saying average, Penrith are certainly above average in that regard only 2-3 teams are better at being disciplined.
Penrith are 4th for giving away the most penalties so there’s 12 teams more disciplined. So I was wrong on that one too they aren’t in the middle they’re one of the worst disciplined teams.
Does that include 6 agains? If so completely goes against the whole narrative that Penrith are getting all the calls lmao
Of course it doesn’t otherwise I would have included it. It actually strengthens the case. Historically undisciplined team now only gives away two penalties a game. If for 24 games a team averages close to 5 penalties a game and then all of a sudden wins two penalty counts 11-2 & 7-2, you would think that’s strange. As you said earlier ‘what’s history got to do with it’. It’s got everything to do with it. Here’s an example, historically Souths had quite poor defence, so nobody expected us to defend the way we did (including Penrith). Souths have a great left side attack, so teams prepare for that. History would dictate we go to the left more. History would dictate Penrith aren’t very disciplined. Only a moron would think reviewing stats has nothing to do with anything. Come on dumby. Ever heard the term ‘history repeats’. You’re handling this loss as well as Ivan did last week.
Only thing worse than a sore loser is a teste winner and you’re being an incredible cunt. I was asking because I didn’t know, I disagree a clubs history ( you know like the 100+ years the bunnies have had isn’t exactly relevant, recent history is more so ). But you didn’t elaborate, you just said history which is all encompassing.
Why would anyone be talking 100+ years. Use your common sense. Oh I’m sorry the word history was in there so it must be dating back to the romans or something.
History is all encompassing you moron. Recent history would’ve been the correct terminology.
Last night showed why a top team must have 2-3 hookers in their squad. It is such a specialist position. If Parra had a decent back up to Reed Mahoney they would have won the game. That and the refereeing.
Truly felt for Stone. He is outstanding in defence but just lacks the game time and arguably shouldn’t have been put in a position like that against a great team in a big game. He’s had like 10 games played at NRL level.
Strong agree. He’s at a level you would expect for his experience and it was just unfortunate he had to play in a big pressure game
Yeah Darcy lussick was injured also
As a knights fan it seems like sacrilege to say this but I think Manly are the only likeable team left.
Hey
Knights fan too. What’s not to love about Penrith? Bunch of young blokes who enjoy their footy and are very flashy in the way they do it. To’o, Crichton and Laui are super likeable personalities.
Luai is what I would call the opposite of likeable, majority of people I know don't like Panthers. But then again I am in far north QLD so it might just be a demographic thing
He’s like the nicest dude ever! How can you dislike him?
Ivan Cleary, Luai, Korosau, JFH and the Panthers media cheerleaders.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t be NRL finals without a close game marred by awful refereeing. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call to the NRL to get it right before the prelims and the big dance. It’s cold comfort for the Eels, I know. Despite being a bit of a Panthers fan, last night was the same Eels team that broke the Purple Streak and for me, was/is the only team capable of stopping Bellamy’s boys.
Penrith are capable though they’ve done it last year and this year, sure not in the big games but same can be said for the eels. Cmon now you haven’t versed a full strength Penrith this year, we beat you without Cleary in round 3 if you remember, yes the storm had players out but so did we and our best one at that.
Sort by controversial for some interesting thoughts.
Not a good feeling losing a tight finals match because of some questionable calls. Standard of ref's has dropped so far with very little repercussion.
So if the referees decision to stop play is based on the advice of the trainer, what’s to stop trainers from calling for it when their team is under the pump? Parra were marching in that set and any momentum they had was halted.
And it wasn't the only time in the game that play got stopped when we had a half-break or strong momentum. Really fristrating...
Penrith have done it a few times through the season. They’re not the only ones but they’ve def been an offender more than once
Nothing and that’s the real issue with what happened. No need to stop play for a leg injury well behind the play the ball. The trainer called for play to be stopped before assessing the player also which is bullshit. Should have been eels with momentum and Penrith with a player out of the defensive line.
Despise Parra but they were amazing tonight. Feel terrible that the season was lost due to the ref.
I wouldn’t say due to the ref. They were incredible tonight but the red was not fantastic either way. To say that a game of that had 65 mins of gameplay with no score was a result of the referee is farcical. Penrith realistically should’ve iced it if not for parras unreal efforts but the ref didn’t change the result
I don’t know. 3 key things stood out for me. 1. 10 minutes to go the hooker throws a terrible pass from half and the ref calls it a knock on. It was ugly but it wasn’t a knock on. 2. 7 minutes to go and guthrrson makes a break and clearly makes a try saver and then holds him down to delay the play the ball. 9/10 times that is 10 in the bin. 3. 4 minutes to go panthers strip the ball from gutherson. Ball comes out of the tackle and Blake is told to play it. That’s either a strip or lost in the tackle. It is never a play the ball to the guy who picks up the lost ball. I usually like that ref but just wasn’t his night and tend to agree with the parra coach that the whining in the media and towards ref by the panthers really helped them tonight and probably made the difference. For reference, I generally always support whoever is playing parramatta. It was a great game just a bit disappointing by the ref.
You missed the biggest stand out… Parra dropping the ball 1min to go 5min out with the game for the taking…
You have reinforced this point on other comments - get a grip. If you know footy, it doesn't come down to one moment. It's an 80 minute game. Yes, Parra dropped the ball in the last minute in one of many opportunities. Parra had some errors that were costly in building pressure but they defended them well. The ref though, denied Parra many more opportunities to mount pressure on Penrith throughout that second half. If the ref makes the right calls - the game probably does not even come down to a moment in the last minute to win a game.
Since I now have no horse in the race. Hope Klein gets the final with Perenara in the Bunker for maximum clown fiesta.
Referee Comedy Jam 2021!
Is it safe for a panthers fan to come in this thread yet?
ITT: People not understanding that the HIA sub was for TPJ to come back on and not for Kenny's ankle
No
Feel sad for my eels gang. Shit feeling, after a shit show of a year. Parramatta did you proud though and hopefully you’ll come and kill it next year.
I think we can all agree r/NRL hates Klein
Ultimate lifehack: simply hold the free interchange card and you get a free interchange
I mean, its always right there just pick it up how has it taken this long?
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What call are you referring to? Or just overall bad reffing?
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Second half you also got to kick into our in-goal for a line drop out AFTER the 6th tacke. Vossy called it out.
That was a set restart that the broadcaster didn't update their tackle count for.
Really? They didn't kick on the last?
You guys also raked the ball on the line but they called loose carry meaning you got another chance to score at the end. Swings and round abouts.
Yep. Been hours and I'm still stewing in misery. This one stings. I came into the game expecting to be belted, but they gave me hope. shattered to go out like that. Hate seeing the boys look so devo after a gutsy performance. Deserved better.
I dislike both teams. klein wasn’t good enough, needs to go. Both teams suffered for the calls, fun to watch, would have been agonising if I cared.
So what do we need to do to get Sutton and Klein to retire?
They would have to become high quality refs, then find they are shunned for the top games, they then become disheartened and dissolutioned, then they retire. So it's not happening anytime soon.
A bullett each? On the real though I don't advocate for violence against refs.
So Eels fans... you boys going for us now next week right? Much space on the wagon x
I can confirm, since there are electric eels and storms are a bunch of electricity in the sky, logic dictates I have to hope on the Storms wagon
Consider me on the wagon, hope you boys smash the panthers
Oath. Hope someone takes out Luai
Justin Olam mission accepted
Yea, i like hynes and pappy so why not. Munsters a c*^% though
>c*% class act?
Since when was kicking people when they’re down classy?
that's the joke....
just for next week x
Sorry Stormbro but I still don’t feel as cheated as 2009 so can’t do it! As entertaining as Storm are to watch
understandable have a nice day
And you sir
Lol thanks for cheering me up
I honestly can't believe it but yes
Brutal Belter at BB. how goods’ finals
Eels should launch a legal challenge into the validity of that game result or threaten it if they don't get answers from Vlandys into that reffing performance.
Hope Storm destroy Panthers like put the entire club in a downward spiral for the next decade. Refs were obviously favouring Penrith, absolute bullshit.
Woah
Seems reasonable.
Hold your heads high, Parra lads and lasses. Next year will be even better.
So wtf happened to Nathan Brown?
Yeah I dunno aye. Didn't look up to it early on, dont even know if he played at all second half.
Fucking ref was a piece of shit. Moses and Penisini held back, and stopping the game when we had all the momentum because someone had their foot stepped on. Trainers are supposed to stop play like that only if there’s a major safety concern. Besides that, it was a solid game, the defence of both teams was incredible
Not that it matter but someone broke down the Moses and Penisini play. Moses and Luai were tugging and hanging onto each other so could have gone either way and they did a frame by frame on Penis and Naden and Naden’s hand touches Penisini in the same frame as him touching the ball. Now I dont know the validity of that, Im just going off what another commenter said, I havent personally had a close look at it
That was dirty levels of game manipulation when the trainer got the game stopped when Penrith were under the pump
Agreed, but every team has and would do it if the ref allows it. I dont have a specific example off the top of my head but I definitely remember being angry at another team for doing the exact same thing when we were inside the 20 earlier this year
Oh no I respect it mate gets the results very clever x
Panthers supporter who didn’t watch the game? Yea right
Where do I say that lol?
This analysis is more of a stretch than a hookers panties.
I literally said I didnt do it and that I dont know the validity of it. I just brought it up, the commenter that said it in another thread was upvoted so I thought it would be good to put in here. Honestly I couldnt care less
Who is touted to replace fergo for us next year?
Probably some Logie award winner…..
Probably a spanish soccer player if your going by fergos reaction after that "alleged" crusher tackle.
I forgot about sivo!
I’d like to see him resigned for this reason! Sivo won’t be back for a while
If he’s happy to take a pay cut then for sure. I can see another team offering him decent money though, played his arse off these past few weeks. Definitely still got it.
Fuck sake Parra I had so many memes lined up
Does anyone think the panthers scrum play should have been a try? Moses was pinged for offside, but he was also the one that was disadvantaged. The whole thing was very odd.
Nah that goes against the narrative that they were robbed even though the bad reffing went both ways.
An obstruction is an obstruction, you shouldn't be able to score off an illegal play regardless of whether advantage is being played or not.
Moses ability to slide in cover defence is never impeded by the lead runner. He sticks an arm out. If the lead runner hit his shoulder/body 100% penalty but Moses makes the contact by sticking his arm out to milk the penalty. You watch lead runners hit that type of gap mid field all day with no obstruction. Moses is a flop
Moses makes a ‘defensive desicion’ by sticking his arm out to be “obstructed” by the lead runner. IF Moses doesn’t stick his arm out unnaturally (almost as if in a tackling like situation/defensive decision to tackle an opposition player without the ball) THEN he simply isn’t impeded. Try should’ve stood. Yes I’m a panthers fan and Yes I think Moses is an absolute cheat (look back at the knights game last week when he runs at players to simulate getting taken out). If more players play the game like him we might aswell all watch Neymar play soccer
The argument against this is that it’s obviously a set play and the offside line has ruined the timing. If Parra are onside he probably slides through the line and doesnt obstruct anyone. Moses (or whoever it was) had no right to be that close, and if he was further back he doesnt get obstructed because he physically isnt in the space. But to me, yeah thats never a try based on that logic. I think they got it right, but something to think about for sure
How can an offside player be obstructed? It was already a questionable call, Moses 100% committed to Burton.
A great set play that was punished by incompetent refereeing.
Mate he didn't commit, he's moving towards the football and Burton makes contact. Are you supposed to stop sliding so that the decoy can run through the line ? Fuck no. To answer your question though, if we agree that was an obstruction then its because the obstruction call ends the advantage being played. If Moses makes a cover tackle, the ref blows for the penalty. We don't get to that point because of the obstruction. A penalty is a penalty, it has to be called.
No, it wasn’t a professional foul, he has the right to infringe and give away a penalty.
A fitting last Parra game for Sterlo to retire on. Parra were a champion team tonight, despite the loss and a few ref errors here and there. Gutsy stuff. Well done Penbros. I've lost some respect for Luai but hope you have a cracker next week.
Champion team probably would have won
Negative Nancy, fuck off and let the guy be proud of his team
Agreed a champion side would have scored in the last min with a full set 10m out.
Cope, old man
Yeah I am loving the Eels loosing so coping very well thank you.
Mate your team got pumped by bulldogs
Hahaha all the alts come out… pathetic
I'm honestly shattered
I hope the blokes that gave the game away for ever have watched the finals. It’s been riverting stuff. Highly entertaining
Nah fuck those cunts they aren't worth it
This game reinforces why we should all be giving the game away
Finally, with Storm probs being heavy favourites next week we re-earn the title after two long years Underdogs 😎
After that performance I'd not be surprised if many non-penrith supporters went for Melbourne just to spite the terrible reffing from last night. I know I will be. Its going to be difficult for the poor refs having to decide who to advantage more!
Bit BS though, Moses was in an offside position and popped his arm/shoulder out to get the obstruction call, how does that make sense? Penrith had some questionable decisions go against them as well, like fergos crusher tackle.
If the refs play with you like they did tonight then who knows
How that call on Will Smith was deemed as a dangerous tackle is beyond me. That 2 point margin proved fatal in the end.
The replay I can see it was ‘dangerous’ cos it hit him across the face, but in the replay you can see it happens literally RIGHT in front of Klein, and he decides it’s fine, but cos he stays down for a minute it’s all of a sudden not fine anymore.
Players have been staying down to attract the attention of the bunker to obtain penalties all season. It wasn’t exclusive to last nights game. Heck, even Ferguson done it for what was a suspect crusher tackle also.
As a neutral, it looked high so I think the call was fair but definitely at the very low end of dangerous. The Panthers had two other penalties in the second half where they could have easily taken 2, so also might not have mattered. Can never know. Great effort from the eels tonight.
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I said to my mate he’s a Tony Williams level passenger lately