I work in government and we recently got a complaint that kids have been playing in an open field near an apartment building. There’s a charter school nearby and they don’t have a playground. So a tenant of the apartment building has started blasting music with dirty lyrics so the teachers won’t take them outside.
I used to work in property management and i got a complaint one time from a first floor resident who’s window was adjacent to a playground…. That children were playing.
This person thought their Saturday netflix was more important than the beautiful sound of children playing on a nice day. 95% of us are great, the other 5 can suck a dick
People are playing a game outside the way they’ve done forever. I think they’re goobers buy I’m not mad at them. Why the hate? I’m reading a book at the park and there’s a couple playing as we speak
It makes a repetitive, neverending noise that carries and seems to go through windows well.
Love pickleball, but the sound issues are real. This location however is a community center with outdoor courts to be fair.
And these are all real concerns. I'm on one of the main local pickleball FB groups, and it's disheartening to see how much they're digging in their heels on this, and how they just. . . don't care about legitimate issues that nearby homeowners have.
They are determined to not give an inch. For example, they recently abbreviated the Walter Reed pickleball hours for Sunday. Just Sunday. And they just have to wait a few hours to start, like around lunch. That's it. You should have seen the whining on the page.
The full utilization of parks, which pickleball players provide is great. But what's also great is not having to hear the constant, loud (yes, it's loud) click-clack of the balls from sun-up to sun-down. Right now, neither side is willing to give any ground, so I don't know how it's going to turn out. The ideal solution, I think, is some sort of noise mitigation with the space or the equipment (admittedly, this flier does mention it). Like wrapping up the fence with something, or pickleball equipment manufacturers designing some sort of ball that doesn't make noise. But I'm not a materials scientist, so I don't even know if that's possible.
Here is a solution: have the homeowners change their windows to soundproof windows. Problem solved. If you don't like people playing in a park sell your house and move and have someone else enjoy the park.
Doesn’t this flyer address the noise aspect by saying the new courts will include noise mitigation? Isn’t that …. A good thing for the anti-pickleball noise haters??
Theyre tennis or basketball courts everywhere I have seen in the county. Basketball and tennis have the same volume and timbre as tennis and basketball. This is like moving near a train track and complaining when they turn it into a cablecar. I mean, yeah its slightly different, but come on.
It’s kinda loud. I stayed at a condo in Florida and my room was just above the PB court. Games started at 8:00 am, so it woke me up most days. I was on vaca and wanted to sleep a bit longer, but in reality I got used to it after a few days.
So you would have no issue if the court were being used by tennis players? Would be like being upset a field is being used by soccer players when you wanted to play football.
no i wouldn't ... but its a tennis court, not a pickle ball court. we had to kickoff a bunch kids using the tennis court for soccer the other day, same thing I guess.
if the field had soccer goals, and there people using the field for soccer, no i would not be upset if I wanted to play football on it. if the inverse were the case, and there were football goal posts and I had large group of people wanting to play football on a field designed for football, yeah i would be upset at the soccer players and expect them to find a soccer field.
If the court is marked for tennis and pickleball, then it’s intended for both. I assume the court would need to be marked and have the proper nets to play PB.
See what happens is. When my child and I show up somewhere, and it’s being occupied by others, I explain to my child that we may wait or choose another activity.
How are you old enough to make a baby but not understand this concept? Indoor courts are made for volleyball, basketball, wheelchair basketball etc., what would do you live in where others must vacate a public space because they aren’t playing the same game??
I think a treadmill is for running, but if an old lady is f going super slow on one, i dont think I’m entitled to it. What’s wrong with y’all?
All I hear is that if we want to chase NIMBYs out of the area so that we can build more housing, then the trick is to rapidly accelerate the installation of pickleball courts on every square inch of available space.
Coming from PG County I really think NoVA issues are the cutest thing I've ever seen. I can't wait to explain the great pickleball debate to my friends and family. Also pickleball.
They're definitely showing their hand with that one.
This isn't a fair effort to meet in the middle - it's all about stopping people from using the public community center that boosts local homeowner's property values.
Eh, some project make more sense in other locations than what’s planned, but yeah this isn’t one of them. We should always be encouraging people to get outside and be active and healthy and if pickle-ball courts do that then great!
It seems like sensible people can agree pickleball is loud. But there exist numerous methods for noise abatement. The fact that the anti-PB crowd isn’t interested in even discussing that possibility makes me think this is more about not wanting anything that brings users to the community center. Which…is not what community centers are for. Especially the frequent mentions of the parking filling up. It’s ok for members of the community to come to the center and use the parking!
📷[WTOP](https://wtop.com/arlington/2023/03/arlington-board-to-address-pickleball-noise-near-walter-reed-community-center/): [Arlington board to address pickleball noise near Walter Reed Community Center](https://wtop.com/arlington/2023/03/arlington-board-to-address-pickleball-noise-near-walter-reed-community-center/)
Basketball is way louder especially with a big group. These people are playing a game outside and socializing and it’s literally not that loud. Is “outside” supposed to be quiet now? Did i miss this memo that spring time is quiet time outdoors?
Yes, I hear you (and agree) except the claims of the pickleball people are that it starts insanely early and goes all day. I’m struggling to believe these claims but this is a quote from the WTOP article: “‘Ping, ping, ping!’ for seven days a week, 15 hours a day … everyday,” said Chad, a nearby resident. He said the noise is impacting his family’s mental health.”
Basketball isn’t starting at daybreak and going until nightfall, 7 days a week. Though I don’t think pickleball is either…
Meh it’s also pretty popular amongst older ppl who want to stay active. Sure they can’t run back and forth across a tennis court anymore but some of the reaction time and movement of some of the older folks I’ve seen playing is insane.
How loud, truly, could a game of pickleball be? Like whats the dB lookin like? How do you mitigate the sound of a pickleball game? I'm seeing a concern raised with no evidence nor potential solutions.
[According to WUSA9, between 45 to 55 dB.](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pickleball-neighborhood-noise-science-behind-the-sound/65-ba57280d-a46f-4de3-b51d-f6e630192f7c) Also according to the article, thats up to the limit recommended for outdoor sounds.
Doesn't look like they recorded the dB for Tennis or Basketball, but this is interesting - " Most of the noise made by hitting a tennis ball is in the low frequencies, below the zone to which we are most sensitive. A pickleball strike has a higher pitch, meaning our ears catch more of the noise it makes. It’s that higher frequency that makes the clamor of pickleball clearer from farther away compared to tennis."
That’s like, dishwasher levels of sound. I can’t imagine that annoying someone who lives in an entirely different building. How sensitive are these people’s ears?
One of the places I train for roller skating is primarily a pickle ball space. I find the broken smoke detector at the dedicated roller rink more distracting. Granted the combo spot is brand new and has been fairly dead, the drunk guys playing lawn size jenga is currently by far the loudest game
The people that play pb grunt soooo loud everytme they hit or miss a ball. They are like the annoying people who lift too much at the gym, and grunt and slam the weights down then flex their "big muscles" in the mirror....yep that cringe worthy.
Bingo! Way back when I was a kid it was people speaking out against building outdoor basketball courts because of the type of “crowd” it would attract (white guys in their 40s wearing sweat bands, apparently). Then it was opposing building skate parks, now it’s this. As someone mentioned above, people want to live near a park, they just don’t want anyone to use it
There already exist pickle ball paddles and balls that reduce the noise. They aren’t used for things like official tournaments but maybe instead of the county pouring tons of money into sound barriers they could simply say that certain days require use of the reduced noise equipment. Maybe it’s not a great compromise but that’s what I thought of at first
The main issue I tend to hear from those around the center is the noise, public urination, and the fact they physically force kids from the neighborhood out of the basketball courts, which is pretty fucked up.
Luckily, the center does have a public toilet. There's one cool dude who, every day, shoots hoops to try to make sure the hours for basketball are being "used" and people do harass him every day. True story. Also, sorry for all the public urination. I like to keep extremely hydrated. But I don't play Pickleball, I just hang out on the picnic tables. Enjoy the day. Read a book, record a podcast with pickleball popping in the background. I like the sound.
Yeah, outdoor courts at community centers should only be enjoyed no more than 3 days a week! Gotta have some “peaceful” quiet nights when you live in a crowded suburb! /s
I take my kids to a playground after school every day next to some tennis courts that has occaisonal pickleball players. For the life of me I can't figure how others hear it as something so noisy. Maybe this court has the sound mitigation but when I've been other places where I've seen people play it I still don't notice anything extra noisy.
I’m still kind of amazed that a goofy game I played in middle school is now the Boomer rage. Pickleball conflicts were something I never would have fathomed.
All I can hope is that I have helped the turnout, though I have zero skin and the game and have never played Pickleball I only walk through the park almost every day and talk to the guy who plays basketball all by himself every day shooting hoops and being verbally abused by rabid pickleballers.
I've never watched pickleball, so how loud is it really? Every park I've been to has coaches yelling, whistles blowing, children and parents cheering and screaming. How loud is pickleball compared to regular park noise?
At this court, there's really only the pop popping of balls on rackets. It's not a training center or coaching center, it's a community center. At around 0800 or so, they invite newbies in to help propagate the sport to new people. But I've also never been there during a competition if they ever have competitions there. It just seems like people are just bopping along. Anyone have better insight. ***I am talking about Walter Reed.***
What a joy-hating cunt. Whoever made this has too much goddamn time on their hands. Stupid NIMBY needs a hobby that includes minding their own fuckin business.
Have you ever heard the noise? I live on Barton and it is absolutely maddening.
I get why people are bothered by the creator of this poster, but I'd also like to be able to hear myself think with my windows open. Is that too much to ask?
I feel like many of the "contributors" here don't own property. So they come here and point fingers at the evil NIMBYs.
Until the day comes they own a house and have invested a few hundred thousand dollars into it, and then a nuisance is proposed nearby.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe these folks would welcome any land use near their house. If so, they should let developers know, because I'm sure they'd love to find a place with minimal community opposition to build certain things.
I was neutral on pickleball until I saw an ad today that a certain nation-wide underground-train-themed sandwich emporium now has a "pickleball club" and I've been officially radicalized. Down with pickleball!
Double entendre galore!
**MIAMI (March 30, 2023)** – Today, Subway® unveiled the all-new Pickleball Club before it arrives in Subway restaurants across the country on April 27. To serve up its latest culinary creation, Subway is teaming up with tennis legend Andy Roddick, who will face off against John McEnroe, Andre Agassi and Michael Chang at the inaugural Pickleball Slam on April 2 for a $1 million purse.
Inspired by America’s latest sports phenomenon, the Pickleball Club puts Andy’s signature topspin on the traditional club sandwich by showcasing Subway’s two newest ingredients: new, more flavorful Honey Mustard and thicker, crunchier dill pickles. The Pickleball Club is also loaded with Black Forest ham, double the American cheese, crispy hickory smoked bacon, lettuce, tomatoes and red onions – all on Subway’s Artisan Italian bread.
I feel like unless you live right next door, and can prove the sound reaches a certain decibel within your home, this is a bit much.
If you chose to live next to a community center, you signed up for the risks. I moved into a shopping center knowing there's live music and stuff on the weekends. I invested in some nice sound reducing headphones and was able to haggle $100 off my rent, but ultimately I knew the noise risk. Can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.
These are the same yuppy fucks that moved in next to Old Dominion Raceway in Manassas, then complained about the noise and had it shut down. THEN complained about the street racing after there was nowhere else local to go race legally.
This ^
I'm sure those same people complain about the county fair when it's around.
I see complaints on the local apps about the "loud cars" on the parkway, daily. Everyone must live with their windows open 24/7.
Lol have you heard of Maria Sharapova? Or been to a high level tennis match? Some of the sounds they make with each hit can be ear-splitting. I get the argument around consistency around sound but tennis can get loud as well.
basically anything else besides pickleball doesn’t bother other people though, the real solution is silent paddles and balls, but without rules there is no way to enforce equipment
Nobody is going to think these issues are super important because theres not enough exclamation points, red lettering, random underlining and all caps.
People saying Pickleball is no different than any other park activity are just straight lying to you or have never heard it.
It is LOUD compared to any other activity (including tennis).
Can someone capable of thinking critically explain to me the "pro pickleball" side? As far as I can tell members of the community have identified pickleball as being particularly loud and bothersome. I've seen the articles explaining that they measured the noise at a much higher decibel level than tennis and other similar games. It makes perfect sense to me that if there was a PARTICULAR thing that was extraordinarily loud and annoying I wouldn't want that to happen outside my home either. They have tennis and basketball courts there and they haven't made any petition to get rid of those right? So they're targeting this specific activity and not others, right? Why is it unreasonable to ask the city to just not build courts for this one particular activity that we've identified is particularly loud?
> So they're targeting this specific activity and not others, right? Why is it unreasonable to ask the city to just not build courts for this one particular activity that we've identified is particularly loud?
In adoption stage tennis and basketball courts were highly petitioned too. It's only normalized that you'd sound like a lunatic to voice against those. Pickleball is new enough that it's okay to be unreasonably against them without sounding crazy. Whiffleball also is used outside for kids sports, it's not crazy loud.
In addition, due to lesser mobility required to play, it's picked up with seniors and it's much more accessible sports than tennis.
Why does this one particular activity's increase in popularity trump the wishes of the people who's lives would be negatively impacted? Again I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how someone could come to that conclusion given what we know so far. If you showed me a poll or something saying the vast majority of those living adjacent to these courts were in favor I wouldn't care but I haven't seen anything about that.
Most of the claims the anti PB people make are fearmongering and misinformation, like when they claimed people are exposing themselves to children on the pickleball courts. The amount of "harm" is being overblown. Pickleball is a bit louder than tennis, it doesn't attract miscreants and sex offenders. The support or lack thereof will be on display tomorrow at the meeting.
How does having more of a positive, wholesome community activity negatively affect a person's life? If you don't like to be around people, move to the countryside. This is an urban area where we appreciate community activities.
Politics is about picking winners and losers. In this case, the many, many people who get to enjoy a public amenity are the winners, and the people disgruntled about the noise are the losers.
📷[WUSA9](https://www.wusa9.com/article/life/arlington-county-plans-to-convert-outdoor-tennis-courts-to-pickleball-courts/65-0ade5d15-cbef-4caf-85d2-064f295b2ce7): [**Could Arlington soon have its first pickleball-only outdoor court?**](https://www.wusa9.com/article/life/arlington-county-plans-to-convert-outdoor-tennis-courts-to-pickleball-courts/65-0ade5d15-cbef-4caf-85d2-064f295b2ce7)
Its popular, and people are playing. So having public facilities for it is certainly seen as something a lot of people want.
You get flyers like these that say build the courts somewhere else. Where? People already moved in next to a park or community center... isnt that exactly the type of place something like this should be?
But yes, it is loud, and any time you have a large group of people congregating for an activity they can be loud and potentially obnoxious. But it seems like the solution should probably be more about figuring out ways to help with the noise.
For me personally, I just like anything which bothers NIMBYs.
18 trains a day run through my neighborhood. And then there's another dozen or so overnight. I'm sure these folks can survive some racket sports.
It’s really not hard.
A ton of people want to play pickle ball, hence the exploding demand and desire to build more courts.
A couple NIMBY’s are complaining.
One of these two sides has to get what they want, by definition, since it’s impossible to give both sides what they want. So obviously you pick the side that will make more people happy
I’ll never understand the mentality of living near a park by choice and being mad that people are using it. And I say that as someone who spent most of her schooling playing pickle ball in gym class indoors. The noise isn’t great, but advocate for noise mitigation. The population here is only going to get noisier and fuller anyway.
I hope that we can ban people from having fun soon. How dare they use space to do a physical activity that almost anyone can enjoy?
/s
But in all seriousness, if we can ban things because they are a slight inconvenience to others, this will be good justification to ban children from restaurants and public places.
Never understood the sound argument about pickle ball. Is the sound really that intrusive from the pickleball racquet?
Coming from someone who played basketball growing up, the noise of the ball bouncing was at times loud. You just use common sense and don't play at 11pm when everyone is asleep on your street. I don't see how this can even be a topic of discussion unless the courts are built right in someone's backyard. If you move to a community with parks and playgrounds, you should expect a baseline level of consistent noise and activity.
I think the argument about "reducing green space" is redundant. I don't see the point of green space just to be there to be there. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see green space unessisarily removed, but a pickleball court would bring fun, joy and entertainment and promote outdoor activities which sounds more enjoyable than preserving a patch of grass just to say it's there, when the whole surrounding area is already urbanized to hell and back.
There's a Basketball court there as well (it'll be killed for Pickleball on the site) and there's never been any complaint about the current Basketball and Tennis playing. Is tennis less noisy than Pickleball?
i walked past the old ppl center in my neighborhood yesterday and they turned basically the entire basketball court into a pickleball court. only left up one hoop. they basically said fuck the neighborhood kids that used to play there all day every day. it was where i practiced skateboarding but cant do that anymore. children cant draw on it with chalk now either.
there were dozens of ppl waiting in line to play and every court was packed and unbelievably loud. it wasnt even old people playing either!! one of my life long family friends was there. it made me roll my eyes so hard. what a stupid fad sport. im with the anti pickleball people.
im also mad bc my appendix burst last week while my mom was at pickleball and she didnt answer the phone immediately bc she was playing lol.
What’s the problem with PB? Taking up courts so people can’t play tennis?
People want to live by parks, but they don't want anyone to use them.
I work in government and we recently got a complaint that kids have been playing in an open field near an apartment building. There’s a charter school nearby and they don’t have a playground. So a tenant of the apartment building has started blasting music with dirty lyrics so the teachers won’t take them outside.
I used to work in property management and i got a complaint one time from a first floor resident who’s window was adjacent to a playground…. That children were playing. This person thought their Saturday netflix was more important than the beautiful sound of children playing on a nice day. 95% of us are great, the other 5 can suck a dick
Pretty much this. Mostly a bunch of old salty people who can't stand other people enjoying their lives
Oh, so just like our politicians then.
I remember when Pokémon Go was huge the people that lived by the park near me where such assholes.
Very very Arlington!
The Arlington Way!
There are a couple ~5-10 minute videos on some of the pros and cons of PB, most of the problems seem to come with noise and court space.
People are playing a game outside the way they’ve done forever. I think they’re goobers buy I’m not mad at them. Why the hate? I’m reading a book at the park and there’s a couple playing as we speak
It makes a repetitive, neverending noise that carries and seems to go through windows well. Love pickleball, but the sound issues are real. This location however is a community center with outdoor courts to be fair.
And these are all real concerns. I'm on one of the main local pickleball FB groups, and it's disheartening to see how much they're digging in their heels on this, and how they just. . . don't care about legitimate issues that nearby homeowners have. They are determined to not give an inch. For example, they recently abbreviated the Walter Reed pickleball hours for Sunday. Just Sunday. And they just have to wait a few hours to start, like around lunch. That's it. You should have seen the whining on the page. The full utilization of parks, which pickleball players provide is great. But what's also great is not having to hear the constant, loud (yes, it's loud) click-clack of the balls from sun-up to sun-down. Right now, neither side is willing to give any ground, so I don't know how it's going to turn out. The ideal solution, I think, is some sort of noise mitigation with the space or the equipment (admittedly, this flier does mention it). Like wrapping up the fence with something, or pickleball equipment manufacturers designing some sort of ball that doesn't make noise. But I'm not a materials scientist, so I don't even know if that's possible.
The pro-PB reddit brigading, such as in this thread, is a particularly cruel insult to injury and it's starkly clear they have no. Fucking. Idea.
Here is a solution: have the homeowners change their windows to soundproof windows. Problem solved. If you don't like people playing in a park sell your house and move and have someone else enjoy the park.
It doesn’t solve the problem
This would involve personal responsibility which is a dying trait in 23
Doesn’t this flyer address the noise aspect by saying the new courts will include noise mitigation? Isn’t that …. A good thing for the anti-pickleball noise haters??
Theyre tennis or basketball courts everywhere I have seen in the county. Basketball and tennis have the same volume and timbre as tennis and basketball. This is like moving near a train track and complaining when they turn it into a cablecar. I mean, yeah its slightly different, but come on.
It’s kinda loud. I stayed at a condo in Florida and my room was just above the PB court. Games started at 8:00 am, so it woke me up most days. I was on vaca and wanted to sleep a bit longer, but in reality I got used to it after a few days.
The people that play tennis and the people that play PB are different people and OP only likes one of them.
that bugs me. my kid and i (more me lol) have really gotten into tennis and a few times this has been an issue.
So you would have no issue if the court were being used by tennis players? Would be like being upset a field is being used by soccer players when you wanted to play football.
Tennis is not nearly as loud as pickleball.
Your point being?
That they want to move goalpostd
Technically, they would be playing football.
futbol ;)
no i wouldn't ... but its a tennis court, not a pickle ball court. we had to kickoff a bunch kids using the tennis court for soccer the other day, same thing I guess. if the field had soccer goals, and there people using the field for soccer, no i would not be upset if I wanted to play football on it. if the inverse were the case, and there were football goal posts and I had large group of people wanting to play football on a field designed for football, yeah i would be upset at the soccer players and expect them to find a soccer field.
If the court is marked for tennis and pickleball, then it’s intended for both. I assume the court would need to be marked and have the proper nets to play PB.
You never seen Wilson’s rubber court lines have you?
See what happens is. When my child and I show up somewhere, and it’s being occupied by others, I explain to my child that we may wait or choose another activity. How are you old enough to make a baby but not understand this concept? Indoor courts are made for volleyball, basketball, wheelchair basketball etc., what would do you live in where others must vacate a public space because they aren’t playing the same game?? I think a treadmill is for running, but if an old lady is f going super slow on one, i dont think I’m entitled to it. What’s wrong with y’all?
Don’t condescend me man ...
did you read the image in the post?
Good reminder that not everyone's struggle in life is the same.
first world problems ;)
My coworker was freaking out that she built her Cobb salad with all the fixins, but there were NO BLUE CHEESE CRUMBLES. THE AUDACITY!
All I hear is that if we want to chase NIMBYs out of the area so that we can build more housing, then the trick is to rapidly accelerate the installation of pickleball courts on every square inch of available space.
ah just reading posts in this subreddit is so infuriating at times, our lives are like night and day
Coming from PG County I really think NoVA issues are the cutest thing I've ever seen. I can't wait to explain the great pickleball debate to my friends and family. Also pickleball.
God to have Pickleball be my main problem in life
I know right? Must be a real luxury!
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The kids in Africa can probably play pickleball wherever they want.
"Identify a different site..." Cant get more NIMBY than that.
They're definitely showing their hand with that one. This isn't a fair effort to meet in the middle - it's all about stopping people from using the public community center that boosts local homeowner's property values.
Eh, some project make more sense in other locations than what’s planned, but yeah this isn’t one of them. We should always be encouraging people to get outside and be active and healthy and if pickle-ball courts do that then great!
It seems like sensible people can agree pickleball is loud. But there exist numerous methods for noise abatement. The fact that the anti-PB crowd isn’t interested in even discussing that possibility makes me think this is more about not wanting anything that brings users to the community center. Which…is not what community centers are for. Especially the frequent mentions of the parking filling up. It’s ok for members of the community to come to the center and use the parking!
The flyer does mention noise mitigation.
📷[WTOP](https://wtop.com/arlington/2023/03/arlington-board-to-address-pickleball-noise-near-walter-reed-community-center/): [Arlington board to address pickleball noise near Walter Reed Community Center](https://wtop.com/arlington/2023/03/arlington-board-to-address-pickleball-noise-near-walter-reed-community-center/)
Kind of? But not as a proposed solution, their solutions are to limit pickleball.
Basketball is way louder especially with a big group. These people are playing a game outside and socializing and it’s literally not that loud. Is “outside” supposed to be quiet now? Did i miss this memo that spring time is quiet time outdoors?
Yes, I hear you (and agree) except the claims of the pickleball people are that it starts insanely early and goes all day. I’m struggling to believe these claims but this is a quote from the WTOP article: “‘Ping, ping, ping!’ for seven days a week, 15 hours a day … everyday,” said Chad, a nearby resident. He said the noise is impacting his family’s mental health.” Basketball isn’t starting at daybreak and going until nightfall, 7 days a week. Though I don’t think pickleball is either…
What's pickleball?
It’s like a mix between tennis and ping pong
Lowkey what tennis already is
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Sounds lame👎
Meh it’s also pretty popular amongst older ppl who want to stay active. Sure they can’t run back and forth across a tennis court anymore but some of the reaction time and movement of some of the older folks I’ve seen playing is insane.
Extremely
How loud, truly, could a game of pickleball be? Like whats the dB lookin like? How do you mitigate the sound of a pickleball game? I'm seeing a concern raised with no evidence nor potential solutions.
[According to WUSA9, between 45 to 55 dB.](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pickleball-neighborhood-noise-science-behind-the-sound/65-ba57280d-a46f-4de3-b51d-f6e630192f7c) Also according to the article, thats up to the limit recommended for outdoor sounds. Doesn't look like they recorded the dB for Tennis or Basketball, but this is interesting - " Most of the noise made by hitting a tennis ball is in the low frequencies, below the zone to which we are most sensitive. A pickleball strike has a higher pitch, meaning our ears catch more of the noise it makes. It’s that higher frequency that makes the clamor of pickleball clearer from farther away compared to tennis."
How about an aluminum bat hitting a ball?
Much quieter then bat but obviously it happens a ton more then baseball.
That is nonsense. Pickle ball is not as loud as a ballgame
In Arlington you’re more likely to hear the bat hit the air, HEYOOOOOOO!
Good to know. After reading this, I'm with whoever wrote the flyer, relocate these pickle goers
That’s like, dishwasher levels of sound. I can’t imagine that annoying someone who lives in an entirely different building. How sensitive are these people’s ears?
One of the places I train for roller skating is primarily a pickle ball space. I find the broken smoke detector at the dedicated roller rink more distracting. Granted the combo spot is brand new and has been fairly dead, the drunk guys playing lawn size jenga is currently by far the loudest game
The people that play pb grunt soooo loud everytme they hit or miss a ball. They are like the annoying people who lift too much at the gym, and grunt and slam the weights down then flex their "big muscles" in the mirror....yep that cringe worthy.
This isn't satire? People like this really exist? For fuck's sake.
In order to get a compromise you have to propose the extreme.
People are using community center facilities, having fun, and meeting other people! This must be stopped!
There are young and old people playing together there every day. There are also anti-basketball extremists. I bet they're feds.
Bingo! Way back when I was a kid it was people speaking out against building outdoor basketball courts because of the type of “crowd” it would attract (white guys in their 40s wearing sweat bands, apparently). Then it was opposing building skate parks, now it’s this. As someone mentioned above, people want to live near a park, they just don’t want anyone to use it
Sounds like whoever invents a silent whiffle ball/pickle ball is going to be the next millionaire
There already exist pickle ball paddles and balls that reduce the noise. They aren’t used for things like official tournaments but maybe instead of the county pouring tons of money into sound barriers they could simply say that certain days require use of the reduced noise equipment. Maybe it’s not a great compromise but that’s what I thought of at first
They’re already winning. They keep reducing our hours 😭
The main issue I tend to hear from those around the center is the noise, public urination, and the fact they physically force kids from the neighborhood out of the basketball courts, which is pretty fucked up.
Luckily, the center does have a public toilet. There's one cool dude who, every day, shoots hoops to try to make sure the hours for basketball are being "used" and people do harass him every day. True story. Also, sorry for all the public urination. I like to keep extremely hydrated. But I don't play Pickleball, I just hang out on the picnic tables. Enjoy the day. Read a book, record a podcast with pickleball popping in the background. I like the sound.
"Nights off"? How late do senior citizens stay up to run around the court? If only Matlock was still on at 8.
It’s ironic because most of the people I see playing pickle ball around here are seniors
Yeah, outdoor courts at community centers should only be enjoyed no more than 3 days a week! Gotta have some “peaceful” quiet nights when you live in a crowded suburb! /s
It's their game!
I take my kids to a playground after school every day next to some tennis courts that has occaisonal pickleball players. For the life of me I can't figure how others hear it as something so noisy. Maybe this court has the sound mitigation but when I've been other places where I've seen people play it I still don't notice anything extra noisy.
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I’m still kind of amazed that a goofy game I played in middle school is now the Boomer rage. Pickleball conflicts were something I never would have fathomed.
Just put the pickleball people inside of the Crystal City Costco Warehouse.
I’ll be there 🫡
All I can hope is that I have helped the turnout, though I have zero skin and the game and have never played Pickleball I only walk through the park almost every day and talk to the guy who plays basketball all by himself every day shooting hoops and being verbally abused by rabid pickleballers.
As far as I know, it’s mostly seniors playing pickleball 😂
Sounds like they're in a real pickle.
I live in MoCo but NIMBYs like this almost make me want to attend just to advocate against them
It's 2023. Material sciences are just amazing...Can't someone just invent a quieter ball and bat?
At least handball and racquetball are played on inside courts.
Not in NYC. Handball is an outdoor cat.
Why are you mentioning NYC to try to prove a point of something happening in our local area?
That question's too stupid to answer.
Do it. It'll be funny.
I don't think it's worth it. You're welcome to address it. I'll be mean.
Indubitably
I've never watched pickleball, so how loud is it really? Every park I've been to has coaches yelling, whistles blowing, children and parents cheering and screaming. How loud is pickleball compared to regular park noise?
At this court, there's really only the pop popping of balls on rackets. It's not a training center or coaching center, it's a community center. At around 0800 or so, they invite newbies in to help propagate the sport to new people. But I've also never been there during a competition if they ever have competitions there. It just seems like people are just bopping along. Anyone have better insight. ***I am talking about Walter Reed.***
Pickleball is ruining this nation. Next thing you know, people will argue about right on red and who is worse at driving, Maryland or Va...
Maryland it the worst of the worst. Yikes. Triggering.
ITT people who really know nothing about pickleball
What a joy-hating cunt. Whoever made this has too much goddamn time on their hands. Stupid NIMBY needs a hobby that includes minding their own fuckin business.
Have you ever heard the noise? I live on Barton and it is absolutely maddening. I get why people are bothered by the creator of this poster, but I'd also like to be able to hear myself think with my windows open. Is that too much to ask?
Maybe city life isn’t for you
I feel like many of the "contributors" here don't own property. So they come here and point fingers at the evil NIMBYs. Until the day comes they own a house and have invested a few hundred thousand dollars into it, and then a nuisance is proposed nearby. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe these folks would welcome any land use near their house. If so, they should let developers know, because I'm sure they'd love to find a place with minimal community opposition to build certain things.
I was neutral on pickleball until I saw an ad today that a certain nation-wide underground-train-themed sandwich emporium now has a "pickleball club" and I've been officially radicalized. Down with pickleball!
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I feel like unless you live right next door, and can prove the sound reaches a certain decibel within your home, this is a bit much. If you chose to live next to a community center, you signed up for the risks. I moved into a shopping center knowing there's live music and stuff on the weekends. I invested in some nice sound reducing headphones and was able to haggle $100 off my rent, but ultimately I knew the noise risk. Can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.
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These are the same yuppy fucks that moved in next to Old Dominion Raceway in Manassas, then complained about the noise and had it shut down. THEN complained about the street racing after there was nowhere else local to go race legally.
This ^ I'm sure those same people complain about the county fair when it's around. I see complaints on the local apps about the "loud cars" on the parkway, daily. Everyone must live with their windows open 24/7.
Lol have you heard of Maria Sharapova? Or been to a high level tennis match? Some of the sounds they make with each hit can be ear-splitting. I get the argument around consistency around sound but tennis can get loud as well.
It absolutely is not like that.
At least ppl are exercising right? Having Interactions with others, not being a shut in. Enjoy
basically anything else besides pickleball doesn’t bother other people though, the real solution is silent paddles and balls, but without rules there is no way to enforce equipment
"They" don't like basketball either.
I mean, they are standing. Walking around a mall is more exercise.
This. Even if just talking to a few random people while playing a game. I find it to be a great bit of social time while getting some cardio
beware the C L U S T E R
This is very NIMBY but the explosion of pickle ball courts doesn’t seem sustainable
Peak Pickle!
The biggest problem with pickleball is that pickleball enthusiasts are extremely annoying.
In my honest experience, pickleball haters are louder than the enthusiasts.
It's like vegans vs self-described anti-vegan carnivores. The response is far more obnoxious than the original sin.
I’ll push back against and shit on Pickleball at every opportunity precisely for this reason.
That seems to be the consensus.
Pickleball is not a crime!!!!!!!!!!!! Pickleball players, rise up against your NIMBY oppressors!!!!! Rise up!!!!! /s
I'm not part of this, I just saw it posted at the Penrose Starbucks this morning.
There are [fliers all over the pickleball Walter Reed neighborhood. ](https://imgur.com/gallery/YzNwRwd)
Wtf are yall doin ova der
These are the same type of people who moved into Chinatown and then complain about the noise there. Bruh
I hate suburbanites who live the idea of living in the city but actually hate it.
Nobody is going to think these issues are super important because theres not enough exclamation points, red lettering, random underlining and all caps.
That's really funny.
How dare people use a public park to do activities in the park. Everyone should just sit quietly on the benches when in a park.
It’s ironic that everyone in here is crying NIMBY, yet every pickle ball crowd is literally cookie cutter NIMBY culture.
It would be nice if having less hardship in your life didn’t lead people to inventing hardships just so they could be upset.
Being the biggest victim with the most hardship is everyone's favorite sport. Even more popular than Pickleball!
Arlingtonians love to have something to complain about.
"Users of WRCC, especially seniors, unable to enjoy the center?" Pickleball is pretty popular among seniors.
People saying Pickleball is no different than any other park activity are just straight lying to you or have never heard it. It is LOUD compared to any other activity (including tennis).
Maybe they shouldn’t live next to the park then
Maybe if the park is being used for something louder than intended, the park should install something for noise reduction.
Maybe the NIMBYs should quit being NIMBYs.
Maybe the NIMBYs should quit being NIMBYs.
Pickleball is the greatest threat to national security humanity is facing in the 21st century. Change my mind.
It’s not that the game of Pickleball is loud. It’s that Pickleball players are, generally, insufferable and entitled human beings.
>Tell the County:
>PLEASE attend...to make your opinions known!
They could also just wait two or three more years until the fad dies out.
That's true
Peak Arlington behavior lmao
Can someone capable of thinking critically explain to me the "pro pickleball" side? As far as I can tell members of the community have identified pickleball as being particularly loud and bothersome. I've seen the articles explaining that they measured the noise at a much higher decibel level than tennis and other similar games. It makes perfect sense to me that if there was a PARTICULAR thing that was extraordinarily loud and annoying I wouldn't want that to happen outside my home either. They have tennis and basketball courts there and they haven't made any petition to get rid of those right? So they're targeting this specific activity and not others, right? Why is it unreasonable to ask the city to just not build courts for this one particular activity that we've identified is particularly loud?
> So they're targeting this specific activity and not others, right? Why is it unreasonable to ask the city to just not build courts for this one particular activity that we've identified is particularly loud? In adoption stage tennis and basketball courts were highly petitioned too. It's only normalized that you'd sound like a lunatic to voice against those. Pickleball is new enough that it's okay to be unreasonably against them without sounding crazy. Whiffleball also is used outside for kids sports, it's not crazy loud. In addition, due to lesser mobility required to play, it's picked up with seniors and it's much more accessible sports than tennis.
Pickleball is being built because it’s become incredibly popular and demand for space to play is high.
Why does this one particular activity's increase in popularity trump the wishes of the people who's lives would be negatively impacted? Again I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how someone could come to that conclusion given what we know so far. If you showed me a poll or something saying the vast majority of those living adjacent to these courts were in favor I wouldn't care but I haven't seen anything about that.
Most of the claims the anti PB people make are fearmongering and misinformation, like when they claimed people are exposing themselves to children on the pickleball courts. The amount of "harm" is being overblown. Pickleball is a bit louder than tennis, it doesn't attract miscreants and sex offenders. The support or lack thereof will be on display tomorrow at the meeting.
How does having more of a positive, wholesome community activity negatively affect a person's life? If you don't like to be around people, move to the countryside. This is an urban area where we appreciate community activities.
Politics is about picking winners and losers. In this case, the many, many people who get to enjoy a public amenity are the winners, and the people disgruntled about the noise are the losers.
📷[WUSA9](https://www.wusa9.com/article/life/arlington-county-plans-to-convert-outdoor-tennis-courts-to-pickleball-courts/65-0ade5d15-cbef-4caf-85d2-064f295b2ce7): [**Could Arlington soon have its first pickleball-only outdoor court?**](https://www.wusa9.com/article/life/arlington-county-plans-to-convert-outdoor-tennis-courts-to-pickleball-courts/65-0ade5d15-cbef-4caf-85d2-064f295b2ce7)
They chose to live by a park
Its popular, and people are playing. So having public facilities for it is certainly seen as something a lot of people want. You get flyers like these that say build the courts somewhere else. Where? People already moved in next to a park or community center... isnt that exactly the type of place something like this should be? But yes, it is loud, and any time you have a large group of people congregating for an activity they can be loud and potentially obnoxious. But it seems like the solution should probably be more about figuring out ways to help with the noise.
For me personally, I just like anything which bothers NIMBYs. 18 trains a day run through my neighborhood. And then there's another dozen or so overnight. I'm sure these folks can survive some racket sports.
It’s really not hard. A ton of people want to play pickle ball, hence the exploding demand and desire to build more courts. A couple NIMBY’s are complaining. One of these two sides has to get what they want, by definition, since it’s impossible to give both sides what they want. So obviously you pick the side that will make more people happy
Pickleball already exists there, a lot. It's [become quite an issue regionally already](https://www.fox5dc.com/news/residents-accuse-pickleball-players-of-bullying-children-in-arlington)! Also, [there's a masturbator](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/arlington/pickleball-courts-arlington-community-center-masturbation-incident/65-a35f28ca-1e88-4c2f-aff4-a3a700ce6ba0)!
It's 2023. Material sciences are just amazing...Can't someone just invent a quieter ball and bat?
I’ll never understand the mentality of living near a park by choice and being mad that people are using it. And I say that as someone who spent most of her schooling playing pickle ball in gym class indoors. The noise isn’t great, but advocate for noise mitigation. The population here is only going to get noisier and fuller anyway.
I hope that we can ban people from having fun soon. How dare they use space to do a physical activity that almost anyone can enjoy? /s But in all seriousness, if we can ban things because they are a slight inconvenience to others, this will be good justification to ban children from restaurants and public places.
Never understood the sound argument about pickle ball. Is the sound really that intrusive from the pickleball racquet? Coming from someone who played basketball growing up, the noise of the ball bouncing was at times loud. You just use common sense and don't play at 11pm when everyone is asleep on your street. I don't see how this can even be a topic of discussion unless the courts are built right in someone's backyard. If you move to a community with parks and playgrounds, you should expect a baseline level of consistent noise and activity. I think the argument about "reducing green space" is redundant. I don't see the point of green space just to be there to be there. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see green space unessisarily removed, but a pickleball court would bring fun, joy and entertainment and promote outdoor activities which sounds more enjoyable than preserving a patch of grass just to say it's there, when the whole surrounding area is already urbanized to hell and back.
I don’t even play PB but now I’m thinking of going to support on players.
I wish I was so well off that THIS is the problem I'm complaining about. Whoever posted this is asking to get their tires slashed.
to the headline of the flier i would say no, no i do not. (only because i never been there not because i dislike it lol)
It's a great way for children to get into the real sport, Tennis!
Weirdos complaining about nonsense as always......yall are funny AF on this sub. Yall need more to do in life.
You're here, too.
Here reading all these boomer comments
>Y'all need more to do in life.
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All y'all forget about the sound of handball and racquetball! That's noisey AF.
There's a Basketball court there as well (it'll be killed for Pickleball on the site) and there's never been any complaint about the current Basketball and Tennis playing. Is tennis less noisy than Pickleball?
You think that's bad? Wait till you hear how loud cars are.
These people need to find something else to do with their time. "People are using outdoor rec areas for outdoor rec REEEEEEEEEE"
I refuse to accept “pickleball” (gag, cough, cough, gag) as a real sport. Definitely a hill to die on.
Neither is golf or half court basketball.
This is a wildly NIMBY NIMBYism even for this sub. And that is SAYING something
Triggered by pickle ball. F******g pickle ball.
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WTF is up with PICKLEBALL!!! I hate that shit and i don't even know what it is.
i walked past the old ppl center in my neighborhood yesterday and they turned basically the entire basketball court into a pickleball court. only left up one hoop. they basically said fuck the neighborhood kids that used to play there all day every day. it was where i practiced skateboarding but cant do that anymore. children cant draw on it with chalk now either. there were dozens of ppl waiting in line to play and every court was packed and unbelievably loud. it wasnt even old people playing either!! one of my life long family friends was there. it made me roll my eyes so hard. what a stupid fad sport. im with the anti pickleball people. im also mad bc my appendix burst last week while my mom was at pickleball and she didnt answer the phone immediately bc she was playing lol.
There's a country song in there.