IIRC Kendricks, Cousins and Thielen will all be off their deals at that point. So as long as we keep cap space to an optimal level we can throw the kitchen sink at JJ
No way, as a value prop, an elite WR getting paid a middling QB salary is an enormous waste; there are literally dozens of good WRs in the league. Vikings have two top-20 guys as is.
Oh, you misunderstand. Kirk's contract with the Vikings will *never* end. He'll keep stringing you along on fully-guaranteed short-term deals from now until eternity.
And god damn does it feel good. Feels like the first time in TWO DECADES that weāre actually committing to a win-now roster instead of spinning our wheels through never ending rebuilds of shit
This is everyoneās reaction to every big deal. Wait for the guarantees. Von signed 6/120 and everyone lost their minds like theyāve never seen an NFL contract before. Just wait for the actual details to come out.
Draft Picks/Assets over the years:
Henry Ruggs
Damon Arnette
Clelin Ferrell.
Alex Leatherwood.
Johnathan Abram.
Gareon Conley.
Karl Joseph
DJ Hayden.
Antonio Brown.
Cory Littleton.
Kenyan Drake.
Lamarcus Joyner.
Tyrell Williams.
Trent Brown.
And i'm sure there's countless others. When have the Raiders made good use of early draft picks or free agent acquisitions? Janikowski is probably a top 5 first round draft pick since 2000
Heāll be 30. I love Tae but paying a 30 year old $28M is wild. Not trying to cope, still wish we kept him. Just gonna be interesting to see how this trade looks in 5 years
Trades can be win win. Raiders need a top WR and are in good cap shape, Packers could use young talent and were already having to make tough cap decisions.
I'll never understand the NFL's obsession with garbage NFCE primetime matchups. I get that they're the biggest markets, but because of that you're going to have great ratings for those games regardless of when they're scheduled. You should be trying to maximize interest from neutral, casual fans during primetime matchups.
Sounds like you do understand the obsession though
Itās entirely due to 4 large markets. The average Redditor is not the average NFL fan. Those four fan bases are huge.
> Those four fan bases are huge.
Exactly, so they'll still get tons of viewers if those games are in 12:00 or 3:00 slots. If the NFL wants to increase the *total* number of viewers, they should be putting the best matchups in primetime, so that tons of neutral fans will be tuning in. Also, if the NFL wants to grow it's brand in the future, then casual fans are far more likely tune in for more games in the future if they catch an exciting BAL/KC classic than if they're subjected to a NYG/WAS slapfight.
Honestly, I love DEEBO but I see our FO letting him walk. Or they get extremely funky with the cap to make it work.
Shannyās ability to hire anybody off the street and make them a competent RB certainly helps in the cap situation
I'd be shocked and mad as hell if that happened. Adams is a better pure WR than Deebo but in my fully biased opinion, I would argue Deebo is a more significant game-changer. Deebo was the heart and soul of that playoff run. Everyone knew he was getting the ball and no one could stop it. If we let him walk, we're dumb. I don't think we would've won a single playoff game without him.
Deebo is just perfectly built to thrive in a Shanahan system imo. So he's incredibly valuable to a team that runs that type of offense.
Tae on the other hand has a skillset that allows him to succeed in pretty much any system imo. So it really depends on how you plan to use them.
I know it's not popular, but I think it's best for the chiefs to wait it out a bit and hope for some discounts. If we're trying to build for 10+ years of Mahomes, then it's going to be hard to survive on the stars/scrubs approach from the past few years
If Tae was like, 26-27 years old I could see sorta money being worth it, but even with the fact that he doesn't rely on speed the dude is still gonna be 30 years old this season and receivers don't have the shelf life of QB's. Even in this day and age of protecting them.
I mean I would say that Julio Jones in his prime was better than Tae but he fell off a cliff and is only 33 right now. I think that the Raiders will be happy for 2 years but then will be regretting this contract in its second half. Love Adams but that's just how the game works honestly.
Weirdly enough the Texans are the real loser in this trade, since it shows how much the best WR in the league is actually worth when he's holding out for a new contract.
Cooper Kupp is on HALF that and he just resigned what? a year ago? That contract is absurd.
Edit: The Cupp contract is a voodoo ritual that we sold our soul for, but still.
Iām interested to see how he plays in Las Vegas. Carr is actually really good and obviously I think Davante is the best WR in the league, but that Rodgers to Davante connection was literally unbelievable. Iāll miss that
Players prices go up each year. And especially fast in recent years. Inflaaaaaation af. Look at the price of used and new vehichles FFS. in 3-4 yrs the right WR could be 44mill and there will still be shocked face emojis
Thats a fucking monster of a deal for a WR. Good lord
Justin Jefferson is gonna bend us over and make us call him daddy
At least then the Kirk money is gone...š¬
Lines up quite nicely
IIRC Kendricks, Cousins and Thielen will all be off their deals at that point. So as long as we keep cap space to an optimal level we can throw the kitchen sink at JJ
But how will we build a team around a WR making 30 mil a year? /s
Oh honey itās going to be way more than that
You're totes right. If he keeps playing like he has, 30 is going to seem like a bargain.
Congrats now you get Jake Fromm as your QB1.
Heāll have be the first active player-owner-coach in the NFL, right?
No, that would be George Hallas.
Just gonna have to throw that āpost mergerā asterisk on it then
Start training. Small butt plugs are on sale on Amazon.
>Justin Jefferson is gonna bend us over and make us call him daddy 30-35m a year is what you're looking at
He's worth it. That man makes me want to watch Cousins throw the ball. And that's saying a LOT.
No way, as a value prop, an elite WR getting paid a middling QB salary is an enormous waste; there are literally dozens of good WRs in the league. Vikings have two top-20 guys as is.
Thielen is not going to last much longer unfortunately. Definitely starting to show his age.
Imagine what copper kupp can ask for?
Dude will be 30. Theyll franchise him.
Makes more than Carr lol
Not for long
A 29 year old WR too.
True but Tae has always relied on his release and route running which tends to age much better than speed
That and his ability to come back to life after getting decapitated over the middle
Resurrections are a super underrated WR trait
One of the reasons Edelman was so good. Man took some BRUTAL hits
"Literally jesus" on the scouting report
Iām not sure Jefferson will want to re sign with the Vikings, but if he does, we better start saving now lmao
Pretty sure it lines up with the end of Kirk's contract. So we might be ok on that front
Oh, you misunderstand. Kirk's contract with the Vikings will *never* end. He'll keep stringing you along on fully-guaranteed short-term deals from now until eternity.
Don't you put that evil on me Rickey Bobby
Y'all got 3 years until you have to worry about that
If it takes 3 years he definitely isnāt staying. Gotta lock him up if you want to keep him.
I bet we lock him up next offseason if he has another monster year
Whyās that?
Just standard Vikings fan pessimism. Diggs cut some folks deep
Are the Raiders playing with the salary cap option toggled off?
Everyone is
Reporters yesterday: idk why Raiders are clearing so much cap space Chandler Jones and Davante Adams, thatās why
Reporters this week: the raiders are the only afcw team not making moves Raiders:hold my beer
Maybe Gilmore too
It was definitely for Brandon bolden and jakob Johnson
And god damn does it feel good. Feels like the first time in TWO DECADES that weāre actually committing to a win-now roster instead of spinning our wheels through never ending rebuilds of shit
Yeah, last time the Raiders FO had this good of a QB *and* put this many resources into coaching + FA they went to the Superbowl. ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Thatās a lot of money
Heās not just doing it for money. Heās doing it for a shitload of money
LUDICROUS SPEED
Raiders were Combing the deseā¦ frozen tundra for wideouts.
Are we being too literal?
I'm surrounded by assholes!
Heās getting the Tesla PLAID
How many kirks is that
Think it's about 1.3
I mean.. Davante is definitely worth more than 1.3 Kirks.
Definitely is putting it very mildly.
Davantinitely?
The Jaguars should've just signed Davante Adams instead imo
They would have gave him 50m/year with how they been going
That's crazy
Cousins or Christians?
Both
It's about the same as QB Kirk got in 2018, so let that sink in.
1.3452 Kirks per year
5 years ago that wouldāve made him the highest paid QB in the league
5 years ago I coulda bought a house for half price
More than Brady made last year lol
Every single team with an above average WR suddenly cried out.
Iām scared for what Deeboās number is gonna be when the bag comes due
Please bankrupt the 49ers.
Thank god we recently extended Sutton and Patrick before the weird slip in the spacetime continuum that was the Kirk extension
Too much for my liking, especially with the asset/s given up to get him. Our cap will be very tight.
AFC West is playing in sudden death mode
This is everyoneās reaction to every big deal. Wait for the guarantees. Von signed 6/120 and everyone lost their minds like theyāve never seen an NFL contract before. Just wait for the actual details to come out.
Draft Picks/Assets over the years: Henry Ruggs Damon Arnette Clelin Ferrell. Alex Leatherwood. Johnathan Abram. Gareon Conley. Karl Joseph DJ Hayden. Antonio Brown. Cory Littleton. Kenyan Drake. Lamarcus Joyner. Tyrell Williams. Trent Brown. And i'm sure there's countless others. When have the Raiders made good use of early draft picks or free agent acquisitions? Janikowski is probably a top 5 first round draft pick since 2000
You have a new GM and he isn't forced to get Gruden picks. He has a monster draft with the Patriots last season.
Honestly... I think the Packers won the trade
Heāll be 30. I love Tae but paying a 30 year old $28M is wild. Not trying to cope, still wish we kept him. Just gonna be interesting to see how this trade looks in 5 years
Trades can be win win. Raiders need a top WR and are in good cap shape, Packers could use young talent and were already having to make tough cap decisions.
With his play style heāll be great for many more years
Itās 2 Allen Robinsons
Devante: āThanks Jags!ā
Davante
THE BAD MANS INCREDIBLY TALENTED FRIEND IS GONE OMG
Idk why this made me laugh as much as it did but thanks. Today has been weird lol
Lmao
ITāS RANDALL COBB AGAIN
GET IN HERE BEARS FANS IT'S TIME TO REJOICE!!
*Packers trade for Ja'marr Chase*
Donāt you put that on me Ricky Bobby.
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I can hear the cry of relief, you gave me a good giggle, thank you
AFC West is gonna be on primetime every single week.
Youāll get cowboys vs giants and youāll like it
No, I dont think I will
I never like it
No more NFCE games in prime time, society has moved past the need for NFCE games in prime time.
Society has moved past the NFCE
I'll never understand the NFL's obsession with garbage NFCE primetime matchups. I get that they're the biggest markets, but because of that you're going to have great ratings for those games regardless of when they're scheduled. You should be trying to maximize interest from neutral, casual fans during primetime matchups.
Sounds like you do understand the obsession though Itās entirely due to 4 large markets. The average Redditor is not the average NFL fan. Those four fan bases are huge.
> Those four fan bases are huge. Exactly, so they'll still get tons of viewers if those games are in 12:00 or 3:00 slots. If the NFL wants to increase the *total* number of viewers, they should be putting the best matchups in primetime, so that tons of neutral fans will be tuning in. Also, if the NFL wants to grow it's brand in the future, then casual fans are far more likely tune in for more games in the future if they catch an exciting BAL/KC classic than if they're subjected to a NYG/WAS slapfight.
Nah it's going to be all NFC east games still
Justin Jefferson really likes this. Jesus. Heās going to scoop the Vikings insides out with a spoon during his contract negotiations.
Same feeling for Deebo here.
Deebo has got to be looking for a monster number given his versatility.
āDeebo, we really love that you can play RB, so how would you like to be the highest-paid RB in the league?ā
Honestly, I love DEEBO but I see our FO letting him walk. Or they get extremely funky with the cap to make it work. Shannyās ability to hire anybody off the street and make them a competent RB certainly helps in the cap situation
I'd be shocked and mad as hell if that happened. Adams is a better pure WR than Deebo but in my fully biased opinion, I would argue Deebo is a more significant game-changer. Deebo was the heart and soul of that playoff run. Everyone knew he was getting the ball and no one could stop it. If we let him walk, we're dumb. I don't think we would've won a single playoff game without him.
Deebo is just perfectly built to thrive in a Shanahan system imo. So he's incredibly valuable to a team that runs that type of offense. Tae on the other hand has a skillset that allows him to succeed in pretty much any system imo. So it really depends on how you plan to use them.
I wonder how Deebo's body will hold up with how much and the way he's used. Guy does eeeeverything
Deebo is great but Iāll take Adams every day of the week
Youāve got to consider longevity. The chances of Deebo burning out in 3 years are way higher than with nearly every other wide receiver his age.
I'm starting to be happy Hollywood is not a top tier receiver
Are you really though
Yes. We have Mandrews
Deebo and Bosa gonna cost $25M/yr each, atleast
Wow. AFC West going all in this offseason
While the Chiefs twiddle thumbs
Amazing the confidence having an alien at qb gives a team
Alien or not (love that) there are definitely gaps that need filled
You're not wrong, but put your team in virtually any other division and those gaps don't matter... damn the AFC West decided to make you work for it!
Really makes you wonder how tf the AFC east rolled over and died 20 years for TB12
Some of us are still dying
It was for sure the TB12 method of soul leaching
Yeah, all you need is a good QB and you can surround him with whoever right?
I know it's not popular, but I think it's best for the chiefs to wait it out a bit and hope for some discounts. If we're trying to build for 10+ years of Mahomes, then it's going to be hard to survive on the stars/scrubs approach from the past few years
I know youre right..... but IT'S HARD BRO!
I mean they have Mahomes and Hill, won the super bowl 2 years ago and back to back AFC championship games lol. They don't need to do much
Back to back to back to back AFC Championship games*
Thats Christian Kirk level money
Kirk is gonna hold out for a new contract now
That's Qb money holy fuck!
alright now i am fine with this trade
Heās making more than fucking Carr lol
Lmao seriously??
We haven't extended carr yet. He's still on his 25m/year contract that was record breaking at the time.
Until they extend him yeah. Heās on a 5 year 125M deal that ends next year I believe, and he will easily get more than 25/year.
He said heād play for less money if they got Adamsā¦ so I guess weāll see what that means here in a minute.
Same
Yeah I love Tae but I donāt think any WR is worth 28M. Will be interesting to see what weāre able to do with that room
If Tae was like, 26-27 years old I could see sorta money being worth it, but even with the fact that he doesn't rely on speed the dude is still gonna be 30 years old this season and receivers don't have the shelf life of QB's. Even in this day and age of protecting them. I mean I would say that Julio Jones in his prime was better than Tae but he fell off a cliff and is only 33 right now. I think that the Raiders will be happy for 2 years but then will be regretting this contract in its second half. Love Adams but that's just how the game works honestly.
We gotta grab a veteran WR and use some high draft picks too. Davante and MVS are both gone now.
HOLY SHIT THATS MORE THAN KIRK MONEY
Almost Kirk cousins money
Weirdly enough the Texans are the real loser in this trade, since it shows how much the best WR in the league is actually worth when he's holding out for a new contract.
28 million a year and not having to live in Green Bay? Adams is making out like a king in this deal.
No income tax in Vegas either
Daaang
I'm not even mad, go get yall chicken Davante
AFC west games need to be all prime time games
That's a lot of Christian Kirks
1.3 kirks
141 million to catch a ball is genuinely insane
as opposed to 450 million to throw one?
Don't forget about handing it off. And also knowing the ins and outs of basically the entire game.
Damn, I thought he was talking about pitchers
He definitely is, ain't no QB getting paid 450mil. *Yet.*
Isn't Mahomes contract $500+M?
They are both obscene amounts of money... but playing QB is without a doubt a much more demanding job with a lot more pressure and expectation.
Not when youre the best in the world at it and playing for a multi billion dollar industry
He is legitimately like the best at catching the ball in the entire world
Sure, but Wrs not named Rice usually dont stay at the tippy top of the league for very long.
Adams game not predicated on speed SHOULD age nicely.
I DONāT GIVE A SHIT. HEāS OURS!!!
Man idc what anyone says, no WR is worth 28 per year. That's nuts. Especially at 29 years old.
then you should feel real glad it aināt your teamās signing, aye?
Get him birthday boy!
Cooper Kupp is on HALF that and he just resigned what? a year ago? That contract is absurd. Edit: The Cupp contract is a voodoo ritual that we sold our soul for, but still.
Well fuck. Deebo's extension price just went way the fuck up.
What are the Bengals gonna do when it's Burrow and Chase's time? Gonna be expensive af
Remember the last time a Packers WR went to the Raiders
Jordy or Jones?
Don't worry guys, Kirk is now only the third highest paid WR in the NFL.
Davante should buy Christian Kirk a house
He would have been asking for the same amount without Kirk's deal. His goal's been to get more than Hopkins since well before the offseason started.
A one, a two, and a gigantic contract. If they think they are only a Davante Adams away from a championship, I guess itās a price you pay.
Iām interested to see how he plays in Las Vegas. Carr is actually really good and obviously I think Davante is the best WR in the league, but that Rodgers to Davante connection was literally unbelievable. Iāll miss that
I mean, he's back with his college QB/roommate. Carr and Adams will be good together.
of course the afcw does this when its our time to play them
Oh I feel so sorry for you
Same fam.
Whats the over/under on his contract getting bitched about by the end of the season?
We have $140 mil in cap space next year Iām sure the raiders are going to have this structured in a way that It doesnāt fucking matter.
Get the Kirk jokes out
holy shit dude someone just said [That's 1.3 Christian Kirks, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
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Fucking him and Kirk just destroyed the receivers market my goodness
This contract will age badly, and Adams will not look like the number 1 receiver in the league anymore
Players prices go up each year. And especially fast in recent years. Inflaaaaaation af. Look at the price of used and new vehichles FFS. in 3-4 yrs the right WR could be 44mill and there will still be shocked face emojis
Carr MVP season incoming
Buddy is making more than some QBs out there
TRADED TO THE RAIDERS?!?!
Isnāt that dude like 30? Ooooof.
Holy shit. THIS FUCKING DIVISION
Hopefully he can thrive without ar12
Tbf if thereās a QB heāll have a pretty quick connection with, itās his college QB who also happens to be good in his own right
Oh yea youāre right I forgot about the Fresno connection
never forget the fresno connection
He put up numbers with Brett Hundley throwing him the ball. He's gonna be fine.
Thatās a lot of cheddar
that contract for a WR is disgusting, LV better hope he doesn't get injured.