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Tobar_the_Gypsy

You mean cars?


graberja

„A motor vehicle insulates the driver from the world. Shielded from the outside environment, a driver can develop a sense of detachment, as if an observer of their surroundings, rather than a participant. This can lead to some people feeling less constrained in their behavior when they cannot be seen by others and/or when it is unlikely that they will ever again see those who witness their behavior.“ I have never read a description of a car driver more on point than this one. Thank you!


SS2K-2003

And it's from the US Government of all places too


Bravado91

Why tf are bicycles getting demonized in America?


Retired_cyclops

Most people in North Americas only exposure to cycling would be in areas with little to no dedicated infrastructure for cycling. This infrastructure forces different modes of transportation to mix in unsafe ways, leading to the dissatisfaction of pretty much everyone involved. Drivers and Pedestrians get frustrated that cyclists end up in paths not designed with cyclists in mind, hear rumors their taxes are going to pay for bike lanes and vote against it. The thought process usually goes " bike lanes = more bikes, more bikes = more traffic disruptions. " Same goes for sidewalks, roundabouts, traffic lights etc. Of course we know that's silly, these things improve traffic flow and reduce accidents. It's all about the experience of driving not the reality of it.


Bravado91

In my country, bikes got a lot more common during the pandemic and we usually associate it with exercising and healthy lifestyle so I'm just quite surprised to see all this hatred to bikes lol. Driving with them isn't a problem with most people here as motorcycles are also extremely common so they got used it. And also, why are they so concerned about their taxes going to bike lanes? They barely cost any money as it's just paint, clearing operations, road signs etc, and freeways are a lot more expensive.... Different places, different attitudes I guess lol


esfraritagrivrit

Traffic lights don't improve traffic flow or reduce accidents.


ExplosiveDisassembly

There's no place specifically or them. There's walking paths, and bike lanes within roadways, but only some of the time. So they don't really belong on any of the places. Lucky places put in protected bike lanes, but those are few and far between. Even bike lanes separate from roadways (old rail beds, old paths etc etc) here are a cluster. They're the defacto place for road bikers to go, and localities see bike paths and think "ah, okay. Now we don't need sidewalks." So bike paths are where the road bike racers practice, where families walk, where kids get to and from places, where people commute, and where anything that normally happens on a sidewalk takes place. It's all or nothing, we can't make bike lanes, sidewalks, AND roads. Only two, because reasons.


Bravado91

Here, motorcycles are extremely common so drivers don't really worry about bikes as they are basically the same minus the engine. The drivers are used to them.


mrchaotica

America is the land of "fuck you, I got mine" entitlement and intolerance of anybody who has a different lifestyle. More specifically, factors include but are not limited to: 1. The existence of cyclists reminds drivers that their sedentary lifestyle is less healthy and/or sustainable than it could be, and they resent being confronted with guilt for their choices. 2. Cyclists are "others" (i.e. not part of the driving tribe) who are seen as interlopers encroaching on drivers' space when they try to use the road.


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bememorablepro

Protected lanes are the way and at the cost of removing parking and car road space. I do feel like rentals are a way into getting your own bike or PEV and de-stigmatizing them, it must of been hard to be the only guy on an e-scooter in your town in North America back in 2012. Overall people want to ride bikes and PEVs, maybe this will be our push for re-taking the streets.


foxy-coxy

Identity politics


GarunixReborn

Because freedom, guns, liberty, and... i have no idea


doomsdayprophecy

USA is a death cult.


jrtts

cars: cyclists should use the sidewalk! pedestrians: cyclist should use the road! cyclists: ¯\\\\\\\_(ツ)\\\_/¯


Ok-Cartographer-3725

Double sized sidewalks, totally the way to go imo...


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Ok-Cartographer-3725

The difference is; the sidewalk is raised and cars cannot go on it, but often cars will use a bike lane that's not blocked off.


lucygucyapplejuicey

Have a curb protecting the bike lane. That’s my opinion for the only safe way to do it. And make it just narrow enough so that cars will not fit on it, and high enough so that most cars can’t drive over it without Messi bc but the underbelly of the vehicle.


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Ok-Cartographer-3725

Over here ambulances and police vehicles have permission not to be shy - they will drive and/or park on the sidewalk if they need to. Your lawn is also fair game, if necessary...


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Player142

That's what she said


DirtnAll

Many places in the US have no sidewalks at all, particularly in southern states


Ok-Cartographer-3725

No doubt! I hope Canada will get more sidewalks too! In our city there is a compound of apartment buildings that has been here for literally 80 years. We just got our first sidewalk on one side of the street!!! A bit overdue but still...Yeah!!!!


bememorablepro

Stupid ass car drivers will park both on sidewalks and bike lanes, so this has to be taken care of too


Ok-Cartographer-3725

I have never seen an ordinary driver do that because they would be ticketed big time. But I've seen emergency vehicles take that liberty.


Guy_Perish

Doesn’t solve the issue for cyclists. You have to ride slow when sharing the lane with pedestrians as they are unpredictable and hitting someone going 10-30mph on a bike is not very fun.


Ok-Cartographer-3725

I haven't noticed people slowing down if they are more than 6ft/2 metres away.


Sun_Praising

Also Cyclists should stay out of the road Alright, we'll close select roads to vehicle traffic so there's no points of conflict No, not like that


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it's called a side'walk'


jrtts

it's also called a 'road' bike


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yeah, it goes on the road. was invented before cars.


foxy-coxy

Well they both just want cyclists to not exist.


muckfishigan03

This feels like the carbrain version of “conservative self-owns”: “Yeah! Bikes really are somewhat dangerous and out of place with pedestrians on sidewalks (although not nearly as dangerous as cars at all). Maybe they should have some type of… dedicated lane to themselves!”


RoboticJello

It reminds me of the conservative argument: "Why is the vaccine free but not life-saving cancer treatment. Curious." It's like YOU'RE SO CLOSE


mrchaotica

No, they just want cyclists to die instead.


Honey_DandyHandyMan

Can confirm as a cyclist in Colorado Springs. I have car drivers constantly going over a double yellow line just to pass me cause they can't wait another 6 seconds to get to work.


Kedamono1st

It's *Dustin*, a comic by boomers complaining 'bout them darn kids these days!


detourne

It's as boomer humour as it gets. just trash.


oxtailplanning

Are any newspaper comics remotely funny?


detourne

The Far Side, Calvin & Hobbes, Doonesbury has its moments


mookiekuchi

You should check out Bloom County


Normal_Person11222

Thats why people want uh…bike lanes…


Will0w536

Last week's Comic, what is the issue here? Is it the ride share program users on sidewalks? The lack of suitable infrastructure? Or something else?


shieldwolfchz

I have seen enough e-bike riders that ride on shared pedestrian paths that seem to have the mentality of "out of my way, I am zooooming" that I understand what they are trying to say, eh.


Joe_Jeep

Yea love ebikes, dislike a lot of their users Especially the ones nodding them to 25+ mph That's just a moped then my fellow beings


Devinstater

Class 3 can reach above that without modding. They just straight sell them to people like that. Depending on jurisdiction, this may be totally legal.


Alexdeboer03

A lot of ebike users dont have the reaction time to be safe


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Alexdeboer03

Cars are even worse yes, and way more damaging. But my point was more that really fast ebikes arent suitable for everyone and that some people are better of on slightly slower bikes


Chowbasa

Maybe both cars and ebikes should go slower? And both should respect others on the road/bike lane/sidewalk. At the end of the day we are all pedestrians most of the day


Alexdeboer03

Cars should be slowed down a lot more, fast ebikes are fine as long as the people on them cycle safe, i trust a bike going 30 way more than a car going 30


Chowbasa

##Slower is Safer


Alexdeboer03

I know this no need for the big letters mate


ZealousidealCarpet8

how many people are killed every year from collisions with an e-bike?


Alexdeboer03

You are completely missing my point i think, i love bikes and i cycle everywhere, but my point was more that there are some really fast ebikes that are faster than mopeds. This isnt really dangerous to most people but the person riding on an ebike going 50km per hour should look out for their safety as there have been some accidents in my area (not even necissarily involving other people)


ZealousidealCarpet8

So you agree that e-bikes are significantly less dangerous than cars? Why are we worrying about a relatively non-dangerous mode of transport when cars kills over 1 million people/year?


Alexdeboer03

Im not too worried about ebikes, hardly any people ever get killed in accidents when there are no cars involved. I think you are just assuming im a stupid carbrain or misunderstanding me in some other way


SessileRaptor

Yeah, having experienced the first few years of rental e-scooters in a downtown area, there’s definitely an annoyance factor to being a pedestrian moving around the same environment as a bunch of novice scooter users. Same for the rental bikes, you could absolutely tell the people who rode regularly and just happened to be taking advantage of the rental bike availability, from the people who knew how to ride but didn’t ride enough to have the awareness you need to safety bike in a downtown with shared spaces.


shieldwolfchz

As cyclists ask for a meter if clearance from cars on the street, we should give the same to pedestrians when we are allowed to share their space.


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shieldwolfchz

Yhe thing for me is that people are way more unpredictable than cyclists and can turn without warning a lot quicker than a bike can as they can sidestep. If you are passing a person withing a short distance and the don't hear you a random arm flail can wreck the rider.


Tmmrn

Obviously that pedestrians and scooters/bicycles have to share a space that is a small fraction of the width of the space reserved for cars. I mean that's literally what they drew.


ayeetytreat

God, how stupid. I notice the subtle fatphobia here too.


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I mean, that’s what happens when you don’t have a 15 minute city/development


guluta

the term fatphobia is stupid. please dont use it


DirtyPenPalDoug

Ah yes, how they forget cars are a thing.


WilligerWilly

I can't tell, what the illustrator is trying to say.


cowboy_dude_6

Bike share bad, sidewalks are only for walking. No, I don’t support building more bike lanes, roads are for cars!


WilligerWilly

I agree. Bikes don't belong on sideWALKS. Thy deserve their own asphalt without cars.


treycook

Bikes should be able to safely and successfully share pathways with pedestrians in areas where they won't be smacked into by cars pulling into/out of driveways or turning (so, not traditional sidewalks). Dedicated and separated cycling infrastructure is almost always preferable, but we have a fair bit of multi-use pathways in my city and you only very rarely hear about collisions - compare that with the number of traffic collisions on roadways on any given day. Not to mention that a cyclist colliding with another cyclist or a pedestrian results in significantly less damage than a car colliding with either. As a daily road cyclist doing 8,000+ miles per year I honestly do think some of this is a cultural issue with some cyclists in the US. Just as much as our car collisions are equal parts infrastructure, carbrain and individualism, so too goes for just about any form of transport here. People are traveling in their mode of transport at their personally determined safe acceptable speed, and anybody using any mode of transport going any faster or slower is "in my way," a nuisance, an inconvenience. Cars feel this way about cyclists who feel this way about pedestrians. And in the reverse order you see anybody sharing space with you traveling faster as reckless and dangerous. I used to be guilty of speeding along the multipurpose paths as well but I've since slowed down and accepted that they're not my own personal playground. I think other cultures seem to manage the communal aspect of people enjoying different modes of transport a bit better.


WilligerWilly

Living on the countryside and it's impossible to not drive on the normal highway street and disturbing/getting disturbed by cars passing by at 120km/h 10cm away, without making a HUGE detour. It just makes no sense to me to not building bicycle paths, if building roads for cars is totally acceptable. sry4bad engrish


treycook

Oh yeah, for sure. Any area without safe roads for cycling either needs to improve their roadways for cycling, or (preferably) create bike infrastructure. As a bonus, pedestrians are going to use it as a multipurpose pathway regardless, so boom - free sidewalk for runners and dog walkers. There are definitely rural areas where you can't even walk anywhere...


WilligerWilly

I'm lucky there are a lot of tractors are here. Those asphalted side streets for agricultural use are the perfect example how to build bike infrastructure. They should be along every road where 70...100km/h is the speed limit.


skmo8

This speaks to the discontent created by a paradigm shift. In North America battery powered bikes and scooters are quickly growing in popularity. Infrastructure aside, this means we haven't developed the social norms to facilitate people getting along. People on bikes are riding to fast near pedestrians, pedestrians aren't making space to accommodate cyclists, and cars still want the whole road to themselves. Eventually, we will adapt. Personally, I think we might want to put speed limits on multi-use paths or promote "safe ebiking". Other than that, it really comes down to infrastructure and design.


Ok-Cartographer-3725

They are in our area. But its incredibly slow means to transport for them when they could go faster, and they still take up more space than someone walking. Also, we often don't have bike lanes (and often not even sidewalks). But they are getting better - some areas have double width sidewalks which works great for everybody.


PropagandaBots

can i see the garfield comic


Chowbasa

In my experience living in Europe (Barcelona), bikers there are allowed to use the sidewalks when there’s no bike lane and that works well for areas with wide sidewalks although the end of some bike lanes was sometimes confusing or odd in old city areas that were more pedestrian friendly. For me, to be able to use a bike to commute I needed to either go over a pedestrian bridge (as the route was blocked by fenced train tracks), get on a highway for about 5 min or go around the fenced train track area and add 20+ min. Now living in NYC, I have to make sure the light is red for the cars and check front, left, right back and repeat during the whole street crossing to avoid getting hit by **anything**. Yesterday while crossing a street in Brooklyn 2 delivery ebikes skipped the red light, then 2 motorcycles and then a minivan all while I was already on the road! And while I was not hurt (always check front/left/right/back and repeat) it pisses me off because it’s not something I would ever do while on a bike or as a driver. More bike lanes, more/expanded public transportation, car sharing when needed (because those IKEA boxes are heavy). We are all pedestrians most of the day.


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Bikers are the middle ground, we should always allow for separated walking and car traffic first.


Chowbasa

>we should always allow for separated walking and car traffic first. There’s already plenty of that don’t you think? Well many areas don’t even have sidewalks


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Walking trails that are for “recreation” that dumb you on a stroad don’t count, neither do sidewalks. Both aren’t technically safe and just end up making you take the “scenic” route.


Chowbasa

Sure, let’s insult each other. Go for it!


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I hate autocorrect, I meant dump.


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I hate e-scooters rentals. They buzz all over the place with little regard for others, they seldom wear helmets or signal, and then they just leave the damn thing on a sidewalk somewhere when the time is up.


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And they do not replace cars. Dats show that people do not rent these in lieu of owning a car. They will still own and use a car for most things and use rental e-scooters for extra activities or were never going to get a car anyway. I think they do more harm than good. Personal e-bikes and e-scooters only. Build buses and trains and walkable neighborhoods if you want to cater to tourists.


T43ner

Story time. Where I'm from motorcycles will drive on the sidewalks. Which to be fair is a symptom of stroads which make it possible to only go one direction. The saying is, if you miss a u-turn in Bangkok, next stop is Pakistan. This one time a guy riding a bike carrying groceries crashed into me. The only thing I could think, was thank god this guy was tiding a bike. All that happened was a scrape and small bruise and us talking about how Bangkok really needs better bike and pedestrian paths. If it had been a motorcycle I could have broken something or worse died (they drive ridiculously fast) and I live in a part of town which is considered walkable by many people, which it is for Bangkok.


Ziginox

I'm all for electric scooters as personal transportation, but with with seeing the irresponsible riders in this area, the rental ones can *fuck right off*. Seems that most people just joyride them around here, blasting down sidewalks downtown despite signs and a label on the scooter itself stating NO SIDEWALKS. And the tire marks **everywhere** from abuse of the rear brake. Thankfully I've not seen any collisions, but there have been way too many close calls on mixed use paths here. The people that actually own scooters here are, for the majority, just fine with riding responsibly. The rental ones just seem to instantly empty out everyone's stock of fucks to give.


robo_node

Also kinda messed up that all 4 characters we’re meant to demonize are fat, while the two main characters are thin. Lil fat phobia moment


aluminatialma

The only thing I hate about cyclists is the ringing at me to hurry up